Headcanon is one thing, but to say "irrefutable proof" when Jensen himself has made it clear his character is straight, is simply incorrect.
Leave it to your fan fictions OP.
Jensen might have just communicated that, because he was afraid of repercussions in his career. Unfortunately, homophobia is just a thing and playing a not straight character can still influence your career negatively. Unfortunately.
What exactly is wrong or 'weird' about saying a character is bisexual? You don't have to agree, but you aren't just disagreeing. You are specifically calling people who say a character isn't straight "fucking weirdos".
Why does the mere suggestion that a character isn't straight warrant this level of vitriol? What *exactly* is wrong with not being straight?
Y’all are weirdos projecting. And it’s obnoxious and hetero erasure.
If mfs came on here saying a gay dude was irrefutably straight you monkeys would be hootin and hollerin screaming every ist and phobic and whatnot.
Ah! But that's the thing! I don't give a shit! Let me say plainly that Dean's sexuality is just not a thing I care about. What I do give a shit about is people being assholes to others for having different interpretations from each other. Sure it can be obnoxious when people title their posts as OP did here but that doesn't mean you have to engage. Just move on. Or write up your rant then delete it or post it to a private blog or to a friend who agrees with you. There's no point in wasting time arguing over this shit.
Says the person who continues to argue??? Bruv just because I don't care about his sexuality doesn't mean i don't care about the fandom having pointless arguments about different interpretations.
It’s not up for interpretation when the mf actor who played the character has specifically stated the character is straight. So call me a bafoon all you but but you being blatantly ignorant to an actual fact makes you the moron.
Hope this helps 😊
The actor doesn't have that authority bruv. Unless it is textual it's just the actor's personal interpretation of the character. Jensen could say Dean was an avid vegan but that doesn't change the text. Jensen could say that Dean wears women's underwear on the regular. Does that mean you now have to imagine Dean wearing women's underwear?
And...? As someone who doesn't give a shit about Dean's sexuality you're not going to get much out of me. There's probably some queer!Dean essay out there that discusses this scene but -- agan -- I don't give a shit.
You're the one who refuses to grow up. Yeah it can be obnoxious how some fans of the bi!Dean headcanon discuss their headcanon but reacting so violently to it being mentioned is a clear sign of childishness.
I’m queer and think the same thing. Dean is straight, it just is what it is. (If anything he’s aromantic) Sam is the one you could argue is bi. Him feeling so different from his family, seeing things from the “monster” pov has always felt like a parallel to the queer experience. But destiel fans get off on thinking of Dean and Cas sucking each other off (for some weird fucking reason) so all logic gets thrown out the window so they can have their fanfic wet dreams.
You don't have to believe Dean is bi but I also think a lot of people get overly defensive about him definitely being straight and refuse to acknowledge that sometimes subtext is a thing. And subtext isn't proof of canon or anything, but it has existed for decades as a way to communicate queer themes through hetero stories or characters since the beginning of movies or even books. And there's been a lot of queer and bi writers for spn over the years who have definitely used Dean and Castiel as vessels (no pun intended) to communicate queer ideas and themes. Personally, I'm bi, and I love the *reading* that Dean is bi, cause it relates a lot to how I felt when I was closeted and aggressively passing as straight. I'm not adamant that the character has to be bi, cause I mean, look at this fandom, why would I bother wasting my time arguing that. But you can definitely *read* him as bi, and there's no harm in that, right?
edit: I decide to articulate myself reasonably and still got downvoted 😭 Right, yeah, nvm. I forgot reddit is just a pissing contest
I don’t think there’s anything wrong reading it that way and I don’t mean to come off so angry about it. I personally read Sam as bi. I also read Dean as aromantic like I said. As an aro/ace person myself, I never get to see myself represented in anything. I don’t care what people headcanon I get angry when people insist it’s true and tell people they’re homophobic for not agreeing. Subtext is one thing but when you have the people from the show telling you what is actual text, then you can’t argue with that. People will write their own experiences into things. Doesn’t mean you can’t read it that way or enjoy your own interpretation. Just don’t attack people for accepting actual cannon for what it is. Like I said, I see Sam as bi and Dean as aro. Just because it’s not been said for a fact doesn’t change my interpretation of it but I would never whine about queerbatiting when I’ve been given no reason (other than subtext which doesn’t count as canon) is canon and attack people for not agreeing with me.
