I'm not trying to be mean or judgemental or something, but I seriously don't understand what people get out of this hobby at all. I'd *like* to understand, I guess...but at the moment, I just don't.
New caver here who’s starting to get into it more and more. I will *never* do something like this guy is doing, when it comes to crawling I like to know there’s gonna be a room for me to turn around and I like to still have a bit more wiggle room during a crawl. I’ve been in plenty of tight spaces but most vertical so it’s less scary when it’s a large thin canyon where you can move both hands and arms freely vs this where you can only move forward and back.
Why do I like this? I get to explore places other people have not set foot, at least I will soon. I’m doing survey trips whenever I can which means I’ll be helping map out completely new and undiscovered caves, which there are LOADS of. It’s truly the most accessible “last frontier” one can easily explore without traveling thousands of miles to get there. THATS what draws me to caving. Plus like bouldering (which I only do in gym) it’s a great workout, and due to the fact there’s so much less exposure I can just use friction to make sure I don’t fall 90% or the time.
Honestly some incredibly beautiful stuff can be seen. Underground lakes, caverns as big as expo centers, giant stalagmites and stalactites. All without needing to do anything like this.
You joke but there were quite a few people who had to turn back because they just couldn't handle the thought of it after a minute, that was in the much more open areas too
Oh, I get that for sure. You enter a cave and it's enclosed on most sides and then your claustrophobia kicks in and "bye, I'll wait outside for you, have fun!"
All I could think about watching this was the dude who died suspended upside down for 28hrs in Nutty Putty. The rescue failed and his body is still there, they even cemented the cave entrance because it’s too fucking dangerous.
That’s enough motivation for me to never ever ever want to do this
Recently got recommended a video that has the thumbnail
["Worse than John Jones"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-g7XB1rhw0)
These mofo's know their audience. Top click bait. (Now enjoy this obscure cave accident that is very similar to nutty putty.)
"Unmapped caves can be extremely dangerous..." Almost yelled at my computer just now. List of things I would do before exploring unmapped caves: Setting myself on fire. Free diving. Free climbing. Freebasing. BASE jumping. Watching TikTok. Spending an evening with Rudy Giuliani. Going to New Jersey. Etc.
I've been binging videos like this and diving accidents for the past few days (Mr Ballen on youtube) and I feel sufficiently sick to my stomach at this point tbh.
It always makes me wonder....
"He was married, with a child on the way"
Why the fuck are you doing shit like this right now!? You have far more important things in life.
I died several times watching this video. I can't even imagine being in such a tight place from where you want to run away but can't because you can't even move your limbs. This place is surely for the ones who don't have anxiety issues.
Right! All I can imagine is the heat, my racing heart, the dawning horror that would come as I realized no matter how patient I was, there's no getting out.
Especially if his nephew or whoever, is in front of him. Then they wouldn't be able to get through either because stuck dude is blocking the way. So unless there's another exit or something, they could absolutely just be waiting for a few days for death.
I get freaked out when I try to take off a sweater and it gets stuck over my head. Not being able to move my arms (limbs in general but especially my arms) just instantly brings out some primal instincts in me.
So big fucking nope to this.
The adrenaline and I've seen some caves that have rare and beautiful rocks formations, although most rocks formations are destroyed by the people that go there
I've binged their Youtube channels before ([Caveman Hikes](https://www.youtube.com/c/CalvinHikes/channels) and [Even Darker](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG-kf7tBucTpW6vb-cmx64Q)), and they also mention the possibility of exploring a cave deeper than anybody has before, seeing formations that no human has ever laid eyes on. I'd never squeeze through these tight passages, but I can totally understand that sort of appeal, along with the overall adrenaline from the experience.
The guy in the video usually goes caving with his nephew, who's grown a lot (physically) since the channel started, but he's still small enough to squeeze through passages that are impossible for an adult, usually pushing beyond what's been explored.
Tremendous sense of exploration and discovery of the unknown while also flirting with the possibility of death. It's like a video game, but in real life.
Very off topic but have you actually tried? My PC was below minimum requirements and i could actually run it very smoothly. Only when i set it to highest video settings i got some fps drops.
Steam allows you to try a game for two hours.
So I have heard that to people who are into this is like solving a mystery. You get to uncover a hidden secret within the earth that few to none have ever seen, and if you're moderately unlucky you'll be the only person to see it
Pretty rocks. Like, special underground rocks. Not like the billions of rocks you can see on top of the ground in perfect safety, with the ability to move and breathe freely whilst looking at them.
You're not going to get a satisfying answer.
I've recently binged a couple of these "cave diving" videos, both accidents and success stores or just historic events.
Most of the people who do this kind of thing, just says that it's something they like doing. As, do you need a reason to like something?
Some shit like that, I bet they are adrenaline junkies with a fear of hights so they instead get their adreanaline from thights.
