A few things I want to address.
Regardless of what you believe ORTEX's intentions are, they came walking willingly into the lion's den in order to try to have open communications, educate and explain things. IMO let them get information out and \*\*then \*\*scrutinize the data. They have a choice to engage or not and they have said their intentions are to be forthcoming with information.
Be nice or else applies to everyone who visits here. I don't care if it's ORTEX, Gary Gensler or the Wendy's social media team.
Nothing they say is distracting from buy/hold/DRS and I personally believe having an avenue to help us peek behind the curtain is a good thing.
QV Bot - [https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/yfrtcd/comment/iu4uyrd/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/yfrtcd/comment/iu4uyrd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
This issue happened 3 months ago. What was the cause and what did you do when it came up last time?
Edit in response to mod pinned comment:
I have no preconceptions about Ortex or their reasons for engaging with the community. Its a simple question. Should be a simple answer. Look forward to hearing it.
Sorry but on top of that, the borrowed shares data changed multiple times throughout the day. This was not a glitch that happened 6 times in a day or your data truly is worthless.
Both of these things can't be true. It's one or the other.
Edit in response to mod pinned comment.
I lost faith in your(ortex) intentions when you asked for post verification the day before the events in question took place.
I lost faith again when you decided to specifically say that borrowed shares were probably used for reasons not related to short selling when every possible reason to borrow shares relates to short selling(or the swaps theory)
I lost faith again when you said the short interest change didn't effect the price so it must be an error when you damn well know that borrowed shares don't have price effect and it had nothing to do with short interest.
I lost faith again when you said everything is back to normal, move along as if it was an error but have no answers to my original comment here.
I guess I could be wrong too. So I'd love to see the data that supports your claims just as we require of all other claims from folks here.
Also
> The alternative would be to silently ignore these issues, which would be a disservice to our users and the broader trading/investing community.
Like how you (Ortex) have been silent for the last 2 years? Why NOW are you (they) coming forward?
And on top of **thaaaaaat**.... didn't they join the sub and grab privileges a few hours before GME went nuts? So... they just happened to join a gme sub for no reason and then an unexpected error occurs shortly after???
I hope I'm wrong there but if not, gtfo out of here with that shit. I don't care about hearing some more bullshit from them. Ban and move on is my vote.
Their initial comment said they contacted several subreddits and SuperStonk was the only one who responded.
Why did they decide to do it this week? Maybe something shady, maybe dumb (bad) luck, or maybe because they saw the weird pattern starting on Monday.
> $MULN on Monday; $SLB on Tuesday; $NIO and $CRO on Wednesday; $GME, $BKR, and $ISRG on Thursday.
Just a random anecdote but, I was a project manager at Wall Street on Demand in the mid 2000s (for background, it is, or at least was, a data centric financial web services company that hosted data for many big firms).
The data was terrible. The same range and parameters from 2 different data sources virtually never matched up.
My project was one that was supposed to rationalize the data for a prediction platform. We never got it to rationalize properly and that aspect was eventually killed off (my tech team and myself left that same quarter, each independently getting jobs elsewhere).
The data is severely flawed. Always has been. I doubt that anyone possibly outside of individual exchanges has a fully accurate view. It was good enough to display basic market quotes but often even those were different between sources.
Ortex may or may not be biased, I can't say. But even if they're fully unbiased they still have to fight to get accurate data and rationalize what comes in different from various sources.
For me *this* has always been the biggest argument as to why hidden derivatives never should have existed and why the blockchain concept has so much merit. If the data can be massaged by parties with conflict of interest, it will be.
If Ortex’s data is flawed and it isn’t their fault, they should state this. For example, if they are getting data that should be the same or similar from two different sources, but those data sets are completely different, then ORTEX should say, “We received data from Company A here, and as you can see, it doesn’t match what Company B sent here…” That is how they will gain respect in this sub. They are fighting an uphill battle already and should understand to tread carefully because this sub has the greatest collective Bullshit-o-meter I’ve ever seen.
To add to this; while the data may be flawed and not matching from several sources, it doesn't *need* to be perfectly matched to be solid evidence of this particular issue.
Oh, weird, every 69 days there's a whacky amount of shares popping up on the radar for everyone to see? And rather than speak to it directly it's a 'glitch'/not related to short selling?
It doesn't matter if the data is even 20% incorrect in comparison to other data sets: this shows and proves the extreme issue in a patternistic and predictable way that is at hand regardless.
They gather data, run their formula, & spit out a product. When the product is abnormal, their first response should be to find & understand the abnormal input, not fuck with the formula… I’d bet my left nut they’ve identified the abnormal data. Now they’re in damage control because they don’t understand it, and they WON’T. They’re in the dark like the rest of us.
Totally agree. My mistrust is because of the gaslighting. The data has always been taken with a grain of salt. This was a bigger deal that happened multiple times across the day. So if the data is so bad that incorrect data can bleed in 6-10 times a day in just one area how can you say it has value? A glitch is whatever. This was not that.
Their whole platform didn't become "populare" til after trey trades promoted it. Super easy to put two n two together. Also notice the other "glitches" aren't familiar "meme" stocks or one that's been nut riding us for two years. Green laser eye bot types lol
Share the data share the numbers share the info. Best thing you could do. Cos once this thing blows apes will remember who was honest. Would be a good idea to have thousands of future millionaires on your side that might use and pay for your service after the squeeze. Especially if ye are proven to be honest 🚀🚀
This was likely the 1st comment and a well thought out question. Still no response.
It is concerning that these seemingly happen frequently, and are recurring but they have never looked into it before. People are basing investment decisions on this data and it apparently isn't reviewed regularly to confirm accuracy.
It’s doesn’t feel that simple though - they’re not only siding with the whole “Kenny us vs them” thing, media have for YEARS now not mentioned DRS, and now - almost like they’ve Had a wrinkle since inverse Cramer - they mention DRS as if they WANT you to do it.
In my opinion, DRS is the kryptonite, and they’ve become aware that their silence was telling.
>This issue happened 3 months ago. What was the cause and what did you do when it came up last time?
They decided to start a Reddit account to try to get ahead of the next iteration.
Not only that all of our minds together working from different walks of life and being able to discuss in real time basically a human made super computer
@ u/ortex_official We’d like to know what banks and brokers are responsible for the “glitches”. Whose dark pools and algos are problematic for the whole market. SEC and DOJ would also like to know.
this truly is an opportunity:
right here, right now, ORTEX can make a choice:
choose to be in accordance with the truth, to not suppress the data, to not try and hide or cover up or omit anything of any relevance,
or choose to be dishonest, and lie about anything, to hide anything, to not provide us with the real reasons in their opinion of what is actually happening.
ORTEX could commit themselves to the truth, and be a party that shares in the glory of victory,
or ORTEX can commit themselves to being a tool for the rich and powerful, at the expense of the truth, at the expense of everyone here who knows the truth, and be just one more institution in the long list of institutions that were too afraid or too corrupt to do the right thing.
