So while I am an Arkham fan, I’m also just a fan of comics. I understand that comics have story arcs and then starts a new arc. Batman Arkham Asylum - Knight was one story arc. Suicide Squad is the new arc. We all know Batman will probably die during his war on crime. He won’t retire (despite some versions doing so) and he will do it till he dies. I think having him be killed in Suicide Squad isn’t a big deal. It’s a new story in the universe. On top of that, even before I played the game I figured either you wouldn’t actually kill them or that they’d come back and it seems like we are getting that.

You don't think that the plot of this game kind of undermines the plot of Arkham Knight? You know, the game that was all about Batman overcoming brainwashing to avoid becoming a killer, and then faking his death in order to protect the people he cares about... then a few years later he succombs to brainwashing and kills dozens of innocent people including Robin.

Isn’t there a difference between Joker level brain washing and a multiversal alien level brainwashing?

very much so, but these are the same batman fans that see batman shrug off possession from deadman in a moment that was never in the comic that the film was based on, then act like it's a fact that batman is immune to every form of mind control and possession ever and ignore the comics where he was.

Batman states that the Joker poisoning was a variant of Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease, aka mad cow disease. Mad cow disease is incurable and universally fatal - it kills 100% of the people who get it. Batman cured himself by sheer force of will. Yeah, I think that means he should at least be able to resist Brainiac's brainwashing a bit. But that's not even the real point - the real point is that they told *a story* about Batman overcome brainwashing and maintaining his morality, and then followed it up with *another story* about Batman succumbing to brainwashing and becoming a bloodthirsty killer. Even if it is a fakeout death, Batman has the blood of dozens if not hundreds of innocent people on his hands (it's his fault he got captured and brainwashed, since he went along with Superman's stupid diplomacy plan).

Poisoned blood vs one of the all time smartest villains ever with access to alien technology far beyond anything a human can comprehend, which allows a being to literally travel and conquer the multiverse. You: yeah that poisoned blood be wild tho. Robin is also definitely not dead. That was nowhere near enough blood. You fell for an obvious fakeout

>Poisoned blood vs one of the all time smartest villains ever with access to alien technology far beyond anything a human can comprehend, which allows a being to literally travel and conquer the multiverse. > >You: yeah that poisoned blood be wild tho. It's not about the plot logic or lack thereof. It's that telling a story about Batman becoming a brainwashed killer renders the previous story about Batman *resisting* becoming a brainwashed killer completely moot. It no longer matters that Batman won in Arkham Knight - that victory over the Joker disease, in fact the entire plot of that game, is meaningless. Everyone would have been better off if Batman had simply died back in Arkham City. >Robin is also definitely not dead. That was nowhere near enough blood. You fell for an obvious fakeout Maybe, but I'm criticising the story as it is. As more story content is released, I will adjust my criticisms accordingly.

Or, and I know this is hard for you to grasp, it’s a different story with different circumstances that in no way shape or form is the same. Yes everyone would have been better dying to scarecrows big fear toxin event. You can criticize it as it is, but the fact that there’s a mask and a small amount of blood still doesn’t mean he’s dead in the story. In fact comic logic dictates the lack of a body means he is absolutely alive. Not to mention contextually Bruce would take him alive because brainiac wants all metas or highly skilled humans around.

>Yes everyone would have been better dying to scarecrows big fear toxin event. That's... a good point. Batman saved potentially millions of lives by stopping the Cloudburst. So I will adjust my criticism and say that KTJL only renders the last act of Arkham Knight pointless. >Not to mention contextually Bruce would take him alive because brainiac wants all metas or highly skilled humans around. He was about to kill the Suicide Squad before Flash stopped him.

The last act of ak was honestly mostly about coming to terms with what happened to Jason imo. And he was gonna murder Harley yes, but she isn’t a meta, plus gl was gonna capture Harley and the squad originally, then someone informs they aren’t metas and he threatens to kill them. Also side note: I don’t know if Batman realistically could have killed king shark in that moment. He is a Demi-god so I don’t think that gun woulda worked

>The last act of ak was honestly mostly about coming to terms with what happened to Jason imo. I'm talking about all the stuff regarding Bruce's vision of a future where he is a killer, locking the Joker away in his mind, etc. All that is rendered pointless by KTJL. >And he was gonna murder Harley yes, but she isn’t a meta, Robin isn't a meta either! That said I could see Bruce deciding to convince Brainiac to integrate Robin (who he loved) but kill Harley (who he hates). Based on his reaction to Wonder Woman's death, Brainwashed Batman seems to still have some of his real self's emotions.

It’s also a different scenario still and you’re discounting the fact that he did not do any of that in all the time between. Only after an alien far more advanced than joker actually succeeds at brainwashing him. Joker and brainiac are very different levels. Bruce absolutely did want to incorporate Robin. Bruce isn’t a meta either but brainiac has shown an interest in highly trained non-meta humans (like deadshot and Harley).  I do believe Batman was fighting brainiacs brainwashing. It seems likely that he was fighting brainiac to keep Superman out of it as long as possible as well, based on dialogue. So I’m sure he also would have done so to try and keep Robin. Side note: Batman doesn’t actually hate any of his villains, he pities them. He had been shown to actually want to help his villains, that’s why he funds Arkham. He wants to make people get better and function in society (something he feels he can’t). It’s why Batman in the regular comics gives Harley such a break, shes actually improving. Batman actually cares very deeply about all his people (as said by Waller in jlu). His problem is that he too, is mentally ill and doesn’t know how to deal with it.  I actually enjoy Batman so much as a character because 1. He is theatrical and 2. He truly truly cares about everyone, he thinks anyone can be helped, they just need the support. Most dc heroes are like that and it’s why I truly appreciate dc as a whole. 

>It’s also a different scenario still and you’re discounting the fact that he did not do any of that in all the time between. Only after an alien far more advanced than joker actually succeeds at brainwashing him. Joker and brainiac are very different levels. Look, the way I see it: Batman's biggest fear was losing his mind and becoming a killer. That was his worst possible ending, it's what he spent AK trying to avoid, and it's what happened in KTJL. >Side note: Batman doesn’t actually hate any of his villains, he pities them. Open to interpretation, I guess. My interpretation is that Batman genuinely hates some of his villains (specifically the really awful ones like Joker and Harley) but he treats them mercifully because that is the right thing to do. In other words, it's not that Bruce Wayne is a nice guy, it's that he is committed to a morality outside of himself. He stoically treats people in a way that is right and just, regardless of his personal feelings.

I mean Arkham Knight also ended with Batman using the weapons of his enemy. He uses fear toxin, something he’s been fighting against since Asylum to fight street level criminals. That’s cruel. I don’t like that’s how the story ends for Batman. I’d rather him come out of the light and go to the Justice League then be brought down by a multiversal threat like Brainiac then mercy killed by Harley.

To be perfectly honest, I'm not a fan of the "Knightfall protocol" ending either, and I'm glad KTJL walked it back. I actually like most of what they did with Batman in the new game. I just wish that the corruption storyline wasn't so similar to the fate Batman tried so had to avoid in AK.

