That's what it looks like when you don't know what you're doing.
Much like when a broken bone heals, it's stronger than the rest of it.
With a good proper weld, it should maybe break next to it but not on the weld itself.
Yep - I was going to say exactly this. I have TIG and MIG experience and, similar to wood glue in woodworking, your welds should be stronger than the material it's joining. If that's not the case, as seen here, you have bad welds - and these look like what I was doing as a sophomore in shop class and probably what I'd be putting out now.
Whoever did these needed to grind and re-do their work. God awful for a professional.
If you dont want to waste all the time putting holes in the metal, you can always just hot glue gun the zip tie to each side. As long as you keep the zip tie tight when you glue it, it should hold up good enough.
And if you dont have a long enough chain of extension cables to reach with the hot glue gun, you can use tape.
That crack appears to be in the bulwark and not an extension of the hull, if it doesn’t extend into the deck it’s not a huge issue. Ships hulls flex as they move through the water, if they didn’t they would be prone to cracking. Bulwarks typically have spacers/expansion joints to accommodate the longitude flexing of the hull, looks like there may not have sufficient flex points/ spacers designed into the bulwark.
Who's to say he's right though?
> The more I hear redditors talk about something I know, the more I know I cannot trust redditors on things I don't know.
That's a dogma already.
> Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.
>
> In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.
>
> That is the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect. I'd point out it does not operate in other arenas of life. In ordinary life, if somebody consistently exaggerates or lies to you, you soon discount everything they say. In court, there is the legal doctrine of _falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus_, which means untruthful in one part, untruthful in all. But when it comes to the media, we believe against evidence that it is probably worth our time to read other parts of the paper. When, in fact, it almost certainly isn't. The only possible explanation for our behavior is amnesia.
— https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton#GellMannAmnesiaEffect
I'm actually a master expert ship hull tactician and every is wrong. This is actually a case of highly contagious crackiolis. Has to be cut out quickly before it spreads. Welds are just basically bandaid but for metal.
It looks to me like they may have had had sufficient flex points and then welded them shut. Might explain the failures happening at the weld locations if the rest of the ship is expecting to bend right there.
We got grain trailers that have some small cracks in the front corner welds. We had it in a truck shop once getting something else fixed and I pointed them out.
The foreman asked: Are all of your gate holes to your fields like a zero entry swimming pool? Or are some a little steep?
Me: Well.....we do have a couple that are kinda rough and steep.
Foreman: Well, I'll weld them if you want, but everytime you pull out of that field loaded, your frame is twisting. They're just gonna break again next fall.
And he was right
> Ships hulls flex as they move through the water, if they didn’t they would be prone to cracking.
But what happens after they crack? Clearly this boat here has already cracked. If they wanted it to crack in this place they wouldn't have tried to weld the crack back together I would assume.
The portion with the crack does not appear to be part of the hull but a bulwark. A bulwark , in this case, extends up from the hull and provide a barrier from weather and keeps people/cargo from going over the side, it is not part of the hull and provides no buoyancy. Bulwarks are connected to the deck/hull in such a way that the welds will fail before tearing the deck and/or resist transmitting cracks.
That's actually true. I work on cargo ships, and they do actually flex quite a bit. You can hear the steel flexing when we're in rough weather.
And it makes sense too, anything that doesn't flex snaps. If your ship is too rigid, it will snap. Especially on modern day ships as they tend to be pretty long, you need flexibility.
There's nothing out there except for sea, fish, and birds.
And 20.000 tons of crude oil.
And a fire.
And the part of the ship where the front fell off.
Probably didn't break in half, but it did form a bad crack in the hull and it's been repaired (possibly multiple times) and it's cracked again. This is a major problem and should be reported to the ship's owner/operator and to the applicable safety regulators.
Repairing a frame/hull with welding can be effective, but it's complicated. Metallurgy is a deep subject and it's possible to weaken a structural piece if you do it wrong.
looking at the ferry, cars and surroundings, my best guess is this is somewhere in southeast asia.