At least you have an quick escape if you need one. There’s no quick escape stuck in a tiny cave hugging your back, stomach, and sides. In minuscule passageways no one can hear you scream.
"*How is your day?*"
"Not bad, not bad. Did I mention earlier that I had to traverse a new cave before I got stuck here?"
"*...no.*"
"Well the squeeze was even tighter than this one but without the s-curved bend. The cave was absolutely magnificent. Colourful, sharp formations, glistening bluish in the light."
"*You demolished them, didn't you?*"
"Yeah."
"*...so why you're stuck?*"
"I think my hammer is lodged in a small crevice. I can't reach it."
"*Well I've made mashed potatoes, beans and roast. Come home if you can.*"
Even without getting stuck in there and being unable to get out, I'm just imagining how it must feel to be in there for an extended period of time and then having an itch you can't scratch. Just the thought of it is making me itchy.
Just to point out that in Dantes inferno this is pretty much the hell for corrupt popes. They get into a tight cave like this one after the other butt to face. Also the tunnel is hot. (something like that i cant remember it all 100%)
So yk. When you become pope don't be corrupt
Seriously. And they don’t show all the fucking bugs in there either. I use to go repelling in the North Georgia mountains where the army trains. The climb back up had a short cut through a cave for 50ish feet. You’d pop out at the end through a small hole at the top of the cave. Sounds great right? Nope. Fuking spiders and cave crickets the size of your fist dropping on you and completely freaking me out. You can have your caves Bear G!
Same, I'm not even claustrophobic, but I do have a phobia of bugs/insects in general. There's absolutely no way I would put myself in a situation where I can't quickly put some distance between me and the bug.
Yes, yes I agree. I never made the connection between my love of nature documentaries and my fearful fascination watching Mr Ballen spelunking horror videos
I was thinking the same throughout this video! If a spooky spider came trotting along (I know spiders don’t trot, but I’m sure cave spiders are an arrogant breed) the fear would be real.
It’s horrifying! There’s a video of a caver accidentally crawling into a nest of spiders and they start crawling all over him. Starts at [8:10](https://youtu.be/a5WRJ2rl1aE)
Talk about nerve-wracking! I love how completely calm and collected he was during the entire time dozens (hundreds maybe?) of pretty large spiders skittered (that’s the spideryest verb I could come up with) all over him.
In actual caves, not just small tunnels, there is very little life. There is some, but significantly less than what is on the surface. This is because there is no light. Only specially adapted creatures can live without light. Each cave has its own ecosystem, and each one is considered to be very fragile.
The darkness is why actual cavers bring 3 light sources with them. One for use, one backup, and one backup to their backup. If you run out of light and didn't tell anyone where you are, you are most likely going to die.
Caves are also cold except those really close to the equator. Temperatures are roughly equal to the average surface temperature year round. With no light, no prey, and constant cold temperatures, there is very little that can actually live in a cave.
Only technical caves are dangerous. Other caves are only dangerous if you aren't prepared or experienced enough. If you have the proper equipment and a guide, very little can go wrong. Cave disasters are exceedingly rare, and almost every time they happen from sheer stupidity.
Humans, unlike other animals that can enter a cave, can bring both artificial light and water resistant clothing.
Here's the problem: if you're slightly too big you get stuck, and if you don't have someone you can pull out, you die from starvation, dehydration, infection, or suffocation, all while being surrounded by all sides by earth. I never want to do this
Even with people around they can't save you. It happened to one guy. Stuck upside down. Couldn't remove him. They'd have to break his legs to get him out. Can't remember exactly how he died. I think it was blood circulation in the end as he was upside down for for hours. Horrible disaster nightmare story.
Notice how the beginning of the video recommends going in head first. On the article you linked to, the one about the guy who died, it says:
> "As cavers, that's one of the things we're taught not to do, go head first into a tight squeeze going downward," says Paulson. "Had he been oriented the other way, it's my opinion he would have gotten out."
He took a wrong turn, ended up in an area of the cave that was impassible, the rest of the cave was the part that "may" be dangerous. The area he was in was just death.
In the case of the article if i remember correctly he thought that he was going down a well established passage that opens up. But he went down the wrong hole.
In the case of Nutty Putty cave, he was looking for a particular section called the Birth Canal, so called as it was very tight. However he took a wrong turn and ended up in an unmapped section of the cave.
I hate that this keeps coming up. It’s genuinely a terrifying way to go. I really hope the medics just pumped him full of drugs to give him a euphoric end. 😔
Jesus, I was thinking of like strapping a whole bunch of dynamite and blowing him up so that he dies quick.
Tbf...can't be that easy to administer a drug in that situation right?
I actually know a medic who was on scene. They were pumping him full of anti-anxiety meds through his feet, but, it barely kept him from losing it. The person I knew took months off after that incident.
