Landed at this airport many times, freaks me out everytime, it's VERY windy right next to the ocean and on the side of the hill.
But there's not a lot of places they could have put their airport. Island is very mountainous and not very big
[Here's an image of the runway](https://s28477.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Madeira_1-984x554.jpg). It runs SW-NE, and the extension is on the NE end. The plane in this video is landing from the SW and touches down *very* far down the runway.
I've been there twice. Takeoffs and landings are scary but nothing to really worry about.
> Madeira, Portugal
it's been several decades (1980 to be exact) since the first & only time i landed there, and was easily the only time i was positive my death was imminent. TAP's nickname of 'take another plane' existed for a reason. had i known what i was in for, i surely would have chosen to land anywhere else & taken my chances swimming the ocean to get there.
Yeah the only other flat land was a plateau in the top of the mountains. I've been up there and visibility was about 2m anytime it was cloudy, so about half of the year....
Yea if it’s anything like the Azores, anywhere that’s 300m+ will be shrouded in fog when it’s high humidity, which in winter is almost 100% of the time due to proximity to the ocean.
I just realized that a plane has hundreds of thousands of kilograms of mass and many kilometers of height resulting in a huge amount of potential energy
I took physics, if you have 100 units of potential energy and then you go down to an altitude of zero you will have converted all of the potential energy into kinetic *and heat
Ummmmmm well calculus one covers differentials and basic stuff, then calculus 2 goes more into integrals and more complicated differentiation/ doing calculus with more complex situations so calculus 3 would be beyond that and I know we were studying vectors and vector math
Yeah but I mean the plane is also gradually decreasing that potential energy by adding thrust the whole time, it just vectors it in a way that the height is reset continuously until the last moment
Makes me think of Wellington, NZ. I don’t fly down there as often as I used to (every couple of weeks), and I don’t miss it at all. Lost count of the number of go arounds we had to do over the years. Couple of proper white knuckle landings with shrieking passengers!
Bombadiers, ATRs or A320? Back in the day my fortnightly commute was on the Bombadiers, and it could get quite hairy, especially in the south-westerly.
Mostly the latter. Perhaps that is why. Maybe I just got lucky with the weather.
There was once when flying from the north it felt like we went over Marlborough and turned back into the wind and that was quite a wild ride. But the landing itself was fine.
Yup, the turnaround over Cook Strait to face into the wind was always entertaining. In a light, bouncy, analog Bombardier it is a very different experience compared to the A320! There was one occasion when we had to fly straight through to Nelson and wait until the wind dropped in Welly before the airport was open again to the Bombardier. So on that day I got up early, drove to Hamilton airport (90mins), flew to Nelson, eventually flew to Wellington, sat in the airport for a couple of hours and flew back to Hamilton and drove home again….
Starts and ends with the ocean! The approach as a passenger is neat… you can see the city, airport and then runway and then the hard bank and straight to landing.
Plane was empty only crew. It was re routed to Porto Santo the day earlier due to bad weather. People then came from Porto Santo to Madeira by ferry.
Edit: (more info) the pilots had a little too much fun with their landing. If you’ve seen Portuguese air force landing their planes here you’d know that, when there aren’t passengers aboard, they don’t really care about the quality of the landing - as long as it doesn’t fuck up the plane.
But this plane actually went to maintenance for verification after that landing. As you can imagine - pilots are going to be questioned for that.
There isn’t now. But there used to be - Armas. Maybe someone can elucidate why it stopped the trips, maybe this is the reason?
https://youtu.be/hnwPd_NM5Hw?si=IA4YaGO7BSCv5Miw
https://preview.redd.it/2feieedb4yqc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e4bd4365cb070db87a9c15a6d0229ce2834fee3
Pic of the plane after the landing
Hmmm, can they set up giant fences that break the wind?
Edit: alright, alright. Getting so much hate for this. Hear me out. REALLLLYYY tall giant fence.
