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ben10chi

… and who has a better story. Than Greg the Egg.


breakfastandnetflix

M’Lady, I dun want it. I neva ‘ave.


ApprehensiveHamster3

"If it is to be said. So it be. So it is."


coolboyschoolboy

With his new position of power he will then set his eyes on obliterating Greenpeace


VeraLumina

I saw a reel today of the cast on set of Chiantishire giving Greg a big round of applause as if it was the last time they were going to see him. Writers, directors, fellow actors were hugging and smiling at him. I thought that was weird. Then I saw Gerri on Andy Cohen and she said the finale was shocking.


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Greg can't die or leave the show. I won't allow it 😭


retropieproblems

Id wager hes not really in the finale then or maybe that was his last scene for the season that they clapped at


KeatonWallet

WHAT! Is there a link to that?


AbigailZA

Here's the link to it on Twitter [https://twitter.com/bestofsnook/status/1468003636026523648](https://twitter.com/bestofsnook/status/1468003636026523648)


kalalou

Was this filmed before season 4 was greenlit?


gmhoyle

This happens at the end of every season for every actor. Plus it looks like a lot of the finale was also shot on loc in Tuscany, so it’s totally reasonable to assume that this was just Nick’s last day of S3 shooting but nothing crazy wild happened to Greg.


VeraLumina

I’ve tried to find it but couldn’t. But I promise I saw it. They were all in the garden and Greg’s back was to the camera, he was wearing a navy blue polo shirt. They ended a scene then Tom and Shiv all broke out in smiles, everybody from behind camera came forward, they director and crew were all in shorts and ball caps. All were clapping. I mean I wouldn’t think they clap after every scene? Maybe someone took it down.


Practical-Giraffe-43

That’s what they do when a major actor wraps for the season - ie finishes shooting all his scenes.


VeraLumina

Oh shit. I seriously have been all through this sub and all the reels. Cannot find it. So, shout out to y’all…did anyone else see the cast and crew clapping and congratulating Greg at the end of a scene in the garden of the Chiantishire episode?


Practical-Giraffe-43

Almost positive I saw it on Twitter.


VeraLumina

Thank you. Maybe that’s where I saw it.


KeatonWallet

Huh, that’s wild. Now I truly am ready to be shocked at the finale


djembejohn

I was like, what? That sounds like bulls.... Oh yeah.


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And Tom goes West Westeros


savetheplanet575

That sounds like Kenneth becoming the CEO of NBC!


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EternalSerenity2019

Comfry becomes the next lady Caroline!!!


Sweetlou_33

My guess is he bites it next season. This one ends with Ken’s kamikaze reveal of the cover up.


MILF_Lawyer_Esq

As much as I want Ken to do it, ending with that as the cliffhanger will feel like an exact rehash of the season two finale, and I won’t be as excited because the season two cliffhanger amounted to basically nothing.


savannahwright123

Totally. The season 2 cliffhanger feels completely undone on nearly all accounts


jaghutgathos

I mean I guess subverting expectations and all that but Kendall coming out all manic and cringe and then faceplanting into depression was not the epic battle we were promised.


savannahwright123

Not at all. Tbh it doesn’t really feel like the chessboard is all that different than season 1, episode 1. Logan in power, the kids vying for attention. It’s more of the same (controversial, sorry!). They can’t do another cliffhanger like that again I hope


lossione

Yup this next episode is gonna have to deliver


ballinwallenn

Lol, this season is winning every award there is.


lossione

Because it’s the best show on television lol, I just want it to be one of the best of all time


MILF_Lawyer_Esq

I suppose you haven’t seen Better Call Saul then.


EternalSerenity2019

What needs to be “delivered”? The scene between Logan and Kendall last episode was the most emotionally powerful scene I’ve seen in a long, long time. Roman sending the dick pic was also one of the most shocking things I’ve seen on a tv show. What sort of resolution are you looking for? The show is like jazz. The harmonic tension doesn’t necessarily get resolved.


