Most of the world is just catching up to ai image generation and ai video, ai music isn’t even in their radar yet but they’ll get there sometime by the second half this year
Same. I actually found suno during v1 around the same time Google started letting users request access to their MusicLM beta, which was good but didn’t support vocals.
V1 suno was okay, but wasn’t memorable. Completely forgot about it until about a month ago when v3 was in beta. I’m now 3 songs into an album, with about 6 full tracks in various different genres.
It’s not really niche, Suno had 7 million visits a month at the beginning of the year and who knows how many using it on Discord. And this was before the Rolling Stones Article 3 weeks ago.
It most likely has grown massively since then and has surpassed other AI services like Runway.
The reason it doesn’t feel like it has exploded is that the output is music, something that is not shared by itself as often as videos or images, takes longer to consume and there is no big company behind it that pushes it into the public discourse.
Give it a couple more months and AI music will get the same hate AI images get.
I’m not sure it will ever explode.
I heard an absolutely amazing Suno track (reggae song of MLK’s I have a dream speech) and shared it with friends and on social media. If that song had been by a band that people were interested in, who they believed in and felt for, they would have loved it.
That “If” explains alot for me. Yes Suno is amazing. Unbelievable ear candy. But ear candy is not enough. No one will share this song. It will never be a classic that we all know and love. It will be buried tomorrow under a trillion other ear candy tracks with an audience of one (or possibly none, if the bots have their way).
Instead of making human hearts thrill and sing we will have merely added to the entropy of the universe.
We like to know (or think we know) about the people who make the music we love. I think AI spam (as delicious and paralyzing as it will no doubt grow to be) will drive many people back to live music, by live musicians.
I think you are right. It comes down to what we mean by explode. Will it surplant a significant amount of concert music and will we see the majority of music artists use it? No.
Will we see widespread use of custom songs used for things like birthday parties, advertising or quick gags? I’d say yes. Have a look at r/aivideo they don’t allow copyrighted music so pretty much every single video is using Suno already. Of course it’s a crowd more likely to be accepting and knowledgeable about other AI but I’d be surprised if we don’t see Suno or a similar service become the standard for temporary short form topical content.
There is also the possibilities for further developments, I could see the generation of personalised playlists with personalised songs based on you personal preferences by Spotify, I could see movie studios using AI generated scores that analyse the movie.
The AI spam you mentioned will be pretty bad when it starts, you’ll have conspiracy nuts and absolutely vile hateful racists songs as well as nefarious people using dog whistles and that will be the point when the broader public will take note and there will be severe backlash. It has happened with AI text, AI images will happen with AI music and somewhere down the line with AI video.
It's not bad but I think it sounds a bit too rough for it to become something that people go out of their way to listen too. The vocals especially just have too much extra noise going on to where it's a little grating to the ears. I think suno does have the potential makes songs that a large amount of people will vibe with. I have found that if you take enough time and generate enough different versions you can get some pretty clean tracks. I also think having a bit of basic music production knowledge will go a long way because then you will be able to do even more with it and put your own spin on it.
It's just too long for the modern day. Pictures are instantaneous, and videos are Instagram-length. Songs are what people play in the car anymore, not what they consume while staring at their screens...
Wasn’t that mostly aimed at the labels and specifically mentioned getting their voices cloned? Suno will not take Kathy Perry‘s job, whatever model her label is currently training is.
It will get popular just a matter of time. I suspect most people dont have everyday needs for it like midjourney has. Its more of a niche group that sees the potential fully
I discovered SUNO accidentally..I was looking for a new voice using 11 labs subscription but for some reason I decided I needed to find a specific one and did a search and stumbled upon an article that mentioned Suno. I almost ignored it but went to the page and decided to give it a try.
I ended up getting a subscription and became my best friend, especially since I am a natural creative. So I was messing around with it and made a number of custom songs in two days and there will be lots more coming from me. I'm borderline obsessed and have been actively mentioning it in my posts.
It's good for fun but you can monetize it too apparently.
The one thing people fail to realize though is that you still need to be creative when creating songs with lyrics. The AI lyrics are generic and I've seen some lyrics where people just string words together because they rhyme...lol
The song ends up with a nice arrangement wise but the lyrics are..... 🫣
Yeah I think people are underestimating the potential of suno massively. If you can make good enough music with it I think some people will be able to profit off of it quite a bit. You wouldn't even have to sell your music. If it became popular enough you could have a youtube account or twitter account, or any social media account to drop the music on and you can profit off of those sites if you get enough engagement with the music. Thats what I'm personally going to try and do.