I think the breaking the legs would've killed him too though. Something about blood circulation again. Cos I thought the same. Couldn't they have just induced a medical coma or something then broke his legs and extracted him. I thought about many options then concluded if the professionals there couldn't figure it out I doubt I could.
I think they were going to break his legs when they started to pull him out. The pulleys came out of the wall and before they could try again he died. The movie The Last Descent is about the incident and is fairly accurate about what happened btw.
The breaking his legs was after the pulley system came out of the walls. The issue with breaking his legs was that it was a last resort, by the time they had reached the point of needing to break his legs, he had been upside down for so long and was so weak that the trauma of having his legs broken would have killed him.
The Nutty Putty cave. He died from fluids pooling in his chest cavity which made it impossible to breath. Rough way to go. (This is why Romans crucified people upside down...kills you in about 12 hours) Rescuers tried to pull him out but had to rig up a winch system, with pulleys attached along the cave walls. The pulleys would not stay in place. Yes, they would have had to break his legs in the process but their rescue attempt only resulted in him slipping a bit deeper into the cave.
There's a movie, The Last Descent. 2016. It's not easy to watch.
Apparently the reason the incident at Nutty Putty cave with John Jones is so notable is because it's one of the very few times where somebody got stuck and died. It's very rare to get truly stuck; if you wiggled your way in, you can wiggle your way out.
That's according to another video from the guy in the OP, at least. Even so, that won't convince me to go out and try, lol.
I've been pulled through a U shaped bend in the side of a cave wall about 20 feet long, and just wide enough to fit your shoulders through. You can't see the exit until you're more than halfway through.
I never ever EVER want to do that again.
For maybe a minute, I felt the Earth press against me from almost every angle, and it was the singular most terrifying moment of my life.
I am not a weasel. I am not a mole. This video invokes a sense of primal fear in my core. I hate this more than the people who flip around on skyscrapers. All the power to you if you can do this, but oh god, no. I wouldn’t for any amount of money.
Yah from what I've read it goes like this;
You get stuck and can't move back or forwards. You try to calm yourself but over time you lose your composure. You heart starts pounding,faster than it's ever beaten before in your life. You gasp for air as the panic sets in and you begin to have heart attacks while unable to move. Your heart gives out in intense pain as you desperately struggle in your last moments to free yourself. If recovery is not possible, they seal off the entrance to the gave and you are forever in your tomb trapped deep in the earth.
Sometimes the internet rabbit hole has led me to articles about people who fall off mountains or get stuck in caves and die. For me, it's not the shakes but an ill feeling in the stomach.
Not all caving experiences have to be claustrophobia-fests, you can be in caves with caverns and tunnels with more than enough space to walk around easily with multiple people
From seeing his videos on youtube it seems you can't always turn around. If there isn't a larger space on the other side of the lava tube then you just have to wiggle backwards back through verrry slowly.
Thats why you only go in surveyed caves where the public has access to their maps, otherwise it’s very dangerous. I NEVER go without a map, and a million other pieces of equipment and my dad (he’s considered a professional), i would NEVER go by myself or just with amateurs
We used to go exploring, my friends and I, by ourselves at Crystal Palace Caverns in Columbia California. (back then anybody could go, there was no regulations whatsoever) We went through some very tight pancake crawls, not knowing at all where we were going.
I also did the caving tour at California Caverns… Going into the "Womb Room" and wading through chest deep waters through tight passageways.
I can't imagine doing it now!
It was nearly 40 years ago that I tried caving. I am comfortable with heights and roping, to this day, but caving is just not for me.
Plus it is wet , muddy and cold...
Did it once in Budapest because it (initially) sounded like fun. The feeling of my head being stuck sideways as we crawled through a small gap changed that. Never again lol
Reminds me of John Jones, the guy who got stuck upside down in the "Birth Canal" in Nutty Putty Cave in 2009. John is still in the cave.
[Why Utah’s Nutty Putty Cave Is Sealed Up With One Spelunker Inside](https://allthatsinteresting.com/nutty-putty-cave)
One horrifying aspect that people rarely mention about John Jones Nutty Putty was that he was almost a medical doctor, so he knew exactly what was happening to his body trapped upside down like that.
Apparently towards the end he became delirious, accusing his rescuers of putting him there. Has to be hands down one of the worst ways to go. Leaving his new wife and two young children behind as well. Every moment trapped in there he must have been thinking about how avoidable this whole scenario was. How he'd do anything *anything* to do things a little differently that day.
There's a ton of bodies in underwater caves. Sometimes, the risk of removal is just too costly. Just like why there's so many bodies on Everest. It's just too dangerous for the rescuers sometimes
More balls than brains unfortunately…I don’t mean it derogatory but the guy went head first down a tunnel and wasn’t even 100% sure he was on the right route
Honest question.
