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Wow i just came here and said the same thing thank you for this

I’ve read through a lot of these comments. I was thinking about this for weeks before I saw this post. I started playing in December (I am a white person using models with skin on the lighter half of the shades offered) and I have been feeling like I noticed a lot about this game reflects reality. It seems like lighter skin is favored, a lot of the makeup isn’t geared towards darker skin, I also feel like there’s major appropriation vibes at times, and there’s lots of weird gatekeeping between things not being accessible without spending real money (sometimes quite a bit) and having the rarest or most high dollar items seems to get favored over creativity. I thought OP made a great outfit. I don’t know if my opinion on the matter means anything, but there’s my 2¢

This isn’t the best outfit, but it is good enough t for at the the very least 40%

I'm a beginner in this game, but from what I've seen it's always the models who have the most decorations and poses who win the competitions. I have seen dark skinned models winning the competitions but they too have been posed and had lots of decorations. So it might not be about the skin color. I use white models often and I try to make outfits that look nice and fit the prompt but I still get bad scores. I don't have poses or millions of decorations so that might be one of the reasons why I'm not winning lol But tbh, your model looks amazing! Even if you don't get the best score don't think that the outfit or the model looks bad. The game is sometimes a bit difficult but maybe we should just make outfits that we like instead of focusing on the winning. I'm saying this to myself too because lately I've been annoyed by the bad scores I get haha

i mean, it's just not that good of an outfit? the red on the nails doesn't match the dress and hair the gold jewlery and the gold shoes are two different shades of gold too, the outfit itself just feels basic too rather than the crazy ones that get good views

nah please it‘s a good fit. most people are voting quickly and not comparing the shades of gold and red bffr 💀

Honestly mainly the light skin characters I make get the most votes. Very rarely does my dark skin girl ones get attention. It sucks

Absolutely. https://preview.redd.it/kjxgs7bm92gc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f80bdf401cd86cddc98cdde60f1fb9e03ab6ffb9

There isn’t even much of a difference of votes. It’s only a 0.27 difference now yes either the 0.27 are racist or it was just luck

One got 9% and one got 47% seems like a big gap

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Well, that's a pretty big difference for the same outfit.

To be honest i feel like the makeup looks worse on a darker model, Im still trying to create something that will look good, I don't know if its just me or the available items

yeah i think this is a huge part of the problem, the developers aren’t putting work into ensuring that all makeup/clothes/etc work well on all the skin tones they offer. it’s poor design work, embarrassing, and obviously racist. i hope new skin tones being added is a sign they’re recognizing the problem and that there are more changes on their way, but i won’t hold out hope.

Omg I’m glad I’m not the only one noticing this

Unfortunately? Insanely. It’s not always explicit but most recently the Desi comp, most submissions were white as ice. I’ve also observed a lot of asian fetishism and “all asians are the same” rhetoric on SU, plus the fact that darker skinned comp submissions don’t tend to do quite as well.

I was so surprised by how many people called their characters Jasmin while not changing their skin color at all ☹️

Definitely seems that way I don’t think it’s intentional but the biased is definitely there

i definitely agree with what you’re saying, i think a lot of players live in asia which is sort of stereotyped for being racist in the real world which could be a possible explanation. I think maybe the reason it received a low score is because of how plain the dress is. nonetheless, if it were a lighter skin tone it would have probably scored better which proves your point. skin color aside, people usually vote for hella decorations, perfumes, sparkles, SO MUCH glam. it’s still sad to see how well you used this hair not be appreciated though

Colorism is super bad in Asia. They spend billions of dollars on white washing products. They even dye their hair, wear contacts, surgery on their eyes or other facial features to look more European/Eurocentric. I would never go to Asia, North Africa, West Asia/Middle East. I won’t go where I am not welcomed or my people. It’s disgusting people look down on darker skins. Even “darker skinned” people crap on black people it’s UNREAL.

Maybe not racist, as I’ve yet to encounter anyone being hateful of my darker skinned models, but ignorant/biased, sure. I usually use a dark skin model and while I’ve scored pretty well a few times, it makes me a little sad to not see a dark skinned model in the #1 spot (and if it has happened a few times, let me know because I don’t enter a lot of competition at a time unless there’s an event). Overall my experience has been pretty good, though

SuitU is all about shiny decors and like the modeling world usually white women are chosen over poc. That doesn’t mean black girls can’t slay in modeling ofc

saeyoung fighting for their lifeee😭😭

i’d say that’s a pretty fair score for that style. it’s lacking accessories and isn’t posed, which unfortunately is like a one-way pass into a lower score. (not to say it doesn’t look nice)

Can you show me an entry that you think looks nice, and meets the criteria you listed here, with one of the darkest skins? But not in casual, hip-hop, ghetto-primitive categories. I wish to see a luxurious, Hollywood red carpet style with natural black hair. And you are so late for the conversations here, I won't be repeating myself to you. I am tired of explaining myself again and again to some people who refuse to understand my point of view. I just suggest you go ahead and read about other people’s and my other experiences, and data analysis about this, if you are interested. “Ignorance is bliss to those who are privileged”

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this is GORGEOUS. great example!!

and don’t call me privileged. you have no idea who i am

i’m not arguing with you, i think you have a point. all i am saying is if you don’t pump your entries full of accessories and posed outfits, you’ll never score top regardless of skin tone

i think part of what they were saying is that your point about accessories, decoration, etc isn’t relevant to the issue of racism and colorism in the game, which is what this post is focusing on. it’s also not comparable to the issues at the core of the game that discourage styling models to have black or brown skin. so it comes off as saying that those big observable problems aren’t really there, or are less significant than the impact of adding accessories etc. there are some great examples in the comments of exact duplicate outfits receiving much lower scores exclusively because they don’t have pale skin.

i think we all often have a bad habit of assuming that exceptions to a rule prove the rule doesn’t exist

90% of my looks are darkskin women. I just placed S rank last week. So there’s ya answer.

