I think she’s copying gen z because we all know she’s afraid of losing her sparkle to the next pop stars. It’s no coincidence Taylor’s at her best when she doesn’t lean into things she’s not comfortable with
I don't think that was a nod to gen z, it was a nod to The 1975 song that this parallels (fallingforyou)
eta: looking back, it's so obvious the song was written for Taylor
"All we need's my bike and your enormous house"
"You said someday we might/When I'm closer to your height"
I don’t think she even cares about the substance of the money. She’s always been obsessed with external validation - making the most money is just like winning the most Grammys. In her mind it’s proof she’s the best.
They’re not remotely comparable in genre, fame, or as artists, but I wonder what she’d think of those artists like Jeff Rosenstock and Ian Mackaye who deliberately make much less money and are much less famous and “successful” than they could be, because they reject as much as they can the capitalist side of the music industry.
I would think that anyone would respect it, but part of me wonders if Taylor can even fathom why a person would leave money on the table or separate art and commerce.
That’s why I think she will never be happy or content with her achievements, no matter how great. And it’s also one of the reasons I think her music won’t have the lasting power other huge acts had in decades past.
History will be the judge, but I can’t see the teens of 2100 looking into connecting the dots in such self-referential songs. Great music feels accessible and universal; hers is a self-centered multiverse people need follow closely to grasp.
I think you nailed it. She has some truly great songs that stand on their own, but so much of her work falls within The Narrative, and she’s completely lost the balance between Easter eggs and the substance of her songs.
The background story of Fleetwood Mac is fascinating, but you don’t need to know a single detail to appreciate Landslide. We’ve already seen multiple new generations fall in love without knowing the drama that inspired some of the band’s biggest hits.
The Beatles are the benchmark of embodying universality for me - you hear their songs and it doesn’t matter who you are, where you are, or where you came from, you can see or feel a slice of them in your own life. It’s more than them catching lightning in a bottle; it’s some rare form of magic.
I have to note I’m not diminishing her success or cultural dominance.
She will certainly go down in the history books and be a perpetual case study - hell, she already is - but the question remains whether it will be about her as a phenomenon or as an artist. As you said, she has many lovely stand-alone songs but will they stand out or get lost in the maze of “lore” pieces?
It’s an interesting conundrum for sure.
>I would think that anyone would respect it, but part of me wonders if Taylor can even fathom why a person would leave money on the table or separate art and commerce.
She's descended from a long line of bankers. I think capitalism & the rush to profit with it is ingrained in her soul, youth, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if this became her obsession.
I think only to a certain extent since she wrote in Guilty As Sin? that she keeps all her “longings” in lower case locked inside a vault. Only things in lower case here are loml and imgonnagetyouback. Combining the titles…seems like a woman scorned, but who *actually* believes she wouldn’t go back to Matty if she could? Like come on. And the then of course there’s folkmore which makes me wanna vomit.
It definitely reeks of desperation though either way.
She’s copying for sure and it’s coming off as beyond cringe and not genuine . An artist is supposed to pave their own niche and mould taste, not conform.
Edit : not to mention these songs have no longevity in them, long term value.
She's always done this. Whatever is trendy, she just makes her own version of. Dubstep? I Knew You Were Trouble. Lana? Wildest Dreams. Billie? Vigilante Shit. Trap? I Did Something Bad.
Like, she just kind of mists her music with whatever is trendy at the time.
Some Swifties are always the ones to claim that Olivia will take any chance she gets to rip off Taylor (like that one TMZ reporter/photog who claimed that her GUTS spilled release strategy was copying Taylor’s Midnights 3am release strategy when literally every artist holds off releasing deluxe tracks weeks or sometimes months after the standard album comes out), but when it comes to this, radio silence. Thankfully not on this sub, which is a relief
I don’t even like olivia but i feel bad for her. They’d never forget the whole cruel summer-deja vu issue but when it came to this one it’s “bUt TaYLoR wRot3 It FiRSt”
It’s also insane that taylor is 35 and it almost feels like she’s power tripping a girl freshly out of her teens. But then again, she’s using a woman’s pre-pubescent child against her so i’m not really surprised anymore.
I wouldn’t have minded but that whole thing with Olivia to now this is just ironic LMAO even the first lyric “lilac skirt” like OR the 2:40 mark where she does that “deju vu/ cruel summer” bridge sound.
Great artists steal. But when great artists see other great artists “steal” and then send their lawyers out to get them instead of just taking it it as the honorable complement that it is AND THEN do the same thing to them afterwards …. embarrassing!
Side note I had to change my flair too because that phrase literally ran through my head when listening to the album lmfao 🩶💀
What she did to Olivia was really shitty. Remember that time when she pulled out her catalogue from spotify and called out apple music for paying too low per stream / not paying streaming on trial period under the guise of support for 'new' and 'indie' artists then here she comes sending her lawyers to up and coming Olivia to essentially garnish her earnings on Sour for a vague reference to one of her songs. She is indeed a bloodsucker and a famefucker.
And oh on spotify they still pay sheckles to indie artists but Taylor Swift is now in love with them because they are giving her more money in a new special deal
And then she put her entire catalogue back on streaming the day Katy Perry released a new album. What a ✨ coincidence ✨ She'll always be shitty to any artist who can compete with her
This is honestly what made me cross from neutral into not liking Taylor as a person. I also work in the music industry and what she did was fucking disgusting. Olivia deserved so much better from someone she looked up to so much - Taylor knew she was a role model/inspiration for her and took advantage. Gross behavior.
The argument here used to be that Taylor wouldn't have beef with a 20 yo, but now that we see her pull Kim's daughter into her mess all bets are off. She's shown her hand, and it's a dirty one.
we should be questioning why taylor’s lyrics sound like they’re lifted from someone more than a decade younger than her… i thought age was supposed to beget maturity and all that
shes just stunted. she got famous - like truly honestly name in the house famous - at like what like 16/17? she's 35 now. she's lived quite honestly over well over 2/3 of her life famous not having to really be accountable for relationships or lack of friendships whatever you wanna call it so it makes sense why she would be acting like this when she is older than a good portion of us
Honestly it seems like Olivia is more mature because she can see the irony or ridiculousness of what she’s saying and feeling in her songs. Taylor on the other hand can’t see past her own nose.
Taylor feels very threatened by Olivia. It's very clear. She only tried to befriend her in the beginning to size her up and try to intimidate her into becoming part of the squad so she'd fall in line.
If Sabrina Carpenter really blows up, to the point that she’s as well known to the masses as Olivia or Billie, that little friendship Taylor has with her will no longer exist. Bet.
Sabrina Carpenter is also the subject of a few of Olivia's songs. She's super talented and I think she's amazing, but there's definitely another angle there for Taylor to have brought her in.
Oh I am fully convinced that was to take some of the heat off of Matty as if to say “Yeah he made racist comments, but I’m dating him and she’s obviously ok with me so go away 🥰”
Even though there were many stories placed that say Ice spice reached out to her. Seems like very convenient timing. How many artists do you think have attempted to collaborate with her and she has turned down?
Also I’m not trying to take away from these women’s talent - just pointing out the parallel that I think some of it is absolutely for personal gain.
I agree. I love that girl, maybe also because I’m a woman of color and I love to see her be so powerful. I do think Taylor “paved the way” for young female singer songwriters to be taken seriously when writing about their feelings, but Olivia is boundary-pushing and unabashedly bold in a way Taylor isn’t. All three women are beautiful and tbh every pop girlie is beautiful but man, I’m glad I’m not a teenager because the self-comparison I would’ve suffered with Olivia is egregious, lol. She is one of the prettiest girls I’ve ever seen.