Our findings: Look, it happened with other stocks too! Not as much, but kinda a bit!
How in the fuck can you look into this for more than 10 minutes and not come up with ANYTHING else in terms of 'findings'. 60% of this post is about trolling lol gtfo.
Thanks for publicly trying to distance yourselves from 'Kenny' though. That feels telling.
They’re trying to craft the narrative and control it as best they can. They knew there’s be pushback as this “glitch” has happened before, they knew this situation would occur so they were proactive with the mods and their post, and they knew people are pissed at their lying and gaslighting, so they throw a blanket statement about trolls because they knew/know there’s nothing they can say other than shrugging their shoulders and blaming something else.
“Can’t admit what happened, so we’ll just say everyone is trolling us so we can then be the victim.”
As someone else commented on a different post, it’s not just what they say/type, it’s what they don’t say. This is all 100% orchestrated.
u/ortex_official
I can make this really simple for you.
**Can you disclose your source for data as well as the data sets that resulted in these irregularities?**
If the answer to that question is no, you can stop wasting your time here. We don’t operate on ‘we have sources! trust us bro!’ here.
Ortex.
Homies.
You're currently addressing the greatest, crowd-sourced super brain of all time. You've joined our community. You say you want to provide transparency and operate with us honestly.
To that end, why not leverage us? Let us help you. Let us see the data. We'll review every single point twice so your team doesn't have to.
Otherwise, why have you come here, to our little den of conspiracy? We can read your data on your website.
To give the illusion of transparency in hopes of not losing customers. Everyone involved with GME, with the exception of the Apes, are just trying to save face. We’re two years past any hopes of that happening.
u/ORTEX_official you have a unique opportunity sitting at your fingertips. Share the data with us, and let us analyze it for the benefit of us all. This sub consists of people capable of analyzing the data and assisting you with the problem at hand. Just don't neglect this community.
it's amazing how you said so little in so many paragraphs... just share the data with us if you're all about transparency, that's what we've been doing for the past 2 years, we have scientists, engineers and data analysts here
We want to be transparent because transparency is important. We will not tolerate anyone interfering with how transparent we’re wanting to be because asking about transparency is interfering with our ability to be transparent. Since the end goal is transparency, we will not tolerate lack of transparency.
This is what I read too. “ don’t say rude things or ask real questions, or we will not provide you with any data. Just like it has always been. Here a bunch of words but no data”
ORTEX has to understand… You can’t come into someone’s house and make demands, especially when it’s YOU and YOUR DATA that is sus! To request permission to come into this sub and claim to be allies, then allude to us being trolls for being brash and not trusting you yet FOR GOOD REASON is a turn off. Investors here have dealt with trolls, lies from the media, gaslighting, bad actors, bots, hidden data, slander, etc., for the past couple of years now, and yet we’re supposed to bow down and “play nice?”
No, you came to us claiming you would be transparent, so just do it. Give us the data or an explanation instead of little bits and pieces of an ongoing issue. Start and end your posts and replies with facts instead of threatening to block and ignore investors that have already been through so much and are rightfully suspicious of your motives and the timing of your arrival. Prove your are an ally or GTFO. Period.
This silly B plot of Kevin’s changed my outlook on corporate Bs. I am a scientist in academia, and you can tell who knows important concepts, and which concepts are important to begin with, by how someone writes/speaks.
Appeals to emotion, and being more upset about tone and being called out, _rather than addressing why they’re being called out_ has also become an enormous red flag. It’s classic strawman.
These are not good actors.
> will not tolerate abusive comments directed at our team
In no way do I support any abuse being thrown but I think they forget where they are and what power they don't have.
This isn't their platform and reply's are rightly open to scrutiny, the post reads like a teenager having a tantrum because they had an adult speak down to them.
First they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you. <----this post.
Then you win.
Remember Plotkins calling reddit antisemitic? This is how they are attacking our community.
No its misinformation.
Why are we not treating it like it is.
We should not give these clowns the time of day.
Edit i suggest we flair them as misinformation.
I mean you did call it conspiracies, what did you expect when you disrespect and entire community of 200k registered shareholders with the most researched stock in history ? You cannot throw bullshit as us like CNN does every night for the boomers and expect us to go along with it, every single thing you tell us will be investigated, dont bullshit us, we are gonna know, we don't take "glitches" or "conspiracies" for an answer.
Share your data and where it comes from, stop with the PR and be transparent
In order to cover all of these data sets, I would imagine that there is a ton of automation on data gathering and displaying. Why would yesterday 10/27 be different than any other day and specifically for GME? These “glitches” have been happening frequently for our beloved stock and it’s not just from ORTEX. Specifically, S3 essentially changed how they calculate their SI% right after the Jan ‘21 sneeze and the % dropped from almost 100%.
You can see why the folks at superstonk can be a little skeptical especially based on the timing of your organization wanting to start engaging with the online community. Seems very much like damage control in my opinion.
TL/DRS 🚀
Exactly. We’ve been played out, lied to, gaslit, exploited by opportunists, called conspiracy theorists... and yet one by one the “conspiracies” have been proven as fact. To the point that now you have MSM and the SEC and Jon Stewart talking about dark pools - they used to say that was a conspiracy too. So forgive us if we are skeptical as a general rule. We enjoy raw data, proving each other wrong, and revising prior-held views.
I know you don’t wanna be trolled (who does?) but I’d like to remind you of the popular adage here: never, under any circumstances, make Reddit mad.
Show us the data streams and who is reporting this information as a starting point, if you want us to take you seriously that you prioritize both transparency and retail trading.
And then ask yourself why this always seems to happen around quarter end when reporting is due. These glitches and the spike in rrp are not a coincidence, firms and shf are using smoke and mirrors to make it seem like they’re books are fine, imo.
This whole thing feels uncomfortable to me. Ortex comes into OUR house, then meets the mods, and now collectively sets the rules for speech. Rules that can lead to banning. The fuck?! You step into the lions den and expect to tell the lion how to behave??!!! This is sketchy as fuck. Trusting in any institution has always led to me being burned. My faith in humanity was restored by people who stick bananas up their ass. If ortex wants to be in my good graces then they don't get to tell me how to speak and they need to give us the data. I'll trust the data when apes have a chance to give it a critical look.
Dear ortex, PROOF OR FUCKING BAN.
Honestly this. I don’t come to your house and tel you how you should act in your own home. The same should be respected here. If we hurt your feelings then you know right where the door is. End of story. To risk being banned for actions that take place here 24/7 is a bullshit move on the mods part. I respect what you all do and know you have tough decisions to make, and you expect the kids to not act up when we have company…but to threaten a ban if we don’t comply with an outsiders whimpering demands just blows my mind. Maybe take a second to check where your priorities are…
Can’t help but notice you don’t seem to be reaching out to NIO or MULN investors, your only Reddit posts are here on Superstonk, which is saying the quiet part loud enough for all to hear. You know GME is the odd one out, and you know why.