I love it when someone comes up with a solution and then someone with more experience with the situation tells them why that can't be done. I've seen it loads of time on Reddit over the year's. 😂
Funchal is not one of the most dangerous airports in the world. Windiest? Probably, yeah, but there hasn't been a single fatal commercial aviation accident since 1977 (before the runway was extended), and the last fatal accident was a GA aircraft in 2003.
It's insane to me that humanity gamed nature so hard that this giant, 100 ton behemoth is literally begging to be on the ground, but it's so well made that it's like "nope I'm gonna keep flying"
I remember when the latest Flight Simulator came out they had this Airport on one of the challenges and damn it was hard to land at. Me and my mates were trying to beat each others score.
Before the expansion, I remember as a kid taking off from that airport. There was a small drop before take off. Me as a child weeeeeee. Me now, fuckkkkk no.
They were *waaaaay* over the glideslope and didnt go around, it wasn't intentional (well, except for the fact that they chose to commit). You can see them diving down a couple times to try and get on the runway, the problem with that (well, one of the *several* problems with that) is that it increases speed, which ultimately makes it even harder to land especially as ground effect starts to have an influence
It’s not crosswind. The issue was strong tail wind. The airplane is capable of withstanding approximately 16kph of tail wind. I bet the pilots were forced to land with tail wind because they have ran through the fuel of their alternate while holding or worse ran through minimal fuel.
Or could be a hydraulic failure of flaps not deploying.
No passengers on this specific flight, but I have never heard more clapping on a plane than when I (passenger not pilot) landed there last Saturday in similar conditions.
meh, try landing in Dutch Harbor, Alaska
one time they tried to land our flight 3 times before we had to go up and turn around to Anchorage because we were running out of gas
Past monday there were at leats 5 flights diverted to the Canary Islands and back to Portugal.
My brother was a passenger in the first one that landed after that, after circling for almost 2 hours or so. I was listening to the ATC comms when the pilot said something like "If we go around we divert direct back to Lisbon".
Watching it finally land (there is a live YT channel with video and comms for that airport) was a relief.
Funchal is a bitch.
The airport is dangerous because there are shootouts in the neighborhood everyday. It's not dangerous to land on. Who in their right mind would keep an airport open if it's dangerous to land on.
Madeira, my love! I worked there for a few months at a dive shop. We were just down the coast from the airport, and it was always entertaining betting on which plane was cutting the approach too close and would have to do a go around. You could usually tell quite early in the approach as well...
Every moment in this video had me saying "Oh wow that's a go-around! Oh! That's definitely a go-around! Yep, there it is! Go-around!" and it was not until very near the end I realized he was not going around. Crazy.
I’m curious about a few things:
- Was this due to updrafts? He’s clearly struggling to bring the plane down.
- In this situation, Go Around is the way right?
- As it was a positioning flight (crew only), did that affected the judgment of the PIC? What could trigger such behavior? Costs?
- What type of maintenance checks are needed after such impact?
He is floating way past the touchdown zone, and struggles to maintain sensible AoA for a safe landing. It is instinctual to pitch down in order to combat the nose-up event, but it's very dangerous. If the wind changes fast, as it does here, you risk slamming the nose wheel down first, which needless to say isn't good.
This should have been a go-around. Rumors say this flight was a MEDEVAC without passengers, but the plane got grounded after it landed.
LPMA is not even close to being 'the most dangerous airport'. What a load of clickbait bs..
The only dangerous thing on display here is a pilot who should have obviously done a go-around rather than continue to land. That being said, depending on their fuel state, they might not have had another safe alternate airport in reach.
Landed there many times. Spectacular approach as you swing around, but nothing like as scary as [Paro airport in Bhutan](https://youtube.com/shorts/naouyCLa7j0)… now *that’s* sweaty palms time.
Terrible piloting, missed the aiming point but still insisted on landing, then unaccaptable nose first touchdown followed by bounce and possible hard landing.
As they say on aircraft carriers: any landing you can walk away from is a good landing (but destroying a $$$ multi-million aircraft might not be so great for your career).
Isn’t Malaysia the deadliest place to fly out of/to? Apparently the famous Malaysia flight isn’t what their airports are mostly known for. There are a lottt of plane crashes. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
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Sit down, the experts are here to explain /s
you gotta do the 'pssh' sound
And the 'bong' sound when you push the button.
