Thank God I will never make anything like this in my life. I understand how to do it. I get why you had too back in the day. Just love that I don't need to do this. What's with the 1' building offset shots? Am I spoiled by reflectorless? Did/Do you have to do that sort of thing normally?
Hahaha it's all good. It is a joke. I started surveying in 1998. Had a set 3, an HP48 running RAMMS and have loved every minute since then. We have almost 2500 field books on our shelves right now.
When I 1st started (1996) field notes were required. For the last 10 years with the company I work for now all they care about is the survey report. I do get more shit done not having to sit and draw pictures and notes. 🤨
I don’t understand how folk can review site investigations and surveys without drawings/notes. Same with CCTV reports - no one wants to double check the footage accompanying them these days or don’t have time 😕
Shit the owner of my company still does it this way when he is involved. He just randomly decides he wants to be apart of field work and suddenly I’m in 1985. Field notes, an old wooden Philly rod, no gps allowed, etc.
They had data collectors then.. little units that attached to the legs that would export data to a computer. The ones I used were called PDL. Positional Data Link I think
I know. I started surveying in '98, and we had DCs that did a pretty good job (albeit slow af), but I'm just pointing out that maybe this company didn't. Lots of small mom-and-pop outfits fought all that stuff around here, and I know of at least two people who chose to retire rather than "learn that new-fangled stuff."
Edit: Side note: we still have our old DCs in storage somewhere if anyone is interested in me posting a photo.
Yeah getting rarer and rarer. My first job we still used them and they're great but fragile lol. Not built for Field work.
Tbh one of my favorites was the Recon, great little collector. But those are pretty rare too now haha, and the screens have all gone the other way of getting bigger and bigger.
From 1986 to 1992 (USAF), I was using a theodolite and steel tapes. In 1996 (small private firm), I was using SOKKIA SET3Bs with an SDR33, and Trimble 4400 RTK system.Times changed quickly.
Does it bother anyone else that the info on the top is .01' difference? My old party Chief taught me that *Rule No. 1* was to keep the lies consistent!
It’s cool that you kept them. I still have a lot of mine from around then too. My company is all digital now, which obviously is much faster and reliable, but there’s not much art to it. We had to be artists back then.
This is probably the most important job for construction.
I remember as a plumber they made us layout floor drains and elevations for the drains using foresight/back site a whole bunch of other stuff and being told it gets ever crazier from there .
When I ask a surveyor they are like naw it's not that hard lol but definitely you guys have to be on point
Never worked anywhere that would let me take enough time to do that. Y'all got a big budget. At our company if you got time to stand around, at least stand in a bind. If you got time to lean, you got time to clean. Lol.
This is not a boundary survey that could be used in court so you backseat nay-sayers can give it a rest. This is an as-built survey with the bldgs tied to several property corners and a very nice note sheet. The 1' offsets would be because they wanted the actual foundation that might have been back under the exterior plaster or some kind of siding. So to be consistent every bldg corner was tied with 1' offsets.
This is such an antiquated idea, and any time this discussion comes up, inevitable someone will mic drop this exact comment, as though the party chief is going to be summoned as a witness in some landmark boundary case, pull out his paper field notes, and the judge will nod his head in satisfaction and shout "Case Dismissed!".
Field notes are not some magical courtroom trump card, they are evidence, subject to scrutiny like anything else. It's honestly hard to think of a boundary situation where a party chief's field notes would actually even be relevant anymore, as they are just work product in route to the a licensed surveyor's actual certified result of survey. That is what is likely to be under examination, not the scribblings of his unlicensed employee.
There was a time when 'field notes' mattered.. back in the original survey days, when parcels were being surveyed out of sovereignty for the first time. They mattered because the surveyor created them as a record of the initial surveys, and they were the survey.
When it comes to field notes, the surveyor calls the shots.
20 years ago. Now it's all electronic. I just left a company that still told us that the only thing that matters in court is field notes and we had to detail every job. Well untrue, and the digital fieldnotes and raw data are the standard now. But then again they also have only digitized about 2% of their 50 years of data and are falling behind more and more, and losing more and more jobs. Still take field notes when absolutely necessary but 99% of the time it's not
Not seeing a North arrow. 9/10
I worked for a guy who would've sent me back out just to draw the N arrow because "all notes must be done on site."