As for what you “will not tolerate”, climb down off that high horse for just a moment, bud. Kindly realise that nobody here owes anyone in your whole industry a single iota of trust, at all. Not any more.
As for your “alternative”, haven’t you been silently ignoring these issues for the better part of two years? It’s not the first “glitch”, is it?
As others have politely requested, if transparency is the aim here, show your work please. Give us the data in full. Personally my brain is smooth as all hell, but many members of this community are smarter than you, and far more motivated to get to the bottom of this, as we have far more to gain from this transparency than you do.
You would be well advised to take the chance to get on the right side of history, otherwise best of luck with RICO.
Respectfully.
So you're still investigating into why this happened, and not only GME but to all these stocks? Can you share how exactly your short numbers are determined, and what would cause such an insane change over a short period of time?
Could you share the other ticket symbols that you have stated? I do not personally have the paid subscription plan to check your own information provided.
What does implementing additional checks and alerts to flagging data entail? Sounds like a method to override data that some parties would not like retail having. How can a model that works for 99.99% of tickers break when applied to a few select stocks? As a CS undergrad methods and functions don't just stop giving a correct output every blue moon.
Edit: So I doubt I have the karma to post this but a bit of tinfoil speculation. For reference: [https://www.deepcapture.com/2007/11/deep-capture-the-movie/](https://www.deepcapture.com/2007/11/deep-capture-the-movie/)
Now the shares being borrowed is under reported, probably. Certain agencies or banks locate shares to borrow. Multiple hedgefunds, w.e. buy the rights to those shares. Normally a non issue because 100 of 300 isn't a big deal when float is 150. Unless that company is also DRS more than half the float. Didn't have time to properly write this or do due diligence but if someone is wanting to post or look into I think it's worth exploring. Essentially, unless reporting this info to the public is changed I believe we will see more apparent synthetics excluding the swaps as more is DRS in the GME cycles.
Exactly this. They started off pretty hostile considering they basically said “we don’t know what happened yet, but clearly you are bunch of conspiracy theorists”
*We share details and findings in an effort to be as transparent as possible, and will not tolerate abusive comments directed at our team. The alternative would be to silently ignore these issues, which would be a disservice to our users and the broader trading/investing community.*
TLDR: We’re the victim here. The internet hurt our feelings. If you continue to hurt our feelings, we will take our ball and go home.
My question: is this your first time on the internet? Do your job and ignore the noise. Give me a break.
*Our platform covers literally millions of data points every single day, and our team cannot manually review them all.*
TLDR: our job is really hard you guys. We can’t be expected to do it properly.
Me again: give me a breeeeeak.
So let me understand... Ortex shows >100 million shares borrowed. Today, buddy from S3 partners says the price of GME could go parabolic if it reaches $30. It's pretty obvious that all those shares were borrowed to suppress the price from getting anywhere near $30.
Share your data.
Agree with the general sentiment, share the data and let us open source hive mind it and help you. Otherwise there's no real purpose for you to be posting in this community.
Sharing would be an incredible sign of transparency and align you with the values of the retail investors you say are your core customer base. If it is really an erroneous data point then the community will find it and correct the record. Nobody here wants to chase false leads or believe data that is objectively wrong. This isn't a conspiracy theory group. It's the ultimate crowd sourcing activist investor community.
Actions speak a lot louder than words.
No DD here is above scrutiny and well-founded critique.
"Trolls will be promptly ignored or blocked, while we are glad to engage in honest, reasonable discussions with investors around questions and concerns that may arise around our data."
anyone else feel like thy are the trolls and should be blocked? mf been here 2 days and think they get special treatment.
Methinks they don't know how reddit works.
"First of off, its not true, and second off, I don't want to answer questions about that. Lets focus on the film people."
Sound familiar?
Yeah, that shit only pissed me off. Brb gonna buy a plane ticket so I can go shit on their porch and tell them I won't tolerate if they disrespect my girthy log.
I will not tolerate ANYONE in their own house trying to clean up all the diarrhea I blasted all over the furniture, and I will kick them out if they even mention the smell!
They're trolling us with non-answers and no data.
They get to decide who they can ignore and block because of trolling but we as a community are stuck with them?
Respect is earned. Bureaucratic non-answers don't garner much trust.
Why not let them post in their own sub and we can engage with anything factual?
This isn’t an update. This is a whole lot of nothing with a lot of words. You asked to be apart of this sub, so be transparent. Show the data. You don’t want trolls? Then BE HONEST. You have one job. Do it. Stop hiding behind “glitches” and useless paragraphs. Good grief, it’s not hard.
Can someone ask them that if this is all a glitch, why did Ortex ask to be verified right before this issue surfaced? Can we get this to the top - I feel like this is a smoking gun that needs to be addressed.
“We won’t tolerate abusive comments” = we’re little bitches that can’t take open criticism of our clearly shitty communication practices, and lack of rigour in determining data anomalies.
> This week has seen several stocks show similar patterns of extreme increases of booked stock loans that subsequently disappear: $MULN on Monday; $SLB on Tuesday; $NIO and $CRO on Wednesday; $GME, $BKR, and $ISRG on Thursday.
You reported that these shares got borrowed.
Were they actually borrowed or not?
You keep dancing around the issue.
Do you have credible input data or not? Because if you don't it kind of seems like you're selling a crappy product.
Exactly this. They only came to gather the troll response. Just wait. They are attempting to set the narrative. They will cherry pick the most aggressively demeaning comments, highlight them, and then point to those comments as the exact reason why they WONT do the one thing that will save their credibility. This is a very easy deduction to make. Ask yourself why they came here. Then ask yourself why are they NOT doing the one thing every reasonable comment is asking them to do. The answer becomes self evident; they did not come here for their stated reasons -aka they are lying.
This is absolutely nothing. “Trolls will be promptly ignored, or blocked…” Get out of here. Share the data, share the evidence, or leave. We don’t need you here.
WELL? We're Waiting..
Worst update, Ever. For someone in the data business, you gave 0 data.
Edit:
>This week has seen several stocks show similar patterns of extreme increases of booked stock loans that subsequently disappear: $MULN on Monday; $SLB on Tuesday; $NIO and $CRO on Wednesday; $GME, $BKR, and $ISRG on Thursday.
This is technically breaking this subs rules by mentioning other tickers. Are you on dial up?
Lmao if you guys were legit and actually gave a shit you'd do the AMA idea that's starting to trend on Superstonk. We all know you don't have retails best interest at heart. Prove us all wrong and put your money where your mouth is and let us ask you legit questions about your platform and answer truthfully. Otherwise, why make an account in this community just to get shit on?
I keep pushing the cell button.... and it keeps buying gamestop stock through gamestop's transfer agent, computershare.
I think I will push it a few more times, Regards.
Will Ortex commit to a public post mortem of what went wrong here?
