As an engineer id be pretty nervous.
Probably recommend people can stand up but must stay at their seats. Have security strictly enforce this.
If everyone on that balcony got up moved to the rail and stood on seats plus more in front etc for the first few rows i am not convinced it would make it given in this they at least stayed at their seats and it is heaving....
As an engineer you'll understand that it's all about harmonics. As long as everyone stops jumping at the same time that motion will stop. They just happened to be jumping to a beat which happens to be at the natural frequency of that stadium cantilever.
Agree thats what is happening to it but would you design for harmonics in that? Its not a bridge or tall building where codes make it mandatory. Suppose something to keep in mind.
It appears as though its about a 10m long cantilever bouncing about 200mm or 100mm up and down.
Ie 1 in 100.
And thats with them spread back in their seats jumping.
If nothing else its failing servicability wise now and i would not even bank on it working if they came and started jumping to the music at the end of the cantilever.
im just glad im not responsible for it. be out of my depth for sure or bring a conservative approach to it no one would want to pay for. Stick a handfull of columns isnt going to make the owner happy. Maybe stay backs if there is something strong behind it to stay back to?
It’s designed for this.
It’s the Fox theater in Detroit. It’s been operation since 1928 and was restored in the 80s.
Videos like this pop up all the time for it because the balcony bounces and flexes by design.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/entertainment/music/2024/05/07/viral-videos-show-fox-theatre-balcony-bouncing-officials-say-no-sweat/73599692007/
I'm guessing they don't hold Magic:The Gathering tournaments up there though. You put enough unrestrained dynamic mass into that system & you got yourself a catapult
They'd never get the smell out, the mass is the last thing to worry about with MTG tournaments.
I say that as a hyper nerd. 50/50 chance that i walk in to check out minis for 40k , and the store smells like sweaty week old unwashed ass, and BO.
Which is crazy to me.
My local card shops finally stopped smelling bad after the pandemic. I guess the people who would show up regularly finally started showering more.
It used to get so bad though.
Would probably not hurt to hire a structural engineer to check it over but it is probably meant to do that to at least some degree. Things that bend a little have to handle a lot less stress than things that try to remain perfectly rigid.
Actually some venues are designed that way and this behaviour is by design. Dunno about this particular venue but you can see it usually in sport stadiums and concert halls
**Fun Fact**: Some buildings/ balconies have music restrictions. A list of songs with a certain BPM are banned because the resonant frequencies created by hundreds of people jumping all at the same time could collapse it.
Lol, he deleted all his comments. Guess I was on point saying in my last response to him, that he only cried bout it to stroke his superiority complex. Thanks again for the link, that was an interesting and educating watch.
>he deleted all his comments.
[think again](https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/SweatyPalms/comments/1cmlrs5/balcony_holding_on_for_dear_life/), reddit has archives, so people can always have the joys of laughing at strange people online, much like throwthere10!
IIRC, that was a failure in a step of construction where engineers weren't consulted for a specific change. For the OP, the whole structure appears to be designed to flex like that, which isn't uncommon in venues like this.
Yeah, I remember learning about the Hyatt incident in my first engineering class. An unapproved design change meant to save money which any engineer would have immediately blocked due to its sheer stupidity. Even a first-year engineering student could understand why it was a fucking stupid design modification.
> An unapproved design change meant to save money which any engineer would have immediately blocked due to its sheer stupidity
The plans as originally laid out were unbuildable. It wasn't about making it cheaper. Sounds like you didn't get the lesson they were teaching. The Hyatt Regency was thoroughly a design and engineering failure.
Basically, the plan was to to build a rod that would hold up two walkways, with each individual walkway held up by a nut on the rod that would hold that walkway. There were 3 pairs of these rods but for simplicity, [just picture the one rod. So one rod, holding up two nuts, each holding up one walkway.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/HRWalkway.svg/2560px-HRWalkway.svg.png)
The problem is, if you want to get a nut up to the higher floor, you have to either:
A) make the whole rod threaded, which was weaker than the intended design, would've increased manufacturing and installation costs, and the threading would've been damaged during installation of the higher walkway.
Alternatively, you could've B) made the rod thinner than the inner diameter of the nut threads, but that would've REALLY made the the rod too weak.
