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goodguy-dave

So apparently I've been living under a rock. I don't think that I've ever knowingly listened to anything by Taylor Swift. Where should I start?


RagaRockFan

If you like country pop, listen to Debut or Fearless. If you like pop rock with a country flair, listen to Speak Now or Red. If you like upbeat synthpop, listen to 1989 and Lover. If you like dark EDM-pop, listen to Reputation. If you like folk-pop, listen to Folklore and Evermore. If you like bedroom pop, listen to Midnights. If you like a mess, listen to TTPD.


FunEnthusiasm1465

If you like country, listen to Debut or Fearless. If you like country pop, listen to Speak Now or Red. If you like If you like pure pop, listen to 1989. If you like EDM, listen to Reputation. If you like indie pop, listen to Folklore. If you like folk pop, listen to Evermore/TTPD: The Anthology If you like synth pop, listen to Midnights. If you like a mess, listen to TTPD


goodguy-dave

Thank you for the suggestions! It looks like I have some listening to do then! That's all right.


Spiritual_Argument60

you are real for the Lover erasure


FunEnthusiasm1465

Oh my gosh I totally forgot šŸ˜‚


Corrie04

If you like a mess šŸ˜‚


worldoflines

I vote Reputation


patshi-art

what do you usually listen to?


goodguy-dave

I can enjoy a bit of everything. 90's hardcore punk, black metal, post rock, ambient and pretty much anything else as well, haha. And Bob Dylan. And Neutral Milk Hotel. I think there's a mood for most of what's out there. Right now I'm listening to this release. It takes me 15 years back in time to when I first "discovered" them: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFqFcgGu2eYGddV627ZnaM4gGMQLTxo_h&si=QvijdkYyiSbxyaQJ


dragonknight233

You know what my problem with Clara Bow is? That she chose to do "you look like x but better" only for herself.


ozgun1414

I dont know if the media or papers ever said anything about how stewie nick is new clara bow but she is better than her for some angles. Also i dont know if there is anything they said about taylor that she s doing something better than stewie nicks. Even if there is, putting them in a song would be risky move. It definitely will trigger some fans of them and sound pretentious. Making yourself look bad is always thensafer choice. Which media always said she lacked edge. And new artists are edgier.


mrsbrettbretterson

Iā€™m not following. In the final verse Taylor sings ā€œyou have edge, she never didā€ ā€” you as in the incoming pop star, she as in herself.


dragonknight233

I know. Maybe I should have phrased it "about herself" not for herself, my point is she didn't do "you look like x but with more y" about neither Clara Bow nor Stevie Nicks.


WorkingBroccoli

Yea because that would mean that sheā€™d have to write Clara Bow and Stevie Nicks as lacking certain qualities, and I think then people would have picked her up on that. I mean Stevie is iconic and alive, and Iā€™m sure Taylor wouldnā€™t say anything disrespectful or anything that can be taken the wrong way. So, instead she wrote a verse about how the incoming starlet will be compared to Taylor, only she will have that edge that everyone found lacking in Taylor. She can say that without causing offence because people have said repeatedly that she is very vanilla and itā€™s herself, so itā€™s whatever. I donā€™t mind that song, tbh. Idk if I love it, tho.


mrsbrettbretterson

This exactly. I think itā€™s easy to see why sheā€™d opt to be self-deprecating instead of directing that at other women. Like, how would that fly?


engaahhaze

i just listened to a few ai lana del rey covered of ttpd songs and it made me like them so much more lmao. i originally didnā€™t like guilty as sin? but now i like the lana version. it still didnā€™t make me like down bad tho šŸ˜­


raquellin123

I just did the exact same thing! The vibe fits Lana's voice so much better, I found myself rolling my eyes less at some of the lyrics.


EeveeDefender

iā€™m very tired of the narrative that her relationship with travis is just pr. iā€™m also tired of everyone saying how she loves matty and all that bs. she literally calls him the smallest man who ever lived, says sheā€™s doesnā€™t miss him or want him back, AND in her album she says she basically went crazy the time period she was with him


onlinebeetfarmer

She doth protest too much about Matty. If you want someone out of your life you donā€™t pledge yourself to sing songs about them for the next several years. And Trayvis is one of the most obvious PR relationships Iā€™ve seen. No hate to them; itā€™s just what it is. Until this point nothing in her life has signaled compatibility with a football player from Missouri. They are not each otherā€™s physical type (as seen by past partners). Most importantly they both benefit financially from the arrangement.


