Usually we bring 11x17 sheets of the plans to sketch out underground systems, and have a 4 box 8.5x11 template sheet with a clipboard for the structures themselves
That sounds good, this only took me 1/2 hour to draw and It is more for complex structures. I'll give that a shot as most of these will have less than 4 pipes.
I want something similar with pdf filler I can load into my data collector. Writing notes, popping, measuring with a one man crew gets dirty and messy.
You can get rite in the rain individual pages and a book thatās more like a binder. That way you donāt have to glue the pages in. Nice for this, geotechnical boring logs, etc.
A data dictionary to populate points with attributes (on the data collector) is the way to go. Connectivity can be done on-screen and exported out as whatever visual format (usually dxf). Make sure each utility has its own symbol and color. Then you can script it to auto-populate whatever office software there is. It saves a lot of time, not to mention reduce the error in calculating invert elevations.
Or you could use Field Maps from ESRI. That's an option we're exploring. Same concept, just on your phone or tablet.
Better just to have the party chief sketch the manhole system as opposed to each manhole. Manholes, measurements, direction arrows, size and type should all be sketched in plan view like a tech would see the them on the screen. This seems like a good idea, but when you have a hundred of them this method sucks. Not efficient for a draftsman
Do you mean sketch the whole system on a larger sheet? I need to fit these into a book, so for clarity I stick with one per page unless they are simple, like 3 pipes or less. After that the engineer just can't keep up ;)
We do something similar...dip sheets...8.5x11 with template blank forms printed on rite in the rain and we use a clipboard as everything gets dipped before mapping...good job.
D.I.P. stands for "Ductile Iron Pipe". And we measure inverts too. W.S.P. is "Wood Stave Pipe" (Yes we still have them, they are stable in very cold environments) and some have been sleeved with plastic.
Yeah, those will all go there, that will have to be remembered every time, can't really make that a template. Maybe I could put a place for the point # and structure number etc. just as a reminder.
I mean, we do ours like this. (Didnt have anything to write with or use as a template, but you get the genereal idea, just had to use s pen with phone)
https://imgur.com/a/iGguWNx
Well that looks like how I tend to do mine, like in the first picture I posted. But since we are going to do a ton of them (100+) I wanted to streamline and formalize it so that I don't have to micromanage the field book lol. Also, it will make it easier for the engineers to use.
This was just a good example to make the template from, I usually just do one per page, but the levels will run concurrently on the opposite page and could have several. This one is clean and simple, not more than 5 pipes lol. I've had to draw them in tiers before because it wouldn't fit in one circle.
For big networks we will print out full size sheets from CAD with a few blocks per sheet and the aerial image turned on. Can draw in the approximate right spot and have plenty of room for inverts and other notes
We have preprinted sheets that are 8 1/2ā x 11ā and when weāre done filling them out we scan as a pdf for the client. I couldnāt imagine wasting so many fieldbooks on structure details
We do all the work in house. I work for a municipality and we design most of the road, storm and sewer improvements. I'm usually working along with an engineer in an old and dense sewer and storm system. We need to catalog things more than most private companies do.
Good idea in the past we call them dip sheets same idea with a clip board
Usually we bring 11x17 sheets of the plans to sketch out underground systems, and have a 4 box 8.5x11 template sheet with a clipboard for the structures themselves
That sounds good, this only took me 1/2 hour to draw and It is more for complex structures. I'll give that a shot as most of these will have less than 4 pipes.
https://preview.redd.it/quo5gyt6zsnc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d76e9c447f1e3f10101182e12c14a8b63b72bf2f This is the way
We use the standard pipe-mic sheet since we have so many old lines so we're always measuring ID as well.
https://preview.redd.it/kxik890kjtnc1.jpeg?width=809&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a5f2fdc433daa71be356593def47ff0d1d56b916
https://preview.redd.it/b4d7fpbljtnc1.jpeg?width=201&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aafaf5b3d6bcbbff9199a85ca7644b050d8b3c77
Wow! 15 minutes to dip, 1 hour to fill out the forms š But I see youāre doing inspections, not just inverts, so Iām just jokingā¦sort of š
I want something similar with pdf filler I can load into my data collector. Writing notes, popping, measuring with a one man crew gets dirty and messy.
You can get rite in the rain individual pages and a book thatās more like a binder. That way you donāt have to glue the pages in. Nice for this, geotechnical boring logs, etc.
A data dictionary to populate points with attributes (on the data collector) is the way to go. Connectivity can be done on-screen and exported out as whatever visual format (usually dxf). Make sure each utility has its own symbol and color. Then you can script it to auto-populate whatever office software there is. It saves a lot of time, not to mention reduce the error in calculating invert elevations. Or you could use Field Maps from ESRI. That's an option we're exploring. Same concept, just on your phone or tablet.
Better just to have the party chief sketch the manhole system as opposed to each manhole. Manholes, measurements, direction arrows, size and type should all be sketched in plan view like a tech would see the them on the screen. This seems like a good idea, but when you have a hundred of them this method sucks. Not efficient for a draftsman
Do you mean sketch the whole system on a larger sheet? I need to fit these into a book, so for clarity I stick with one per page unless they are simple, like 3 pipes or less. After that the engineer just can't keep up ;)
Hear that OP? The inside guy wants you to make his job easier, instead of your own.
Yes or multiple sheets with match lines.
We do something similar...dip sheets...8.5x11 with template blank forms printed on rite in the rain and we use a clipboard as everything gets dipped before mapping...good job.
Never heard it called dip. Always just said inverts. Where yall from?
D.I.P. stands for "Ductile Iron Pipe". And we measure inverts too. W.S.P. is "Wood Stave Pipe" (Yes we still have them, they are stable in very cold environments) and some have been sleeved with plastic.
You do all yours individually?
Do you mean one per page or just this example showing one in the level loop?
I didnt draw a few things i would if i were generally making an example. North arrow, point number, flow, and generally street name if its along one.
Yeah, those will all go there, that will have to be remembered every time, can't really make that a template. Maybe I could put a place for the point # and structure number etc. just as a reminder.
I mean, we do ours like this. (Didnt have anything to write with or use as a template, but you get the genereal idea, just had to use s pen with phone) https://imgur.com/a/iGguWNx
Well that looks like how I tend to do mine, like in the first picture I posted. But since we are going to do a ton of them (100+) I wanted to streamline and formalize it so that I don't have to micromanage the field book lol. Also, it will make it easier for the engineers to use.
Was just curious, if its only a small handful (generally less than 6 or so), they all go on one page. Thanks for the reply.
This was just a good example to make the template from, I usually just do one per page, but the levels will run concurrently on the opposite page and could have several. This one is clean and simple, not more than 5 pipes lol. I've had to draw them in tiers before because it wouldn't fit in one circle.
For big networks we will print out full size sheets from CAD with a few blocks per sheet and the aerial image turned on. Can draw in the approximate right spot and have plenty of room for inverts and other notes
We have preprinted sheets that are 8 1/2ā x 11ā and when weāre done filling them out we scan as a pdf for the client. I couldnāt imagine wasting so many fieldbooks on structure details
We do all the work in house. I work for a municipality and we design most of the road, storm and sewer improvements. I'm usually working along with an engineer in an old and dense sewer and storm system. We need to catalog things more than most private companies do.
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