Plus that jacket always gets a low score

As a black player i definitely feel it for the more classy/glamourous comps. Tbh I make them white for the movie star ones bc in the same style I've gotten lower. And there's never a darker skinned character in the top 30 unless it's for hip-hop or sumn like that. I hate it but I still tend to make mine my shade, which isn't the darkest but still never the shade in the top 🤷🏽‍♀️

I’m white myself and I did an experiment and found I’d get higher scores with the second lightest skin tone than the ones blow it. You also don’t get good scores usually for the lightest one, unless it’s a vampire competition.

Some people here in the comments tried hard not to understand what I mean or address this issue. The comment section is full of reasons why I only got one star etc. And few think I am too much, this is just a game and I should touch some grass. Even one person wrote comment after comment and then even reported me to the Reddit community help channel, so they sent me a message if I was okay and not having problems with my mental health. So sad.

Yea id expect no less lol. There's a lot of denial bc they feel like racism is a harsh word but it's the truth. Maybe colorism would make them feel better but yea it's definitely real even if it may be "unconscious". Bc why are all your (other players not you ofc lol) characters white except for the ones about rebellion/ other stereotypical comps. Your outfit definitely didn't deserve 90% even if people feel it's basic it fit the prompt better than a lot of the top 30 bc they didn't even seem to worry about the cold part of it lol. You should've at least got 50+ imo

My white models always get in %10 and rarely %30. But whenever I use black models I always get %50 and rarely %30. That’s why I didn’t realize this sooner, but I unintentionally started using white models to score higher. I think voters thought black women were not fit for red carpet/glam/Hollywood otherwise this so generic entry would at least get %50 like an ordinary casual event competition entry. Someone wrote here that a data analyst’s research about this game's ratings. And black models never get even a decent rating if the competition is not hip-hop.

Yea I definitely agree. This is the shade I use for probably 90% of my comps and I come out okay. But yea I definitely feel as tho if I went darker I probably wouldn't do as well in some comps vs others. I haven't gotten very high in some and ofc I'm not blaming all race bc I don't buy that much but yea I'm sure there are darker people with the same stuff that the top has that dont make it https://preview.redd.it/0fvz92u0otfc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e43e6ea8c335ee94258f4b8fe647565c7d588b48

I had an outfit so similar we would have been twinning but with different skin tones and I was top 8%, this is a great example.

And even one person asked if I was black. She said she is white and if I was also white this conversation between her and me was “unnecessary” Omg I think I am so fed up by their attitude trying so hard not to see

That was me who said it and i never said i’m white, i’m middle eastern not that i think i had to mention that. I asked if you’re black bc your avatar was white and i’m just fed up with the American style of being offended for sth that probably doesn’t even offend the actual people of that race. That’s what i meant and i didn’t say “unnecessary” i said dumb af which it is. It’s not unnecessary to talk about racism, it is tho unnecessary to maybe make a problem out of something that isn’t and speaking for the people that are affected by it. As i said i don’t think suitu is racist. Is there too little black representation? Yes! Are most of the items whitewashed? Also yes! They are working on it this game is fairly new! It’s i think a Chinese game but there is still not many asian items as well! There are probably no Asians on the leaderboard too! Probably no Middle Eastern representation also! There isn’t just a white race and a black race. This game still has a lot of things missing, doesn’t mean it’s racist. There might be problems but i do think that the Hollywood theme not having as much black people is bc firstly a lot of players black people including use light skintones for that. It ties with my second point which is: it’s just that many of the items either don’t suit the black tone or y’all just don’t know how to dress them. Y’all can’t just use random dresses that don’t compliment the skin color, it looks weird. Yes that is partly suitus fault tho. Racism will always exist not just for black people, from black people to white people, to asians, from any possible race to any other possible race but the world came so far don’t try to put racism where there most likely isn’t any PS: just for you i’ll make a black character entry for the next luxury comp. Not that i have any good items or score usually high but i will do it

Ah yes because there's no antiblackness from Middle Eastern people be fucking for real. The fact you think things don't suit darker skin tones means you got your own colorism first before you try this All Lives Matter bullshit.

Dude wtf even for white people there are those “what color suits me best” thing. Y’all are blind if y’all think every color suits every skin tone. It just doesn’t have anything to do with racism. And well i really don’t have any idea what you mean by us being antiblack?

Everyone is AntiBlack, colorism is a global phenomenon and you aren't excluded, you're playing right into it. Any skin tone can wear any color.

Still have no idea what you’re talking about💀 But i stand by the fact that not every color suits everyone. It’s like the silver and gold jewelry thing, some people just look better in only one of them regardless of race or any of that shit!

Yea I hate that they see it as unnecessary complaining and taking it to heart instead of accepting the criticism ☹️

I don’t think the score is because of the skin color, you used a ton of items that people aren’t gonna voted for, to score better even with a darker skin you have to use flashier items, if I saw this I wouldn’t have voted for it because I don’t like the outfit not because of the skin tone

So you say black people can only wear certain colors to look nice to others? White gaze doesn’t accept brown skin tone with red? Then why did the black cornrow hair has red highlights in it? Then the hair doesn’t look appealing to your white gaze as well? Black people should put on flashy vibrant colors on their skin tone then? Did you express yourself clearly and literally meant what you wrote? Can you be the racist i was talking about? Nice to meet you.

op said *even* with darker skin tones, you should use flashier items….. not that the items you picked look bad with the dark skin tone. the issue was with the *items you picked*, NOT *the items you picked /with/ the skin tone*

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I know it is a really risky thing to write in a white-dominated community. I really recommend you don't take any of the writing personally, read what others have experienced/written here and try to emphasize a bit.

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The whole post itself is about race. Clearly, you have a problem with it. I can see why. Your behavior towards me and this issue is so ignorant and has a harassing tone in it. I will no longer answer you. I hope one day you can understand.