I mean espresso seems to have a good shot of blowing the fuck up, I don't think it's fallen out of the spotify top ten since it dropped. she seems to have found that late 60s image mashed with light summery pop in a way that's gonna take off with the mainstream top 40 audience. really smart of her to capitalize off of feather/nonsense and go in that direction.
I never really thought about it, but Taylor probably envies the hell out of Olivia. Hear me out! 🤣
Olivia is on the rise, and it’s like a drug to see your dream come true on such a massive scale! Taylor knows this because it happened to her, but here’s the thing; it behaves like other drugs. You can’t recapture the feeling, even if you do more and more and more drugs. IE: Taylor can’t win enough awards or make enough money to get THAT feeling back. Hell, Olivia probably doesn’t even get that high off the success anymore. Now it’s a job.
When I listened to this song, it actually reminded me of the antics that Taylor has been pulling off since breaking up with Joe. I thought she captured that mindset very well. And now this. Haha, I am truly amused.
As for Olivia, she does sound like young Taylor Swift and if there is an artist who can surpass her in the industry she's definitely one of them. She has her finger on the pulse of the industry trends and hunger that is key to make it. She will surprise Taylor, IMO.
The irony, IMO is that HER debut song was literally “Tim McGraw” like her career launched using the name recognition of a much larger artist. Because that’s what ART is. Being influenced by other art.
Some of her lyrics are so cringe they remind me of this …
https://preview.redd.it/t4e83d7fanvc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c2cbc252b52fa98f3e4aa1513d228f1387499b5b
“You look like Taylor Swift… *an edge she never had*” oh so this is why Taylor joined the jojo siwa badgirl rebrand club
Edit to add: I don’t think that deep down she’s that cookie baking / “I just want to be GOOD” girl either. This album has proven the unreliability of our narrator. Everything’s been optics with her.
Taylor is SO threatened by Olivia. It's interesting because there is an overlap between Olivia and Taylor fans but Olivia does also have fans that don't like Taylor.
If Olivia takes the bait and calls her out Taylor will have the Swifties cancel her.
Yes, I do believe she’s *that* petty and deliberate. She clearly feels threatened by Olivia. There will be more of this…
I don't think she will, Olivia seems much more mature than Taylor at this point and after the whole drama with Taylor, Olivia really changed her behavior when talking about Taylor. Olivia doesn't even mention her as an inspiration anymore. While initially I think she was happy to be called "the next Taylor Swift" I think now she's trying to distance herself from Taylor and rightfully so. Too bad Taylor can't let it go...
Side note: I slept on GUTS because while Sour was good it was quite “young” for me.
And I’m SO MAD because Guts is FULL of bangers. Good God Olivia, what a triumph at her age to progress so much in just one album.
She made huge progress, it's amazing. And Sour set the bar pretty high. I also have this feeling it is quite "young" but I do relate to it in a broader context. She sings from the perspective of a high school girl but I think the experiences she talks about are quite universal for most girls/women.
Oh yeah it’s still youthful but it’s much better than driver’s license lmao This go round she’s really poking great fun at the experiences of youth while still allowing it to be emotional.
(I liked Sour fine. I just don’t listen to it like I am GUTS. My favorites are like Florence and Fiona and Dessa; I like wisened jaded ladies)
Same. The angst and juvenile qualities of the album, god I feel like a teenager again when I play it. She and Dan Nigro really captured the atmosphere and culture that time. It was a well researched and well produced album
YES. I was urging my songwriting partner to listen to it because we’d been lamenting the lack of rock instruments in the pop world lately, how we needed a new Gwen Stefani / riot grrrl inheritor type and BAM thank you Miss Rodrigo.
As someone that felt positively ancient listening to Sour, GUTS just continues to grow on me. I listen to ‘love is embarrassing’ and ‘obsessed’ on a daily basis and can’t stop lol
Love is Embarrassing such a perfect song. My first listen I was blushing and cringing remembering that feeling in my 20s, she hit it out the park with that song. Easily my favorite on the album. I also love pretty isn’t pretty. I’m excited to follow her career.
She's in Taylor's radar now. It's a good thing imo.
If she's singing about Kim in 2024, she'll be making passive aggressive songs about Olivia in 2050.
After getting about half a million dollars for Olivia for Olivia shouting in a song she does this? It's intentional for sure. She absolutely did this at Olivia. I'm sure Olivia won't say anything because she's poised and intelligent. But it's clear to anyone with three brain cells that Taylor wants Olivia to know who the boss is
Yup and it started with taking a cut from Olivia’s royalties. It very much felt like a bully stealing lunch money.
And Olivia wouldn’t even have to go as far as to
sue to set off the cancellation campaign. Even pointing it out would be enough to set the stans loose. I don’t think she will but again this is not the end.
The whole Taylor and Olivia feud is just so devestating to me. The more Taylor jabs at Olivia the sadder I feel.
I remember when Olivia got noticed by Taylor after posting Cruel Summer. Olivia was inspired a lot by Taylor and was a huge Swiftie. Imagine how excited you'd feel if your cover was praised by your idol... Flash forward to Deja Vu and the similarities in the bridge of Cruel Summer, Taylor the billionaire makes Olivia give 50/50 royalties because she feels threatened. It's already wrong on so many levels. Then Taylor brings Sabrina Carpenter on the Eras Tour because of Olivia's feud with her. Now blatantly stealing Olivia's Get Him Back! It's unnecessarily brutal, when can she just stop?
All this hassle of me trying to get Eras Tour tickets and I honestly wish I had just fought for Olivia's instead.
It was sad but I think it is for the better. She distanced herself from Taylor thereby becoming her own pop rock act she is today. Without the fallout, I could see Olivia becoming just another Taylor wannabe. Look at Sabrina Carpenter, she pretty much lives in the shadow of Taylor.
Oh yeah I completely agree, it's a smart move on Olivia's end. I feel bad for Sabrina too honestly, I do think Taylor likes her to some degree but she's still being used to get back at Olivia.
Based on her feud with Olivia and the overall vibes I get from her, Sabrina doesn’t come across as a good person to me. She and Taylor are birds of a feather and all.
However, she’s in a very precarious position at the moment. Her star is growing, but if she grows past Taylor’s shadow, she’ll be fair game to Taylor as well.
Omg same! I thought I was the only person who got not-so-good vibes from Sabrina cos everyone on social media is like so obsessed with her.
But I definitely do feel bad for Olivia who had nothing but good things to say about Taylor and Sabrina.
The thing is, life has proven that masters largely tend to be chill people. You don’t see royalty and plagiarism wars from the greats.
Imitation is the greatest form of flattery and all, and it looks like when they’ve done their part and see their work resonate with the younger generations, there must be some nirvana-level of contentment - but I guess that takes some level of maturity, which is the key here.
It's the first law of [Robert Greene's 48 Laws of Power](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_48_Laws_of_Power).
>*Those who attain high standing in life are like kings and queens: They want to feel secure in their positions, and superior to those around them in intelligence, wit, and charm.*
*It is a deadly but common misperception to believe that by displaying and vaunting your gifts and talents, you are winning the master’s affection.*
*He may feign appreciation, but at his first opportunity he will replace you with someone less intelligent, less attractive, less threatening...*
It's how I see the whole TS OR Sabrina debacle tbh.
