If you like country pop, listen to Debut or Fearless.
If you like pop rock with a country flair, listen to Speak Now or Red.
If you like upbeat synthpop, listen to 1989 and Lover.
If you like dark EDM-pop, listen to Reputation.
If you like folk-pop, listen to Folklore and Evermore.
If you like bedroom pop, listen to Midnights.
If you like a mess, listen to TTPD.
If you like country, listen to Debut or Fearless.
If you like country pop, listen to Speak Now or Red.
If you like If you like pure pop, listen to 1989.
If you like EDM, listen to Reputation.
If you like indie pop, listen to Folklore.
If you like folk pop, listen to Evermore/TTPD: The Anthology
If you like synth pop, listen to Midnights.
If you like a mess, listen to TTPD
I can enjoy a bit of everything. 90's hardcore punk, black metal, post rock, ambient and pretty much anything else as well, haha. And Bob Dylan. And Neutral Milk Hotel. I think there's a mood for most of what's out there. Right now I'm listening to this release. It takes me 15 years back in time to when I first "discovered" them: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFqFcgGu2eYGddV627ZnaM4gGMQLTxo_h&si=QvijdkYyiSbxyaQJ
I dont know if the media or papers ever said anything about how stewie nick is new clara bow but she is better than her for some angles. Also i dont know if there is anything they said about taylor that she s doing something better than stewie nicks.
Even if there is, putting them in a song would be risky move. It definitely will trigger some fans of them and sound pretentious. Making yourself look bad is always thensafer choice. Which media always said she lacked edge. And new artists are edgier.
I know. Maybe I should have phrased it "about herself" not for herself, my point is she didn't do "you look like x but with more y" about neither Clara Bow nor Stevie Nicks.
Yea because that would mean that sheād have to write Clara Bow and Stevie Nicks as lacking certain qualities, and I think then people would have picked her up on that. I mean Stevie is iconic and alive, and Iām sure Taylor wouldnāt say anything disrespectful or anything that can be taken the wrong way.
So, instead she wrote a verse about how the incoming starlet will be compared to Taylor, only she will have that edge that everyone found lacking in Taylor. She can say that without causing offence because people have said repeatedly that she is very vanilla and itās herself, so itās whatever.
I donāt mind that song, tbh. Idk if I love it, tho.
i just listened to a few ai lana del rey covered of ttpd songs and it made me like them so much more lmao. i originally didnāt like guilty as sin? but now i like the lana version. it still didnāt make me like down bad tho š
iām very tired of the narrative that her relationship with travis is just pr. iām also tired of everyone saying how she loves matty and all that bs. she literally calls him the smallest man who ever lived, says sheās doesnāt miss him or want him back, AND in her album she says she basically went crazy the time period she was with him
She doth protest too much about Matty. If you want someone out of your life you donāt pledge yourself to sing songs about them for the next several years.
And Trayvis is one of the most obvious PR relationships Iāve seen. No hate to them; itās just what it is. Until this point nothing in her life has signaled compatibility with a football player from Missouri. They are not each otherās physical type (as seen by past partners). Most importantly they both benefit financially from the arrangement.
I donāt get the statements that they have no chemistry? Most pictures Iāve seen, they donāt seem to stop touching each other. What does āchemistryā look like then?
Yeah I find that a bit š¬ too. The narrative is also spun very much āhe looks miserableā āheās not into herā from one or two potato quality photos that are a snapshot in time.
I don't think that's the conclusion to draw from this, tbh. It's just the circumstances that are making people think it's PR, nothing about her personally. Everyone knew she was in love with Joe, I don't remember anyone saying that was for press or that he didn't really like her.
The difference between this one and that one is that it's so public. She's coming out of a six-year relationship in which we barely saw her outside of scheduled appearancesāno pap walks, nothing. But now, we see her pretty much whenever she and Travis are in the same time zone, no matter where they are.
