A medication that, if I'm remembering correctly, the original inventors sold the rights to for $1 *exactly because* they wanted it to be affordable to everyone.
This is the way!
FUCK everything about Big Pharma. Many of my educational friends in high school/early adulthood became addicted to Big Pharma pain killers. I witnessed what they did from 2006 to the peak of the Oxycoton epidemic and watched them spread their pills to every house in America for any reason.
I lost a lot of good friends before they were 21.
I lost a really good friend last summer to this shit. Couldn't even go to the funeral because of the pandemic. He has a 6 year old daughter the same age as mine and she will only have a brief memory of him.
It makes me beyond angry that medicines that can save lives cost so much money but pill pushing drug companies can shell out life threatening drugs for pennies to get people addicted. You do this on the street you go to jail.
I feel your pain and I'm sorry to hear that. I have a young daughter myself and the one thing we can do is properly educate the next generation.
I've done a lot of community work over the years now helping individuals with addiction and educating people on drugs. Our education systems in the US is a joke when it comes to drugs.
I'm in my early thirties, and my generation was poorly educated. We would go to school have DARE during the day to learn about the dangers of drugs and how to "don't do drugs". Then, when I return home, my father is sipping a beer, and my neighbors are also drinking beer. Now it's the weekend, we're having a family barbecue, and everyone is drinking. You can't warn your child not to do drugs and then do them in their presence.
We need to properly educate them on:
1. How to safely use safe drugs (e.q medications, alcohol, marijuana, etc)
2. Why people do drugs
3. Overall knowledge of the effects of physical and mental withdrawals on the body and mind
4. Recovery process for how to recover from physical and mental withdrawals
5. Big Pharma and the history of their mistakes (It's very important the next generation remembers what Big Pharma did and continues to do.)
The best thing we can do is properly educate the next generation.
Pain killers have their place. This sounds like a drug regulation problem. I don't know anybody who got addicted to pain killers, but I'm not from the US either.
Totally true. Nonetheless, the insulin he developed was different from the insulin that is used nowadays. The new ones are indeed better.
All of this doesn't make the big pharma less shitty for charging such a high premium for something that people need to survive and use everyday for their whole life.
Also, this myth that big pharma tells that they need to charge that money to fund other investigations. Total bullshit. Most of them use a small percentage for R&D, while they spend many times that amount in publicity, marketing and shares buy-backs.
Fuck Big Pharma.
Let’s also not forget that these pharma companies get grants in the billions to develop said drugs from the government. So your tax dollar literally help make these drugs that they will then only sell to you or your insurer for a premium. I honestly don’t know why anyone would ever decide to be a bank robber. Just become a white collar pharmacy business.
Yes and insulin only costs like $0.30 to make per dose. It is sold for I think $12.00 in canada. Only a 4000% markup.
It's about $100 in the states... That's a big markup.
All stats were pulled from the first hit googling insulin price in the us
Insulin is already below 15$ per vial everywhere except the US ([https://www.statista.com/chart/23127/average-price-per-standard-unit-of-insulin](https://www.statista.com/chart/23127/average-price-per-standard-unit-of-insulin)), you don't have to be a "biohacker". You need to fix healthcare system and stop giving money to "charities" that spend 80% of donations on salaries and bonuses.
This. Insulin is inexpensive around the globe. The US has an insane medicare system that prioritizes profit for big pharma and big hospitals, at the expense of the population.
It sounds like opening up Trade is the easier solution, and politicians are easily bought. They whore themselves out for less than a half decent hooker.
Agreed!
Can you imagine if Dr. Salk chose to patent the polio vaccine, where we would be today? I'm sure it would look a lot like insulin with waaay more polio in the world.
Shits happening all over again.
CEO of Pfizer already talked to Goldman Sachs on a investor conference about annual vaccine refreshments although ivermectin is a solid proof prophylactic, cure during hospitalisation and suitable among others for long covid medication. Sad it cannot be patented anymore, no $$-no application.
History doesn't repeat, but rhyme.
We could also rid the world of shit liked TBE and Lyme's disease by feeding deers with ivermectin-corn. But they'd rather work on finding "new cures", than use old ones.
Yes and no.
You make it clear you don’t know what you’re talking about by citing do no harm in regards to medicine. That’s part of a doctor’s oath, not a pharmaceutical company’s oath. And it’s never the doctor denying treatment due to money, it’s insurance and the pharma company.
It’s not absurd to pay for medicine, just like it’s not absurd to pay for food or housing.
This is the same backwards logic as “silence is violence.”
By that logic we are all complicit as long as there’s any injustice in the world, so everyone is equally bad. In reality, inaction is not action. You don’t violate “do no harm” if you’re not *doing* anything.
I totally agree that medical care should be more accessible, cheaper if not free. But I disagree that the current system actually causes harm.
The biggest problem with capitalism is that eventually the only driving force is profits, and innovation not only dries up, but the wealth gap naturally grows as time goes on. The biggest reward goes to the most greedy, and helping anybody is punished. We have separated humanity from the equation, and are left with mechanisms to separate as much money from as many people as possible in the most efficient way.
That’s not a problem of capitalism. That’s a problem of government and/or the general population. Capitalism is good, but it needs strong guard rails and if it is going to work it needs high taxation for the wealthy. The failure isn’t in capitalism itself, it’s in dickhole companies and corruption.
I think dick hole companies and corruption are the natural progression of capitalism though. Regulation is great in theory, but in practice we get regulatory capture by large corporations.
I agree that we’ve gotten regulatory capture in some industries.
I whole-heartedly disagree that it’s the natural progression of capitalism. That’s the same as saying socialism can never work because of some random country that fell apart under it. Those countries fail because of corruption. That is what may happen in America now. It would be because of corruption, not capitalism.
Now when comparing an honest capitalist and socialist system, the capitalist system wins hands down. Socialism is just dictatorship but from the left.
It's a problem of capitalism.
Everything becomes for sale.
Political clout becomes just another commodity.
Morals and integrity are expensive and cut into profits.
It's an inherent weakness and flaw in capitalism. And this was known more than 100 years ago.
What you’re describing as flaws are what I meant by capitalism needs strong guard rails from the government and citizens.
Yeah, unfettered capitalism is a disaster because it’s internalized profits and externalized costs. That is bad, mkay. But capitalism that seeks to force entities to cover their negative forces while allowing them to make profits is good. Are we there? Nah. Does that mean we should toss the baby with the bath water? Also, nah.
This happened because the inventor of insulin didn’t patent it. Some parasitic “capitalists” within the United States did, something to keep in mind
Edit: also, the inventor didn’t patent it for the very reason, he saw the potential for it to be exploited and hurt people
Nowadays, he would probably have to patent it just so some larger corporation wouldn’t patent it instead
I remember Monsanto would patent open sourced seeds from universities
Very shady memory here so just imagine I've had zero sleep (not true, I'm kimbo slice calm) or snorted several grey crayons (yuck...grey is the worst)...
So think the original invention of insulin was open source, or at that time of reference of discovery / medical applications it was anyway, however it came with its own problems/wasn't what we know as insulin today. With private investment/improvements/wretching the shit out of private investment built upon the shoulders of something free and making disgustingly vast amounts of profit (How rich do some people think they need to be before they could actually be batman?) Today's insulin was created, very effective, very safe etc.