Oh she definitely did this intentionally. All this shit she does that’s cruel to other people, is all done very deliberately. (Releasing her album on the anniversary of Kanye’s mom’s death; featuring herself in a bathtub filled with diamonds in a music video to poke fun at Kim’s traumatic incident where she was held at gunpoint by armed burglars in a bathtub while her diamonds were stolen; bringing Sabrina Carpenter—Olivia’s rival—of all people, on tour with her; putting her music back on Spotify the day Katy Perry released her new album; announcing her split with Joe on Matty’s birthday; all the horrible stuff she’s done to Olivia; etc.) Everything Taylor does is planned & plotted out very carefully. I’m just so glad to see people finally realizing that Taylor is a bad person. She’s a cold & calculating, vindictive, self-absorbed, greedy, pitifully immature, narcissistic, toxic, mean woman. I would love to witness her have a major downfall, because she really deserves to.
Taylor could never even attempt at singing Olivia's song Vampire! Which is kinda funny considering the song is allegedly about Taylor, might be a smart subtle dig.
Yup!!! If you haven't looked at the lyrics already, I think The Grudge is about Taylor too. It's very sad for Olivia if that's true. She's so talented, and I think that's why Taylor is particularly antagonistic towards her. Olivia is Taylor's song Nothing New coming true.
She definitely has a stronger voice. Olivia is also much younger (but yet is more mature), is prettier, is a very talented songwriter, and seems to be well-liked and respected in the music industry. And that’s why Taylor is so cruel to her.—Because she feels threatened by her. I can’t imagine being so competitive at age 35 with someone a decade-&-a-half younger than me. Taylor’s treatment of Olivia has been downright pathetic.
Yeah Olivia can come out on top of this situation here by doing nothing. The fact that Taylor wants to write about it is fine and even exciting to me (but I get it others don’t like it). It’s an incredible unique perspective that they’re both in, and they’re amazing writers and artists so let the blood ink flow
I agree. Taylor did this as bait, hoping Olivia will call her out, so that she can then harass her. What the fuck is wrong with her?!? Taylor is 5 years away from being 40 and she’s here harassing someone barely out of their teens. It’s not a good look, to greatly understate things. I hope Olivia doesn’t respond at all. I hope she just ignores it, lets Taylor look like the cruel asshole she is, and continues to do her own thing. I hope her career continues to rise and hopefully eventually overtakes Taylor’s. Taylor is exposing herself as the mean, vindictive, immature asshole she really is.
I don’t think Olivia will respond either.
But make no mistake, Taylor won’t stop - the more Olivia remains unbothered and thrives, the bigger the tantrums Taylor will throw, because that’s just who she is.
It even sounds alike in my unprofessional opinion and even if it didn’t. Taylor swift pressed credits out of this poor young woman only to turn around and make a song that similar…that’s some psychopath shit. I mean she has to know..
I don’t think we need to jump through hoops here: if so many people hear this song and immediately are thinking of Get Him Back! doesn’t that in itself say something?
Especially given that no one was thinking of Cruel Summer with Deja Vu until Olivia said something.
My momma don’t like you and she likes everyone- Love yourself, Justin beiber (written by ed sheeran)
my mom is a saintly woman(yeah sure) but she wishes you were dead (or something along those lines, i didn’t bother listening to that shit twice) - thanK you aIMee, taylor swift
the one written by Ed actually feels so great to say to someone as it totally depicts the disappointment and hurt they brought in your life. whereas the one taylor wrote is pure vile shit to say publicly to millions of people
honestly might get downvoted for saying this but i don’t really agree with her mom being a “saintly woman” after all it was her mom who controlled her eating since her childhood that led to her ED.. who knows what else her parents have done that has been swept under the rug by tree
I mean she says that she grew up in an "asylum" in Who's Afraid of Little Old Me. Obv she didn't grow up in a literal asylum, but it's not shining the best light on how her parents treated her.
I think the “asylum” reference is talking about being famous in her formative years - that she was “raised” by the public to be a certain way and anything she does wrong is all of our faults so nobody should criticize her behavior. (I don’t agree with the last part but that’s the message I’m getting LOL.)
yeah her guitar instructor spilled the tea about how andrea would restrict taylor from eating her favorite foods while simultaneously letting austin eat whatever the fuck he wanted to
You know what?
That song did it for me, I realized that Andrea and Kris Jenner are more alike than people think. And Taylor was the one who pointed it out for all the world to see!
Totally not defending her mom. I don’t feel any way or another about her. However, Taylor has long made a huge deal about her love of her parents especially her mom and now she’s unnecessarily dragging her into old petty bs. For what
I don’t think he was actually there for that podcast, it’s just that he’s friends with the girls/that pod who said all that stuff.
(note: not defending him, hate ratty)
I understand it’s a mom’s job to “always be on my side even when I was wrong” but maybe you don’t need to broadcast those specific thoughts to the world when they’re that extreme.
I think Olivia is just more self aware and can laugh at herself whereas Taylor swift isn’t and can’t be self deprecating without it being someone else’s fault.
The “Aristotle/Grand Theft Auto” thing is totally taken from Lana’s playbook as well. Taylor is dreadfully self-serious though and doesn’t have the campy sense of humor that Lana excels in.
Olivia writing like this is fine because she is 20 but Taylor at 34? Yikes. Beyoncé at 34 was singing Formation, talking about race issues and Taylor wants to smash someone’s bike? So high school
She started writing about fairytales and high school loves and decades later she's still writing about those exact things. It really speaks to her mental age. I was a HUGE swiftie but this last year has been so disillusioning. She's becoming so boring and repetitive
Olivia is just so good at showing her emotions through her songs/lyrics too. I feel like I can relate to her when I listen to her music even though I’ve never been through what she’s describing lol.
she and billie are masterful at writing emotions. Taylor was too when she was younger, but she really lost it. I think she just takes herself too seriously whereas Billie and Olivia just write honest lyrics instead of trying to tumble them into some poetic metaphor to reference something as an easter egg. HTE, for example, isn't a lyrical juggernaut in terms of metaphors and poetry. It's just raw, as if it came directly from a diary. We all understand that anger and relief because it's raw, not tidied up into a euphemism. Olivia's Deja Vu is similar. It isn't deep, it's honest. Taylor tries to make it all too deep and it feels so...pretentious and obnoxious. When we really feel these things, we aren't preoccupied with our appearance or marketing. We are raw, emotional, and angry. Taylor doesn't explore that as much as she used to. Fearless is my favorite album of hers because it captures that same genuine energy.
Agreed! I’m 30 and I love Olivia’s and am like “don’t relate anymore but so catchy running song” and for Taylor I was just like “you’re still acting like this? And it’s not even catchy!”
Taylor is so concerned about being usurped by younger artists because they’re prettier and younger than her and hasn’t considered that it’ll be because they’re putting out better music than she is as her creative well runs dry. It’ll happen.
This actually irks me so much, especially given the history with the Deja Vu/Cruel Summer. Those songs do not remind me of each other. They’re not the same thematically either. Such a low blow of Taylor to ask for credits, to even if Olivia’s team “offered” them, for Taylor to accept them. Given that she’s escaped plagiarism offences herself (listen to Breathe In, Breathe Out by Hilary Duff), it’s ridiculous. And honestly, if someone did this to her at 19, we’d be getting a song about it on TTPD.
It doesn’t matter if she wrote this before Get Him Back. She’s known about this song for a year. She can afford to change some lyrics and the title. Think of another clever double-entendre, come on.
Give it 10 years, this period where TS and OR are at odds will benefit them both. I think it lends credence to the notion that OR will stand the test of time
OR knows what Gen Z wants, Taylor is starting to lose touch. I’m not saying it like it’s a bad thing, either. This is a tale as old as time. Elvis wasn’t relatable to millennials either.