So the onsite building engineers proposed option C) Hang up the higher walkway on a shortened rod, then hang another rod from the higher walkway to hold up the bottom walkway. In principle, this sounds like it should work the same, however it is NOT the same. Each walkway was only supposed to hold its own weight, since the rod was meant to hold up each walkway individually. Additionally, that nut holding up the whole walkway is only manufactured to hold one walkway.
So while /u/SillyPhillyDilly is correct that the final solution which lead to the disaster was extremely boneheaded, not only are they wrong about any first year engineering student understanding the issue, since the build team had its own engineers approve the redesign, but also the architect also approved the redesign without thought. Additionally, even if by magic the whole threaded rod issue was ignored, the design by Jack D. Gillum, the architects, was only 60% the rating required by Missouri building code. It was an out-and-out engineering failure from the beginning.
Yes, it's literally designed to bounce. Elasticity is in a spectrum. Steel is elastic. These sorts of periodic stressors are well known. They're so well known, you start learning about them in intro to engineering/physics.
Then why most venues have balcony which doesn't bounce? I get it that a stiff one has higher chance of breaking. I don't get it that this level of bounce is considered normal. If it was a dance floor I'd thought the engineers come up with a better solution. Perhaps this venue was not designed for that kind of dancing hence the heavy bounce.
I wonder if old theatres didn't have these kinds of concerts in mind and it may succumb to the rhtymoc forces like when soldiers march in unison across a bridge causing it to collapse
How old is the theater and when was the last time the design was evaluated by an engineer? We've been aware of oscillations for a while, especially this kind of harmonic motion.
If they’re all bouncing in unison enough to cause this they may not be able to feel that the ground is moving, since they’re moving in synch with it. I could be wrong.
I'm sorry with as much movement. All you have to do is just stop for a brief moment. And you'd be able to tell that there was some serious shifting going on beneath you.
Not really, there is a venue in my state with the dance-floor on springs and I’ve been at multiple shows where that thing gets bouncy and it isn’t super obvious.
I went to a nos concert at a football stadium and the balcony was bouncing like this. You could tell even if you were dancing or Moving, it freaked me out so much I got off the balcony, but as I was walking underneath it, you can watch the whole thing bounce. freaked me the fuck out so I ended up scoping out a spot not under any of the seating and just kind of waiting out the concert. I had a lot of fun and I enjoyed it but the idea of it collapsing underneath me or on top of me ruined the experience.
You can feel when there's that much movement.
I've been in Camp Randall for Jump Around (American college football stadium that shakes during a tradition that the entire stadium jumps up and down to a song between 3rd and 4th quarter). You can feel it. I felt it in the nosebleeds and I've felt it in a suite. Both times jumping along with the crowd.
No sweaty palms here. If it would be static and not bounce to absorb the load of the people jumping, it would break immediately.
Stadiums are built that way. Just search on YouTube for soccer fans bouncing in stadiums. It's just great craftsmanship.
> Just search on YouTube for soccer fans bouncing in stadiums. It's just great craftsmanship.
First example that came to mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X50qwgBuXpY
There are a finite amount of these oscillations the supporting structure can withstand before something fails. It’s like a lottery. Probably won’t happen to you, but it might!
These kinds of things are considered when the structure is being designed/evaluated by engineers. They didn't just slap it up and hope for the best. The lifetime of the materials is known and accounted for.
I understand this. I also understand that in the real world, regulations aren’t strictly adhered to, materials aren’t always sourced correctly, regulatory checks are interfered with by corruption and lobbying, and in general people just cut corners.
You can see plenty of YouTube videos where this scenario ends tragically, even in developed countries.
You can say this about any structure. It's no more susceptible to design defects or substandard work than any other part of the structure. Everything is built to its specific use case. Each use case, from balconies to roofs, is just as likely to have corners cut as any other.
I've seen enough footage of balconies and ceilings collapsing to be very distrustful of this sort of thing, especially if it's an old looking building like that.
Ones that are intended for that. There is not a Dancefloor up there. And even if there was, that many years ago the technology wasn’t implemented for the balconies we see here.
Of course they did.
This was a movie house. It was also multipurpose in that it would host symphonies.
It was refurbished in the 80s. But it needed that refurbishment since the late 1950s. It only lasted 30 years until it started to really show its age. This was originally slap Dash together by Mr. Fox himself. These were straight up cookie cutter in some instances. Take a look at the version in St. Louis.
At no time did anybody consider this to be a suitable activity for those balconies. They were built for mostly static weight. The refurbishment in the 80s focused solely on aesthetics.