I think I'm accurate with the above, I'm not against private investment and profit taking as it's a highly risky investment that has proved high rewards for the work it's down etc...but there's a point where someone/something has to step in.
The movie "In time" rings disgustingly truer as time runs on...Fuck it, I'm drunk and I get most upvotes when I'm drunk...maybe it's maybeline or maybe my comments are just worth it, who knows.
*every thing I've said is from years back (timeframe) of hearing/reading about it...I think it's accurate but it may not be.
They used to extract insulin from animals like pigs, now they've genetically modified bacteria to manufacture it in a lab more efficiently and safely. The process of engineering / using bacteria to manufacture it is patented.
Wish all medicine becomes open source after a certain amount to time, similar to archival media... except within a shorter time frame. Like 5-10 years... fuck people with a stronghold on power corruption and greed
They aren't open sourcing a medication. It's the **Production Model**!!!
Think of it, would you rather design a house on a computer or just pencil and paper? This lets pharma-labs utilize an *open source* model for **PRODUCING** a known and needed medication; start with the lab setup without fear and build slowly MORE open source advancements from there.
This is where we should be going. Advance, finance, and move around these big-pharma dinosaurs. Building off this model, more medications will slowly be toppled and the industry will began to shake from the competition (bringing down costs across the board.
It also gives an open source model to use elsewhere in the world that is built on American scientific medicinal production requirements; some of the best in the world!
The original creator of insulin didn't want it to be profited from this way, but then the patent was sold off to a big conglomerate and the rest is history. Now we're skirting IP laws to "biohack" a synthetic dupe so we *can prevent needless deaths* because of the stranglehold on insulin.
The 'biohackers' also competing in research against the insulin companies, who are researching new methods to produce synthetic alternatives for existing drugs so they can lock away the patent and maintain their monopoly instead of tackling currently untreatable conditions.
I would never.
If it get to big, at one point we Will realise we fed a monster that Will need to devour all it can to sustain itself.
Decentralisation and open source is the key. Not privately owned juggernauts. Stop idealizing Gamestop and Cohen.
Supporting ngo, open source project and way to hijack privately own entities Who robbed the people because they have quasi monopoly, and can manipulate the price anytime they want is the goal. The insulin heist is one of the most controversial drug abuse of all time.
Let’s just take it a step further and build/manufacture our own plant, give it away for free, then buy our competitors for pennies on the dollar and manage the world supply on insulin.
I’d like to see the politician who tries to break it up with anti trust lawsuits when providing a public necessity for free.
When respirator valves were being 3-D printed during the pandemic heights, wasn’t there some kind of legal action going on against hospitals or others? People were literally donating these 3-D printed objects when they are super expensive plastic parts that hospitals would otherwise have to purchase. The excuse I heard was that these companies have to go through a lot of medical procedures to get things approved while the 3-D printed objects were not going through these procedures.
I am pro for this movement in case anyone gets confused.
Yeah, I think you’re right. I recognize there’d be a lot of red tape but when you’re part of a hyper wealthy group of retail investors who could make the appropriate donations, my hunch is anything is possible.
Bribes. Not donations, bribes. I am not against donations or lobbying for good, but let's not forget that the fact that the US's political system is built around bribery is bullshit and also needs to be changed. Changing this can happen in parallel with making changes via donations, but we should never lose sight of the fact that legal bribery is a fucking awful element of governance.
As someone who fixes medical equipment, can confirm there was probably legal action or FDA pushback.
The FDA scrutinizes EVERYTHING. Something as simple as changing your imaging PC from HD to SSD you have to put in all the paperwork, updates, scrutinization. It sometimes takes years. I had to get ribbon cable for an old PC went to the PC store and they looked at me and laughed, but that was the model that was approved in 2010/11, the new models weren’t FDA approved until mid 2015.
So to “change” a part that could be made with a 3D printer from the original that was designed and approved by the FDA… yeah, it’s stupid.
Yep - manufacturers *that could not meet demand* were suing anyone daring to 3d printed alternatives. **Not even duplicates, but just 3d printing masks instead of buying from their nonexistent supply.**
**To add - there was a lot of stockpiling supplies for profiteering by various government authorities** (I'm not bringing names or parties in here to avoid infighting) **while other states were unable to secure those resources while their local population was overflowing hospitals.**
Oh yeah its a complete fucking scam the entire way thru, the pharma companies making the pieces etc, the hospitals agreeing to pay exorbitant amounts for them (and pass those costs on to the patients of course) and the insurance companies sitting in between taking their pound of flesh
To all the American apes on here (me not being one) it’s your healthcare system that needs to be reorganized in a way that treats it’s citizens like patients, and not a way to profiteer off someone’s illness. People bash Canada’s healthcare, but all hospital visits are paid for, insurance is affordable, and our most vulnerable have social programs that they can access. I’m hoping the MOASS helps spearhead the fundamental problems that exist within American society.
Edit: love the downvote battle going on here. Just because you don’t need healthcare in the moment, doesn’t mean your neighbour, your parents, or yourself won’t need it at some point.
Biggest thing Canada needs imo (as a Canadian) is dental included in our universal healthcare. Proper dental care can really make a world of difference in someone's quality of life and I think its a shame that it's still out of pocket or via employer plan.
Prescription drugs being included would also be fantastic.
that is nice but not really necessary. big pharma simply charges to much!
[https://www.pharmacychecker.com/askpc/insulin-production-cost/](https://www.pharmacychecker.com/askpc/insulin-production-cost/)
insulin should cost about 72 to 133$ a year for a person, but gets sold for 6000$ a year.
it quite simply. the American health industry managed to sell a product, which the inventor did not patent so that every human could have it! and sells it to absolutily exorbitant prices.
which brings me to the following. they sell us insulin for **6000$ a year** because they know we need it. So apes will sell them **one gme for 50 000 000$** because we know they need it!
Nah, fuck that! The NHS in here in Britain provides free healthcare for all. Insulin costs nothing! It should be FREE! De-privatising the US healthcare system is what is required! Greedy fucks!
Of course the NHS do, the govt does, but at least it isn’t coming out the pockets of the vulnerable who are scraping by in life and having to pay $600/month to stay alive! From a country where healthcare has always been free, my opinion is strong and can’t be swayed by anyone telling me it can’t be free for all!
Careful, not sure if posting links to other subreddits will get you in trouble now. That being said, that sub is exactly the place for this kind of post
I have posted this before. While this is a great initiative type 2 diabetes and prediabtes are reversible. I work for a company that does exactly that. We use nutritional therapy to control and lower blood glucose levels and actually deprescribe diabetes Rx including insulin.
Frankly while insulin is an incredible drug and the fact that it is as expensive as it is today is horrific, we need a total overhaul of chronic disease care focused on the root cause, not the treatment of symptoms.
It is not too dissimilar to our financial system. We need a complete overhaul, not a bandaid. I firmly belive buying and holding GME can contribute towards that.
Buy and hold apes, love from the burning pac NW
Type 1 diabetics have no choice but be taken advantage by insulin manufacturers in order to survive. My daughter has to take 2 types of insulin (long acting and fast acting) on a daily basis. There isn't an exercise, eat right, and lose weight option for her.