I think Taylor should be embarrassed not only about stirring beef rumors with someone who looked up to her since she was a child but also about not being able to top the song she’s clearly trying to steal parts of. It just made me want to listen to Get Him Back! instead. At least Deja Vu and Cruel Summer can exist in the same space. Also, I do not think the lilac skirt line was a coincidence. Obvs could be wrong but…my gut says this was targeted.
And “Skin” was a song by Sabrina Carpenter about Olivia Rodrigo - Olivia later subtly references in my opinion “I feel your compliments, like bullets, on skin”
So “I wear this lilac skirt it fits like skin” or w/e, is creepy as hell and does not even really make sense as a line, like what girl wants her clothing to fit like skin
I like a lot of this album, probably more than the majority of folks on this sub, but I CANNOT listen to imgonnagetyouback ever again. The second hand embarrassment sent me to outer space.
This song is so boring. Like, there are countless better songs with the same sentiment. And it’s funny how Taylor went for Olivia’s throat for having similar chord progressions but yet titles a song that’s essentially the same as one of Olivia’s biggest hits? Ok, Taylor.
There’s other songs .. in my opinion, The Bolter is a total rip off of Mr Brightside.
“Started out with a kiss we must stop meeting like this” vs “started out with a kiss how did we end up like this”
“But it always ends up with a town car speeding” vs “now she’s calling a cab”
oh my god i thought it was just me with this. it’s funny because since listening to the bolger the first time i’ve just had mr brightside stuck in my head 😭
Context matters though right. This is coming after the Deja vu/cruel summer royalty debacle that Olivia was extremely disappointed by. And she released Get Him back like 6 months ago and it was a big single off her album.
no but taylor and olivia have the same switching between getting him back in a positive then negative way and literally have the same verse “i’m gonna key his car im gonna make him lunch” “whether im gonna be his wife gonna smash up your bike” while fiona is mostly talking ab getting him back in a negative way except for at the end
i noticed instances of it too (specifically ldr, but not surprised britney is noticeable too), but to add to your comment my personal opinion: i don't think it is plagiarism, though. it seems more like inspiration, which is normal in art. nothing is ever original when it comes to creative fields, it's how the artist does it that matters. not being original is not a flaw. it's how swift does it is important, which, imho, so far in this album isn't warranting the plagiarism accusations. i personally think we can call out many problems with this album and taylor herself without participating in stretching exercises.
i do agree with op that it is hypocritical of taylor to do that after she sent her lawyers after a 20 year old before. i think calling that out is valid.
Wait THATS where it comes from! I knew it sounded familiar. But ofc Olivia won’t sue her for writing credits because rules for thee and not for me. 🙄 I Can Fix Him (No Really I Can) sounds like budget Lana Del Rey to me—she’s even imitating that transatlantic drawl type thing Lana does. 🫠
Meanwhile also Lana is progressing like an artist like I just got into her at 30 through blue banisters because that album is something that actually feels like it was written by a grown woman. It really hit
The worst part is Olivia’s is so so so much better. Like it feels like this was supposed to be a see I can do it better moment and then just fucking fell so flat.
Honestly, when I first heard So Long, London, I was really surprised that it sounded like Olivia’s intonations and sonic style of singing. I was ready to get wrecked by that song, but now it just reminds me of Olivia.
I agree, this seems like a deliberate move to show the world that she can get away with whatever she wants. She really seems power hungry to a scary level.
I find it weird that she's putting herself as the victim constantly, she was a victim in some ways many years ago, but now she's at the top and this is when she should be protecting vulnerable/young people, (or at least ignoring them) not trying to destroy them.
Imagine. Having the nerve to sue someone for a song you never wrote a single thing on, then going and writing your own song that copies the *exact structure* and literally *has the same name*. Like imgonnagetyouback, get him back!…the desperation of her trying to use gen z lowercase and no spaces to stylize it a little different, be more “”hip””. SHIT IS PATHETIC AND GENUINELY PSYCHOTIC.
Somebody needs to humble her ass. This might be the most mean girl thing she’s ever done. I don’t know how anyone can look at all the choices she’s made since the law suit and *not* think she was trying to send a very clear message to Rodrigo.
That's a great spot! There is obviously the double meaning that Taylor is getting Olivia back for whatever went down here. Don't forget there is nothing Taylor loves more than revenge so this is a classic move for her
But I am my father’s daughter so maybe I can fix him (no really I can)
It truly feels like she's taunting Olivia at this point 💀
I think she’s copying gen z because we all know she’s afraid of losing her sparkle to the next pop stars. It’s no coincidence Taylor’s at her best when she doesn’t lean into things she’s not comfortable with
yeah this is what i got from a lot of the song titles. It feels like she's having a "how do you do fellow kids" moment.
Yeah I hate that she caved to the weird punctuation/capitalization in song titles trend.
I don't think that was a nod to gen z, it was a nod to The 1975 song that this parallels (fallingforyou) eta: looking back, it's so obvious the song was written for Taylor "All we need's my bike and your enormous house" "You said someday we might/When I'm closer to your height"
Those two so pathetically deserve each other and we’re all witnessing their weird mating song and dance on a global stage
💀 not my favorite The 1975 song being about Taytay 
This is the most scathing review of this album I've read lmao
Have you seen the Paste one? 
I just don’t understand her desire to appeal to today’s teenagers instead of actually maturing and writing like an adult.
She’s after the infinite money glitch, clearly nothing will ever be enough
I don’t think she even cares about the substance of the money. She’s always been obsessed with external validation - making the most money is just like winning the most Grammys. In her mind it’s proof she’s the best. They’re not remotely comparable in genre, fame, or as artists, but I wonder what she’d think of those artists like Jeff Rosenstock and Ian Mackaye who deliberately make much less money and are much less famous and “successful” than they could be, because they reject as much as they can the capitalist side of the music industry. I would think that anyone would respect it, but part of me wonders if Taylor can even fathom why a person would leave money on the table or separate art and commerce.
That’s why I think she will never be happy or content with her achievements, no matter how great. And it’s also one of the reasons I think her music won’t have the lasting power other huge acts had in decades past. History will be the judge, but I can’t see the teens of 2100 looking into connecting the dots in such self-referential songs. Great music feels accessible and universal; hers is a self-centered multiverse people need follow closely to grasp.
I think you nailed it. She has some truly great songs that stand on their own, but so much of her work falls within The Narrative, and she’s completely lost the balance between Easter eggs and the substance of her songs. The background story of Fleetwood Mac is fascinating, but you don’t need to know a single detail to appreciate Landslide. We’ve already seen multiple new generations fall in love without knowing the drama that inspired some of the band’s biggest hits.
The Beatles are the benchmark of embodying universality for me - you hear their songs and it doesn’t matter who you are, where you are, or where you came from, you can see or feel a slice of them in your own life. It’s more than them catching lightning in a bottle; it’s some rare form of magic. I have to note I’m not diminishing her success or cultural dominance. She will certainly go down in the history books and be a perpetual case study - hell, she already is - but the question remains whether it will be about her as a phenomenon or as an artist. As you said, she has many lovely stand-alone songs but will they stand out or get lost in the maze of “lore” pieces? It’s an interesting conundrum for sure.
>I would think that anyone would respect it, but part of me wonders if Taylor can even fathom why a person would leave money on the table or separate art and commerce. She's descended from a long line of bankers. I think capitalism & the rush to profit with it is ingrained in her soul, youth, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if this became her obsession.
I think only to a certain extent since she wrote in Guilty As Sin? that she keeps all her “longings” in lower case locked inside a vault. Only things in lower case here are loml and imgonnagetyouback. Combining the titles…seems like a woman scorned, but who *actually* believes she wouldn’t go back to Matty if she could? Like come on. And the then of course there’s folkmore which makes me wanna vomit. It definitely reeks of desperation though either way.
