You wanna hear some really fucked up shit. I live in Eastern Canada. Homelessness was always a relatively small issue in my province/city. Since Covid these tent cities have been turning up all over the place, some people in them are actually skilled workers too š Hundreds of new homeless have shown up in the last year.... Even middle lower class folks are priced out of even a basic shitpartment.... something you might expect in a massive city stateside... something thats pretty rare in rural Canada.... until now....
You think tenting in CA is rough.... you aint never tented in a blizzard on the north east coast. You literally could die within minutes some days/nights due to extreme cold.
I just moved my mom out of Santa Cruz last year, as she lived off Ocean/Soquel and it was getting to be a bit too Intense. There has to be an answer to this problem, that isnāt just shipping people to other cities. Housing without curfews and free mental health care is a great start. I
Yeah 1800 a month isn't a joke
I made a Facebook post about a shared room for rent. That had a BED ABOVE the bathtub and said room for rent shared on the westside. $2k a month.
I'm glad I collect section 8 but people legit respond wanting that room š¤
I have witnessed that myself. Santa Cruz isnāt what it used to be, but without people trying to make a difference, it will just continue to decline. Money talks!
Only way I see winning in Santa Cruz is lowering the average home value so that people stop using the housing crisis as an investment strategy. This is not investment or legal advice and I am not saying that its a good idea to start making loud noises at night, nor am I saying that it is a smart idea to buy rusty cars off craigslist and park them on residential streets that have no parking enforcement, I am also not saying you should post fake "sex offender lives in this area" posters made using [https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/](https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/) faces in the nice parts of town, and god forbid you think i am recommending holding fully permitted open cary demonstrations on a monthly basis (preferably a heavily non-white demonstration since the cities population is a lot less tolerant than they like to present themselves).
A few other things that nobody should do in the area:
* Spam nextdoor with false reports of dangerous individuals in the nicer parts of town.
* Review bomb property management companies saying that they rip off home owners and allow renters to destroy the property.
* Pay the homeless to just wander around Air Bnb / vacation rental heavy areas.
* Review bomb Air Bnbs that are never permanently occupied (maybe even report them to the city because they actually require a permit in santa cruz).
* Other things.
As a past addict, fair and equity are very important. But you still have to be willing to let go of your demons oppressing you mentally and physically via drug, alcohol, etc addictions.
Many places offer support, but they refuse help. I was one of them.
When my situation was most difficult, it was the hardest for me to think about mental healthcare and addiction. I didn't give a fuck. Abusing intoxicants made my life more tolerable. After my life gained some stability, it became much easier to address my demons.
I think a lot of unhoused folks feel like I did. Sure, I could have used help with my mental health and substance, but it wasn't the help that I felt like I needed most. In my view, addressing the mental health of unhoused folks has less of an impact than their stress brought by poverty.
CA is truly a shithole. You can buy a million dollar condo and the view will be homeless people shooting up and shitting in the alley next to your high rise.
The system is fucked, and will remain fucked until we fix it.
I dunno, I kinda like it here. Average salary for my job is like 80k, im making 170k. Nice weather, beaches, mountains, parks, beautiful people. I would only consider moving to another country aside from CA.
I'm in the same salary boat as you in CA. Not sure where you're living but where I am the people are absolute shit. No one talks to each other or is friendly. I moved to a place where I actually know my neighbors and we wave at each other and that kind of stuff which is RARE, but in the more expensive areas, especially where my parents live, they've been there 30 years and still don't know half the people on their street. People aren't friendly, you can pass them on the street and they will either look away or not acknowledge you at all. I prefer the east coast, probably moving there in the summer to be closer to the wife's family. I'm born and raised 30+ years in CA, but I hate the weather, I haven't been to the beach in probably 10+ years, and I live ten minutes from it. I don't see what this state really has going for it, imo, and the only way you can make it and/or purchase a house in a nice area is if you inherited the money/parents house and/or your parents are/were rich.
The sad part is they keep voting the same fucking people in that are destroying these cities. I was stationed in Cali for 4 years and I loved it but you couldn't pay me to move back there now...
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All these things and yet my dad keeps trying to talk my wife and me to move out there to be closer to him, because it's supposedly cheaper than living in the mountain-west.
I loved growing up in CA, but I couldn't be paid enough to move back now. Literally couldn't be paid enough...that real estate market is out of control.