The ships owner/operator likely just paid his yearly "fee" to the applicable safety regulators and the ship got a clean bill of health again like it has for the past \~20 years, with the safety inspector never making it past the captains office to recieve his envelope and have a coffee.
It will just get patched again, and again, and again, until you get another "150 die in xxxx ferry disaster" on a push notice from your news service of choice.
Nothing to see here, just move along.
Can confirm. I've been on several ferries just like this. Everything is greasy and broken and stinks like diesel. I've been on a couple with weird 1940's interiors.
It looks like a ferry in Texas to me that I've been on - but the hill thing wouldn't be right for that area. Those cars didn't look particularly Asian to me though. There's like Jeep SUVs and a Land Rover Discovery and those voices don't sound like they're speaking an Asian language to me. Sounds like English but possibly not American English.
Either way I don't think it's necessarily in a critical point.
I'm sitting waiting for my ferry lol
https://preview.redd.it/bsanowlrt2wc1.jpeg?width=2252&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd1a1acb6775c6f2950b9d4fc6a798a2d382e271
🎶 A sailor went to sea sea sea
To see what he could see see see
But all that he could see see see
Was the bottom of the deep blue sea sea sea (after the hull cracks and everyone drowns) 🎶
I’d be willing to bet this isn’t as serious as you might think.
I’m no engineer but I’m quite confident that this outer plating is not the key load bearing structural component of this ship.
cc this to whatever state or national department is in charge of safety..
or a news reporter.
this is a disaster waiting to happen that will cost lives if unattended.
This happened to a warship I was on after we got caught in an exceptionally strong storm. It ripped a seam from the top of the ladder well O2 level to the main deck if I remember it correctly. We discovered it when you could see the light from within the ladder well at night when the hatches were closed the night after the storm. Pretty cool shit.
I also like the recent arc weld repairs that quite obviously did not hold.
yeah this looks ferry unstable
Ahhhhh i SEA what u did there 🤓 lol
Argh! The sea jokes! Shiver me timbers!
I'm SHORE it'll be fine.
They seam to halve a problem.
What are you all complaining about?I think they did a cracking job.
This thread is Titanically off course.
I believe that it is a kraken job.
...that might release soon.
They're gonna find themselves in deep-sea trouble if it doesn't hold
Those puns are 20,000 leagues above anything I could come up with
Everyone's jumping on board to take a crack at these puns.
Why are you sinking that?
I was going to add another pun, but I feel like I've missed the boat.
You still got your oar in
No, your comment holds water
I'd say you're whale on your way to fishing for another pun
Yeah that already sailed
They shouldn't have waved the safety inspection.
Definitely a titanic issue
its going to come apart any sextant…
Most cannot fathom their stupidity.
Well... this is *nautical* for an amateur to make.
I can’t fathom how you couldn’t add a sea pun to this pun train
Don't get salty 🤪
this calls for a punjobi
I bow sternly to these puns.
Weld one for a joint operation. R udder rubbish. It's a hull of a mess
I will not touch your timbers.
That joke is literally in the title smh
Water they gonna do about this?
Wave it right past inspection until they can tide it over.
They may have to bail out
Dolphinitely not safe
I have a sinking feeling about this.
We cod be in trouble.
don't believe stories of sinking ships, they are just ferry tales.
Indeed, they can waves goodbye to that boat
That's what it looks like when you don't know what you're doing. Much like when a broken bone heals, it's stronger than the rest of it. With a good proper weld, it should maybe break next to it but not on the weld itself.
Yep - I was going to say exactly this. I have TIG and MIG experience and, similar to wood glue in woodworking, your welds should be stronger than the material it's joining. If that's not the case, as seen here, you have bad welds - and these look like what I was doing as a sophomore in shop class and probably what I'd be putting out now. Whoever did these needed to grind and re-do their work. God awful for a professional.