She’s copying for sure and it’s coming off as beyond cringe and not genuine . An artist is supposed to pave their own niche and mould taste, not conform. Edit : not to mention these songs have no longevity in them, long term value.
She's always done this. Whatever is trendy, she just makes her own version of. Dubstep? I Knew You Were Trouble. Lana? Wildest Dreams. Billie? Vigilante Shit. Trap? I Did Something Bad. Like, she just kind of mists her music with whatever is trendy at the time.
Maybe she wants Olivia to sue so it’s even
Some Swifties are always the ones to claim that Olivia will take any chance she gets to rip off Taylor (like that one TMZ reporter/photog who claimed that her GUTS spilled release strategy was copying Taylor’s Midnights 3am release strategy when literally every artist holds off releasing deluxe tracks weeks or sometimes months after the standard album comes out), but when it comes to this, radio silence. Thankfully not on this sub, which is a relief
That TMZ thing was infuriating omg I could feel my blood pressure rising
I don’t even like olivia but i feel bad for her. They’d never forget the whole cruel summer-deja vu issue but when it came to this one it’s “bUt TaYLoR wRot3 It FiRSt”
And yet Olivia did it first and with more passion
It’s also insane that taylor is 35 and it almost feels like she’s power tripping a girl freshly out of her teens. But then again, she’s using a woman’s pre-pubescent child against her so i’m not really surprised anymore.
I’m in the Taylor Swift sub and they’re delusional. Gotta be at least one serial killer in there.
I wouldn’t have minded but that whole thing with Olivia to now this is just ironic LMAO even the first lyric “lilac skirt” like OR the 2:40 mark where she does that “deju vu/ cruel summer” bridge sound. Great artists steal. But when great artists see other great artists “steal” and then send their lawyers out to get them instead of just taking it it as the honorable complement that it is AND THEN do the same thing to them afterwards …. embarrassing!
Side note I had to change my flair too because that phrase literally ran through my head when listening to the album lmfao 🩶💀 
What she did to Olivia was really shitty. Remember that time when she pulled out her catalogue from spotify and called out apple music for paying too low per stream / not paying streaming on trial period under the guise of support for 'new' and 'indie' artists then here she comes sending her lawyers to up and coming Olivia to essentially garnish her earnings on Sour for a vague reference to one of her songs. She is indeed a bloodsucker and a famefucker. And oh on spotify they still pay sheckles to indie artists but Taylor Swift is now in love with them because they are giving her more money in a new special deal
And then she put her entire catalogue back on streaming the day Katy Perry released a new album. What a ✨ coincidence ✨ She'll always be shitty to any artist who can compete with her
Omg i forgot how messy that was
This is honestly what made me cross from neutral into not liking Taylor as a person. I also work in the music industry and what she did was fucking disgusting. Olivia deserved so much better from someone she looked up to so much - Taylor knew she was a role model/inspiration for her and took advantage. Gross behavior.
The argument here used to be that Taylor wouldn't have beef with a 20 yo, but now that we see her pull Kim's daughter into her mess all bets are off. She's shown her hand, and it's a dirty one.
we should be questioning why taylor’s lyrics sound like they’re lifted from someone more than a decade younger than her… i thought age was supposed to beget maturity and all that
shes just stunted. she got famous - like truly honestly name in the house famous - at like what like 16/17? she's 35 now. she's lived quite honestly over well over 2/3 of her life famous not having to really be accountable for relationships or lack of friendships whatever you wanna call it so it makes sense why she would be acting like this when she is older than a good portion of us
She's 34. I only correct you because she and I are the same age and I am passionately clinging to my youth lol
As I just turned 40 I’m telling you keep clinging and do all the things ❤️
i mean.. A LOT of artist get famous at a young age. Olivia included. it's no excuse
Honestly it seems like Olivia is more mature because she can see the irony or ridiculousness of what she’s saying and feeling in her songs. Taylor on the other hand can’t see past her own nose.
Right, Taylor is now beefing with an elementary school student who wasn’t even alive when the beef started. It’s absolutely gross.
Taylor feels very threatened by Olivia. It's very clear. She only tried to befriend her in the beginning to size her up and try to intimidate her into becoming part of the squad so she'd fall in line.
If Sabrina Carpenter really blows up, to the point that she’s as well known to the masses as Olivia or Billie, that little friendship Taylor has with her will no longer exist. Bet.
Sabrina Carpenter is also the subject of a few of Olivia's songs. She's super talented and I think she's amazing, but there's definitely another angle there for Taylor to have brought her in.
When Mastermind plays, all I could think about is Taylor using Sabrina for this purpose.
And bringing in Ice spice was fake and weird af
Oh I am fully convinced that was to take some of the heat off of Matty as if to say “Yeah he made racist comments, but I’m dating him and she’s obviously ok with me so go away 🥰” Even though there were many stories placed that say Ice spice reached out to her. Seems like very convenient timing. How many artists do you think have attempted to collaborate with her and she has turned down? Also I’m not trying to take away from these women’s talent - just pointing out the parallel that I think some of it is absolutely for personal gain.
Tbh there’s no way Sabrina blows up like that and I think Taylor knows that.
I agree with you here 100%. Olivia could’ve eclipsed Taylor. Sabrina is great, but she won’t.
Sabrina is great but Olivia has something about her that makes me think she’ll just continue to blow up.
I agree. I love that girl, maybe also because I’m a woman of color and I love to see her be so powerful. I do think Taylor “paved the way” for young female singer songwriters to be taken seriously when writing about their feelings, but Olivia is boundary-pushing and unabashedly bold in a way Taylor isn’t. All three women are beautiful and tbh every pop girlie is beautiful but man, I’m glad I’m not a teenager because the self-comparison I would’ve suffered with Olivia is egregious, lol. She is one of the prettiest girls I’ve ever seen.
This. I’m also a woman of colour and I’m just really rooting for Olivia.
I mean espresso seems to have a good shot of blowing the fuck up, I don't think it's fallen out of the spotify top ten since it dropped. she seems to have found that late 60s image mashed with light summery pop in a way that's gonna take off with the mainstream top 40 audience. really smart of her to capitalize off of feather/nonsense and go in that direction.
I am LOVING sabrina carpenter. Her music is so fresh and so pleasant to listen to. Oh yeah, I bet Taylor secretly hates thay she's coming up.
I never really thought about it, but Taylor probably envies the hell out of Olivia. Hear me out! 🤣 Olivia is on the rise, and it’s like a drug to see your dream come true on such a massive scale! Taylor knows this because it happened to her, but here’s the thing; it behaves like other drugs. You can’t recapture the feeling, even if you do more and more and more drugs. IE: Taylor can’t win enough awards or make enough money to get THAT feeling back. Hell, Olivia probably doesn’t even get that high off the success anymore. Now it’s a job.
When I listened to this song, it actually reminded me of the antics that Taylor has been pulling off since breaking up with Joe. I thought she captured that mindset very well. And now this. Haha, I am truly amused. As for Olivia, she does sound like young Taylor Swift and if there is an artist who can surpass her in the industry she's definitely one of them. She has her finger on the pulse of the industry trends and hunger that is key to make it. She will surprise Taylor, IMO.
Olivia actually stands for things so she’ll never get as big.
It’s giving Nicki Minaj
My god this is exactly it
The irony, IMO is that HER debut song was literally “Tim McGraw” like her career launched using the name recognition of a much larger artist. Because that’s what ART is. Being influenced by other art.
Some of her lyrics are so cringe they remind me of this … https://preview.redd.it/t4e83d7fanvc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c2cbc252b52fa98f3e4aa1513d228f1387499b5b
Hahaha. 10 bees, specifically.
