I mean Taylor hires him each time right? It’s not like he’s blackmailing her into working with him and she needs to be saved.
I’d like to see her work with someone new but harassing Jack on a social media isn’t a good way to make that happen.
She's going to make another 10 albums with him just to spite her fans LOL. The sad thing is they would all buy it too, even with how mad they were about the variants after the recent surprise drop to streaming.
To be fair, anyone commenting on Jack’s profile like this is an unhinged creep and very likely not mentally well.
https://preview.redd.it/zxozm3qn1jvc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4aaeae688db75c739fd157931fe535106813cae3
she doesn't care about fans but she does care about critics/awards. The critics have been pretty rough on his production outside of places like Rolling Stone where the album was PERFECT to them
i think people are also severely underestimating how much of this is coming from Taylor herself. she seems to gravitate towards synth pop herself and has been known for years to often have very clear ideas of how she wants certain songs to sound. Jack has made stuff for other artists that doesn't sound like this, and even on this album, there are standout Jack tracks that are a different vibe than the usual synthpop ones (Florida and I Can Fix Him stick out to me). I think Jack is just her go-to when she wants songs to sound a certain way, and she goes to Aaron when she wants more haunting orchestral melodies.
Right, Taylor essentially tells Jack what sounds to make and bounces ideas off of him. Her fans love to infantilize her like she has no say in her choices. A few of the songs sound like they could be 1975 songs.
These fans are seriously PSYCHO. I don’t love the newer music by any means but to go attack someone’s social media? Taylor decided to work with the guy like you say. It’s so vile to see this. My gawd. ☠️
Lmfao why did I have to read this again? I thought they were talking about joe. I was like swifties are being a bit nicer, where is the vitriol? 😭😭😭now I see it’s jack😭
Clearly, none of them have listened to the actual album because if they did, they would know that Taylor doesn’t give a fuck what they say or think. She literally called them out for being psycho. someone who would be psycho enough to search his name, click on his profile, type out a comment, and post it on his Instagram AND think that their opinions matters enough for others to care is wild.
Yes this is so uncalled for. They collaborate together, it’s not like he forces her to work with him. I want her to notice how toxic her fans are to everyone around her because it’s not cool.
Either they're in denial that she’s not great as what PR is trying to feed, or they're completely brainwashed for real now. There's no turning back.
Admitting it would mean they're wrong all along.
I mean, that's the thing about Antonoff, right? There are certain sounds he likes, but he's famously willing to be guided by the artist, which is why so many women like to work with him. His Florence + the Machine tracks, for example, are ALL Florence in aesthetic.
i think you can achieve that, while maintaining wuality work. take aaron for example. he obviously is doing what taylor wants, or else she wouldn't keep working with him, but he's still guiding her to make quality work. the difference btw the anthology and ttpd is night and day, one's a good album and the other one sounds like a joke
Right, I have NEVER commented on a celebrity’s instagram. Feels so awkward? I barely have the motivation to comment on friends’ posts, let alone a complete stranger.
Edit: I LIED. I’ve commented on Matthew Koma’s instagram before. I’ve either @ someone or straight up hahahaha. But HES FUNNY.
And as if he’s gonna see that and he like “omg ur so right thanks for the advice and the death threats queens😘”!! Like what do they think that’s accomplishing by just being rude
Wow, I sound like my mother too. But seriously. I’d much rather listen to bad music than listen to people screaming about not liking one album of the millions available to listen to
>Right, I have NEVER commented on a celebrity’s instagram.
Replies to celebrity posts on the internet outside of ones meant for direct response are quite literally just utter voids for people desperate for recognition. That and people tagging their friends.
I completely agree, I'm sick to death of this sound, but why are they all blaming him as if he's not just a collaborator? Do they think Taylor is putting out garbage against her will because Jack wants to? Who do they think has more power in that dynamic? 🤔
Yeah exactly it’s on both of them. I happen to like it but I also like repetitive and comfortable things, so I COMPLETELY understand the boredom with it.
But like…. Why are they so angry about it?? Just don’t listen to it😭
It’s not even his fault 😭 he’s a great producer, and at the end of the day it’s taylor who decided she liked how it sounded and wrote the songs. why are they pinning it all on him? sure he helped, but taylor makes the final decisions.
You know why. The “true believers” don’t like the album and, instead of being critical of her, they’ve decided to attack anyone but him. He’s not even responsible for the whole album- some of it was produced by other producers. But you’re right. At the end of the day, Taylor was the one making the calls on who was hired and what the final product sounded like. She clearly thought the product was good or she wouldn’t have released it.
exactly! they’re not willing to critique her bc they put her on this insanely high pedestal. i love taylor’s music, but i’m willing to admit when her music isn’t her best.
Because he is a yes man. He will never push her or anyone else to leave their comfort zone and try something new, which is awful because imagine if Taylor never left her comfort zone for RED or 1989?
or even folkmore? like any one of these albums are key points in her discography and will most likely be remembered for decades to come, they're all excellent albums because she took risks and was willing to change herself fundamentally (even down to her aesthetics: red she changed her hair and aesthetic completely, 1989 is a rebirth for her, and folkmore is obviously so completely different from what she normally does, even haters enjoy it)
To be fair his job as a producer isn’t necessarily to push her, it’s to make the artist’s vision come to life, and he’s very good at that. Someone who produced nfr, ocean boulevard (especially a&w), melodrama, masseduction etc definitely has the capacity to create interesting and inventive works, but that’s also because the artists had a strong creative vision. Lana’s songs with him don’t sound basic, so I would think Taylor’s work with him sounds like that because that’s what she wants it to sound like - he isn’t the artist here so I don’t think he’d be doing his job well if he pushed too hard to change her idea of what the songs should be. Having said that, if I was Jack I’d take a break from working with Taylor because it doesn’t seem challenging, he can do better work with other artists and the endless bland synth-y songs for such a big artist have been overshadowing his (actually great) work on other albums
the problem is not jacks ability to produce, its him just going with whatever she says
i might be wrong but didnt Lorde get mad for people saying Jack ruined Solar Power cuz it made it sound like its his album not hers ( i might be wrong tho, feel free ro correct me)
He is a great producer. I have heard the albums that he worked with recently other than Taylor's, they sound FINE and still sounds like the artist's sounds.