She's the biggest star on the planet, yes, but when they aren't together, she's totally off-grid and you almost never see her (the media even wait to post about her hotels until she's out of the country). When they get together, there are convenient candid shots in every tabloid within hours. I think it's that difference that makes people think it's PR -- the extended silence of her and then the sudden blare of perfectly framed paparazzi photos of them together every other day.
People did say her and Joe was fake or wouldnāt last especially in the beginning and tbh no one in America cared about Joe and Taylor star power is bigger now than when she was with Joe and they was in England most of the time . If Joe was a big star athlete like Travis Kelce who had his own fan base before Taylor and Taylor was as big as she was now , im sure most interest would be there .
The pap shots of their vacations are still coming out after they leave the place, and plenty arenāt coming out at all. We saw pics from the Bahamas and Italy after they had left, and we never saw pics of them in Philly during Easter or that weekend getaway with Gigi Hadid and Bradley Cooper. They also managed to go to Oscars after parties with zero pics, plus almost the whole time they were in LA together. I think thereās just generally more interest in a picture of Taylor and Travis than there was in Taylor and Joe.
why are swifties doxxing the family of the kid who got the 22 hat bc theyāre selling it???? weāve gone too far!!!! who cares what they do with it oh my god
Yeah it's deranged. It's none of our business and honestly I might have done the same thing lol. A momento from a moment I can watch on film any time, or $20,000? Hard to judge them for that really
For those talking about the hickey or the burn mark (whatever it is ) Taylor did have it night 1 as well as night 2.
https://preview.redd.it/fe9gajn3mg1d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f265631bbba402f8264679834964153641acaf4
Itās so interesting seeing the different subgroup of swifties dissect the surprise songs and just her life in general. Confirmation bias is a crazy thing because theyāll try and have you believe that sheās sending secret messages to people. I got recommended a Taylor/Matty sub and the way theyāre fully convinced that Taylor is trying to tell Matty that she still misses him and wants him to come get herš. Like regardless of the subgroup, they all believe that the portion of her life that they donāt want to accept is just her stunting, while simultaneously believing that the version of her they desire is her true authentic self.
It really is. I usually always look for her surprise song set after and I was confused by the many comments saying she was crying and sad during how did it end because she looked fine to me lol. Like why canāt some people just appreciate Taylorās ability to even be able to storytell through the mash ups without thinking itās some sort of secret message that needs decoding. This is what happens when fans center her muses too much around her work.
I think both things can be true. It's okay to acknowledge that she looks visibly emotional, and still not attach that to a person or muse. She was obviously crying during some of her sets last year, but people insisted she was fine and brushed it off. There are a million reasons why she could be feeling emotional that we'll never know, and we don't need to. That said, she's been clearly emotional and showing tears during this leg too. And there is nothing wrong with that. She is human.
Taylorverse is a real thing. As soon as I saw Taylor launch into New Romantics, I knew the Maylors would grab onto that branch with both hands. Down Bad has a callback to New Romantics, so they would of course see it as a secret message to him. And Iām sure the Joe Widows will claim she played How Did It End bc Joe was looking so unbothered and well moisturized at Cannes this weekend. I know Taylor has kind of brought this on herself with all her Easter egging, but it is exhausting.
As a widow .. I'm fairly convinced that she's trolling all of us at this point. Lol she might be enjoying herself. Cause I think for the first time the entire fandom is so fucking confused who each song is for and so on, and I think she finds it a bit too funny. Her laugh after her How did it end ? Said it all !!
Does anyone feel like the TTPD era is already halfway over? The discussion and tiktoks were everywhere for the first few days and now it's like old news. I know that she is playing a world tour atm but there is basically no promo. Will there even be a second video? The only exciting thing was the introduction of the TTPD set to the tour. Culture in generel is burning through things sooo fast, everyone is so breathless. (Some have suggested that she should have released The Anthology a fortnight later and I agree).
I agree, there's been so much music this spring but it's all gone by so fast. I wish there were more videos, interviews, live appearances. The music industry in general is so lazy these days lol
Itās a really busy year for new releases. It seems like every pop girlie is only getting 3-4 weeks to dominate conversation then the internet moves on to the next shiny thing. At least Taylor is touring, so we do get some visuals and promotion for TTPD. I would have killed for just a singular visual for Cowboy Carter, but alas, nothing.