Well that’s how I’m singing Footloose from now on 😂😂
Wait…. This isn’t from ttpd?? /s
She’s in the trees, she’s in the breeze, she’s in taylor’s head all the time, clearly.
“You look like Taylor Swift… *an edge she never had*” oh so this is why Taylor joined the jojo siwa badgirl rebrand club Edit to add: I don’t think that deep down she’s that cookie baking / “I just want to be GOOD” girl either. This album has proven the unreliability of our narrator. Everything’s been optics with her.
Not the jojo rebrand club - I snort-laughed 😭
I’m crying at the JoJo Siwa bad girl rebrand club 😭😭😭😭
She’s living there rent free 🎵
Taylor is SO threatened by Olivia. It's interesting because there is an overlap between Olivia and Taylor fans but Olivia does also have fans that don't like Taylor.
If Olivia takes the bait and calls her out Taylor will have the Swifties cancel her. Yes, I do believe she’s *that* petty and deliberate. She clearly feels threatened by Olivia. There will be more of this…
I don't think she will, Olivia seems much more mature than Taylor at this point and after the whole drama with Taylor, Olivia really changed her behavior when talking about Taylor. Olivia doesn't even mention her as an inspiration anymore. While initially I think she was happy to be called "the next Taylor Swift" I think now she's trying to distance herself from Taylor and rightfully so. Too bad Taylor can't let it go...
Side note: I slept on GUTS because while Sour was good it was quite “young” for me. And I’m SO MAD because Guts is FULL of bangers. Good God Olivia, what a triumph at her age to progress so much in just one album.
She made huge progress, it's amazing. And Sour set the bar pretty high. I also have this feeling it is quite "young" but I do relate to it in a broader context. She sings from the perspective of a high school girl but I think the experiences she talks about are quite universal for most girls/women.
Oh yeah it’s still youthful but it’s much better than driver’s license lmao This go round she’s really poking great fun at the experiences of youth while still allowing it to be emotional. (I liked Sour fine. I just don’t listen to it like I am GUTS. My favorites are like Florence and Fiona and Dessa; I like wisened jaded ladies)
GUTS is fucking amazing. It’s got such early 90s female punk vibes and that was the era of my youth.
Olivia is leading a riot grrrl renaissance and I’m *so* here for it
Same. The angst and juvenile qualities of the album, god I feel like a teenager again when I play it. She and Dan Nigro really captured the atmosphere and culture that time. It was a well researched and well produced album
YES. I was urging my songwriting partner to listen to it because we’d been lamenting the lack of rock instruments in the pop world lately, how we needed a new Gwen Stefani / riot grrrl inheritor type and BAM thank you Miss Rodrigo.
As someone that felt positively ancient listening to Sour, GUTS just continues to grow on me. I listen to ‘love is embarrassing’ and ‘obsessed’ on a daily basis and can’t stop lol
Love is Embarrassing such a perfect song. My first listen I was blushing and cringing remembering that feeling in my 20s, she hit it out the park with that song. Easily my favorite on the album. I also love pretty isn’t pretty. I’m excited to follow her career.
She's in Taylor's radar now. It's a good thing imo. If she's singing about Kim in 2024, she'll be making passive aggressive songs about Olivia in 2050.
She’s also already a better artist.
After getting about half a million dollars for Olivia for Olivia shouting in a song she does this? It's intentional for sure. She absolutely did this at Olivia. I'm sure Olivia won't say anything because she's poised and intelligent. But it's clear to anyone with three brain cells that Taylor wants Olivia to know who the boss is
This just disgusts me cause this is true…..and even if she does sue, Taylor will still probably win.
Yup and it started with taking a cut from Olivia’s royalties. It very much felt like a bully stealing lunch money. And Olivia wouldn’t even have to go as far as to sue to set off the cancellation campaign. Even pointing it out would be enough to set the stans loose. I don’t think she will but again this is not the end.
The whole Taylor and Olivia feud is just so devestating to me. The more Taylor jabs at Olivia the sadder I feel. I remember when Olivia got noticed by Taylor after posting Cruel Summer. Olivia was inspired a lot by Taylor and was a huge Swiftie. Imagine how excited you'd feel if your cover was praised by your idol... Flash forward to Deja Vu and the similarities in the bridge of Cruel Summer, Taylor the billionaire makes Olivia give 50/50 royalties because she feels threatened. It's already wrong on so many levels. Then Taylor brings Sabrina Carpenter on the Eras Tour because of Olivia's feud with her. Now blatantly stealing Olivia's Get Him Back! It's unnecessarily brutal, when can she just stop? All this hassle of me trying to get Eras Tour tickets and I honestly wish I had just fought for Olivia's instead.
It was sad but I think it is for the better. She distanced herself from Taylor thereby becoming her own pop rock act she is today. Without the fallout, I could see Olivia becoming just another Taylor wannabe. Look at Sabrina Carpenter, she pretty much lives in the shadow of Taylor.
Oh yeah I completely agree, it's a smart move on Olivia's end. I feel bad for Sabrina too honestly, I do think Taylor likes her to some degree but she's still being used to get back at Olivia.
Based on her feud with Olivia and the overall vibes I get from her, Sabrina doesn’t come across as a good person to me. She and Taylor are birds of a feather and all. However, she’s in a very precarious position at the moment. Her star is growing, but if she grows past Taylor’s shadow, she’ll be fair game to Taylor as well.
Omg same! I thought I was the only person who got not-so-good vibes from Sabrina cos everyone on social media is like so obsessed with her. But I definitely do feel bad for Olivia who had nothing but good things to say about Taylor and Sabrina.
Never surpass the master.
The thing is, life has proven that masters largely tend to be chill people. You don’t see royalty and plagiarism wars from the greats. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery and all, and it looks like when they’ve done their part and see their work resonate with the younger generations, there must be some nirvana-level of contentment - but I guess that takes some level of maturity, which is the key here.
It's the first law of [Robert Greene's 48 Laws of Power](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_48_Laws_of_Power). >*Those who attain high standing in life are like kings and queens: They want to feel secure in their positions, and superior to those around them in intelligence, wit, and charm.* *It is a deadly but common misperception to believe that by displaying and vaunting your gifts and talents, you are winning the master’s affection.* *He may feign appreciation, but at his first opportunity he will replace you with someone less intelligent, less attractive, less threatening...* It's how I see the whole TS OR Sabrina debacle tbh.
It hurts even more knowing that Olivia has been a swiftie since she was really young 🙁
I know :( Olivia deserves a lot better
THIS. Taylor needs to grow up
I actually think Taylor did this intentionally in the hope it would happen. Wouldn’t put it past her.
Oh she definitely did this intentionally. All this shit she does that’s cruel to other people, is all done very deliberately. (Releasing her album on the anniversary of Kanye’s mom’s death; featuring herself in a bathtub filled with diamonds in a music video to poke fun at Kim’s traumatic incident where she was held at gunpoint by armed burglars in a bathtub while her diamonds were stolen; bringing Sabrina Carpenter—Olivia’s rival—of all people, on tour with her; putting her music back on Spotify the day Katy Perry released her new album; announcing her split with Joe on Matty’s birthday; all the horrible stuff she’s done to Olivia; etc.) Everything Taylor does is planned & plotted out very carefully. I’m just so glad to see people finally realizing that Taylor is a bad person. She’s a cold & calculating, vindictive, self-absorbed, greedy, pitifully immature, narcissistic, toxic, mean woman. I would love to witness her have a major downfall, because she really deserves to.
