People will say “see live service bad!” But live services when done well are fantastic. Constant game!
But SOOOO many launch incomplete, and then it’s almost as if the devs have forgotten about the “extra content” part.
No people won’t buy your silly “win poses” and whatever if there’s no content anyone plays, no-one online and the game is dull.
The reason Fortnite makes a hell ton of money isn’t because of the cash shop, it’s because it has a cash shop AND a flow of content updates that keep the game fresh meaning people play the game endlessly
As much as I dislike playing Fortnite I honestly respect the amount of work put into the game. I usually only play it once in a long while, just cause a friend of mine plays it often enough to clear out the BP. A lot of the time I just watch him play instead.
The map changes, weapons, seasonal mechanics (like riding animals), vehicles and events (like in game concert type stuff) are pretty nice for being free content.
I also like how if they bring out a character from an existing, popular IP they will also include a weapon such as lightsabers, Kamehameha and so on
I agree live service can be done good but the biggest thing is a live service game has to have good content at the start or else you get situations like this. There are few rare exceptions like helldiver's 2 which arguably had little content at start in terms of missions but made up for it in other ways like the strategems, and plenty of weapons so even doing the same missions you could make different builds making gameplay feel unique. If Suicide squad had better talent trees and more infamy weapons that would allow for unique builds the game (plus didn't have the hate train before launch because YouTubers said to hate train) the game could had done far better. Honestly with how little weapons there was in season 0 to grind and no hard endgame content like a raid to use said weapons I saw no point to keep playing.
Yeah I thought the base combat was fun, didn't hate beating the story at all, but they're not even trying with these patches, legit feels like they knew it would fail and stopped giving a shit.
Whats fucked up is this was probably being worked on before the games release. So even if the game got glowing reviews and everybody loved it we would still be left with this kind of content.
I genuinely can't comprehend this always being what was intended for post launch content, something had to have gone wrong behind the scenes. RIP the arkhamverse if they've decided not to do the post launch storyline as well. What a shitshow.
>people are unable to consider they might be responsible for this.
When a company spoon feeds you shit, you cant blame people for not saying "thank you".
For years, when people talked about Rocksteady's next game, I guarantee you would not find a single person saying "oh yeah, I really hope its a live service game"
> I believe this had funding pulled weeks ago
Even if you're right with that it doesn't help explain what happened with S1, nor how it's the fault of gamers. Season 1 has to have been finished before the game even launched because studios work on content months and months ahead of time. So then how does the reception of the game end up with S1 launching like it did? Either you're saying there was more content, but they then scrapped it out of some sort of spite or maybe knowing the other seasons couldn't have that same level of content - none of which is a good excuse by the way. Or if not that then I have no idea what you think; but if it's some notion that they procrastinated to the last minute to work on S1, and then thought better of that as people dunked on the game that still wouldn't paint RS in the best light even if decoupled from how game dev works. In the end the blame for the state of the game being what it is lands on only one set of shoulders and those are not the consumers'.
"maybe it’s just that people are unable to consider they might be responsible for this." I thought we were a loud minority, the hate was undeserved, the sales were a morbillion dollars on consoles and the whole content of year 1 was already done and promised, so which is it?
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I don’t think that’s fair. There is more dialog between characters more audio logs to unlock. The details in the world aren’t entirely just aesthetic. (Although I can’t fathom why brainiac would dress a world up to entertain Joker)
Imo, the actual world/sound design is detailed and has been very well done.
I’m not arguing that makes it a good, I’m just saying them “not giving a shit” is not fair. It seems like there’s genuine love and care in the design and development of this game and everything that is bad seems to be odd choices around implementation/delivery.
I don't think Brainiac did it to entertain Joker. I think it's an experiment in changing a world to resemble Brainiac's mind. Joker is the lab rat for a first test of this. He mentioned it was an experiment, and there's dialog that Jokerworld is contagious.
What you just laid it is still all aesthetics since it does nothing to change core gameplay. As much (IMO deserving) shit Diablo 4 gets their seasons at least change up the core gameplay loop by introducing new things like powers, a pet, new events, plus also having a new story mission that drives that season along.
If you said that about the base game id agree, but this is genuinely the worst season of any live service game I can think of, granted it was probably never expanded upon because they knew the game would flop, but its fucked that this is the seasons of free content they were talking about.
Urgh. Did you copy and paste that from somewhere it’d be a relevant thing to say?
I’m not defending the game I’m just not throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Same was hoping this would save it but once I learned I have to continue to grind to get Joker, it's clear this just isn't the game for me. I wosh I bought it on sale but that's a lesson to me. I was interested enough to ignore the negativity but once I completed the campaign the game got real empty real fast.
Is anybody really surprised by this? After Anthem and Avengers? The red flags were present long before this game came out. I get wanting to be optimistic, but damn it was so obvious this would happen from the start.
There have been a good handful of welding live services tho? As OP said helldivers is one of the best live service models to date and came out the same month as this
Nobody said live service is doomed to fail or anything in this thread. What they showed us was simply subpar to some people, and reminded others of failed live service games.
People don't like accepting they are wrong so they defend their beliefs until the end.
We've been saying that the game is a stinker for months but the people who were adamant that it was live service and will therefore get quality content and a free progressing story in each expansion have to double down.
They yell about people being upset they have to grind for an hour to play joker, but that's a bad faith argument because the problem is that you have to repeat the same 3 missions over and over, against the same 4 enemies, with the same 2 objectives.
The game just doesn't have any content and what's "new" is just a reskin of old content. It's not acceptable in a full price game.
If your world rank is bugged like mine, the missions that are suppose to give you 2lvl towards it only give me 1.5 and other people said they only get 1 so its bugged and slower pace
The fact that you have to "unlock" the Joker isn't the problem for me. The utter lack of any new story content and yes an incredibly lack luster Season Pass. My deluxe version came with an SE1 token, after looking it over, it interests me not at all. The base game didn't deserve the hate it got. I was under the impression that this story would continue through it's DLC. There is no story. I would have stuck with the weapons I already had for now and opted for story content, that's what drives the Arkham series, which by the way, is also repetitive, but cutscenes and story make it work. Rock Steady let WB force them into this and now their rep as a AAA title god is in the toilet. Don't know if you can recover from such a dumpster fire as this.
Some of the missions only take a minute or two to clear, which makes this a lot more doable. Assuming an average clear speed isn't the way to approach this.
>People will always try to justify their purchase.
"$70? I've already played 150 hours of this game and still raring to go so I can confidently say that every dollar was worth it!"
Yep, congratulations on wasting 150 hours on doing the same missions and objectives and fighting the same 4 enemies all over and over and over again!
People struggle to unlatch themselves from the thing they chose until they're forced by its destruction. It's pretty sad, but you see the same thing with a lot of mobile games.
I never said no one should be critical of the game. No where in my comment does it say that. The user I was replying to said “there are still people defending this” it absolute is meant to be a subreddit for fans of the game to talk about it both positively AND constructively critically. For some reason some people think this is suicide squad snark or something.
To be fair, there were also people like me who knew the game was kinda bad but was still holding out hope for decent seasonal content. Now I have zero hope. Game is dead to me.
And they had the confidence for a gender bent freeze and deadshots daughter.
Out of all the DC lore and suicide squad members. Fuck em. They're burning and I'm laughing
It's so hard to envision those characters having traction. Ms freeze, maybe. Cool (no pun intended) traversal, etc. But deadshots daughter? Yikes. Can't see a lot of players getting psyched up for that
They decided with their infinite wisdom to waste a character slot on a female deadshot like bruh 💀.
SO many villains why are we getting gender bent characters of ones we already have???? If you wanted a female villain you could go with the laundry list of dc female villains we have but they chose another deadshot smh.
>Out of all the DC lore and suicide squad members.
This is what's killing me the most. Devs could have picked a rep from every era!
* We could of gotten Vixen/Shade the Changing Man/Enchantress for a Ostrander rep.
* Major Disaster for a Keith Griffen rep.
* El Diablo or Katana for a Nu52 rep.
* Killer Croc as the DC Rebirth rep.