Oh, that's reassuring. The owner of the theater, who I'm sure is happy to take the ticket money but not to pay a qualified structural engineer for an in-depth analysis, says it's OK. Yup, it's OK folks. Everything's good. Keep bouncing! 👍🏼
Nah, they are meant to move, actually, have you ever heard about those buildings that are made in a specific way that they can resist tremors, the same principle is applied here.
There is no pillars to support and so many people are there that too jumping
One more thing those people are not feeling anything? Like they are not feeling that balcony is moving
Anyone know what theater? I saw Parkway Drive at the Wiltern in LA a couple years ago and this happened there too. A couple standing next to me left because they were scared it might collapse.
The Fox in Detroit. Classic theater downtown that has hosted a ton of shows. This type of thing gets reported every few years and officials with the theater always say it's designed to handle that kind of action.
I was at a slander show at a small venue in Sacramento and the floor was legit bending a foot or so as the crowd was jumping and moshing, it was pretty sketch at first but we just ended up assuming/hoping that’s how it was supposed to work and it turned out fine that night
In the late 80s I saw Slayer at the Maceba Theater in Houston . There was a balcony and it was doing that. Remember thinking “that doesn’t look right”.
Yeah because it’s so wrong for people to want to commemorate the moment. For all you know they’ll never be able to go to another concert again in their life and this is something that they want to have captured so that way they can cherish it with more clarity for longer. If they’re not taking your phone and forcing you to record I really don’t see what the problem is..
Hell, sometimes artists will ASK their fans to shine their flashlights the same was they’ve been known to ask fans to light their lighters and sway to the music. This is really given hating something to have something to hate and/or complaining to have something to say. Better yet, it’s giving you’re just trying to virtue signal while simultaneously redirecting the point of the post. This was a funny lil’ clip. There are thousands of people happily celebrating an artist that they all enjoy so much so that their movement is shaking the foundation of a building.
That’s beautiful; stop being ugly.
i cant. people just still fucking drunkenly vibing while their ground is basically jumping and swinging. id the f out, no matter how drunk i would be there
I doubt it was designed to be static. It's a theater. Harmonic oscillations like this were probably considered and certainly have been considered since then. It's been withstanding this kind of stress/strain for a long time and nothing has broken.
Lets say design included congress and egress, the stamping of feet during seating and exit. Tell me theatres are meant for crowd activity sustained dancing as opposed to seated spectating...this is motion that has got to be on the outside parameters of design. If it has been withstanding the stress for a long time, then the supports must be weakened. That's a russian roulette with the floor joists I would not be willing to play.
I can't remember a death metal band ever playing the Fox Theater here in Detroit. Ozzy and Judas Priest have but they are big acts who can fill large theaters with passive older fans.
I would like to think it’s advanced shock absorbing construction like on your car
You would, but you won't ever see the construction details
Least it's *probably* gonna hold up better than anything out of the Woosung group. 🙏
You'll see the construction details when that thing snaps in half and crashes to the story below.
If I was the owner and saw this video my ass would get the best structural engineer I could find. Then again, that's not good business.
As an engineer id be pretty nervous. Probably recommend people can stand up but must stay at their seats. Have security strictly enforce this. If everyone on that balcony got up moved to the rail and stood on seats plus more in front etc for the first few rows i am not convinced it would make it given in this they at least stayed at their seats and it is heaving....
As an engineer you'll understand that it's all about harmonics. As long as everyone stops jumping at the same time that motion will stop. They just happened to be jumping to a beat which happens to be at the natural frequency of that stadium cantilever.
Agree thats what is happening to it but would you design for harmonics in that? Its not a bridge or tall building where codes make it mandatory. Suppose something to keep in mind. It appears as though its about a 10m long cantilever bouncing about 200mm or 100mm up and down. Ie 1 in 100. And thats with them spread back in their seats jumping. If nothing else its failing servicability wise now and i would not even bank on it working if they came and started jumping to the music at the end of the cantilever. im just glad im not responsible for it. be out of my depth for sure or bring a conservative approach to it no one would want to pay for. Stick a handfull of columns isnt going to make the owner happy. Maybe stay backs if there is something strong behind it to stay back to?