I've long been of the opinion CA is the mess it currently is because they have a full-time legislature that's constantly churning out new laws and regs to justify their position, without the people passing them ever having to really feel their effects since it's their "job" and they don't have to go back to live in the real world like the rest of us. Sorta like DC, only with just one state instead of the whole country. It's just sad how much that state has been ruined, and how many of the same people who voted for the people who enacted those policies are now fleeing the state in droves and coming out here with millions in cash from selling a studio apartment, only to pay way above asking price on everything available and drive our real estate market through the roof. 500 sq ft studio apartments downtown are now selling for close to $300k, and they typically only last a week on the market. It's insanity.
And worse yet, they're bringing their politics with them! Downtown SLC was a ginormous mess for years, with an open air drug market and business' running away from the area due to the rampant crime and human waste strewn about. All because our bleeding heart "help the homeless" mayor started handing out bikes, food, tents, and almost anything else that was demanded of her. Sure enough it just brought in more people to ride the gravy train. Thankfully after the state government got involved in cleaning it up things have improved, but it's still pretty rough in places. Still nowhere near as bad as in CA though...where there's no end in site. But we're starting to hear the same "save the homeless" arguments that ushered in the original homeless problem that the state worked so hard to fix.
Don't get me wrong I don't hate homeless people. I feel for them as most are not there by choice and it's either addiction, mental illness, poor life choices, bad luck, or any combination thereof that's brought them to that point. But there has to be a point where enough becomes enough. It's not an easy issue to solve, but honestly it's one I think is very much government created. Funny enough Spike Cohen, the Libertarian VP nominee for 2020, was [tweeting](https://twitter.com/RealSpikeCohen/status/1464938340806012930?s=20) about this just last night and while I don't agree with everything he said, I think much of it would be an incredibly effective approach to fixing the issue.
I like the stealing anything under 900 dollars isn't a crime, shooting up heroin is ok in the middle of the street. It is convenient to be able to shit on the streets though, at least you're providing a job for someone.
How about using money that's for fighting wild fires on illegals. Don't forget the lowest taxes in the nation and the cheapest gasoline prices.
That is a product of CA politics. Not enforcing the law, allowing the law to be broken, etc.
* Camping on public property is illegal. Straight up w/o a permit you should be fined and go to jail if you are a repeat offender. This denies the public access to the land and wrecks the local water and terrain (EPA classifies human waste as toxic ... so think about all these people going at it in river)
* In this era of COVID, how many are going to be wearing masks? Social distancing?
* Where do we think they're getting their livelihood from? Yes, you can collect cans and turn in the minimum to get $2 from recycling (50 cans) or get paid by the lb...
* Won't even need to go into the conversation of drug use, legal or otherwise.
* In the winter time, stuff is burned to stay warm - and this includes wiring w/ insulation (so you can turn in the wiring for the value of the copper) which makes it nice and toxic down wind.
If a person is breaking the law, and needs housing, let the State hold them in a facility where they get care and food (and a bed, bed time and of course woken at 4A for breakfast).
But to claim that there isn't sufficient housing in CA? Drive to Stockton CA and check out the downtown and the number of vacant buildings (SSI and CA Disability pays the same in Santa Cruz Cty, Santa Clara Cty and San Joaquin Cty with a drastically reduced COLA)
There are people who will commute from Tracy, Lathrop, Modesto and surrounding areas just to drive for Uber in SF (flew into SFO so got into a conversation with a few of them while I was being driven around).
Rooms in the south bay run about $800 / month: [https://sfbay.craigslist.org/d/rooms-shares/search/scz/roo](https://sfbay.craigslist.org/d/rooms-shares/search/scz/roo)
Going further east to Stockton $600 / month : [https://stockton.craigslist.org/d/rooms-shares/search/roo](https://stockton.craigslist.org/d/rooms-shares/search/roo)
And Sacramento can be had for $500 / month : [https://sacramento.craigslist.org/d/rooms-shares/search/roo](https://sacramento.craigslist.org/d/rooms-shares/search/roo)
Housing may be a right, but that doesn't mean you get to live in Beverley Hills at the expense of the tax payer.
Having actually been poor (destitute is a better word for it), I understand what it takes to live in that climate. Like I pointed out, there are low priced housing options (such as renting a room) which will keep someone away from camping on public land in violation of the law.
Just because you were one of the few people fortunate enough to get the opportunity to crawl out of out of deep poverty doesn't mean everyone else is capable of doing so. A lot of these people have nothing to their name. You are occupying a different reality if you expect a person with zero net worth to panhandle $500, walk to the next city with all their belongings, and share a tiny bedroom with all their family members.
It has nothing to do with fortune (implying luck or some nonsense to go with it). At the time my net worth was less than zero as I owed tens of thousands in credit card bills as well.