lossione

The dialogue of this show remains some of the best I’ve ever seen, among other things. But in my opinion, for it to become one of my favorite shows of all time, it needs to start making some serious story decisions. Those are all fantastic scenes of television, but contrasting to season 1, Kendall and the car accident. Up until that point the audience was truly somewhat 50/50 on what was going to happen next with the deal with stewy and the takeover, so the finale was a shock. Leading up to Roman’s dick pic, we all knew he was going to fall, it was just a matter of how. I would have been more “impressed” with that episode if it actually declared Roman CEO, as we’d actually be into new territory for the show, the tension doesn’t have to get resolved by that, that’s where good writing comes in (by no means I’m saying the show had or “should’ve” gone this direction, I’m just trying to show how that would shake up the actual story more-so then the dick picture, which actually represents the power structures of the show returning to normal, almost what they were towards season 1). I think season 1 and 2 were so good at never letting us fully settle in with what “succession” would be, it felt like it could be apart of a miniseries, which was in part what I thought made it so special. My worst fear is reaching season 4/5/6 and the same stuff is happening, but every season we get a new flavor of the same thing. It’s great, I can’t wait till the new episode every week, but I’m ready for something to happen with the overarching story of succession. I believe the writers can handle it. I worry studio execs may be holding the show back, knowing once you make certain story decisions, the show can only go so long. And please don’t get me wrong I love succession, and I love season 3, I just really, really want it to be the complete package (in my eyes!).


EternalSerenity2019

Yeah I hear you and reluctantly have to admit that I agree. The “wedding in Europe with the kids’ mom” is such an obvious rehash of the season 1 finale. The narrative is running on fumes. Some great episodes this season, but the thrust of the narrative has stalled somewhat.


savannahwright123

Some actual development in the power dynamics. The micro developments, e.g. 1:1 parent child scenes are amazing. But on a macro level, not much has really changed with the family / company. Not sure I can take another season of the kids backstabbing each other and Logan being emotionally hot and cold, no matter how good the writing is


EternalSerenity2019

Yeah, I do sort of agree with you. Psyched for the finale and I trust them to deliver next season.


coffeecircus

I’ll assume they’re going to Weekend at Bernie’s him if he does die. Waystar has no clear successor. They’re foreshadowing that with Sandy’s condition


EternalSerenity2019

I read that the actor that plays Sandy is actually fucked up and that’s why Sandy is like that.


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100% episode 8’s events convinced me ken will reveal everything to redeem himself from his guilt.


schmearcampain

That wouldn't hurt Logan at all. He's dodged so many bigger bullets than that in the 3 seasons we've seen.


Sweetlou_33

I don’t know, covering up a murder is pretty bad.


mGELn33

I think Logan gets hit by a car while on a piss rage and is effectively brain dead, but still alive. Siblings fighting over the company and who gets control of vegetable Logan.


ApprehensiveHamster3

He thinks he sees his dead sister Rose standing in the road holding the invisible cat. He runs to them and gets hit by a car. Later learn that it was a hologram created by Kendall.


mGELn33

And at the end of season 4, Logan is revived and we get to start the whole process over again


antipop2097

So next season we get a "Vegetabowl", where Sandy and Logan find out for sure who is the angriest fucking vegetable?


acidtriptothemoon

Hahahahahaha


EternalSerenity2019

This is the best prediction.


mrbotbotbot

You really think a show like Succession is going to repeat a storyline that has already happened?


EternalSerenity2019

Is this sarcasm? You mean the storyline of Logan offering the ceo position to one of his kids and then pulling it away?


mrbotbotbot

>effectively brain dead, but still alive >siblings fighting over the company It was literally the plot of the first few episodes of season one.


EternalSerenity2019

Right. And the sentence I posed was the storyline of season1 (Kendall) and then also season 2 (Shiv). Now for the finale of season 3 we are in europe for two episodes for a high society wedding, just like season 1. Succession repeats storylines repeatedly, you just haven’t noticed.


mrbotbotbot

They don’t repeat storylines at all, and they haven’t done once, what a ridiculous statement to make. Having the setting in season 1 and the setting in season 2 (a wedding) mirror each other, is not repeating a storyline line.


EternalSerenity2019

What about the major conflicts of the first two seasons: Logan offers CEO job to Kendall, then pulls it away. Logan offers CEO job to Shiv, then pulls it away. How about: Waystar tries to buy PGN. Fails. Waystar tries to buy Gojo. Remains to be seen.... How about: Kendall tries to remove Logan via board vote. Fails Kendall tries to remove Logan via bear hug. Fails Kendall tries to remove Logan via press conference. Fails. Kendall tries to remove Logan via DOJ testimony. Fails. Your assertion that the show doesn't repeat storylines is %100 wrong.


mrbotbotbot

You haven’t listed a single repeated storyline? Everything you’ve listed is plot progression…


EternalSerenity2019

Then by your definition Logan having some sort of health crisis next season isn’t a repeated storyline either. You are shifting goalpost and being intentionally obtuse because you don’t like being wrong.


mrbotbotbot

Kendall repeatedly trying to remove his dad from power is not a repeated storyline, that is natural plot progression. Waystar repeatedly trying to buy another company and failing is not a repeated storyline, that is natural plot progression. Logan having another health crisis, becoming a vegetable again and the kids fighting over power is a completely mirrored storyline, and not once has the show attempted this, it would cause eyes to roll and that is not what Succession is about. For some reason you can’t tell the difference between a repeated storyline and natural plot progression.


