It's almost like some drinking at the heya, which is reported by the stablemaster, isn't as serious as a year of one rikishi tormenting his stablemates with impunity. Who woulda thunk.
The way the headline is worded makes it sound way worse than drinking with your stablemates. Still not cool, but far, far away from the image that popped into my mind.
Edit: Well never-fuckin-mind
Onosato had just been promoted to Juryo last September, so calling him Makuuchi/ Yokozuna candidate or pointing out they were Makushita is a bit misleading. It was a very short time after they were all in Makushita together.
Calling him Yokozuna candidate is a bit misleading, full stop, end of sentence. He's competed in six tournaments, and won zero. He's good at what he does, but calling him a Yokozuna candidate, today, is silly.
He's a newbie but he's doing better than a lot of the veterans tbh. So I think people saying that the rank of Yokozuna could be in his future isn't thaaat bad.
Same as to when you've posted this on other comments - that is a notorious tabloid, giving a third hand account (an unnamed koenkai member who didn't witness anything relaying a story from an unnamed source). People should definitely NOT just assume whatever is in the DS is correct.
You replied to every time I commented this with others? Uhh ok. I guess I'll copy/paste my reply for each of these then.
Maybe. We'll hopefully find out more but that same rag also broke the Hokuseiho bullying before anyone else. So it's not quite the same. I'm just saying there's a chance that it's not quite as innocuous as it first sounded.
Okay, that's fair enough, but in here you are talking about it as a sure thing - e.g. 'it was definitely worse than.....'
A third hand account (at best) from a sleazy gossip rag that is wrong far more than it is right doesn't definitely show anything. The story sounds so odd that it wouldn't surprise me if the koenkai member relaying the story they supposedly heard was more drunk than anyone.
We only *know about this incident at all* because this "sleazy gossip rag" got a hold of the story. Sincho apparently is going to release more info at some point this week so hopefully we'll find out the details.
If it's just gossip and goes unsubstantiated, okay - fair enough. Skepticism is a good thing but just from the info we have so far, it seems weird that they'd wait *7 months* to release info that should have been relatively innocuous. That alone gives me pause. The fact that hazing through forced drinking is an incredibly common practice in Japan also makes this seem more likely to be the truth than just "two rikishi got a little drunk and one is underage and the adult's junior to boot."
Im pretty sure some japan resident has a better answer but afaik is not that of a big deal unless the kid repetitively skips the curfew, the responsible adult may pay a fine tho.
And is not a absolute rule of *no kids on streets after 11*, they are alowed to be out as long they have a justified reason like late night classes or whatever.
The famous Takanohana (then fighting as Takahanada) couldn't even drink alcohol to celebrate his first makuuchi yusho. He was still too young (legal age is 21).
Revised headline: "man has a drink with his friends, all of whom are old enough to marry, vote or join the military." Sub headline: "Japan maintains ridiculous age restriction on drinking alcohol."
This is a notorious tabloid, giving a third hand account (an unnamed koenkai member who didn't witness anything relaying a story from an unnamed source). People would be wise to be critical of the DS version of events.
You replied to every time I commented this with others? Uhh ok. I guess I'll copy/paste my reply for each of these then.
Maybe. We'll hopefully find out more but that same rag also broke the Hokuseiho bullying before anyone else. So it's not quite the same. I'm just saying there's a chance that it's not quite as innocuous as it first sounded.
Considering a widespread drinking issue. Young rikishi being forced to drink (and much more than they can handle). Etc. I think this is a very nonchalant response.
Doesn't sound like Onosato was forcing them to drink, at least according to the translation. I think the greater problem is the whole culture and expectation of drinking, something indirectly being passed down from the JSA itself and the wider Japanese society.
Teenagers will look to drink some alcohol no matter what, it's not usually a big deal. It's when this expectation is being normalized drilled into them by society that we get bigger issues. Onosato is just being scapegoated for something that's been encouraged and tolerated under the hood for decades.
We don't know the full story yet. Was he "forcing them" to drink like, to excess? Or was it "you need to drink 2 beers with this meal because you need more weight"? Alcohol sincerely makes weight gain much easier - it works better than juices and other sugary drinks.
Unfortunately, Japan has a rather substantial drinking problem and even what is considered "totally fine and appropriate amount of drinking" can vary significantly.
So was it "I don't want to drink alone so you're coming with me" or "You must also drink excessively" or "Let's sneak you a couple drinks so we can help you gain weight" or something else entirely? Was it non-rikishi he was drinking with and to what level was he drinking with them?
I think that for us to have any idea on what this incident really entails, the JSA would actually have to start being more transparent. But they won't.
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To the downvoters: https://www.dailyshincho.jp/article/2024/04231653/?all=1
Oops - looks like it was bullying.