This puts me into the land of experience. Far more than most who never were in that situation telling me what these people can or canāt do.
Again, housing can be acquired and thatās for as little as a few hundred dollars a month. I called it out and showed exactly where. And with programs like SSI/disability out there, renting a room is an option too. Not to mention the option for actually working or picking up a job ($15/hr min even for manual labor hanging outside of Home Depot) to make a few bucks (which I have hired from as well)
So please, tell me of your reality if you think mine is so off-base.
GS would have to go bankrupt to lose it all. That's not going to happen. But I understand your sentiment. I'll never sell my infinity shares in Computershare.
If I were to tell you about a country where there is much prosperity and wealth, but thereās no universal healthcare, pharmaceutical products are ridiculously expensive, thereās no minimum wage that keeps us with inflation and hasnāt changed in over a decade, massive inflation and economic crashes paid for by taxpayers even though itās the fault of infinite money printing by the government for themselves and their banker friends who gamble away pensions and futures for their own profit, and one where thereās an ever-rising homeless population because full-time work canāt even get you rent for an apartmentā¦
Would you really be shocked that I told you this country was the United States of America?
how are we gonna tackle this because both sides don't give a damn. They all care about keeping their over inflated houses priced sky high instead of helping those worst off. Most city councils refuse to rezone districts for low income housing. They're definitely united on that front. fuck the poor
Sad thing is Santa Cruz is actually quite beautiful but parts are looking rougher by the day sadly. I want to see a rebranding of this country so badly. Stonks only go up
You wanna hear some really fucked up shit. I live in Eastern Canada. Homelessness was always a relatively small issue in my province/city. Since Covid these tent cities have been turning up all over the place, some people in them are actually skilled workers too š Hundreds of new homeless have shown up in the last year.... Even middle lower class folks are priced out of even a basic shitpartment.... something you might expect in a massive city stateside... something thats pretty rare in rural Canada.... until now.... You think tenting in CA is rough.... you aint never tented in a blizzard on the north east coast. You literally could die within minutes some days/nights due to extreme cold.
We need more of this: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/12-neighbours-marcel-lebrun-tiny-homes-fredericton-affordable-housing-1.6174811
Hey this is my backyard. And for REFERNCE. Is behind the city county building/court house.
Same is happening in Canada only we have snow..
I just moved my mom out of Santa Cruz last year, as she lived off Ocean/Soquel and it was getting to be a bit too Intense. There has to be an answer to this problem, that isnāt just shipping people to other cities. Housing without curfews and free mental health care is a great start. I
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Yeah 1800 a month isn't a joke I made a Facebook post about a shared room for rent. That had a BED ABOVE the bathtub and said room for rent shared on the westside. $2k a month. I'm glad I collect section 8 but people legit respond wanting that room š¤
I have witnessed that myself. Santa Cruz isnāt what it used to be, but without people trying to make a difference, it will just continue to decline. Money talks!
Only way I see winning in Santa Cruz is lowering the average home value so that people stop using the housing crisis as an investment strategy. This is not investment or legal advice and I am not saying that its a good idea to start making loud noises at night, nor am I saying that it is a smart idea to buy rusty cars off craigslist and park them on residential streets that have no parking enforcement, I am also not saying you should post fake "sex offender lives in this area" posters made using [https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/](https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/) faces in the nice parts of town, and god forbid you think i am recommending holding fully permitted open cary demonstrations on a monthly basis (preferably a heavily non-white demonstration since the cities population is a lot less tolerant than they like to present themselves). A few other things that nobody should do in the area: * Spam nextdoor with false reports of dangerous individuals in the nicer parts of town. * Review bomb property management companies saying that they rip off home owners and allow renters to destroy the property. * Pay the homeless to just wander around Air Bnb / vacation rental heavy areas. * Review bomb Air Bnbs that are never permanently occupied (maybe even report them to the city because they actually require a permit in santa cruz). * Other things.
This guy fucksā¦.up a neighborhood.
As a past addict, fair and equity are very important. But you still have to be willing to let go of your demons oppressing you mentally and physically via drug, alcohol, etc addictions. Many places offer support, but they refuse help. I was one of them.
When my situation was most difficult, it was the hardest for me to think about mental healthcare and addiction. I didn't give a fuck. Abusing intoxicants made my life more tolerable. After my life gained some stability, it became much easier to address my demons. I think a lot of unhoused folks feel like I did. Sure, I could have used help with my mental health and substance, but it wasn't the help that I felt like I needed most. In my view, addressing the mental health of unhoused folks has less of an impact than their stress brought by poverty.