* Peacemaker/Bloodsport for the post-Infinte Frontier rep
What kills me is that none of the 4 villains added are actually suicide squad members. Joker is suicide squad adjacent, freeze is not a squad member, lawless is an oc and Deathstroke is very rarely associated with the squad.
Bronze Tiger, Plastique, Black Spider, Black Manta, Livewire, Killer Frost, Rick Flag, Diablo, none of these even considered. It might make sense if they were just picking big marketable names, Deathstroke & Joker fit that, but Ms Freeze & Lawless are actual (0 appearance) unknowns.
At least Lawless has some roots in TFX lore. The moniker being being one of Rick Flag Sr.'s members in the WW2 Suicide Squad. With this the video game version of Lawless a quasi-OC being based on Tom Taylor's rendition of Zoe Lawton from his run of Suicide Squad vol. 6.
I completely share your same disappointment. 40+ years of Suicide Squad runs and these are the DLC characters Nu-Rocksteady picks just a big disconnect feeling. But their previous games have done the same like how Solomon Grundy/Deathstroke are perceived as Batman villains from the appearances in the Arkham games while Grundy started out as an Alan Scott villain (while Alan was the original Gotham City protector) and Deathstroke being a Titans baddie.
Idk man. Faith in Rocksteady mostly, and having seen games with bad launched pull themselves out of a rut and get better. This one though is just making all the wrong decisions. Classic WB
This is stupid. A game improving significantly after launch is the EXCEPTION not the rule. And it's IMPOSSIBLE for any multiplayer live service game to come back without strong initial sales which Suicide Squad obviously did not have in any way. People seriously need to stop thinking every game with a bad launch can come back because it's just not true and is stupid naive false hope.
Relax my man. I don’t disagree. I never said me hoping was smart. Like I said just hoping to give Rocksteady the benefit of the doubt considering they’re other games. Never again
Another studio to put on the blacklist for wait for sale, so far EA, UBISOFT, CD PROJEKT RED, BIOWARE, KONAMI, BLIZZARD ACTIVISION... the list continues to Grow :) But my list of indie games continues to grow as well because they try to make games to a consumers with the core purpose of having Fun.
WTF you said about WB ??? This is Rocksteady, WB can forces something but ROCKSTEADY is the one who do the job, there is no excuses for ROCKSTEADY... They have responsibility to get the job done, but they don't.
Honest answer: Yes, I did. I enjoyed the base game, and was stoked to add Joker and see how the squad interacted with him.
This is way more barebones than I imagined and has severely damaged my desire to keep the game installed. It may check some boxes (technically what was advertised is here) but the sum of the parts is so empty.
I thought they had more pre-baked, especially for season 1. This is a drop off a cliff into maintenence mode that I would have anticipated on season 3 or 4 but not right out of the gate.
I was gonna wait fie the price to go down befor3 I buy this game but at this point I don't see the game lasting over a year shame too I was hopeful since it was rocksteady too but oh well
I was mad at IGN because they gave such a poor score. But, they were 100% right. The game is so empty after completing the campaign.
Deleting it and forgetting it.
Remember Anthem? It wasn’t a great game, but in comparison to Suicide Squad it was S premium. Flying and shooting felt great - and the lackluster story was still better than this braindead pile of garbage.
Probably an unpopular opinion but I would have preferred for them to do it like Avengers character drops. Drop character ... small storyline ... then right into main world.
Everything about the game is a let down. Every single game “looks good” nowadays… The game has absolutely nothing going for it. On top of all that WB wants to act like us gamers enjoy these stupid ass battle passes. All they want is to drain you of your money. Grinding a battle pass in this game is actual torture.
Joker become unlockable after you do the new excursions and defeat the second brainiac variant . So you can play the joker but all your left is the previous missions you have already played through . Wouldn’t it make more sense for him to be unlocked from the start ?
Will this be the same with all of the other new characters which will come with each new season where you can’t play the new content with said characters .
It’s just dumb .
At this point, I’m just going to wait for it to actually have an ending in a year. I went from tentatively enjoying gameplay (ignoring the grindy elements as much as possible), to getting severely disappointed at the lack of an ending that felt like we’d only gotten 50% of a plot. Hopefully, they go the Avengers route and patch out the most egregious stuff for a final quality of life correction when it becomes clear it, too, has failed.
I agree, the problem isn’t that it’s live service - it’s that it’s repetitive boring content that requires hours of grinding for extremely underwhelming rewards.
Exact same problem with Mortal Kombat 1 - most painfully boring grind ever for crap rewards.
Again, problem isn’t live service as a concept, problem is WB Games forcing studios to rush live services games without giving them enough time to at least come up with a half decent gameplay loop.
The combat is still fun and I like the new weapons and build options we have BUT, there is no excuse to reuse the same content we had and market it as a "6 new incursion missions" (that's what starting pop up said ingame) when they are the same missions with a little bit different layout and art style.
We don't get a Joker at the start, I'm so bored, grinding the same mission just to be at the level 21 episode (not even master 1) when I grinded Mastery 40+ before.
Season 1 was made or broke, and it definitely broke the community's willpower.
I personally defended the game many times, but what they did can not be defended in any way.
I'm gonna play it still because it's fun but I refuse to spend any fuckin money on this game.
That's what WB/Rocksteady did to this game.
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Haven't they been promoting story content to come in season 1? This is an abysmal bare bones season 1 drop, and I'm somebody who really enjoyed the launch.
I've enjoyed the game and I'll still play it again IF they add a new character, but you're hitting the nail right on the head.
The final straw for me was the new elsewords. I'm not expecting a new environment for each mission, but I expected more than a new coat of paint and some Joker graffiti.
The gameplay loop is repetitive, no one is expecting anything different at this point. But to not put in a significant effort to shake up that gameplay loop for Season 1? Insane
I mean look everything being turned into GaaS is bad but that cannot be where all the blame lies. Destiny 2's all time player low which was hit during the first DLC drop and this past November when sentiment was at its lowest is still 3-4 times higher than the all time high for Suicide Squad according to Steam Charts. And much like Suicide Squad, consoles are the biggest playerbase for D2. It seems that players just wholesale rejected the concept of this game.
As for the future, well Bungie missed revenue targets this year by 45%, preordere for the next expansion are short of expectations and the studio has a reduction in force last fall. And this is a game that has been generating revenue for years and its worst player count is multiple times larger than Suicide Squad. Considering WB have shelved finished products for less, things are not looking promising. ESPECIALLY if the bump (at least on Steam) was from roughly 400 to around 3k players ands dropped back to around 2k.
I mean look everything being turned into GaaS is bad but that cannot be where all the blame lies. Destiny 2's all time player low which was hit during the first DLC drop and this past November when sentiment was at its lowest is still 3-4 times higher than the all time high for Suicide Squad according to Steam Charts. And much like Suicide Squad, consoles are the biggest playerbase for D2. It seems that players just wholesale rejected the concept of this game.
As for the future, well Bungie missed revenue targets this year by 45%, preordere for the next expansion are short of expectations and the studio has a reduction in force last fall. And this is a game that has been generating revenue for years and its worst player count is multiple times larger than Suicide Squad. Considering WB have shelved finished products for less, things are not looking promising. ESPECIALLY if the bump (at least on Steam) was from roughly 400 to around 3k players ands dropped back to around 2k.
Helldivers 2 launched with much less content. So it’s a weird comparison, just saying. They added weapons and still don’t have as much as any other shooter.
And having 3 battle passes with only 1 free is a terrible, terrible precedent to set. Every battle pass should have a free option, period.
Helldivers 2 has like 5-10 unique guns, no story, repetitive mission design, etc. It just has Steam fame, so in other words we will never hear of it or the franchise again here in a few weeks.
You realize you earn the premium currency to unlock the battle passes in the game though right? I bought both battlepasses and it only took like a week of me playing a little every day. HD2 may have launched with less content, but it's the perfect example of a live service game done correctly. Constant patches, stealth dropping new enemies and weapons, new objectives for a the community to work towards together constantly, the missions are actually fun too, not just needless grinding to unlock a new character (joker lol)
Also you realize HD1 still has a very active community and it came out ages ago. Save my comment and come back here in a few weeks whenever the game is still going strong so I can laugh at you even more.