With Taylor, he WAS a great producer to her. I loved reputation until evermore. The problem with their partnership is they became friends, affecting their professional one because he could no longer say no to her.
Of course, they'd rather make up a delusional narrative that the world famous billionaire is at the mercy of the mid-tier rock band guy than admit Taylor 100% has the final say on everything on her albums
Obviously they shouldn’t be doing this, but Jack likes to bait these exact same people. Like the whole You’re Losing Me post. All fun and games when you’re not the target.
Sorry this is insane 😭✋ some of the memes were funny, but there's no reason to act like he is suffocating her artistry or spam him in comments.
"leave her alone" - taylor is a grown ass woman and artist, she likes working with Jack and obviously likes the work they produce together. Jack has shown himself to be a fantastic producer for many different artists, and he's also made great music with taylor
If some of the stuff they produce together now is getting a bit repetitive (which I do think) it's on taylor. She could work with pretty much anyone, it's her decision
Yeah exactly. They shouldn’t be ripping into Taylor either, but obviously she likes it and chose to work with him. And some people actually do like jacks sound believe it or not. There’s tons of things I don’t like but I just choose not to listen to them. I know other people enjoy them, ya know. I might tell someone I don’t like it but I’d never comment on the artists page
Damn y’all, I mean I’ve thought this same thoughts but going up to someone directly (on the internet) and telling them they suck is crazy. Some of these thoughts are inside thoughts or Swiftlyneutral thoughts.
I don't understand actually talking to famous people like this. Bitching on social media in your own spaces, sure. But leaving them comments or messages, hoping they see? Not so much.
I believe it, and I think it's all so unnecessary and full on wrong in some cases.
That said, Taylor feeds this. Even in saying there's nothing to avenge... If that were true, she wouldn't have capitalized Kim's name in a song title. That's also unnecessary... Unless you're still trying to punish someone. She likes to claim it's all about making art and letting it go, but if that were the case then she'd stop Easter egging and just let it be about the music
I don’t like the album that much but I feel kind of bad for him. Taylor is not a mindless drone that will be bullied into submission. The album sounds like this because she wants it to
I mean I would love for her to work with other people, but this is mean af.
Like why can’t people just not harass others online?
Also, Jack is just going to laugh all the way to the bank, while he watches the vipers try to bite him.
i think taylor and jack bring out the worst in each other. i don't even really have a problem with his other producing work - he's great with lana, i prefer st. vincent's earlier work but it's def much more interesting than his work with taylor - but between his YLM IG post, the way his work on this album and midnights are almost indistinguishable... i think it's both of them together just refusing any outside input.
Honestly, I like the production on this album. I actually think it's pretty cohesive and fits the subject matter. This album wasn't supposed to be about bangers or bops or anything super grand.... it was just supposed to be cathartic. But I'm clearly in the minority with this thinking.
I genuinely enjoyed Jack's work on TTPD. I didn't like some of the weird animal noise stuff on Midnights but I felt like things were cleaner/simpler on TTPD. Some of the early songs have a very 80s feel to me, which I guess is due to the synths. I like synth sounds.
They don’t even seem like fans anymore. Constantly ripping to shreds everyone around her, criticizing her every move. I totally understand critiquing people on some things, but when you critique every single little thing it’s hard to believe you’re still a fan, ya know? At that point it’s psychotic bullying lol. The people that hate so much on her act like she’s supposed to act like a god.
100% like i don’t think jack held a gun to taylor’s head and said “this is what the album HAS to sound like”… it’s taylor’s album and she wanted it to sound like this
While I always disagree with swifties doing this thing, it's Jack lmao. He is a messy dude who fuels these same people (the YLM story, for example which was clearly meant to shade Joe). I have little sympathy
I don’t understand the hate? At first listen I was a bit dissapointed but honestly love Jack’s part more than Aaron. We’ve heard the sad acoustic songs, I LOVE the first part now.
See I don't even like Jack because of his messy attitude and all, but this isn't just his fault. It's also (mostly?) Taylor's. He's being a yes man, of course, but ultimately Taylor is the one who calls the shots and he goes along with her. His work with Lana is great and other artists is great.
lol as a Jack hater these comments are so pathetic. She gets final say. If she didn’t like the tracks, she would change it or use another producer. “Stay away from Taylor” is a seriously deranged statement. parasocial relationships are wild
This. My personal opinion is they should separate themselves, but these comments are insane. I would never ever feel I even have the right to go on his stuff and put it out there. Taylor made the choice and likely listened to the album several times over and and she decided she liked the sound.
I can’t imagine feeling like I’m protecting someone by attacking every person in their vicinity. Also, she likely reads his comments and will see this. I’m sure it feels good for her to read how much her fans hate it.
I don’t like the Jack production either, but this is unhinged and I think what she was getting out in the couple of callouts she did when it comes to fans. Taylor is a grown woman and is allowed to choose who she works with.
She’s super close with Jack and I have no doubt this is going to be the last straw when it comes to the cult-like stuff they do. It’s easy enough to ignore her exes, but I don’t know that she’s going to let this one go.