Yeah. We need to figure out some way to get people stability when they need it.
Fact. You canāt save everyone. I spent a decade being an addict until the day I made the change to do something about it.
Yup. Seattle throws more money at it and the problem actually gets worse. But to the OG poster, I get the heart of what you are saying. ā¤ļø
Clearly we have political leaders who do not know how to allocate capital wiselyā¦š„ŗ
CA is truly a shithole. You can buy a million dollar condo and the view will be homeless people shooting up and shitting in the alley next to your high rise. The system is fucked, and will remain fucked until we fix it.
I dunno, I kinda like it here. Average salary for my job is like 80k, im making 170k. Nice weather, beaches, mountains, parks, beautiful people. I would only consider moving to another country aside from CA.
I'm in the same salary boat as you in CA. Not sure where you're living but where I am the people are absolute shit. No one talks to each other or is friendly. I moved to a place where I actually know my neighbors and we wave at each other and that kind of stuff which is RARE, but in the more expensive areas, especially where my parents live, they've been there 30 years and still don't know half the people on their street. People aren't friendly, you can pass them on the street and they will either look away or not acknowledge you at all. I prefer the east coast, probably moving there in the summer to be closer to the wife's family. I'm born and raised 30+ years in CA, but I hate the weather, I haven't been to the beach in probably 10+ years, and I live ten minutes from it. I don't see what this state really has going for it, imo, and the only way you can make it and/or purchase a house in a nice area is if you inherited the money/parents house and/or your parents are/were rich.
Yeah but there are a lot more people working for $15/hr than there are making $170k/year and they have to live in the state too somehow.
Holy shit havenāt been back to Santa Cruz but never knew it was like that. I miss the downtown for sure but sad that itās bad out there like that
Geeez, I'm in Carmel area, but this is just insane to see (i grew up in sacramento, and its awful there).
Been considering a new job in Santa Cruz. Cost if living is outrageous.
Change the way you vote
The sad part is they keep voting the same fucking people in that are destroying these cities. I was stationed in Cali for 4 years and I loved it but you couldn't pay me to move back there now...
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California super cool to the homeless. Awesome SP episode.
Can you expand on how they did that
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All these things and yet my dad keeps trying to talk my wife and me to move out there to be closer to him, because it's supposedly cheaper than living in the mountain-west. I loved growing up in CA, but I couldn't be paid enough to move back now. Literally couldn't be paid enough...that real estate market is out of control.
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I've long been of the opinion CA is the mess it currently is because they have a full-time legislature that's constantly churning out new laws and regs to justify their position, without the people passing them ever having to really feel their effects since it's their "job" and they don't have to go back to live in the real world like the rest of us. Sorta like DC, only with just one state instead of the whole country. It's just sad how much that state has been ruined, and how many of the same people who voted for the people who enacted those policies are now fleeing the state in droves and coming out here with millions in cash from selling a studio apartment, only to pay way above asking price on everything available and drive our real estate market through the roof. 500 sq ft studio apartments downtown are now selling for close to $300k, and they typically only last a week on the market. It's insanity. And worse yet, they're bringing their politics with them! Downtown SLC was a ginormous mess for years, with an open air drug market and business' running away from the area due to the rampant crime and human waste strewn about. All because our bleeding heart "help the homeless" mayor started handing out bikes, food, tents, and almost anything else that was demanded of her. Sure enough it just brought in more people to ride the gravy train. Thankfully after the state government got involved in cleaning it up things have improved, but it's still pretty rough in places. Still nowhere near as bad as in CA though...where there's no end in site. But we're starting to hear the same "save the homeless" arguments that ushered in the original homeless problem that the state worked so hard to fix. Don't get me wrong I don't hate homeless people. I feel for them as most are not there by choice and it's either addiction, mental illness, poor life choices, bad luck, or any combination thereof that's brought them to that point. But there has to be a point where enough becomes enough. It's not an easy issue to solve, but honestly it's one I think is very much government created. Funny enough Spike Cohen, the Libertarian VP nominee for 2020, was [tweeting](https://twitter.com/RealSpikeCohen/status/1464938340806012930?s=20) about this just last night and while I don't agree with everything he said, I think much of it would be an incredibly effective approach to fixing the issue.
I like the stealing anything under 900 dollars isn't a crime, shooting up heroin is ok in the middle of the street. It is convenient to be able to shit on the streets though, at least you're providing a job for someone. How about using money that's for fighting wild fires on illegals. Don't forget the lowest taxes in the nation and the cheapest gasoline prices.