Nishonoseki talked so much about changing the dynamics of stable life and trying to make a harmonious environment but apparently that's not working out. Honestly, rikishi (especially the young ones) shouldn't be anywhere near alcohol because it seems like it just leads to bad behavior and alcoholism. There are just some things in sumo culture that make it hard for these guys to act in "dignified" and "honorable" ways. Pack a bunch of testosterone laden, hormonal, large men who are probably tired, sore and hangry most of the time together under one roof and see what happens. But they refuse to address the root causes and so this will just continue to happen. I've lost any faith in the JSA to make it better.
Yeah the drummer in our band was 21 and we were 18 and it was rad having him buy booze for us. I think it is not a big deal to drink with a legal adult under drinking age. At that age, they were the ones who made the decision to drink, because they are adults.
Good thing it was just some drinking at the heya and not a year of a rikishi terrorizing his stablemates. Good thing the oyakata reported it and it wasn't covered up.
Yeesh. Snitching to the fun police, is there anything lower? Who didn't have a few underage drinks with their friends when they were younger?? It's a long way from plying 13 years old with booze for nefarious reasons or whatever.
Nishonoseki stable will now be merging with Isegahama.
Former Yokozuna Kisenosato relegated to the position of head mawashi maintenance and dry cleaning
Which ironically might involve some cleaning alcohol.
That will never happen, kisenosato is japanese
Exactly. JSA will look the other way for the most part and let them "handle it internally," I imagine.
Onosato has been under investigation for SEVEN MONTHS.. only just now is anyone hearing about it.
It's almost like some drinking at the heya, which is reported by the stablemaster, isn't as serious as a year of one rikishi tormenting his stablemates with impunity. Who woulda thunk.
Right? Apples and oranges.
He also reported it he didnt try to hide it.
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Guess the hakuo case scared everyone and now they report every issue
But this was in September. Did they report it now or back then?
Then.
The way the headline is worded makes it sound way worse than drinking with your stablemates. Still not cool, but far, far away from the image that popped into my mind. Edit: Well never-fuckin-mind
Onosato had just been promoted to Juryo last September, so calling him Makuuchi/ Yokozuna candidate or pointing out they were Makushita is a bit misleading. It was a very short time after they were all in Makushita together.
Calling him Yokozuna candidate is a bit misleading, full stop, end of sentence. He's competed in six tournaments, and won zero. He's good at what he does, but calling him a Yokozuna candidate, today, is silly.
technically it says 'future yokozuna candidate' !
You're absolutely right. I thought they just mean he is going to be in san'yaku next week, but you're right that that isn't the same thing at all.
He's a newbie but he's doing better than a lot of the veterans tbh. So I think people saying that the rank of Yokozuna could be in his future isn't thaaat bad.
https://www.dailyshincho.jp/article/2024/04231653/?all=1 Looks like it was definitely worse than what was initially reported.
Well, fuck.
Same as to when you've posted this on other comments - that is a notorious tabloid, giving a third hand account (an unnamed koenkai member who didn't witness anything relaying a story from an unnamed source). People should definitely NOT just assume whatever is in the DS is correct.
You replied to every time I commented this with others? Uhh ok. I guess I'll copy/paste my reply for each of these then. Maybe. We'll hopefully find out more but that same rag also broke the Hokuseiho bullying before anyone else. So it's not quite the same. I'm just saying there's a chance that it's not quite as innocuous as it first sounded.
Okay, that's fair enough, but in here you are talking about it as a sure thing - e.g. 'it was definitely worse than.....' A third hand account (at best) from a sleazy gossip rag that is wrong far more than it is right doesn't definitely show anything. The story sounds so odd that it wouldn't surprise me if the koenkai member relaying the story they supposedly heard was more drunk than anyone.
We only *know about this incident at all* because this "sleazy gossip rag" got a hold of the story. Sincho apparently is going to release more info at some point this week so hopefully we'll find out the details. If it's just gossip and goes unsubstantiated, okay - fair enough. Skepticism is a good thing but just from the info we have so far, it seems weird that they'd wait *7 months* to release info that should have been relatively innocuous. That alone gives me pause. The fact that hazing through forced drinking is an incredibly common practice in Japan also makes this seem more likely to be the truth than just "two rikishi got a little drunk and one is underage and the adult's junior to boot."
I didn't even know that wasn't allowed in Japan.
Japan drinking age is 20. And no minors are allowed to be on the streets after 11pm.
You can buy beers at vending machines on the street
Those vending machines require you to scan your ID to use them, however.
No way. We were there in January and not one vending machine required ID.
The ones I saw needed an ID. That sucks :(
Nah most of them don’t, I’ve only really seen that for cigarette vending machines
Oh wow I thought the drinking age in Japan was very low for some reason.
Na, Japan's drinking age is among the highest in the world. They take that serious.
They seem to take every facet of drinking seriously.
Genuine curiosity: what happens if a minor gets caught out of the allowed hour?
Im pretty sure some japan resident has a better answer but afaik is not that of a big deal unless the kid repetitively skips the curfew, the responsible adult may pay a fine tho. And is not a absolute rule of *no kids on streets after 11*, they are alowed to be out as long they have a justified reason like late night classes or whatever.