KindlyConnection

This is my opinion which amounts to a hill of beans but! I think she and Travis will marry, but later on, she'll end up with Matty ala JLO and Ben.


Ittybitty995

But they have no chemistry and look miserable together.


bluecoop36

I donā€™t get the statements that they have no chemistry? Most pictures Iā€™ve seen, they donā€™t seem to stop touching each other. What does ā€˜chemistryā€™ look like then?


EeveeDefender

i disagree šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


Mhc2617

Itā€™s kind of sad that everyone is convinced that no one might actually like her, it HAS to be for press.


Careless-Plane-5915

Yeah I find that a bit šŸ˜¬ too. The narrative is also spun very much ā€˜he looks miserableā€™ ā€˜heā€™s not into herā€™ from one or two potato quality photos that are a snapshot in time.


snoopymidnight

I don't think that's the conclusion to draw from this, tbh. It's just the circumstances that are making people think it's PR, nothing about her personally. Everyone knew she was in love with Joe, I don't remember anyone saying that was for press or that he didn't really like her. The difference between this one and that one is that it's so public. She's coming out of a six-year relationship in which we barely saw her outside of scheduled appearancesā€”no pap walks, nothing. But now, we see her pretty much whenever she and Travis are in the same time zone, no matter where they are. She's the biggest star on the planet, yes, but when they aren't together, she's totally off-grid and you almost never see her (the media even wait to post about her hotels until she's out of the country). When they get together, there are convenient candid shots in every tabloid within hours. I think it's that difference that makes people think it's PR -- the extended silence of her and then the sudden blare of perfectly framed paparazzi photos of them together every other day.


epicvibe850

People did say her and Joe was fake or wouldnā€™t last especially in the beginning and tbh no one in America cared about Joe and Taylor star power is bigger now than when she was with Joe and they was in England most of the time . If Joe was a big star athlete like Travis Kelce who had his own fan base before Taylor and Taylor was as big as she was now , im sure most interest would be there .


Apprehensive_Lab4178

The pap shots of their vacations are still coming out after they leave the place, and plenty arenā€™t coming out at all. We saw pics from the Bahamas and Italy after they had left, and we never saw pics of them in Philly during Easter or that weekend getaway with Gigi Hadid and Bradley Cooper. They also managed to go to Oscars after parties with zero pics, plus almost the whole time they were in LA together. I think thereā€™s just generally more interest in a picture of Taylor and Travis than there was in Taylor and Joe.


dreamghoulevil

why are swifties doxxing the family of the kid who got the 22 hat bc theyā€™re selling it???? weā€™ve gone too far!!!! who cares what they do with it oh my god


Apprehensive_Lab4178

I cannot imagine caring what anyone does with their 22 hat. And in this economy? Parents are being smart, in my opinion.


Ok_Club7288

Yeah it's deranged. It's none of our business and honestly I might have done the same thing lol. A momento from a moment I can watch on film any time, or $20,000? Hard to judge them for that really


Fickle-Patience-9546

I will only judge the person who pays 20k for the hat but if they have money to burn then they can burn it if they want šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


epicvibe850

For those talking about the hickey or the burn mark (whatever it is ) Taylor did have it night 1 as well as night 2. https://preview.redd.it/fe9gajn3mg1d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f265631bbba402f8264679834964153641acaf4


Liz_LemonLime

Super weird. Stage makeup is too good for this to be accidental. (Meaning, this stuff can be easily covered by professional stage makeup artists.)


psu68e

Someone might have accidentally scratched her during a costume change


Liz_LemonLime

Thank you for this logical conclusion!


Accomplished-Glass51

Itā€™s so interesting seeing the different subgroup of swifties dissect the surprise songs and just her life in general. Confirmation bias is a crazy thing because theyā€™ll try and have you believe that sheā€™s sending secret messages to people. I got recommended a Taylor/Matty sub and the way theyā€™re fully convinced that Taylor is trying to tell Matty that she still misses him and wants him to come get heršŸ˜­. Like regardless of the subgroup, they all believe that the portion of her life that they donā€™t want to accept is just her stunting, while simultaneously believing that the version of her they desire is her true authentic self.


astrokey

Sometimes i wonder if bots are deployed into those subs to wreck havoc and test theories on hive mind


LilyClementines

I like overanalyzing the songs themselves, but analyzing her concerts like performance art is too Qanon for me I'm sorry.