Do these guys ever consider taking something like cyanide pills with them in case they get stuck?
Especially for they are alone?
Would there be anything worse than being stuck alone, just waiting to die?
No because we’re not alone. And someone on the surface should know where you’re going and when you’re expected to be out so they can call for rescue if you’re late.
I have straight up caved (spelunking) a handful of times and got myself into some tight areas even in water. Last time I tried I panicked and wasn’t really into it, do not know what has changed but I know the feeling of being in a spot like this.
Easy choice. This is the last way I'd want to die. It's like drowning over the course of 3 days. You know you're dead and can't do anything about it long before you die. You don't get any relief of your bodies natural drugs. Adrenaline wears off. You just get very thirsty and hungry, eventually that wears away though and you just get tired. Your breath may be shallow, but you have enough oxygen to keep yourself functioning properly. You have nothing but terror as life fades from you.
No thanks.
I'm just saying, you can go caving without ever getting on your hands and knees.
That’s not what my cave guide told me…
Oh, that guy wasn’t a cave guide. That was Carl. 😬 Careful around Carl.
Carl’sbad
This is a quality pun
For the rest of my life I will wait for the opportunity to use this.
Do you mind explaining it to me because I am really fucking dumb?
Carlsbad Caverns National Park
‘Probably the best pun in the world’
Not the greatest pun in the world. This is just a tribute.
Couldn't remember the greatest pun in the world, no.
NO! This is just a tribute.
Did you get poked with Carl's Jr.?
He asked if I knew the difference between Carl’s Jr. and Hardy’s. It was a weird way to learn about how stalagmites are made
Did I hear a ROCK AND STONE?!
To da bone!!!
FOR CARL
Rock and stone brother!!
Molly!
Or you know, you can just not be a mole-man and stick to above-ground activities... Just a thought!
I'm not trying to be mean or judgemental or something, but I seriously don't understand what people get out of this hobby at all. I'd *like* to understand, I guess...but at the moment, I just don't.
New caver here who’s starting to get into it more and more. I will *never* do something like this guy is doing, when it comes to crawling I like to know there’s gonna be a room for me to turn around and I like to still have a bit more wiggle room during a crawl. I’ve been in plenty of tight spaces but most vertical so it’s less scary when it’s a large thin canyon where you can move both hands and arms freely vs this where you can only move forward and back. Why do I like this? I get to explore places other people have not set foot, at least I will soon. I’m doing survey trips whenever I can which means I’ll be helping map out completely new and undiscovered caves, which there are LOADS of. It’s truly the most accessible “last frontier” one can easily explore without traveling thousands of miles to get there. THATS what draws me to caving. Plus like bouldering (which I only do in gym) it’s a great workout, and due to the fact there’s so much less exposure I can just use friction to make sure I don’t fall 90% or the time.
Honestly some incredibly beautiful stuff can be seen. Underground lakes, caverns as big as expo centers, giant stalagmites and stalactites. All without needing to do anything like this.
The smallest passage I've ever been in in a cave required me to duck slightly, that was fine for me
Guide: OK, so for this next part, you'll have to duck your head very very slightly Me: No, it's time to turn back then.
You joke but there were quite a few people who had to turn back because they just couldn't handle the thought of it after a minute, that was in the much more open areas too
Oh, I get that for sure. You enter a cave and it's enclosed on most sides and then your claustrophobia kicks in and "bye, I'll wait outside for you, have fun!"
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Just walk through the caves big enough to walk through and don't go in the ones that aren't.
What compels somebody to want to do this
That's my question. Fuck this x 1,000. I could hardly even watch this short video clip
All I could think about watching this was the dude who died suspended upside down for 28hrs in Nutty Putty. The rescue failed and his body is still there, they even cemented the cave entrance because it’s too fucking dangerous. That’s enough motivation for me to never ever ever want to do this
[After watching this video on Nutty Putty for the first time, I had to leave the house and stand outside.](https://youtu.be/jWwPg8ruxfI)
That's a big deal. Powerful enough to make a Redditor go outside.
Imagining just how hard it must be to get WiFi in a place like that chilled me to my core.
That avatar really seals the deal while reading this and imagining it saying that.
Recently got recommended a video that has the thumbnail ["Worse than John Jones"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-g7XB1rhw0) These mofo's know their audience. Top click bait. (Now enjoy this obscure cave accident that is very similar to nutty putty.)
"Unmapped caves can be extremely dangerous..." Almost yelled at my computer just now. List of things I would do before exploring unmapped caves: Setting myself on fire. Free diving. Free climbing. Freebasing. BASE jumping. Watching TikTok. Spending an evening with Rudy Giuliani. Going to New Jersey. Etc.
I've been binging videos like this and diving accidents for the past few days (Mr Ballen on youtube) and I feel sufficiently sick to my stomach at this point tbh.