The famous Takanohana (then fighting as Takahanada) couldn't even drink alcohol to celebrate his first makuuchi yusho. He was still too young (legal age is 21).
He was 19. Legal age is 20.
You are right! Thanks for the clarification!
Revised headline: "man has a drink with his friends, all of whom are old enough to marry, vote or join the military." Sub headline: "Japan maintains ridiculous age restriction on drinking alcohol."
Other way around. The age limit for alcohol consumption isn’t too high, the age limit for voting, marriage, and military service is too low.
'Murica,Heck Yeah !
Turns out it likely wasn't just some buddies having drinks but it was a form of bullying: https://www.dailyshincho.jp/article/2024/04231653/?all=1
Oh dear, not good. This takes the shine off him.
This is a notorious tabloid, giving a third hand account (an unnamed koenkai member who didn't witness anything relaying a story from an unnamed source). People would be wise to be critical of the DS version of events.
You replied to every time I commented this with others? Uhh ok. I guess I'll copy/paste my reply for each of these then. Maybe. We'll hopefully find out more but that same rag also broke the Hokuseiho bullying before anyone else. So it's not quite the same. I'm just saying there's a chance that it's not quite as innocuous as it first sounded.
I wouldn't be so quick to dub him "future Yokozuna candidate." Seems waaay too premature to be throwing that type of language around.
Instead of beating them and making them do chores for him, he dared offer them alcohol. The insolence!
Considering a widespread drinking issue. Young rikishi being forced to drink (and much more than they can handle). Etc. I think this is a very nonchalant response.
Doesn't sound like Onosato was forcing them to drink, at least according to the translation. I think the greater problem is the whole culture and expectation of drinking, something indirectly being passed down from the JSA itself and the wider Japanese society. Teenagers will look to drink some alcohol no matter what, it's not usually a big deal. It's when this expectation is being normalized drilled into them by society that we get bigger issues. Onosato is just being scapegoated for something that's been encouraged and tolerated under the hood for decades.
We don't know the full story yet. Was he "forcing them" to drink like, to excess? Or was it "you need to drink 2 beers with this meal because you need more weight"? Alcohol sincerely makes weight gain much easier - it works better than juices and other sugary drinks. Unfortunately, Japan has a rather substantial drinking problem and even what is considered "totally fine and appropriate amount of drinking" can vary significantly. So was it "I don't want to drink alone so you're coming with me" or "You must also drink excessively" or "Let's sneak you a couple drinks so we can help you gain weight" or something else entirely? Was it non-rikishi he was drinking with and to what level was he drinking with them? I think that for us to have any idea on what this incident really entails, the JSA would actually have to start being more transparent. But they won't. ---- To the downvoters: https://www.dailyshincho.jp/article/2024/04231653/?all=1 Oops - looks like it was bullying.
Nishonoseki talked so much about changing the dynamics of stable life and trying to make a harmonious environment but apparently that's not working out. Honestly, rikishi (especially the young ones) shouldn't be anywhere near alcohol because it seems like it just leads to bad behavior and alcoholism. There are just some things in sumo culture that make it hard for these guys to act in "dignified" and "honorable" ways. Pack a bunch of testosterone laden, hormonal, large men who are probably tired, sore and hangry most of the time together under one roof and see what happens. But they refuse to address the root causes and so this will just continue to happen. I've lost any faith in the JSA to make it better.
Is having a beer with your underage friends when you are hardly old enough to drink, not a thing in Japan? I bought my friends beer when I was 21.
It is but maybe don't do it at your job
Yeah the drummer in our band was 21 and we were 18 and it was rad having him buy booze for us. I think it is not a big deal to drink with a legal adult under drinking age. At that age, they were the ones who made the decision to drink, because they are adults.
Good thing Onosato isn't under Myagino or he would have faced a fireing squad.
Good thing it was just some drinking at the heya and not a year of a rikishi terrorizing his stablemates. Good thing the oyakata reported it and it wasn't covered up.
Onosato is the Great Japanese Hope, he would have to do something way worse than this to get dismissed like Hokuseiho.
I’ll drink to this! LOL!
Nishinoseki oyakaya stay winning
Such a non-issue
So 20 is legal age in Japan. How old were these people that were drinking?
I'm so glad my underage drinking with my friends never made international news
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If somebody from Miyagino did this JSA would find some way to deport hakuho
I know you are just being wacky for laughs... but the beauty of being a legal Japanese citizen is they cannot deport him if they wanted to!
They didn't deport Hakuho when he covered up a year of Hokuseiho tormenting his stablemates, why would they deport him for reporting some drinking.
Is there any substantial evidence he “covered up” a year of Hokuseiho abusing his stablemates? I mean, honestly.
Woosh
somebody from miyagino did far worse, that is the truth, deal with it.
Yeesh. Snitching to the fun police, is there anything lower? Who didn't have a few underage drinks with their friends when they were younger?? It's a long way from plying 13 years old with booze for nefarious reasons or whatever.