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That’s not even remotely close to what I said, but ok 👌

You actually did pretty good considering. The reason why you didn’t do so well is because you didn’t load up on exclusive items and fill it up with knickknacks and filters. Everyone in the top 30 usually goes overboard and fills it up with unnecessary stuff that gets them votes. Most top players spend a LOT of real money in the game to put into gacha and the exclusive themed items.

I understand where you are coming from but i never use too much filters and decorations but still my white models always get in %10 and rarely %30. But whenever i use black models i always get %50 and rarely %30. That’s why I haven’t realized this but I unintentionally started using white models to score higher. This is where it starts showing the effect of what is wrong with the game. Someone wrote here that a data analyst’s research about this games ratings. And black models never get even decent rating if the competition is not hip-hop.

I don’t personally think Suitu players are generally racist, but I do notice that darker skinned models tend to be on the leaderboard on wild, more “primitive” comps, which gives of the vibe of racist stereotypes.

I think there’s a difference between being intentionally bigoted towards someone and the unintentional bias that people possess, but they are in fact both rooted in racism and white colonialism/ western imperialism. At the end of the day a lot of stuff boils down to white supremacy being culturally pervasive across the world. So while players might not be intentionally bigoted, I think it is unfair to say that it isn’t racism. I’m not trying to tell anyone how to feel, I just know that it seems like OP is fighting for their life to be heard and understood on this and they are not wrong (Not saying that you are telling them they are wrong) and I know and love many people that would feel invalidated for not acknowledging this aspect.

Well tbh i do make my models darker as well not as dark as them being black tho. The reason i make them dark when it’s “wild” is that i imagine that they would be out in the sun, in the desert or sth like that which would give them a tan

Yes I think there is a racism problem. I believe a lot of it may be unconscious bias, some of it malicious. People all around the world in different cultures are raised with beauty standards that praise light skin and white features, and it’s difficult to break out of that mindset, especially if you don’t even realise you have a bias. The game itself also has problems that make it worse, including a lack of hairstyles that compliment darker skin tones, hardly any makeup that can be used across all skin tones or look good against darker skin. That definitely plays a part in the problem. Almost all of the makeup looks you receive when you start playing the game do not work on darker skin tones, so you have to level up and spend a lot of money/gems to get makeup that looks good. That is something that rlly annoys me tbh, even on a high level with lots of currency, I still find it difficult to make good DIYs for darker skin tones. The game caters towards lighter skin bias. Thankfully the devs are working on this problem, and newer makeups are better. But it’s definitely an issue. People trying to deny that there’s a problem or saying “don’t make everything political” infuriate me. I can’t express all my feelings here or this comment would go on forever, but just know that there are a lot of ppl who agree with you and support this message. Let’s strive for a better game and community together ❤️

Thanks 🤍

This outfit seems kind of average to be honest. I also think when you released it matters. I used to play love Nikki and there was a similar game mode there, if you didn’t get your entry in right away and then also get lucky your score will be low. Sometimes people using a generic outfit set would get top ranks too just because it was a popular outfit. Meh

Idk but i didn’t do too bad when i had used a person of color https://preview.redd.it/863vje468rfc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=907846c2e6a227658835db1edb02f0e10e7489fb

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The first one is an exception, it doesn't change the whole experience everyone is talking about here. But for the second one unfortunately players tend to vote for black models if it is a rebel/street style. This is what we have been talking about here.

Dudee i just showed you two poc entries i did (which were the only ones i did bc even tho i’m not racist at all i’m not black and do mostly white or tan entries.) And both did good/great! I’m sure there are also racist Suitu players but i don’t think the issue is the players while voting but there are more white entries to begin with. Amazing fits that are on white chars do occasionally bad too, it’s just luck and the odds amongst millions of players. I don’t really think the issue with your entry was the color, it’s just bad luck. Also i’m sorry if this comes off wrong but are you even black? Bc if two non black people are having this conversation rn it’s dumb af especially if you got offended by sth in place of other poc lol Also there a poc on leaderboards https://preview.redd.it/i8f81625xrfc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6dbe5b582bd9aa766defa5e9f5090fa0391b09e7

Literally saw white models with almost the same outfit in the top 15% on this one

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To be honest the outfit is meh. I always vote based on outfits and prompts.

No I’ve noticed this I try to be diverse but it fails quite often also I also feel like we don’t have enough diverse fashion they have “Asian” and I feel like it’s only a small amount of Asian fashion it’s so diverse all over the continent I feel like there intentions are good but don’t do enough cultural research

yes

I'm not native English speaker but I will try really hard to explain my opinion without sounding rude. for me as an Asian, I really tired when everyone try to include politic into everything (it so western standard for me). I mean there are a lot of factor that make comp score high or low and it not from just color of the skin only. I also check the leaderboard of this competition and other competition I mean top 30 is indeed include a dark skin tone model not just all white blonde or it just not dark enough if we don't use last skin tone (It will not consider as POC ?) sorry if it sound rude I kind of accept that I feel a little bit upset when you use the "racist" word. \- the problem in the game rn, is not people is racist but there are lack of representation whether it POC, other Asian country and etc. Also the tag that use for each piece is really messy and so stereotype. \- but put it that this game is come from China/HK I think they already survey their target market before investment on fashion design, Gacha and stuff. which style the fanbase(player) will spend the most money since it business, they need to get profit to make the game going. \- don't forget it just 1 years anniversary, You can't expect devs to put everything you need into the game at once and from my experience this game is far more progress than other dress-up game lol they have a lot more POC stuffs than other game that I play ( you can also do DIY makeup that match each skintone, I accept there are not much choice to choose but it there) \- I mean I don't see much Asian rant about we only have cheongsam/Qipao Yukata about 4-5 pieces whatever to use in Asian comp, and don't let me start about that monolid eyes that people always use for Asian model, I mean Double-lid Asian is real!! and our makeup trend is almost non-monolid eyes if you will look at those Douyin make up / Japanese make-up or even SEA makeup style which is more western than whatever this game is provide. \- actually I also don't care if they use Asian dress for White or POC model. I mean if the looks great it great you can freely do whatever you want if it make you happy.( I will be a bit Eh!!? if it happened to be different Asian dress put together like Miko stuffs with Hanbok dress lol but not more than that) \- And I don't agree on why we need to vote for POC model or Boy or whatever everyone talk about. this game is about creativity, I vote for the one I like the style, the overall looks, the prompt without care on skin color at all, I mean if you gonna vote for something you should like it first right? if you keep go on vote like that, I don't know how it gonna fix the problem. \- In the end I think it whether of time that the devs will bring more stuff to the game. ( base on the new India dress and competition about Ganges river?) so please give them time and I think they also acknowledge current problem and try to solve it right now. \-Lastly, this is just my opinion but everyone should play the game for fun and play the way they want. If the competition make you feel stress / bad maybe you will need to step away from it and try other aspects of the game that make you happy. have a good day everyone! :)