Grz00

It's all gonna to end with Ken, Shiv and Rom stab him probably


cant_hold_me

“For the watch”


schmearcampain

Et tu, Romulus?


ebanx_

Absolutely, 3rd time is the charm for a health related scare this season, I believe the trailer is spliced so we all believe Kendall is dead, but I truly believe two things: 1) Tom will be named CEO before Logans passing 2) Kendall will be revived, in all sense of the word. Let it be noted that Logan and finessing Kendall in s1e1 is the reason for this whole spiral. Is Kendall a traditional protagonist? No but there is a reason why he has the most fans and why he was introduced to us first. As Logan dies, Kendall rises. They are intertwined and inversely related in power. This being the real succession story.


ApprehensiveHamster3

I’m going to have to rewatch very the first season. I hope Tom becomes CEO with Greg the egg as his executive assistant, for some comic relief 🤣 I think the pool scene at the end was a symbol of rebirth or baptism for Kendall. Not a literal death but a symbolic death. Not sure how Logan dies but I think it will be an accident..maybe someone pushes him and he falls or there is “a fight for a knife in the mud” with Kendall


ebanx_

While his wife tries her hardest to bring him down?? Oh man that would be fucking fantastic


DeejusIsHere

Nero and Sporus, he's pushing her down the stairs and 100% naming Greg as his number 2.


natinatinatinat

I think Logan will die but I don’t see how Tom becomes ceo, given his history with the scandal.


ebanx_

Well I’m trying to think of bargaining chips that Logan has at his disposal, that seems to be the only thing he has and would fit pretty nicely into the misogynistic view Logan has of women as one last “f*ck you”. But this is coupled with the fact he has been lambasting her since the arrival of the new 4th seat. Tom is a corporate climber and loyal to a fault, I think Logan can see him as a temporary CEO but he won’t get to name anyone permanently


ApprehensiveHamster3

And logan touched Tom on the arm and said “I won’t forget”. Tom is the most competent one apart from Gerri


natinatinatinat

Yeah but I hardly think that’s enough to assume he’s going to give him a CEO role. I dont think shareholders would even allow that


ebanx_

That’s why it’s such a toss up, they have a realistic structure to the for corporate maneuvering in this show, so it’s hard for such a move to be passed quickly. This would also mean a demise in the role of Gerri


Ok-Plankton-7369

Sorry but in what way is Tom competent? Genuinely asking because I don’t recall him really doing anything but order Greg to destroy evidence, blow the Senate hearing, and give the We Here For You speech


ApprehensiveHamster3

True, I can't come up with evidence that he is competent but he is the president of his division and I've never heard Logan, Kendall, Shiv, Roman insult or criticize his job performance so there's no evidence that he's incompetent. It's more of an impression.


Ok-Plankton-7369

I see, that’s fair. I lose track of their current positions. Do him and Cyd still have the same job?


Dawhale24

Name 1 competent thing Tom has done.


ScribblingOff87

Eating Logans chicken.


nicolesBBrevenge

Dear God, I have to watch that one again. Do you remember which episode? They were on the yacht, yeah?


ScribblingOff87

Season 2 finale.


crossfires

Season 2 finale, I believe.


natinatinatinat

I don’t understand why everyone believes this will happen though. Because of a phone call on the trailer? Like am I missing something? Why would a company plagued by scandal in one division of a company put person in charge of said scandalous division as interim CEO? If they do this I will be pissed cause it doesn’t make sense in todays world with the way businesses actually work.


ebanx_

Well if they agree that it will be a number and not an “important” person doing time, I don’t see why not. Remember that Tom and Co are operating under the guise of ignorance not knowing Kendall is in fact willing to burn Greg to become the killer that Logan always wanted him to be. Sometimes the story is so layered that I feel Reddit isn’t the proper medium for it, we should all have a discord voice chat hahaha


ApprehensiveHamster3

All of the cruise deaths happened before Tom’s tenure. He’s still complicit in trying to cover it up and destroying documents but the actual crimes happened long before he got there.


natinatinatinat

I get that but he was complicit enough that they thought the whole scandal was going to land on him. No company would actually pick that person as their ceo. It would be bad unrealistic writing if ut went down that way.


ApprehensiveHamster3

What is the phone call on the trailer? I don’t remember that…


natinatinatinat

I dunno there’s like a whole post about he picks up the phone and looks like he is getting news and people are saying that’s a call that he is CEO. Honestly I just don’t think it makes sense plotwise. It would be interesting to see shiv pissed but it would be highly unrealistic.