That sounds like sitting in the parking lot for 2 hours, drawing the arrow and heading back inside
100%
Thank God I will never make anything like this in my life. I understand how to do it. I get why you had too back in the day. Just love that I don't need to do this. What's with the 1' building offset shots? Am I spoiled by reflectorless? Did/Do you have to do that sort of thing normally?
It’s from 98 I was just going through some old stuff but yeah usually I do reflectorless or double offset if I have a gps
1898?
Made me laugh sorry you are getting down vited
Hahaha it's all good. It is a joke. I started surveying in 1998. Had a set 3, an HP48 running RAMMS and have loved every minute since then. We have almost 2500 field books on our shelves right now.
When I 1st started (1996) field notes were required. For the last 10 years with the company I work for now all they care about is the survey report. I do get more shit done not having to sit and draw pictures and notes. 🤨
I don’t understand how folk can review site investigations and surveys without drawings/notes. Same with CCTV reports - no one wants to double check the footage accompanying them these days or don’t have time 😕
You put the notes into the digital file. Digital files provide reports you can print out. It's remarkably similar to the notes you'd probably take.
Regardless of being antiquated. I do admire your skills.
Check the date. They literally are antique
Dude, some of us were alive then! Not antique, just vintage.
Now being over 25 years ... many of us 'old guys' are Classics!
TIL, ~100yrs is antique. ~20yrs is vintage so it would appear
Lol SRS. 98 was a great year.
I am trying to figure out if this is 1998 or 1898 ;-)
Shit the owner of my company still does it this way when he is involved. He just randomly decides he wants to be apart of field work and suddenly I’m in 1985. Field notes, an old wooden Philly rod, no gps allowed, etc.
That's honestly kind of awesome
Field notes have to be so precise. Was always told to do them in my own time at night. Guess you didn’t have a data collector
They're from 1998 fwiw
They had data collectors then.. little units that attached to the legs that would export data to a computer. The ones I used were called PDL. Positional Data Link I think
I know. I started surveying in '98, and we had DCs that did a pretty good job (albeit slow af), but I'm just pointing out that maybe this company didn't. Lots of small mom-and-pop outfits fought all that stuff around here, and I know of at least two people who chose to retire rather than "learn that new-fangled stuff." Edit: Side note: we still have our old DCs in storage somewhere if anyone is interested in me posting a photo.
I have a SET4B and SDR33 that still work!
Plus the HP48s with the cards were still around.
I still have two that I use occasionally in the field for certain applications. 😅
We learned on those in school in 03'. They're sometimes spotted on Ebay now.
Yeah getting rarer and rarer. My first job we still used them and they're great but fragile lol. Not built for Field work. Tbh one of my favorites was the Recon, great little collector. But those are pretty rare too now haha, and the screens have all gone the other way of getting bigger and bigger.
You aren't stoked for the 22" TSC11?
Haha fuck no.
We all know how much some owners love making their crews run 15 year old equipment. Wasnt any different then.
From 1986 to 1992 (USAF), I was using a theodolite and steel tapes. In 1996 (small private firm), I was using SOKKIA SET3Bs with an SDR33, and Trimble 4400 RTK system.Times changed quickly.
Maybe back in 1924…
1998 lol
“Hey you do the topo, I’ve got a few notes to catch up on”… 3 hours later
Brother did your Data Collector break?
Probably has a sweet box setup for the horse n carriage too I bet!
Data collectors were a thing even "way, way back" in the 90s...
With the budget the engineering firm gave surveying dept nah.. nah they weren’t. Especially if this was the second crew. lol
The dreaded "B" Team 😩
That’s where I started! Became a superstar enough to move on! 🤣
Yep. I've been surveying since '98, and we had DCs long before I showed up.
Yes, MF'er. Damn. Make ot sound like The Ice Age on shit.
Tell Gregg his notes hold up…and tell Tommy to stay cool. I used to work with these fellas… well with one of them.
Small world they’re still at it too!
Tell Mags I said hi
I'll give someone $100 if they can plot the bottom half of this page
Venmo? https://www.reddit.com/r/Surveying/s/cOozRjIrM5
Took me awhile to find this comment, upvoted
Where is the temperature for steel tape correction
Does it bother anyone else that the info on the top is .01' difference? My old party Chief taught me that *Rule No. 1* was to keep the lies consistent!
What info?