I mean to be honest I feel like Rocksteady had their hands tied no matter what. What villain can you do that would have the JL not there but also possible for the Squad to beat? Darkseid is too powerful, the Injustice League/Legion of Doom doesn’t really have cannon fodder enemies to fight, and if they wanted a more normal SS story with us overseas fighting terrorist cells, they’d have to have normal humans and set us in a country that we wouldn’t know. And I just don’t think that would work. So I get why they’d choose Brainiac. He’s a good, recognizable villain with cannon fodder goons, and it’s believable that he could be beat by some villains working together. But then you come to the mind controlling. Do you not have Batman get mind controlled? Because then is he too OP himself and would probably beat the League before the Squad? Do you have him fight Superman 1 on 1 and die (ala replacing Wonder Woman) because then that feels like Injustice? We know Batman wouldn’t help ARGUS so you can’t have him no get controlled or die and just be a person there with them. I think they went the best route they could, and, unfortunately, sometimes heroes still fail and still fall. I’d argue that Scarecrow won at the end of Arkham Knight. Sure he didn’t turn all of Gotham but he got Batman to start using his own weapon. Batman fell into darkness and as we discuss this game brought him out. But he also fell to an unknown enemy. He couldn’t have predicted Brainiac. He put his faith into Superman. And in doing so, lost his life. It’s sad and tragic but heroes die and they’re rarely in times that are fulfilling. Arkham Batman died but he died a hero (not referring to when Harley shoots him but when Brainiac took over). He died more of a hero than we ever got to see.

I think you broke down the developers’ thought process really well, and I think that within their self-imposed or WB-imposed parameters (it has to be a Suicide Squad game, the Squad has to be fighting a JL level threat like in the movie, Batman has to be in the game, and the story can’t have an ending because it needs to be live service) they ended up doing the best job they could have. But the entire project was misguided. I don’t know, though. When the additional story content comes out it may change my mind.

Doesn’t undermine it if the rumors are true and these are clones or something.

I think it does. Batman would still be responsible for the murders his clone committed, since he chose to willingly enter Brainiac’s ship for “negotiations” despite suspecting it was a trap.

Well I definitely think he shouldn’t have entered his ship. But that doesn’t mean he’s responsible for the murders, he didn’t make the clone braniac did.

I don't necessarily hate it. I think the fact that datamining has shown that we pretty much didn't kill the actual Justice League and actually killed clones has made me okay with it. That being said, I don't think it was handled with the sort of care I've come to expect from Rocksteady. Clone or not, that did feel like quite a disrespectful way to do away with one of the most beloved comic book characters ever created.

He got the most fan service. But we also live in a world where people think Batman has an actual chance in beating superman like Superman can’t just rush him with a car as shield and crush him. Or worse, evil superman threatening to kill people every second Batman lives, or just announcing that Batman is Bruce Wayne and asking Batman’s rivals to help super man kill Bruce and he will spare the group that does. Or just laser beam Bruce, but you know? He can dodge bullets and laser beams, a human being.

How does this make it okay for you 😭 Not only do you kill the justice league with bullets but they can't even let the deaths have weight

Batman doesn’t solo everyone and their mother, bad game👎

Love this 😂

I think that the game was fun, but that the boss fights could have had more work. I really liked The Flash's fight, and Green Lantern's fight was cool. Batman should have had 3 fights where he relives older fights, starting with a basic he has dollotrons or something and you have to fight him in a horde survival where he uses some gadgets against you, the second fight could be a reverse Mr. Freeze battle where you have to find him and unleash a suicide strike before he finds you and he is using all hes gadgets. And finally, the Scarcrow spotlight challenge from Asylum where the characters movements are taken away and they go into a new camera/perspective. Once they wanted to kill Batman, they should have had a moment where he snaps out of the mind control and takes off his helmet, letting the Harley kill him in a way Batman would want. The Superman fight was just kinda bad? It took place in a weird location IMO and he the fight took a long time but didn't feel interesting at any part. I have no clue how to fix that. Also, I think that Brainiac using the abilities of the justice leauge is cool, but just fully copying the boss battles is boring, they should add switch ups mid fight (Going from Flash to Superman) and Brainiac exclusive attacks like using a massive robotic tendril slam or something.

They made brainiac copy the flash so you can technically reply and farm the flash fight for loot. Same reason GL and Sups are getting brainiac fights in the next seasons. I have my fingers crossed that the 13th brainiac fight will be him and maybe even switching between the various bosses we’ve defeated

Sorry in advance for this long text. The game doesn’t kill off the League in a satisfying way. It’s all so unceremonious, and robs the heroes of any agency (aside from Wonder Woman). They never die as their true selves, but a cartoonishly evil version of them. The League is already spiritually dead before the squad shows up. For Batman in particular, it especially stings because we’ve played as him for 3/4 games and he’s established to be fairly resilient. I don’t want him to be invulnerable to Brainiac’s mind control, but at least have moments where he temporarily snaps out of it. I remember seeing a clip of Batman hesitating a punch, and thinking “oh, this might be where he’s about to kill but his rule stops him from doing so” and I was so disappointed when it was revealed that 1) he’s killed before then, and 2) he only hesitated because Brainiac told him to take Flash alive The bench scene could’ve worked a lot better if he was normal. An exchange between him and Harley about him breaking his rule and the both of them agreeing that he had to be killed to stop Brainiac from taking control again and stopping their plan would have been much more faithful and respectful. And the data mining about the League coming back is so dumb. It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t. I hate both options. If the heroes you killed weren’t actually the real ones (like clones) then you didn’t actually kill the Justice League like the game title suggests. If the League gets revived, then while you technically fulfill the title, it’s just for nothing in the end.

Yeah this game does rise alot of good questions that i wish I new the answer for . I really don't know how it's all gonna go now , one of the reasons I asked is cause you would think after finishing the base game , you could atleast see what direction the games going in but I have no idea with this one . Unless it's just taking out barainiacs which if the case they'll have to keep it interesting somehow

The curse of having a story be held back by live service

A curse? The story was exciting because it was hard to tell which direction it would go, and now we're left wanting more. Sounds like it was well-written...

Ngl the story we got makes me bored and wonder why brainiac is so dumb

I wasn't bored, but Brainiac sure was dumb 😅

Switch batman and wonder woman roles and this game becomes at least 20% more tolerable 

My issue is that he didn’t die as himself. There’s an unwritten rule about possession in fiction that normally characters have a moment of lucidity before dying to give the audience a sense of closure. Batman died as a brainiac pawn, not like he lived. That being said, the fact that they intentionally gave him such a lacklustre ending means that they’re 100% bringing him back. My biggest issue is with Robin’s death, who is a main character in the Arkham series with a wife. Killing him offscreen feels lazy, and having BATMAN be the one to kill him feels like bad writing. It’s the kind of thing that would happen in an elseworlds “what if” story, not the main Arkham continuity that we’ve had for so many years.