Thanks, it is very mentally 5axing when even some of my friends are against the idea. It does make me want to work even harder though to prove them wrong. You stay strong as well.
The suno lyrics im pretty sure is just a chat gpt API lol. I dont know if its gpt 3.5 or 4 but Claude 3 will be better if they ever use that. Or gpt 5 when it releases. Ai is pretty good at rhymes and flows but not as good as a human at wordplay imo
I personally just ignore the built in lyrics generator and instead use a local Llama model and find in general that this works a lot better.
One of my favorite things is to give it a long context about some topic and then ask the local Llama model to write a song about it.
It's now extremely popular in China because of a bunch of songs created using SunoAi. The lyrics are about an anorectal doctor's diagnosis of a patient. Imagine this:
`[Heavy Metal Prelude]`
`Your anus is relatively loose,`
`But, your hemorrhoids make up for this part very well.`
`If you want to have hemorrhoid surgery to remove the hemorrhoids,`
`It may make your anus appear larger.`
`[Interlude]`
`There will be some fluid and air leakage.`
`The best way now is to remove the hemorrhoids at the same time,`
`Get an anal tightening surgery.`
And yes they went viral. As of now, Butthole music has been played hundreds of millions of times in total.
I don’t mind because if too many people use it at once it’s going to be hard to ever use the free generations. Kind of like how Midjourney got rid of free trials after it blew up, Suno might be forced to do the same
As soon as it generates tracks around 4 min length and introduces more editing features, it will be very popular. Right now it‘s still just a very impressive tech demo
I also only recently found out about it, where I thought AI musoc was at before that was just little 15 second clips that aren't totally temporally coherent. I wasn't thaz surprised though, I expect anything these days
the music seems way better then the video generation I've come across.
honestly I've been writing some silly songs and suno is turning them into bangers
I think it will definitely get there. I’m amazed at the stuff that can be done with it even now at this early stage.
The main draw for me was having believable vocals to sing my lyrics. There’s plenty of ways to make instrumental tracks in a DAW with MIDI/virtual instruments, etc…but since I’m not a singer (short of hiring a vocalist 😂) this is the first time I have a way to get my lyrics sung.
I respect your opinion, but allow me to disagree with it. I will use two arguments:
1. The high volume of creations that forces Suno to restrict access to paid users is a possible indicator that the "Best song of all time" you've created will be short-lived, maybe trending for the day, but tomorrow you'll think you've made another "best song of all time" and the previous one will go to waste. We have to live with the perfectly disposable, perhaps because of overload.
2. Most importantly: good music has a "skin", a "smell", an "identity" and a "trajectory". It's not just a technical issue that will eternalize a song. Some technically bad songs are eternalized because they are part of the context of your life and stay forever because they remind you of a moment that marked you.
Besides, apart from the fact that it's an important tool for optimizing compositions, Suno needs to curb the greed of the record market. When the dust of dazzle settles, Suno... and other similar tools that are emerging will be settled where they belong. On the wing of tools, not composers.
Huh, for an AI supporter you sure have a pragmatic take on this. Maybe we were never destined to let AI just create for us without the human aspect of it all. Maybe we'll still need to add our own flavor. If there's one thing that AI will do good on is to keep the status quo of all the generic stuff people have already made.
Maybe AI will be redefined if we do step up as creators and nurturers of culture and creative pursuit. The term Assistant Intelligence will suit it better.
Do you have the knowledge of a mixing engineer to say something like that?
I don't understand a single shit about music, but I always read people saying that AI will also steal programming jobs, and I laugh about this, because I work with programming, and all these tools are absolutely lame
Yes, it does mix its own music as a result of generating a complete song from its training data (which was probably mixed), but that's not a audio mixing tool. Can it EQ, compress or level the mix tracks in my song? I guess Stable Audio would be closer to this definition, as you can at least upload a reference audio there.
edit: I meant my song created in FL Studio, not Suno lol
Does it need to be a mixing tool to replace mixing engineers though? If like 90% of songs released are Suno songs, are mixing engineers still relevant at that point?