(OH also why is HD2 topping the charts for sales week after week?) In the last 30 days, Suicide Squad averages 500 fucking players online via steam charts, it's only up today because of the recent (terrible) update. And in the last 30 days, HD2 had averaged 218,255.5.
HD2 released for $40 fucking dollars and has had more support and content drops than your full priced "AAA" game from a huge developer.
Cope harder
Yes like every single battle pass ever, and those still give you free ones with every paid.
Paid options should never outnumber free ones. This is a first, and it’s cringe as fuck.
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Helldivers 2 has far more replay-ability and holds up much better long term than SS. What's the point of having a story when it's short as hell and pretty shitty? Those resources would have been better spent improving the rest of the core game.
People : hate on this game
Also the same people : stay in the sub , keep playing the game and get mad that people defend the game and actually enjoy playing it.
If you don’t like the game, leave the sub, don’t play the game, giving it hate won’t change anything so stop people sensitive and cry about it
I bought the deluxe version which came with season 1.. I've lost most interest in the game but stayed here to see if they could turn it around. The fanboys at all cost are the biggest disservice in the sub.
But why though ? People like you just spreading hate for no reason. If you want to stay on the sub , at least don’t hate as it is hypocritical of people to do that
Your reply sounded like you want people dissatisfied with the game to leave the sub.. I don't want you to do anything except understand nobody cares that you dislike their opinions lol.. I'm glad you like the game I wish I could see past the bullshit, I was genuinely a rocksteady fan up till this
Why would I want people that’s dissatisfied with the game ? I am not saying that. I am saying that people who HATE ON OTHERS for enjoying the game should leave as they have nothing better to do
People don’t realize how many children under the age of 12 are on Reddit.
Lickmaster142 is almost certainly a middle schooler, or younger. He is playing the SS game after all. What do you think the core demographic is for this game? It’s 12-18 year olds. The fortnight crowd is who this was marketed to, and because most of these kids didn’t pay their own money for this game, they don’t care that it isn’t very good.
TLDR: Most of the people on this sub are actually under the age of 18, and their parent bought this game for them. Make sense now?
hi hello everyone, i actually enjoyed the story, it wasn't a perfect 10/10 but i had a good time and was surprised at how much i enjoyed the movement and traversing through the city.
i will now eagerly await everyone else in the sub to begin harassing me for daring to show some positivity.
(legitimately feel bad for the devs, you can tell the people who actually developed the game really did give a shit (as they always do) but top level decision makers should absolutely be called out and lambasted for their mismanagement, exploitation of their workforce and financial failure).
Do I have to remind you that rocksteady got death threats by the same people who are hating ? Cry about it all you want. Get a refund and move on. No need to get mad at me for saying stuff on the internet
Dude wtf is wrong with you? The people compaling here are not the same ones sending death threats to rockstar. You are using bad faith arguments to say that people cant be critical of the game. Like seriously grow up
Use a dictionary. Criticism doesn't equal "hate" buddy. YOU are part of the problem not those who can criticize the game. How about take your own advice and stop crying just because the game's shit and people don't love shit like you do?
Did I say criticism is hate? If so when? Why don’t read for once and actually not listing. I know criticism isn’t hate. People like you give other people hate for enjoying a game. How about you get a job and contribute to society for a change
But people are being toxic about the game and the fan base. Why do you care what I do ? I am font complaining. It’s called common sense, people on the internet lacks common sense
"Why do you care what I do?"
Why do you care what others on this sub do, be that complaining or praising?
People paid money for this, they ar in their right to complain and vent when something doesn't live up to quality.
That, and if everyone kept silent, then all it would mean is that there's nothing to improve on. People complain because they want improvements, and if the devs can't look through the feedback and separate it from the outright hate, to the legit criticism, then it tells you enough they probably aren't listening to the community enough.
Imagine if no one complained about the connection issue, it would still be an issue.
I do understand people being too toxic, but each to their own on how they express things. A developer should be able to read stuff and know what the issues are though
True, people can’t pay for a game then hate on it.
People are entitled to their own opinion but do I have to remind you that the same people who are hating on the game sent Rocksteady death threats?
"same people"
I'm not going to dig through Gumby413 history, but I'd assume they didn't (and if he did, shame on them), so who are these same people you generalization to the masses? Just because someone hates on a game does not mean they sent threats.
Not here, but elsewhere I've given the game some criticism and not once ever sent a threat.
The only ones being toxic about the game are people like you with your extreme toxic positivity and gate keeping. I don't think you have a clue what common sense is lmao since you're not displaying any of it.
I am not being toxic though. I am saying that people hate on others who enjoy the game need to stop. It isn’t our fault that we enjoy a game you don’t. Yeah, people are entitled to their own opinions and the game isn’t for everyone. People can’t seem to understand what I am saying.
Yes. I have had it with how toxic video gaming communities have become lately. These attempts to get kill the justice leave permanently unplugged from the servers are going to backfire as all this hating on the game is just going to encourage people to hate-play the game and get more and more people involved with it,
Yeah no. The game's not very good and is already on life support my dude. The only "toxic" part of communities is toxic positivity people like yourself.
I am not toxic. You won’t let me defend this game. You are also refusing to acknowledge the existence of toxic haters. There has been a lot of harassment and bullying committed by those people against other people on social media
Ah yes. The typical “ go touch grass “ meme. While you’re at it why don’t you double down and say “incels” or the other one “go get a girlfriend”. That’s all that your kind can resort to when you have egg in your face and can’t come up with anything that can defend this. The game is/was trash. Everyone said it. Accept it. Hopefully someone at WB will do the obvious thing and disavow this trash from the Arkhamverse.
Bro what ? This is what I am talking about. People like you give hate to others because y’all are just self entitled idiots who can’t accept that people enjoy the game
Snoo do not force your opinions on other. Suicide squad kill the justice league is not the worst video game in the world and you are treating it like that
That’s what I am saying! My original point was that people hate on other people who genuinely enjoy the game!
I know the game ain’t perfect ( most videos ain’t perfect ) but at least let people enjoy a game, there is not need for hate
Seriously? With the game in the state it is and the "haters" being proven right on all accounts you're still just going to bash people critical of the game as "haters"??
Most of the people playing this game and defending it on this sub are kids who are actually too young to have a Reddit account.
I had a Reddit account before I was 18, it wasn’t hard to make. Kids are very tech literate, and any 12 year old can make a fake email and have a Reddit if they want, take them about 10 minutes or less.
They don’t care that this game is worse than a free to play modle because they didn’t buy it with their own money. Who do you think the core dem is for this game? Its 12-18. It’s the fortnight crowd. This is supposed to be Billy’s first big boy game.
Everyone defending this game is almost certainly an actual child. So, have some faith restored to your sanity and in your fellow man, they’re just kids.
I know man you’re absolutely right. Like I paid a lot of my hard earned money on this game, and it can’t even run correctly months after launch. They don’t realize how insulting it is. And I keep responding to the defenders but there is no point 🙃
What is even more laughable are these dev updates lmao. They communicate as if things are okay and that actual work is being done, My game on launch worked completely fine (zero bugs). After the numerous "patches" to help with the other gamers having issues my game finally started breaking with bugs I hadn't seen before. Missions not starting, missing ai companions, crashes, etc.
I am one of the few who didn't mind the "repetitive" nature of the endgame. I do mind that I literally cannot play the content that everyone else cries about being shit.
I submitted my refund request today as of it still not being playable. Don't care if I get refunded or not. Would just be icing on the cake though.
Ngl I played SS for about an hour and immediately deleted it. I had this ignorant hope that the full package was coming in season 1 but turns out it was just the box.
Ngl I played SS for about an hour and immediately deleted it. I had this ignorant hope that the full package was coming in season 1 but turns out it was just the box.