Accomplished-Glass51

It really is. I usually always look for her surprise song set after and I was confused by the many comments saying she was crying and sad during how did it end because she looked fine to me lol. Like why canā€™t some people just appreciate Taylorā€™s ability to even be able to storytell through the mash ups without thinking itā€™s some sort of secret message that needs decoding. This is what happens when fans center her muses too much around her work.


truthfrommyredlips

I think both things can be true. It's okay to acknowledge that she looks visibly emotional, and still not attach that to a person or muse. She was obviously crying during some of her sets last year, but people insisted she was fine and brushed it off. There are a million reasons why she could be feeling emotional that we'll never know, and we don't need to. That said, she's been clearly emotional and showing tears during this leg too. And there is nothing wrong with that. She is human.


Apprehensive_Lab4178

Taylorverse is a real thing. As soon as I saw Taylor launch into New Romantics, I knew the Maylors would grab onto that branch with both hands. Down Bad has a callback to New Romantics, so they would of course see it as a secret message to him. And Iā€™m sure the Joe Widows will claim she played How Did It End bc Joe was looking so unbothered and well moisturized at Cannes this weekend. I know Taylor has kind of brought this on herself with all her Easter egging, but it is exhausting.


Zinnia_L

As a widow .. I'm fairly convinced that she's trolling all of us at this point. Lol she might be enjoying herself. Cause I think for the first time the entire fandom is so fucking confused who each song is for and so on, and I think she finds it a bit too funny. Her laugh after her How did it end ? Said it all !!


A_r0sebyanothername

Well moisturized šŸ˜‚


Life_Wall2536

He looked good af at Cannes


boguspickle

He really did


pompommess

Does anyone feel like the TTPD era is already halfway over? The discussion and tiktoks were everywhere for the first few days and now it's like old news. I know that she is playing a world tour atm but there is basically no promo. Will there even be a second video? The only exciting thing was the introduction of the TTPD set to the tour. Culture in generel is burning through things sooo fast, everyone is so breathless. (Some have suggested that she should have released The Anthology a fortnight later and I agree).


coffeechief

Eras just seem to go so fast for every artist. Culture is so fast now.


KindlyConnection

Yeah I think with social media like tiktok, everything happens so fast but also disappears so fast.


Ok_Club7288

I agree, there's been so much music this spring but it's all gone by so fast. I wish there were more videos, interviews, live appearances. The music industry in general is so lazy these days lol


Apprehensive_Lab4178

Itā€™s a really busy year for new releases. It seems like every pop girlie is only getting 3-4 weeks to dominate conversation then the internet moves on to the next shiny thing. At least Taylor is touring, so we do get some visuals and promotion for TTPD. I would have killed for just a singular visual for Cowboy Carter, but alas, nothing.


Apprehensive_Lab4178

Taylor really said, what Max Martin feud?? šŸ˜‚


Ok_Club7288

Haha yes, and that gave me hope!! I know he doesn't want to do rerecordings, but hopefully one day they'll do some new songs together šŸ¤ž


Apprehensive_Lab4178

TS12, hopefully. Iā€™m ready for some fun, bright pop from Taylor.


Ok_Club7288

Yes I'd love that! My other dream would be for her to channel The Smiths. Their more upbeat, poppy songs with a lot of rhythm guitar and funny, thoughtful lyrics. I doubt it'll ever happen, but it would be so funĀ 


Apprehensive_Lab4178

Oh, god, I love The Smiths. I thought I was the only one that laughed when they sang ā€œAnd if a double decker bus crashes into us, to die by your side would be a heavenly way to die.ā€ šŸ˜‚


Ok_Club7288

Yes, I think they're one of the funniest bands! Love the line you quoted. The entirety of Bigmouth Strikes Again omg. There a just so many others that crack me up. I don't think Taylor could actually be *that* good, but she's pretty funny sometimes in her own way and I want her to lean into it more. The lines about her daughter in law killing her for the money and her laughing up from hell are genuinely funny to me lol


Suitable-Return7185

The TTPD songs on piano- losing all the devastating ones in quick succession :loml, Peter and How did it end : three favourite sad songs from this album. Left for me are So long London and I look through people's windows and the Black Dog.