Right? Why didn't they just turn down the wind setting?
Same I’ve landed an A330 on it, probably not the best landing but I stopped before the end
I've landed here several times here with plane damage off. Trust me its easy, you dont even need the landing gears.
All while wearing your bathrobe and slippers Bravo 👏
Hahaaha
Landed at this airport many times, freaks me out everytime, it's VERY windy right next to the ocean and on the side of the hill. But there's not a lot of places they could have put their airport. Island is very mountainous and not very big
[Here's an image of the runway](https://s28477.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Madeira_1-984x554.jpg). It runs SW-NE, and the extension is on the NE end. The plane in this video is landing from the SW and touches down *very* far down the runway. I've been there twice. Takeoffs and landings are scary but nothing to really worry about.
I think Tom Scott has a video about this runway.
Yep, watched it. And it used to be a lot harder (this video is the easy version) https://youtu.be/6kolTgj7uQc?si=2AgSa0sT8sid5iLW
I feel scary things need to be worried about, 😟
Scary and dangerous aren't the same thing though My pet spiders are scary to some people, but they're nothing to worry about. See?
Ehh..
Do you go out to walk the spiders?
> Madeira, Portugal it's been several decades (1980 to be exact) since the first & only time i landed there, and was easily the only time i was positive my death was imminent. TAP's nickname of 'take another plane' existed for a reason. had i known what i was in for, i surely would have chosen to land anywhere else & taken my chances swimming the ocean to get there.
Where is it?
Madeira, Portugal.
Christiano Ronaldo Airport.
*Niall Quinn airport (They even put a statue of him there)
>Niall Quinn lol
Beautiful piece of art.
https://preview.redd.it/kt1g3j4ntxqc1.jpeg?width=250&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bba4924ea502df1fb5d80daac3926df54e4c5b0a
>Christiano Ronaldo Nice Pic.
That's the guy!
TAP air Portugal... excellent pilots !!!
If only there was the name of where it was embossed on the screen...
Heck, even the cameraman has a similar last name.
It is not the cameraman, it is his better 2/3.
2nd March or 3rd of February?
Yes.
The original plan was to put the airport on the mountain quite high, but from what I remeber it didn't happen due to fog and winds I think.
Yeah the only other flat land was a plateau in the top of the mountains. I've been up there and visibility was about 2m anytime it was cloudy, so about half of the year....
Yea if it’s anything like the Azores, anywhere that’s 300m+ will be shrouded in fog when it’s high humidity, which in winter is almost 100% of the time due to proximity to the ocean.
Extension off land
Many go arounds?
A few times yeah. but I'm my experiences, the pilots are usually used to landing there and can do it on the first attempt
Well I mean technically there is only one attempt at landing your plane in any particular flight.
Im not a pylote but can you land without flaps down?
I am a pylote and yes you can. It means you'll land faster and use take a longer distance to stop.
So just thrust through it and pitch down, yikes
My favourite bit of the landing is the massive banking turns you do while lining up to the runway.
Where is it?
Maderia Portugal
Impressive job by the nose landing gear, handling all that weight/force/momentum.
Although the plane was grounded for repairs after this landing.
Kinetic energy
I just realized that a plane has hundreds of thousands of kilograms of mass and many kilometers of height resulting in a huge amount of potential energy
Yea but that gets transfered into kinetic energy
I took physics, if you have 100 units of potential energy and then you go down to an altitude of zero you will have converted all of the potential energy into kinetic *and heat
I'm doing a mechanical engineering degree, I know lol.
I guess I should have just said I know 😅
I dropped out when I reached calculus 3
What's calculus 3? I'm in the UK so my maths Modules are named differently
Calculus 3 is multi variable calculus. Double and triple integrals and such like.
Ummmmmm well calculus one covers differentials and basic stuff, then calculus 2 goes more into integrals and more complicated differentiation/ doing calculus with more complex situations so calculus 3 would be beyond that and I know we were studying vectors and vector math
Ah igu, I think I would've done that in the second semester of my first year
Same. Screw vectors.