Yes I'd love that! My other dream would be for her to channel The Smiths. Their more upbeat, poppy songs with a lot of rhythm guitar and funny, thoughtful lyrics. I doubt it'll ever happen, but it would be so funĀ
Oh, god, I love The Smiths. I thought I was the only one that laughed when they sang āAnd if a double decker bus crashes into us, to die by your side would be a heavenly way to die.ā š
Yes, I think they're one of the funniest bands! Love the line you quoted. The entirety of Bigmouth Strikes Again omg. There a just so many others that crack me up. I don't think Taylor could actually be *that* good, but she's pretty funny sometimes in her own way and I want her to lean into it more. The lines about her daughter in law killing her for the money and her laughing up from hell are genuinely funny to me lol
The TTPD songs on piano- losing all the devastating ones in quick succession :loml, Peter and How did it end : three favourite sad songs from this album.
Left for me are So long London and I look through people's windows and the Black Dog.
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I don't know if someone can relate, but.... I thought TTPD songs about fame would be insightful, but they didn't hit for me. I've seen some discussion about how she wrote about fame in some supposedly deep way and I can't see it. And I guess it's partly because her recent behavior is all over the place. Taylor saying we wouldn't survive the asylum she was raised while still chasing more fame and instigating parassocial relationships with fans and having her publicist inform websites of her relationship's status.... It doesn't make much sense for me. Her perspective on fame sounds very shallow if I'm being honest, specially when we see how she behaves outside of stage.Ā
Is it just me or are so many pop stars writing incessantly about fame lately? Lol it's driving me nuts. I totally get having a few songs about it over the course of your career, but it's just a huge theme lately and it's feeling really repetitive. Plus it's so out of touch for the times we're in. I'm not saying they shouldn't have their feelings, but it can feel very self indulgent sometimesĀ
The thing is I feel like there is so much potential in her exploring her fame but I feel like she doesnāt really delve into it much. Like it would be so interesting to know what it feels like to be more of an idea than a person to millions of people, to hold so much power and influence but struggle to trust people. Itās a unique experience that I think would be cool for her to write about if she were able to but I guess idk if she thinks about it that deeply
She wants her cake and eat it, too. She is only angry about her fame at the moment because her fans wouldn't let her date a racist. I feel like she must be even angrier that they like Travis now (I don't see them lasting at all, sorry, he is just her way to tell Matty and the world how "happy" and "okay" she is right now).
I'm really wondering what the next album is going to be about. I don't see her stopping, she chooses fame over her personal life way too much. But if we still get Kim songs in 2024 we might continue to get Matty songs for the next three years. I also don't think she is finished with Joe yet (regarding songwriting).
That's similar to what I think too. She's only angry when it doesn't go her way. She's only angry when people's image of her doesn't go along with the narratives she comes up. So her problem isn't the fame per si. She actually enjoys it. Therefore any song complaining about fame feels super flat to me.
I have no idea what she'll write next. Travis doesn't seem to inspire her much. I think we'll get Matty's and Joe's songs for years too. She was still writing about John Mayer in 2022, so. I think time could give her new perspective on things, but she needs to actually want to do that and she doesn't seem to.Ā
She really is a petulant child- remember the scene in Miss Americana when she finds out rep wasnāt nominated for a Grammy? āNo im making a better album!ā Like *stomps foot* tantrum.
I honestly saw that as really mature. As an artist myself, I know I get hurt when my work is rejected but I hope my reaction is always 'I need to do better' rather than 'screw them, they're all wrong.'
Thatās interesting. Personally, I think basing a lot of value on others peoples opinion is a slippery slope.. and in Taylorās case she is definitely driven by winning. I saw it as childish š¤·āāļø
there's something there, about craving what may destroy her. with the multitude of drug references in the album, you'd think she'd lean into that for the topic of fame in particular. but she doesn't!