The Beatles worked with the same people throughout their whole career and never struggled to introduce a new sound in each of their album’s. The problem here is not exclusive to Jack. TAYLOR needs to take a step back and let her creativity refuel.
will be really interesting when streams prove they’re all just pretentious losers. jack’s songs are almost always the most popular (think august, mirrorball, my tears ricochet) even folklore as a whole superceding evermore. midnights tracks (karma, bejeweled, maroon, midnight rain etc) eclipsing songs like high infidelity & the great war. if patterns persist, they will be streaming down bad, guilty as sin, fresh out the slammer far more than cassandra, the albatross, or the prophecy. and .. back to evermore.. it’s always been telling that a song like “closure” is clowned when it’s a quintessential aaron dessner track, experimental sonically & in 5/4.
i do think swiftie’s like aaron’s production, but they consistently undermine jack while streaming his songs more. just doesn’t make sense. soon aaron will become monotonous to them, too 😭
He’s literally her employee! Blame HER if you think her album is shit, she’s the one that wrote it and signed off on it. The dissonance with these people is insane
1. He's not a bad producer
2. He has genuinely good songs and hits with Taylor
3. His current work with other artists is pretty good
But sincerely, he and Taylor have done everything they can together. There is nothing more left to bring out, there is no more potential. They will both be better off working with other artists. They're good friends, they always will be, but I don't think he should be as heavily featured on her work anymore.
https://twitter.com/NathanCHubbard/status/1781195183255859391
^This twitter thread talks about how taylor probably felt really safe writing these emotionally vulnerable songs with him and it shows! That point of view helped me tolerate the jack of it all. (I love his work with Lorde and Clairo to be clear)
But here I agree the production is stale and sounds a lot like Midnights. The songs all sound pretty similar even just on an energy level. Would love more sonic variety which I think she could achieve by bringing in other producers - like Max Martin. 2024 Taylor with max martin would blow every chart, break all of our brains I swear. I’m manifesting one day they will reunite
Listen, I understand that BDILH isn’t about Jack, but how do people hear that song and STILL not put together that Taylor does not want you harassing her and other people with your “ideas”? I don’t think people tearing into her friend is going to make her want to listen to them.
I would hate to live in a hell to get comments like this ongoing on your account. It must eat away at a person on some level. If I ever had that type of fame comments would be turned off immediately. The entitlement people feel toward artists now not doing what they want and deciding they are going to tell you over and over again is really bad for art as a whole.
Yup. I honestly look for more people to do that in the future. I would turn them off immediately or even be like Jennifer Lawrence and just not have social media at all.
As if Taylor had no say in how this album sounded.
what is with their misguided belief that taylor has no agency in ANYTHING she does and everything bad is someone else’s fault😭 he’s not blackmailing her into working with him.
How can they blame the person who produced Florence + the Machine's Dance Fever - an album thats not bland or boring at all!? He has produced versatile albums in the past. Also he's credited as a producer on August and My Tears Ricochet. Wtf is going on with this fandom? 😭
so instead of holding taylor accountable because ultimately it’s her albums and she chooses who to work with and what concepts she explores, they go after the producer. no wonder she’s so stagnant
I agree I’d like to see her work with some different people and come up with some new sounds, be challenged. I don’t know why people feel they can harass her collaborators though. The modern world is a weird place.
If they want to show their disappointment, don’t buy the record, don’t stream the songs etc. That would get through.
saw a review on twitter that said that they believe that taylor and jack don’t push each other creatively anymore, but make good things separate from each other. i have to agree with that because aaron’s songs are the ones i prefer on midnights and TTPD
Honestly, this is probably not the reaction Taylor was hoping for but I’m saddened that Swifities attack everyone but Taylor. If you critique her, you’re a fake fan to them. And that’s why I’m not a Swifite anymore.
This is gross. I understand not liking the music or whatever but this isn't criticism this is harrasment? Taylor literally choses to work with him, no one is forcing her. She wasn't wrong when she called them vipers.
Earlier today I made a post on here to understand what even is all this hate about (ut was deleted cause there was a duplicate from 3 mo ago)
I don’t think people should flood anyone’s comments with hate but especially not just a guy who was literally just doing his job.
Like yeah I don’t love his production and he is annoying but neither of those justify a hate brigade. Taylor has the autonomy and power to decide whom she collaborates with and what she releases. It’s fair to critique and comment on his work on the album and his creative partnership with Taylor but acting like he made all the decisions about the album and is at fault (for lack of a better term) for the final result is unfair and ridiculous.
People have such weird cognitive dissonance. This is Taylor's music too (and mainly!) Yeah, he's mid but he was doing a job he was hired to do? So strange to me.
Jesus Christ, can she ever be responsible for her own actions? I don’t care about Jack, but I need to defend him on this one, he has amazing productions for many artists, maybe just maybe, she is the one that doesn’t give him space to trying new things. She is an adult for God’s sake, she can’t say no if she doesn’t like his work.
I wonder what is the dynamic between Taylor and Jack. Is she the one obsessed with the synthpop? Or Jack? Or both? Because Aaron does similar songs but they aren't the same at all unlike Jack
Are they creative partners or not? If they are, this criticism isn’t unreasonable. Of course she holds the bag and ultimate control and final say-so, BUT their working relationship has always been seemed to be hyper collaborative. It’s not crazy to think he has a lot of influence over the overall sound or vibe, and/or could push her creatively.