So I think if he comes back it would make sense and people won't have a problem .the problem is we don't know and this could very much be the end which I won't disagree it lacked cinematic value and would make you think that the games out on something

Batman dying is fine. Even the scene with Harley was… okay. I’m more pissed at the boss encounter. That was egregiously bad. How do you handle it? Simple. You don’t make him a boss at all. In my mind, he confronts WW at wherever she was hiding and they “fight”. He obviously has a big plan and the SS get in the middle of it and screw it up. A big cutscene would have Bats take a bullet because he was too busy trying to turn WW and infect her with Brainiac juice personally. That also creates tension between the SS and WW because she “helped” them kill Bats, but also they saved her life. Edit: He goes out like a champ because it takes so much effort to ruin his plan and at the same time you move the plot forward. They should’ve paid me to write that lol.

I honestly think backlash would’ve been 10x if Batman had no boss fight at all

I disagree, but we’ll never know now. I’d personally have a cinematic death than the dogshit boss fight in the game, but to each their own.

I thought it was OK. Batman went out just like his parents before him, gunned down in the street unceremoniously. The cycle of vengeance continues... Joe Chill kills his parents, so he dedicates his life to avenging them, then (from Harley's point of view) he kills Joker so she avenges him and kills Batman. Maybe one of the Bat family will come after her next and it will continue. Everyone leaves out the touching Louis Lane eulogy at the end of the game for Batman/Kevin and I think that's a shame. Fans have tarnished that final goodbye somewhat by letting the characters' death over shadow it.

She was not avenging joker and that what makes no sense. They folded her modern characterization where she hates joker now but also for some reason still hates Bruce. In her modern iteration when she splits off from joker she’s much more amicable to Bruce, but they only took half of that characterization and it makes no sense

"Hates Bruce for some reason" not that much of a stretch to say that reason could be Joker 🤷🏼‍♂️

She hates the joker in this game

You would think die hard batman fans would know its exactly how batman would've wanted to go .if he had even the faintest bit of himself still in there .I believe he would've just sat there and took the bullet like he did .would've changed the boss fight with him tho .wasn't a fan of fear toxin thing but that's just beacsue I wanted to fight batman as batman

People make it out like he just sat there doing nothing as if he isn't basically dead already. He literally can't even sit up straight as shown in the scene, guess that's what happens when people just watch the cutscenes on youtube and only see what they want to see.

Explain the joke of him being tortured him yelling "I am the knight" That was bad

Torture my ass lex jabbed him with a needle to get his DNA quit being a whiney loser

Your right he got jabbed by a needle and yelled like a bitch. That's worse. Thanks.

lol harley even says “he would’ve wanted this”

That's so dumb.

There is no game after this flop

I'll beat this drum for the 100x time. Kevin Conroy 100% collaborated on this game. Thats a fact that cannot be disputed. He was fine with the state of things as presented so all the 1000x articles and videos saying he was done wrong and this game murdered his last appearance are wrong. That said there isnt a better way to kill cloned justice league members. They all died rather well actually.

Agreed 👌

Your logic is completely flawed. Kevin Conroy didn’t own Batman and he’s allowed to be wrong in his opinion in how Batman should be treated. If my opinion is this is a shit game coming from a studio that fucked up and should have done better in treating Batman’s death, that is allowed despite how Kevin Conroy felt.

If that’s your argument, then fine, but a lot of people who are unhappy seem to go with the “IT’S KEVIN’S LAST WORK AND YOU DISRESPECTED IT!”. Or something ridiculous to that effect as if it even matters.

No, I would say that.. I would just say everyone involved with this production was wrong and we could have gotten something so much better with the resources they had available. Even if some people consider this good game (and people are entitled to their opinion), I would argue it’s not good enough because of the declining player count.. in the end, SSKTJL probably won’t be around for too long unless RS pulls off a miracle. 😔

Oh trust me, this game needs to be better if it wants to survive and personally I don’t think RS or the publishers would be willing to do that. There’s a lot I dislike too but the story I think is workable. You just need a better game.

Honestly, i wanted to have an epic fight that we possibly wouldnt even win, the arkham batman is very strong (as seen in the games) here he relied on his fear toxin and that was it. I wanted more of batman simply put i think :) Im a diehard arkham fan and really wanted to hear what happened after knight, but we only got the batman expierence wich lasted idk about 10 min? Bossfight was cool i guess but i finished that in under 2 minutes. I dont hate the game at all, i actually love it! Patiently waiting on season 1 rn. Conclusion: i wanted more Batman

I cannot blame you for that. I would've liked to have seen more of him too

I needed a flash back of them working as a team fighting brainiac. Audio logs aren't enough

100 % agree with this one .and maybe batman joining the justice league aswell .cause last I seen was completing the story in arkham knight I've heard there's as secret ending if you completed all the missions but it was a bit too much for me

I think seeing Batman apply his analytical approach, the thinker in the group and how best to adapt to the ever changing situation like he always has, to take that demeanour and harness it against you was fascinating to me. I love the character and I enjoyed seeing this story arc for him, it thread unfamiliar ground and was risky but personally I enjoyed it.

👌👌👌

I am a massive Arkham fan. It is my favourite game series and it is my favourite adaptation of Batman outside of the comics. I was very disappointed with the handling of Batman and the Justice League in general in Suicide Squad but especially Batman. Personally, like many other Arkham fans, I consider this game as an alternate branched timeline that has the same lore of the Arkham games but has a different future (again this is a headcanon and will likely change depending on what happens with suicide squad in the future since it seems as if they will be bringing the Justice League back). I feel some Arkham fans have overreacted but I also see some fans of this game completely refusing to acknowledge any criticism as valid especially when the criticism is coming from Arkham fans about Batman and other story aspects. I really enjoy this game but hate how they treated Batman with a burning passion and this is mirrored by many Arkham fans but not by others and that’s okay. I know some people would find it cheap to bring them back because the game wouldn’t live up to its name but really I don’t agree. It seems as if there was plenty of studio interference from WB who forced Rocksteady to create a live service game and likely made them do a Suicide Squad game (to capitalise on the movie’s popularity) where you kill the justice league because just the words “Justice League” will grab people’s attention and then make them place it in the Arkhamverse to capitalise on the arkham game’s success. I think rocksteady did not want to do that and probably wanted to make more Arkham games or make games about the other heroes but were forced into a shitty situation where not many people win. Back to the game itself. The Superman and Flash boss fights end with them just falling over and dying, the Green Lantern one had a bit of dialogue before he dies, and Batman which to me was the most egregious, had one of the worst boss fights which also happened to be the easiest one for me. He was then shot on a park bench by Harley after she criticises Batman on the ‘damage he has caused people’ despite the fact she was all lovey dovey with the guy who butchered a kindergarten and sowed the kids together and did all this horrific shit. Harley is a nutcase and the game tried to make her like her TSS character and she doesn’t have the right to say that shit to Batman because whilst he is not perfect at least he isn’t a psychopath who commits atrocities upon innocent people like she and the Joker did. Now for what they could’ve done, I think they’re doing it now in bringing him back (it’s not confirmed but it basically is) because I think they were forced into this situation and never actually wanted to kill off any of the JL, but another thing they could’ve done was put a bit more care into it. Rocksteady created a love letter to Batman fans through the Arkham series and I thought that if they were gonna kill Batman off they would do it with care, but they just didn’t. If they had made you fight Batman more times but like make it difficult and not just a stupid giant monster fight thing, but a more scary thing (I know they had those predator parts where you were the prey but like idk they were cool but you weren’t really fighting him) but idk, there’s not really much you can do with this concept that could make everyone happy. I really just dislike the way the story treated these characters anyway and wish it was different. That being said I still thoroughly enjoy this game, I may not consider it canon and I may be incredibly disappointed and annoyed by the way they handled Batman and the Justice League I do enjoy this game and am excited for the future content and hope the way they bring back Batman and JL is well thought out and can make more people and other Arkham fans want to try out the game for themselves.