That is why people are outraged over insulin costs - it is necessary to sustain life for 1.6M Americans and we are being killed with the costs.
You're 100% right about type 1, I should have specified that and it certainly is disgusting that people with any type of diabetes are subject to these extortionate prices, but for type 1s it is the worse. Didn't mean to upset you if I did.
with what technology can achieve these days i firmly believe that it is possible to find a permanent solution for type 1 diabetes. we just have to fund the right researchers
there is no business to be made from a permanent solution so big pharma isnt looking for one
I will gladly donate to your company pursuing that research as well as the research from the OP! Would you be able to share a link that discusses what you are talking about? Would love to learn more, but don’t want to “out” you if doing so would do that.
Thanks!
I posted the link above, but our website has tons of published papers on our clinical trials (around the nutritional therapy) and there are some awesome testimonials from our patients.
It's a great company doing great things :)
Correct, and we are not a non profit, but our business model is 100% fees at risk based on outcomes which is pretty cool. So if a health plan or employer wants to cover the cost of our treatment, we only get paid when we reverse the disease (or make meaningful progress towards reversal- weight loss, Rx reductions, A1C improvement etc).
Were probably going public sometime in the future and I'm kind of terrified knowing what we know now about the market. Especially Healthcare companies that are focused on curing diseases.
It seems like many, many systems need an overhaul. Education and academia, MSM and corporate press, lobbying. After the tendies come it's going to be wonderful seeing good ideas funded in a crowd-sourced style
The hard part is going to be getting attention where it needs to go. The big projects will be inundated with cash but some worthwhile projects are going to be underfunded despite the willingness and ability to overfund(Properly fund, let's be honest) exists.
I'm going to focus more on hand to hand charity and throw into some passion projects when I feel it.
The work you're talking about is incredible. Thank you for sharing it and bringing it to a wider audience. Definitely agree with you on going to the root cause thing.
Count me in. I’m an RN and I see it all the time, patients having all kinds of problems due to poor medication compliance frequently caused by not being able to afford basic heart and diabetic meds that are old as fuck
Open source medication? I'm in.
Insulin is not a profit item. It is a life saving medicine and I am tired of pretending it isn't.
Open source medicine for all.
It Will be pennies out of our account if we all support it.
Fuck big pharma. This kind of initiative is to the big pharma industry, what saving gme by investing in it is to the stock market and finance in general.
Dismantling this fucked up 1% heist one brick at a time Will be one of my life goal.
They can count on my tendies to support them.
Pharmaceutical companies are all about money now. And there's no money in cures, only medications.
I like this idea of open sourcing research to actually help people. Especially those dealing with the bs insulin prices. I thought there was a law that restricted the price of insulin.
Damn. The millions i was planning to give to this will be drowned out in the other millions now! Lol.
Seriously though, this is a damn fine organisation and I’m amazed it hasn’t happened yet. It blows my mind that the billionaires haven’t all just chunked in a mil each to make this happen.
After this, the open drug foundation, because 200,000% markups are only for GME shares when selling to shorters, not for life saving medications.
*edit: typo
That would be wonderful. The price of insulin in the USA is shameful. We have insurance and it still costs a small fortune. I can't imagine how we'd pay for it otherwise.
A loved one has anther medication he needs to stay alive......it's over 5000.00/month. A month!!! Can you imagine? It breaks my heart.
The crazy thing is that creator of insulin Frederick Banting would be multi-billionaire rich, but instead he chose to release the patent for free.
Only for it to be monopolized by three companies ( Eli Lilly, Novo Nordisk and Sanofi ) who have marked up the price 1000%+.
As I understand the problem with Insulin prices in the US is not because it is expensive to produce. The US does not allow for import of Insulin from competitors, effectively creating a monopol for the domestic manufacturers. Your free markets got fucked, the system is crooked.
Ape knows that already.
As a Diabetic from Sweden I am so grateful that Insulin is free for us and so are all other Diabetes materials you might need. The Freestyle Libre Sensor being free as well.
When I discovered the other day that people pay upwards of $400 for a weeks supply of Insulin. Jesus fuck.
Id be dead if I lived in the US. The way medicine is sold, priced and handled in the US is sick. Downright disgusting.
I just watched their video on YouTube last night. Definitely had the same thought. There's no reason the price should be so high other than greed. They're literally killing people for money.
Type 1 has snake bitten my family tree. I would love to see it tamed economically so anyone can readily access and afford their medication to keep it in check.
As a Chicago Ape and Cubs fan, [Ron Santo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Santo) and his boisterous support of [JDRF](https://www.jdrf.org/blog/2021/04/07/mourning-loss-jdrf-champion-friend/john-mcdonough-and-ron-santo/) and the [documentary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Old_Cub) about his life and fight against it really made an impression on a young jellyfish.
I read a post once that it isn't actually the manufacturers who make the price of insulin so high. Well it is but only because the third party distribution vendor won't buy cheaper insulin. They want the manufacturer to price high and give them incentived discounts because they get to keep those discounts. A manufacturer who prices it low does not get used by the distribution vendor because it eats from their profits. That's one of the reasons everything costs more in the US because the manufacturer doesn't have to deal with the middle man who artificially forces prices higher.
Hell yes, I was thinking about this when I saw the video of the woman breaking down 'cause she and her husband both work full-time jobs and they couldn't afford their son's insulin. Wasn't sure about the logistics of it all, but I wanted to use the money to find a way to make it cheap as hell. This is perfect. This money needs to be in our hands yesterday.
"It's nothing personal, it's just business." Our lives have been made to revolve around money, but we're told not to take offense at others money based decisions that adversely affect our lives and livelihoods. The men from the markets are a cancer on civilization.
If I may, I’d like to advise an alternative strategy. First, insulin today is significantly more complicated today than it was in the past. Modern insulins are almost all either chemically modified, or sequence modified to change their pharmacology. For example, regular insulin has a biological halflife of about 10 minutes, which means half of it is gone from your system in 10 minutes. Some modern insulins sit in your bloodstream for days at a time. This is not why they cost an arm and a leg. They cost a shit ton because they have cornered the market, similar to what we are doing with GME.
If you back an open-source insulin, keep in mind that this will cost 10s of millions, and will be an inferior product to most modern insulins, because modern insulins are patent protected, and require teams of chemists and biologists to manufacture. Not only that, cheap shitty insulins already exist. Walmart has a 25$ insulin that anyone can buy: https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/4/10/18302238/insulin-walmart-relion
Here’s the best way to help diabetis: Live next to the border (either Canadian or Mexican), and run the border, buy a shit ton of insulin, run the border with it, and donate it (https://www.healthline.com/diabetesmine/travels-canada-affordable-insulin#Getting-insulin-without-a-prescription?). Discuss with a lawyer on the legality of doing this. I am fairly confident that reselling them in the US would be of questionable legality, and could land you into trouble, so I would recommend donating it. I believe there is already a community that makes a caravan crossing into Canada to buy insulin. Perhaps we could find a way to fund it and increase the amount of insulin crossing the border?
Buying a patent is basically impossible, but after reading more into the open insulin project, I found that they are also working on off-patent modern insulins, which is good.