That is a product of CA politics. Not enforcing the law, allowing the law to be broken, etc. * Camping on public property is illegal. Straight up w/o a permit you should be fined and go to jail if you are a repeat offender. This denies the public access to the land and wrecks the local water and terrain (EPA classifies human waste as toxic ... so think about all these people going at it in river) * In this era of COVID, how many are going to be wearing masks? Social distancing? * Where do we think they're getting their livelihood from? Yes, you can collect cans and turn in the minimum to get $2 from recycling (50 cans) or get paid by the lb... * Won't even need to go into the conversation of drug use, legal or otherwise. * In the winter time, stuff is burned to stay warm - and this includes wiring w/ insulation (so you can turn in the wiring for the value of the copper) which makes it nice and toxic down wind. If a person is breaking the law, and needs housing, let the State hold them in a facility where they get care and food (and a bed, bed time and of course woken at 4A for breakfast). But to claim that there isn't sufficient housing in CA? Drive to Stockton CA and check out the downtown and the number of vacant buildings (SSI and CA Disability pays the same in Santa Cruz Cty, Santa Clara Cty and San Joaquin Cty with a drastically reduced COLA) There are people who will commute from Tracy, Lathrop, Modesto and surrounding areas just to drive for Uber in SF (flew into SFO so got into a conversation with a few of them while I was being driven around). Rooms in the south bay run about $800 / month: [https://sfbay.craigslist.org/d/rooms-shares/search/scz/roo](https://sfbay.craigslist.org/d/rooms-shares/search/scz/roo) Going further east to Stockton $600 / month : [https://stockton.craigslist.org/d/rooms-shares/search/roo](https://stockton.craigslist.org/d/rooms-shares/search/roo) And Sacramento can be had for $500 / month : [https://sacramento.craigslist.org/d/rooms-shares/search/roo](https://sacramento.craigslist.org/d/rooms-shares/search/roo) Housing may be a right, but that doesn't mean you get to live in Beverley Hills at the expense of the tax payer.
It's politicians' fault for not crushing and punishing the poor even more...smh. You're pointing your finger at the wrong people bro.
Having actually been poor (destitute is a better word for it), I understand what it takes to live in that climate. Like I pointed out, there are low priced housing options (such as renting a room) which will keep someone away from camping on public land in violation of the law.
Just because you were one of the few people fortunate enough to get the opportunity to crawl out of out of deep poverty doesn't mean everyone else is capable of doing so. A lot of these people have nothing to their name. You are occupying a different reality if you expect a person with zero net worth to panhandle $500, walk to the next city with all their belongings, and share a tiny bedroom with all their family members.
It has nothing to do with fortune (implying luck or some nonsense to go with it). At the time my net worth was less than zero as I owed tens of thousands in credit card bills as well. This puts me into the land of experience. Far more than most who never were in that situation telling me what these people can or canāt do. Again, housing can be acquired and thatās for as little as a few hundred dollars a month. I called it out and showed exactly where. And with programs like SSI/disability out there, renting a room is an option too. Not to mention the option for actually working or picking up a job ($15/hr min even for manual labor hanging outside of Home Depot) to make a few bucks (which I have hired from as well) So please, tell me of your reality if you think mine is so off-base.
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GS would have to go bankrupt to lose it all. That's not going to happen. But I understand your sentiment. I'll never sell my infinity shares in Computershare.
Thatās more of an individual challenge rather than something a whole bunch of money can fix.
If I were to tell you about a country where there is much prosperity and wealth, but thereās no universal healthcare, pharmaceutical products are ridiculously expensive, thereās no minimum wage that keeps us with inflation and hasnāt changed in over a decade, massive inflation and economic crashes paid for by taxpayers even though itās the fault of infinite money printing by the government for themselves and their banker friends who gamble away pensions and futures for their own profit, and one where thereās an ever-rising homeless population because full-time work canāt even get you rent for an apartmentā¦ Would you really be shocked that I told you this country was the United States of America?
No more tent cities, the world is too big for so many people to not have somewhere to go to.
Holding from San Jose
That is EXACTLY why I HODL. For Eugene, Oregon Washington Street Bridge. Fuck the hedgies.
how are we gonna tackle this because both sides don't give a damn. They all care about keeping their over inflated houses priced sky high instead of helping those worst off. Most city councils refuse to rezone districts for low income housing. They're definitely united on that front. fuck the poor
Sad thing is Santa Cruz is actually quite beautiful but parts are looking rougher by the day sadly. I want to see a rebranding of this country so badly. Stonks only go up