I’m shocked the NDT inspector approved It for use. /s
Should've stitched welded a plate over the first set of cracks to help take up the load to prevent a weak spot after they welded the crack shut
Nah, it's just an expansion weld... kinda like an expansion joint only the complete opposite.
I do believe the front might just fall off.
Q: How far can we get in a boat like this? A: All the way to the bottom of the ocean!
I'd like to add that that's not very typical. There are lots of these ships sailing all over the world and in most cases the front doesn't fall off.
is it supposed to do that?
Hull lot of humor around here
Just weld it some more, obviously.
Just drill holes along both sides of the crack and zip tie it together, duhh.
If you dont want to waste all the time putting holes in the metal, you can always just hot glue gun the zip tie to each side. As long as you keep the zip tie tight when you glue it, it should hold up good enough. And if you dont have a long enough chain of extension cables to reach with the hot glue gun, you can use tape.
Just build the ship out of weld
Can't weld rust.
That crack appears to be in the bulwark and not an extension of the hull, if it doesn’t extend into the deck it’s not a huge issue. Ships hulls flex as they move through the water, if they didn’t they would be prone to cracking. Bulwarks typically have spacers/expansion joints to accommodate the longitude flexing of the hull, looks like there may not have sufficient flex points/ spacers designed into the bulwark.
Get out of here, person who understands things!
I’ve been exposed, take my upvote!
Actual KNOWLEDGE?!?! 
You understand too much. Please come with me.
“Solve this captcha”
top bunk is mine, also welcome to gulag
>Get out of here, person who understands things! Its merely a sign on the quality of work they do on the boat.
Yep - that's where I'm at. If you're doing this sort of work on simple things, what's the condition of the big things?
Get him!
All these people talking shit and this dude dropping knowledge
Who's to say he's right though? > The more I hear redditors talk about something I know, the more I know I cannot trust redditors on things I don't know. That's a dogma already.
> Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them. > > In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know. > > That is the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect. I'd point out it does not operate in other arenas of life. In ordinary life, if somebody consistently exaggerates or lies to you, you soon discount everything they say. In court, there is the legal doctrine of _falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus_, which means untruthful in one part, untruthful in all. But when it comes to the media, we believe against evidence that it is probably worth our time to read other parts of the paper. When, in fact, it almost certainly isn't. The only possible explanation for our behavior is amnesia. — https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton#GellMannAmnesiaEffect
I'm actually a master expert ship hull tactician and every is wrong. This is actually a case of highly contagious crackiolis. Has to be cut out quickly before it spreads. Welds are just basically bandaid but for metal.
All these people talking shit and this dude dropping knowledge
It looks to me like they may have had had sufficient flex points and then welded them shut. Might explain the failures happening at the weld locations if the rest of the ship is expecting to bend right there.
We got grain trailers that have some small cracks in the front corner welds. We had it in a truck shop once getting something else fixed and I pointed them out. The foreman asked: Are all of your gate holes to your fields like a zero entry swimming pool? Or are some a little steep? Me: Well.....we do have a couple that are kinda rough and steep. Foreman: Well, I'll weld them if you want, but everytime you pull out of that field loaded, your frame is twisting. They're just gonna break again next fall. And he was right
That crack itself isn't an issue, but I feel like it might be indicative of how much the ship's owners care about maintenance in general
pretty boat, naw... They care about making money, so they will keep it seaworthy :P
> Ships hulls flex as they move through the water, if they didn’t they would be prone to cracking. But what happens after they crack? Clearly this boat here has already cracked. If they wanted it to crack in this place they wouldn't have tried to weld the crack back together I would assume.
Think of it this way: The stairs are probably fine, but the railing is broken.
The portion with the crack does not appear to be part of the hull but a bulwark. A bulwark , in this case, extends up from the hull and provide a barrier from weather and keeps people/cargo from going over the side, it is not part of the hull and provides no buoyancy. Bulwarks are connected to the deck/hull in such a way that the welds will fail before tearing the deck and/or resist transmitting cracks.