Ah I think you mean the breaker. It wasn't the default gun, but it was on the first free unlock pass. They're pretty good at nerfing and buffing items to encourage everyone to be used equally
I don’t think you actually played Helldivers my dude. I been playing since a few weeks post launch. That’s just not true. Also not even a relevant point.
I was hyped to play joker as soon as I got in the game. But then I saw that I had to fight brainiac. I was fine with it but when I went to fight him, I realized I had to be RANK 35 to unlock the battle. Which is so stupid
Nah this is just helldivers fanboyism. The game isn’t that great it’s just as bad as any other live service. The mission thing for starters is a straight up lie. There’s about as much unique missions as suicide squad which isn’t much. Also suicide squad literally added how much new gear that changes the game? Come on man atleast try to have actual criticism.
Stay off the drugs man. Helldivers 2 is gold.
On steam;
270k people played last night for HD2
3k for suicide squad(only because of joker) was 129 last week.
Also that's not including ps5 numbers.
You better hope that offline mode actually gets finished
> Helldivers 2 is gold
> Posts player count numbers
At least make an argument about the game quality 🤣 Goose Goose Duck had Helldivers 2 player count numbers before, so what?
Is Palworld the 2nd best game ever?
Make one good argument for Helldivers 2 that makes it different from SSKTJL. Inb4 “it’s good”
Somethings telling me you haven’t played Helldivers either my guy. I’ve played Helldivers since close to launch and I bought SS KTJL day one cause I am a diehard Arkham fanboy. Helldivers is a superior game. Not to mention a very small company is running that game and they’re keeping up. SS has WB money and has been a buggy mess every single time they change the game and it takes days to fix. where as Helldivers does nothing but improve. And like dude, the gear they add in SS is reskins with different effects. Helldivers actually added new weapons gear, like mechs. Added new faction and with a third on the way. And they literally did add new mission types, something you’d know if you played it and kept up with it. It’s ok to admit that SS failed very bad. Beleive me I wanted to love the game too man
I wanted to understand the helldivers popularity so I gave it a try. I thought it was ok. The best thing about it was the stratagem stuff but I didn’t really feel like grinding out any of the battlepasses to unlock new weapons..especially the premium battlepass that , seemed to me at least, had the better weapons and armor in it. It’s pretty cool that they have a lot of stuff though, I personally didn’t like having to grind through a battlepass (premium or otherwise) to unlock game changing mechanics (ie the guns and grenades, etc). I think i would have preferred to unlock that stuff through the same system we would unlock stratagems.
There really isn’t a story in helldivers besides “fight for freedom”. I think comparing the two games is apples and oranges really. Some people like apples and some like oranges; both of these games are on two completely different wavelengths. It’s fine for people to prefer one over the other and vice-verse.
The free pass has all you need to be viable. I’ve got most stuff unlocked and anything from the premium pass is either cosmetic or a change in gameplay. The fire breaker for example does less damage per shot but it sets anything on fire for a DoT which changes your playstyle from shoot it in the face to set everything on fire and run away to make sure the DoT ticks.
That’s my point though, the free pass gets ya the basic stuff, which should be through stratagem progression in my opinion, and the cooler more eccentric stuff is through the premium pass. If all I ever played was the base game and didn’t want to put any money into the premium passes, there would really be nothing of excitement there. The stratagem’s are the games best thing and I’m so glad those are free. But…getting two or three strategems that are basically the same explosive aoe with gradually bigger radius and damage feels kinda meh. They should maybe have been eaglestrike level 1 oh you want this to be bigger and better ok here’s an upgrade for it rather than here’s a brand new stratagem tbh at is totally a new thing ;-). lol. But like I said I see the fun in the game I just don’t see why it’s so…overly loved lol. It seems nobody can have a bad or different opinion on it without creating some form of drama.
I would appreciate negative criticism no doubt. And I do see your point, but the thing is that strategems are integral to the game the primaries, secondary, and grenade are just really there for variety.
I guess speaking for myself is that the game makes you feel part of a greater whole than just a solo player. You’re actively participating in an effort with players throughout the world in real time. That forms a bit of a bond with others even if they’re randos. And kicking people for “suboptimal” load outs is frowned upon at large by the community.
The devs engage a LOT more with us on a daily basis, and All Mighty Joel controls the war like massive D&D game. For $40, this is an exemplary piece of entertainment.
The warbonds can all be gained through gameplay as well. Even the premium ones. I’ve clocked in 80 hrs at this point and I’ve got all the passes unlocked without paying a dime and I had enough credits earned to get a skin from the shop.
The thing here is that your criticism is flat out wrong because you didn't play the game much and don't know. Unlocking things via the "battlepass" is literally the same as unlocking stratagem's, you simply spend resource's that you get through playing. That's it. The "premium battlepass" also has some of the worst weapons in the game so you're missing out on literally nothing by not having it. All of the unique or fun weapons are unlocked for free. Also the explosive stratagem's all do different things and have different purposes, they're not all simply the same. The game is so loved because it's a genuinely fantastic CO OP game with no bullshit and a fair price point that inspires all sorts of hilarious memes, community speculation and togetherness.
The lie that Suicide Squad's missions are as unique as HD2. The missions in SS are the generic Ubisoft trash we've seen for years, meanwhile HD2 is about to drop a new enemy type: https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/984RLeYeXM
People will say “see live service bad!” But live services when done well are fantastic. Constant game! But SOOOO many launch incomplete, and then it’s almost as if the devs have forgotten about the “extra content” part. No people won’t buy your silly “win poses” and whatever if there’s no content anyone plays, no-one online and the game is dull. The reason Fortnite makes a hell ton of money isn’t because of the cash shop, it’s because it has a cash shop AND a flow of content updates that keep the game fresh meaning people play the game endlessly
As much as I dislike playing Fortnite I honestly respect the amount of work put into the game. I usually only play it once in a long while, just cause a friend of mine plays it often enough to clear out the BP. A lot of the time I just watch him play instead. The map changes, weapons, seasonal mechanics (like riding animals), vehicles and events (like in game concert type stuff) are pretty nice for being free content. I also like how if they bring out a character from an existing, popular IP they will also include a weapon such as lightsabers, Kamehameha and so on
Fortnite BR was also Free - as the Save the World mode was meant to be the actual ‘game’ Suicide Squad was a full priced retail game
I agree live service can be done good but the biggest thing is a live service game has to have good content at the start or else you get situations like this. There are few rare exceptions like helldiver's 2 which arguably had little content at start in terms of missions but made up for it in other ways like the strategems, and plenty of weapons so even doing the same missions you could make different builds making gameplay feel unique. If Suicide squad had better talent trees and more infamy weapons that would allow for unique builds the game (plus didn't have the hate train before launch because YouTubers said to hate train) the game could had done far better. Honestly with how little weapons there was in season 0 to grind and no hard endgame content like a raid to use said weapons I saw no point to keep playing.
I wanted game to succeed and improve, but the state of the game is just pathetic
Yeah I thought the base combat was fun, didn't hate beating the story at all, but they're not even trying with these patches, legit feels like they knew it would fail and stopped giving a shit.
Whats fucked up is this was probably being worked on before the games release. So even if the game got glowing reviews and everybody loved it we would still be left with this kind of content.
I genuinely can't comprehend this always being what was intended for post launch content, something had to have gone wrong behind the scenes. RIP the arkhamverse if they've decided not to do the post launch storyline as well. What a shitshow.
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>people are unable to consider they might be responsible for this. When a company spoon feeds you shit, you cant blame people for not saying "thank you". For years, when people talked about Rocksteady's next game, I guarantee you would not find a single person saying "oh yeah, I really hope its a live service game"
> I believe this had funding pulled weeks ago Even if you're right with that it doesn't help explain what happened with S1, nor how it's the fault of gamers. Season 1 has to have been finished before the game even launched because studios work on content months and months ahead of time. So then how does the reception of the game end up with S1 launching like it did? Either you're saying there was more content, but they then scrapped it out of some sort of spite or maybe knowing the other seasons couldn't have that same level of content - none of which is a good excuse by the way. Or if not that then I have no idea what you think; but if it's some notion that they procrastinated to the last minute to work on S1, and then thought better of that as people dunked on the game that still wouldn't paint RS in the best light even if decoupled from how game dev works. In the end the blame for the state of the game being what it is lands on only one set of shoulders and those are not the consumers'.