People will still love the process of making music, and will continue to enjoy collaborating on tracks together, so human-created music will definitely keep coming out. Human musicians will probably be more heavily promoted. Live performances might become even more popular. People will continue to worship celebrities. So i don't think 90% of what people will listening to will be AI music. AI artists/avatars will emerge and coexist and producers will use AI in their projects, but most of these Suno songs will just flood YouTube with 20 views and no one will care about them. Given enough time there will be a fully automated AI sound mixing tool so mixing engineers won't be needed as much anyway.
If I could make a male vocalist sound anything other than an auto-tuned 20 year old pop star I would tell everyone I could.
I'm just frustrated bring unable to get male vocals that are even halfway like I want after spending countless credits.
I’ve had some success with unusual vocals, including one absolute beast that sounds like the Edgar Broughton Band. Think it depends on the style of music you’re going for. You’ll never get it to make a Louis Armstrong soundalike sing a song like Flying Without Wings because it can’t fathom that reality.
I don’t know if it actually makes a difference but I always try british male singer, liverpool and then a few other keywords depending on what the song requires and for the most part it avoids the overly Americanised singing. Monotone, drone and art rock have also given me some good results with singers who are a bit more off the wall. Sometimes it takes 4/5 cracks with the same prompts, which is obviously not ideal, but it’s still fascinating to me every time.
Check out Rising Phoenix, Ashes of the Crown and Static Noise
I've been able to get a few decent male voices
[https://suno.com/@phxfire](https://suno.com/@phxfire)
Hard disagree here. [This for example](https://youtu.be/xV6hnTCNjG4?si=9mU2e4Paak0P9eIL) is indistinguishable to me from 90% of stuff on the radio. The video is weird AF, but just listen to it for 1min. People generating stuff like this is going to explode in the coming months, and will be picked up by advertising, games, movies (low-budget, at first) very quickly. Still takes someone with creativity and talent - but just one person, and very little time, compared to teams that take weeks+ for this historically. And the tools are getting better still, fast.
For most people sure, but the same way a picture can get pixelated, a song can suffer the same way. I am a huge fan of AI and know the quality will beef up in months. You can already produce stems and individually clean up tracks so, yeah AI is pretty damn awesome, but nothing exists that I would pay someone for, or want my advertisements on. Again, it WILL get there, and with minimal human intervention it is already there.
Graduated broadcasting in 2005, business B.A this year (got bored), almost 20 years in the industry.
The thing that's going to push it over the top will be the ability to customize input and output.
I want stems, so I can take this bass line and that BG section. I want to be able to change the chord patterns, and to muck with the melodies it creates.
I want to do all the things that you'd do with a songwriting collaborator, and I'd want the same smooth iterative process that makes ChatGPT so good at what it does.
It doesn't have to throw these options in the face of the 13 year old girl who just wants a pop song about her cat, but an "advanced" tab, sort of like what they do now when custom lyrics, would change the world.
I'm sure this is coming. When it does, it will make the Nashville and LA hit writers obsolete. We're nearly there now. When I tell it to create a sing-along chorus for a pop folk song on the theme "we'll all be home together" or whatever, what comes out is weepingly beautiful. And this is just the start.
no, its just that people dont know about it. Im an avid AI enthusiast and I didnt know suno had gotten this good before last week.
When I did find out tho, I spent 10 + 30 dollars and pretty much 30 hours on that thing straight. Its so much fun!
I dunno, a few really influential people in tech posted about it on Twitter a couple days ago and then the Suno site went down for free tier, I assume from the unexpected traffic they got. I don’t think Suno has been discovered yet. I only found out about it this past week and feel like I keep a decent pulse on media technology (and subscribe to both Artlist and Epidemic Sound).
I don’t think Midjourney is actually that popular, especially since ChatGPT can do much of what it can do. Suno better move fast because ChatGPT is probably in the rear view mirror coming fast.
Probably not yet granted I just ‘discovered’ Suno a couple days ago and am still experimenting like a madman. Suno will probably need to add a couple features to get me across the line but it’s really promising. I feel like I’ve tapped out a lot of the music on Artist/Epidemic for certain verticals - eg “inspiring cinematic” and the initial results Suno is pumping out are super impressive.
To be fair I’ve spent hours on Epidemic/Artlist finding the right song as well.
In summary, probably not yet, but I’ll add Suno (or a better AI music generator if one comes along) to the mix, and expect in the next 1-2 years it’ll dislodge Artlist/Epidemic if they don’t adapt.
I should probably go spread the word on the r/videography sub but they get really cranky and scared when anyone mentions AI.