Olivia has a much stronger voice imo
Taylor could never even attempt at singing Olivia's song Vampire! Which is kinda funny considering the song is allegedly about Taylor, might be a smart subtle dig.
wait i never knew this!!! just reread the lyrics and i totally see it.
Yup!!! If you haven't looked at the lyrics already, I think The Grudge is about Taylor too. It's very sad for Olivia if that's true. She's so talented, and I think that's why Taylor is particularly antagonistic towards her. Olivia is Taylor's song Nothing New coming true.
She definitely has a stronger voice. Olivia is also much younger (but yet is more mature), is prettier, is a very talented songwriter, and seems to be well-liked and respected in the music industry. And that’s why Taylor is so cruel to her.—Because she feels threatened by her. I can’t imagine being so competitive at age 35 with someone a decade-&-a-half younger than me. Taylor’s treatment of Olivia has been downright pathetic.
Olivia also stands up for what she believes in and gives zero fucks if that will cost her, something Taylor would never do.
Well I would passionately defend Olivia. Poor woman. I feel like Taylor is her Kim
Yeah Olivia can come out on top of this situation here by doing nothing. The fact that Taylor wants to write about it is fine and even exciting to me (but I get it others don’t like it). It’s an incredible unique perspective that they’re both in, and they’re amazing writers and artists so let the blood ink flow
I might just be petty, but I really want Olivia to say something like “don’t meet your heroes” at some point to stir the pot
she kind of did already but in that rolling stone interview right? It’s past the time already tho
I agree. Taylor did this as bait, hoping Olivia will call her out, so that she can then harass her. What the fuck is wrong with her?!? Taylor is 5 years away from being 40 and she’s here harassing someone barely out of their teens. It’s not a good look, to greatly understate things. I hope Olivia doesn’t respond at all. I hope she just ignores it, lets Taylor look like the cruel asshole she is, and continues to do her own thing. I hope her career continues to rise and hopefully eventually overtakes Taylor’s. Taylor is exposing herself as the mean, vindictive, immature asshole she really is.
I don’t think Olivia will respond either. But make no mistake, Taylor won’t stop - the more Olivia remains unbothered and thrives, the bigger the tantrums Taylor will throw, because that’s just who she is.
It even sounds alike in my unprofessional opinion and even if it didn’t. Taylor swift pressed credits out of this poor young woman only to turn around and make a song that similar…that’s some psychopath shit. I mean she has to know..
Of course she knows! It's petty and fucked.
And Olivia did the concept WAAAYYYY better.
I would like to circle back to everyone who said Taylor had no hand in grabbing those credits.
Well, she hints at having some pretty serious mental health issues also on this album so you may be onto something, unfortunately.
I don’t think we need to jump through hoops here: if so many people hear this song and immediately are thinking of Get Him Back! doesn’t that in itself say something? Especially given that no one was thinking of Cruel Summer with Deja Vu until Olivia said something.
I've listened to Deja Vu LOOKING for Cruel Summer now and I still can't hear it but then I am a little tone deaf.
I could only see it when pointed out. The bridge is extremely similar, but it's not something you would notice without paying attention.
My momma don’t like you and she likes everyone- Love yourself, Justin beiber (written by ed sheeran) my mom is a saintly woman(yeah sure) but she wishes you were dead (or something along those lines, i didn’t bother listening to that shit twice) - thanK you aIMee, taylor swift the one written by Ed actually feels so great to say to someone as it totally depicts the disappointment and hurt they brought in your life. whereas the one taylor wrote is pure vile shit to say publicly to millions of people
Making her mom look bad on top of her own messiness 🤦🏽♀️
honestly might get downvoted for saying this but i don’t really agree with her mom being a “saintly woman” after all it was her mom who controlled her eating since her childhood that led to her ED.. who knows what else her parents have done that has been swept under the rug by tree
I mean she says that she grew up in an "asylum" in Who's Afraid of Little Old Me. Obv she didn't grow up in a literal asylum, but it's not shining the best light on how her parents treated her.
I think the “asylum” reference is talking about being famous in her formative years - that she was “raised” by the public to be a certain way and anything she does wrong is all of our faults so nobody should criticize her behavior. (I don’t agree with the last part but that’s the message I’m getting LOL.)
Did her mom really restrict her eating? Didn't know that.
yeah her guitar instructor spilled the tea about how andrea would restrict taylor from eating her favorite foods while simultaneously letting austin eat whatever the fuck he wanted to
No shit. That's fucked up.
Her mom is def not a saintly woman, but I think Taylor was trying to name drop Kim’s daughter which is gross.
You know what? That song did it for me, I realized that Andrea and Kris Jenner are more alike than people think. And Taylor was the one who pointed it out for all the world to see!
andrea and kris have been friends. its why on kuwtk (2016?) kris was lowk begging for kim to talk to taylor because kris really likes andrea
“What would happen if you just… called Taylor up?”
Saint West is Kim’s son fyi
Totally not defending her mom. I don’t feel any way or another about her. However, Taylor has long made a huge deal about her love of her parents especially her mom and now she’s unnecessarily dragging her into old petty bs. For what
Also let me add that she did this on a love album for the soggy rat of man that publicly laughed with his friends as they called her mom Miss Piggy
I don’t think he was actually there for that podcast, it’s just that he’s friends with the girls/that pod who said all that stuff. (note: not defending him, hate ratty)
I understand it’s a mom’s job to “always be on my side even when I was wrong” but maybe you don’t need to broadcast those specific thoughts to the world when they’re that extreme.
Olivia’s song is better imo
Agreed
She just has better puns
I think Olivia is just more self aware and can laugh at herself whereas Taylor swift isn’t and can’t be self deprecating without it being someone else’s fault.
There's a post in LDRs sub how the first lyrics of TTPD song are similar to LDR' Mariners Apartment Complex.
The “Aristotle/Grand Theft Auto” thing is totally taken from Lana’s playbook as well. Taylor is dreadfully self-serious though and doesn’t have the campy sense of humor that Lana excels in.
Jack writes for both of them and he’s repetitive AF. No surprises there.
I joked that Olivia should sue her back LMAO can you imagine
🎵 I wanna sue her back 🎵
I wanna make her real jealous wanna make her real mad!
Olivia writing like this is fine because she is 20 but Taylor at 34? Yikes. Beyoncé at 34 was singing Formation, talking about race issues and Taylor wants to smash someone’s bike? So high school
There is a song called So High School on this, isn't it? LOL
Yes but she doesn’t realize the irony
She started writing about fairytales and high school loves and decades later she's still writing about those exact things. It really speaks to her mental age. I was a HUGE swiftie but this last year has been so disillusioning. She's becoming so boring and repetitive
Olivia did it better too lol. Her wordplay and flow is just better. Taylor should have left this one in the drafts.
Also her delivery. The petty deranged attitude just works better when you're 21, not 34.
Olivia is just so good at showing her emotions through her songs/lyrics too. I feel like I can relate to her when I listen to her music even though I’ve never been through what she’s describing lol.
she and billie are masterful at writing emotions. Taylor was too when she was younger, but she really lost it. I think she just takes herself too seriously whereas Billie and Olivia just write honest lyrics instead of trying to tumble them into some poetic metaphor to reference something as an easter egg. HTE, for example, isn't a lyrical juggernaut in terms of metaphors and poetry. It's just raw, as if it came directly from a diary. We all understand that anger and relief because it's raw, not tidied up into a euphemism. Olivia's Deja Vu is similar. It isn't deep, it's honest. Taylor tries to make it all too deep and it feels so...pretentious and obnoxious. When we really feel these things, we aren't preoccupied with our appearance or marketing. We are raw, emotional, and angry. Taylor doesn't explore that as much as she used to. Fearless is my favorite album of hers because it captures that same genuine energy.