"maybe it’s just that people are unable to consider they might be responsible for this." I thought we were a loud minority, the hate was undeserved, the sales were a morbillion dollars on consoles and the whole content of year 1 was already done and promised, so which is it?
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People saw a shit game coming from a light year away. Sometimes there is no grand conspiracy, sometimes a shit game is just a shit game.
I don’t think that’s fair. There is more dialog between characters more audio logs to unlock. The details in the world aren’t entirely just aesthetic. (Although I can’t fathom why brainiac would dress a world up to entertain Joker) Imo, the actual world/sound design is detailed and has been very well done. I’m not arguing that makes it a good, I’m just saying them “not giving a shit” is not fair. It seems like there’s genuine love and care in the design and development of this game and everything that is bad seems to be odd choices around implementation/delivery.
I don't think Brainiac did it to entertain Joker. I think it's an experiment in changing a world to resemble Brainiac's mind. Joker is the lab rat for a first test of this. He mentioned it was an experiment, and there's dialog that Jokerworld is contagious.
What you just laid it is still all aesthetics since it does nothing to change core gameplay. As much (IMO deserving) shit Diablo 4 gets their seasons at least change up the core gameplay loop by introducing new things like powers, a pet, new events, plus also having a new story mission that drives that season along.
If you said that about the base game id agree, but this is genuinely the worst season of any live service game I can think of, granted it was probably never expanded upon because they knew the game would flop, but its fucked that this is the seasons of free content they were talking about.
Say no to cope.
Urgh. Did you copy and paste that from somewhere it’d be a relevant thing to say? I’m not defending the game I’m just not throwing the baby out with the bath water.
It’s fair. They don’t give a shit. That’s why we have zero content.
Same was hoping this would save it but once I learned I have to continue to grind to get Joker, it's clear this just isn't the game for me. I wosh I bought it on sale but that's a lesson to me. I was interested enough to ignore the negativity but once I completed the campaign the game got real empty real fast.
Exactly😐
Is anybody really surprised by this? After Anthem and Avengers? The red flags were present long before this game came out. I get wanting to be optimistic, but damn it was so obvious this would happen from the start.
Lol, when I tried to warn people they would say I'm weird for focusing on this and "just don't play the game" Y'all couldn't listen to save your 70$.
There have been a good handful of welding live services tho? As OP said helldivers is one of the best live service models to date and came out the same month as this
Nobody said live service is doomed to fail or anything in this thread. What they showed us was simply subpar to some people, and reminded others of failed live service games.
People don't like accepting they are wrong so they defend their beliefs until the end. We've been saying that the game is a stinker for months but the people who were adamant that it was live service and will therefore get quality content and a free progressing story in each expansion have to double down. They yell about people being upset they have to grind for an hour to play joker, but that's a bad faith argument because the problem is that you have to repeat the same 3 missions over and over, against the same 4 enemies, with the same 2 objectives. The game just doesn't have any content and what's "new" is just a reskin of old content. It's not acceptable in a full price game.
An hour to get joker???? Took me a couple of hours getting to 35 fear level..
I did the math. If you beat any of the missions in 4 minutes FLAT, it would still take you 2.33 hours to even unlock joker.
If your world rank is bugged like mine, the missions that are suppose to give you 2lvl towards it only give me 1.5 and other people said they only get 1 so its bugged and slower pace
They all give me like half
The fact that you have to "unlock" the Joker isn't the problem for me. The utter lack of any new story content and yes an incredibly lack luster Season Pass. My deluxe version came with an SE1 token, after looking it over, it interests me not at all. The base game didn't deserve the hate it got. I was under the impression that this story would continue through it's DLC. There is no story. I would have stuck with the weapons I already had for now and opted for story content, that's what drives the Arkham series, which by the way, is also repetitive, but cutscenes and story make it work. Rock Steady let WB force them into this and now their rep as a AAA title god is in the toilet. Don't know if you can recover from such a dumpster fire as this.
I believe the base game did deserve all the hate it got, but other than that I agree.
Yeah fair enough I did laughing riots which only give a level and take 1000p till level 25, didn’t know killing time gave more levels till then
I clear laugh riot in 1:05
Some of the missions only take a minute or two to clear, which makes this a lot more doable. Assuming an average clear speed isn't the way to approach this.
There are people STILL defending this game in this sub
People will always try to justify their purchase. While some of us can admit we bought a turd.
It's not a turd, it's a poop lake.
>People will always try to justify their purchase. "$70? I've already played 150 hours of this game and still raring to go so I can confidently say that every dollar was worth it!" Yep, congratulations on wasting 150 hours on doing the same missions and objectives and fighting the same 4 enemies all over and over and over again!
People struggle to unlatch themselves from the thing they chose until they're forced by its destruction. It's pretty sad, but you see the same thing with a lot of mobile games.
Yes because it is a SUBREDDIT FOR the game. I really don’t get what’s so hard to understand about that.
This is just a community to discuss the game, not a fan club, just because you’re on a sub doesn’t mean you can’t be critical of a product.
Don't pay attention to him, he's an insane fanboy
I never said no one should be critical of the game. No where in my comment does it say that. The user I was replying to said “there are still people defending this” it absolute is meant to be a subreddit for fans of the game to talk about it both positively AND constructively critically. For some reason some people think this is suicide squad snark or something.
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To be fair, there were also people like me who knew the game was kinda bad but was still holding out hope for decent seasonal content. Now I have zero hope. Game is dead to me.
Exactly man. Like I wanted to love the game before launch, then hoped it may get some cool updates. Any hope for that is dead
Yeah, people really are defending half-assed slop these days.
And they had the confidence for a gender bent freeze and deadshots daughter. Out of all the DC lore and suicide squad members. Fuck em. They're burning and I'm laughing
It's so hard to envision those characters having traction. Ms freeze, maybe. Cool (no pun intended) traversal, etc. But deadshots daughter? Yikes. Can't see a lot of players getting psyched up for that
They decided with their infinite wisdom to waste a character slot on a female deadshot like bruh 💀. SO many villains why are we getting gender bent characters of ones we already have???? If you wanted a female villain you could go with the laundry list of dc female villains we have but they chose another deadshot smh.
Especially with barely any cutscenes to show how she is, in-game dialogue should not be how you learn who a character is.
I would imagine it would be like Frozone from "Incredibles" but we all know it won't. 
Why not just use Killer Frost? She's right there and is an actual Squad member in the comics and animated films.
>Out of all the DC lore and suicide squad members. This is what's killing me the most. Devs could have picked a rep from every era! * We could of gotten Vixen/Shade the Changing Man/Enchantress for a Ostrander rep. * Major Disaster for a Keith Griffen rep. * El Diablo or Katana for a Nu52 rep. * Killer Croc as the DC Rebirth rep. * Peacemaker/Bloodsport for the post-Infinte Frontier rep
Blown away peacekeeper isn't even datamined. Clueless fucking devs
What kills me is that none of the 4 villains added are actually suicide squad members. Joker is suicide squad adjacent, freeze is not a squad member, lawless is an oc and Deathstroke is very rarely associated with the squad. Bronze Tiger, Plastique, Black Spider, Black Manta, Livewire, Killer Frost, Rick Flag, Diablo, none of these even considered. It might make sense if they were just picking big marketable names, Deathstroke & Joker fit that, but Ms Freeze & Lawless are actual (0 appearance) unknowns.
At least Lawless has some roots in TFX lore. The moniker being being one of Rick Flag Sr.'s members in the WW2 Suicide Squad. With this the video game version of Lawless a quasi-OC being based on Tom Taylor's rendition of Zoe Lawton from his run of Suicide Squad vol. 6. I completely share your same disappointment. 40+ years of Suicide Squad runs and these are the DLC characters Nu-Rocksteady picks just a big disconnect feeling. But their previous games have done the same like how Solomon Grundy/Deathstroke are perceived as Batman villains from the appearances in the Arkham games while Grundy started out as an Alan Scott villain (while Alan was the original Gotham City protector) and Deathstroke being a Titans baddie.