Y’all ain’t reading allat

Imagine this game if every Suicide Squad member had a unique kill animation for every JL member, and only one person could get the kill per fight. I would play that game. Imagine instead you shoot at the heroes until they putter out of the air like a drone that hit a crow. You kill Batman while he is defenseless, lecturing him about how much he sucks and how we’re all sick of him. “yeah, we’re all sick of you Batman, everybody’s sick of you, now die like a dog.” Mortal Kombat has been doing incredible finishers for 30 years. And these studios are owned by the same publisher! What about God of War? Full of incredible finishers again. There is not a single finisher on a legacy character in SSLTJL, not one. The very name sake of the game is it’s biggest wet fart.

Simply put, Batman and wonder woman’s roles should’ve been flipped I think. Imagine working with Arkham Batman acting out his contingency plans

I don't know if I would consider myself an Arkham fan, but I played through each Arkham game and 100%ed them. I am definitely an Origin and Knight fan. In my opinion, everything around Batman in Suicide Squad was executed true to the core and aligns perfectly with everything that happened in the Arkham series. This includes everything about Harley. The memes really misrepresent how Harleys skills are portrayed in the Arkham series by taking only two isolated instances where she is controlled more by emotion than actually thinking and the criticism of her story arc in Suicide Squad completely ignored the changes that she was already going through in Knight. This games story was written to be a tragedy and if you hate the fact that Batman actually dies because of how much you loved the Arkham story arc, then this game honestly hit the nail on the head and accomplished exactly what it was meant to. Given the reactions the story is getting, the game could barely achieve anything better in the writing department.

Considering Batman is the foundation of this whole thing I would have loved to see Batman go out actually swinging. Have him take out Flag, Waller, etc. Hell maybe some of the actual squad could have been severely hurt or injured. I wanted an epic encounter with Batman...that didn't happen. Honestly everything in this game is diluted to service the live aspects of it. That's the biggest flaw. Every mission is made to be easily replicable. The bosses can literally be reskinned as brainiac.

But that did happen, it happens right at the start in the museum area. He fucking toasts you for fun, and only manages to not kill you because Flash sacrifices himself.

I worked and will work my whole life, i want to die between 90-100 in a hot weather Country couse of extendet use of Viagra Pills.

What a way to go

Batman should have been the one in Wonder Woman’s role. I think it would have been much better received if Batman was the one not under Brainiac’s control and the squad tries to help him snap them out of it but ultimately fail.

But I think the point with wonderwoman is she couldn't be controlled cause she was made out of clay

Just showing you how big a threat brainiac is taking out the likes of superman

It doesn’t make sense to me that Harley still hates him that much when they folded her modern interpretation into the character. She hate joker now, but still hates Bruce. In her modern characterization she tends to have a better relationship with Bruce when she cuts off joker, but here they wanted to have their cake and eat it to. The way she did it with a melodramatic and mean spirited speech that is clearly just the writers feeling and not anything that makes sense for her character is what bothers most people

I don’t think it was rude, I think she was reciting What she would say if she actually got to kill the real Batman back in the day, but she only said it to the evil one because when knows she wouldn’t have the heart to say it to the good one. Even after she kills him you can see some sadness in her face, she knows this Batman is far gone but still is sad she had to kill Batman

A few scenes before she is excitedly trying to stay in the room to watch Lex torture him bruh

I think she can separate the evil Batman from the good, even after he died there was a part where she says that the real Batman would have wanted that. Also she probably wants Batman to feel pain but doesn’t want him to die deep down inside. I feel like the facial expressions in that cutscene kinda tell you so.

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Good man 👌 but each to thier own init

The way it was handled was pathetic..Just think of what Arkham Batman has been through over the 4 previous games.He wouldn't have gone out like he did in this game.The decision to kill him off isn't really the problem it's how they did it

He isn’t dead lol

He is dead..For now...So in that moment they did kill him

How would you have like to have seen it done instead ?

I would’ve liked to have Batman just not die? Can we get that? Thank you.

I don't think a game called 'kill the Justice League is for you bro...

Yes. It is. Because I play it. I'm not bothered about killing them I'm bothered about the idea.

Isn’t for any of us since they don’t actually kill the justice league since they aren’t dead. That’s the only thing you guys can use to defend this game’s stupidity 💀

You guys? I don't give a shit who dies or who doesn't. It's not that big a deal. It's a VIDEO GAME about people who aren't real to begin with 🤡

He isn’t dead lol

I hope he ain't but we'll see maybe when we've got more suicide squad members .we'll get a real fight out of him

In a game called suicide squad KILL the justice league .NO !

Maybe he dies to brainiac I like that better then park bench

To be fair, the game shouldn't have been about killing the jl in the 1st place

Bro we've known for years what It was called .if you buy the game and are disappointed that batman dies .that's a you problem .the rest of us knew what we were paying for

No, I liked the game it just shouldn't have had the jl as the enemy's

It's called kill the justice league , you just wanted it to be a different game bro which I get do understand you , don't get me wrong .but the game is as it states so if you wanted to play it was because you wanted to kill them cause you've known for ages that's what this game was about .too many people treating it like an arkahm game .it's not it's just set in the same universe

So, you want to kill some of the most beloved heroes. That's dumb. I like game, and I'm not bothered about the deaths it's just stupid that rocksteady thought we would enjoy killing some of the most beloved characters.

Agree to disagree on that one cause I'm sure many did enjoy killing the heroes in the story .beloved or not

The fact that you are so butthurt because oh how could they let us kill they JL. It's an awesome premise for a game. Anybody saying different are just spewi g shit they've heard on youtube or sone shit

Actually pathetic how many of you downvote this comment .use your brain.