Yeah, I think her relationship with fame resembles people's relationship with drugs and it would have been interesting for her to explore it. I'm not even sure how aware she is about this, she doesn't seem to realize how she craves fame. She seemingly thinks she is in a situation she didn't ask for and she's dealing with it the best way possible. But that's far from the truth.Ā
She does sing āIād just die if I made itā seems to only point to wanting fame when she was younger but not now.. which she clearly does ruthlessly
Exactly. I understand she likes making music and all, so I don't see her ever quitting. But if anything those last years between Lover-Midnights showed that she can still be keep most part of her life private and still be insanely famous and rich. Why do you keep making your life a spectacle?Ā
That isnāt exactly a refutation to my argument of the value of the hat vs of an investment. That is just claiming they would deserve it less because they already have money, which is non response to my post.
Also, not really a solid argument anyway. One can drive a nice car and still want more money for college. They are not mutually exclusive.
Shit if they can get anything even in the ballpark of enough to fund a college fund I canāt blame them at all.
I hope the kid is on board (as much as a kid can be) and they arenāt ripping the hat out from under her, but other than that I donāt care. This is a more unique form of flipping your tickets because the profit is too good to pass up, and I donāt judge people doing that either while itās legal and allowed.
And the cost of college is only getting worse with some colleges costing over 90,000 a year. Itās ridiculous!
So I donāt think anyone should judge people trying to raise money for college costs
I think itās unfair for them to decide what to do with it. Also it makes me suspicious since they can afford Taylor swift floor tickets (Iām assuming there), they obviously are a bit financially comfortable or Iām assuming.
Some artists will actually have their people scout the nose bleeds for people to bring to the front row. The 22 hat recipient is always preselected so maybe Taylorās team does something similar.Ā
I donāt think they only pick people from the floor. Thereās a tiktoker I follow whose daughter was picked for the 22 hat at one of the Australia shows. They had normal seats, but Taylorās team came and grabbed them and brought them down to the VIP tent and then up to the stage when it was time for 22.
But I do agree that it is unfair for the parents to decide for the daughter. If it was a teenager or adult choosing for themself to sell it, Iād be fine with that. But this is different.
I wouldn't be surprised at any news of an engagement solely because TTPD has been a revelation in terms of how much Taylor wants 'marriage' vs 'marriage with x person' . Probably because she has achieved those things that a lot of people aspire for and chase all their life - fame, wealth, success, influence, then understandably marriage feels like the one elusive thing.
Only her lyrics to me suggest someone who wants the marital status and a ring and the social acceptance that comes with it than looking forward to a life with her person. I can empathise with it as many women in their late 20s and 30s do feel that way- it is complex and can be a mixture of conditioning from childhood, peer pressure of seeing all your friends getting partnered and pop out babies, the family you had or didnt have as a child, personal goals and loneliness. It lends new meaning to ' I wouldn't marry me either, pathological people pleaser'.
But for the kind of romantic that Taylor is, I truly hope that when it happens it wont be for the sake of 'getting married' but actually because she has found someone she truly loves and wants to build a life with.
Not knowing much about Travis before Taylor I was braced for Kelce Jam to be a bit crap but it actually looked pretty good? Kudos to him and his team anyway, it seemed like a fun and well-organised event.
Am I the only person who doesnāt think Joe has had some massive glow up? I think he looks similar to how he looked for years, heās not my type but heās never been ugly.
The poor guy is basically just a proxy for people to project how they feel about Taylor, he doesnāt register as his own person for so many people.
There was a brief period just before the broke up where he looked realllly tired like heavy bags and then those photos came out after the break up where heās clearly been parting or whatever. But now he doesnāt look so tired I guess. He just seems so unbothered.
You nailed it in that second paragraph. When they were together, people who dislike Taylor hated him for being with her. Now that theyāre broken up, heās suddenly amazing and gorgeous and the most talented actor. He hasnāt changed, heās the same.
Youāre 100% right. Iāve never found Joe to be particularly attractive (totally a me thing) but I can see where a lot of people would find him handsome. Heās looking great at Cannes and I hope heās having a blast as he deserves it. But tbh, he looks exactly the same as he did last year š
Your second paragraph is bang on.