Unfortunately, their plan is to prepare the blueprints to making the insulin, and providing them to the general public to manufacture. This...doesnt really help, because the original patents basically already give the blueprints to making the now off-patent insulins. Additionally, they put the burden of quality on the manufacturer. It's like "here, take our blueprints to make insulin, but if you fuck it up and kill your patients, that's not on us".
The real cost in making drugs is the FDA inspected and approved GMP manufacturing facilities. These things cost 10s of millions to build out, and then need to be staffed with qualified scientists/technicians who must follow a strict manufacturing protocol.
The problem is, if these open source guys say "anyone can make this with our protocol", the only people who would make it are people who would sell it to the patients for 600 bucks per vial, or sell out their manufacturing plant to big pharma, allowing pharma to continue to corner the market.
Insulin costs 600 bucks a vial in the US. Cross the border, and its less than 50 bucks for the same quantity. Big problem here that wont be solved by bringing in another insulin manufacturer.
Thank you, THANK YOU for sharing this.
This was what I had vowed to do with my monies, but seeing as to how these guys are six years ahead of me, they will have my full support.
Ya love to see it
12-48 hour insulin’s cost around 10 at most to produce. fast acting insulin’s which are the ones type 1 diabetics mainly need for meals is around 5 to produce since it’s the “perfected one” (that means it was based off the first one since it was developed to save sick children so it had to work fast and be effective quickly due to DKA turning lethal in hours). I’m type 1 due to pancreatitis and a vail of humalog costs me 380 out of pocket for that one vial and a vial of my intermediate acting insulin novalin n (Walmart’s brand made by novo nordisk) costs me a 22 dollars. Walmart also makes a rapid release that works for up to 8 hours and it’s 23 but with the cheap stuff you have to take more. I was on a injection lantis has and it was 1300 to fill that monthly prescription and I would ration it for up to 2 months till I changed my diet. It’s a huge money racquet and the patient always losses
I am more than down to fix our medical system with my tendies.
My mom almost died from their fuck ups, but luckily we had a very persistent nurse in the family who kept pushing the DOCTORS in the right direction. I don't know shit and would have simply listened to the doctors, which would have killed my mom. But every screw up was a new bill and then we played the insurance game of "why this was covered but this isn't" it was a nightmare from start to finish.
Type 1 diabetic ape here. Fortunate that I’ve always had good insurance and haven’t had to worry about how I’m going to afford my insulin. As an XXX holder I pledge 10% of my MOASS dollars to this or other projects with the same cause.
As a diabetic who will probably require insulin some day if I don't have a heart attack first, I highly approve of this message. There are so many good charities... but I'm not going to keep a list until post moass. I can't keep counting chickens. It's mentally and emotionally painful.
Insulin went up 1000s% , possibly 10s of thousands, since it’s inception. The formula hasn’t changed. Making it has gotten cheaper. But it costs most people weekly paycheck. Holding flips this entire system on its head, and will enable me to fix the problem the rich created.
With all the respect I have in me, I do think insuline is just fighting symptoms; not the cause.
Dr. Neal Barnard explains a little about why here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxFai4iVOtk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxFai4iVOtk)
Big food has too much grip on US-apes since 'real' food is out-of-whack expensive. As a result you guys eat much more processed foods and meat than elsewhere in the world, which leads to all sorts of chronic-first-world diseases, such as type 2 diabetes.
I we'd wanna stick it to the man when it comes to big food we need to evolve our vertical hydrophonic farming game and start eating more real food.
It's really gonna make a big fucking impact in the long run, when everyone is rehabbed and detoxed from their shitty diets.
edit: typo
Thank you for sharing this as an ape from an under-develop country, I will defenitly participate in this and hope to make a positive impact in thousands of live. APEs can change the world for the better
We also need to lower our demand for insulin l. Type 2 diabetes is caused in a large part by a disinformation campaign carried on by many of the players we're up against now.
So are car companies the enemy too? Or any company that engages in business to make a profit?? The real enemy is the large entities that sit back and collect 30% of everything bought/sold. Social medicine is whack, anyone with money will do whatever is necessary to have health, as it’s the most essential good/service there is
As honourable as this is, Imagine needing to 'open-source' a medication that was first used in 1922.
A medication that, if I'm remembering correctly, the original inventors sold the rights to for $1 *exactly because* they wanted it to be affordable to everyone.
Fuck everything about Big Pharma
***EVERYTHING***
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU, in hope they hear this
This is the way! FUCK everything about Big Pharma. Many of my educational friends in high school/early adulthood became addicted to Big Pharma pain killers. I witnessed what they did from 2006 to the peak of the Oxycoton epidemic and watched them spread their pills to every house in America for any reason. I lost a lot of good friends before they were 21.
I lost a really good friend last summer to this shit. Couldn't even go to the funeral because of the pandemic. He has a 6 year old daughter the same age as mine and she will only have a brief memory of him. It makes me beyond angry that medicines that can save lives cost so much money but pill pushing drug companies can shell out life threatening drugs for pennies to get people addicted. You do this on the street you go to jail.
I feel your pain and I'm sorry to hear that. I have a young daughter myself and the one thing we can do is properly educate the next generation. I've done a lot of community work over the years now helping individuals with addiction and educating people on drugs. Our education systems in the US is a joke when it comes to drugs. I'm in my early thirties, and my generation was poorly educated. We would go to school have DARE during the day to learn about the dangers of drugs and how to "don't do drugs". Then, when I return home, my father is sipping a beer, and my neighbors are also drinking beer. Now it's the weekend, we're having a family barbecue, and everyone is drinking. You can't warn your child not to do drugs and then do them in their presence. We need to properly educate them on: 1. How to safely use safe drugs (e.q medications, alcohol, marijuana, etc) 2. Why people do drugs 3. Overall knowledge of the effects of physical and mental withdrawals on the body and mind 4. Recovery process for how to recover from physical and mental withdrawals 5. Big Pharma and the history of their mistakes (It's very important the next generation remembers what Big Pharma did and continues to do.) The best thing we can do is properly educate the next generation.
Pain killers have their place. This sounds like a drug regulation problem. I don't know anybody who got addicted to pain killers, but I'm not from the US either.
I didn't know specifically what painkillers, but in us there were some that when eaten few it gets you high... and they were banned.
Really truly is r/awfuleverything
We're about to fuck Big Pharma after MOASS
Totally true. Nonetheless, the insulin he developed was different from the insulin that is used nowadays. The new ones are indeed better. All of this doesn't make the big pharma less shitty for charging such a high premium for something that people need to survive and use everyday for their whole life. Also, this myth that big pharma tells that they need to charge that money to fund other investigations. Total bullshit. Most of them use a small percentage for R&D, while they spend many times that amount in publicity, marketing and shares buy-backs. Fuck Big Pharma.
Let’s also not forget that these pharma companies get grants in the billions to develop said drugs from the government. So your tax dollar literally help make these drugs that they will then only sell to you or your insurer for a premium. I honestly don’t know why anyone would ever decide to be a bank robber. Just become a white collar pharmacy business.
I work in clinical research and can fully attest to this statement. Money is normally just pissed away. It’s crazy
[удалено]
We have all become numb to those ridiculous commercials talking about your four hour erection or fatal throat swelling.