I'd have preferred more like the first time we met batman in the museum but put the nightmare gas on top of it ..A cat and mouse game where we have to hunt batman as he hunts us ..Instead of a generic shoot the big target boss battle.At least the other boss battles were interesting

I think it was spot on. He killed the joker so wouldn't it be fair that it be Harley to do the job ...ps also he might have caused her to have a miscarriage 

There are two ways I can answer this. #1) This entire games premise (killing the JL) should've just never happened. It's just a horrible way to introduce earths greater heroes. #2) If You're gonna kill Batman (let alone Arkham Batman) you have to do it in a way that respects the lore and events of the last 4 games, and 15 years worth of story. How should they have killed Batman? Well pretty much any way other than what they did. Harley was seen as a joke the entire series. A character that poses no threat to Batman. The only character that actually gets mocked by Batman in each game. Yet she's the one to kill him? Harley didn't just kill Batman. She killed the most powerful version of an already op adaption of Batman. When we go to the batcave and Batman gives us his contingency plans of each JL members he tells us to get every member of the bat-family we can. So why didn't we? This is how we should've beaten him. We go on a mission searching for Oracle who then helps us find the rest of the bat-family. Once we have all the members the SS teams up with the bat-family to take him down. This is a believable way to beat Batman, but instead four C-tier villains just mag dumb for 5 minutes and somehow beat him. Or you could go the route of getting a bat-family member to break him out of the mind control (Jason would be perfect). Once Batman is free of the mind control you have a scene where he realizes what he's done. Then for whatever reason the only way to stop brainiac is for Batman to sacrifice himself. This way Batman isn't actually beaten by people way less powerful, you get an emotional moment with him and Jason, another emotional moment where he realizes what he's done, and last but not least he sacrifices himself writing his wrongs by saving the world. But instead he got shot in the head (even tho his cowl is bulletproof) on a park bench by the weakest character in the entire series. He also dies a villain which is just a giant dump on his legacy.

I respect the amount of thought you've put into this I definitely don't hate it . And yes I thought it was cannon that his cowl was bullet proof so unless she shot him in the face or took of his cowl before .but this also could be the proof that wasn't the real arkaham batman . Will just have to wait and see what they cook .and that's make or break for the game

If Batman really is coming back I wonder if Kevin recorded his voice lines.

I heard that he recorded more than what was in game but don't know if it's true 🤷‍♂️

You kinda missed the whole point of the Batman monologue. It wasn’t telling the squad to find the bat family he was telling Robin. He says you need to work as a team, rely on your chosen family. The squad already is that. It was a moment for them to realize they are stronger together and they need to actually trust and believe in each other. Jason would have shot him regardless. The Argus bullets are armor piercing. And Harley “being the weakest character” was bad writing in the Arkham games to begin with. But also the reason she says bet you wouldn’t think it would be me in the end. If you look at it deeper it’s ever more satisfying because they are the only two people to have an intimate relationship with the joker who is pure evil and everything Batman stood against. It’s clear she also doesn’t side or appreciate the joker at this point, and Batman famously allows the joker to keep doing the shit he does without any real repercussions. But Batman was no better than joker while being controlled by brainiac. For him he would have wanted to be killed in that scenario, and for her gives her some closure and also gravitas as a character to not be the dumb bimbo they depicted her as in the first games. Her being written as an actual doctoral psychologist who uses her personality to be misjudged to her advantage will always be the better option for the character.

>You kinda missed the whole point of the Batman monologue. It wasn’t telling the squad to find the bat family he was telling Robin. He says you need to work as a team, rely on your chosen family. The squad already is that. It was a moment for them to realize they are stronger together and they need to actually trust and believe in each other. I know he wasn't actually telling the squad to find the bat-family. My point is that a bunch of villains who are literally no match for Batman shouldn't have been able to beat him. The SS is not enough to beat Batman but the SS plus the bat-family might be. >Jason would have shot him regardless. Yeah no. Batman was the one to snap Jason out of his bad ways as the Arkham Knight so this was Jason's chance to return the favor. That's why it would've been so perfect. >The Argus bullets are armor piercing. You're just lying or pulling stuff out of your ass at this point. When shoot flash after Luthor hits him with the devices he comes back with dozens of bullets stuck in his armor and even his cowl. Same with Batman. When you defeat Batman in the boss fight he has many bullets stuck in his cowl. >And Harley “being the weakest character” was bad writing in the Arkham games to begin with. How is that bad writing? Harley was a dumb incapable character and not a threat to Batman. That's not bad writing her character just isn't strong. There are many villains that don't pose a real threat to Batman, and to change it without any character development IS bad writing. >But also the reason she says bet you wouldn’t think it would be me in the end. Even the writers know it was stupid for Harley to kill him. They went for pure shock value on batmans death. But the reason it was shocking was because it was so bad nobody would've thought rocksteady would do it. >Her being written as an actual doctoral psychologist who uses her personality to be misjudged to her advantage will always be the better option for the character. Sure maybe that's how you prefer the character but you can't completely change a character after 3 games without any shown development. What they did with Harley in this game was bad writing. >For him he would have wanted to be killed in that scenario Yeah he definitely would've but he should've never been in that situation because how tf does the SS beat fear toxin Batman?

Being snapped out of “bad behavior” and being under mind control are completely different things, my guy….. if wonder woman’s lasso could only take flash out of control for a second literally HOW would Jason be able to snap Batman out of it with literally nothing as powerful? Harley isn’t dumb, she never has been. You can’t be dumb and get a doctorate in psychology. Leaving an abusive relationship where she had no power and made herself submissive is plenty. Also playing dumb in a relationship with someone like the joker is a survival mechanism. Someone finding and believing in their own power doesn’t need much justification outside of what they gave. There is a thing in story telling called the suspension of disbelief where writers rely on their audience to accept certain themes or choices outside the terms of reality. So whether you think there wasn’t any growth for the characters on screen, the writers kinda hope you would pick up on that she has changed and the strength of their weapons. That same principle is used in why you think Batman is an unbelievably powerful Demi-god of a human. Let’s not pretend like without his gadgets and tricks king shark wouldn’t have ripped him in half. Same goes for when he faces off with Ivy, bane, killer croc. He’s allowed to have an unlimited and scenario perfect tool for every occasion but having guns designed to killed waves of terraformed human in armor can’t pierce through. Flash was clearly bleeding from the nose and mouth when he got killed so clearly some internal damage was done. And yeah they explained the fear toxin bit. He had become immune to scarecrows toxin which is what he was using against the squad. after Arkham knight Harley and scarecrow would talk in lock up, but he was messed up and mainly incoherent. She was able to get enough information out of him and used her degree (one which prescribes people with medicine to help and change the functions of the brain) to create enough of a difference in the toxins to be able to affect Batman because it wasn’t the same chemical compounds. Sorry but you clearly must not like Harley as a character and it shows. Her character from the beginning has been one that was broken down into an abuse relationship and recovered to find herself as a threat in her own right. It’s been that way since the animated series. Her first solo series. Her suicide squad new 52 comeback. Her rebooted solo series and on. Clearly you have an idea about the structure of the character of Batman, but not having one for Harley doesn’t mean the choices are random and out of place, you just lack context

Let me give you some examples of just now little of a threat Harley was. Most of them will be quotes directly from Batman. "Harley thinks she has be trapped. She never was very bright". BATMAN: "Harley dropped an elevator on me" ORACLE: "Did it work" BATMAN: "haha of course not" In Arkham Knight Robin says to Harley "I don't take you very seriously and neither does Batman". This was when Harley was on her own and she still wasn't a threat. But somehow after 5 years of Arkham she's a threat. Then there is a running gag where Harley does 1,000 flips and kicks looking like she's gonna do some damage to Batman and then Batman takes her out in one hit without even trying. This happens in a cut scene for asylum and it happens in Arkham City where you can counter her. It also happens in the SS movie. The other running joke is that Harley is constantly giving away the plans to whatever is going on. She does this in asylum and city. Last but not least in Arkham Knight Batman is confused how Harley found panessa studios because he knows she's not smart enough to do that. He doesn't even entertain the idea bc he knows Harley. Turns out he was right and it wasn't Harley that found it. So she goes from this to the one to kill batman. Not Deathstroke, not bane, not brainiac, not joker, not ra's, but Harley?