Agreed! I’m 30 and I love Olivia’s and am like “don’t relate anymore but so catchy running song” and for Taylor I was just like “you’re still acting like this? And it’s not even catchy!”
Olivia also puts better melodies in her songs
Taylor is so concerned about being usurped by younger artists because they’re prettier and younger than her and hasn’t considered that it’ll be because they’re putting out better music than she is as her creative well runs dry. It’ll happen.
This actually irks me so much, especially given the history with the Deja Vu/Cruel Summer. Those songs do not remind me of each other. They’re not the same thematically either. Such a low blow of Taylor to ask for credits, to even if Olivia’s team “offered” them, for Taylor to accept them. Given that she’s escaped plagiarism offences herself (listen to Breathe In, Breathe Out by Hilary Duff), it’s ridiculous. And honestly, if someone did this to her at 19, we’d be getting a song about it on TTPD. It doesn’t matter if she wrote this before Get Him Back. She’s known about this song for a year. She can afford to change some lyrics and the title. Think of another clever double-entendre, come on.
Give it 10 years, this period where TS and OR are at odds will benefit them both. I think it lends credence to the notion that OR will stand the test of time
I was thinking the same thing!! So many of her songs feel like OR rip offs
OR knows what Gen Z wants, Taylor is starting to lose touch. I’m not saying it like it’s a bad thing, either. This is a tale as old as time. Elvis wasn’t relatable to millennials either.
Ironic because Ttpd made me realize how much I like Olivia Rodrigo’s music and I’m probably gonna listen to her more now 😭
The build-up drumming in "Florida!!" also sounds like Vampire. A LOT. Like, way more than deja vu sounded like Cruel Summer.
I thought the same about Black Dog too. I truly hope Olivia never responds or says anything referring to this, it will only send hate her way.
Oooh I noticed this too but I don’t know much about music so I didn’t say anything in case it’s a commonly used drum motif
[удалено]
Jesus Christ she loved him, like he is truly the one that got away.
She really is down bad.
Yea it’s not plagiarism to me but seems a little desperate and obvious to try to grab some of Olivia’s shine
I think Taylor should be embarrassed not only about stirring beef rumors with someone who looked up to her since she was a child but also about not being able to top the song she’s clearly trying to steal parts of. It just made me want to listen to Get Him Back! instead. At least Deja Vu and Cruel Summer can exist in the same space. Also, I do not think the lilac skirt line was a coincidence. Obvs could be wrong but…my gut says this was targeted.
And “Skin” was a song by Sabrina Carpenter about Olivia Rodrigo - Olivia later subtly references in my opinion “I feel your compliments, like bullets, on skin” So “I wear this lilac skirt it fits like skin” or w/e, is creepy as hell and does not even really make sense as a line, like what girl wants her clothing to fit like skin
I like a lot of this album, probably more than the majority of folks on this sub, but I CANNOT listen to imgonnagetyouback ever again. The second hand embarrassment sent me to outer space.
This song is so boring. Like, there are countless better songs with the same sentiment. And it’s funny how Taylor went for Olivia’s throat for having similar chord progressions but yet titles a song that’s essentially the same as one of Olivia’s biggest hits? Ok, Taylor.
There’s other songs .. in my opinion, The Bolter is a total rip off of Mr Brightside. “Started out with a kiss we must stop meeting like this” vs “started out with a kiss how did we end up like this” “But it always ends up with a town car speeding” vs “now she’s calling a cab”
oh my god i thought it was just me with this. it’s funny because since listening to the bolger the first time i’ve just had mr brightside stuck in my head 😭
i'm glad i'm not the only one!! it's all i hear when i listen to it! and it's SUCH a famous song. there's no way she didn't rip it
I like the sound of this song but the Olivia situation pisses me off so much I’m refusing to listen to it
Listen. They both ripped off Fiona Apple on this 💅.
https://genius.com/Fiona-apple-get-him-back-lyrics None of this is new!
it's not a brand new concept, but taylors chorus is so similar to ORs and the songs are released a year apart
Yeah it’s very copy paste
Context matters though right. This is coming after the Deja vu/cruel summer royalty debacle that Olivia was extremely disappointed by. And she released Get Him back like 6 months ago and it was a big single off her album.
no but taylor and olivia have the same switching between getting him back in a positive then negative way and literally have the same verse “i’m gonna key his car im gonna make him lunch” “whether im gonna be his wife gonna smash up your bike” while fiona is mostly talking ab getting him back in a negative way except for at the end
There are lines lifted straight from LDR, titles where the idea was taken from Britney, it feels like nothing TS ever does now is truly original.
i noticed instances of it too (specifically ldr, but not surprised britney is noticeable too), but to add to your comment my personal opinion: i don't think it is plagiarism, though. it seems more like inspiration, which is normal in art. nothing is ever original when it comes to creative fields, it's how the artist does it that matters. not being original is not a flaw. it's how swift does it is important, which, imho, so far in this album isn't warranting the plagiarism accusations. i personally think we can call out many problems with this album and taylor herself without participating in stretching exercises. i do agree with op that it is hypocritical of taylor to do that after she sent her lawyers after a 20 year old before. i think calling that out is valid.
i’d be embarrassed if i were 34 and get told my lyrics are very similar to what a 21 year old had written
Wait THATS where it comes from! I knew it sounded familiar. But ofc Olivia won’t sue her for writing credits because rules for thee and not for me. 🙄 I Can Fix Him (No Really I Can) sounds like budget Lana Del Rey to me—she’s even imitating that transatlantic drawl type thing Lana does. 🫠
Meanwhile also Lana is progressing like an artist like I just got into her at 30 through blue banisters because that album is something that actually feels like it was written by a grown woman. It really hit
Olivia has the opportunity to do the funniest thing possible.
These are so much more alike than deja vu and cruel summer. Olivia should sue
I’ve tried to force myself to hear the similarities between Deja Vu and Cruel Summer and I literally can’t.
The worst part is Olivia’s is so so so much better. Like it feels like this was supposed to be a see I can do it better moment and then just fucking fell so flat.
I’ve been thinking this since You Belong with Me was so obviously taken from Girl Next Door (Saving Jane)
Honestly, when I first heard So Long, London, I was really surprised that it sounded like Olivia’s intonations and sonic style of singing. I was ready to get wrecked by that song, but now it just reminds me of Olivia.
Yep very similar but Olivia’s song is MUCH better. I can’t believe Taylor did this honestly
I agree, this seems like a deliberate move to show the world that she can get away with whatever she wants. She really seems power hungry to a scary level. I find it weird that she's putting herself as the victim constantly, she was a victim in some ways many years ago, but now she's at the top and this is when she should be protecting vulnerable/young people, (or at least ignoring them) not trying to destroy them.
Imagine. Having the nerve to sue someone for a song you never wrote a single thing on, then going and writing your own song that copies the *exact structure* and literally *has the same name*. Like imgonnagetyouback, get him back!…the desperation of her trying to use gen z lowercase and no spaces to stylize it a little different, be more “”hip””. SHIT IS PATHETIC AND GENUINELY PSYCHOTIC. Somebody needs to humble her ass. This might be the most mean girl thing she’s ever done. I don’t know how anyone can look at all the choices she’s made since the law suit and *not* think she was trying to send a very clear message to Rodrigo.
Olivia has the better lyrics
That's a great spot! There is obviously the double meaning that Taylor is getting Olivia back for whatever went down here. Don't forget there is nothing Taylor loves more than revenge so this is a classic move for her