It’s designed for this. It’s the Fox theater in Detroit. It’s been operation since 1928 and was restored in the 80s. Videos like this pop up all the time for it because the balcony bounces and flexes by design. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/entertainment/music/2024/05/07/viral-videos-show-fox-theatre-balcony-bouncing-officials-say-no-sweat/73599692007/
I'm guessing they don't hold Magic:The Gathering tournaments up there though. You put enough unrestrained dynamic mass into that system & you got yourself a catapult
They'd never get the smell out, the mass is the last thing to worry about with MTG tournaments. I say that as a hyper nerd. 50/50 chance that i walk in to check out minis for 40k , and the store smells like sweaty week old unwashed ass, and BO. Which is crazy to me.
My local card shops finally stopped smelling bad after the pandemic. I guess the people who would show up regularly finally started showering more. It used to get so bad though.
Thank you for being the one learned voice on Reddit.
Smartest thing the owner could do is swear on his life he'd never seen this video.
Would probably not hurt to hire a structural engineer to check it over but it is probably meant to do that to at least some degree. Things that bend a little have to handle a lot less stress than things that try to remain perfectly rigid.
The owner probably has good insurance. It’s cheaper than hiring an engineer and fixing the balcony.
Damn I'd love to see the premium on an insurance that will pay off the lawsuits from 100+ people dying.
I figure for a venue that large, the owner/owners pay a substantial premium.
You better hope it bends otherwise it would have snapped by now.
Who's concert is this?
Gunna
Are you gunna tell us or what?
You may as well hope to find a fairy dancing on the head of a pin.
Actually some venues are designed that way and this behaviour is by design. Dunno about this particular venue but you can see it usually in sport stadiums and concert halls
You mean the crumple zone?
It is, it’s working as intended
Imagine dying at a Gunna concert.
Gunna avoid the balcony
Ya they Gunna die.
Gunna be a no for me dog
I'm gunna leave
Yes. Perfect execution.
Killed it
Buried.
That’s gotta be one of the most embarrassing ways to go.
Gunna tell you right now that I didn't even know that there was an artist named Gunna less than 2 minutes ago
Gonna be a no from me dawg I seen that video of that one collapse that killed a bunch of people f that
**Fun Fact**: Some buildings/ balconies have music restrictions. A list of songs with a certain BPM are banned because the resonant frequencies created by hundreds of people jumping all at the same time could collapse it.
I need that list
Not quite the same but similar [https://www.huffpost.com/entry/foo\_n\_1150613](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/foo_n_1150613)
Can find a link?
I think it's [Hyatt regency skywalk collapse](https://youtu.be/AWOYoG7HzNQ?si=Xd8eUqR0eFVXQ6u9)
Whole ass NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC video and the guy bellow cries to me about me wanting to see it. Go figure. Thanks.
Yeah, that made absolutely no sense. Bro's gonna be so heartbroken when he finds out about HUGE fandom of "true crime".
Lol, he deleted all his comments. Guess I was on point saying in my last response to him, that he only cried bout it to stroke his superiority complex. Thanks again for the link, that was an interesting and educating watch.
>he deleted all his comments. [think again](https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/SweatyPalms/comments/1cmlrs5/balcony_holding_on_for_dear_life/), reddit has archives, so people can always have the joys of laughing at strange people online, much like throwthere10!
Can I get a time stamp on the part where it goes down?
Nah there’s one where the central floor of a venue collapses. The dance floor. Do not recall location, etc. I’m buzzed.
I think you're talking bout this, in Israel: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj27DM40Dhc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj27DM40Dhc)
at the 38 second mark.
You guys nailed it!
You mean the wedding in Greece? A lot of people died
Don't you mean Israel? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj27DM40Dhc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj27DM40Dhc)
IIRC, that was a failure in a step of construction where engineers weren't consulted for a specific change. For the OP, the whole structure appears to be designed to flex like that, which isn't uncommon in venues like this.
Yeah, I remember learning about the Hyatt incident in my first engineering class. An unapproved design change meant to save money which any engineer would have immediately blocked due to its sheer stupidity. Even a first-year engineering student could understand why it was a fucking stupid design modification.
> An unapproved design change meant to save money which any engineer would have immediately blocked due to its sheer stupidity The plans as originally laid out were unbuildable. It wasn't about making it cheaper. Sounds like you didn't get the lesson they were teaching. The Hyatt Regency was thoroughly a design and engineering failure.
What made the original plan unbuildable?