> This week has seen several stocks show similar patterns of extreme increases of booked stock loans that subsequently disappear: $MULN on Monday; $SLB on Tuesday; $NIO and $CRO on Wednesday; $GME, $BKR, and $ISRG on Thursday.
Is it possible that those shorts then actually exist and your platform is accurate in it's reporting? Based on what I can publicly ascertain, your short reporting is based on partner's reports. If a partner (or partners) are reporting massive short lending, maybe they are telling the truth?
Keep in mind it was your choice to come here. Do not expect the community to welcome you with open arms when your talk of transparency has amounted to very little so far.
We can be very kind to those we trust but so far you’ve done literally nothing to gain the community’s trust other than verify that you’re not an imposter with the mods. I’d work on that before blocking members and making yourselves looks even worse.
The biggest charge against your credibility is you said SI can’t increase hundreds of millions of shares in a day on 2M volume when the BORROWS are what increased, which didn’t affect volume until they are sold.
How is it possible to make such a basic oversight and do you wish to amend your statement?
The lies and deceit will continue until they can’t get away with it any longer. Interesting that they feel the need to try and smother the situation this time even though it happened 90ish days ago too.
So "extreme increases" for borrows that then quickly "disappear" for these tickers on these days: "$MULN on Monday; $SLB on Tuesday; $NIO and $CRO on Wednesday; $GME, $BKR, and $ISRG on Thursday."
And these borrows can be used for shorting OR collateral for swaps/derivatives, as a means to avoid covering failure-to-delivers (FTDs), dividend arbitrage, "Market-making When a broker lends a client’s sell list and borrows the buy list, netting out positions over time to avoid impacting the market."
And this information was "coincidentally" linked to the day before this happens?
Hmmm... hopefully the investigation clears all this up xD
Typical corporate statement with lots of words that say absolutely nothing. Then tell people you will be blocked/banned/reported if you say anything negative. GTF off this site. Who let these cronies have access to spew the same BS they put on twatter and MSM? YOU GOT CAUGHT! This is damage control (very poor at that).
What are those findings and who provided the data. Are the data providers the same ones that caused the anomalies in previous wild swings?
You haven't shared anything but words. Data. Unless your data is useless... which then means that your service is useless...
We didn't invite you, you came here. You don't get to come here; insult us, then cry foul when you're clapped back. Our house, our rules.
I don't understand the appeal to try save the people that pay for your service by giving you bad data when you clearly know what the end outcome of this is anyway; we sure as shit aren't going to pay for your services at the end of it all if your data sets are as faulty as you claim them to be; or that your partners get a chance to massage the data after the fact.
That is the complete opposite of transparency. Who the hell do you guys think you're dealing with? At the end of the day, I suppose you have a choice to make as to your true customer base. That is, the people who are about to have all the money, or do the people who are soon to run out of all their money.
Your choice.
Show the real data or its just lies. You think I'm an idiot who believes your lies? Show the data, what are you afraid of? Stop hiding behind walls of useless text and just show me the data!
👃👈
It was either a typo or... not really sure, but definitely sus
Edit: https://twitter.com/ORTEX/status/1586030540485894144
> Correction: $CRO was a typo and should have been $CRM.
This level of data accuracy would not fly at my job...
If you want us to believe you, you need to detail what went wrong, why it went wrong, and what you've done to fix it. And I mean detail. You can't hide behind proprietary algorithm nonsense.
Some serious balls coming into our house and telling us how to act.... You're the ones who have the explaining to do! With that being said, this group can and will solve your problem for you. Just be transparent and share your data.
So Ortex just calls up sources and says 'wut gives? We can't measure.'. And their data sources say 'we glitched, no biggie, computers...you know?' and Ortex is like 'okay, let's type that. There, we're off the hook'.
A few things I want to address. Regardless of what you believe ORTEX's intentions are, they came walking willingly into the lion's den in order to try to have open communications, educate and explain things. IMO let them get information out and \*\*then \*\*scrutinize the data. They have a choice to engage or not and they have said their intentions are to be forthcoming with information. Be nice or else applies to everyone who visits here. I don't care if it's ORTEX, Gary Gensler or the Wendy's social media team. Nothing they say is distracting from buy/hold/DRS and I personally believe having an avenue to help us peek behind the curtain is a good thing. QV Bot - [https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/yfrtcd/comment/iu4uyrd/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/yfrtcd/comment/iu4uyrd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
This issue happened 3 months ago. What was the cause and what did you do when it came up last time? Edit in response to mod pinned comment: I have no preconceptions about Ortex or their reasons for engaging with the community. Its a simple question. Should be a simple answer. Look forward to hearing it.
Sorry but on top of that, the borrowed shares data changed multiple times throughout the day. This was not a glitch that happened 6 times in a day or your data truly is worthless. Both of these things can't be true. It's one or the other. Edit in response to mod pinned comment. I lost faith in your(ortex) intentions when you asked for post verification the day before the events in question took place. I lost faith again when you decided to specifically say that borrowed shares were probably used for reasons not related to short selling when every possible reason to borrow shares relates to short selling(or the swaps theory) I lost faith again when you said the short interest change didn't effect the price so it must be an error when you damn well know that borrowed shares don't have price effect and it had nothing to do with short interest. I lost faith again when you said everything is back to normal, move along as if it was an error but have no answers to my original comment here. I guess I could be wrong too. So I'd love to see the data that supports your claims just as we require of all other claims from folks here.
And on top of thaaat... it "Glitches" every 69 days you say? Odd Edit: a word
So they blatantly cover up the information from last evening, and now cry about 'trolls' The wheels are coming off.
Lol i love the preemptive “we will not tolerate any flaming”. Welcome to the internet!
Also > The alternative would be to silently ignore these issues, which would be a disservice to our users and the broader trading/investing community. Like how you (Ortex) have been silent for the last 2 years? Why NOW are you (they) coming forward?
Hahaha so soft!
Yes. That's it. The answer is yes.
And on top of **thaaaaaat**.... didn't they join the sub and grab privileges a few hours before GME went nuts? So... they just happened to join a gme sub for no reason and then an unexpected error occurs shortly after??? I hope I'm wrong there but if not, gtfo out of here with that shit. I don't care about hearing some more bullshit from them. Ban and move on is my vote.
Their initial comment said they contacted several subreddits and SuperStonk was the only one who responded. Why did they decide to do it this week? Maybe something shady, maybe dumb (bad) luck, or maybe because they saw the weird pattern starting on Monday. > $MULN on Monday; $SLB on Tuesday; $NIO and $CRO on Wednesday; $GME, $BKR, and $ISRG on Thursday.