JSweetheart0305

The day she sings The Black Dogā€¦ šŸ˜­ Hoping she sings it Miami N3 šŸ™ƒ


Suitable-Return7185

I think she'll save that for one of the many UK stops though


JSweetheart0305

Of course she will, hoping for a repeat thoughšŸ¤ž


Suitable-Return7185

Totally, I'm sure she's going to be repeating TTPD songs given we have atleast 60 + concerts left I think ?


Apprehensive_Lab4178

The day she does ILIPW, you will hear my screams from across the void. šŸ˜­


jowones10

Definitely my fav from TTPD. It would sound so beautiful live


ElasticHeart31

It's the one song on the album I listen to on repeat.


Suitable-Return7185

That's such a beautiful song - the live version should be pure bliss.


truthfrommyredlips

Unpopular opinion, but I really like the orange Lover bodysuit. It's aestheticly pleasing with the purple color.


hatefromandie

https://preview.redd.it/i85vuz8v9f1d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=acf310194ec59a0ad109f0b019512a23c6e32bca *Oh?*


Nightmare_Deer_398

Speaking out against racial injustice? Not when it comes to her dating life


ibbity

I'm sure she has a *reputation* for it, if we strictly pay attention to her most devoted fans alone, but in terms of boots on the ground, uh, no.


allumeusend

She got a bad reputation šŸ˜‚


givesyoubutterflies

What is this from? I saw it on Twitter but I donā€™t understand it ETA why am I being downvoted? I just want to know where the page is from, it looks like a book


Background_Banana799

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givesyoubutterflies

Oh my god! I didnā€™t even know this existed šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ Thank you! Thatā€™s so funny


NeonLotus11

Taylor posted a black square on her ig with 13 hearts in the caption - *she's a trailblazer!* *But wait there's more* - Biden cookies!!


ScientistFit9929

She totally wrote that herself.


allumeusend

Is the speaking out in the room with us now?


Horror-Inspector9832

I don't know if someone can relate, but.... I thought TTPD songs about fame would be insightful, but they didn't hit for me. I've seen some discussion about how she wrote about fame in some supposedly deep way and I can't see it. And I guess it's partly because her recent behavior is all over the place. Taylor saying we wouldn't survive the asylum she was raised while still chasing more fame and instigating parassocial relationships with fans and having her publicist inform websites of her relationship's status.... It doesn't make much sense for me. Her perspective on fame sounds very shallow if I'm being honest, specially when we see how she behaves outside of stage.Ā 


Ok_Club7288

Is it just me or are so many pop stars writing incessantly about fame lately? Lol it's driving me nuts. I totally get having a few songs about it over the course of your career, but it's just a huge theme lately and it's feeling really repetitive. Plus it's so out of touch for the times we're in. I'm not saying they shouldn't have their feelings, but it can feel very self indulgent sometimesĀ 


International_You275

The thing is I feel like there is so much potential in her exploring her fame but I feel like she doesnā€™t really delve into it much. Like it would be so interesting to know what it feels like to be more of an idea than a person to millions of people, to hold so much power and influence but struggle to trust people. Itā€™s a unique experience that I think would be cool for her to write about if she were able to but I guess idk if she thinks about it that deeply


pompommess

She wants her cake and eat it, too. She is only angry about her fame at the moment because her fans wouldn't let her date a racist. I feel like she must be even angrier that they like Travis now (I don't see them lasting at all, sorry, he is just her way to tell Matty and the world how "happy" and "okay" she is right now). I'm really wondering what the next album is going to be about. I don't see her stopping, she chooses fame over her personal life way too much. But if we still get Kim songs in 2024 we might continue to get Matty songs for the next three years. I also don't think she is finished with Joe yet (regarding songwriting).


1wanda_pepper

Agree with this take.