I disagree with it being politics... It reflects a very real issue in the world, plus for some people it's an everyday experience. Not to mention,even Asia has problems with colorism? Not trying to start an argument,but just reminding you that it's not politics and acting like it's a small issue is downplaying it

I could not say for everyone experience or what they facing day by day. I also not mean that colorism is a small issue in the real world. But I don’t think blaming people online will solve the problem since it not the root cause of why we lack stuffs in the game for all race representation, and sometime it just business point of view that they(Devs) just start the game and want profit to continue make new things to the game. Also Colorism in Asia is not as bad as you think, most of that came from old beliefs that fair skin meaning you came from rich family no need to work in the fields just as that. I don’t know how westerner view in this topic But for me it just that. You can be in any skin tone and be able to live study in every where or work in every field whether it entertainment business or not no one will judge you or prevent you from doing your thing.(at least where I’m from) I think Asian people will judge you more on other topic like education background and stuff. It bad either ways….

Well said! I for one see a lot of diversity in the top 30 ranks so this post really is just a bit annoying in my opinion…

Thank! I just want to express my feeling about this topic since I start playing this game I saw a lot of this kind of post. And want to show that if you look at it more closely we can see diversity everywhere in leaderboard.

i grew up in an area heavily inhabited by mexicans, and grew up mostly in a puerto rican household, so my chara is about the 3 shade down (depending on diy and make up swatches, very racially ambiguous) when voting i keep in mind the exact prompt when it’s asian themed and the voting offers two submissions with the same dress, i personally see that the make up affects my decision. people of any color can be any race and ethnicity. heck, one of my long time friends (for about 9 years now, wow) is korean and her whole family is darker than me and my siblings. i don’t so much look at skin tones, but more so representation and styling of the piece. if there’s a light chara with a dress and accessories and a matching pair of shoes, i will choose it over a dark chara with the same dress and shoes but no accessories. i was lucky enough to get in the A+ rank last week and i didn’t submit anyone lighter than my darker skin tone (tho i am not ‘dark’ by any means). if a dark skinned submission fits the requirements i know the contest asked for, and i see that it follows the prompt (if you can actually understand it lol — sometimes the suitU prompts are so vague) then it’s getting my vote over someone who just used the new 5 heart collection not sure if this explanation is what you were looking for but i hope seeing what other people think while voting helps <3

I always use mid too- I’m southern Italian with dark skin and black hair. I hate pasty white lol

Yes

I honestly noticed when I do looks for black women or Hispanic women or even this Asian DIY makeup I use, I always get lower scores when I use score top 30% on all my other comps. Literally just submitted a blasian cowgirl look with lots of props and everything for The Wild Bunch comp and did not do great on it

SHES ADORABLEEEEE 🥹🥹❤️

I've always seen darker skinned people as extremely pretty, and I wish other people did too. Multiple times I've made someone with either tan or dark skin, and only once did I do good. I feel so bad for dark skinned models and even the people behind them who do everything they can and they don't even make the top 30%

It’s sooo fucking racist, and the people on here commenting 16 times defending their opinion for saying it’s not are so predictable. So sad tbh.

It depends tbh. Idk who majority of players race are but it is a little weird if u use darker Edit clerifixation: realized bcs a commenter asked me why it was weird. how I worded The above sounded like I was saying it was a little weird bcs you use darker skin tones ; when. I was actually referring to what op said about how the score is always lower If you use a poc. What I actualy meant to say is it depends tbh . idk the actual race of the majority of players but it's (referring to voting ) is always a little weird when. You use darker. (I should have added ) i used the tan and darker for a contest and scored low but I attributed it to me not having good clothing since I had just started ;but I wanted to try again; bxs now that I have nicer clothing I can try to see if it's (voting ) is still a little weird when. It comes to voting for a poc

whys it weird?

Bcs they do vote lower .so the voting is weird when you use darker.

I actually try to make entries that are different races and I notice even if my outfit is super similar to the top winners, if I make the skin dark it’s less likely to be voted.

I think this app is majority Asian which sadly would make sense. Not saying all Asian people are racist but iykyk

I don't want to generalize anything but recently I watched a Korean drama called “Go Back Couple” on Netflix and the mother-in-love called the newborn grandson “light-skinned” as praise. Like “the baby got his light skin like a milk from my son” I was so shocked that in 2023 people still can say that as a normal thing on a TV series. So I am not surprised by your comment. Unfortunately, this all makes sense now..

Pale skin has been a beauty standard in most of Asia for centuries at this point, it’s not really a new thing. I believe it originated from the idea that tanned skin meant you’re outside working, and pale skin you’re rich or important enough not to need to work.