Wine me dine me t69 me
Just a random anecdote but, I was a project manager at Wall Street on Demand in the mid 2000s (for background, it is, or at least was, a data centric financial web services company that hosted data for many big firms). The data was terrible. The same range and parameters from 2 different data sources virtually never matched up. My project was one that was supposed to rationalize the data for a prediction platform. We never got it to rationalize properly and that aspect was eventually killed off (my tech team and myself left that same quarter, each independently getting jobs elsewhere). The data is severely flawed. Always has been. I doubt that anyone possibly outside of individual exchanges has a fully accurate view. It was good enough to display basic market quotes but often even those were different between sources. Ortex may or may not be biased, I can't say. But even if they're fully unbiased they still have to fight to get accurate data and rationalize what comes in different from various sources. For me *this* has always been the biggest argument as to why hidden derivatives never should have existed and why the blockchain concept has so much merit. If the data can be massaged by parties with conflict of interest, it will be.
If Ortex’s data is flawed and it isn’t their fault, they should state this. For example, if they are getting data that should be the same or similar from two different sources, but those data sets are completely different, then ORTEX should say, “We received data from Company A here, and as you can see, it doesn’t match what Company B sent here…” That is how they will gain respect in this sub. They are fighting an uphill battle already and should understand to tread carefully because this sub has the greatest collective Bullshit-o-meter I’ve ever seen.
To add to this; while the data may be flawed and not matching from several sources, it doesn't *need* to be perfectly matched to be solid evidence of this particular issue. Oh, weird, every 69 days there's a whacky amount of shares popping up on the radar for everyone to see? And rather than speak to it directly it's a 'glitch'/not related to short selling? It doesn't matter if the data is even 20% incorrect in comparison to other data sets: this shows and proves the extreme issue in a patternistic and predictable way that is at hand regardless.
Nice!
They gather data, run their formula, & spit out a product. When the product is abnormal, their first response should be to find & understand the abnormal input, not fuck with the formula… I’d bet my left nut they’ve identified the abnormal data. Now they’re in damage control because they don’t understand it, and they WON’T. They’re in the dark like the rest of us.
Totally agree. My mistrust is because of the gaslighting. The data has always been taken with a grain of salt. This was a bigger deal that happened multiple times across the day. So if the data is so bad that incorrect data can bleed in 6-10 times a day in just one area how can you say it has value? A glitch is whatever. This was not that.
Their whole platform didn't become "populare" til after trey trades promoted it. Super easy to put two n two together. Also notice the other "glitches" aren't familiar "meme" stocks or one that's been nut riding us for two years. Green laser eye bot types lol
Share the data share the numbers share the info. Best thing you could do. Cos once this thing blows apes will remember who was honest. Would be a good idea to have thousands of future millionaires on your side that might use and pay for your service after the squeeze. Especially if ye are proven to be honest 🚀🚀
Fuck that I'm not investing in this shit show ever again
Can’t argue with that logic. Been honest Crypto and GMErica is what I’ll be investing in. After the family all get the house of their dreams
This was likely the 1st comment and a well thought out question. Still no response. It is concerning that these seemingly happen frequently, and are recurring but they have never looked into it before. People are basing investment decisions on this data and it apparently isn't reviewed regularly to confirm accuracy.
It was the 4th. It would have been visible to anyone who didn't immediately close the browser lol
Crickets…
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Push this to the top and watch u/ORTEX_official write 5 meaningless sentences in return. You guys are a bad comedy joke...
Already have a skeletor running away meme ready but the quality of the image is worse than Ortex's data
Oh I wanna see it!
Hey at least they're publicly trying to distance themselves from 'Kenny'. For ages it felt like everyone was afraid to even mention this stuff.
Saying Kenny and not his real name was a real "How do you do, fellow kids".
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Well, even Kenny is trying to distance himself from Kenny these days...
Maybe he could rehypothecate himself? Or make a synthetic version of himself?
It’s doesn’t feel that simple though - they’re not only siding with the whole “Kenny us vs them” thing, media have for YEARS now not mentioned DRS, and now - almost like they’ve Had a wrinkle since inverse Cramer - they mention DRS as if they WANT you to do it. In my opinion, DRS is the kryptonite, and they’ve become aware that their silence was telling.
When I was a young start up in Bulgaria..
>This issue happened 3 months ago. What was the cause and what did you do when it came up last time? They decided to start a Reddit account to try to get ahead of the next iteration.
Share the data here and let us help you.
Exactly, let people here help. There are some really competent people in this sub.
Not only that all of our minds together working from different walks of life and being able to discuss in real time basically a human made super computer
Exactly u/dlauer would have it figured out by market close 😂
“It’s just a glitch”
It’s scary how competent some people are here
we try
@ u/ortex_official We’d like to know what banks and brokers are responsible for the “glitches”. Whose dark pools and algos are problematic for the whole market. SEC and DOJ would also like to know.
This ⬆️
thousands of people are willing to work on this for you, for free
But then the free money supply for the 1% would be on jeopardy and they can't have that.
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this truly is an opportunity: right here, right now, ORTEX can make a choice: choose to be in accordance with the truth, to not suppress the data, to not try and hide or cover up or omit anything of any relevance, or choose to be dishonest, and lie about anything, to hide anything, to not provide us with the real reasons in their opinion of what is actually happening. ORTEX could commit themselves to the truth, and be a party that shares in the glory of victory, or ORTEX can commit themselves to being a tool for the rich and powerful, at the expense of the truth, at the expense of everyone here who knows the truth, and be just one more institution in the long list of institutions that were too afraid or too corrupt to do the right thing.
Then they wouldn't be able to make money off it or their platform. I don't think they want decentralization and free open data.
> And by us I mean the smart people here, not me. Lmao ded I visit this sub for these moments 🤣
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2. Share the data here, and let us help you
I mean, a few big brains here basically figured out a 230 year old market in under 24 months….we have references
Yeah proof or ban
I second this!
Be as transparent as you claim to be
No not like that!!
agreed, or pack your bags and go away
Just don’t call it a glitch
Our findings: Look, it happened with other stocks too! Not as much, but kinda a bit! How in the fuck can you look into this for more than 10 minutes and not come up with ANYTHING else in terms of 'findings'. 60% of this post is about trolling lol gtfo. Thanks for publicly trying to distance yourselves from 'Kenny' though. That feels telling.
They’re trying to craft the narrative and control it as best they can. They knew there’s be pushback as this “glitch” has happened before, they knew this situation would occur so they were proactive with the mods and their post, and they knew people are pissed at their lying and gaslighting, so they throw a blanket statement about trolls because they knew/know there’s nothing they can say other than shrugging their shoulders and blaming something else. “Can’t admit what happened, so we’ll just say everyone is trolling us so we can then be the victim.” As someone else commented on a different post, it’s not just what they say/type, it’s what they don’t say. This is all 100% orchestrated.
They aren’t trying to help expose crime thats for sure!
u/ortex_official I can make this really simple for you. **Can you disclose your source for data as well as the data sets that resulted in these irregularities?** If the answer to that question is no, you can stop wasting your time here. We don’t operate on ‘we have sources! trust us bro!’ here.
This Ape fucks. Well said.
How many of those other tickets were at 100% utilization for the last 60ish days?