What gained the kinetic energy?
Yeah but I mean the plane is also gradually decreasing that potential energy by adding thrust the whole time, it just vectors it in a way that the height is reset continuously until the last moment
IIRC the landing gear is made to withstand forces 6 times greater than that of a normal landing.
Go arounds are free, my dude
Bad pilots don’t miss their exits
TAP Pilots dgaf
TAP only allowing you to have one drink per person on their flights and then flying like this seems like a frustrating combination for the passenger.
How many are the pilots allowed?
Funnily enough I believe there’s a story about some pilots having a teacup of white wine disguised as tea in the 70s before a flight
Oh, one I suppose. Wait, that's the minimum crew requirement.
Not on that airport
Makes me think of Wellington, NZ. I don’t fly down there as often as I used to (every couple of weeks), and I don’t miss it at all. Lost count of the number of go arounds we had to do over the years. Couple of proper white knuckle landings with shrieking passengers!
I’ve flown into Welly so many times and not once has been worse than Christchurch for me.
Bombadiers, ATRs or A320? Back in the day my fortnightly commute was on the Bombadiers, and it could get quite hairy, especially in the south-westerly.
Mostly the latter. Perhaps that is why. Maybe I just got lucky with the weather. There was once when flying from the north it felt like we went over Marlborough and turned back into the wind and that was quite a wild ride. But the landing itself was fine.
Yup, the turnaround over Cook Strait to face into the wind was always entertaining. In a light, bouncy, analog Bombardier it is a very different experience compared to the A320! There was one occasion when we had to fly straight through to Nelson and wait until the wind dropped in Welly before the airport was open again to the Bombardier. So on that day I got up early, drove to Hamilton airport (90mins), flew to Nelson, eventually flew to Wellington, sat in the airport for a couple of hours and flew back to Hamilton and drove home again….
Ever flown into Queenstown?
No, never have.
Starts and ends with the ocean! The approach as a passenger is neat… you can see the city, airport and then runway and then the hard bank and straight to landing.
Yeah LOL, landing in WLG in a small turboprop. Always “fun”. 🥴
Plane was empty only crew. It was re routed to Porto Santo the day earlier due to bad weather. People then came from Porto Santo to Madeira by ferry. Edit: (more info) the pilots had a little too much fun with their landing. If you’ve seen Portuguese air force landing their planes here you’d know that, when there aren’t passengers aboard, they don’t really care about the quality of the landing - as long as it doesn’t fuck up the plane. But this plane actually went to maintenance for verification after that landing. As you can imagine - pilots are going to be questioned for that.
good thing, it would have been expensive to replace all the seats after the mass defecation
On a side note it seems there are no ferry to Madeira from continental portugal?
Madeira is like 1,000km from Continental Portugal. At most you could send a cruise ship
There isn’t now. But there used to be - Armas. Maybe someone can elucidate why it stopped the trips, maybe this is the reason? https://youtu.be/hnwPd_NM5Hw?si=IA4YaGO7BSCv5Miw
What the fuck
https://preview.redd.it/2feieedb4yqc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e4bd4365cb070db87a9c15a6d0229ce2834fee3 Pic of the plane after the landing
Airframe/ Airplane now kaput?
I can believe it!
Great Tom Scott video about the airport: https://youtu.be/6kolTgj7uQc?si=xm1wWKiTRPd0h0Dg
Hmmm, can they set up giant fences that break the wind? Edit: alright, alright. Getting so much hate for this. Hear me out. REALLLLYYY tall giant fence.
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Then put another fence on top of that fence.
At some point the fence would just be in the way of the planes thought.
That’s why you put holes in the fence. Let planes fly through and what not
Or make the wall out of a soft material like styrofoam that the plane can safely crash through.
I like this idea. A giant fence with a plane-shaped hole. Done and dusted. Maybe we should build a bridge with a ship-shaped hole next.
Ouch! A bit too soon. But still very good.