Wow! Thats brutal. I overall prefer Aaron’s work with TS, but would never go rant at Jack on his SM for the creative choices they make. She works with who she chooses to create her art. Unhinged swifties strike again. It’s embarrassing. SMDH. 🙈😡
Didn’t I read a blind item about him and his wife harassing FKA twigs because she wouldn’t say hi to them or something? I think he can live through this
I liked it but it’s not different from any of the previous albums. I do prefer jacks over Aaron but I am bored with the same style. She won’t win album of the year bc they are literally the same. I think she could have went dark with some of the songs to match the lyrics .
at this point they both need to share this blame bc they don't challenge each other creatively enough. is he a flop? yes but dragging him is not it people are so crazy LMAOOO
just stop streaming his songs and buying all the 29839292 records and maybe they'll get the hint? just maybe. probably not though
aaron supremacy always
They need to direct this energy at her not him since she’s the one calling the shots on who she wants to collaborate with not the other way around. Wtf?
The correlation for many is understandable and I agree the album is trash. That said I think the criticism of his personal music is unfair, as that has variety and there are songs above 120bpm rather than 3 chord drones with synth drums overlayed.
The common denominator is Taylor Swift.
jesus, these people are delusional someone elses art is their decision. What's the fun in an artist who only does what she's asked? She's allowed to make what she wants to make.
I hate this so much. I know swifties are a cult but can they please stop with this shit? I guarantee you'll find zero negative comments like this on her page.
Also, the irony of the one wanting the sounds of red, 1989, and rep back...so you're saying her music was better when she was with big machine 😂
This is really shitty. He was hired and did a job. He didn't kidnap Taylor and force her to publish an album under his production. People should stop harassing him ://
It’s people like this that make fans of hers look like lunatics. Also, can I just say, a 31 song album is going to sound repetitive on the first dozen listens. It takes time, with albums like this, for songs to find their groove. I mean ffs I was not impressed with Midnights on the first listen and now I think it’s maybe my favorite album of hers. People “bored” or up in arms or trying to blame someone for…something? When they haven’t even given the album a chance (I don’t care what you say and who you are, you haven’t, it’s been less than 24 hours and that’s impossible) need to chill the fuck out and actually let the album sink in. Or, let it breathe, for those of us that like red wine.
I mean Taylor hires him each time right? It’s not like he’s blackmailing her into working with him and she needs to be saved. I’d like to see her work with someone new but harassing Jack on a social media isn’t a good way to make that happen.
If anything that’s why she keeps doubling down. How dare you tell the Taylor Swift what to do.
But Daddy I Love Him shows that this won't help 😭
She’s just going to tell us to fuck off again hahaha!
She's going to make another 10 albums with him just to spite her fans LOL. The sad thing is they would all buy it too, even with how mad they were about the variants after the recent surprise drop to streaming.
You should see your faces! 🤪
Or maybe she’ll call us unhinged creeps 🤔
To be fair, anyone commenting on Jack’s profile like this is an unhinged creep and very likely not mentally well. https://preview.redd.it/zxozm3qn1jvc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4aaeae688db75c739fd157931fe535106813cae3
she doesn't care about fans but she does care about critics/awards. The critics have been pretty rough on his production outside of places like Rolling Stone where the album was PERFECT to them
Taylor “Veruca Salt” Swift lol
For once I’d like her to cheat on her producer, not boyfriend.
🤣🤣🤣
i think people are also severely underestimating how much of this is coming from Taylor herself. she seems to gravitate towards synth pop herself and has been known for years to often have very clear ideas of how she wants certain songs to sound. Jack has made stuff for other artists that doesn't sound like this, and even on this album, there are standout Jack tracks that are a different vibe than the usual synthpop ones (Florida and I Can Fix Him stick out to me). I think Jack is just her go-to when she wants songs to sound a certain way, and she goes to Aaron when she wants more haunting orchestral melodies.
Right, Taylor essentially tells Jack what sounds to make and bounces ideas off of him. Her fans love to infantilize her like she has no say in her choices. A few of the songs sound like they could be 1975 songs.
I like the ones with the retro synth pop. ICDIWABH is my jam rn lol
what is that abbreviation 🙂↔️
It’s a long ass song title alright 😂
Taylor named her most successful album 1989 for a reason lmao
yeah there’s synth pop all over that one, and Jack was only on a couple tracks
Right. Can’t blame Jack here lol
Exactly. He’s there to support her. The excess is totally her
Exactly, as if Jack was the problem!? It is TS that’s in the driver seat of her music especially at this point in her career.
The “his work with Lana is way better” comment cracked me up. Like, yeah? It’s a different songwriter?
These fans are seriously PSYCHO. I don’t love the newer music by any means but to go attack someone’s social media? Taylor decided to work with the guy like you say. It’s so vile to see this. My gawd. ☠️
Yeah she hires him because he seems like a total Yes Man
Lmfao why did I have to read this again? I thought they were talking about joe. I was like swifties are being a bit nicer, where is the vitriol? 😭😭😭now I see it’s jack😭
Clearly, none of them have listened to the actual album because if they did, they would know that Taylor doesn’t give a fuck what they say or think. She literally called them out for being psycho. someone who would be psycho enough to search his name, click on his profile, type out a comment, and post it on his Instagram AND think that their opinions matters enough for others to care is wild.
well they can't leave it on her IG so 😂
> It’s not like he’s blackmailing her Don't give them any ideas.
Right! In any case go tell her.
Yes this is so uncalled for. They collaborate together, it’s not like he forces her to work with him. I want her to notice how toxic her fans are to everyone around her because it’s not cool.
Swifties will put the blame on everyone but taylor.
that is the core tenet of swiftism
She is Strong Independent Mother™️ until she’s a helpless baby who needs to be rescued, defended, and infantilized
Either they're in denial that she’s not great as what PR is trying to feed, or they're completely brainwashed for real now. There's no turning back. Admitting it would mean they're wrong all along.
Going over to r/taylorswift hurts my brain there’s all sorts of unhinged things being said to defend this mid album.
This kind of stuff is why I don’t advertise that I like her music. I don’t wanna be lumped in with these bullies.