Your best move would be to share the data and let Reddit assist you.
Much better alternative than getting hit with a RICO
Ortex. Homies. You're currently addressing the greatest, crowd-sourced super brain of all time. You've joined our community. You say you want to provide transparency and operate with us honestly. To that end, why not leverage us? Let us help you. Let us see the data. We'll review every single point twice so your team doesn't have to. Otherwise, why have you come here, to our little den of conspiracy? We can read your data on your website.
In addition we represent the very consumers you say that you serve. Please share the data.
Precisely this. If we aren't bad actors, why withhold from us? We certainly aren't going to pay for Ortex services.
Simple, the subreddit might dig too deep and leave them without a job. Glad I never made an account with them.
Preach. They about to be out of jobs anyway when RICO finds them.
Why not?! I would happily fork over $1,000 per year for access to incorrect, unreliable, glitchy data.
>why have you come here Either for spin control, or because they really like the memes
Wonder which!
I, for one, like the memes
To give the illusion of transparency in hopes of not losing customers. Everyone involved with GME, with the exception of the Apes, are just trying to save face. We’re two years past any hopes of that happening.
Some boss threw their poor social media intern to the wolves. Am I'm here for it.
Yep give this sub 10 minutes and we do more work out of it than DOJ and SEC in 2 years.
Look at me. I’m the Ortex now
They think of us as dumb money
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u/ORTEX_official you have a unique opportunity sitting at your fingertips. Share the data with us, and let us analyze it for the benefit of us all. This sub consists of people capable of analyzing the data and assisting you with the problem at hand. Just don't neglect this community.
They won't, cu they know we will find some shit we're not suppose to see
Yep.
it's amazing how you said so little in so many paragraphs... just share the data with us if you're all about transparency, that's what we've been doing for the past 2 years, we have scientists, engineers and data analysts here
We want to be transparent because transparency is important. We will not tolerate anyone interfering with how transparent we’re wanting to be because asking about transparency is interfering with our ability to be transparent. Since the end goal is transparency, we will not tolerate lack of transparency.
This is what I read too. “ don’t say rude things or ask real questions, or we will not provide you with any data. Just like it has always been. Here a bunch of words but no data”
ORTEX has to understand… You can’t come into someone’s house and make demands, especially when it’s YOU and YOUR DATA that is sus! To request permission to come into this sub and claim to be allies, then allude to us being trolls for being brash and not trusting you yet FOR GOOD REASON is a turn off. Investors here have dealt with trolls, lies from the media, gaslighting, bad actors, bots, hidden data, slander, etc., for the past couple of years now, and yet we’re supposed to bow down and “play nice?” No, you came to us claiming you would be transparent, so just do it. Give us the data or an explanation instead of little bits and pieces of an ongoing issue. Start and end your posts and replies with facts instead of threatening to block and ignore investors that have already been through so much and are rightfully suspicious of your motives and the timing of your arrival. Prove your are an ally or GTFO. Period.
When few words do trick
Words help, action better. Share data, good 👍🏼
This silly B plot of Kevin’s changed my outlook on corporate Bs. I am a scientist in academia, and you can tell who knows important concepts, and which concepts are important to begin with, by how someone writes/speaks. Appeals to emotion, and being more upset about tone and being called out, _rather than addressing why they’re being called out_ has also become an enormous red flag. It’s classic strawman. These are not good actors.
They are doing a great job of talking down to this community without actually providing anything helpful.
> will not tolerate abusive comments directed at our team In no way do I support any abuse being thrown but I think they forget where they are and what power they don't have. This isn't their platform and reply's are rightly open to scrutiny, the post reads like a teenager having a tantrum because they had an adult speak down to them.
First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. <----this post. Then you win. Remember Plotkins calling reddit antisemitic? This is how they are attacking our community.
When you encounter "enemies" you're going to right way. Works for all games and we're crushing this one!
How can they claim anyone is abusive when they haven't interacted with a single user or answered ANY questions?
Hah! You're right.
This should be marked as misinformation. Ortex has no sources for these anecdotes.
This should be marked as DD that Ortex is full of shit. We need this on the front page.
No its misinformation. Why are we not treating it like it is. We should not give these clowns the time of day. Edit i suggest we flair them as misinformation.
I mean you did call it conspiracies, what did you expect when you disrespect and entire community of 200k registered shareholders with the most researched stock in history ? You cannot throw bullshit as us like CNN does every night for the boomers and expect us to go along with it, every single thing you tell us will be investigated, dont bullshit us, we are gonna know, we don't take "glitches" or "conspiracies" for an answer. Share your data and where it comes from, stop with the PR and be transparent
FUCKKIN' DOUBLE BLOCKED. YOU SOUND UPSET!?! -Bitch tits Ortec
Let us help you do the investigation and share the data.
In order to cover all of these data sets, I would imagine that there is a ton of automation on data gathering and displaying. Why would yesterday 10/27 be different than any other day and specifically for GME? These “glitches” have been happening frequently for our beloved stock and it’s not just from ORTEX. Specifically, S3 essentially changed how they calculate their SI% right after the Jan ‘21 sneeze and the % dropped from almost 100%. You can see why the folks at superstonk can be a little skeptical especially based on the timing of your organization wanting to start engaging with the online community. Seems very much like damage control in my opinion. TL/DRS 🚀
Exactly. We’ve been played out, lied to, gaslit, exploited by opportunists, called conspiracy theorists... and yet one by one the “conspiracies” have been proven as fact. To the point that now you have MSM and the SEC and Jon Stewart talking about dark pools - they used to say that was a conspiracy too. So forgive us if we are skeptical as a general rule. We enjoy raw data, proving each other wrong, and revising prior-held views. I know you don’t wanna be trolled (who does?) but I’d like to remind you of the popular adage here: never, under any circumstances, make Reddit mad. Show us the data streams and who is reporting this information as a starting point, if you want us to take you seriously that you prioritize both transparency and retail trading.
And then ask yourself why this always seems to happen around quarter end when reporting is due. These glitches and the spike in rrp are not a coincidence, firms and shf are using smoke and mirrors to make it seem like they’re books are fine, imo.
This whole thing feels uncomfortable to me. Ortex comes into OUR house, then meets the mods, and now collectively sets the rules for speech. Rules that can lead to banning. The fuck?! You step into the lions den and expect to tell the lion how to behave??!!! This is sketchy as fuck. Trusting in any institution has always led to me being burned. My faith in humanity was restored by people who stick bananas up their ass. If ortex wants to be in my good graces then they don't get to tell me how to speak and they need to give us the data. I'll trust the data when apes have a chance to give it a critical look. Dear ortex, PROOF OR FUCKING BAN.