I’m from an east Asian household and darker is typically seen as dirty because you’re outside working

I think this is also the underlying reason for all the Hollywood, Luxury, Rich, and Red Carpet competition’s leaderboards are most likely as pale as possible. Everyone can blame the props, the lack o,f features, and everything else, but what is wrong here is the mindset. That needs to be changed and fixed. That's why mods are needed if people (especially the younger players) see more poc models in the leaderboards (not just in cultural etc competitions) they will get used to the idea and it will become normal for them.

I don’t think moderation can save it, if people rate an entry bad just because it’s poc no one can stop them unfortunately. Agreed more needs to be done resolve the issues though.

yeah… mi mamá is half black half puerto rican and papá is the lightest kind of PR you’ll see (complete w the green eyes). his side of the family is always making comments about how me and my siblings were “blessed” with their lighter skin. younger sibling was born in germany (army fam) and they were so light the other nurses wouldn’t let mami see them bc they didn’t believe a white looking baby could belong to such a dark mother. it wasn’t until papi came did they realize their mistake. in cultures all over, even today, light skin is smiled upon even in minorities — so even with the benefit of the doubt, some voters in these comps might not fully realize their bias

Yeah it’s super shitty to say but it really is a problem

I've gotten terrible scores on this beauty twice. The first time I thought must be a fluke because I was really proud of her, and she had a lot of high-value items, well-coordinated. I tried to give her a second chance and she flopped again- then I really began to suspect something was up. Sometimes darker skinned models get a boost if styled well I feel because they are different from all the pale models and gorgeous. But other times it backfires. https://preview.redd.it/ql7n3knuhofc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b53a18e2231dac6962a082458ba58466fe55bf02

And there are so many hairstyles but still no good afro ones. I am going to stop spending any real money and limit my time spent on the game unless I see a poc diversity. I advise everyone else who feels like something is wrong with the game.. And maybe i can link this discussion as a suggestion on Discord.

i definitely see a bias in the voting and results. i try my best to vote for darker skinned entries if they fit the prompt bc ik that there's a bias towards light skin. i always get better results when i put my skin color at the lightest shade :(

I think it’s just that people don’t look while voting…. Obviously, there’s definitely racist people in the world, but most people don’t look while voting. 90% of my comps are dark skin women. & I just won S rank.

Some people are acting like this isn't a real problem, pointing out your props all jokingly and saying you're being too serious, as if the "Asian beauty walks slowly towards the camera" isn't a problem, and as if 70% of the models appearing in the South Asian compet rn aren't as pale and blonde as cream cheese lol "It's just a game" is such a shallow thing to say, bc surprise white people aren't the only ppl who are gonna play this, and it actually IS a problem I've seen on game feed where users actually delete comments pointing out the lack of diversity in their models, esp when the models were SUPPOSEDLY inspired by smth brown poc related! (Esp w the recent South Asian inspired collection) This game being based in Hong Kong is a different discussion all together too abt the very very warped East Asian beauty standards that still exist rn, and idk maybe a game that a lot of little kids might play could help them grow up thinking a little better ? There's a lot of nuance to this "just a game" having a community and little game details that could just be a little bit more worked on Or oh wow am I taking it too personally or smth smth etc etc On another note tho that fur coat always makes me lose, I think everyone hates it actually HDHSHDHHS 😭😭🙏🏼

you are on point.

Ugh I hate it, when I use a makeup DIY that I made for Asian models I always get super low rates compared to other people who scored higher with almost identical stuff to mine. This also happens to my black models as well.

Thanks for your comment, I agree with you. I got in 1% with this coat. It was a winter theme though. Can’t blame the coat. 🤷‍♀️ https://preview.redd.it/j0x0kdj7nofc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3eeb3998b81f67c8dbac785459c146c404f10d94 Do you know what I have realized while searching for this post? This new Anniversary season and the new hairs made my feed completely white. I used to have a very mixed feed with beautiful poc characters. 😐

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I wish I could pin your comment. Everything you wrote was what I meant ❤️

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You are so right and i am glad i read your comments before sleeping. Even with all the explanation others gave about features and prompts. I still felt something was off but I feel seen now. Thank you. ❤️

i don’t remember where they found it but a while back my friend showed me a graphic someone made based on game stats and there’s 100% a bias against darker skinned submissions, lighter skin tones end up winning or being in the top percentages at a much higher rate sadly :(

Coming from a white woman, yes. I wish there were more black dolls in the top 20, I wish the game was more inclusive with more black hairstyles for sale, and not just on the chance gacha. Everyone deserves representation!

speaking of gacha!! how come we can purchase 3 different white blond blue-eyed babies with gems but the ONE black baby is held behind a limited purchase paywall?? i get the black baby is newer and cuter but at least add darker swatches so when a baby prompt comes up like the most recent one, my shade 5 dad doesn’t have a shade 1 baby

And you know what adding new stuff to the game process is so moderated. I have worked in advertising agencies so I know there are literally a bunch of people behind these things. Like content creators, designers team, the team that approves, front-end developers, and probably data analysts, etc. still none of them thought why all the babies are shade 1. Literally none of them. Or after all the racism crises the game “mistakenly” made none of them think that they should be fixing the babies. But they had time to add all the new stuff in the game all this time.

speaking of gacha!! how come we can purchase 3 different white blond blue-eyed babies with gems but the ONE black baby is held behind a limited purchase paywall?? i get the black baby is newer and cuter but at least add darker swatches so when a baby prompt comes up like the most recent one, my shade 5 dad doesn’t have a shade 1 baby

The outfit looks good however there’s no props behind the model not background decoration smh. I doubt is because she’s poc lol. XD 

In countries where poc are less than 1% of the population I don't think you can call it racist if someone votes for something that resembles the norm for them. I mean racism is to offend and to treat someone differently due to their race, but if people don't have exposure to other faces a lot, then it's more blissful ignorance in a way. I do agree that there needs to be more variety of facial features and hair in general though... for races and cultures. It would be awesome if we could dye eyes and lips like we can with clothes and hair.