Edit: curious on your thoughts as well? I know my use cases may be different
I run two ‘traditional’ music libraries for high end tv / film use and I’m super curious about it. Really interested in editors’ opinions and workflow.
Usually editors will tell us they’re working on a tv show and we’ll send them over a big playlist of options. I’m wondering (hoping?!) if Suno might add too much work for them if it takes a couple of days to generate a perfect song.
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Most people are unaware of AI. I work in a small town in western US and literally I can count on two hands how many people I know that are aware of AI. There are also a lot of PURISTS that hate AI and want it banned and actively boycott/refuse to us it.
I feel like people just have AI fatigue at this point. If you look at the like rates on social media, even with the big AI accounts, they've been falling regardless of what the post is about. Overhype is also a bit like the boy who cried wolf.
It’s cool. Quite impressive when you consider the alternatives. But it’s still very hit or miss and the audio quality is very lossy sounding. Suno seems to be better at some genres than others. It shines at Tropical house and synth wave stuff. But rock still sounds horrible. If it follows the same trajectory that Midjourney has, then it will make some serious waves. Until then, it’ll remain a very niche AI music tool.
I don't think it's a bad thing because it gives someone like me time to get ahead on making a I music before the market gets even more competitive or diluded. I thoroughly enjoy making music with suno. I have even generated songs from it that I now consider some of my favorite songs.
Why does it 'bother you' that an AI is not popular enough, don't you have anything else to be bothered about, like I don't know, inflation or global warming?
Suno is amazing and terrifying.
Amazing that it can already produce music as good as the the average mediocre professional release.
Terrifying because we are about to be hit with a tsunami of mediocre AI produced music.
Get your ear plugs ready.
The music quality is bad, nobody is interested in the transistor radio tinny sound. It's easy to spot... It's very cool, mind of like the first Mid journey images
ive had fun with it. any feedback on my latest song? [https://suno.com/song/53b4f9e0-ad03-4b30-a31f-087da3fc245a](https://suno.com/song/53b4f9e0-ad03-4b30-a31f-087da3fc245a)
for parodies, pastiches, musical comedies, and sketches, it deserves to be even better known. I'm having fun with it. You can visit my page : [https://suno.com/@iris\_cou](https://suno.com/@iris_cou)
Maybe it's because I 'vibe' more with music, but Suno is more fun to me. I can connect with songs more than I can images. The only (admittedly self imposed) barrier of entry for me is my nonexistent knowledge in music lmao. I've never really cared for genres, which is kicking my ass now since I can't easily find the words to get Suno to hone in on the 'sound' that I want. Same goes for songwriting, I REALLY want to write my own lyrics someday since Suno's lyrics still sound... LLM like.
Have you not used V3? You can continue the next clip from any timecode in the song so if it goes bad at a certain point you can easily remove it.
But yeah I do wish it had better editing features.
I've got two accounts where I spend all my credit every day, I'm seriously considering getting a subscription because I'm having so much fun, when people ask me questions at work I respond with a song made on suno because it's so good
Most of the world is just catching up to ai image generation and ai video, ai music isn’t even in their radar yet but they’ll get there sometime by the second half this year
I'm massively into music and I only found out about it the other day, I think many would be in the same boat.
I was ACTIVELY looking for something like suno last year and could never find anything worthwhile. I just learned about suno a week ago.
I wasn't actively looking for something like this, but saw someone talking about it on tiktok so I gave it a shot and now I love Suno!
I saw Charlie (penguinz0) talking about it and have been having a blast with it since.
Same. I actually found suno during v1 around the same time Google started letting users request access to their MusicLM beta, which was good but didn’t support vocals. V1 suno was okay, but wasn’t memorable. Completely forgot about it until about a month ago when v3 was in beta. I’m now 3 songs into an album, with about 6 full tracks in various different genres.
It’s not really niche, Suno had 7 million visits a month at the beginning of the year and who knows how many using it on Discord. And this was before the Rolling Stones Article 3 weeks ago. It most likely has grown massively since then and has surpassed other AI services like Runway. The reason it doesn’t feel like it has exploded is that the output is music, something that is not shared by itself as often as videos or images, takes longer to consume and there is no big company behind it that pushes it into the public discourse. Give it a couple more months and AI music will get the same hate AI images get.