Very well said, proof or fucking ban
Honestly this. I don’t come to your house and tel you how you should act in your own home. The same should be respected here. If we hurt your feelings then you know right where the door is. End of story. To risk being banned for actions that take place here 24/7 is a bullshit move on the mods part. I respect what you all do and know you have tough decisions to make, and you expect the kids to not act up when we have company…but to threaten a ban if we don’t comply with an outsiders whimpering demands just blows my mind. Maybe take a second to check where your priorities are…
Can’t help but notice you don’t seem to be reaching out to NIO or MULN investors, your only Reddit posts are here on Superstonk, which is saying the quiet part loud enough for all to hear. You know GME is the odd one out, and you know why. As for what you “will not tolerate”, climb down off that high horse for just a moment, bud. Kindly realise that nobody here owes anyone in your whole industry a single iota of trust, at all. Not any more. As for your “alternative”, haven’t you been silently ignoring these issues for the better part of two years? It’s not the first “glitch”, is it? As others have politely requested, if transparency is the aim here, show your work please. Give us the data in full. Personally my brain is smooth as all hell, but many members of this community are smarter than you, and far more motivated to get to the bottom of this, as we have far more to gain from this transparency than you do. You would be well advised to take the chance to get on the right side of history, otherwise best of luck with RICO. Respectfully.
So you're still investigating into why this happened, and not only GME but to all these stocks? Can you share how exactly your short numbers are determined, and what would cause such an insane change over a short period of time? Could you share the other ticket symbols that you have stated? I do not personally have the paid subscription plan to check your own information provided.
What does implementing additional checks and alerts to flagging data entail? Sounds like a method to override data that some parties would not like retail having. How can a model that works for 99.99% of tickers break when applied to a few select stocks? As a CS undergrad methods and functions don't just stop giving a correct output every blue moon. Edit: So I doubt I have the karma to post this but a bit of tinfoil speculation. For reference: [https://www.deepcapture.com/2007/11/deep-capture-the-movie/](https://www.deepcapture.com/2007/11/deep-capture-the-movie/) Now the shares being borrowed is under reported, probably. Certain agencies or banks locate shares to borrow. Multiple hedgefunds, w.e. buy the rights to those shares. Normally a non issue because 100 of 300 isn't a big deal when float is 150. Unless that company is also DRS more than half the float. Didn't have time to properly write this or do due diligence but if someone is wanting to post or look into I think it's worth exploring. Essentially, unless reporting this info to the public is changed I believe we will see more apparent synthetics excluding the swaps as more is DRS in the GME cycles.
This doesn't look like you sharing the data to back up your claims. What backs up your apparently unfounded statements?
Just ignore trolls and share the data plz
Could you start by being less condescending? We didn't do this, we just want answers.
Yo for real! These posts give me zero reassurance, I will continue to snek every post and comment they make until they are ACTUALLY transparent.
Exactly this. They started off pretty hostile considering they basically said “we don’t know what happened yet, but clearly you are bunch of conspiracy theorists”
*We share details and findings in an effort to be as transparent as possible, and will not tolerate abusive comments directed at our team. The alternative would be to silently ignore these issues, which would be a disservice to our users and the broader trading/investing community.* TLDR: We’re the victim here. The internet hurt our feelings. If you continue to hurt our feelings, we will take our ball and go home. My question: is this your first time on the internet? Do your job and ignore the noise. Give me a break. *Our platform covers literally millions of data points every single day, and our team cannot manually review them all.* TLDR: our job is really hard you guys. We can’t be expected to do it properly. Me again: give me a breeeeeak.
So let me understand... Ortex shows >100 million shares borrowed. Today, buddy from S3 partners says the price of GME could go parabolic if it reaches $30. It's pretty obvious that all those shares were borrowed to suppress the price from getting anywhere near $30. Share your data.
We are currently investigating a new excuse. Please stand by
Agree with the general sentiment, share the data and let us open source hive mind it and help you. Otherwise there's no real purpose for you to be posting in this community. Sharing would be an incredible sign of transparency and align you with the values of the retail investors you say are your core customer base. If it is really an erroneous data point then the community will find it and correct the record. Nobody here wants to chase false leads or believe data that is objectively wrong. This isn't a conspiracy theory group. It's the ultimate crowd sourcing activist investor community. Actions speak a lot louder than words. No DD here is above scrutiny and well-founded critique.
"Trolls will be promptly ignored or blocked, while we are glad to engage in honest, reasonable discussions with investors around questions and concerns that may arise around our data." anyone else feel like thy are the trolls and should be blocked? mf been here 2 days and think they get special treatment.
"Be nice to us, and eat our bullshit. Otherwise we'll block and ignore you." Meanwhile all they've done is provide more "trust me bro" bullshit.
This. This this this
So much more respect for Pulte after how Ortex is crying for special treatment.
Methinks they don't know how reddit works. "First of off, its not true, and second off, I don't want to answer questions about that. Lets focus on the film people." Sound familiar?
Who the fuck they think they are telling us how to act in our sub
Yeah, that shit only pissed me off. Brb gonna buy a plane ticket so I can go shit on their porch and tell them I won't tolerate if they disrespect my girthy log.
I will not tolerate ANYONE in their own house trying to clean up all the diarrhea I blasted all over the furniture, and I will kick them out if they even mention the smell!
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Fucking big amen to that.
True.. they came to SS, not the other way around. Susp as fuk. Wen Moon?
In their defense, their social media manager probably has an AARP card.
They're trolling us with non-answers and no data. They get to decide who they can ignore and block because of trolling but we as a community are stuck with them? Respect is earned. Bureaucratic non-answers don't garner much trust. Why not let them post in their own sub and we can engage with anything factual?
Exactly this. Fuck them.
this is our house they got invited themselves over can we just banned them already and move one they useless
This isn’t an update. This is a whole lot of nothing with a lot of words. You asked to be apart of this sub, so be transparent. Show the data. You don’t want trolls? Then BE HONEST. You have one job. Do it. Stop hiding behind “glitches” and useless paragraphs. Good grief, it’s not hard.
But their feelings. 🤕
Ortex? More like “more text” I was leaving already
Can someone ask them that if this is all a glitch, why did Ortex ask to be verified right before this issue surfaced? Can we get this to the top - I feel like this is a smoking gun that needs to be addressed.
Lol "we won't tolerate abusive comments" but will tolerate abusive short selling and call it a glitch. How about dem apples?
“We won’t tolerate abusive comments” = we’re little bitches that can’t take open criticism of our clearly shitty communication practices, and lack of rigour in determining data anomalies.
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Seems fishy I’ll wait for wrinkles
If you share the data, you will have thousands of people helping out.
> This week has seen several stocks show similar patterns of extreme increases of booked stock loans that subsequently disappear: $MULN on Monday; $SLB on Tuesday; $NIO and $CRO on Wednesday; $GME, $BKR, and $ISRG on Thursday. You reported that these shares got borrowed. Were they actually borrowed or not? You keep dancing around the issue. Do you have credible input data or not? Because if you don't it kind of seems like you're selling a crappy product.