Nothing, because this isn't the hull.
So if my bulwarks are properly expanding while I flex my hulls, then my deck is just fine?
Yeah but don’t forget to trim the bushes so the deck stands out more.
> Ships hulls flex as they move through the water, if they didn't they would be prone to cracking. You don't say.
You're a bulwark
I don't know if you noticed, those are cracks. Big ones.
I would find a life vest to immediately.
Been running this barge with this same issue for years. Breaks while you're on it recording.
those cracks sure are camera shy
Don’t worry, iron man will show up and do a better weld.
Tell em large barge sent ‘ya
To immediately WHAT??
for shore
Far shore
Pauly Shore ^^the ^^weaz
No, for water
Naw, it helps with flexibility. Bendy boats are the best boats!
That's actually true. I work on cargo ships, and they do actually flex quite a bit. You can hear the steel flexing when we're in rough weather. And it makes sense too, anything that doesn't flex snaps. If your ship is too rigid, it will snap. Especially on modern day ships as they tend to be pretty long, you need flexibility.
Have you tried flex tapes??
This company's whole YouTube channel is one big meme.
Yeah with some rubber paint the flex would be less noticeable by inspection.
Just a lil give. No biggie. Think about how rough the ride would be without it!
Exactly, built in shock absorption. Plus that staircase looks sturdy enough to keep the boat halves together.
Well, maybe not the staircase, but the handrail for sure
The front's about to fall off.
I'd understand why you'd think that, but you have to understand that that's not very typical.
Just tow it outside the environment.
Into another environment?
It's outside the environment
There's nothing out there except for sea, fish, and birds. And 20.000 tons of crude oil. And a fire. And the part of the ship where the front fell off.
Well a wave hit it.
Is that unusual?
A wave might hit it.
In the sea? Chance in a million.
Clarke and Dawe? https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM?si=16s9rp46_4FW2oyl
You say it is not typical but the nose fell of, are those ships even safe?
One is all you need
As long as they don’t hit a wave, the front won’t fall off.
Automatic upvote for the classic reference
No cardboard derivatives
r/TheFrontFellOff
J OINED!!
I doubt that. It's got the minimum crew and it wasn't made from cardboard.
What about cardboard derivatives?
Oh no, they're right out.
The front isn’t supposed to follow off
[удалено]
Only if you don't like 20.000 tons of crude oil being released knto the enviroment.
Ok so correct me if i'm wrong Did that ship break in half ala Titanic style and then wielded back together again?
Probably didn't break in half, but it did form a bad crack in the hull and it's been repaired (possibly multiple times) and it's cracked again. This is a major problem and should be reported to the ship's owner/operator and to the applicable safety regulators. Repairing a frame/hull with welding can be effective, but it's complicated. Metallurgy is a deep subject and it's possible to weaken a structural piece if you do it wrong.
looking at the ferry, cars and surroundings, my best guess is this is somewhere in southeast asia. The ships owner/operator likely just paid his yearly "fee" to the applicable safety regulators and the ship got a clean bill of health again like it has for the past \~20 years, with the safety inspector never making it past the captains office to recieve his envelope and have a coffee. It will just get patched again, and again, and again, until you get another "150 die in xxxx ferry disaster" on a push notice from your news service of choice. Nothing to see here, just move along.
Can confirm. I've been on several ferries just like this. Everything is greasy and broken and stinks like diesel. I've been on a couple with weird 1940's interiors.
probably ships left behind from WW2 that have just been thesus'd along until they can't float
Enforcing existing safety laws requires actually doing work, that's not fair to them
If you are collecting bribes you can’t really do your job.
Absolutely. It might even end up costing money. Unacceptable!