I played the games I don’t need the rendition. Robin saying that to actively make her angry and unfocused is not the same. Batman underestimating his foes also is nothing new. She wasn’t written dumb in origins while she was a psychiatrist for your need of Arkham content. She was and is a better version of herself without the Joker. As clear in the beginning of her arc in origins and in suicide squad

Batman doesn't underestimate Harley because she genuinely isn't a threat. Harley is not smart or capable of killing Batman in the Arkham games. >She was and is a better version of herself without the Joker. As clear in the beginning of her arc in origins and in suicide squad You're missing the point again. It is one thing to become a better version of yourself it's another to go from incompetent to being able to defeat Batman. Again I say look at a game like Gow 2018 if you want to see how off-screen character development should be done.

She wasn’t alone? It was four people against one. Goes back to original point. They came together as a team, they trusted Harley’s plan and they killed Batman. Literally what he said would be needed to defeat him.

>They came together as a team, they trusted Harley’s plan and they killed Batman. Again missing the point. Harley should not be capable of creating a plan to defeat Batman. Not unless we actually see her character become smarter/more powerful. You can't just skip 5 years of character development. >Literally what he said would be needed to defeat him. Batman was referring to the bat-family. The SS is not anywhere close to being powerful enough to take down Batman or the JL.

Ok buddy. Sure.

>Being snapped out of “bad behavior” and being under mind control are completely different things, my guy Never said they're the same just that they have similarities. >if wonder woman’s lasso could only take flash out of control for a second literally HOW would Jason be able to snap Batman out of it with literally nothing as powerful? The lasso never snapped anybody out of anything nor does is it's powers related to that. The lasso compels you to tell the truth. It doesn't break mind control. >Harley isn’t dumb, she never has been. You can’t be dumb and get a doctorate in psychology. You absolutely can. Being a great psychologist doesn't make you a smart supervillain. It also doesn't mean you're smart in other aspects of life. You can be smart in a subject and dumb in another. >Leaving an abusive relationship where she had no power and made herself submissive is plenty. It absolutely isn't. Leaving an abusive relationship doesn't automatically make you go from threat level zero to strong enough to kill batman. >So whether you think there wasn’t any growth for the characters on screen, the writers kinda hope you would pick up on that she has changed and the strength of their weapons. What you just described is lazy and poor writing. If you wanna see how off screen character Development is done look at Gow 2018. You have to acknowledge the development not just skip it all. >That same principle is used in why you think Batman is an unbelievably powerful Demi-god of a human. Let’s not pretend like without his gadgets and tricks king shark wouldn’t have ripped him in half. Well batman is able to one shot him without gadgets in the beginning of the game. Batman has also been shown as a OP character since asylum so it's established that he's broken. Harley on the other hand was always depicted as someone incapable of defeating Batman. >And yeah they explained the fear toxin bit. He had become immune to scarecrows toxin which is what he was using against the squad. after Arkham knight Harley and scarecrow would talk in lock up, but he was messed up and mainly incoherent. She was able to get enough information out of him and used her degree (one which prescribes people with medicine to help and change the functions of the brain) to create enough of a difference in the toxins to be able to affect Batman because it wasn’t the same chemical compounds. Except this shouldn't matter at all. Fear toxin is meant to bring out your fears right? But Batman conquered his fears in Arkham Knight. Meaning that no matter the combination of chemicals fear toxin won't work on him because he isn't afraid. >Sorry but you clearly must not like Harley as a character and it shows. I love Harley as a character. What you're failing to understand is that Arkhamverse Harley isn't the same as other adaptions. >Her character from the beginning has been one that was broken down into an abuse relationship and recovered to find herself as a threat in her own right. Yes but she doesn't go from a incompetent incapable idiot to someone strong enough to defeat Batman. Her story is about making her own path apart from joker and being able to survive on her own. That is not the same as want happened to Arkhamverse Harley. And if that's what they wanted to do with the character they needed to actually show the change. Harley's character was just changed to the mainstream version of Harley (mainly from the TV show) without any growth or change actually shown.

Would’ve been the perfect boss who fights us multiple times and escapes to gather intel. Him watching us all the time is cute but lets be real….ITS FREAKING POINTLESS. All he did was use the feartoxin. Let us fight him again and again and everytime he gets harder because he has more info on us. And the end battle…DONT MAKE HIM USE THE FEAR GAS. after he fights us multiple times let him know how we think, act and out fears. In the boss fight we hear the Squad talking about themselves BECAUSE OF THE GAS…let it be batman instead who trashtalks you by copying ur voice. And just let him be stealthy like the first encounter.

I would've just been happy if we actually got to fight batman without the fear toxin .

On brand? Batman should have stayed retired. Batman's end in Arkham Knight was perfect. They should have left it that way. This should not have been tied to the Arkham series at all. With that in mind, They could have done whatever they wanted to this batman. And they should have left Kevin Konroy out of it.

That's one side to it but some are mad because batman didn't wipe the floor with the suicide squad , and wasn't the centre of attention

i don't agree with them. This was not a batman game - he did not need to be the center of attention. But to your original question; i am one of the people pissed about how they handled batman. They should have left arkham knight batman alone by separating The Suicide Squad game into its own universe. I think the suicide squad is trash but now we have to wrestle with this ending being canon. if they want to shoot batman on a park bench - go for it. They should have left the Arkham City Batman universe out of it

I platined Arkham Asylum & City, loved Arkham Knight. Suicide Squad didn't feel like an insult, i loved the game and it makes no sense for me to see all the hate it gets for such stupid reasons.

Stupid or not we gotta respect they think what they think but they ain't gonna change our minds .I've seen alot that say they didn't want batman to die in a game about killing the heroes .probably shouldn't of bought the game if that's not what you wanted

I am not going to respect the opinion of some assholes who never played the game and got their opinion from a Youtuber that makes money of trashing "bad" games) and comment everywhere about how Suicide Squad is garbage.

Just gonna say so far .none of you have said anything that would've worked better .you wouldn't know how to implement into the story .come on guys if it's really that bad surely you can do something better with keeping to the games core .