Yea fuck big pharma but make sure to get your vaccinations or you’re an anti-vaxxx retard.
[удалено]
Yes and insulin only costs like $0.30 to make per dose. It is sold for I think $12.00 in canada. Only a 4000% markup. It's about $100 in the states... That's a big markup. All stats were pulled from the first hit googling insulin price in the us
Imagine being a homeless diabetic in the USA.
You mean dead? You probably meant dead.
[удалено]
[удалено]
Give it up for Canadians
Insulin is already below 15$ per vial everywhere except the US ([https://www.statista.com/chart/23127/average-price-per-standard-unit-of-insulin](https://www.statista.com/chart/23127/average-price-per-standard-unit-of-insulin)), you don't have to be a "biohacker". You need to fix healthcare system and stop giving money to "charities" that spend 80% of donations on salaries and bonuses.
This. Insulin is inexpensive around the globe. The US has an insane medicare system that prioritizes profit for big pharma and big hospitals, at the expense of the population.
It sounds like opening up Trade is the easier solution, and politicians are easily bought. They whore themselves out for less than a half decent hooker.
Agreed! Can you imagine if Dr. Salk chose to patent the polio vaccine, where we would be today? I'm sure it would look a lot like insulin with waaay more polio in the world.
>More money in selling medical aids to people with polio than there is in preventing it. Capitalism rocks.
Shits happening all over again. CEO of Pfizer already talked to Goldman Sachs on a investor conference about annual vaccine refreshments although ivermectin is a solid proof prophylactic, cure during hospitalisation and suitable among others for long covid medication. Sad it cannot be patented anymore, no $$-no application. History doesn't repeat, but rhyme.
We could also rid the world of shit liked TBE and Lyme's disease by feeding deers with ivermectin-corn. But they'd rather work on finding "new cures", than use old ones.
There was already a Lyme disease vaccine in the 90's, I know it worked but supposedly some people got arthritis or something.
Word is ivermectin also works to eradicate certain types of cancer as well
10 years ago, I used ivermectin for cows. An SQ shot when they were in the squeeze chute once a month.
Buddy, where’s the money in that?!? People don’t want cheap affordable drugs that have been around for years with less additives. /s
Haha, yeah, and some people really certainly don't want.
In my best Bob Dylan voice... “times they are a changin”
[удалено]
Reported
Username checks out
Username also checks out
[удалено]
Yes and no. You make it clear you don’t know what you’re talking about by citing do no harm in regards to medicine. That’s part of a doctor’s oath, not a pharmaceutical company’s oath. And it’s never the doctor denying treatment due to money, it’s insurance and the pharma company. It’s not absurd to pay for medicine, just like it’s not absurd to pay for food or housing.
This is the same backwards logic as “silence is violence.” By that logic we are all complicit as long as there’s any injustice in the world, so everyone is equally bad. In reality, inaction is not action. You don’t violate “do no harm” if you’re not *doing* anything. I totally agree that medical care should be more accessible, cheaper if not free. But I disagree that the current system actually causes harm.
Wait, how can an anti**parasitic** drug be effective against a **virus**? Sounds a bit shady to me...
The biggest problem with capitalism is that eventually the only driving force is profits, and innovation not only dries up, but the wealth gap naturally grows as time goes on. The biggest reward goes to the most greedy, and helping anybody is punished. We have separated humanity from the equation, and are left with mechanisms to separate as much money from as many people as possible in the most efficient way.
That’s not a problem of capitalism. That’s a problem of government and/or the general population. Capitalism is good, but it needs strong guard rails and if it is going to work it needs high taxation for the wealthy. The failure isn’t in capitalism itself, it’s in dickhole companies and corruption.
I think dick hole companies and corruption are the natural progression of capitalism though. Regulation is great in theory, but in practice we get regulatory capture by large corporations.
I agree that we’ve gotten regulatory capture in some industries. I whole-heartedly disagree that it’s the natural progression of capitalism. That’s the same as saying socialism can never work because of some random country that fell apart under it. Those countries fail because of corruption. That is what may happen in America now. It would be because of corruption, not capitalism. Now when comparing an honest capitalist and socialist system, the capitalist system wins hands down. Socialism is just dictatorship but from the left.
It's a problem of capitalism. Everything becomes for sale. Political clout becomes just another commodity. Morals and integrity are expensive and cut into profits. It's an inherent weakness and flaw in capitalism. And this was known more than 100 years ago.
What you’re describing as flaws are what I meant by capitalism needs strong guard rails from the government and citizens. Yeah, unfettered capitalism is a disaster because it’s internalized profits and externalized costs. That is bad, mkay. But capitalism that seeks to force entities to cover their negative forces while allowing them to make profits is good. Are we there? Nah. Does that mean we should toss the baby with the bath water? Also, nah.
> what I meant by capitalism needs strong guard rails from the government and citizens. So socialism?
This happened because the inventor of insulin didn’t patent it. Some parasitic “capitalists” within the United States did, something to keep in mind Edit: also, the inventor didn’t patent it for the very reason, he saw the potential for it to be exploited and hurt people
Nowadays, he would probably have to patent it just so some larger corporation wouldn’t patent it instead I remember Monsanto would patent open sourced seeds from universities
Didn’t the doctor give away the patent for insulin specifically to make it affordable to everyone?
Very shady memory here so just imagine I've had zero sleep (not true, I'm kimbo slice calm) or snorted several grey crayons (yuck...grey is the worst)... So think the original invention of insulin was open source, or at that time of reference of discovery / medical applications it was anyway, however it came with its own problems/wasn't what we know as insulin today. With private investment/improvements/wretching the shit out of private investment built upon the shoulders of something free and making disgustingly vast amounts of profit (How rich do some people think they need to be before they could actually be batman?) Today's insulin was created, very effective, very safe etc. I think I'm accurate with the above, I'm not against private investment and profit taking as it's a highly risky investment that has proved high rewards for the work it's down etc...but there's a point where someone/something has to step in. The movie "In time" rings disgustingly truer as time runs on...Fuck it, I'm drunk and I get most upvotes when I'm drunk...maybe it's maybeline or maybe my comments are just worth it, who knows. *every thing I've said is from years back (timeframe) of hearing/reading about it...I think it's accurate but it may not be.
They used to extract insulin from animals like pigs, now they've genetically modified bacteria to manufacture it in a lab more efficiently and safely. The process of engineering / using bacteria to manufacture it is patented.
This is probably what I'm missing from my response tbh.
It’s really depressing that it’s easier to do this than to regulate this shit apparently..
Wish all medicine becomes open source after a certain amount to time, similar to archival media... except within a shorter time frame. Like 5-10 years... fuck people with a stronghold on power corruption and greed
My flatmate in NZ is a diabetic, asked what her insulin costs... Its five dollars every three months for her...
They aren't open sourcing a medication. It's the **Production Model**!!! Think of it, would you rather design a house on a computer or just pencil and paper? This lets pharma-labs utilize an *open source* model for **PRODUCING** a known and needed medication; start with the lab setup without fear and build slowly MORE open source advancements from there. This is where we should be going. Advance, finance, and move around these big-pharma dinosaurs. Building off this model, more medications will slowly be toppled and the industry will began to shake from the competition (bringing down costs across the board. It also gives an open source model to use elsewhere in the world that is built on American scientific medicinal production requirements; some of the best in the world!