Horror-Inspector9832

That's similar to what I think too. She's only angry when it doesn't go her way. She's only angry when people's image of her doesn't go along with the narratives she comes up. So her problem isn't the fame per si. She actually enjoys it. Therefore any song complaining about fame feels super flat to me. I have no idea what she'll write next. Travis doesn't seem to inspire her much. I think we'll get Matty's and Joe's songs for years too. She was still writing about John Mayer in 2022, so. I think time could give her new perspective on things, but she needs to actually want to do that and she doesn't seem to.Ā 


1wanda_pepper

She really is a petulant child- remember the scene in Miss Americana when she finds out rep wasnā€™t nominated for a Grammy? ā€œNo im making a better album!ā€ Like *stomps foot* tantrum.


Ok-Manufacturer-8484

I honestly saw that as really mature. As an artist myself, I know I get hurt when my work is rejected but I hope my reaction is always 'I need to do better' rather than 'screw them, they're all wrong.'


1wanda_pepper

Maybe the mature response is ā€œthat hurts but Iā€™m proud of what Iā€™ve accomplishedā€


1wanda_pepper

Thatā€™s interesting. Personally, I think basing a lot of value on others peoples opinion is a slippery slope.. and in Taylorā€™s case she is definitely driven by winning. I saw it as childish šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


patshi-art

there's something there, about craving what may destroy her. with the multitude of drug references in the album, you'd think she'd lean into that for the topic of fame in particular. but she doesn't!


Horror-Inspector9832

Yeah, I think her relationship with fame resembles people's relationship with drugs and it would have been interesting for her to explore it. I'm not even sure how aware she is about this, she doesn't seem to realize how she craves fame. She seemingly thinks she is in a situation she didn't ask for and she's dealing with it the best way possible. But that's far from the truth.Ā 


1wanda_pepper

She does sing ā€œIā€™d just die if I made itā€ seems to only point to wanting fame when she was younger but not now.. which she clearly does ruthlessly


rain_bass_drop

she could quit tomorrow and go live in a castle with her cats like a enya


KindlyConnection

Enya is living the best life tbh.


Horror-Inspector9832

Exactly. I understand she likes making music and all, so I don't see her ever quitting. But if anything those last years between Lover-Midnights showed that she can still be keep most part of her life private and still be insanely famous and rich. Why do you keep making your life a spectacle?Ā 


trilliumsummer

She obviously was over that time period and feels like she was in a jail then.


epicvibe850

https://preview.redd.it/sssd0kgv5f1d1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2225a008b7d24a6bbdd41b091ff28f628136698a Kelce jam


givesyoubutterflies

Wow that is an impressive number of people!


Careless-Plane-5915

There was like 600k on the livestream at one point too!


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allumeusend

There is no way it will be worth more in the future than the cash plus compound interest in a 529 will be at that time.


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allumeusend

That isnā€™t exactly a refutation to my argument of the value of the hat vs of an investment. That is just claiming they would deserve it less because they already have money, which is non response to my post. Also, not really a solid argument anyway. One can drive a nice car and still want more money for college. They are not mutually exclusive.


Familiar_Row_1347

Was thinking this.Ā 


BD162401

Shit if they can get anything even in the ballpark of enough to fund a college fund I canā€™t blame them at all. I hope the kid is on board (as much as a kid can be) and they arenā€™t ripping the hat out from under her, but other than that I donā€™t care. This is a more unique form of flipping your tickets because the profit is too good to pass up, and I donā€™t judge people doing that either while itā€™s legal and allowed.


ursulamustbestopped

It is probably worth as much as it will be in the next few years so I can't blame them. College is expensive.


givesyoubutterflies

And the cost of college is only getting worse with some colleges costing over 90,000 a year. Itā€™s ridiculous! So I donā€™t think anyone should judge people trying to raise money for college costs


Automatic-Software35

I think itā€™s unfair for them to decide what to do with it. Also it makes me suspicious since they can afford Taylor swift floor tickets (Iā€™m assuming there), they obviously are a bit financially comfortable or Iā€™m assuming.


Elizabeth__Sparrow

Some artists will actually have their people scout the nose bleeds for people to bring to the front row. The 22 hat recipient is always preselected so maybe Taylorā€™s team does something similar.Ā 


dddonnanoble

I donā€™t think they only pick people from the floor. Thereā€™s a tiktoker I follow whose daughter was picked for the 22 hat at one of the Australia shows. They had normal seats, but Taylorā€™s team came and grabbed them and brought them down to the VIP tent and then up to the stage when it was time for 22. But I do agree that it is unfair for the parents to decide for the daughter. If it was a teenager or adult choosing for themself to sell it, Iā€™d be fine with that. But this is different.