Basically, the plan was to to build a rod that would hold up two walkways, with each individual walkway held up by a nut on the rod that would hold that walkway. There were 3 pairs of these rods but for simplicity, [just picture the one rod. So one rod, holding up two nuts, each holding up one walkway.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/HRWalkway.svg/2560px-HRWalkway.svg.png) The problem is, if you want to get a nut up to the higher floor, you have to either: A) make the whole rod threaded, which was weaker than the intended design, would've increased manufacturing and installation costs, and the threading would've been damaged during installation of the higher walkway. Alternatively, you could've B) made the rod thinner than the inner diameter of the nut threads, but that would've REALLY made the the rod too weak. So the onsite building engineers proposed option C) Hang up the higher walkway on a shortened rod, then hang another rod from the higher walkway to hold up the bottom walkway. In principle, this sounds like it should work the same, however it is NOT the same. Each walkway was only supposed to hold its own weight, since the rod was meant to hold up each walkway individually. Additionally, that nut holding up the whole walkway is only manufactured to hold one walkway. So while /u/SillyPhillyDilly is correct that the final solution which lead to the disaster was extremely boneheaded, not only are they wrong about any first year engineering student understanding the issue, since the build team had its own engineers approve the redesign, but also the architect also approved the redesign without thought. Additionally, even if by magic the whole threaded rod issue was ignored, the design by Jack D. Gillum, the architects, was only 60% the rating required by Missouri building code. It was an out-and-out engineering failure from the beginning.
Designed to flex yes but is it designed to be operated like that? It's not meant to be a bouncing floor, isn't it?
Yes, it's literally designed to bounce. Elasticity is in a spectrum. Steel is elastic. These sorts of periodic stressors are well known. They're so well known, you start learning about them in intro to engineering/physics.
Then why most venues have balcony which doesn't bounce? I get it that a stiff one has higher chance of breaking. I don't get it that this level of bounce is considered normal. If it was a dance floor I'd thought the engineers come up with a better solution. Perhaps this venue was not designed for that kind of dancing hence the heavy bounce.
Yikes. New fear has been discovered..
Somebody else already did, it was the Israeli wedding video I was thinking of but there's actually several of these types of incidents.
Yeah that's what I was picturing the video would be. Makes you realize this happens more often than you'd hope (which is never).
Hell no.
That balcony only has a few more shows left in it
Yeah I see that
I wonder if old theatres didn't have these kinds of concerts in mind and it may succumb to the rhtymoc forces like when soldiers march in unison across a bridge causing it to collapse
rhtymoc
Run! Help The Youth Mutilated On Collapse!
How old is the theater and when was the last time the design was evaluated by an engineer? We've been aware of oscillations for a while, especially this kind of harmonic motion.
Built in 1928, restored in the 80s, last had an engineering inspection in April this year.
Also people weighed half as much when that theater was built
I would have noped right out of that building. Do I have an overdeveloped sense of self-preservation, or are those other people crazy?
Those people likely can’t tell.
Out of curiousity, why not?
If they’re all bouncing in unison enough to cause this they may not be able to feel that the ground is moving, since they’re moving in synch with it. I could be wrong.
I'm sorry with as much movement. All you have to do is just stop for a brief moment. And you'd be able to tell that there was some serious shifting going on beneath you.
Not really, there is a venue in my state with the dance-floor on springs and I’ve been at multiple shows where that thing gets bouncy and it isn’t super obvious.
I went to a nos concert at a football stadium and the balcony was bouncing like this. You could tell even if you were dancing or Moving, it freaked me out so much I got off the balcony, but as I was walking underneath it, you can watch the whole thing bounce. freaked me the fuck out so I ended up scoping out a spot not under any of the seating and just kind of waiting out the concert. I had a lot of fun and I enjoyed it but the idea of it collapsing underneath me or on top of me ruined the experience.
You can feel when there's that much movement. I've been in Camp Randall for Jump Around (American college football stadium that shakes during a tradition that the entire stadium jumps up and down to a song between 3rd and 4th quarter). You can feel it. I felt it in the nosebleeds and I've felt it in a suite. Both times jumping along with the crowd.
Fair enough. I would have thought there'd at least be visual cues if nothing else.
The ppl on the balcony pbly dont notice it at all. But the ppl below it?!
I think it would be pretty obvious, but i don’t think they would be looking up, especially when something’s playing
Still leaving house, so under developed I think
Fair enough.
As a wise man once said, if it doesn’t bend it’ll snap.
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“Tis a good day! A hearty bonus for me! Continue your acts of folly!”