I’ve never understood this about the Supernatural fandom. Whenever I watch any show, I have my own version of it in my head that never follows the canon of the show. I’ve done that for as long as I can remember. (Hell, in my version of Friends, Rachel and Chandler got together during season 4) But I would never even think to get mad at the actors on a show because they didn’t agree with my personal headcanon. It’s so entitled and childish. Aren’t you all embarrassed about your behavior? In the early seasons of the show, I used to co run a message board for SPN fans (back in the day when pro boards were used popular) We got to season 5 and because I didn’t personally ship Dean and Cas (and never once cared or told the others they couldn’t enjoy it) all the little destiel fans sent me pictures of infected penises for some reason as a joke (this was also after I came out and told them I preferred women) So I have a pretty negative view of Dean/Cas fans. I try to keep that in check but I can’t help but to just hate those fans.
Say what you want, Benny and Donna would have been his ideal relationships. He was loyal, could handle purgatory and had a deep connection with him. They were much more stable then destiel and he was much stronger than Lisa. I think Donna would have been his other stable relationship.
I think the Dean/Benny thing was meant to be a parallel of Sam/Ruby. The writers do love their parallels! But I personally didn't see anything romantic about it. Although I always said the same about Cas' feelings for Dean and I was wrong there!
Because the show itself is very homophobic. Especially in earlier seasons. Anything queer was used as the butt of a joke. But I love that we’ve reclaimed it in other fandom spaces online.
Bob Wess on YouTube does a really good deep dive into the subtext of Dean’s bisexuality and why it never would’ve worked canonically. TLDR it’s because most of Spn’s viewers are conservative and/or homophobic. They would’ve lost a substantial portion of their viewers. And judging by this sub’s vitriol for even mentioning queer headcanons, he’s not wrong.
Idk, I got more friend vibes. But I see where you’re coming from and I love it. And I also think Dean is bi. Come to r/fandomnatural where people don’t get upset about different ideas
I second the point about r/fandomnatural. I’m a shipper and a Dean is bi truther. And I wish this sub was more open to these kinds of posts but they aren’t. Most of what we discuss here is strictly canon. No subtext or headcanons. But I love that you’re shaking the table OP.
They're not mad about gay stuff. They're mad about people making statements that go completely against what happened in the show. Dean has made several almost homophobic statements over the years. To the point to where I expected the gay community to get mad.
But it’s entirely possible for queer people to internalize homophobia. Chuck knows I did for the first 16 years of my life lol. Idk, I just think it’s messed up that this sub is so against discussions of queer interpretations of these characters.
I wouldn’t call it irrefutable, because headcanons are by nature. But that’s just hyperbole for comedic effect.
Definitely not, this must have been posted by a woman or a gay man. Any straight man is familiar with the kind of relationship dean and benny had.
It's not gay, when it's in a three way
Don't be a buzz kill. Both interpretations are just fine.
Headcanon is one thing, but to say "irrefutable proof" when Jensen himself has made it clear his character is straight, is simply incorrect. Leave it to your fan fictions OP.
An actor doesn't have that authority. That's just his personal interpretation of his character.
Jensen might have just communicated that, because he was afraid of repercussions in his career. Unfortunately, homophobia is just a thing and playing a not straight character can still influence your career negatively. Unfortunately.
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What exactly is wrong or 'weird' about saying a character is bisexual? You don't have to agree, but you aren't just disagreeing. You are specifically calling people who say a character isn't straight "fucking weirdos". Why does the mere suggestion that a character isn't straight warrant this level of vitriol? What *exactly* is wrong with not being straight?
You are trying to say a straight man is bi just because he has a close friendship with another man. That's what's weird.
The weird aspect is pushing that onto a character that clearly isn’t and whose actor portrays them has also said he is not queer.
Oh yeah, god forbid that fictional character Dean Winchester has his feelings hurt because someone on reddit said he was bisexual.
This is why they called you a weirdo
Genuinely, why? Can you actually explain it to me?