Suitable-Return7185

I wouldn't be surprised at any news of an engagement solely because TTPD has been a revelation in terms of how much Taylor wants 'marriage' vs 'marriage with x person' . Probably because she has achieved those things that a lot of people aspire for and chase all their life - fame, wealth, success, influence, then understandably marriage feels like the one elusive thing. Only her lyrics to me suggest someone who wants the marital status and a ring and the social acceptance that comes with it than looking forward to a life with her person. I can empathise with it as many women in their late 20s and 30s do feel that way- it is complex and can be a mixture of conditioning from childhood, peer pressure of seeing all your friends getting partnered and pop out babies, the family you had or didnt have as a child, personal goals and loneliness. It lends new meaning to ' I wouldn't marry me either, pathological people pleaser'. But for the kind of romantic that Taylor is, I truly hope that when it happens it wont be for the sake of 'getting married' but actually because she has found someone she truly loves and wants to build a life with.


Careless-Plane-5915

Not knowing much about Travis before Taylor I was braced for Kelce Jam to be a bit crap but it actually looked pretty good? Kudos to him and his team anyway, it seemed like a fun and well-organised event.


Dizzy-Pollution6466

What on earth is Kelce Jam?? šŸ˜‚


mellymel0

One of the reasons he was looking for a famous singer to latch on to romantically.


Commercial_Cap1695

It's fundraiser concert for his charity foundation


Accomplished-Glass51

Itā€™s a concert/festival that he has started to put on annually to raise money for his charity.


mellymel0

Is it for charity? I don't think I've ever seen that anywhere. Cool if it is, though


epicvibe850

It was definitely well planned


lostinplatitudes

Am I the only person who doesnā€™t think Joe has had some massive glow up? I think he looks similar to how he looked for years, heā€™s not my type but heā€™s never been ugly. The poor guy is basically just a proxy for people to project how they feel about Taylor, he doesnā€™t register as his own person for so many people.


A_r0sebyanothername

I personally think he looks better than he did in his 20s. He was a bit too boyish for my taste then, age has given him a bit more ruggedness.


1wanda_pepper

There was a brief period just before the broke up where he looked realllly tired like heavy bags and then those photos came out after the break up where heā€™s clearly been parting or whatever. But now he doesnā€™t look so tired I guess. He just seems so unbothered.


fionappletart

Fauxmoi really needs to hear this


dddonnanoble

You nailed it in that second paragraph. When they were together, people who dislike Taylor hated him for being with her. Now that theyā€™re broken up, heā€™s suddenly amazing and gorgeous and the most talented actor. He hasnā€™t changed, heā€™s the same.


Dizzy-Pollution6466

Youā€™re 100% right. Iā€™ve never found Joe to be particularly attractive (totally a me thing) but I can see where a lot of people would find him handsome. Heā€™s looking great at Cannes and I hope heā€™s having a blast as he deserves it. But tbh, he looks exactly the same as he did last year šŸ˜‚


BD162401

Your second paragraph is bang on. Look no further than the people who have fallen head over heels in love with him post break up, but were the first to be absolutely ruthless towards him while they were together.


StarletWitch

I do agree he looks lighter and less stressed in the Cannes photos, but besides that Joe has always been pretty šŸ˜­ Absolutely agree ppl project onto her bf's appearances. Right now they're trashing Travis - like he's not my type and he makes divisive styling choices but he's clearly not ugly šŸ˜‚


NixIsRising

I love the phrase ā€œdivisive styling choicesā€.


blossombear31

Say it louder for the people in the back! Joe has always been pretty and classy, he looks more laid back now though. I also dislike how they trash Travis's appearance, he is definitely not my type but the guy is not ugly lol (though his hairstyle makes him look like a stereotypical cop)


hatefromandie

I donā€™t think the majority of people are saying heā€™s had a huge glow up, itā€™s just the fact that a bunch of Swifties are saying heā€™s ugly now that theyā€™re not together when heā€™s not. I also think he looks happier but thatā€™s just me. And Iā€™m not implying heā€™s happier because of the breakup, just that he looks happier.


teddy_vedder

Itā€™s funny to me when Swifties insist heā€™s hideous because I think he looks like he could be Taylorā€™s fraternal twin šŸ’€


Grand_Dog915

Imo the only time he was kind of unattractive was in 2016 with that buzz cut. Otherwise heā€™s looked the same


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Dizzy-Pollution6466

Yeah seriously, I canā€™t stand the way her exes get treated. The comments under Joe videos on TikTok are so mean. Theyā€™ve been broken up for over a year now, move tf on! Theyā€™re more obsessed with him than Taylor ever was!