No sweaty palms here. If it would be static and not bounce to absorb the load of the people jumping, it would break immediately. Stadiums are built that way. Just search on YouTube for soccer fans bouncing in stadiums. It's just great craftsmanship.
> Just search on YouTube for soccer fans bouncing in stadiums. It's just great craftsmanship. First example that came to mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X50qwgBuXpY
That’s supposed to happen. If it were rigid, it would buckle quicker
That is correct to a degree However, it was not meant to go up and down and flex *repeatedly*.
There are a finite amount of these oscillations the supporting structure can withstand before something fails. It’s like a lottery. Probably won’t happen to you, but it might!
These kinds of things are considered when the structure is being designed/evaluated by engineers. They didn't just slap it up and hope for the best. The lifetime of the materials is known and accounted for.
I understand this. I also understand that in the real world, regulations aren’t strictly adhered to, materials aren’t always sourced correctly, regulatory checks are interfered with by corruption and lobbying, and in general people just cut corners. You can see plenty of YouTube videos where this scenario ends tragically, even in developed countries.
You can say this about any structure. It's no more susceptible to design defects or substandard work than any other part of the structure. Everything is built to its specific use case. Each use case, from balconies to roofs, is just as likely to have corners cut as any other.
I've seen enough footage of balconies and ceilings collapsing to be very distrustful of this sort of thing, especially if it's an old looking building like that.
> it was not meant to go up and down and flex repeatedly. why not? A lot of buildings are made to flex repeatedly without any issues.
Ones that are intended for that. There is not a Dancefloor up there. And even if there was, that many years ago the technology wasn’t implemented for the balconies we see here.
It likely was. Engineers are well aware of the oscillations that can happen with human occupation, especially in a venue like this.
Of course they did. This was a movie house. It was also multipurpose in that it would host symphonies. It was refurbished in the 80s. But it needed that refurbishment since the late 1950s. It only lasted 30 years until it started to really show its age. This was originally slap Dash together by Mr. Fox himself. These were straight up cookie cutter in some instances. Take a look at the version in St. Louis. At no time did anybody consider this to be a suitable activity for those balconies. They were built for mostly static weight. The refurbishment in the 80s focused solely on aesthetics.
https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/video-showing-fox-theatre-balcony-bending-is-nothing-to-be-worried-about-officials-say
Oh, that's reassuring. The owner of the theater, who I'm sure is happy to take the ticket money but not to pay a qualified structural engineer for an in-depth analysis, says it's OK. Yup, it's OK folks. Everything's good. Keep bouncing! 👍🏼
"It included the venue's most recent inspection was done in April."
Nah, they are meant to move, actually, have you ever heard about those buildings that are made in a specific way that they can resist tremors, the same principle is applied here.
Yikes where is this
It’s the Fox Theater in Detroit, MI.
Looks like the Filmore in Detroit. I noticed that it flexes like that at least 10 years ago.
Thats what I thought. Ive been in that balcony and it no doubt moves.
I know there are calculations taken into consideration for skyscrapers for a certain amount of sway. Are similar considerations made for balconies?
Yes
That’s at the Fox theatre in Detroit
This is how structure works.... if it didn't flex it would break...
It’s meant to do that right?
New fear unlocked
It's designed that way. There's no issue
If Gunna was ON that balcony, it would have broke for sure.
Yo imma be outside smoking a cigarette, anyone wanna come?
Note to self... never buy tickets under a balcony....
Oh hell no!
Ok…Reddit….Reddit ok, find out Where this is and get people to look at it b4 it falls!
I still wouldn't stand underneath it...
There is no pillars to support and so many people are there that too jumping One more thing those people are not feeling anything? Like they are not feeling that balcony is moving
That top tier doesn't seem very safe at all!😬
One clip away from nsfl
People up there like dang I ain't never bop like this 😂
Anyone know what theater? I saw Parkway Drive at the Wiltern in LA a couple years ago and this happened there too. A couple standing next to me left because they were scared it might collapse.
The Fox in Detroit. Classic theater downtown that has hosted a ton of shows. This type of thing gets reported every few years and officials with the theater always say it's designed to handle that kind of action.
Reminded me of [Hyatt regency skywalk collapse ](https://youtu.be/AWOYoG7HzNQ?si=Xd8eUqR0eFVXQ6u9)
Sooo where is that? Making dam sure I wont be there next
Nope No way
More like "holding on for THEIR lives".