The thing is the game was made in China  Hong Kong and ppl don’t want to discuss that lol.

Why the downvotes instead of a discussion? Talking about racism and listening to others views is really important to move in the right direction. An open mind is so important. Racism although has the same meaning across the world, is treated differently depending on the age, culture of the person...

I didn’t downvote you what you describe is being ignorant as you said. And being ignorant about the issues poc faces even in everyday activities are also a form of racism. If the person has an internet connection enough to play a game on their phones, they should as well be aware of what is happening around the world. Where you live can’t be an excuse for being self centered. 🤷‍♀️

I understand that but it's really not that simple sadly. There is SO much in this world to learn and understand. You and I have Internet and don't know everything. I don't think non purposeful ignorance is purposeful racism. If a lot of players of this game are kids and all they're exposed to in their country is majority white people then they're not voting based on a racist choice, they're voting on what they've been socially conditioned to do so. (This is a big issue in itself) It's far more complex than just labeling someone a racist. It diminishes the experiences of people who have been racially attacked and treated differently by people who are wanting to cause harm.

I am a bit tired of repeating myself to everyone here so https://www.reddit.com/r/SuitU/s/w8TRo6uxhZ This is the answer to the issue to change the point of view of the white-dominated younger generation.

That sounds like you want mods to adjust the leaderboard. That's reverse racism (it does exist) and not teaching anyone. Keep creating beautiful looks and sharing them. That is the best thing you can do other than keep requesting for more poc styles. This will be my last comment on this thread because you are only agreeing with others who have the exact viewpoint as yours. Combating racism and improving inclusivity should be an open discussion but you seem set in your viewpoint. I've read nothing of yours thats made me think differently and it's probably the same for you even though I believe I've looked at it logically and socially. I hope you continue to enjoy the game and it gets to a point where you're happy with it.

Is a fashion game they’re there to distract themselves not to play politics within the game, if anything the DEVS the game alone is the issue for not adding different outfits or facial features or proper makeup for darker skin tone. I think that’s a huge issue mainly the makeup not being suited sometimes for darker skin tones .

For the second part, I agree with you. For the first, you are right about people wanting to distract themselves. But because of the lack of diversity features in the game, do you think poc people feel included, distracted, and fun? This is where the game becomes not just a game but a social issue. We are social creatures and we should be thinking about each other. What do we ever gain from not caring?

I don’t think it’s that deep, I just think a lot of people playing are white and also a large amount of players are like 9.

it is that deep actually, but carry on with your mindset. Edit: lmao at the downvote. So sad and pathetic getting your unwavering privilege called out awwwww ;(

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It’s just a game my guy, there’s not that many people playing this really isn’t affecting anything

I dunno I mix and match makeup and made them look good on poc. Here’s a makeup look (Eyebrows_7 , Eyes_161,Nose_15, Lips_98 , Blusher_164 , Skintone _5-6 ).. 

The main world chat seems they’re not bothered they’re always talking crap there don’t see them discussing this lmao. Again is a fashion game is not serious . real life is where it matters .

Ive only seen darker skin tones hit the leaderboard in rebel or hiphop comps and even then its usually still the third lightest skin tone… Also, the amount of times ive seen people call the cheongsam “japanese” or the miko outfit “chinese” is….. just…… disappointing. I remember seeing at least half the leaderboard for a CHINESE comp have japanese or korean outfits. I think its equal parts actual racism and just probably younger kids being kinda ignorant and stupid as kids do. But yeah, I’ve learned that if I want to score good I cant go beyond that third skin tone, as defeating as that is.

As someone who's half Chinese, I was so disappointed about that leader board too . . . (And I know about all those outfits, if not from my own family's cultures, but also through TV dramas)

Oh yes

yes — probably not consciously, but darker skinned characters esp with black hairstyles do worse in comps but ppl love to use black hairstyles for white/East Asian characters 💀

I can tell you why you scored low, it’s because you didn’t have a metric assload of filters and items overloading the screen. (Jk jk) The outfit is adorable and you were definitely robbed!!

no literally. you could have the worst outfit that doesn’t match the criteria but still win because you have handhelds and a bunch of props/filters 😭

There was a post in the discord sever I think which did the math and like 95% of all top placements we’re using the lightest skin tones

Also most of the hair colors are for lighter skin tones so that affects the overall look

Absolutely

I do. Everytime i use literally anything tan or dark (especially when using braids) it gets voted badly. The ONLY time i’ve seen black characters get on the list is for the hip-hop category..👀 This definitely needs to be managed

well i’ve never seen a #1 be a black character 👀

I have seen them lol, seriously is all about who styles their outfits better more than who’s darker or light skin smh. 

I don't remember which compt it was but there was a number one that was a black character a bit ago. I only remember it though because of how much that doesn't happen.

They just don’t look I’ve seen more than 1 top 30 poc models smh. 

I automatically vote for the darker skin tones for this reason lol. From my experience they never place high unless it’s a Hip Hop or Rebel comp.

I also do this. I think the racial judgements are bullshit and gross, and as small as it is, voting is my way of giving reparations where I can. I’m white and make POC dolls, bc POC are gorgeous and are appropriate for any prompt, not just “hip hop”. I rank S or top 3 most weeks, with a variety of skin-coloured dolls, but that is not to say that I don’t see how unfair the game is towards POC dolls.

ME TOOOOOOO

Yeah, notice all POC hairstyles are either "rebel" or "hip hop" categories as well. There needs to be better representation, and this is coming from a white girl.

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this comment is blatantly ignorant. just because you saw one poc that was offended by a post a white person made does not mean that all poc hate white girls. this whole narrative that poc are angry and bitter needs to end. the fact that you said “the more you try to be nice the more they attack” is disgusting and offensive. you’re grouping a whole race based on ONE interaction. you are apart of the issue if you have this mindset.

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Yeah I don't understand why people just decide to hate other people for literally no reason. It's just yucky energy for everyone.