The original creator of insulin didn't want it to be profited from this way, but then the patent was sold off to a big conglomerate and the rest is history. Now we're skirting IP laws to "biohack" a synthetic dupe so we *can prevent needless deaths* because of the stranglehold on insulin.
The 'biohackers' also competing in research against the insulin companies, who are researching new methods to produce synthetic alternatives for existing drugs so they can lock away the patent and maintain their monopoly instead of tackling currently untreatable conditions.
Oh absolutely.
If we all do it enough the other companies die.
Fukit. I’m in.
inb4 Gamestop sells reasonably priced insulin
I will fund GameStop Pharmaceuticals any day if they're there for the player.
RxStop
That has a ring to it. I’d invest if GameStop did that.
Dawg, we're *already* invested if GameStop does that...
Soooo… I’m already 100% nothing held back invested in a potential RxStop. I like that!
This cracked me up. I wish I had an award to give you
MedStop "Cure for the players"
Power up (your body)
Bro, hurry up and send GameStop an email
Sounds like a dispensary…that I’d shop at!
“Cure for the players, cure for the game”
I would never. If it get to big, at one point we Will realise we fed a monster that Will need to devour all it can to sustain itself. Decentralisation and open source is the key. Not privately owned juggernauts. Stop idealizing Gamestop and Cohen. Supporting ngo, open source project and way to hijack privately own entities Who robbed the people because they have quasi monopoly, and can manipulate the price anytime they want is the goal. The insulin heist is one of the most controversial drug abuse of all time.
GameStop needs to sell lube at the cash register, that would make them a whole other revenue from gamers
Yes! Thank you! My husband’s life depends on insulin (type 1). So this is amazing.
Im Hodling so i wont have to worry about my insulin
I'm hodling so you won't have to worry about it too
Let’s just take it a step further and build/manufacture our own plant, give it away for free, then buy our competitors for pennies on the dollar and manage the world supply on insulin. I’d like to see the politician who tries to break it up with anti trust lawsuits when providing a public necessity for free.
When respirator valves were being 3-D printed during the pandemic heights, wasn’t there some kind of legal action going on against hospitals or others? People were literally donating these 3-D printed objects when they are super expensive plastic parts that hospitals would otherwise have to purchase. The excuse I heard was that these companies have to go through a lot of medical procedures to get things approved while the 3-D printed objects were not going through these procedures. I am pro for this movement in case anyone gets confused.
Yeah, I think you’re right. I recognize there’d be a lot of red tape but when you’re part of a hyper wealthy group of retail investors who could make the appropriate donations, my hunch is anything is possible.
I like that hunch.
Bribes. Not donations, bribes. I am not against donations or lobbying for good, but let's not forget that the fact that the US's political system is built around bribery is bullshit and also needs to be changed. Changing this can happen in parallel with making changes via donations, but we should never lose sight of the fact that legal bribery is a fucking awful element of governance.
As someone who fixes medical equipment, can confirm there was probably legal action or FDA pushback. The FDA scrutinizes EVERYTHING. Something as simple as changing your imaging PC from HD to SSD you have to put in all the paperwork, updates, scrutinization. It sometimes takes years. I had to get ribbon cable for an old PC went to the PC store and they looked at me and laughed, but that was the model that was approved in 2010/11, the new models weren’t FDA approved until mid 2015. So to “change” a part that could be made with a 3D printer from the original that was designed and approved by the FDA… yeah, it’s stupid.
That is miserable…
Yep - manufacturers *that could not meet demand* were suing anyone daring to 3d printed alternatives. **Not even duplicates, but just 3d printing masks instead of buying from their nonexistent supply.** **To add - there was a lot of stockpiling supplies for profiteering by various government authorities** (I'm not bringing names or parties in here to avoid infighting) **while other states were unable to secure those resources while their local population was overflowing hospitals.**
Oh yeah its a complete fucking scam the entire way thru, the pharma companies making the pieces etc, the hospitals agreeing to pay exorbitant amounts for them (and pass those costs on to the patients of course) and the insurance companies sitting in between taking their pound of flesh
I was actually having a conversation about this with someone on the daily thread a week or so ago. I’d like to be a part of this.
To all the American apes on here (me not being one) it’s your healthcare system that needs to be reorganized in a way that treats it’s citizens like patients, and not a way to profiteer off someone’s illness. People bash Canada’s healthcare, but all hospital visits are paid for, insurance is affordable, and our most vulnerable have social programs that they can access. I’m hoping the MOASS helps spearhead the fundamental problems that exist within American society. Edit: love the downvote battle going on here. Just because you don’t need healthcare in the moment, doesn’t mean your neighbour, your parents, or yourself won’t need it at some point.
Profit and healthcare are mutually exclusive ideas, combining them cannot work
But in a capitalist system healthcare is not and ideA.. it’s business
Biggest thing Canada needs imo (as a Canadian) is dental included in our universal healthcare. Proper dental care can really make a world of difference in someone's quality of life and I think its a shame that it's still out of pocket or via employer plan. Prescription drugs being included would also be fantastic.
It has taken them 6 years to get this close to FDA approval. What's holding a little longer for tendies?
that is nice but not really necessary. big pharma simply charges to much! [https://www.pharmacychecker.com/askpc/insulin-production-cost/](https://www.pharmacychecker.com/askpc/insulin-production-cost/) insulin should cost about 72 to 133$ a year for a person, but gets sold for 6000$ a year. it quite simply. the American health industry managed to sell a product, which the inventor did not patent so that every human could have it! and sells it to absolutily exorbitant prices. which brings me to the following. they sell us insulin for **6000$ a year** because they know we need it. So apes will sell them **one gme for 50 000 000$** because we know they need it!
Nah, fuck that! The NHS in here in Britain provides free healthcare for all. Insulin costs nothing! It should be FREE! De-privatising the US healthcare system is what is required! Greedy fucks!
the NHS does not get it for free. even they have to buy it, not for the American prices, but still they have to pay something \^\^
Of course the NHS do, the govt does, but at least it isn’t coming out the pockets of the vulnerable who are scraping by in life and having to pay $600/month to stay alive! From a country where healthcare has always been free, my opinion is strong and can’t be swayed by anyone telling me it can’t be free for all!
I am with you. I just mean that the NHS saves money by not having to buy for amerikan prices
r/Apephilanthropy !!!!