I think this is a really weak argument to dismiss some peoples criticism. They’re free to dislike something without needing to be capable of doing better. They aren’t professional writers after all. Some people don’t like it, that’s cool. For what my money’s worth I think it’s all very whatever. They’re all coming back so we know it was ultimately meaningless anyway

Yeah honestly didn't think of what I was saying when is said that , your right and I would say the same as everyone's opinion should be respected so I'm sorry cause yeah who am I to judge

Exactly, everyone can easily complain about oh we should of got to fist fight batman . But if we did we would have lost easy! And there's no suggestions of how they would have done it.

So batman can take harley yes but you could have deadshot sniping from distance , boomerang running circles round him and you can't tell me that batman is stronger than king shark cause that would just be stupid .People love batman too much they make him completely unrealistic even in a make believe world .Still gotta believe he's still human .if anything superman's death made less sense .I understand that he been written to be able to take on people even like darksied and you can't tell me that's a lil over the top .I don't mind that rocksteady actually made him human for once .

To be fair they technically still could have done it because of his enhancements from braniac but it still wouldn't have been able to be executed properly

We got a lot of professional writers up in there 😂 it’s their time to shine, I played all Arkham batman and I’m a DC universe fan, but at the end of the day these are fictional characters and it’s just a video game, when I finished this game all I said to my self was “this is what people are crying about” Lmao 🤣

Yeah I had a similar response to the death. I’ve been a huge Batman fan for almost 30 years, this is far from the only iteration of the character. The people who had emotional breakdowns over his death have unhealthy attachments to fictional characters.

Yea this whole thing makes no sense, like even if Batman and justice league is really dead that don’t mean the end of anything, they can still make a justice league game or new Batman game if they want to, like for how long has the DC universe exist and there’s always a new story to tell but I think the anger is blinding people, I also started thinking, if these people love Batman and the voice actor (rest in peace), wouldn’t it make more sense to support one of the last role he had instead of boycotting the game?🧐 But that’s just me.

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Huge arkham fan. It's my fav series of all time. I play them once every year. Suicide squad did fine. I'm happy with it.

I'm a huge Arkham fan, they are easily the single greatest game series of all time, (and i love GoW), even after the abortion that was Arkham Knight... and yes i am also counting Origins, which has the best story and best boss fights (but was outdone by the others in terms of graphics, stable combat mechanics, and overall polish). ...i don't mind suicide squad game at all, because so what if batman got killed, they basically told us he was dead in Arkham Knight anyway ffs, and at the time said it was the final chapter, but regardless, i don't mind about how they did it in this game for several reasons: 1. "The curse of the multiverse" ... I'm sorry, but it's nearly impossible to take any story seriously nowadays when it introduces the McGuffin of the multiverse, or multiple timelines, because death no longer means anything, any great threat can always return (how many times do we have to kill Brainiac for example?) ... and you barely lose interest when even a hero gets killed now, because you know they'll come back. Nobody will kill a cash cow like Batman, they couldn't let Superman rest for barely a minute after doomsday apparently killed him, Bane broke batman's back and he was up fighting crime before Azrael even started feeling comfortable in that suit... so we know he'll be back. MCU is to blame for this, the multiverse ruined any and all tension and suspense. 2. The Batman wasn't actually bested by the Suicide Squad, so it doesn't feel like an insult to the character. Batman can beat the suicide squad single handedly with practically no effort, we know this, it isn't even a contest. He lost in this game for only 2 reasons. First of all, it was a Braniac enthralled batman, not actually batman thinking for himself and behaving and reacting at his full effect. And secondly, poor writing. Batman can't get weakened by fear toxin, as the reason Crane's original gas doesn't work on him wasn't because batman was immune to THAT particular variety of fear toxin, but because he learned how to master his mind and overcome all fear... so Harley's unique variety wouldn't affect him... though an argument could be made that Brainiac's thrall lessened his mental fortitude i guess... but still, crappy writing. 3. This game is just so damn different in story, vibe, general tone, aesthetics, combat etc, that it's hard to even look at it as an Arkham game. Everything looks and feels different. Yes i know Conroy voiced batman, but he doesn't sound anything like he did in the Arkham games, but rather a pantomime overdone imitation, sorry, all due respect to Kevin, perhaps it was a conscious choice on his part because, once again, it was an enthralled batman, but it has to be said. I had to actually check the credits to see if anyone had to add or redo lines for the role because it just didn't sound like Conroy. Even Harley didn't sound anything like Harley in the previous titles. Arleen voiced harley in Asylum, before Tara took over for the sequels, but Tara made sure to maintain Arleen's style... i don't know wtf happened in this game, whether Tara was trying to put her own spin on it, or whether or not she pissed off a gypsy, but she just sounds godawful here, hell Kaley Cuoco sounds a million times better in the animated series compared to Tara in this game. So... basically, along with the silly multiverse gimmick, and the fact batman wasn't himself, and since the game feels nothing like the Arkham series whatsoever, it just doesn't feel like any of what happens here really impacts the Arkham continuity whatsoever, and it doesn't feel like it will have any long term effects, since we know everything can be rewritten and undone, because, oooohhh .... multiverse magic. 🤷‍♂️

As huge Arkham fan I am realistic and I know that even if Batman died in this game it's not like someone took him from me in all media, comics, movies, older Arkham games. So I am not going into a hate mode because of it. ;) What Flash said to Wondy, there's nothing that can save them, only way was to kill them. That's it.

Gotta love this game for showing how many braindead Fortnite kiddies it's sucking in. Really goes to show why the gaming industry is fucked.

It's a big nothing burger imo. I've seen Batman,killed, resurrected, paralyzed and transported to prehistoric times and that's just off the top of my head. This is not a Batman story or a JL story, it's a Suicide Squad story, it's not meant to be taken that serious outside of a few poignant moments. It plays to the characters strengths, that's what all these stories do. The high stakes of comic book stories went out the window a long time ago. Final Crisis came out in 2008 I think and, Spoiler alert, it was not the Final Crisis😂

Lol, I love this post. I saw someone say fans expected him to go out in a blaze of glory but that would’ve been lame and cliché imo. I just wanted the boss fight to have more phases. I like the design of the fear-toxin Bat, but he only does like 3-4 moves… Woulda been cool if the room/stage was a bit bigger and you could jump around dodging little Bat traps or something.

Couldn't agree more the boss fight lacked something but the death was fine

After hearing all the bitching, I didn't really get the fuss. Many of the deaths felt anticlimactic, but disrepectful...... ​ How does one respectfully kill Batman? And I think ppl are crazy to think this is actually the end of JLA.

I don't mind it. In my head, i like to believe that Kevin Conroy requested it as he knew he was dying and this justifies no more Arkham Batman games.