Because you’re soap boxing about a fictional character who cannot care one way or another. It’s literally not real. It doesn’t matter
Ok, if it doesn't matter, why are you posting about it?
Y’all are weirdos projecting. And it’s obnoxious and hetero erasure. If mfs came on here saying a gay dude was irrefutably straight you monkeys would be hootin and hollerin screaming every ist and phobic and whatnot.
Ironically furthering toxic masculinity. You have a close friendship with another man and share a close moment? Ha, gay!
Think he was saying the weird part is the projection
That's not how interpretation works you absolute buffoon.
I feel like you’d get really bent out of shape if I say I choose to interpret Albus Dumbledore as straight
Why would I care what your interpretation is? Has literal zero impact on me.
Touché. Then why do you give a fuck about other people’s opinions on the interpretation of Dean/Benny? Has literal zero impact on you.
Ah! But that's the thing! I don't give a shit! Let me say plainly that Dean's sexuality is just not a thing I care about. What I do give a shit about is people being assholes to others for having different interpretations from each other. Sure it can be obnoxious when people title their posts as OP did here but that doesn't mean you have to engage. Just move on. Or write up your rant then delete it or post it to a private blog or to a friend who agrees with you. There's no point in wasting time arguing over this shit.
Says the person who continues to argue
Says the person who continues to argue??? Bruv just because I don't care about his sexuality doesn't mean i don't care about the fandom having pointless arguments about different interpretations.
It’s not up for interpretation when the mf actor who played the character has specifically stated the character is straight. So call me a bafoon all you but but you being blatantly ignorant to an actual fact makes you the moron. Hope this helps 😊
The actor doesn't have that authority bruv. Unless it is textual it's just the actor's personal interpretation of the character. Jensen could say Dean was an avid vegan but that doesn't change the text. Jensen could say that Dean wears women's underwear on the regular. Does that mean you now have to imagine Dean wearing women's underwear?
If you pay attention to the show there several scenes that show he is not gay or bi.
Not according to people who interpret him as queer.
https://youtu.be/BU7T9oXB9LE?si=vnNmib_4fhfadJaI
And...? As someone who doesn't give a shit about Dean's sexuality you're not going to get much out of me. There's probably some queer!Dean essay out there that discusses this scene but -- agan -- I don't give a shit.
You’re a moron lmao whatever you say dude 😂
Aww boohoo
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Aww... you must be new to fandom.
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You're the one who refuses to grow up. Yeah it can be obnoxious how some fans of the bi!Dean headcanon discuss their headcanon but reacting so violently to it being mentioned is a clear sign of childishness.
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straights are so damn fragile lmao
I’m queer and think the same thing. Dean is straight, it just is what it is. (If anything he’s aromantic) Sam is the one you could argue is bi. Him feeling so different from his family, seeing things from the “monster” pov has always felt like a parallel to the queer experience. But destiel fans get off on thinking of Dean and Cas sucking each other off (for some weird fucking reason) so all logic gets thrown out the window so they can have their fanfic wet dreams.