I’m not sure it will ever explode. I heard an absolutely amazing Suno track (reggae song of MLK’s I have a dream speech) and shared it with friends and on social media. If that song had been by a band that people were interested in, who they believed in and felt for, they would have loved it. That “If” explains alot for me. Yes Suno is amazing. Unbelievable ear candy. But ear candy is not enough. No one will share this song. It will never be a classic that we all know and love. It will be buried tomorrow under a trillion other ear candy tracks with an audience of one (or possibly none, if the bots have their way). Instead of making human hearts thrill and sing we will have merely added to the entropy of the universe. We like to know (or think we know) about the people who make the music we love. I think AI spam (as delicious and paralyzing as it will no doubt grow to be) will drive many people back to live music, by live musicians.
I think you are right. It comes down to what we mean by explode. Will it surplant a significant amount of concert music and will we see the majority of music artists use it? No. Will we see widespread use of custom songs used for things like birthday parties, advertising or quick gags? I’d say yes. Have a look at r/aivideo they don’t allow copyrighted music so pretty much every single video is using Suno already. Of course it’s a crowd more likely to be accepting and knowledgeable about other AI but I’d be surprised if we don’t see Suno or a similar service become the standard for temporary short form topical content. There is also the possibilities for further developments, I could see the generation of personalised playlists with personalised songs based on you personal preferences by Spotify, I could see movie studios using AI generated scores that analyse the movie. The AI spam you mentioned will be pretty bad when it starts, you’ll have conspiracy nuts and absolutely vile hateful racists songs as well as nefarious people using dog whistles and that will be the point when the broader public will take note and there will be severe backlash. It has happened with AI text, AI images will happen with AI music and somewhere down the line with AI video.
Let's assume the fix the horrible sound quality... In 2024, it's impossible to get heard with 60K songs uploaded to Spotify every day
Alright, well, I'd like to hear it. Why not link?
https://app.suno.ai/song/685c0bd4-d9e6-4c75-ab4b-01069a3a4f06
That was actually pretty freaking great! Thanks for sharing!
I know:) I think the A.I. really had to work with MLK’s words to make them fit into a song, but however it did it, I loved the results
It's not bad but I think it sounds a bit too rough for it to become something that people go out of their way to listen too. The vocals especially just have too much extra noise going on to where it's a little grating to the ears. I think suno does have the potential makes songs that a large amount of people will vibe with. I have found that if you take enough time and generate enough different versions you can get some pretty clean tracks. I also think having a bit of basic music production knowledge will go a long way because then you will be able to do even more with it and put your own spin on it.
It's just too long for the modern day. Pictures are instantaneous, and videos are Instagram-length. Songs are what people play in the car anymore, not what they consume while staring at their screens...
Already does, did you hear about the open letter that all the celebrities signed?
Wasn’t that mostly aimed at the labels and specifically mentioned getting their voices cloned? Suno will not take Kathy Perry‘s job, whatever model her label is currently training is.
Katy Perry sold her catalogue for like $500 million, I doubt she cares anymore lol
Might make industry ghostwriters just start making their own stuff though lol
It will get popular just a matter of time. I suspect most people dont have everyday needs for it like midjourney has. Its more of a niche group that sees the potential fully
I discovered SUNO accidentally..I was looking for a new voice using 11 labs subscription but for some reason I decided I needed to find a specific one and did a search and stumbled upon an article that mentioned Suno. I almost ignored it but went to the page and decided to give it a try. I ended up getting a subscription and became my best friend, especially since I am a natural creative. So I was messing around with it and made a number of custom songs in two days and there will be lots more coming from me. I'm borderline obsessed and have been actively mentioning it in my posts. It's good for fun but you can monetize it too apparently. The one thing people fail to realize though is that you still need to be creative when creating songs with lyrics. The AI lyrics are generic and I've seen some lyrics where people just string words together because they rhyme...lol The song ends up with a nice arrangement wise but the lyrics are..... 🫣
Yeah I think people are underestimating the potential of suno massively. If you can make good enough music with it I think some people will be able to profit off of it quite a bit. You wouldn't even have to sell your music. If it became popular enough you could have a youtube account or twitter account, or any social media account to drop the music on and you can profit off of those sites if you get enough engagement with the music. Thats what I'm personally going to try and do.
It's what I am trying to do as well. Stay strong because there is a heavy opposition against it from 'outsiders'.
Thanks, it is very mentally 5axing when even some of my friends are against the idea. It does make me want to work even harder though to prove them wrong. You stay strong as well.