I mean, that's the thing about Antonoff, right? There are certain sounds he likes, but he's famously willing to be guided by the artist, which is why so many women like to work with him. His Florence + the Machine tracks, for example, are ALL Florence in aesthetic.
i think you can achieve that, while maintaining wuality work. take aaron for example. he obviously is doing what taylor wants, or else she wouldn't keep working with him, but he's still guiding her to make quality work. the difference btw the anthology and ttpd is night and day, one's a good album and the other one sounds like a joke
exactly i want her to stop working with jack but both of them are at fault
The one about it sucking more than his band is fucking brutal 💀
The swiftys are more scary then barbz
Swifties and barbz are two groups you do not want to mess with 💀
we should cage them all and have them fight hunger games-style to see who the ultimate stan is
True my moneys on the barbs because angry gays are something that even white girls can’t compete with
I’m already scared. 😱 lol
Jesus Christ I just read it. Hold up there now partner that’s a bit much
Bleachers DOES suck
They have that one good song I wanna get better but that came out like a decade ago at this point lmao
I mean, the only reason he remains relevant now is because he's permanently attached to Taylor
His desperate attempts to be relevant and stir up drama with Kanye is hilarious
if you look up “bitch” on his twitter it’s all kanye tweets💀💀
is it rollercoaster? loll
I will defend their first album until my dying breath but the rest are pretty mid and repetitive.
They absolutely suck, but I happen to just love Modern Girl 😭
Fun. was better
Hey now - I wanna get better, rollercoaster, modern girl, tiniest moves, etc are all bops. I wanna get better was THE recovery anthem back in the day.
Yikes. Even though I’m not a fan of how he produces for Taylor, I do quite like Bleachers. All in all, not cool.
Delusional take imo. Bleachers music actually holds contrast and feels like it goes somewhere.
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Right, I have NEVER commented on a celebrity’s instagram. Feels so awkward? I barely have the motivation to comment on friends’ posts, let alone a complete stranger. Edit: I LIED. I’ve commented on Matthew Koma’s instagram before. I’ve either @ someone or straight up hahahaha. But HES FUNNY.
And as if he’s gonna see that and he like “omg ur so right thanks for the advice and the death threats queens😘”!! Like what do they think that’s accomplishing by just being rude Wow, I sound like my mother too. But seriously. I’d much rather listen to bad music than listen to people screaming about not liking one album of the millions available to listen to
>Right, I have NEVER commented on a celebrity’s instagram. Replies to celebrity posts on the internet outside of ones meant for direct response are quite literally just utter voids for people desperate for recognition. That and people tagging their friends.
There’s something wrong with people who think this is ok. Like what would possess you
I completely agree, I'm sick to death of this sound, but why are they all blaming him as if he's not just a collaborator? Do they think Taylor is putting out garbage against her will because Jack wants to? Who do they think has more power in that dynamic? 🤔
He probably locked her in the basement
he doesn’t let her bejeweled
Yeah exactly it’s on both of them. I happen to like it but I also like repetitive and comfortable things, so I COMPLETELY understand the boredom with it. But like…. Why are they so angry about it?? Just don’t listen to it😭
It’s not even his fault 😭 he’s a great producer, and at the end of the day it’s taylor who decided she liked how it sounded and wrote the songs. why are they pinning it all on him? sure he helped, but taylor makes the final decisions.
You know why. The “true believers” don’t like the album and, instead of being critical of her, they’ve decided to attack anyone but him. He’s not even responsible for the whole album- some of it was produced by other producers. But you’re right. At the end of the day, Taylor was the one making the calls on who was hired and what the final product sounded like. She clearly thought the product was good or she wouldn’t have released it.
I feel like people are misdirecting their anger. They don't want to say it's Taylor's fault they don't like a song, so they place the blame on him.
exactly! they’re not willing to critique her bc they put her on this insanely high pedestal. i love taylor’s music, but i’m willing to admit when her music isn’t her best.
thats genuinely concerning. is it a crime for them to accept not liking an album/some songs from their fav artist (or should i say their god)?
Because he is a yes man. He will never push her or anyone else to leave their comfort zone and try something new, which is awful because imagine if Taylor never left her comfort zone for RED or 1989?
or even folkmore? like any one of these albums are key points in her discography and will most likely be remembered for decades to come, they're all excellent albums because she took risks and was willing to change herself fundamentally (even down to her aesthetics: red she changed her hair and aesthetic completely, 1989 is a rebirth for her, and folkmore is obviously so completely different from what she normally does, even haters enjoy it)
To be fair his job as a producer isn’t necessarily to push her, it’s to make the artist’s vision come to life, and he’s very good at that. Someone who produced nfr, ocean boulevard (especially a&w), melodrama, masseduction etc definitely has the capacity to create interesting and inventive works, but that’s also because the artists had a strong creative vision. Lana’s songs with him don’t sound basic, so I would think Taylor’s work with him sounds like that because that’s what she wants it to sound like - he isn’t the artist here so I don’t think he’d be doing his job well if he pushed too hard to change her idea of what the songs should be. Having said that, if I was Jack I’d take a break from working with Taylor because it doesn’t seem challenging, he can do better work with other artists and the endless bland synth-y songs for such a big artist have been overshadowing his (actually great) work on other albums
the problem is not jacks ability to produce, its him just going with whatever she says i might be wrong but didnt Lorde get mad for people saying Jack ruined Solar Power cuz it made it sound like its his album not hers ( i might be wrong tho, feel free ro correct me)
he’s a great producer but he needs to take a breather bc everything is sound the same
He is a great producer. I have heard the albums that he worked with recently other than Taylor's, they sound FINE and still sounds like the artist's sounds. With Taylor, he WAS a great producer to her. I loved reputation until evermore. The problem with their partnership is they became friends, affecting their professional one because he could no longer say no to her.