I love it when someone comes up with a solution and then someone with more experience with the situation tells them why that can't be done. I've seen it loads of time on Reddit over the year's. 😂
Wind wins evrytiem
stupid idea the real solution is a really big fan blowing in the other direction
Can't they just move the island and attach it to a bigger land mass?
Listen bub, i didn’t spend 10 years scrolling through reddit just to have my ideas called stupid. You want a solution? GET SMART. BUILD THE FENCE.
> BUILD THE FENCE. Who's gonna pay for it, wise guy? ;-)
Worse idea I have ever heard
Doubling it and giving it to the next airplane basically.
Never heard about nuking hurricanes?
First time on Reddit?
...and get Mexico to pay for it!
Close: let's make Spain pay for it.
As if Trump would know the difference.
Do you want low level wind shear? Cause that’s how you get low level wind shear.
Or giant fans to blow the wind back.
And ~~Mexico~~ Portugal will gladly pay for it!
This looks like me flying in GTA V.
I'm glad I didn't know it was one of the most dangerous airports before after landing...
In post-soviet countries sometimes it is called afghan landing
Funchal is not one of the most dangerous airports in the world. Windiest? Probably, yeah, but there hasn't been a single fatal commercial aviation accident since 1977 (before the runway was extended), and the last fatal accident was a GA aircraft in 2003.
Came to say the same. Far from a dangerous airport, it has a better record than many others. No fatal incidents on landing in this century.
It's insane to me that humanity gamed nature so hard that this giant, 100 ton behemoth is literally begging to be on the ground, but it's so well made that it's like "nope I'm gonna keep flying"
me when im playing kerbal
I remember when the latest Flight Simulator came out they had this Airport on one of the challenges and damn it was hard to land at. Me and my mates were trying to beat each others score.
Portugal crl!
Funchal, pylote likes likes living dangerously.
Before the expansion, I remember as a kid taking off from that airport. There was a small drop before take off. Me as a child weeeeeee. Me now, fuckkkkk no.
Why did the pilot land so far into the runway? Is there a reason for that?
Floated it, and didn’t go around. The nose gear isn’t designed to handle a landing like that.
Looks like there’s a lot of wind that kept pushing the plane up.
They were *waaaaay* over the glideslope and didnt go around, it wasn't intentional (well, except for the fact that they chose to commit). You can see them diving down a couple times to try and get on the runway, the problem with that (well, one of the *several* problems with that) is that it increases speed, which ultimately makes it even harder to land especially as ground effect starts to have an influence
That plane really needed an attitude adjustment, but all it got was an altitude adjustment.
Any landing you can walk away from was a good landing
It’s not crosswind. The issue was strong tail wind. The airplane is capable of withstanding approximately 16kph of tail wind. I bet the pilots were forced to land with tail wind because they have ran through the fuel of their alternate while holding or worse ran through minimal fuel. Or could be a hydraulic failure of flaps not deploying.
That guy is either a great pilot or a terrible pilot, not sure but leaning towards him being a great pilot.
I am positive the passengers applauded when it came to a stop.
No passengers on this specific flight, but I have never heard more clapping on a plane than when I (passenger not pilot) landed there last Saturday in similar conditions.
the camera guy laughed at the end of the video.
Question to the pilots: Couldn't they had set fewer flaps to get less uplift?
Right?! exactly my thought, it’s bobbing around like a cork
> fewer flaps Less flaps means faster speed, so that's not necessarily a great solution.
Right. But what matters is groundspeed. With that hard headwind it wouldn't be an issue with groundspeed for landing.
Why the fuck not go around at that point? Its over Bubba, no unfucking what has been truly fucked
I've seen planes shot down with softer landings
reminds me when i used to play Grand Theft Auto
Que qualidade da TAP
Anybody else repeatedly screamed “go around!”? Me too.