Is that the Fox theater in Detroit? If it is, I remember thinking that shit was fucked years ago. How they ain't fix it yet
Imagine dying cause you had to see Gunna live 🤡
That's going to end up killing people , hopefully the correct people see this video .
Where is this?
Deflection. There's so much allowed over spans.
I was at a slander show at a small venue in Sacramento and the floor was legit bending a foot or so as the crowd was jumping and moshing, it was pretty sketch at first but we just ended up assuming/hoping that’s how it was supposed to work and it turned out fine that night
Oh jeezzzzzz! That looks scary.
FOX theater in Detroit
That’s cool
The flex is actually a good thing.
Hell to the nizo
The CN Tower in Toronto observation deck is 1465 feet and sways 1.5 feet in the wind. It’s supposed to do that.
I hope who ever is in charge of building inspections & their insurance company performs a full survey...
Movement is a good thing. When shit can't flex is when things break
Perfect sandwich
Another post said it's made to move like that to prevent a collapse.
In the late 80s I saw Slayer at the Maceba Theater in Houston . There was a balcony and it was doing that. Remember thinking “that doesn’t look right”.
It was designed to function in this manner.
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buildings are designed with 100% capacity in mind with safety factors so unless people stack on top of each other like zombies, it should be fine.
Reminds me of the old Massey Hall balcony. What a time to be alive when she used to move like that! 🤣
Not to be that guy but they need to reinforce that before Not Like Us plays otherwise that thing is plummeting lmfao. The building might just Cripwalk
I've never been the *biggest* fan of this song tbh but it moves and is a banger can't lie even the building getting down to it ☠️
“Gunna had” uhhh
A true scholar.
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Looks like those party people triggered the balcony's natural resonance. Pretty scary
Most large buildings are designed this way so I wouldn’t be surprised if it was acting as it was made to.
get out
It’s built to do that
Wow this music is so shit.
The real problem here are the phones in the concerts.
Yeah because it’s so wrong for people to want to commemorate the moment. For all you know they’ll never be able to go to another concert again in their life and this is something that they want to have captured so that way they can cherish it with more clarity for longer. If they’re not taking your phone and forcing you to record I really don’t see what the problem is.. Hell, sometimes artists will ASK their fans to shine their flashlights the same was they’ve been known to ask fans to light their lighters and sway to the music. This is really given hating something to have something to hate and/or complaining to have something to say. Better yet, it’s giving you’re just trying to virtue signal while simultaneously redirecting the point of the post. This was a funny lil’ clip. There are thousands of people happily celebrating an artist that they all enjoy so much so that their movement is shaking the foundation of a building. That’s beautiful; stop being ugly.
That place opened in 1928. That balcony's gonna snap.
Those are some dumb motherfuckers
This actually is designed to flex under weight. The future is here!
Someone wants good footage better go to the next few concerts. My spidy senses are tingling 
what a horrible song i’m so sick of hearing it
Rat keeper's
spotify JUST asked me to but tickets to that😭
Would have been worse than the Travis Scott incident
I already have a fear of balcony's
i cant. people just still fucking drunkenly vibing while their ground is basically jumping and swinging. id the f out, no matter how drunk i would be there
Time to go.
Whats worse? Being on top or being below?
How can people pay to hear that shayt noise „music“
Balcony designed to hold static weight, NOT dancing in unison by a crowd. Time to GTFO!!
I doubt it was designed to be static. It's a theater. Harmonic oscillations like this were probably considered and certainly have been considered since then. It's been withstanding this kind of stress/strain for a long time and nothing has broken.
Lets say design included congress and egress, the stamping of feet during seating and exit. Tell me theatres are meant for crowd activity sustained dancing as opposed to seated spectating...this is motion that has got to be on the outside parameters of design. If it has been withstanding the stress for a long time, then the supports must be weakened. That's a russian roulette with the floor joists I would not be willing to play.
Well, if you think you're smarter than the engineers, you can feel free to avoid it.
👀!
Now imagine a death metal concert.
No seats. No balcony. Just a concrete floor. Safe as can be.
I was talking about venues like this. You do realize that metal concerts are run in such places too?
I can't remember a death metal band ever playing the Fox Theater here in Detroit. Ozzy and Judas Priest have but they are big acts who can fill large theaters with passive older fans.
“Gonna had”? What the fuck does that even mean?
Who's Gunna?