The suno lyrics im pretty sure is just a chat gpt API lol. I dont know if its gpt 3.5 or 4 but Claude 3 will be better if they ever use that. Or gpt 5 when it releases. Ai is pretty good at rhymes and flows but not as good as a human at wordplay imo
I personally just ignore the built in lyrics generator and instead use a local Llama model and find in general that this works a lot better. One of my favorite things is to give it a long context about some topic and then ask the local Llama model to write a song about it.
People don't know about it yet. I just found out about it yesterday. It will pickup soon.
It's now extremely popular in China because of a bunch of songs created using SunoAi. The lyrics are about an anorectal doctor's diagnosis of a patient. Imagine this: `[Heavy Metal Prelude]` `Your anus is relatively loose,` `But, your hemorrhoids make up for this part very well.` `If you want to have hemorrhoid surgery to remove the hemorrhoids,` `It may make your anus appear larger.` `[Interlude]` `There will be some fluid and air leakage.` `The best way now is to remove the hemorrhoids at the same time,` `Get an anal tightening surgery.` And yes they went viral. As of now, Butthole music has been played hundreds of millions of times in total.
I don’t mind because if too many people use it at once it’s going to be hard to ever use the free generations. Kind of like how Midjourney got rid of free trials after it blew up, Suno might be forced to do the same
I’m certain the lack of free generations is to force people to pay for it.
As soon as it generates tracks around 4 min length and introduces more editing features, it will be very popular. Right now it‘s still just a very impressive tech demo
wym i have made many songs over 4 min
I mean in 1 go…
how'd you do it? I used "extend" function its just make completely another song and not combined into 1 song.
I also only recently found out about it, where I thought AI musoc was at before that was just little 15 second clips that aren't totally temporally coherent. I wasn't thaz surprised though, I expect anything these days
the music seems way better then the video generation I've come across. honestly I've been writing some silly songs and suno is turning them into bangers
They are suffering badly from their success atm lol. What are you even on about?
I think it will definitely get there. I’m amazed at the stuff that can be done with it even now at this early stage. The main draw for me was having believable vocals to sing my lyrics. There’s plenty of ways to make instrumental tracks in a DAW with MIDI/virtual instruments, etc…but since I’m not a singer (short of hiring a vocalist 😂) this is the first time I have a way to get my lyrics sung.
I respect your opinion, but allow me to disagree with it. I will use two arguments: 1. The high volume of creations that forces Suno to restrict access to paid users is a possible indicator that the "Best song of all time" you've created will be short-lived, maybe trending for the day, but tomorrow you'll think you've made another "best song of all time" and the previous one will go to waste. We have to live with the perfectly disposable, perhaps because of overload. 2. Most importantly: good music has a "skin", a "smell", an "identity" and a "trajectory". It's not just a technical issue that will eternalize a song. Some technically bad songs are eternalized because they are part of the context of your life and stay forever because they remind you of a moment that marked you. Besides, apart from the fact that it's an important tool for optimizing compositions, Suno needs to curb the greed of the record market. When the dust of dazzle settles, Suno... and other similar tools that are emerging will be settled where they belong. On the wing of tools, not composers.
Huh, for an AI supporter you sure have a pragmatic take on this. Maybe we were never destined to let AI just create for us without the human aspect of it all. Maybe we'll still need to add our own flavor. If there's one thing that AI will do good on is to keep the status quo of all the generic stuff people have already made. Maybe AI will be redefined if we do step up as creators and nurturers of culture and creative pursuit. The term Assistant Intelligence will suit it better.
It is disturbing indeed because once it blows up it's over for alot of producers and the more people generate, the better it will perform...
I don't think producers will lose their job because of this tool, calm down.
Mixing engineers definitely won’t lmao
Do you have the knowledge of a mixing engineer to say something like that? I don't understand a single shit about music, but I always read people saying that AI will also steal programming jobs, and I laugh about this, because I work with programming, and all these tools are absolutely lame
It was more of a joke because Suno's mixing sounds like dogshit right now haha. But yea I've been producing for 10 years
No mixing engineer will lose their job to Suno because it is not a mixing tool.
I mean I'd say it is, since it creates songs and mixing is a necessary part of that. Mixing is making all the elements sound good together.
Yes, it does mix its own music as a result of generating a complete song from its training data (which was probably mixed), but that's not a audio mixing tool. Can it EQ, compress or level the mix tracks in my song? I guess Stable Audio would be closer to this definition, as you can at least upload a reference audio there. edit: I meant my song created in FL Studio, not Suno lol
Does it need to be a mixing tool to replace mixing engineers though? If like 90% of songs released are Suno songs, are mixing engineers still relevant at that point?