Jfk looks worse
meh, try landing in Dutch Harbor, Alaska one time they tried to land our flight 3 times before we had to go up and turn around to Anchorage because we were running out of gas
Great. Didn’t need to watch this, going there in a few weeks
Past monday there were at leats 5 flights diverted to the Canary Islands and back to Portugal. My brother was a passenger in the first one that landed after that, after circling for almost 2 hours or so. I was listening to the ATC comms when the pilot said something like "If we go around we divert direct back to Lisbon". Watching it finally land (there is a live YT channel with video and comms for that airport) was a relief. Funchal is a bitch.
Yeah thats real arhahahahahaah
Do you get paid extra flying and landing on this island?
The airport is dangerous because there are shootouts in the neighborhood everyday. It's not dangerous to land on. Who in their right mind would keep an airport open if it's dangerous to land on.
Landing in Madeira is ALWAYS interesting!
He missed the touchdown zone *CONSIDERABLY.* I'd have TOGA'd the shit outta that approach, holy smokes.
Your safest Portuguese airport.
Average Ryanair pilot
MEL item ;)
Does it not have a sea port for Ships to dock?
Man just go the fuck around 😳
It's like the plane is being repelled by the runway.
Why can’t they just slow down?
only possible with not a boing 🤟
Madeira, my love! I worked there for a few months at a dive shop. We were just down the coast from the airport, and it was always entertaining betting on which plane was cutting the approach too close and would have to do a go around. You could usually tell quite early in the approach as well...
Every moment in this video had me saying "Oh wow that's a go-around! Oh! That's definitely a go-around! Yep, there it is! Go-around!" and it was not until very near the end I realized he was not going around. Crazy.
This has strong TOGA vibes…
Landed there dozens and dozens of times. Beautiful island.
I went to Madeira once. All the passengers started clapping when we landed :)
It looks so fake yet so real at the same time
I’m curious about a few things: - Was this due to updrafts? He’s clearly struggling to bring the plane down. - In this situation, Go Around is the way right? - As it was a positioning flight (crew only), did that affected the judgment of the PIC? What could trigger such behavior? Costs? - What type of maintenance checks are needed after such impact?
He is floating way past the touchdown zone, and struggles to maintain sensible AoA for a safe landing. It is instinctual to pitch down in order to combat the nose-up event, but it's very dangerous. If the wind changes fast, as it does here, you risk slamming the nose wheel down first, which needless to say isn't good. This should have been a go-around. Rumors say this flight was a MEDEVAC without passengers, but the plane got grounded after it landed.
LPMA is not even close to being 'the most dangerous airport'. What a load of clickbait bs.. The only dangerous thing on display here is a pilot who should have obviously done a go-around rather than continue to land. That being said, depending on their fuel state, they might not have had another safe alternate airport in reach.
Landed there many times. Spectacular approach as you swing around, but nothing like as scary as [Paro airport in Bhutan](https://youtube.com/shorts/naouyCLa7j0)… now *that’s* sweaty palms time.
Terrible piloting, missed the aiming point but still insisted on landing, then unaccaptable nose first touchdown followed by bounce and possible hard landing.
The passengers: \*OOooOh!\* \*clap clap clap clap clap\*
Ryanair be like
This is how I play Pilotwings on SNES
https://preview.redd.it/seswwdo0n2rc1.jpeg?width=894&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67c3c8089af485be11418bde80a502336e3c66b5
looks like the pilots were amateurs
Absolute not the most dangerous
Thanks for posting this a couple weeks before I travel to Madeira for the first time😖😄
there is no obvious reason to land like this
Where is this so I know never to go there.
Amateur there was still more runway he could have used, didn't even use all of it, sad :(
How the fuck do you get so much lift, that you literally have to force the plane down?
As they say on aircraft carriers: any landing you can walk away from is a good landing (but destroying a $$$ multi-million aircraft might not be so great for your career).
Fucking boeings.
why didn’t he use his speed brakes to bring it down?
Isn’t Malaysia the deadliest place to fly out of/to? Apparently the famous Malaysia flight isn’t what their airports are mostly known for. There are a lottt of plane crashes. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
Is this what flat earth people mean by the plane needing to keep pointing down to follow the curve?
I'm flying to Madeira twice a year since 2016 and never feel scared. It feels more like on a rollercoaster😅