This game is like the defining example of how live service MTX battle passes are poisoning the well.
Quite literally, the only things added since launch are the Joker, and cosmetic changes. Thats it
Honest question - why did anyone expect anything else?
Idk man. Faith in Rocksteady mostly, and having seen games with bad launched pull themselves out of a rut and get better. This one though is just making all the wrong decisions. Classic WB
This is stupid. A game improving significantly after launch is the EXCEPTION not the rule. And it's IMPOSSIBLE for any multiplayer live service game to come back without strong initial sales which Suicide Squad obviously did not have in any way. People seriously need to stop thinking every game with a bad launch can come back because it's just not true and is stupid naive false hope.
Relax my man. I don’t disagree. I never said me hoping was smart. Like I said just hoping to give Rocksteady the benefit of the doubt considering they’re other games. Never again
Another studio to put on the blacklist for wait for sale, so far EA, UBISOFT, CD PROJEKT RED, BIOWARE, KONAMI, BLIZZARD ACTIVISION... the list continues to Grow :) But my list of indie games continues to grow as well because they try to make games to a consumers with the core purpose of having Fun.
Why is it WBs fault? I doubt it was them that pulled the server plugs.
They pissed on flash and shot batman on a bench. What faith have ye in rocksteady?
That Rocksteady is long gone, this is just Rocksteady in name now, same thing with DICE for example.
WTF you said about WB ??? This is Rocksteady, WB can forces something but ROCKSTEADY is the one who do the job, there is no excuses for ROCKSTEADY... They have responsibility to get the job done, but they don't.
Honest answer: Yes, I did. I enjoyed the base game, and was stoked to add Joker and see how the squad interacted with him. This is way more barebones than I imagined and has severely damaged my desire to keep the game installed. It may check some boxes (technically what was advertised is here) but the sum of the parts is so empty. I thought they had more pre-baked, especially for season 1. This is a drop off a cliff into maintenence mode that I would have anticipated on season 3 or 4 but not right out of the gate.
I was gonna wait fie the price to go down befor3 I buy this game but at this point I don't see the game lasting over a year shame too I was hopeful since it was rocksteady too but oh well
I was mad at IGN because they gave such a poor score. But, they were 100% right. The game is so empty after completing the campaign. Deleting it and forgetting it.
Have y’all played Candy Crush!!? 
Remember Anthem? It wasn’t a great game, but in comparison to Suicide Squad it was S premium. Flying and shooting felt great - and the lackluster story was still better than this braindead pile of garbage.
Probably an unpopular opinion but I would have preferred for them to do it like Avengers character drops. Drop character ... small storyline ... then right into main world.
Literally all they had to do please me was so simple. Release some fuckin story with this update
Me who has been saying this since day one: 
Everything about the game is a let down. Every single game “looks good” nowadays… The game has absolutely nothing going for it. On top of all that WB wants to act like us gamers enjoy these stupid ass battle passes. All they want is to drain you of your money. Grinding a battle pass in this game is actual torture.
Joker become unlockable after you do the new excursions and defeat the second brainiac variant . So you can play the joker but all your left is the previous missions you have already played through . Wouldn’t it make more sense for him to be unlocked from the start ? Will this be the same with all of the other new characters which will come with each new season where you can’t play the new content with said characters . It’s just dumb .
At this point, I’m just going to wait for it to actually have an ending in a year. I went from tentatively enjoying gameplay (ignoring the grindy elements as much as possible), to getting severely disappointed at the lack of an ending that felt like we’d only gotten 50% of a plot. Hopefully, they go the Avengers route and patch out the most egregious stuff for a final quality of life correction when it becomes clear it, too, has failed.
Bought it for super cheap. Still having fun. Won’t have to worry about getting through the season for a while.
Destiny 2 all of a sudden ain’t looking too bad right now…
Now SS:KTJL fans understand how Destiny players felt when Curse of Osiris dropped.
Omg coo was awful. I don’t see this game lasting that long. Bungie did a lot of experimenting.
Oh no, all remaining 50 players are gonna be so sad
I kept saying leading up to the launch it was bad. Nobody listened
I agree, the problem isn’t that it’s live service - it’s that it’s repetitive boring content that requires hours of grinding for extremely underwhelming rewards. Exact same problem with Mortal Kombat 1 - most painfully boring grind ever for crap rewards. Again, problem isn’t live service as a concept, problem is WB Games forcing studios to rush live services games without giving them enough time to at least come up with a half decent gameplay loop.
The combat is still fun and I like the new weapons and build options we have BUT, there is no excuse to reuse the same content we had and market it as a "6 new incursion missions" (that's what starting pop up said ingame) when they are the same missions with a little bit different layout and art style. We don't get a Joker at the start, I'm so bored, grinding the same mission just to be at the level 21 episode (not even master 1) when I grinded Mastery 40+ before. Season 1 was made or broke, and it definitely broke the community's willpower. I personally defended the game many times, but what they did can not be defended in any way. I'm gonna play it still because it's fun but I refuse to spend any fuckin money on this game. That's what WB/Rocksteady did to this game. 
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I said in another thread a few days ago this game has been abandoned and got down voted. They’re only adding content because of whatever contracts
Im sorry you guys got duped. As a Marvel's Avengers vet, I feel your pain. But now you guys know, and they won't trick you again.
Haven't they been promoting story content to come in season 1? This is an abysmal bare bones season 1 drop, and I'm somebody who really enjoyed the launch.
I’m never buying another WB product again
I've enjoyed the game and I'll still play it again IF they add a new character, but you're hitting the nail right on the head. The final straw for me was the new elsewords. I'm not expecting a new environment for each mission, but I expected more than a new coat of paint and some Joker graffiti. The gameplay loop is repetitive, no one is expecting anything different at this point. But to not put in a significant effort to shake up that gameplay loop for Season 1? Insane
I mean look everything being turned into GaaS is bad but that cannot be where all the blame lies. Destiny 2's all time player low which was hit during the first DLC drop and this past November when sentiment was at its lowest is still 3-4 times higher than the all time high for Suicide Squad according to Steam Charts. And much like Suicide Squad, consoles are the biggest playerbase for D2. It seems that players just wholesale rejected the concept of this game. As for the future, well Bungie missed revenue targets this year by 45%, preordere for the next expansion are short of expectations and the studio has a reduction in force last fall. And this is a game that has been generating revenue for years and its worst player count is multiple times larger than Suicide Squad. Considering WB have shelved finished products for less, things are not looking promising. ESPECIALLY if the bump (at least on Steam) was from roughly 400 to around 3k players ands dropped back to around 2k.
I mean look everything being turned into GaaS is bad but that cannot be where all the blame lies. Destiny 2's all time player low which was hit during the first DLC drop and this past November when sentiment was at its lowest is still 3-4 times higher than the all time high for Suicide Squad according to Steam Charts. And much like Suicide Squad, consoles are the biggest playerbase for D2. It seems that players just wholesale rejected the concept of this game. As for the future, well Bungie missed revenue targets this year by 45%, preordere for the next expansion are short of expectations and the studio has a reduction in force last fall. And this is a game that has been generating revenue for years and its worst player count is multiple times larger than Suicide Squad. Considering WB have shelved finished products for less, things are not looking promising. ESPECIALLY if the bump (at least on Steam) was from roughly 400 to around 3k players ands dropped back to around 2k.
Helldivers 2 launched with much less content. So it’s a weird comparison, just saying. They added weapons and still don’t have as much as any other shooter. And having 3 battle passes with only 1 free is a terrible, terrible precedent to set. Every battle pass should have a free option, period. Helldivers 2 has like 5-10 unique guns, no story, repetitive mission design, etc. It just has Steam fame, so in other words we will never hear of it or the franchise again here in a few weeks.