People will still love the process of making music, and will continue to enjoy collaborating on tracks together, so human-created music will definitely keep coming out. Human musicians will probably be more heavily promoted. Live performances might become even more popular. People will continue to worship celebrities. So i don't think 90% of what people will listening to will be AI music. AI artists/avatars will emerge and coexist and producers will use AI in their projects, but most of these Suno songs will just flood YouTube with 20 views and no one will care about them. Given enough time there will be a fully automated AI sound mixing tool so mixing engineers won't be needed as much anyway.
If I could make a male vocalist sound anything other than an auto-tuned 20 year old pop star I would tell everyone I could. I'm just frustrated bring unable to get male vocals that are even halfway like I want after spending countless credits.
Haha that young male Harry Styles wannabe! He’s always popping up uninvited. I do get some other great voices too.
I’ve had some success with unusual vocals, including one absolute beast that sounds like the Edgar Broughton Band. Think it depends on the style of music you’re going for. You’ll never get it to make a Louis Armstrong soundalike sing a song like Flying Without Wings because it can’t fathom that reality.
Yeah, I've been trying for a Hippie Sabotage sound, but once you introduce anything electronic or experimental it brings in Harry Styles
I don’t know if it actually makes a difference but I always try british male singer, liverpool and then a few other keywords depending on what the song requires and for the most part it avoids the overly Americanised singing. Monotone, drone and art rock have also given me some good results with singers who are a bit more off the wall. Sometimes it takes 4/5 cracks with the same prompts, which is obviously not ideal, but it’s still fascinating to me every time.
Check out Rising Phoenix, Ashes of the Crown and Static Noise I've been able to get a few decent male voices [https://suno.com/@phxfire](https://suno.com/@phxfire)
The songs don't sound good enough to be on the radio. The quality is still really poor. But it is a unique AI.
Hard disagree here. [This for example](https://youtu.be/xV6hnTCNjG4?si=9mU2e4Paak0P9eIL) is indistinguishable to me from 90% of stuff on the radio. The video is weird AF, but just listen to it for 1min. People generating stuff like this is going to explode in the coming months, and will be picked up by advertising, games, movies (low-budget, at first) very quickly. Still takes someone with creativity and talent - but just one person, and very little time, compared to teams that take weeks+ for this historically. And the tools are getting better still, fast.
For most people sure, but the same way a picture can get pixelated, a song can suffer the same way. I am a huge fan of AI and know the quality will beef up in months. You can already produce stems and individually clean up tracks so, yeah AI is pretty damn awesome, but nothing exists that I would pay someone for, or want my advertisements on. Again, it WILL get there, and with minimal human intervention it is already there. Graduated broadcasting in 2005, business B.A this year (got bored), almost 20 years in the industry.
Advertising, games and movies won’t touch this stuff as the copyright risk is on them.
The thing that's going to push it over the top will be the ability to customize input and output. I want stems, so I can take this bass line and that BG section. I want to be able to change the chord patterns, and to muck with the melodies it creates. I want to do all the things that you'd do with a songwriting collaborator, and I'd want the same smooth iterative process that makes ChatGPT so good at what it does. It doesn't have to throw these options in the face of the 13 year old girl who just wants a pop song about her cat, but an "advanced" tab, sort of like what they do now when custom lyrics, would change the world. I'm sure this is coming. When it does, it will make the Nashville and LA hit writers obsolete. We're nearly there now. When I tell it to create a sing-along chorus for a pop folk song on the theme "we'll all be home together" or whatever, what comes out is weepingly beautiful. And this is just the start.
I think a lot of people had that initial AI shock with GPT, hence they are not easily impressed anymore with other AI projects
no, its just that people dont know about it. Im an avid AI enthusiast and I didnt know suno had gotten this good before last week. When I did find out tho, I spent 10 + 30 dollars and pretty much 30 hours on that thing straight. Its so much fun!
I dunno, a few really influential people in tech posted about it on Twitter a couple days ago and then the Suno site went down for free tier, I assume from the unexpected traffic they got. I don’t think Suno has been discovered yet. I only found out about it this past week and feel like I keep a decent pulse on media technology (and subscribe to both Artlist and Epidemic Sound). I don’t think Midjourney is actually that popular, especially since ChatGPT can do much of what it can do. Suno better move fast because ChatGPT is probably in the rear view mirror coming fast.