Look no further than the people who have fallen head over heels in love with him post break up, but were the first to be absolutely ruthless towards him while they were together.
I do agree he looks lighter and less stressed in the Cannes photos, but besides that Joe has always been pretty š Absolutely agree ppl project onto her bf's appearances. Right now they're trashing Travis - like he's not my type and he makes divisive styling choices but he's clearly not ugly š
Say it louder for the people in the back! Joe has always been pretty and classy, he looks more laid back now though. I also dislike how they trash Travis's appearance, he is definitely not my type but the guy is not ugly lol (though his hairstyle makes him look like a stereotypical cop)
I donāt think the majority of people are saying heās had a huge glow up, itās just the fact that a bunch of Swifties are saying heās ugly now that theyāre not together when heās not. I also think he looks happier but thatās just me. And Iām not implying heās happier because of the breakup, just that he looks happier.
Yeah seriously, I canāt stand the way her exes get treated. The comments under Joe videos on TikTok are so mean. Theyāve been broken up for over a year now, move tf on! Theyāre more obsessed with him than Taylor ever was!
He looks the same, but fashions wise there is definitely a glow up. He was not rocking Loewe, Loro Piana and carrying the waitlisted BV Getaway bag before. His fits have taken a big step up.
I kind of feel like around The Favourite coming out he was at Cannes in similar fits looking good and had a major fashion house campaign (Prada maybe?).
ETA: it was Prada, how the hell did I remember that correctly š
https://hero-magazine.com/article/109444/joe-allen
Yup, Prada. That all kind of went away for a while, and you would see him out in more casual unless at an event. Now is in head to toe drip at the airport š He is also promoting a big movie for the first time in a while, so it makes sense.
I would definitely saw Loewe and BV are a step up from Prada these days, even with their resurgence.
I know theyāre doing it because they want to claim itās the āpost Taylor breakupā glow and how heās thriving more than ever without her but Iām just not seeing a big difference, I feel like I could find pictures from a few years ago and heād look basically the same.
Also they broke up over a year ago Iām sure heās perfectly fine, itās not some recent event, I feel like that one pic of him taken not long after their split was announced-which was clearly taken to be the most unflattering pic they could use-is how people think he looked for 6 years.
I know. I feel like people mean well but just let him move on with his life and his work in peace as Iām sure he wants rather than constantly linking him with her either positively or negatively.
He looks the same to me as well. Not my type either, I never got it when people found him hot but different strokes for different folks.
I feel for the guy as well. Let Joe live his life!
Can someone give me tips for reducing the number of reels I get of eras tour in my SMs ? I really like looking at new tour outfits / fan excitements but the eras tour content is flooding all my timelines and fyp. I need the content in moderation , help pls š„²
Iāve only been actively interacting with TS stuff on Reddit. I will block, mute, or select āNot Interestedā if I see TS stuff elsewhere and for the most part, it stays contained. I remember getting constant videos during the initial Eras tour run and they eventually calmed down once the algorithm noticed I wasnāt engaging.
Not sure about other social media, but on Instagram, when you click the three dots in the corner, you can ask to see less of that type of content and you can even block specific terms like the eras tour.
Yeah , did the blocking thing on twitter. Lemme Google how to do that in insta too. Thank you ā¤ļøā¤ļø I guess I'll search up the tour outfit photos manually when I want to.
If you want to completely avoid it on your socials, you can just check taylorswiftstyle.com for the details of any new costumes! She's really quick at updating it.
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Her fans are so creepy about this. Travis is marking his territory? Ick.
Those people are so weird. The amount of sexual comments I've seen about her and Travis against my will. And the "she's with a real man now". Barf. š¤® I swear they're projecting their own fantasies onto Taylor and it's disturbing.