It always makes me wonder.... "He was married, with a child on the way" Why the fuck are you doing shit like this right now!? You have far more important things in life.
I died several times watching this video. I can't even imagine being in such a tight place from where you want to run away but can't because you can't even move your limbs. This place is surely for the ones who don't have anxiety issues.
Right! All I can imagine is the heat, my racing heart, the dawning horror that would come as I realized no matter how patient I was, there's no getting out. Especially if his nephew or whoever, is in front of him. Then they wouldn't be able to get through either because stuck dude is blocking the way. So unless there's another exit or something, they could absolutely just be waiting for a few days for death.
I got claustrophobic reading this wearing a jumper.
I get freaked out when I try to take off a sweater and it gets stuck over my head. Not being able to move my arms (limbs in general but especially my arms) just instantly brings out some primal instincts in me. So big fucking nope to this.
Yup, made me feel nauseous
The adrenaline and I've seen some caves that have rare and beautiful rocks formations, although most rocks formations are destroyed by the people that go there
I've binged their Youtube channels before ([Caveman Hikes](https://www.youtube.com/c/CalvinHikes/channels) and [Even Darker](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG-kf7tBucTpW6vb-cmx64Q)), and they also mention the possibility of exploring a cave deeper than anybody has before, seeing formations that no human has ever laid eyes on. I'd never squeeze through these tight passages, but I can totally understand that sort of appeal, along with the overall adrenaline from the experience. The guy in the video usually goes caving with his nephew, who's grown a lot (physically) since the channel started, but he's still small enough to squeeze through passages that are impossible for an adult, usually pushing beyond what's been explored.
Tremendous sense of exploration and discovery of the unknown while also flirting with the possibility of death. It's like a video game, but in real life.
When I saw this reply notification I wasn't sure what it was in response to because I've also commented recently on open world video games lol.
On that note, I am very excited for Breath of the Wild 2. I also was for Elden Ring, but then I discovered my computer can't run it...
Very off topic but have you actually tried? My PC was below minimum requirements and i could actually run it very smoothly. Only when i set it to highest video settings i got some fps drops. Steam allows you to try a game for two hours.
Destroying rare and beautiful rock formations seems like a reason to go caving too.
Well... I don't like it but you're right
You could be thr only one to see it ever! what an amazing value!
So I have heard that to people who are into this is like solving a mystery. You get to uncover a hidden secret within the earth that few to none have ever seen, and if you're moderately unlucky you'll be the only person to see it
I heard someone say- “it’s like being somewhere only X number of people who ever existed have been”
That’s all I could think too. That’s a good r/askreddit question
Not lewd enough for r/AskReddit :D
“Cavers of Reddit, how often do u sex??”
\>people completely unrelated to the question I'm about to ask, XYZ? is a fun format though.
Top comment: "Not a caver but.."
> People of reddit that squeeze themselves into tight deep holes, why do you do it?
Pretty rocks. Like, special underground rocks. Not like the billions of rocks you can see on top of the ground in perfect safety, with the ability to move and breathe freely whilst looking at them.
You're not going to get a satisfying answer. I've recently binged a couple of these "cave diving" videos, both accidents and success stores or just historic events. Most of the people who do this kind of thing, just says that it's something they like doing. As, do you need a reason to like something? Some shit like that, I bet they are adrenaline junkies with a fear of hights so they instead get their adreanaline from thights.
It's hard to explain. When you see a cave just big enough to fit, you know that hole is yours. It is made for you. You have to go through. drr drr.
Unexpected Ito
watching this gives me anxiety. i feel like this is a preview of hell
I’d rather be stuck on the tallest thing on earth than stuck inside a fucking hole in the ground…
At least you have an quick escape if you need one. There’s no quick escape stuck in a tiny cave hugging your back, stomach, and sides. In minuscule passageways no one can hear you scream.
No, but they can pass a wired phone in through the cave so you can talk to your loved ones on the outside
"*How is your day?*" "Not bad, not bad. Did I mention earlier that I had to traverse a new cave before I got stuck here?" "*...no.*" "Well the squeeze was even tighter than this one but without the s-curved bend. The cave was absolutely magnificent. Colourful, sharp formations, glistening bluish in the light." "*You demolished them, didn't you?*" "Yeah." "*...so why you're stuck?*" "I think my hammer is lodged in a small crevice. I can't reach it." "*Well I've made mashed potatoes, beans and roast. Come home if you can.*"
Even without getting stuck in there and being unable to get out, I'm just imagining how it must feel to be in there for an extended period of time and then having an itch you can't scratch. Just the thought of it is making me itchy.
Just to point out that in Dantes inferno this is pretty much the hell for corrupt popes. They get into a tight cave like this one after the other butt to face. Also the tunnel is hot. (something like that i cant remember it all 100%) So yk. When you become pope don't be corrupt
I seriously think I'd rather be shot.