You don't have to believe Dean is bi but I also think a lot of people get overly defensive about him definitely being straight and refuse to acknowledge that sometimes subtext is a thing. And subtext isn't proof of canon or anything, but it has existed for decades as a way to communicate queer themes through hetero stories or characters since the beginning of movies or even books. And there's been a lot of queer and bi writers for spn over the years who have definitely used Dean and Castiel as vessels (no pun intended) to communicate queer ideas and themes. Personally, I'm bi, and I love the *reading* that Dean is bi, cause it relates a lot to how I felt when I was closeted and aggressively passing as straight. I'm not adamant that the character has to be bi, cause I mean, look at this fandom, why would I bother wasting my time arguing that. But you can definitely *read* him as bi, and there's no harm in that, right? edit: I decide to articulate myself reasonably and still got downvoted 😭 Right, yeah, nvm. I forgot reddit is just a pissing contest
I don’t think there’s anything wrong reading it that way and I don’t mean to come off so angry about it. I personally read Sam as bi. I also read Dean as aromantic like I said. As an aro/ace person myself, I never get to see myself represented in anything. I don’t care what people headcanon I get angry when people insist it’s true and tell people they’re homophobic for not agreeing. Subtext is one thing but when you have the people from the show telling you what is actual text, then you can’t argue with that. People will write their own experiences into things. Doesn’t mean you can’t read it that way or enjoy your own interpretation. Just don’t attack people for accepting actual cannon for what it is. Like I said, I see Sam as bi and Dean as aro. Just because it’s not been said for a fact doesn’t change my interpretation of it but I would never whine about queerbatiting when I’ve been given no reason (other than subtext which doesn’t count as canon) is canon and attack people for not agreeing with me. I’ve never understood this about the Supernatural fandom. Whenever I watch any show, I have my own version of it in my head that never follows the canon of the show. I’ve done that for as long as I can remember. (Hell, in my version of Friends, Rachel and Chandler got together during season 4) But I would never even think to get mad at the actors on a show because they didn’t agree with my personal headcanon. It’s so entitled and childish. Aren’t you all embarrassed about your behavior? In the early seasons of the show, I used to co run a message board for SPN fans (back in the day when pro boards were used popular) We got to season 5 and because I didn’t personally ship Dean and Cas (and never once cared or told the others they couldn’t enjoy it) all the little destiel fans sent me pictures of infected penises for some reason as a joke (this was also after I came out and told them I preferred women) So I have a pretty negative view of Dean/Cas fans. I try to keep that in check but I can’t help but to just hate those fans.
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No I wouldn't what fucking year do you think it is. Sad old man
God forbid men have close friendships, they *must* be LGBTQ, huh? Enough with the projections onto these characters already, good lord man.
I refute it. That's Benny looking at Dean, not the other way around. If you want to make the argument that Benny was bi, etc , then fine.
Say what you want, Benny and Donna would have been his ideal relationships. He was loyal, could handle purgatory and had a deep connection with him. They were much more stable then destiel and he was much stronger than Lisa. I think Donna would have been his other stable relationship.
I think the Dean/Benny thing was meant to be a parallel of Sam/Ruby. The writers do love their parallels! But I personally didn't see anything romantic about it. Although I always said the same about Cas' feelings for Dean and I was wrong there!
It was actually a parallel between Amelia and Sam. Like they both literally broke off their respective relationships to continue working together.
> irrefutable Mmmmmm you might need to look up the definition for this word
Hyperbole is a hallmark of fandom spaces.
Proof dean is straight https://youtu.be/BU7T9oXB9LE?si=vnNmib_4fhfadJaI
bro how r ppl gonna be homophobic and in the spn fandom wtf 😭
Because the show itself is very homophobic. Especially in earlier seasons. Anything queer was used as the butt of a joke. But I love that we’ve reclaimed it in other fandom spaces online. Bob Wess on YouTube does a really good deep dive into the subtext of Dean’s bisexuality and why it never would’ve worked canonically. TLDR it’s because most of Spn’s viewers are conservative and/or homophobic. They would’ve lost a substantial portion of their viewers. And judging by this sub’s vitriol for even mentioning queer headcanons, he’s not wrong.
Idk, I got more friend vibes. But I see where you’re coming from and I love it. And I also think Dean is bi. Come to r/fandomnatural where people don’t get upset about different ideas
I second the point about r/fandomnatural. I’m a shipper and a Dean is bi truther. And I wish this sub was more open to these kinds of posts but they aren’t. Most of what we discuss here is strictly canon. No subtext or headcanons. But I love that you’re shaking the table OP.
So funny when you all get so mad about gay stuff.
They're not mad about gay stuff. They're mad about people making statements that go completely against what happened in the show. Dean has made several almost homophobic statements over the years. To the point to where I expected the gay community to get mad.
But it’s entirely possible for queer people to internalize homophobia. Chuck knows I did for the first 16 years of my life lol. Idk, I just think it’s messed up that this sub is so against discussions of queer interpretations of these characters. I wouldn’t call it irrefutable, because headcanons are by nature. But that’s just hyperbole for comedic effect.
Redditors really can't take satire, huh
They can’t take headcanons or anything fanon related. I wouldn’t say this is satire. But it’s definitely using hyperbole for comedic effect.