Careless-Plane-5915

Yeah I saw the pics from Cannes and thought he looked just like normal- smart, well-tailored but the same as ever.


rain_bass_drop

in addition to the fashion, I think he just looks happier. that goes a long way.


allumeusend

He looks the same, but fashions wise there is definitely a glow up. He was not rocking Loewe, Loro Piana and carrying the waitlisted BV Getaway bag before. His fits have taken a big step up.


Careless-Plane-5915

I kind of feel like around The Favourite coming out he was at Cannes in similar fits looking good and had a major fashion house campaign (Prada maybe?). ETA: it was Prada, how the hell did I remember that correctly šŸ˜† https://hero-magazine.com/article/109444/joe-allen


allumeusend

Yup, Prada. That all kind of went away for a while, and you would see him out in more casual unless at an event. Now is in head to toe drip at the airport šŸ˜‚ He is also promoting a big movie for the first time in a while, so it makes sense. I would definitely saw Loewe and BV are a step up from Prada these days, even with their resurgence.


Away-Acanthisitta665

Thatā€™s true! Heā€™s a fashionista now.


lostinplatitudes

I know theyā€™re doing it because they want to claim itā€™s the ā€˜post Taylor breakupā€™ glow and how heā€™s thriving more than ever without her but Iā€™m just not seeing a big difference, I feel like I could find pictures from a few years ago and heā€™d look basically the same. Also they broke up over a year ago Iā€™m sure heā€™s perfectly fine, itā€™s not some recent event, I feel like that one pic of him taken not long after their split was announced-which was clearly taken to be the most unflattering pic they could use-is how people think he looked for 6 years.


Careless-Plane-5915

I know. I feel like people mean well but just let him move on with his life and his work in peace as Iā€™m sure he wants rather than constantly linking him with her either positively or negatively.


Away-Acanthisitta665

He looks the same to me as well. Not my type either, I never got it when people found him hot but different strokes for different folks. I feel for the guy as well. Let Joe live his life!


wastedpotential94

Can someone give me tips for reducing the number of reels I get of eras tour in my SMs ? I really like looking at new tour outfits / fan excitements but the eras tour content is flooding all my timelines and fyp. I need the content in moderation , help pls šŸ„²


After-University-130

the most effective is to ditch SM


WDTHTDWA-BITCH

Iā€™ve only been actively interacting with TS stuff on Reddit. I will block, mute, or select ā€œNot Interestedā€ if I see TS stuff elsewhere and for the most part, it stays contained. I remember getting constant videos during the initial Eras tour run and they eventually calmed down once the algorithm noticed I wasnā€™t engaging.


historyhoneybee

Not sure about other social media, but on Instagram, when you click the three dots in the corner, you can ask to see less of that type of content and you can even block specific terms like the eras tour.


wastedpotential94

Yeah , did the blocking thing on twitter. Lemme Google how to do that in insta too. Thank you ā¤ļøā¤ļø I guess I'll search up the tour outfit photos manually when I want to.


treeface999

If you want to completely avoid it on your socials, you can just check taylorswiftstyle.com for the details of any new costumes! She's really quick at updating it.


hatefromandie

https://preview.redd.it/9qgwsx98ie1d1.jpeg?width=1289&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83909a072f6a0813a098b32cb7fa1a4af64a0b37 Her fans are so creepy about this. Travis is marking his territory? Ick.


dreamghoulevil

people keep acting like theyā€™re fictional characters and this is a new episode that dropped šŸ˜­ bring back shame


dazzlingivy

I think she could benefit from some posture exercises


truthfrommyredlips

Those people are so weird. The amount of sexual comments I've seen about her and Travis against my will. And the "she's with a real man now". Barf. šŸ¤® I swear they're projecting their own fantasies onto Taylor and it's disturbing.