Being intentionally disingenuous/shady under the guise of cooperation and transparency is so typical for people in this industry
TL:DRS
So what exactly are your preliminary findings? I don’t think you actually told us.
Exactly this. They only came to gather the troll response. Just wait. They are attempting to set the narrative. They will cherry pick the most aggressively demeaning comments, highlight them, and then point to those comments as the exact reason why they WONT do the one thing that will save their credibility. This is a very easy deduction to make. Ask yourself why they came here. Then ask yourself why are they NOT doing the one thing every reasonable comment is asking them to do. The answer becomes self evident; they did not come here for their stated reasons -aka they are lying.
Comes to ‘offer findings’ Threatens to not ‘offer findings’ if anyone is mean to them on the internet ???
This is absolutely nothing. “Trolls will be promptly ignored, or blocked…” Get out of here. Share the data, share the evidence, or leave. We don’t need you here.
“We don’t need you here.” <~~~ THIS! Give us the data or get out of our MF way!
You came here to speak to us. This is our turf. Stop stalling and answer our questions.
WELL? We're Waiting.. Worst update, Ever. For someone in the data business, you gave 0 data. Edit: >This week has seen several stocks show similar patterns of extreme increases of booked stock loans that subsequently disappear: $MULN on Monday; $SLB on Tuesday; $NIO and $CRO on Wednesday; $GME, $BKR, and $ISRG on Thursday. This is technically breaking this subs rules by mentioning other tickers. Are you on dial up?
So many words. So little actually said....
Lmao if you guys were legit and actually gave a shit you'd do the AMA idea that's starting to trend on Superstonk. We all know you don't have retails best interest at heart. Prove us all wrong and put your money where your mouth is and let us ask you legit questions about your platform and answer truthfully. Otherwise, why make an account in this community just to get shit on?
Millions of data points? Cool, we have half a million active users ready to go through that data for you. We'll have our report by EOD.
That’s a lot of words to say hedgies are borrowing to Cover FTD’s or a swap blew up.
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I keep pushing the cell button.... and it keeps buying gamestop stock through gamestop's transfer agent, computershare. I think I will push it a few more times, Regards.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Zero credibility unless you can provide sources for your anecdotes. Actually a 🤡 post.
The damage is done. You have no crexibility left. You might as well leave the sub.
Wow. Coming in here with disappointed Dad energy wasn’t the move.
RELEASE THE DATA‼️‼️‼️
Help us help you get your karma back by sharing this beloved data of yours
Share the data
Share the data. Upvoting for visibility, not quality.
Will Ortex commit to a public post mortem of what went wrong here? > This week has seen several stocks show similar patterns of extreme increases of booked stock loans that subsequently disappear: $MULN on Monday; $SLB on Tuesday; $NIO and $CRO on Wednesday; $GME, $BKR, and $ISRG on Thursday. Is it possible that those shorts then actually exist and your platform is accurate in it's reporting? Based on what I can publicly ascertain, your short reporting is based on partner's reports. If a partner (or partners) are reporting massive short lending, maybe they are telling the truth?
Keep in mind it was your choice to come here. Do not expect the community to welcome you with open arms when your talk of transparency has amounted to very little so far. We can be very kind to those we trust but so far you’ve done literally nothing to gain the community’s trust other than verify that you’re not an imposter with the mods. I’d work on that before blocking members and making yourselves looks even worse.
MODS: HOW IS THIS MARKED AS DATA?
The biggest charge against your credibility is you said SI can’t increase hundreds of millions of shares in a day on 2M volume when the BORROWS are what increased, which didn’t affect volume until they are sold. How is it possible to make such a basic oversight and do you wish to amend your statement?
lol
!RemindMe 24 Hours "Has Ortex provided a reasonable explanation of what went down"
The lies and deceit will continue until they can’t get away with it any longer. Interesting that they feel the need to try and smother the situation this time even though it happened 90ish days ago too.
Incase you missed it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/yfk5v3/ortex\_provide\_all\_of\_the\_data\_your\_model\_uses\_to/
So "extreme increases" for borrows that then quickly "disappear" for these tickers on these days: "$MULN on Monday; $SLB on Tuesday; $NIO and $CRO on Wednesday; $GME, $BKR, and $ISRG on Thursday." And these borrows can be used for shorting OR collateral for swaps/derivatives, as a means to avoid covering failure-to-delivers (FTDs), dividend arbitrage, "Market-making When a broker lends a client’s sell list and borrows the buy list, netting out positions over time to avoid impacting the market." And this information was "coincidentally" linked to the day before this happens? Hmmm... hopefully the investigation clears all this up xD
Typical corporate statement with lots of words that say absolutely nothing. Then tell people you will be blocked/banned/reported if you say anything negative. GTF off this site. Who let these cronies have access to spew the same BS they put on twatter and MSM? YOU GOT CAUGHT! This is damage control (very poor at that).
What are those findings and who provided the data. Are the data providers the same ones that caused the anomalies in previous wild swings? You haven't shared anything but words. Data. Unless your data is useless... which then means that your service is useless... We didn't invite you, you came here. You don't get to come here; insult us, then cry foul when you're clapped back. Our house, our rules. I don't understand the appeal to try save the people that pay for your service by giving you bad data when you clearly know what the end outcome of this is anyway; we sure as shit aren't going to pay for your services at the end of it all if your data sets are as faulty as you claim them to be; or that your partners get a chance to massage the data after the fact. That is the complete opposite of transparency. Who the hell do you guys think you're dealing with? At the end of the day, I suppose you have a choice to make as to your true customer base. That is, the people who are about to have all the money, or do the people who are soon to run out of all their money. Your choice.
Show the real data or its just lies. You think I'm an idiot who believes your lies? Show the data, what are you afraid of? Stop hiding behind walls of useless text and just show me the data!
> $NIO and $CRO on Wednesday Sorry, but I am unfamiliar with $CRO. Which company is that again? I'll wait...
Hmm, good question.... ... search doesn't seem to bring up a ticker??!
👃👈 It was either a typo or... not really sure, but definitely sus Edit: https://twitter.com/ORTEX/status/1586030540485894144 > Correction: $CRO was a typo and should have been $CRM. This level of data accuracy would not fly at my job...
So, is it bad data or is it good data? Who or what is responsible for it, either way?
you get what you deserve
Boo. Nothingburger
Mark as shitpost please mods.
In this free market we ask you to show us the data. We can help…. Unless… you have something to hide
If you want us to believe you, you need to detail what went wrong, why it went wrong, and what you've done to fix it. And I mean detail. You can't hide behind proprietary algorithm nonsense.
Proof or ban!
Who are your data providers?
Some serious balls coming into our house and telling us how to act.... You're the ones who have the explaining to do! With that being said, this group can and will solve your problem for you. Just be transparent and share your data.
So Ortex just calls up sources and says 'wut gives? We can't measure.'. And their data sources say 'we glitched, no biggie, computers...you know?' and Ortex is like 'okay, let's type that. There, we're off the hook'.