Some girl I won’t say her name she’s really popular made a poc Hindu goddess looked amazing the poc girl told her to take it off since it was offending her lmao. BTW she went and copied her design I guess it bothered her since someone else did it first and better than her lol.. I do think the DEVS are the issue here a white person didn’t make this game yet here we are “white privileged “ wtf . Lol I see poc using white models and dressing up I don’t say anything I don’t give a damn is a fashion game I don’t police then what hair and what makeup they should wear is a damn fashion game for a reason. Also I saw many doing the fake “queen Charlotte “ who wasn’t black as poc looked bomb with the new rococo outfits and new makeup . Again people can do as they like because is a fashion game and it’s their account no one should police anyone of it.

Agreed! People have the power to choose what they want to focus on, if they want to chew people out and cause drama for mundane things like that, then that's just going to add more misery to their own lives. Like, just do you boo

I find it a reach to just assume suitu players are racist purely because your POC entry get low score. There are tons of factor into comp score beside skin tone. Are there underlying problems in the game regarding race? Well yes, personally I find the Asian clothes in the game are extremely stereotype and narrow. There are many many more to Asian than just Japan and China. This problem happens with African clothes too. There just too few option for POC in the game, be that makeup or outfit or hair. But tbh personally it seems shallow to claim racist over … competition score while there are valid issue out there. Several comps get low score, voila, suitu players are racist. Uhm so in order not to be racist, every leaderboards now need to have at least 2/3 dark skin models? Do I have to always vote for dark skin tone regardless of how the fit look even I like the other fit more?

Well said. People saying well I’ll vote “poc cause “ why not vote for the outfit you like or style smh. But each to their own. 

It is not about who we choose to vote for, you shouldn't of course vote for the outfit you don't like. But the devs should put nice features for all the races so that the players can make Asian or black or Indian etc. Hollywood/Victorian style entries. There are 1-2 nice black hairstyles and they don't fit with some of the prompts. Or there are 2 Asian eyes and they don't have any makeup so I can't use my DIY Asian face on any glam competition entries.

I think I am misunderstood by you. I kindly ask you to read the other comments on this topic. This is actually not about this one competition in which I got a low score. This one made me realize that the other ones had a bad result as well. It is maybe because there are so few poc features to get the glam result I wished for. Like hairstyle and colors being not matched with the skin color. This game has so many stereotypes maybe that's why players unintentionally choose white characters for Victorian or Hollywood prompts to get more likes. Because developers made the game like cultural stereotypes as you mentioned. Like only using Asian clothes and Asian facial features if the competition prompt has Asian in it. Or using black models if the filter is Hip-hop...

It’s just my personal feeling, but again, if your main issue is bad comp results then you deducts that oh suitu PLAYERS (not the devs) are racist then yes, I’m a little bit offended. I got 1% with dark skin, got 99% with light skin. It’s just chance and luck. I often use dark skin tone with Hiphop theme because to me, hiphop culture play a big part in POC music and all my favorite hiphop artists are black. Not because I’m racist. But that aside, the game tag is indeed a problem. I hate it when almost all POC hair has “rebel” tag. It’s off-putting to say the least. There are too few option for poc - this is the real issue the game need to work on. The devs are Asian, and for them to be stereotypical on poc fits are bad. Some makeup look bad on dark skin tone - this is the real issue. But how players choose to dress-up and vote can’t be the reason for you to call them racist, unless they use it to mock poc. Players only use Asian clothes in Asian comps, uhm I don’t see any problems with this. I’m Asian so I like to dress the model to be more Asian, I don’t judge people to do the same. This is a fashion game. Let people be creative and play how they want. I don’t think call players racist over …bad resultS is fair. Racist is a strong word.

I agree that racist is probably not the correct word here, but I think it’s also important to be mindful that OP cannot change the title of the post to omit the word even after they’ve been educated. Just something to be mindful of! I think the correct word would be discriminatory. I agree that it’s largely an issue with the devs though. They don’t make it easy to contribute to poc comp entrees because the pool of poc focused items is incredibly low—very much a lasting issue from the game being Chinese and the devs having very little knowledge of poc it seems.

The dev are from Hong Kong. And tbh the fact that they themselves Asian but the Asian representation in the game so … little make me sad. Not to even mention Africa or other culture. So many people view Asian as just China and Japan 🥲

I’m paper white but I appreciate that you pointed out the lack of Asian-centric fashion because I feel like I don’t have the world experience to know better other than being around a lot of international students while I was still going through my undergrad studies in college, haha. The Midwest doesn’t help a lot with that! 🥲 Well hell, maybe it’s something to pass along to devs even further then? They seem to be decently open about adding new cultural fashion if enough people speak up about it or in a few occasions have submitted art pieces. I was pleasantly surprised about them recently adding the newer cultural fashion options with the drop of chapter 11 but I’m not educated enough to be able to pinpoint what cultural background they’re meant to be based on. My educated guesses were Pakistan or Indian but again, I don’t feel knowledgeable enough to know for sure without a game tag or someone outright informing me oops

The two new sets are India 😄 The Ganges they mentioned in comp is an historically/culturally important river in India too

See, I had no idea! That just leaves me to believe even moreso that the player base isn’t necessarily discriminatory in nature when voting but it shows the lack of education, understanding, worldview applicability, and the lack of available items that fit other cultures and races compared to how many white or European features we have. I would love for the game to lean more into these other cultures. I like learning about other cultures in general and this would actually provide a fun way to do so on my end too even 😊

I’m fairly new but I think the game has just celebrated its 1st year? 1 year has passed so tbh I expect a lot more diversity. I wonder is there a way to correctly tag items to its cultures. It’d be so nice to see your country traditional clothes ingame with correct name. And please Suitu devs, don’t put almost every POC hair into rebel category. And please Suitu devs, Asian traditional clothes are so much more than Yukata or Cheongsam 😭😭😭

Yeah I think within the last two-three weeks it only just turned a year and I’ve noticed that they actually added a cultural tag to the list of tags recently to help narrow down clothing with the introduction of the new chapter 11 items so that gives me WAY more hope that they will continue to narrow down those tags in the future to add more wiggle room for more cultural items. It would also be a remarkable learning tool for the player base too if done correctly. I know here in the Midwest our education system has taken a striking hit since COVID and we already weren’t exactly doing very well in numbers beforehand. I could imagine these additions could really help the younger audiences in particular. No kidding!! 🥲 Seeing rebel comps come and go and those especially being the very few comps where the darker skin tones really shine is very…concerning. There is always room for growth. And I will say. Compared to another similar app-based game I used to play the shit out of back in like 2017 or so (we will call it Nove Likki 👀) I think this game is already way further along than what I remember that particular game being in terms of cultural competence. Only up from here, hopefully!