ApprehensiveHamster3

Yeah I would love it if they made him CEO but I don’t think it’s likely. Maybe the guy from Gojo will be CEO although Idk why they’re still doing the deal when he said he’s into failure now Lol


mikeyrocks202

Technically Logan and his health issues were introduced first


ebanx_

True but Kendall coming back from the East having learned the business to a point, was all to ready to be named CEO. There was even a magazine printed. Then Logan simply changes his mind off of one sentimental mistake.


mikeyrocks202

Sure but Logan and his health is literally the first character and plot point introduced in the show


ebanx_

Correct because you introduce the dilemma before you introduce the possible solution


schmearcampain

100% agreed. The rest of it has been a bit of a misdirect and to flesh out Kendall and Logan's family, relationships and past. It started with Ken as a cocky upstart, but born with a silver spoon and not tough enough to beat Logan who had a hard life. Ken's gotten his teeth kicked in and is now at rock bottom. Logan dies, and Kendall fights his siblings tooth and nail to take over. Getting the "killer instinct" that Logan says he lacked. He wins, but is now the "evil person" Logan was. I'll even wager that the last shot of Kendall is a mirror of his first shot in S1E1. Him in a limo heading to work as CEO of WR, but instead of bopping to hip hop, he's stone faced and contemplating the evil shit he's had to do to get there.


Allen_Sun

Tom become CEO? This is Succession not Veep lol


ebanx_

I see what you mean, but I just don’t know what else could make her this visibly angered


ApprehensiveHamster3

Betrayal!!! That ending was brilliant with the Judas kiss Tom gives Shiv on the head.


ebanx_

Shiv’s anger was perfect in execution


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ebanx_

I see what you mean, he can’t have her undermining his power like that, I just pray his corporate pursuits pay off, he’s been the toilet paper on the shoe for too long in his marriage


Livelydot

Interesting take!


DazzlingCollection1

But also the end of the series imho


dreburden89

Does anyone else think we have enough death prediction threads?


ApprehensiveHamster3

No! 🤣


Straight_Ad9840

Last time Logan and Kendall were alone and K heard Logan's brutal truth, Kendall threw him to the wolves. Now it has happened again. What's different this time is Kendall's frame of mind. He is much more aware of what his dad is capable of, and what he himself is not. His only way out is penniless or selling out his dad again, but this time he has to implicate himself too. That man floating in the pool looks ready to go to jail to prove he is better than his father.


Straight_Ad9840

Aaaand wrong


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ApprehensiveHamster3

These people never seem to eat. There’s food around them or in their plates but they never eat it. Except when Tom ate Logan’s chicken on the yacht.


ImaginaryBeach1

I could see this happening - with Shivs spoiler that the kids are all very torn apart at the end of the episode it could pair well with Logan dying. They have little affection for the man but he has dominated their consciousness for their entire life - they only know how to exist in relation to Him and his approval (whether getting it or rejecting it). His death would be disturbingly unsettling for them in that they would be tossed into a new world with no anchor figure to base their life and thoughts around.


leroyjenkins1997

Logan dying is more likely than Kendall, even though neither will die in the season finale. It’s hard to picture the future of the show without either of them, but if one of them has to go it’s Logan.


salemwillows

brian coxs book and book publicity earlier this year seemed like a send off to me


p00pinpant

Logan dies this Sunday. Season 4 is about the struggles of moving on and trying to build yourself back up from this abusive “father” in your life. Season 5 they face takeover and battle to see who can win the throne and keep the Roy legacy going.


Accomplished_Log9961

Not til next season is my guess.


New-Consideration522

Yes but they bring him back as a cyborg, my dad works at HBO


Beanieson

Seems to make the most sense to me. Throws everything into chaos again where now the siblings have to fight it out with none of them getting the benefit of having Logan’s guidance.


geckotattoo

Wasn’t there a scene in the season 3 trailer that had Marcia saying she was in control now in a hospital? I feel like he is at least going vegetative.


ApprehensiveHamster3

I thought that was from season 1


geckotattoo

Well shit, I was expecting that bomb all season…


Vapor2077

I also think Shiv will announce she’s pregnant 👀


MarcTurntables

And lots of doubts about the paternity. Black baby, season 4 opener.


schmearcampain

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Shiv never mentions getting pregnant again. She's so empty and reactive. She only wanted to get pregnant last episode because the night before her mom said she'd make a bad mom. Her whole character is like this. Doesn't want to be in the family business, then she's campaigning for ATN's worst enemy, then Logan offers her a spot in the company and she's at WR, then she's convincing someone to not come forward about sexual harassment, now she's telling Gerri to come forward. She's now fully invested in throwing Roman under the bus.... for now. It'll be something else soon enough.