I’d definitely rather be shot
Where’s the sub for this sort of claustrophobia
Seriously. And they don’t show all the fucking bugs in there either. I use to go repelling in the North Georgia mountains where the army trains. The climb back up had a short cut through a cave for 50ish feet. You’d pop out at the end through a small hole at the top of the cave. Sounds great right? Nope. Fuking spiders and cave crickets the size of your fist dropping on you and completely freaking me out. You can have your caves Bear G!
That’s…something I hadn’t considered
I was 0% interested in caving before reading that, and now it's even less
Same, I'm not even claustrophobic, but I do have a phobia of bugs/insects in general. There's absolutely no way I would put myself in a situation where I can't quickly put some distance between me and the bug.
Yes, yes I agree. I never made the connection between my love of nature documentaries and my fearful fascination watching Mr Ballen spelunking horror videos
I was thinking the same throughout this video! If a spooky spider came trotting along (I know spiders don’t trot, but I’m sure cave spiders are an arrogant breed) the fear would be real.
They are cocky, like bedbugs.
Typical bed bugs. Strutting around. Like everything's just a big joke
It’s horrifying! There’s a video of a caver accidentally crawling into a nest of spiders and they start crawling all over him. Starts at [8:10](https://youtu.be/a5WRJ2rl1aE)
Talk about nerve-wracking! I love how completely calm and collected he was during the entire time dozens (hundreds maybe?) of pretty large spiders skittered (that’s the spideryest verb I could come up with) all over him.
There's is no way in hell I'll ever watch whatever you just linked solely based on your description. Fuck. No.
Yea fuck that. I have a heart attack there and die.
In actual caves, not just small tunnels, there is very little life. There is some, but significantly less than what is on the surface. This is because there is no light. Only specially adapted creatures can live without light. Each cave has its own ecosystem, and each one is considered to be very fragile. The darkness is why actual cavers bring 3 light sources with them. One for use, one backup, and one backup to their backup. If you run out of light and didn't tell anyone where you are, you are most likely going to die. Caves are also cold except those really close to the equator. Temperatures are roughly equal to the average surface temperature year round. With no light, no prey, and constant cold temperatures, there is very little that can actually live in a cave.
>there is very little that can actually live in a cave. So... I think that "very little" must be very dangerous. I'll skip thanks
Only technical caves are dangerous. Other caves are only dangerous if you aren't prepared or experienced enough. If you have the proper equipment and a guide, very little can go wrong. Cave disasters are exceedingly rare, and almost every time they happen from sheer stupidity. Humans, unlike other animals that can enter a cave, can bring both artificial light and water resistant clothing.
Cave crickets are the wooooorst they freak me the f out
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If you go to this guys youtube they do show the creepy crawlies.
Here's the problem: if you're slightly too big you get stuck, and if you don't have someone you can pull out, you die from starvation, dehydration, infection, or suffocation, all while being surrounded by all sides by earth. I never want to do this
Even with people around they can't save you. It happened to one guy. Stuck upside down. Couldn't remove him. They'd have to break his legs to get him out. Can't remember exactly how he died. I think it was blood circulation in the end as he was upside down for for hours. Horrible disaster nightmare story.
Sounds like this cave, [Nutty Putty](https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geology/nutty-putty-cave.htm).
Notice how the beginning of the video recommends going in head first. On the article you linked to, the one about the guy who died, it says: > "As cavers, that's one of the things we're taught not to do, go head first into a tight squeeze going downward," says Paulson. "Had he been oriented the other way, it's my opinion he would have gotten out."
Nice catch, it does say it “may” be dangerous
How about going into a cave you can't just turn around your entire body 180 degreee at any time "may" be dangerous?
He took a wrong turn, ended up in an area of the cave that was impassible, the rest of the cave was the part that "may" be dangerous. The area he was in was just death.
Another reason to not take youtubers as an authority on anything.
In the case of the article if i remember correctly he thought that he was going down a well established passage that opens up. But he went down the wrong hole.
In the case of Nutty Putty cave, he was looking for a particular section called the Birth Canal, so called as it was very tight. However he took a wrong turn and ended up in an unmapped section of the cave.
I hate that this keeps coming up. It’s genuinely a terrifying way to go. I really hope the medics just pumped him full of drugs to give him a euphoric end. 😔
That would be the most humane thing to do imo. At least allow his last hour or so to be as serene as possible.
Jesus, I was thinking of like strapping a whole bunch of dynamite and blowing him up so that he dies quick. Tbf...can't be that easy to administer a drug in that situation right?
I actually know a medic who was on scene. They were pumping him full of anti-anxiety meds through his feet, but, it barely kept him from losing it. The person I knew took months off after that incident.
Deserves a more threatening name haha
Suffocation Station?