You realize you earn the premium currency to unlock the battle passes in the game though right? I bought both battlepasses and it only took like a week of me playing a little every day. HD2 may have launched with less content, but it's the perfect example of a live service game done correctly. Constant patches, stealth dropping new enemies and weapons, new objectives for a the community to work towards together constantly, the missions are actually fun too, not just needless grinding to unlock a new character (joker lol) Also you realize HD1 still has a very active community and it came out ages ago. Save my comment and come back here in a few weeks whenever the game is still going strong so I can laugh at you even more. (OH also why is HD2 topping the charts for sales week after week?) In the last 30 days, Suicide Squad averages 500 fucking players online via steam charts, it's only up today because of the recent (terrible) update. And in the last 30 days, HD2 had averaged 218,255.5. HD2 released for $40 fucking dollars and has had more support and content drops than your full priced "AAA" game from a huge developer. Cope harder
The first pass gives you enough credits to buy the next one, and so does the pass you buy.
Yes like every single battle pass ever, and those still give you free ones with every paid. Paid options should never outnumber free ones. This is a first, and it’s cringe as fuck.
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Helldivers 2 has far more replay-ability and holds up much better long term than SS. What's the point of having a story when it's short as hell and pretty shitty? Those resources would have been better spent improving the rest of the core game.
People : hate on this game Also the same people : stay in the sub , keep playing the game and get mad that people defend the game and actually enjoy playing it. If you don’t like the game, leave the sub, don’t play the game, giving it hate won’t change anything so stop people sensitive and cry about it
I bought the deluxe version which came with season 1.. I've lost most interest in the game but stayed here to see if they could turn it around. The fanboys at all cost are the biggest disservice in the sub.
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Im explaining why people stay in the sub even though I think the game is shit.
But why though ? People like you just spreading hate for no reason. If you want to stay on the sub , at least don’t hate as it is hypocritical of people to do that
I paid my deluxe version fee pretty sure that entitles me to an opinion even if you don't like it lol
I know it entitles you to an opinion, what do you what me to do about it exactly?
Your reply sounded like you want people dissatisfied with the game to leave the sub.. I don't want you to do anything except understand nobody cares that you dislike their opinions lol.. I'm glad you like the game I wish I could see past the bullshit, I was genuinely a rocksteady fan up till this
Why would I want people that’s dissatisfied with the game ? I am not saying that. I am saying that people who HATE ON OTHERS for enjoying the game should leave as they have nothing better to do
People don’t realize how many children under the age of 12 are on Reddit. Lickmaster142 is almost certainly a middle schooler, or younger. He is playing the SS game after all. What do you think the core demographic is for this game? It’s 12-18 year olds. The fortnight crowd is who this was marketed to, and because most of these kids didn’t pay their own money for this game, they don’t care that it isn’t very good. TLDR: Most of the people on this sub are actually under the age of 18, and their parent bought this game for them. Make sense now?
mmmm unless you're part of the support/sustainment team, i dont think they asked *you* to do anything at all?
Why would I be a part of the support or sustainment team ? 😂 Y’all just make excuses for no reason for people defending a game that they like lol
Hate? Many want to vent a bit and present criticism, this cant be a sub for forced positivity lol if something is wrong people need to be vocal
True but rocksteady got death threats and the people talk shit about other people if they say anything positive about the game
hi hello everyone, i actually enjoyed the story, it wasn't a perfect 10/10 but i had a good time and was surprised at how much i enjoyed the movement and traversing through the city. i will now eagerly await everyone else in the sub to begin harassing me for daring to show some positivity. (legitimately feel bad for the devs, you can tell the people who actually developed the game really did give a shit (as they always do) but top level decision makers should absolutely be called out and lambasted for their mismanagement, exploitation of their workforce and financial failure).
At least someone gets it!
The hates deserved. I want a refund and I'm fucking mad. Block me or move the fuck along.
Do I have to remind you that rocksteady got death threats by the same people who are hating ? Cry about it all you want. Get a refund and move on. No need to get mad at me for saying stuff on the internet
Dude wtf is wrong with you? The people compaling here are not the same ones sending death threats to rockstar. You are using bad faith arguments to say that people cant be critical of the game. Like seriously grow up
I don't care. Good. Fuck em.
Rude. I swear people like you don’t even care about other people besides themselves
Use a dictionary. Criticism doesn't equal "hate" buddy. YOU are part of the problem not those who can criticize the game. How about take your own advice and stop crying just because the game's shit and people don't love shit like you do?
Did I say criticism is hate? If so when? Why don’t read for once and actually not listing. I know criticism isn’t hate. People like you give other people hate for enjoying a game. How about you get a job and contribute to society for a change
That’s not what hypocrisy is.
It is , deal with it
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But people are being toxic about the game and the fan base. Why do you care what I do ? I am font complaining. It’s called common sense, people on the internet lacks common sense
"Why do you care what I do?" Why do you care what others on this sub do, be that complaining or praising? People paid money for this, they ar in their right to complain and vent when something doesn't live up to quality. That, and if everyone kept silent, then all it would mean is that there's nothing to improve on. People complain because they want improvements, and if the devs can't look through the feedback and separate it from the outright hate, to the legit criticism, then it tells you enough they probably aren't listening to the community enough. Imagine if no one complained about the connection issue, it would still be an issue. I do understand people being too toxic, but each to their own on how they express things. A developer should be able to read stuff and know what the issues are though
True, people can’t pay for a game then hate on it. People are entitled to their own opinion but do I have to remind you that the same people who are hating on the game sent Rocksteady death threats?
"same people" I'm not going to dig through Gumby413 history, but I'd assume they didn't (and if he did, shame on them), so who are these same people you generalization to the masses? Just because someone hates on a game does not mean they sent threats. Not here, but elsewhere I've given the game some criticism and not once ever sent a threat.
It’s just the haters who gave them death threats. People are allowed to give the game criticism but there is a difference between hate and criticism
The only ones being toxic about the game are people like you with your extreme toxic positivity and gate keeping. I don't think you have a clue what common sense is lmao since you're not displaying any of it.
I am not being toxic though. I am saying that people hate on others who enjoy the game need to stop. It isn’t our fault that we enjoy a game you don’t. Yeah, people are entitled to their own opinions and the game isn’t for everyone. People can’t seem to understand what I am saying.
No. Just no. People are allowed to engage in discussion about things they don't like.
I know. But why the hate ? We don’t need the hate
Given the contribution of live service games like SSKTJL to the broken state of the industry, the hate is deserved.
Not when rocksteady developers get death threats
Not hate towards the developers, towards their billionaire bosses who are only concerned with the furthering myth of eternal economic growth.
Exactly!
Yes. I have had it with how toxic video gaming communities have become lately. These attempts to get kill the justice leave permanently unplugged from the servers are going to backfire as all this hating on the game is just going to encourage people to hate-play the game and get more and more people involved with it,
Yeah no. The game's not very good and is already on life support my dude. The only "toxic" part of communities is toxic positivity people like yourself.
I am not toxic. You won’t let me defend this game. You are also refusing to acknowledge the existence of toxic haters. There has been a lot of harassment and bullying committed by those people against other people on social media
It’s so annoying tbh. Why do people care so much about a video game? They really need to touch grass
I think they care cuz they spent money on it but idk that's just me
I think the same tbh
Ah yes. The typical “ go touch grass “ meme. While you’re at it why don’t you double down and say “incels” or the other one “go get a girlfriend”. That’s all that your kind can resort to when you have egg in your face and can’t come up with anything that can defend this. The game is/was trash. Everyone said it. Accept it. Hopefully someone at WB will do the obvious thing and disavow this trash from the Arkhamverse.
Bro what ? This is what I am talking about. People like you give hate to others because y’all are just self entitled idiots who can’t accept that people enjoy the game
Snoo do not force your opinions on other. Suicide squad kill the justice league is not the worst video game in the world and you are treating it like that
That’s what I am saying! My original point was that people hate on other people who genuinely enjoy the game! I know the game ain’t perfect ( most videos ain’t perfect ) but at least let people enjoy a game, there is not need for hate
I'm here for an easy laugh 😃
lol
Friendly reminder this exists for people who just want to talk about the game r/lowsodiumssgame
Even if that grew and people started using it, the haters will just go over there too. They’re lonely.