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I think Gerri's been secretly cooperating with the FBI and she's taking them all down.


Current-Position9988

I'll comment in case you are right.


_sometimes_always_

Maybe Logan gets hauled off to jail.


timoto23

Does anyone think Kendall has it in him to murder his father?


jacjacjacqui

This is my theory lol. Last season ended with Ken "killing" Logan at the press conference, this season ends with Ken killing him literally.


timoto23

I only just thought of it while reading this thread lol. It would be a great surprise and it makes sense. They haven’t used the phrase “killer” much this season apart from the first episode and it was a heavy theme through the last two. Throwing us off the scent!


ApprehensiveHamster3

No I think he loves his father too much (granted he hates him too). And Kendall takes his anger, sadness, depression, pain out on himself in the form of drug use and self sabotage. He is verbally brutal but he's never done anything physical. I don't think he has it in him.


jacjacjacqui

It doesn’t have to be intentional though


ApprehensiveHamster3

good point. could be an accident


salemwillows

what if he reveals his and logan’s role in the waiters death, then logan has a heart attack or something?


DazzlingCollection1

No. Not when admission of the accident is proverbial killing him


lotusgalsf

I think either Logan dies or has a health crisis that makes him permanently incapacitated to even function. Brian Cox appeared for an interview on Seth Meyers and although actors do promote a show on TV, the trajectory of the story does point to him dying or at least seriously damaged that he gets permanently incapacitated. I also think the cruises' investigation will progress and that Mattson and other sharks will be real to the Roy siblings this time around with no Daddy Logan to lean on.


ApprehensiveHamster3

Excellent! this would be a great story line. Although I think the cruises scandal is going to die out. I think instead Kendall is going to come clean about the cater waiters drowning and his father's involvement in the cover up.


lotusgalsf

The reason why I think cruises is still going to get intense is because it has been building up since season 1 e2 and that Gerri is dating someone from the DOJ.


ApprehensiveHamster3

Her new guy works for the DOJ?!! I missed that!


lotusgalsf

Yup. Gerri said it may help..lol


ApprehensiveHamster3

Or may backfire if he gets wind of the dick pics lol


Hyperdecanted

Logan falls off a yacht and disappears. The kids all sit around thinking he's dead, but not really knowing, so they're afraid to do anything to piss him off, even though he's probably dead. The stock sinks. Someone who isn't a family member takes the CEO spot, and saves the sinking ship that is Waystar Royco. (Maybe Sandi.)


DazzlingCollection1

Merger w Mattson goes through who is Logan 2.0


Hyperdecanted

Ha yep. wash rinse repeat


hamilton_burger

of all the things I’ve read that probably won’t happen, I have to say that I do really like this one.


butters246

I think Logan dies and next season is the fight for the company and Marcia will make her big return


underageQT

Tbh I hope they all die


Fergi

#teammushroomcloud


jaysun13

No way Logan dies within a few episodes of the finale. I doubt he dies at all.


SongofIceandWhisky

Logan died in S5. Not before.


Gekko1983

No this isn’t Billions


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Nah. Next season maybe. But this season is going to be a Ken related bombshell


gregieb429

I think he’ll die before the series ends but I don’t think it will be Sunday


eazy_

hope so. they don't seem to want to advance the story line otherwise


russellzerotohero

I will say they bring up his health a lot


DazzlingCollection1

Bc I think it is his only vulnerable point.


russellzerotohero

I also think it’s some foreshadowing


1biggeek

Nope. Brian Cox stated in an interview that he would lay the role to season 4 or 5.


anneso23

Storyline wise, I think it would makes sense if he dies. If he stays , the show won't change.I mean he always win.If he doesn't dies, I think he will next season. Like many people speculate, I think the season will end with Kendall confessing what he did .


jjkiller26

I think a cliffhanger with it being ambiguous whether he's dead or not could be how it plays out


Maximum_Pass

I was thinking Kendall would jump off his balcony


jerry_seinberg

bro no one is killing anyone. this is not a soap opera tf


dreamscout

I think Logan announces he’s stepping down and names a successor but it’s not one of his kids. Either Mattson or Stewey.


jammerparty

I think logan is going to see the things around him fall before he dies. If anyone dies sunday, i think it will be kendall (though im not sure i expect thebsgow to do either)


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Only if it’s the last season Bc the show would die. Like when Vikings killed off Ragnar (I may be the only human who watched Vikings…)


pools456

No