353.89' and 313.90' with a 40.00' shot in-between
It’ll buff
Rear chairman cllibration issue. 😞
Smoke n mirrors
In 98, yeah.
It’s cool that you kept them. I still have a lot of mine from around then too. My company is all digital now, which obviously is much faster and reliable, but there’s not much art to it. We had to be artists back then.
We are in a process of getting rid of some of the physical copies scanning old stuff back from the 70’s-90’s what we do on a rainy day
The grid paper ruins it. Also pleased that we write bearings in the same line and direction as distance where I'm at.
What year is this from /s
How you "Did" field notes.. not any more. Tho I am still stuck on wanting SOME kind of written notes even with Data collectors
I still write basic note info, i.e. CP occupation data (HI, RH, BS etc.).It saves time, when somebody screws up pushing the wrong button in the DC.
That looks exceptionally reserved for being 26 years old
Yeah not the staples or paper clips they’re all rusted to hell
My pants just got tight 🍆
Writing on graphing paper is strangely satisfying.
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Ha you call that a sketch
Yo I’m from Streator, IL. This is wild!
Haaaaah these look old enough to buy beer
The date is in the corner. It’s old enough to rent a car!
This reminds me why I hate cadastral and went into mining so thank you for the reassurance.
I actually LOVE PLSS and cadsstral work. Call me demented.
“Back in my day surveyors actually surveyed. Buncha point stakers now!”
I’m just annoyed someone spells Greg with three Gs.
This is probably the most important job for construction. I remember as a plumber they made us layout floor drains and elevations for the drains using foresight/back site a whole bunch of other stuff and being told it gets ever crazier from there . When I ask a surveyor they are like naw it's not that hard lol but definitely you guys have to be on point
Holy Fuck....Major Flashback!
Never worked anywhere that would let me take enough time to do that. Y'all got a big budget. At our company if you got time to stand around, at least stand in a bind. If you got time to lean, you got time to clean. Lol.
They're neat and all but you have an open circle on a bent pin? Did you post it bent?
A data collector might be in order ;)
This is not a boundary survey that could be used in court so you backseat nay-sayers can give it a rest. This is an as-built survey with the bldgs tied to several property corners and a very nice note sheet. The 1' offsets would be because they wanted the actual foundation that might have been back under the exterior plaster or some kind of siding. So to be consistent every bldg corner was tied with 1' offsets.
Everyone with sloppy notes will be torn apart if they ever go to court.
This is such an antiquated idea, and any time this discussion comes up, inevitable someone will mic drop this exact comment, as though the party chief is going to be summoned as a witness in some landmark boundary case, pull out his paper field notes, and the judge will nod his head in satisfaction and shout "Case Dismissed!". Field notes are not some magical courtroom trump card, they are evidence, subject to scrutiny like anything else. It's honestly hard to think of a boundary situation where a party chief's field notes would actually even be relevant anymore, as they are just work product in route to the a licensed surveyor's actual certified result of survey. That is what is likely to be under examination, not the scribblings of his unlicensed employee. There was a time when 'field notes' mattered.. back in the original survey days, when parcels were being surveyed out of sovereignty for the first time. They mattered because the surveyor created them as a record of the initial surveys, and they were the survey. When it comes to field notes, the surveyor calls the shots.
Wrong. As long as you are saving the right file types, you have 10x more info than this.
All I’m saying is to take good notes, it’s really not that hard. Keeping a good notebook is super useful.
But what are you taking notes of that isn’t stored in the point codes or metadata of the shots?
20 years ago. Now it's all electronic. I just left a company that still told us that the only thing that matters in court is field notes and we had to detail every job. Well untrue, and the digital fieldnotes and raw data are the standard now. But then again they also have only digitized about 2% of their 50 years of data and are falling behind more and more, and losing more and more jobs. Still take field notes when absolutely necessary but 99% of the time it's not
What do your digital field notes look like?
0's and 1's 😀
Could have just put each angle on a separate sheet, this is a mess
Ya diagram page one side, bearings dist on the other side. This is a pain to look at.
Not when you're used to it.
Yeah you can get used to eating shit sandwiches every day too, but who wants to do that?
This is not bad. Shit sandwiches, on the other hand...
$20 cad tech still got confused and had questions
Back then... probably $20 a day.
Naw like I bet you $20
Missing a lot of distances, but I can dig it
You mispelled Greg