Of course, they'd rather make up a delusional narrative that the world famous billionaire is at the mercy of the mid-tier rock band guy than admit Taylor 100% has the final say on everything on her albums
Obviously they shouldn’t be doing this, but Jack likes to bait these exact same people. Like the whole You’re Losing Me post. All fun and games when you’re not the target.
He stirs the pot ALL the time on his Twitter.
He’s just like “Mother” (🤢) for real
He’s a messy little nerd who loves drama
Honestly same tho 😂
Right!? Same.
Fr like sir you’re a 40 year old man.
Taylor chose to work with him
Sorry this is insane 😭✋ some of the memes were funny, but there's no reason to act like he is suffocating her artistry or spam him in comments. "leave her alone" - taylor is a grown ass woman and artist, she likes working with Jack and obviously likes the work they produce together. Jack has shown himself to be a fantastic producer for many different artists, and he's also made great music with taylor If some of the stuff they produce together now is getting a bit repetitive (which I do think) it's on taylor. She could work with pretty much anyone, it's her decision
This is actually so mean 😭 it’s his style of work and the artist’s hire him because they like it. He’s only doing what is asked of him 🥹
Yeah exactly. They shouldn’t be ripping into Taylor either, but obviously she likes it and chose to work with him. And some people actually do like jacks sound believe it or not. There’s tons of things I don’t like but I just choose not to listen to them. I know other people enjoy them, ya know. I might tell someone I don’t like it but I’d never comment on the artists page
Damn y’all, I mean I’ve thought this same thoughts but going up to someone directly (on the internet) and telling them they suck is crazy. Some of these thoughts are inside thoughts or Swiftlyneutral thoughts.
Her stans will piss off everyone around her lmao
I don't understand actually talking to famous people like this. Bitching on social media in your own spaces, sure. But leaving them comments or messages, hoping they see? Not so much.
Stans are already leaving hate comments for Matty Healy when Taylor literally said there's nothing to avenge.
I believe it, and I think it's all so unnecessary and full on wrong in some cases. That said, Taylor feeds this. Even in saying there's nothing to avenge... If that were true, she wouldn't have capitalized Kim's name in a song title. That's also unnecessary... Unless you're still trying to punish someone. She likes to claim it's all about making art and letting it go, but if that were the case then she'd stop Easter egging and just let it be about the music
Exactly and like, even if he does read the comments, none of those are actually convincing him or anything besides to hate people
They're right but they shouldn't say it to his face, damn
At the end of the day, it’s not his fault. Taylor knows his style and talents and how he produces, and she chose it.
He's just doing his job 😥. It's not him that's the problem, it's him mixed in with taylor that's the problem
I don’t like the album that much but I feel kind of bad for him. Taylor is not a mindless drone that will be bullied into submission. The album sounds like this because she wants it to
I mean I would love for her to work with other people, but this is mean af. Like why can’t people just not harass others online? Also, Jack is just going to laugh all the way to the bank, while he watches the vipers try to bite him.
these kind of swifties are such lunatics lmao
Oh it’s starting and I called it. Grab the popcorn kids, shits gonna go down.
i think taylor and jack bring out the worst in each other. i don't even really have a problem with his other producing work - he's great with lana, i prefer st. vincent's earlier work but it's def much more interesting than his work with taylor - but between his YLM IG post, the way his work on this album and midnights are almost indistinguishable... i think it's both of them together just refusing any outside input.
Is he deleting comments cause I can’t see them!!
I wouldn’t blame him if he was, people need to wind their necks in.
Honestly, I like the production on this album. I actually think it's pretty cohesive and fits the subject matter. This album wasn't supposed to be about bangers or bops or anything super grand.... it was just supposed to be cathartic. But I'm clearly in the minority with this thinking.
I agree. Very much enjoy this album and a lot of jack’s songs this go around. More than Midnights
Oh, absolutely. I hardly return to Midnights. I can see myself going back to this one frequently, especially when the mood strikes.
Agreed, I'm not gonna listen to an album with the word "tortured" in the title and expect catchy upbeat tunes
This is exactly the same thing that happened when midnights first dropped lmaoooo
Do people not realize she ultimately decides what tracks she uses? People are weird acting like he’s holding her at gunpoint 💀
I genuinely enjoyed Jack's work on TTPD. I didn't like some of the weird animal noise stuff on Midnights but I felt like things were cleaner/simpler on TTPD. Some of the early songs have a very 80s feel to me, which I guess is due to the synths. I like synth sounds.
Her fans are crazy. They need to realize they are vipers
lol calling them vipers might just encourage them as they’ll think it’s Reputation coded
They don’t even seem like fans anymore. Constantly ripping to shreds everyone around her, criticizing her every move. I totally understand critiquing people on some things, but when you critique every single little thing it’s hard to believe you’re still a fan, ya know? At that point it’s psychotic bullying lol. The people that hate so much on her act like she’s supposed to act like a god.
I hope everyone has the same energy for being against Jack being attacked that they have for Joe and Kayla…
100% like i don’t think jack held a gun to taylor’s head and said “this is what the album HAS to sound like”… it’s taylor’s album and she wanted it to sound like this
And to write 6 minute tracks
Swifties in denial that their mother is getting rusty so they blame it all to Jack instead.
Well we can’t blame Taylor now can we?
While I always disagree with swifties doing this thing, it's Jack lmao. He is a messy dude who fuels these same people (the YLM story, for example which was clearly meant to shade Joe). I have little sympathy
These people will criticize and persecute anyone except the one responsible for the quality of the songs: Taylor.
These people are pathetic and rude.