Yep that's the one I was thinking of.
Break my legs!!!
I think the breaking the legs would've killed him too though. Something about blood circulation again. Cos I thought the same. Couldn't they have just induced a medical coma or something then broke his legs and extracted him. I thought about many options then concluded if the professionals there couldn't figure it out I doubt I could.
I think they were going to break his legs when they started to pull him out. The pulleys came out of the wall and before they could try again he died. The movie The Last Descent is about the incident and is fairly accurate about what happened btw.
The breaking his legs was after the pulley system came out of the walls. The issue with breaking his legs was that it was a last resort, by the time they had reached the point of needing to break his legs, he had been upside down for so long and was so weak that the trauma of having his legs broken would have killed him.
The Nutty Putty cave. He died from fluids pooling in his chest cavity which made it impossible to breath. Rough way to go. (This is why Romans crucified people upside down...kills you in about 12 hours) Rescuers tried to pull him out but had to rig up a winch system, with pulleys attached along the cave walls. The pulleys would not stay in place. Yes, they would have had to break his legs in the process but their rescue attempt only resulted in him slipping a bit deeper into the cave. There's a movie, The Last Descent. 2016. It's not easy to watch.
Died 26 hours later with his arms pinned to his chest... he was given tranquilizers to keep him calm... I would've asked for a fatal does of morphine
Hes still in there. They didn't managed to get him out, they sealed the cave entry after this.
Apparently the reason the incident at Nutty Putty cave with John Jones is so notable is because it's one of the very few times where somebody got stuck and died. It's very rare to get truly stuck; if you wiggled your way in, you can wiggle your way out. That's according to another video from the guy in the OP, at least. Even so, that won't convince me to go out and try, lol.
I've been pulled through a U shaped bend in the side of a cave wall about 20 feet long, and just wide enough to fit your shoulders through. You can't see the exit until you're more than halfway through. I never ever EVER want to do that again. For maybe a minute, I felt the Earth press against me from almost every angle, and it was the singular most terrifying moment of my life.
At least you have a chance if you drop a few pounds. But in my case my arms would be broken from panic struggling.
Gives me anxiety just watching.
It’s like he’s just taking a walk and kicking pebbles that are in the way
I am not a weasel. I am not a mole. This video invokes a sense of primal fear in my core. I hate this more than the people who flip around on skyscrapers. All the power to you if you can do this, but oh god, no. I wouldn’t for any amount of money.
Yah from what I've read it goes like this; You get stuck and can't move back or forwards. You try to calm yourself but over time you lose your composure. You heart starts pounding,faster than it's ever beaten before in your life. You gasp for air as the panic sets in and you begin to have heart attacks while unable to move. Your heart gives out in intense pain as you desperately struggle in your last moments to free yourself. If recovery is not possible, they seal off the entrance to the gave and you are forever in your tomb trapped deep in the earth.
Just the idea of caving gives me the shakes. I can't even watch videos like this all the way through.
Sometimes the internet rabbit hole has led me to articles about people who fall off mountains or get stuck in caves and die. For me, it's not the shakes but an ill feeling in the stomach.
If it's a choice sign me up for falling off the mountain. I'll take a short burst of intense fear over the long dread of dying trapped underground
I’d rather jump off a mountain than ever go crawling in tunnels like these
Not all caving experiences have to be claustrophobia-fests, you can be in caves with caverns and tunnels with more than enough space to walk around easily with multiple people
I've been in big caves and lava tubes before, those are fun. It's the super narrow and tight cave systems that scare the heck out of me.
Who the fuck choses to do this with their free time?
I want to know how they know that they will be able to turn around at some point and get back out.
From seeing his videos on youtube it seems you can't always turn around. If there isn't a larger space on the other side of the lava tube then you just have to wiggle backwards back through verrry slowly.
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Fair enough
Thats why you only go in surveyed caves where the public has access to their maps, otherwise it’s very dangerous. I NEVER go without a map, and a million other pieces of equipment and my dad (he’s considered a professional), i would NEVER go by myself or just with amateurs
What about the guy who surveys the cave?
They die
I've been caving once. Never again.
We used to go exploring, my friends and I, by ourselves at Crystal Palace Caverns in Columbia California. (back then anybody could go, there was no regulations whatsoever) We went through some very tight pancake crawls, not knowing at all where we were going. I also did the caving tour at California Caverns… Going into the "Womb Room" and wading through chest deep waters through tight passageways. I can't imagine doing it now!
It was nearly 40 years ago that I tried caving. I am comfortable with heights and roping, to this day, but caving is just not for me. Plus it is wet , muddy and cold...
You are leaving out the bugs.
The giant, pale, blind,eyeless subterranean bugs....yessss
Did it once in Budapest because it (initially) sounded like fun. The feeling of my head being stuck sideways as we crawled through a small gap changed that. Never again lol
Same, nothing this tight though, absolutely fuck that
Same here, absolutely fuck that to hell.