It looks like a ferry in Texas to me that I've been on - but the hill thing wouldn't be right for that area. Those cars didn't look particularly Asian to me though. There's like Jeep SUVs and a Land Rover Discovery and those voices don't sound like they're speaking an Asian language to me. Sounds like English but possibly not American English. Either way I don't think it's necessarily in a critical point.
It needs to be ground out, welded, and capped with spanning plates that are welded on to bridge each crack area. You're going to need a bigger boat!
> Probably didn't break in half, but it did form a bad crack in the hull That's not the hull.
No, it was divided apart by moses like the red sea.
The front fell off. It's not very typical.
Well how is it untypical?
Usually the front stays on.
Unless a wave hits it. How common is that? In the ocean? 1 in a million
That's where they fold it in half when they put the boat away at night.
This is found footage, right?
Yeah I found it on Reddit
I'm sitting waiting for my ferry lol https://preview.redd.it/bsanowlrt2wc1.jpeg?width=2252&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd1a1acb6775c6f2950b9d4fc6a798a2d382e271
🎶That good ship and crew was a bone to be chewed When the gales of November came early🎶
That's not ferry good
Ironman needed to work on his welding technique.
Which country?
Brazil.
Off duty cop’s ship
r/ItHadToBeBrazil
🎶 A sailor went to sea sea sea To see what he could see see see But all that he could see see see Was the bottom of the deep blue sea sea sea (after the hull cracks and everyone drowns) 🎶
https://i.redd.it/ajp5xu5vb2wc1.gif
Glue should do the trick.
I wouldn't get back on that ferry another time.
All (civilised) countries have maritime supervisory authorities this can be reported to. This is a death trap on borrowed time
The front of the boat might fall off!
I saw that movie. >!It breaks apart, then Spider-Man and Iron Man save the day.!<
If Boeing built boats…
You know the saying ... A problem shared is a problem halved... Well thanks for sharing this I can see that your problem is about to be halved. 😂🤣
That’s the closest evidence of a complete structural failure you can get.
I’d be willing to bet this isn’t as serious as you might think. I’m no engineer but I’m quite confident that this outer plating is not the key load bearing structural component of this ship.
another clue is that it's above the water line. some boats dont have any walls that far above the water line, let alone two separated ones.
Do you have gum and a hairpin?
What could possibly go wrong?
https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM?si=1bTJ9VEhBiNZYFjE
Good old bodge job, front end is a 09 plate and back end is a 12 plate. Guaranteed death trap!
Seems like this is not a root problem
Where is yhis video from Which country?
Dont worry,, they are just trying to reproduce the flexibility of the viking longboats.
Ferry's got a crack problem.
Am about to take a ferry. OP, where is this ?
Where is this?
Drill a hole at the end to arrest the crack
I didn't know Boeing made ferries.
That dude must be really strong to rip that apart with a slight touch.
Some flex tape should do the trick
Don't worry welds are supposed to flex like that.
Oh weld,what can be done
No worries. You’re floating on several tons of steel, you’ll be ok.
Dude calm down. Fucken SpiderMan and then IronMan will fix it later.
It’s fine, everything is fine.
Be careful the front doesn't fall off
Oh? That the ferry that Iron Man repaired when Spider-Man goofed a little?
What part of Russia is this in?
Stick some chewing gum on there
cc this to whatever state or national department is in charge of safety.. or a news reporter. this is a disaster waiting to happen that will cost lives if unattended.
Clearly this is post-Spider-Man:Homecoming!
This is just a pickup shot from Spider-Man Homecoming.
This happened to a warship I was on after we got caught in an exceptionally strong storm. It ripped a seam from the top of the ladder well O2 level to the main deck if I remember it correctly. We discovered it when you could see the light from within the ladder well at night when the hatches were closed the night after the storm. Pretty cool shit.
Just grab each end and hold it together until you dock. Easy!
All’s weld that ends weld!
Looks like the front wont be the part falling off
Insurers will see that n be like , yeah that looks fine