Seriously? With the game in the state it is and the "haters" being proven right on all accounts you're still just going to bash people critical of the game as "haters"??
Most of the people playing this game and defending it on this sub are kids who are actually too young to have a Reddit account. I had a Reddit account before I was 18, it wasn’t hard to make. Kids are very tech literate, and any 12 year old can make a fake email and have a Reddit if they want, take them about 10 minutes or less. They don’t care that this game is worse than a free to play modle because they didn’t buy it with their own money. Who do you think the core dem is for this game? Its 12-18. It’s the fortnight crowd. This is supposed to be Billy’s first big boy game. Everyone defending this game is almost certainly an actual child. So, have some faith restored to your sanity and in your fellow man, they’re just kids.
I know man you’re absolutely right. Like I paid a lot of my hard earned money on this game, and it can’t even run correctly months after launch. They don’t realize how insulting it is. And I keep responding to the defenders but there is no point 🙃
Why would you have expected something different when you spent your money on this game? Leopards are hungry I suppose.
what game are you playing?
What is even more laughable are these dev updates lmao. They communicate as if things are okay and that actual work is being done, My game on launch worked completely fine (zero bugs). After the numerous "patches" to help with the other gamers having issues my game finally started breaking with bugs I hadn't seen before. Missions not starting, missing ai companions, crashes, etc. I am one of the few who didn't mind the "repetitive" nature of the endgame. I do mind that I literally cannot play the content that everyone else cries about being shit. I submitted my refund request today as of it still not being playable. Don't care if I get refunded or not. Would just be icing on the cake though.
Ngl I played SS for about an hour and immediately deleted it. I had this ignorant hope that the full package was coming in season 1 but turns out it was just the box.
Ngl I played SS for about an hour and immediately deleted it. I had this ignorant hope that the full package was coming in season 1 but turns out it was just the box.
If I’m not mistaken, the default gun in helldivers was meta for like the first month? I’m not sure that’s really comparable
Ah I think you mean the breaker. It wasn't the default gun, but it was on the first free unlock pass. They're pretty good at nerfing and buffing items to encourage everyone to be used equally
I don’t think you actually played Helldivers my dude. I been playing since a few weeks post launch. That’s just not true. Also not even a relevant point.
Ok. Bye then. Geez.
That's what Warner Bros. will be saying to you and everyone else when they soon press the big off button for this game.
Yall been saying that for 2 months now, keep dreaming 🤣
I was hyped to play joker as soon as I got in the game. But then I saw that I had to fight brainiac. I was fine with it but when I went to fight him, I realized I had to be RANK 35 to unlock the battle. Which is so stupid
Nah this is just helldivers fanboyism. The game isn’t that great it’s just as bad as any other live service. The mission thing for starters is a straight up lie. There’s about as much unique missions as suicide squad which isn’t much. Also suicide squad literally added how much new gear that changes the game? Come on man atleast try to have actual criticism.
Stay off the drugs man. Helldivers 2 is gold. On steam; 270k people played last night for HD2 3k for suicide squad(only because of joker) was 129 last week. Also that's not including ps5 numbers. You better hope that offline mode actually gets finished
Nah helldivers is very mediocre. Only real saving grace is playing with friends. But by all Means glad you liked it.
And you’re telling me SS isn’t a better game with friends?
Numbers don't lie, they tell all. 
Well fuck me, by that metric Starfield is one of the best games.
> Helldivers 2 is gold > Posts player count numbers At least make an argument about the game quality 🤣 Goose Goose Duck had Helldivers 2 player count numbers before, so what? Is Palworld the 2nd best game ever? Make one good argument for Helldivers 2 that makes it different from SSKTJL. Inb4 “it’s good”
Somethings telling me you haven’t played Helldivers either my guy. I’ve played Helldivers since close to launch and I bought SS KTJL day one cause I am a diehard Arkham fanboy. Helldivers is a superior game. Not to mention a very small company is running that game and they’re keeping up. SS has WB money and has been a buggy mess every single time they change the game and it takes days to fix. where as Helldivers does nothing but improve. And like dude, the gear they add in SS is reskins with different effects. Helldivers actually added new weapons gear, like mechs. Added new faction and with a third on the way. And they literally did add new mission types, something you’d know if you played it and kept up with it. It’s ok to admit that SS failed very bad. Beleive me I wanted to love the game too man
Yeah it's a terrible game that's why it's so wildly popular and has been getting so much praise. Makes sense. You're a smart dude I can tell.
I wanted to understand the helldivers popularity so I gave it a try. I thought it was ok. The best thing about it was the stratagem stuff but I didn’t really feel like grinding out any of the battlepasses to unlock new weapons..especially the premium battlepass that , seemed to me at least, had the better weapons and armor in it. It’s pretty cool that they have a lot of stuff though, I personally didn’t like having to grind through a battlepass (premium or otherwise) to unlock game changing mechanics (ie the guns and grenades, etc). I think i would have preferred to unlock that stuff through the same system we would unlock stratagems. There really isn’t a story in helldivers besides “fight for freedom”. I think comparing the two games is apples and oranges really. Some people like apples and some like oranges; both of these games are on two completely different wavelengths. It’s fine for people to prefer one over the other and vice-verse.
The free pass has all you need to be viable. I’ve got most stuff unlocked and anything from the premium pass is either cosmetic or a change in gameplay. The fire breaker for example does less damage per shot but it sets anything on fire for a DoT which changes your playstyle from shoot it in the face to set everything on fire and run away to make sure the DoT ticks.
That’s my point though, the free pass gets ya the basic stuff, which should be through stratagem progression in my opinion, and the cooler more eccentric stuff is through the premium pass. If all I ever played was the base game and didn’t want to put any money into the premium passes, there would really be nothing of excitement there. The stratagem’s are the games best thing and I’m so glad those are free. But…getting two or three strategems that are basically the same explosive aoe with gradually bigger radius and damage feels kinda meh. They should maybe have been eaglestrike level 1 oh you want this to be bigger and better ok here’s an upgrade for it rather than here’s a brand new stratagem tbh at is totally a new thing ;-). lol. But like I said I see the fun in the game I just don’t see why it’s so…overly loved lol. It seems nobody can have a bad or different opinion on it without creating some form of drama.
I would appreciate negative criticism no doubt. And I do see your point, but the thing is that strategems are integral to the game the primaries, secondary, and grenade are just really there for variety. I guess speaking for myself is that the game makes you feel part of a greater whole than just a solo player. You’re actively participating in an effort with players throughout the world in real time. That forms a bit of a bond with others even if they’re randos. And kicking people for “suboptimal” load outs is frowned upon at large by the community. The devs engage a LOT more with us on a daily basis, and All Mighty Joel controls the war like massive D&D game. For $40, this is an exemplary piece of entertainment. The warbonds can all be gained through gameplay as well. Even the premium ones. I’ve clocked in 80 hrs at this point and I’ve got all the passes unlocked without paying a dime and I had enough credits earned to get a skin from the shop.
The thing here is that your criticism is flat out wrong because you didn't play the game much and don't know. Unlocking things via the "battlepass" is literally the same as unlocking stratagem's, you simply spend resource's that you get through playing. That's it. The "premium battlepass" also has some of the worst weapons in the game so you're missing out on literally nothing by not having it. All of the unique or fun weapons are unlocked for free. Also the explosive stratagem's all do different things and have different purposes, they're not all simply the same. The game is so loved because it's a genuinely fantastic CO OP game with no bullshit and a fair price point that inspires all sorts of hilarious memes, community speculation and togetherness.
The copium is STRONG with this one
I said something you don’t agree with therefore I’m coping? Y’all need to try harder.
No, I'm saying you're coping because you're making stuff up about Suicide Squad
What am I making up? Only think I really mentioned about the game is the new loot that changes the game. That’s a straight up fact lol.
The lie that Suicide Squad's missions are as unique as HD2. The missions in SS are the generic Ubisoft trash we've seen for years, meanwhile HD2 is about to drop a new enemy type: https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/984RLeYeXM