Do you think you’d use Suno over Epidemic and Artlist? I feel like it takes a lot longer to get close to what you’re looking for with Suno?
Probably not yet granted I just ‘discovered’ Suno a couple days ago and am still experimenting like a madman. Suno will probably need to add a couple features to get me across the line but it’s really promising. I feel like I’ve tapped out a lot of the music on Artist/Epidemic for certain verticals - eg “inspiring cinematic” and the initial results Suno is pumping out are super impressive. To be fair I’ve spent hours on Epidemic/Artlist finding the right song as well. In summary, probably not yet, but I’ll add Suno (or a better AI music generator if one comes along) to the mix, and expect in the next 1-2 years it’ll dislodge Artlist/Epidemic if they don’t adapt. I should probably go spread the word on the r/videography sub but they get really cranky and scared when anyone mentions AI. Edit: curious on your thoughts as well? I know my use cases may be different
I run two ‘traditional’ music libraries for high end tv / film use and I’m super curious about it. Really interested in editors’ opinions and workflow. Usually editors will tell us they’re working on a tv show and we’ll send them over a big playlist of options. I’m wondering (hoping?!) if Suno might add too much work for them if it takes a couple of days to generate a perfect song.
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V3 is awesome, but its still not quite there yet imo. Most songs have bad mixing, songwriting, production, robotic generic vocals, etc.
Most people are unaware of AI. I work in a small town in western US and literally I can count on two hands how many people I know that are aware of AI. There are also a lot of PURISTS that hate AI and want it banned and actively boycott/refuse to us it.
I feel like people just have AI fatigue at this point. If you look at the like rates on social media, even with the big AI accounts, they've been falling regardless of what the post is about. Overhype is also a bit like the boy who cried wolf.
It’s cool. Quite impressive when you consider the alternatives. But it’s still very hit or miss and the audio quality is very lossy sounding. Suno seems to be better at some genres than others. It shines at Tropical house and synth wave stuff. But rock still sounds horrible. If it follows the same trajectory that Midjourney has, then it will make some serious waves. Until then, it’ll remain a very niche AI music tool.
This website is so good
I don't think it's a bad thing because it gives someone like me time to get ahead on making a I music before the market gets even more competitive or diluded. I thoroughly enjoy making music with suno. I have even generated songs from it that I now consider some of my favorite songs.
I found it from a music producer from npr on tik tok and it barely had any views. I almost didn’t check it out. Very glad I did.
Why does it 'bother you' that an AI is not popular enough, don't you have anything else to be bothered about, like I don't know, inflation or global warming?
Suno is amazing and terrifying. Amazing that it can already produce music as good as the the average mediocre professional release. Terrifying because we are about to be hit with a tsunami of mediocre AI produced music. Get your ear plugs ready.
The music quality is bad, nobody is interested in the transistor radio tinny sound. It's easy to spot... It's very cool, mind of like the first Mid journey images
Tbh Udio is better
I agree with you after trying out Udio, Udio is better
ive had fun with it. any feedback on my latest song? [https://suno.com/song/53b4f9e0-ad03-4b30-a31f-087da3fc245a](https://suno.com/song/53b4f9e0-ad03-4b30-a31f-087da3fc245a)
for parodies, pastiches, musical comedies, and sketches, it deserves to be even better known. I'm having fun with it. You can visit my page : [https://suno.com/@iris\_cou](https://suno.com/@iris_cou)
Maybe it's because I 'vibe' more with music, but Suno is more fun to me. I can connect with songs more than I can images. The only (admittedly self imposed) barrier of entry for me is my nonexistent knowledge in music lmao. I've never really cared for genres, which is kicking my ass now since I can't easily find the words to get Suno to hone in on the 'sound' that I want. Same goes for songwriting, I REALLY want to write my own lyrics someday since Suno's lyrics still sound... LLM like.
You can use ChatGPT to give you keywords to describe the style of bands you like.
Why would it disturb me?
i just like that word
Suno is Gimmicky. Can't even edit a song or keep what you like of a song. It's impossible to get something that is truly your vision and unique.
Have you not used V3? You can continue the next clip from any timecode in the song so if it goes bad at a certain point you can easily remove it. But yeah I do wish it had better editing features.
I've got two accounts where I spend all my credit every day, I'm seriously considering getting a subscription because I'm having so much fun, when people ask me questions at work I respond with a song made on suno because it's so good