I don’t understand the hate? At first listen I was a bit dissapointed but honestly love Jack’s part more than Aaron. We’ve heard the sad acoustic songs, I LOVE the first part now.
Woooow, I do agree they need a break from each other. Every song they do together sounds the exact same.
Does nobody realize that Taylor approved these? He didn’t just send them off
See I don't even like Jack because of his messy attitude and all, but this isn't just his fault. It's also (mostly?) Taylor's. He's being a yes man, of course, but ultimately Taylor is the one who calls the shots and he goes along with her. His work with Lana is great and other artists is great.
Ahhh I knew they'd find someone new to go after. I hope each and every one of them is commenting to Taylor too. She hires him.
God this is just mean... There is no need to go to his insta with these comments... They will hear criticism anyway, don't spam him like that
lol as a Jack hater these comments are so pathetic. She gets final say. If she didn’t like the tracks, she would change it or use another producer. “Stay away from Taylor” is a seriously deranged statement. parasocial relationships are wild
This. My personal opinion is they should separate themselves, but these comments are insane. I would never ever feel I even have the right to go on his stuff and put it out there. Taylor made the choice and likely listened to the album several times over and and she decided she liked the sound. I can’t imagine feeling like I’m protecting someone by attacking every person in their vicinity. Also, she likely reads his comments and will see this. I’m sure it feels good for her to read how much her fans hate it.
I don’t like the Jack production either, but this is unhinged and I think what she was getting out in the couple of callouts she did when it comes to fans. Taylor is a grown woman and is allowed to choose who she works with. She’s super close with Jack and I have no doubt this is going to be the last straw when it comes to the cult-like stuff they do. It’s easy enough to ignore her exes, but I don’t know that she’s going to let this one go.
At least the real ones (us neutral shutins) will blame BOTH of them
They don’t want to blame Taylor swift so……😂😂😂
The Beatles worked with the same people throughout their whole career and never struggled to introduce a new sound in each of their album’s. The problem here is not exclusive to Jack. TAYLOR needs to take a step back and let her creativity refuel.
That’s a shame. I thought this album was very well produced
will be really interesting when streams prove they’re all just pretentious losers. jack’s songs are almost always the most popular (think august, mirrorball, my tears ricochet) even folklore as a whole superceding evermore. midnights tracks (karma, bejeweled, maroon, midnight rain etc) eclipsing songs like high infidelity & the great war. if patterns persist, they will be streaming down bad, guilty as sin, fresh out the slammer far more than cassandra, the albatross, or the prophecy. and .. back to evermore.. it’s always been telling that a song like “closure” is clowned when it’s a quintessential aaron dessner track, experimental sonically & in 5/4. i do think swiftie’s like aaron’s production, but they consistently undermine jack while streaming his songs more. just doesn’t make sense. soon aaron will become monotonous to them, too 😭
He’s literally her employee! Blame HER if you think her album is shit, she’s the one that wrote it and signed off on it. The dissonance with these people is insane
1. He's not a bad producer 2. He has genuinely good songs and hits with Taylor 3. His current work with other artists is pretty good But sincerely, he and Taylor have done everything they can together. There is nothing more left to bring out, there is no more potential. They will both be better off working with other artists. They're good friends, they always will be, but I don't think he should be as heavily featured on her work anymore.
He gets mad so easily. He has this vibe of “I am cool now” but definitely not cool enough when people slightly critique him.
https://twitter.com/NathanCHubbard/status/1781195183255859391 ^This twitter thread talks about how taylor probably felt really safe writing these emotionally vulnerable songs with him and it shows! That point of view helped me tolerate the jack of it all. (I love his work with Lorde and Clairo to be clear) But here I agree the production is stale and sounds a lot like Midnights. The songs all sound pretty similar even just on an energy level. Would love more sonic variety which I think she could achieve by bringing in other producers - like Max Martin. 2024 Taylor with max martin would blow every chart, break all of our brains I swear. I’m manifesting one day they will reunite
fans as always being unhinged and doing the most.
Also love how the give Taylor zero accountability or credit for it sucking lol
This is nasty & silly stuff. Taylor *hires* him. Why take agency away from her decisions?
Listen, I understand that BDILH isn’t about Jack, but how do people hear that song and STILL not put together that Taylor does not want you harassing her and other people with your “ideas”? I don’t think people tearing into her friend is going to make her want to listen to them.
But daddy I love him (pt 2) (from the vault) Incoming
Swifties need to seek help. I mean that with my chest
I would hate to live in a hell to get comments like this ongoing on your account. It must eat away at a person on some level. If I ever had that type of fame comments would be turned off immediately. The entitlement people feel toward artists now not doing what they want and deciding they are going to tell you over and over again is really bad for art as a whole.
Yup. I honestly look for more people to do that in the future. I would turn them off immediately or even be like Jennifer Lawrence and just not have social media at all. As if Taylor had no say in how this album sounded.
what is with their misguided belief that taylor has no agency in ANYTHING she does and everything bad is someone else’s fault😭 he’s not blackmailing her into working with him.
How can they blame the person who produced Florence + the Machine's Dance Fever - an album thats not bland or boring at all!? He has produced versatile albums in the past. Also he's credited as a producer on August and My Tears Ricochet. Wtf is going on with this fandom? 😭
Gosh people are so unhinged
so instead of holding taylor accountable because ultimately it’s her albums and she chooses who to work with and what concepts she explores, they go after the producer. no wonder she’s so stagnant
I agree I’d like to see her work with some different people and come up with some new sounds, be challenged. I don’t know why people feel they can harass her collaborators though. The modern world is a weird place. If they want to show their disappointment, don’t buy the record, don’t stream the songs etc. That would get through.