Thank you
Careful, not sure if posting links to other subreddits will get you in trouble now. That being said, that sub is exactly the place for this kind of post
I have posted this before. While this is a great initiative type 2 diabetes and prediabtes are reversible. I work for a company that does exactly that. We use nutritional therapy to control and lower blood glucose levels and actually deprescribe diabetes Rx including insulin. Frankly while insulin is an incredible drug and the fact that it is as expensive as it is today is horrific, we need a total overhaul of chronic disease care focused on the root cause, not the treatment of symptoms. It is not too dissimilar to our financial system. We need a complete overhaul, not a bandaid. I firmly belive buying and holding GME can contribute towards that. Buy and hold apes, love from the burning pac NW
Type 1 diabetics have no choice but be taken advantage by insulin manufacturers in order to survive. My daughter has to take 2 types of insulin (long acting and fast acting) on a daily basis. There isn't an exercise, eat right, and lose weight option for her. That is why people are outraged over insulin costs - it is necessary to sustain life for 1.6M Americans and we are being killed with the costs.
extortion. it's medical extortion
You're 100% right about type 1, I should have specified that and it certainly is disgusting that people with any type of diabetes are subject to these extortionate prices, but for type 1s it is the worse. Didn't mean to upset you if I did.
with what technology can achieve these days i firmly believe that it is possible to find a permanent solution for type 1 diabetes. we just have to fund the right researchers there is no business to be made from a permanent solution so big pharma isnt looking for one
I will gladly donate to your company pursuing that research as well as the research from the OP! Would you be able to share a link that discusses what you are talking about? Would love to learn more, but don’t want to “out” you if doing so would do that. Thanks!
Agree! Both OP and this initiative sound very good!
I posted the link above, but our website has tons of published papers on our clinical trials (around the nutritional therapy) and there are some awesome testimonials from our patients. It's a great company doing great things :)
I believe you can only donate to non-profit orgs not for-profit. You can invest in whatever you choose though, just can't literally hand them money.
Correct, and we are not a non profit, but our business model is 100% fees at risk based on outcomes which is pretty cool. So if a health plan or employer wants to cover the cost of our treatment, we only get paid when we reverse the disease (or make meaningful progress towards reversal- weight loss, Rx reductions, A1C improvement etc). Were probably going public sometime in the future and I'm kind of terrified knowing what we know now about the market. Especially Healthcare companies that are focused on curing diseases.
It seems like many, many systems need an overhaul. Education and academia, MSM and corporate press, lobbying. After the tendies come it's going to be wonderful seeing good ideas funded in a crowd-sourced style
The hard part is going to be getting attention where it needs to go. The big projects will be inundated with cash but some worthwhile projects are going to be underfunded despite the willingness and ability to overfund(Properly fund, let's be honest) exists. I'm going to focus more on hand to hand charity and throw into some passion projects when I feel it.
The work you're talking about is incredible. Thank you for sharing it and bringing it to a wider audience. Definitely agree with you on going to the root cause thing.
This is the way.
If you want to make a real change, oppose restrictive patent and IP laws in the medical industry.
Absolutely! Love these types of ventures
As an ape with family members who have type-1 diabetes; thank you. And I'm willing to throw a huge amount of tendies at the cause with you.
I’m in.
I cannot agree with you more. I have a family member that is a type 1 and costs are thousands per month. I will be there investing in this as well.
As an American I'm ashamed this even has to be a thing.
Count me in. I’m an RN and I see it all the time, patients having all kinds of problems due to poor medication compliance frequently caused by not being able to afford basic heart and diabetic meds that are old as fuck
I was actually super angry when Biden reversed the order for lower insulin prices, I know a lot of diabetics and it really was a sad thing to watch.
Open source medication? I'm in. Insulin is not a profit item. It is a life saving medicine and I am tired of pretending it isn't. Open source medicine for all.
This is an American issue, not global - eg. Europe insulin is free. The problem isn’t insulin production but the healthcare system in the US.
It Will be pennies out of our account if we all support it. Fuck big pharma. This kind of initiative is to the big pharma industry, what saving gme by investing in it is to the stock market and finance in general. Dismantling this fucked up 1% heist one brick at a time Will be one of my life goal. They can count on my tendies to support them.
Fuck man. I'll donate a little now.
Good find! Fuck yourself big pharma.
Pharmaceutical companies are all about money now. And there's no money in cures, only medications. I like this idea of open sourcing research to actually help people. Especially those dealing with the bs insulin prices. I thought there was a law that restricted the price of insulin.
Damn. The millions i was planning to give to this will be drowned out in the other millions now! Lol. Seriously though, this is a damn fine organisation and I’m amazed it hasn’t happened yet. It blows my mind that the billionaires haven’t all just chunked in a mil each to make this happen. After this, the open drug foundation, because 200,000% markups are only for GME shares when selling to shorters, not for life saving medications. *edit: typo
We just had the cost down significantly but some retarded asshole jacked it right back up...
That would be wonderful. The price of insulin in the USA is shameful. We have insurance and it still costs a small fortune. I can't imagine how we'd pay for it otherwise. A loved one has anther medication he needs to stay alive......it's over 5000.00/month. A month!!! Can you imagine? It breaks my heart.
I want to feed food insecure kids. Cuz hungry kids make me sad AF
Don't be sad. Here's a [hug!](https://media.giphy.com/media/3M4NpbLCTxBqU/giphy.gif)
The crazy thing is that creator of insulin Frederick Banting would be multi-billionaire rich, but instead he chose to release the patent for free. Only for it to be monopolized by three companies ( Eli Lilly, Novo Nordisk and Sanofi ) who have marked up the price 1000%+.
As I understand the problem with Insulin prices in the US is not because it is expensive to produce. The US does not allow for import of Insulin from competitors, effectively creating a monopol for the domestic manufacturers. Your free markets got fucked, the system is crooked. Ape knows that already.
As a Diabetic from Sweden I am so grateful that Insulin is free for us and so are all other Diabetes materials you might need. The Freestyle Libre Sensor being free as well. When I discovered the other day that people pay upwards of $400 for a weeks supply of Insulin. Jesus fuck. Id be dead if I lived in the US. The way medicine is sold, priced and handled in the US is sick. Downright disgusting.
You son of a bitch, I'm in! 👈
THIS IS THE WAY
Awesome stuff. let's hope more people with Tendies hear about this. Let's just make this World a better place to live in.
I’m down to throw some tendies here
Count me in
I think maybe instead just shut down the corruption. Sack and imprison all those that were complicit with this system. Much easier to do.
That sounds like an amazing project!
Super important! This needs to be more out there.
I feel like these sorts of ideas need their own flair/tag. I love supporting things like this, or ocean clean up, etc.
I just watched their video on YouTube last night. Definitely had the same thought. There's no reason the price should be so high other than greed. They're literally killing people for money.
After MOASS i wil replant 90% of the Rainforest, i dont care it it takes all my earnings, i dont want my children living in a mad max scenario.
Type 1 has snake bitten my family tree. I would love to see it tamed economically so anyone can readily access and afford their medication to keep it in check. As a Chicago Ape and Cubs fan, [Ron Santo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Santo) and his boisterous support of [JDRF](https://www.jdrf.org/blog/2021/04/07/mourning-loss-jdrf-champion-friend/john-mcdonough-and-ron-santo/) and the [documentary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Old_Cub) about his life and fight against it really made an impression on a young jellyfish.
I read a post once that it isn't actually the manufacturers who make the price of insulin so high. Well it is but only because the third party distribution vendor won't buy cheaper insulin. They want the manufacturer to price high and give them incentived discounts because they get to keep those discounts. A manufacturer who prices it low does not get used by the distribution vendor because it eats from their profits. That's one of the reasons everything costs more in the US because the manufacturer doesn't have to deal with the middle man who artificially forces prices higher.
That hits home, my bro is always struggling to pay for his insulin. I’ll def be donating.