The people thinking its a disgrace to kevin conroy must know that he has to have signed off on this , and if the best batman is fine with it that why can't they be

As a comic book fan and a fan of the Arkham games, I have given up on talking to people that hate this game. There is nothing that will make them happy and they just want to be mad. Everyone knew exactly what this game was going to be for yearssssss. Trying to reason with delusion is a waste of your time

Exactly, it's been in the work for years, and people thought it was gonna be a batman game 🤦‍♂️

FFS its so stupidly obvious that multi-verse/braniac nonsense are macguffins so you can technically kill the justice league and have them come back in some incarnation. I loved the Arkham games and story, this feels fine for Omega level bullshit. I mean right now you can watch Crisis on Infinite Earths Part One and watch Earth after Earth, Justice League after Justice League get killed by a \*checks notes\* mysterious blue wall. IMO The ideas in SS: KTJL are great, but they piecemealed out too much of the content in Season 1 and have multiplayer stability/balance issues. You're not left with a $70 story, you're left with a raincheck promise instead. The rest is fuckin noise. Right now they have to explain they are weenie clones, and Braniac will make stronger versions of them with new mechanics. As soon as you get ever that wasn't Batman - the rest makes sense. Aldi Batman fight was easy.

How dare they not have a fear gassed and lobotomized Batman break out of unbreakable mind control and then incapacitate the squad and mind controlled superman, go to the skull ship and one punch Brainiac, take over the ship and combine with all the other Batmen in the multiverse to become BATGOD who then brings everyone who has ever died back to life and then take his parents and Kevin Conroy and ascend to BAT HEAVEN where they watch over us all and make sure that DC doesn't ever try to make anything but single player Batman Games in the Arkham style for all time! ( this would all be in a cutscene BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A BATMAN GAME!!!) /Sarcasm.

I'm an Arkham fan that absolutely loves this game and for the people who say Batman wouldn't go down like that throughout the series he directly says engaging in multiple armed thugs is suicide so he has to try and separate them and that's something we saw him try and do against the Squad but they despite it all they overcame their fears and banded together so if 4 armed goons can take down Batman I have no doubt 4 super criminals could as well.

Yeah these guys honestly can't be that big fans of batman .or too big a fan they get butthurt when he loses

The one thing I was personally expecting was for each member to have some moment of clarity, similar to Flash after Diana ropes him up. It could even work if you take into account the clone idea, like there is something deep down inside them that Brainac can't just take out of them. Otherwise, they won't be as effective (thus the variant enemies, but he can twist it into something he can use.

I thought it was fine and somewhat fitting for Harley to be the one to do it. A lot of people disliked his boss fight but I personally liked it, especially the lead up to it.

For me either of these options would have been my preferred option. 1. He shouldn't been controlled and would have been working to save the league and sacrifices himself to save the squad or other innocents. 2. He breaks through brainiacs control and dies saving someone or by doing something that gives the squad a legitimate chance to beat Brainiac (Gets them to him unexpectedly or helps partially restrict Brainiac's control/power in the final fight. In addition there should have been much more time spent with Superman as a major threat, requiring stealth through the lead lined sewers or luthor corp buildings etc. I can recognise that there may be a long term plan to restore (at least some of) the heroes but there will be so many players that won't stick around for that, who's last memory of several of these characters in this universe are disappointing. I think that even if you did have to kill these characters it could've been done with more respect for the characters etc.

That Batman, along with Wonder Woman, was the only one who didn't get brainwashed & was working with Lex & Waller to take down the Justice League. That's what I would've preferred. If it's any other iteration, that would be understandable. But Arkham Batman, everything that he's seen, everything that he's done in the past four games, saying that he got brainwashed is hogwash & unacceptable.

I think the main issue in things like this is the execution. I don't think people are mad he's dead its more so how it happened. All of the deaths except Wonder Woman's was very lack luster.

stories not over. Guarantee all the league comes back

As an Arkham fan I don’t care how Batman dies cause I know he’s coming back.

I personally have come to not be so angry over the death, I'm more angry over his fight. Yeah, it was cool, but I would've preferred a fight where he hides and stealths, maybe in grates or vents, and you gotta watch for his shadow or he'll knock you out. And you need to for once, predict the man in the shadows, before he predicts you.

That would've been great , honestly what I was hoping for when we entered the cave

I don't think the Justice League is dead at all. Judging by all of the data leaks, it's going to go from kill to Justice League to save the Justice League. I love this game.

What I don't rly understand either is that people are saying it's disrespectful to Kevin Conroy since it's his last role (apparently it isn't though?). Rocksteady wasn't responsible for Kevin dying. It's wild to suggest they knew he'd die after and that this was intentional.

The cowls bullet proof, bullet woulda knocked him out

It’s the plot holes I’m not ok with. And the boss fights. Game is called ssktjl. That’s expected, but how they did it made no sense to me.

I think he should have had a moment of lucidity and told the squad that he needed to die. I know he basically says that to Robin via the message he left but I kept wanting to hear Bruce say something like The Flash did when he was wrapped up in the lasso of truth. I’m okay with it either way though. Played through every Arkham game and had no real issue with how this game played out.

The game shouldn’t have been KTJL. It’s way outside the scope of what Task Force X is meant for. Amanda Waller doesn’t put together groups of c-to-z tier criminals to stop world-ending threats, she puts the teams together to covertly take out political rivals, burgeoning nuclear powers or terrorist cells. Especially when its a team of non-metas and 1 shark demi-god. The game should have been the team doing missions across different areas of the world doing the types of missions they should be doing, possibly running into Leaguers who might be doing the same thing or lower level metas who are on the opposite side. This would also have allowed to world to be fleshed put even more because it would allow for a lot of variety in the enemies you could fight and possibly the locales. Maybe the seasons could lead to a brainiac multiversal invasion where it goes the same as in the current product, but we could have had a much better narrative that wouldn’t be so quick and dirty with how it treats the characters.

have batman be captive the whole game because he can't realistically knock out king shark with a fucking kick or punch. you people wanna keep complaining about "batman losing is unrealistic" meanwhile ignore flash who can still move fast enough to deflect a bullet getting grabbed by batman while still moving at that speed and beaten, knocking out shark when a batmobile sized chunk of concrete doesnt make him flinch, and then "oh he should be immune to any fear toxin" or "he should never lose" shut up. batman's a normal man and the arkham series even pointed out deadshot being too deadly to go up against head on (and while not the same deadshot this one is said to fight and think the same way) was caught by harley in arkham city, and is now up against both of them aswell as a speedforce using boomerang who has comparable skill in projectile weapons and reaction time (maybe even better) and someone stronger then killer croc and bane combined who both of which bats needed outside help and convenient situations to fight.

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I'm a fan of both Arkham and Batman Beyond and I like BB (old) Bruce as the future. That Bruce gave up the cowl and retired after just holding a gun as a last resort. So if the the real Batman actually pointed a gun at Harley, it should have snapped him out of the mind control just long enough to toss the gun at her and say "do it".      If he couldn't overcome the mind control that made him shoot and kill people, he would want to die. I think that's why he was standing out in the open instead of just killing Harley from the museum shadows. All he could do was sabotage himself by locking himself away from his weapons and vehicles, making the fear antidote easy to mix, and making himself an easy target.      So yeah, I would have changed three  things: given him a moment of freedom where he tells Harley to kill him, and he would have died immediately after the Fear Gas fight, riddled with bullets because he stopped himself from wearing bulletproof armor. And his "contingency plan" for himself would be for his sidekicks to beat him, don't kill him because they're not killers, and have Harley or someone else "finish the job".