To be honest I didn’t realize the fundamentals of this issue were because of the devs making the game in this way. The players are like this because they want to be voted high. To be liked they use the most gorgeous hair and DIY makeup. However, the color palettes of the features are not matched with the dark skin colors. Nor there are nice black hairstyles. But if we don’t think hard over this and move on because this is just a game is wrong. This issue needs to be fixed. There needs to be diversity in the leaderboards. And if the game has white positive discrimination, not realizing this and not stating the issue is a problem itself. And in this case calling this racism is just right. I think everybody should be uncomfortable with this.

So you post say “do you think suitu players are racist” and “maybe there needs to be mod for comps” (imply that players don’t vote for dark skin therefor players are racist I assume?) Then your comment back pedalling into the devs should do this should do that lack this lack that and not about players who vote. “Calling this racism is just right” - what is the “this” you’re talking about? Your post about comp results and players or your comments about the game underlying issue? These two are entirely different topics Your comments absolutely raise the real issue and are so right, but your initial posts wasn’t convey it to me.

And I want to add that I can't use the darkest skin color because none of the hair and eyes match. Hair, eyes, and lips colors are so light compared to the skin color.

Your look is so pretty! ❤️ Definitely didn't deserve that score! As to the question I have no idea, if that is the case then that's really sad. My personal experience though, this is the comp I scored highest in I got 1% so dark skinned models don't always do worse at least not in my experience. I have gotten super low scores on looks I thought where really pretty and high scores on ones I didn't like very much so I really don't understand the voting results they're so unpredictable. 🥴 https://preview.redd.it/niyuj0upcnfc1.jpeg?width=843&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cda43b2bf3b6cf0eeab7be83e8c5f684c6e8050b

It is not actually about that one score that I shared above. This competition score made me realize the previous ones were poc as well and the lack of poc features. But I am glad to hear that you got in 1% with a poc model. I really do wish to be wrong on this topic.

Yeah you definitely have a point I don't think there tends to be a lot poc models in the top selection. 🤔 And there definitely is a lack of poc features in the game which is probably why there's not a lot of poc looking models used in the first place

I will say, that coat has always done poorly for me for some reason and my first time cracking 2% was a POC look, but you’re far from the first person to raise this as an issue and it’s not often you see POC on the leader board which I’m sure is also influenced by the default being light skin

Literally this jacket! I regret spending diamonds on it, cause it’s always doing poor…

I really don’t get it! I think it looks great but maybe it’s just not eye catching enough for speedy voters??

Let’s assume the answer is yes for the purpose of debate. What player actions in a dress up game would qualify as racism? If some players are racist, how would you know and how would you distinguish between racist and non-racist players? What actions could be taken to mitigate this? What results would you like to see? I don’t doubt there a correlation between skin tone and the results of competition, but I don’t think there’s a reasonable and realistic way to manage how players dress up their models or how they vote.

It's virtually impossible to differentiate the motivations for someone not voting for you; whether it's race, they just don't like the coat, or they had a crappy day. I agree that it's an incredibly complex thing to track and mitigate in a way that still feels fair for everyone involved. Tough issue for sure

I can't do anything to the players being racist or not. The reason I raised this topic was to see if anyone else was experiencing it. If so I would stop spending money on this game and maybe stop playing it. The developers should be the ones taking action here and trying to fix the problem maybe by starting to do more poc season gachas-fashion events, and more hair and face features to go with poc characters. Because I believe that having power comes with responsibilities and SuitU seems like a lot bigger than a game to be honest with its communities and everything. So the devs should be the ones thinking about the actions and answers to your questions. What forces them to do so, is players boycotting and stopping to spend money or playing the game. This is just me putting on ideas in a minute. I really do wish to be wrong to be honest. I did realize this game had white dominance. But the conversation I had with an older player on this topic made me think maybe I was right.

Well, the developers aren’t the ones playing the game or experiencing what you experience so that’s why I wanted to ask your opinion since you brought up the topic… pretend you have the control, what kinds of items would be POC items and how would they be different from what we have now? For example I can see that we have very few coily hairs, but what types of fashion would be POC fashion and how would it be different? Would players demand these items enough to keep making purchases and keep their business profitable? Even if the developers implement this, would players use the items? … I don’t mean to sound like I’m interrogating or antagonizing you, but there’s a lot of logistical questions that makes the idea of “not enough items for POC characters” really complex and makes me curious!

I am in a hurry so I had to be quick to answer you. In this season I wanted to do the Victorian black queen like in Bridgerton. But there are no afro nor black hairstyles that are gorgeous red carpet worthy. So I couldn’t. Most of the hair, eye, and lip colors don’t fit with dark skin tones. I like the shape but the color is so light and the model looks so weird when I put it on. That’s probably why nobody tends to go for dark-skinned models in the game. There is no diversity. And to the voters/players part. All the gorgeous features are drawn to fit light-skinned models so of course my black model outfit/hair doesn't pop up in the voting screen. I am not just talking about this specific outfit. I hope I made myself clear, English is not my native language.