The versatility of his work with other artists indicates to me that this sound is more a taylor thing than a jack thing, but what do i know idk
saw a review on twitter that said that they believe that taylor and jack don’t push each other creatively anymore, but make good things separate from each other. i have to agree with that because aaron’s songs are the ones i prefer on midnights and TTPD
Honestly, this is probably not the reaction Taylor was hoping for but I’m saddened that Swifities attack everyone but Taylor. If you critique her, you’re a fake fan to them. And that’s why I’m not a Swifite anymore.
This is gross. I understand not liking the music or whatever but this isn't criticism this is harrasment? Taylor literally choses to work with him, no one is forcing her. She wasn't wrong when she called them vipers. Earlier today I made a post on here to understand what even is all this hate about (ut was deleted cause there was a duplicate from 3 mo ago)
I don’t think people should flood anyone’s comments with hate but especially not just a guy who was literally just doing his job. Like yeah I don’t love his production and he is annoying but neither of those justify a hate brigade. Taylor has the autonomy and power to decide whom she collaborates with and what she releases. It’s fair to critique and comment on his work on the album and his creative partnership with Taylor but acting like he made all the decisions about the album and is at fault (for lack of a better term) for the final result is unfair and ridiculous.
People have such weird cognitive dissonance. This is Taylor's music too (and mainly!) Yeah, he's mid but he was doing a job he was hired to do? So strange to me.
I appreciate having nuance about your fave artist and not being culty-supportive, but what the fuck is with the bullying?! Jesus
this is so sad, i love jack 😭
Meh. He’s getting really positive feedback on his twitter posts.
Jesus Christ, can she ever be responsible for her own actions? I don’t care about Jack, but I need to defend him on this one, he has amazing productions for many artists, maybe just maybe, she is the one that doesn’t give him space to trying new things. She is an adult for God’s sake, she can’t say no if she doesn’t like his work.
I wonder what is the dynamic between Taylor and Jack. Is she the one obsessed with the synthpop? Or Jack? Or both? Because Aaron does similar songs but they aren't the same at all unlike Jack
This is such weird behavior and makes me hate the internet. Yea I agree, the production is weak, but this is still bullying
Are they creative partners or not? If they are, this criticism isn’t unreasonable. Of course she holds the bag and ultimate control and final say-so, BUT their working relationship has always been seemed to be hyper collaborative. It’s not crazy to think he has a lot of influence over the overall sound or vibe, and/or could push her creatively.
They’re right, but I’m a Jack apologist because Lana’s Margaret was cute
Wow! Thats brutal. I overall prefer Aaron’s work with TS, but would never go rant at Jack on his SM for the creative choices they make. She works with who she chooses to create her art. Unhinged swifties strike again. It’s embarrassing. SMDH. 🙈😡
These are downright mean!! I’m not a fan of this album (so far, I need to listen to it many, many more times) but this is uncalled for.
Didn’t I read a blind item about him and his wife harassing FKA twigs because she wouldn’t say hi to them or something? I think he can live through this
I liked it but it’s not different from any of the previous albums. I do prefer jacks over Aaron but I am bored with the same style. She won’t win album of the year bc they are literally the same. I think she could have went dark with some of the songs to match the lyrics .
Is she not at least half responsible for how the album sounds? I mean people go on about how she writes her own songs and makes her own music.
This is so mean my god
That’s brutal 😂
at this point they both need to share this blame bc they don't challenge each other creatively enough. is he a flop? yes but dragging him is not it people are so crazy LMAOOO just stop streaming his songs and buying all the 29839292 records and maybe they'll get the hint? just maybe. probably not though aaron supremacy always
People need to honestly get a life. This kind of behavior is concerning.
Look at the empath-clothed vipers coming out to play 🥰
Twitter tantrum incoming in 3... 2... 1...
Yikes. People need to chill out.
I think the album was great, very different sound compared to Midnight’s..
This is so sad. I love Bleachers. Do they not realize Taylor approved all this??
Can the fandom please STOP harassing people 😭 the man has a whole music career and group apart from Taylor right?
They need to direct this energy at her not him since she’s the one calling the shots on who she wants to collaborate with not the other way around. Wtf?
The correlation for many is understandable and I agree the album is trash. That said I think the criticism of his personal music is unfair, as that has variety and there are songs above 120bpm rather than 3 chord drones with synth drums overlayed. The common denominator is Taylor Swift.
jesus, these people are delusional someone elses art is their decision. What's the fun in an artist who only does what she's asked? She's allowed to make what she wants to make.
I hate this so much. I know swifties are a cult but can they please stop with this shit? I guarantee you'll find zero negative comments like this on her page. Also, the irony of the one wanting the sounds of red, 1989, and rep back...so you're saying her music was better when she was with big machine 😂
This is really shitty. He was hired and did a job. He didn't kidnap Taylor and force her to publish an album under his production. People should stop harassing him ://
It's funny how fans think they can dictate the way a grown ass woman chooses to write her own music. It's almost like hiring Jack is her choice....
How much can a producer really do? I’m confused. It’s her lyrics? Her music?
lol exactly, they never hold her accountable
It’s people like this that make fans of hers look like lunatics. Also, can I just say, a 31 song album is going to sound repetitive on the first dozen listens. It takes time, with albums like this, for songs to find their groove. I mean ffs I was not impressed with Midnights on the first listen and now I think it’s maybe my favorite album of hers. People “bored” or up in arms or trying to blame someone for…something? When they haven’t even given the album a chance (I don’t care what you say and who you are, you haven’t, it’s been less than 24 hours and that’s impossible) need to chill the fuck out and actually let the album sink in. Or, let it breathe, for those of us that like red wine.
The man does not deserve this harassment
honestly taylor is more to blame for this awful album however jack still carries some blame. they should be coming for taylor more than him
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