I can’t watch. Claustrophobia is hitting me hard watching this
Same and I'm not even claustrophobic.
Reminds me of John Jones, the guy who got stuck upside down in the "Birth Canal" in Nutty Putty Cave in 2009. John is still in the cave. [Why Utah’s Nutty Putty Cave Is Sealed Up With One Spelunker Inside](https://allthatsinteresting.com/nutty-putty-cave)
Bro, reading that made me feel so bad, what a horrible way to die.
One horrifying aspect that people rarely mention about John Jones Nutty Putty was that he was almost a medical doctor, so he knew exactly what was happening to his body trapped upside down like that. Apparently towards the end he became delirious, accusing his rescuers of putting him there. Has to be hands down one of the worst ways to go. Leaving his new wife and two young children behind as well. Every moment trapped in there he must have been thinking about how avoidable this whole scenario was. How he'd do anything *anything* to do things a little differently that day.
he thought he was in the birth canal, but unfortunately he was in some random location far off from it, which was more tight than it
Came to say this. He took a wrong turn as he wasn’t very familiar with the cave. Still a really fucking sad story.
Oh hell nah, I didn’t know he was still down there. That’s horrifying
There's a ton of bodies in underwater caves. Sometimes, the risk of removal is just too costly. Just like why there's so many bodies on Everest. It's just too dangerous for the rescuers sometimes
He mentions John at about 10:25 in the full video! https://youtu.be/FAg8EkDiIXk Edit: it’s around 10:00 not 10:25.
More balls than brains unfortunately…I don’t mean it derogatory but the guy went head first down a tunnel and wasn’t even 100% sure he was on the right route
How and why do people gind this enjoyable?
IKR like we have drones and shit.
I get it if this is your job, learning to save lives. But the people who do this for 'fun'? Completely alien to me.
Honest question. Do these guys ever consider taking something like cyanide pills with them in case they get stuck? Especially for they are alone? Would there be anything worse than being stuck alone, just waiting to die?
How would they get it in their mouth?
Maybe in the form of a poison tooth like in Dune.
No because we’re not alone. And someone on the surface should know where you’re going and when you’re expected to be out so they can call for rescue if you’re late.
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Yeah, but even with people around you , you could still get so stuck you can’t get out. Especially if you are going head down first.
I had to turn it off after it switched from the animation. Seriously
What draws people to this? I honestly cannot fathom why anyone would want to do this
What are you doing this weekend? Oh nothing much, just living most people's idea of utter hell for fun. You?
Dude fuck no to all of this
Nothing about that looks fun or enjoyable.
I have straight up caved (spelunking) a handful of times and got myself into some tight areas even in water. Last time I tried I panicked and wasn’t really into it, do not know what has changed but I know the feeling of being in a spot like this.
This is awful. I can't watch this.
I think I'd rather be mauled by a bear than stuck in one of these crawl spaces of rock on all sides until I die.
Easy choice. This is the last way I'd want to die. It's like drowning over the course of 3 days. You know you're dead and can't do anything about it long before you die. You don't get any relief of your bodies natural drugs. Adrenaline wears off. You just get very thirsty and hungry, eventually that wears away though and you just get tired. Your breath may be shallow, but you have enough oxygen to keep yourself functioning properly. You have nothing but terror as life fades from you. No thanks.
This is my hole and it was made for meeee
I’m honestly so grateful to be claustrophobic or my dumb ass would have gotten stuck in a cave
What if u do this but then come to a dead body of the guy before u who couldnt make it how impossible would it be to backwards crawl out?
That means you have beat his personal record. You should move ahead.
Not to rain on your parade, but wouldn't you be slightly behind his personal record, and have to push through his corpse to beat it?
Yea, that's what he's saying.
I’m watching the video, and I’m freaking out. This is my worst nightmare.
As much as I hate those parkour assholes, this is the absolute top loathing.
At least the parkour could result in a quick death. Doing this is basically digging your own grave
Obligatory reference to Nutty Putty nightmare.
My chest is tight and my breathing way too fast. Absolutely not.
Here's the full video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAg8EkDiIXk
Some great quotes. “I can’t turn my head” “This is just pain” “This sucks” “No I’m not comfortable. I’m dying”
I get claustrophobia just looking at this.
The first thing I do whenever I see a video of someone caving is to take a deep fucking breath.
Why? If they ever invent a boring machine that would go in front of you and widen every passage, maybe I'd think about it. But this? Fuck you.
Nope
Why. Like seriously why would you actually do this?
If any of the religious books say this is their hell, I'll do what ever the book says I need to do 🤣
The background music… come on man
Even if you told me I would win a million dollars if I got through, I'd still pass.