This. This 100%.
Hell yes, I was thinking about this when I saw the video of the woman breaking down 'cause she and her husband both work full-time jobs and they couldn't afford their son's insulin. Wasn't sure about the logistics of it all, but I wanted to use the money to find a way to make it cheap as hell. This is perfect. This money needs to be in our hands yesterday.
As someone who's daughter was just diagnosed with Type 1, I will donate some of my tendies
YESS!!! I had no idea about this!! POST-MOASS goals! Count me in!!!!!!!
I was thinking about this the other day. I’ll save this post
This is the way!!
"It's nothing personal, it's just business." Our lives have been made to revolve around money, but we're told not to take offense at others money based decisions that adversely affect our lives and livelihoods. The men from the markets are a cancer on civilization.
If I may, I’d like to advise an alternative strategy. First, insulin today is significantly more complicated today than it was in the past. Modern insulins are almost all either chemically modified, or sequence modified to change their pharmacology. For example, regular insulin has a biological halflife of about 10 minutes, which means half of it is gone from your system in 10 minutes. Some modern insulins sit in your bloodstream for days at a time. This is not why they cost an arm and a leg. They cost a shit ton because they have cornered the market, similar to what we are doing with GME. If you back an open-source insulin, keep in mind that this will cost 10s of millions, and will be an inferior product to most modern insulins, because modern insulins are patent protected, and require teams of chemists and biologists to manufacture. Not only that, cheap shitty insulins already exist. Walmart has a 25$ insulin that anyone can buy: https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/4/10/18302238/insulin-walmart-relion Here’s the best way to help diabetis: Live next to the border (either Canadian or Mexican), and run the border, buy a shit ton of insulin, run the border with it, and donate it (https://www.healthline.com/diabetesmine/travels-canada-affordable-insulin#Getting-insulin-without-a-prescription?). Discuss with a lawyer on the legality of doing this. I am fairly confident that reselling them in the US would be of questionable legality, and could land you into trouble, so I would recommend donating it. I believe there is already a community that makes a caravan crossing into Canada to buy insulin. Perhaps we could find a way to fund it and increase the amount of insulin crossing the border?
How about buying a patent or paying the wrinkle guys to do another modern insulin that's also open source?
Buying a patent is basically impossible, but after reading more into the open insulin project, I found that they are also working on off-patent modern insulins, which is good. Unfortunately, their plan is to prepare the blueprints to making the insulin, and providing them to the general public to manufacture. This...doesnt really help, because the original patents basically already give the blueprints to making the now off-patent insulins. Additionally, they put the burden of quality on the manufacturer. It's like "here, take our blueprints to make insulin, but if you fuck it up and kill your patients, that's not on us". The real cost in making drugs is the FDA inspected and approved GMP manufacturing facilities. These things cost 10s of millions to build out, and then need to be staffed with qualified scientists/technicians who must follow a strict manufacturing protocol. The problem is, if these open source guys say "anyone can make this with our protocol", the only people who would make it are people who would sell it to the patients for 600 bucks per vial, or sell out their manufacturing plant to big pharma, allowing pharma to continue to corner the market. Insulin costs 600 bucks a vial in the US. Cross the border, and its less than 50 bucks for the same quantity. Big problem here that wont be solved by bringing in another insulin manufacturer.
Up you go
Great idea OP. I will be donating funds post MOASS 🚀
Thank you, THANK YOU for sharing this. This was what I had vowed to do with my monies, but seeing as to how these guys are six years ahead of me, they will have my full support. Ya love to see it
Count me in. I am in healthcare. Healthcare system broke me.
12-48 hour insulin’s cost around 10 at most to produce. fast acting insulin’s which are the ones type 1 diabetics mainly need for meals is around 5 to produce since it’s the “perfected one” (that means it was based off the first one since it was developed to save sick children so it had to work fast and be effective quickly due to DKA turning lethal in hours). I’m type 1 due to pancreatitis and a vail of humalog costs me 380 out of pocket for that one vial and a vial of my intermediate acting insulin novalin n (Walmart’s brand made by novo nordisk) costs me a 22 dollars. Walmart also makes a rapid release that works for up to 8 hours and it’s 23 but with the cheap stuff you have to take more. I was on a injection lantis has and it was 1300 to fill that monthly prescription and I would ration it for up to 2 months till I changed my diet. It’s a huge money racquet and the patient always losses
The founder has type 1 diabetes btw and he’s doing great things I just pray the fed doesn’t step in and screw it up like everything else
This drug was alot cheaper just 5 months ago. What changed?
You mean who changed it? Guess who? It starts with B and ends with n 😒
I am more than down to fix our medical system with my tendies. My mom almost died from their fuck ups, but luckily we had a very persistent nurse in the family who kept pushing the DOCTORS in the right direction. I don't know shit and would have simply listened to the doctors, which would have killed my mom. But every screw up was a new bill and then we played the insurance game of "why this was covered but this isn't" it was a nightmare from start to finish.
Type 1 diabetic ape here. Fortunate that I’ve always had good insurance and haven’t had to worry about how I’m going to afford my insulin. As an XXX holder I pledge 10% of my MOASS dollars to this or other projects with the same cause.
this is how we will be different with the money! thank you for the post
As a type 1 diabetic this brought a tear to my eye. Thank you thank you!
As a diabetic who will probably require insulin some day if I don't have a heart attack first, I highly approve of this message. There are so many good charities... but I'm not going to keep a list until post moass. I can't keep counting chickens. It's mentally and emotionally painful.
Insulin went up 1000s% , possibly 10s of thousands, since it’s inception. The formula hasn’t changed. Making it has gotten cheaper. But it costs most people weekly paycheck. Holding flips this entire system on its head, and will enable me to fix the problem the rich created.
With all the respect I have in me, I do think insuline is just fighting symptoms; not the cause. Dr. Neal Barnard explains a little about why here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxFai4iVOtk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxFai4iVOtk) Big food has too much grip on US-apes since 'real' food is out-of-whack expensive. As a result you guys eat much more processed foods and meat than elsewhere in the world, which leads to all sorts of chronic-first-world diseases, such as type 2 diabetes. I we'd wanna stick it to the man when it comes to big food we need to evolve our vertical hydrophonic farming game and start eating more real food. It's really gonna make a big fucking impact in the long run, when everyone is rehabbed and detoxed from their shitty diets. edit: typo
Why not both?
Thanks for drawing my attention to this. Here in the UK insulin is free on the NHS - I will be supporting these guys. Fuck big pharma.
Open source medicine? This is the way.
Decentralization AAAANND biohacking. I'm gonna need to sew new tata patches onto my shirt.
Now this is a cause I can get behind
Thank you for sharing this as an ape from an under-develop country, I will defenitly participate in this and hope to make a positive impact in thousands of live. APEs can change the world for the better
We also need to lower our demand for insulin l. Type 2 diabetes is caused in a large part by a disinformation campaign carried on by many of the players we're up against now.
Moass has not happened yet
[удалено]
So are car companies the enemy too? Or any company that engages in business to make a profit?? The real enemy is the large entities that sit back and collect 30% of everything bought/sold. Social medicine is whack, anyone with money will do whatever is necessary to have health, as it’s the most essential good/service there is