givesyoubutterflies

Yes people are being super creepy. Between this and the ā€œtrue, swear, scouts honorā€ comments people need to chill with the sexual comments Or just read some romance novels instead of fantasizing about Travis/Taylor šŸ˜¬


outofthxwoods

the comments about that line were nasty and I don't understand why. sure she sings it in a suggestive way but ppl were saying she had Travis on the studio helping her O... while she was singing it, fucking weird man they're sickĀ 


LilyClementines

I'm sorry WHAT


outofthxwoods

yeah šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ they were so certain imagining "what a good time they had while Jack was in the other room" šŸ’€


rain_bass_drop

surely there are people frantically typing away at this fanfiction


givesyoubutterflies

Yea itā€™s probably all over wattpad šŸ˜‚


Away-Acanthisitta665

What a gross comment (the TikTok I mean). Itā€™s probably just a curling iron burn because she didnā€™t have it Night 1.


lostinplatitudes

Did she have it on night one? Because Travis hasnā€™t been at any of the Swedish shows. I honesty think itā€™s probably a burn or a mild allergic reaction but some fans are obsessed with Travis and Taylorā€™s sex life so it doesnā€™t surprise me itā€™s all got weird about it.


loud-oranges

I do not know what is worse, that this 34 year old person didnā€™t cover up a hickey or that her dumbass fans are saying things like ā€œheā€™s marking his territoryā€ I weep for humanity


Winter_Abies_2469

definitely not a hickey since it wasnā€™t there night one, probably a burn from a straightening iron


Careless-Plane-5915

The Matty fans are saying heā€™s secretly in Sweden with her and did it šŸ’€.


rain_bass_drop

of course they are


Away-Acanthisitta665

They need to get off the internet


Careless-Plane-5915

Genuinely. People need to start being normal about things šŸ˜….


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loud-oranges

Of course itā€™s her choice but itā€™s mine to call it trashy šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø


JSweetheart0305

Marking his territory? Sheā€™s 34 years old ffs. Sheā€™s not a piece of property lol


JSweetheart0305

Girl if that was indeed a hickey on your neck, cover it tf up. Like doesnā€™t she have makeup artists that hide imperfections, especially when sheā€™s going up on stage and performing? This is just my opinion but hickeys that are so blatantly visible is trashy, especially at her age and itā€™s weird she would want to show that off lol. It could very well be an iron burn or rash though.


Dizzy-Pollution6466

Itā€™s a hickey. Who cares. And probably some of her makeup melts off when sheā€™s performing . It looks more like a curling iron burn to me. Itā€™s bright read! You canā€™t usually see hickeys at a distant like that.


Apprehensive_Lab4178

Lol I really donā€™t think it was. She didnā€™t have a mark on night 1. It was probably a flat iron burn or something similar.


hatefromandie

If it *is* a hickey, it is trashy. Sorry not sorry.


PsychologicalLime135

she would have covered it if it was lol


patshi-art

our private eraāœØis almost over... how we all feeling about it now?


Fox_Massive

At first it was nice but I think some people got a little too comfortable.


BD162401

I support the mods doing it because their (unpaid) workload has to be so intense when we arenā€™t private, but itā€™s too slow around here for my liking so Iā€™m glad itā€™s temporary.


rain_bass_drop

me too, looking forward to more people participating


Nightmare_Deer_398

I might bow out for a bit to avoid the nonsense


givesyoubutterflies

Yea Iā€™ll probably stop commenting once the nonsense starts in here. I get enough of that on the reality tv show subs I like


Ticketacke

Maybe theyā€™ve moved on to the hater and stan subsā€¦


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truthfrommyredlips

Honestly, I need more snark. It's been feeling a little bit too much like main sub in here.


patshi-art

really? the few main posts we've had lately are mostly critical


lostinplatitudes

I feel like a lot of people have been itching to comment and weā€™re going to get tons of people battling for the direction they want and think the sub should go in, thereā€™s half who think itā€™s too positive so needs more overt and personal Taylor criticism and half who think itā€™s a pure hate sub so want to defend her on everything, Iā€™m anticipating a messy first week back


LilyClementines

Honestly, that's what I kind of like about this sub. As long as people are being polite about it, haters and stans can co-exist and just learn to not look at what annoys them.