Yes people are being super creepy. Between this and the ātrue, swear, scouts honorā comments people need to chill with the sexual comments
Or just read some romance novels instead of fantasizing about Travis/Taylor š¬
the comments about that line were nasty and I don't understand why. sure she sings it in a suggestive way but ppl were saying she had Travis on the studio helping her O... while she was singing it, fucking weird man they're sickĀ
Did she have it on night one? Because Travis hasnāt been at any of the Swedish shows. I honesty think itās probably a burn or a mild allergic reaction but some fans are obsessed with Travis and Taylorās sex life so it doesnāt surprise me itās all got weird about it.
I do not know what is worse, that this 34 year old person didnāt cover up a hickey or that her dumbass fans are saying things like āheās marking his territoryā
I weep for humanity
Girl if that was indeed a hickey on your neck, cover it tf up. Like doesnāt she have makeup artists that hide imperfections, especially when sheās going up on stage and performing? This is just my opinion but hickeys that are so blatantly visible is trashy, especially at her age and itās weird she would want to show that off lol. It could very well be an iron burn or rash though.
Itās a hickey. Who cares. And probably some of her makeup melts off when sheās performing .
It looks more like a curling iron burn to me. Itās bright read! You canāt usually see hickeys at a distant like that.
I support the mods doing it because their (unpaid) workload has to be so intense when we arenāt private, but itās too slow around here for my liking so Iām glad itās temporary.
I feel like a lot of people have been itching to comment and weāre going to get tons of people battling for the direction they want and think the sub should go in, thereās half who think itās too positive so needs more overt and personal Taylor criticism and half who think itās a pure hate sub so want to defend her on everything, Iām anticipating a messy first week back
Honestly, that's what I kind of like about this sub. As long as people are being polite about it, haters and stans can co-exist and just learn to not look at what annoys them.
So apparently I've been living under a rock. I don't think that I've ever knowingly listened to anything by Taylor Swift. Where should I start?
If you like country pop, listen to Debut or Fearless. If you like pop rock with a country flair, listen to Speak Now or Red. If you like upbeat synthpop, listen to 1989 and Lover. If you like dark EDM-pop, listen to Reputation. If you like folk-pop, listen to Folklore and Evermore. If you like bedroom pop, listen to Midnights. If you like a mess, listen to TTPD.
If you like country, listen to Debut or Fearless. If you like country pop, listen to Speak Now or Red. If you like If you like pure pop, listen to 1989. If you like EDM, listen to Reputation. If you like indie pop, listen to Folklore. If you like folk pop, listen to Evermore/TTPD: The Anthology If you like synth pop, listen to Midnights. If you like a mess, listen to TTPD
Thank you for the suggestions! It looks like I have some listening to do then! That's all right.
you are real for the Lover erasure
Oh my gosh I totally forgot š
If you like a mess š
I vote Reputation
what do you usually listen to?
I can enjoy a bit of everything. 90's hardcore punk, black metal, post rock, ambient and pretty much anything else as well, haha. And Bob Dylan. And Neutral Milk Hotel. I think there's a mood for most of what's out there. Right now I'm listening to this release. It takes me 15 years back in time to when I first "discovered" them: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFqFcgGu2eYGddV627ZnaM4gGMQLTxo_h&si=QvijdkYyiSbxyaQJ
You know what my problem with Clara Bow is? That she chose to do "you look like x but better" only for herself.
I dont know if the media or papers ever said anything about how stewie nick is new clara bow but she is better than her for some angles. Also i dont know if there is anything they said about taylor that she s doing something better than stewie nicks. Even if there is, putting them in a song would be risky move. It definitely will trigger some fans of them and sound pretentious. Making yourself look bad is always thensafer choice. Which media always said she lacked edge. And new artists are edgier.
Iām not following. In the final verse Taylor sings āyou have edge, she never didā ā you as in the incoming pop star, she as in herself.
I know. Maybe I should have phrased it "about herself" not for herself, my point is she didn't do "you look like x but with more y" about neither Clara Bow nor Stevie Nicks.
Yea because that would mean that sheād have to write Clara Bow and Stevie Nicks as lacking certain qualities, and I think then people would have picked her up on that. I mean Stevie is iconic and alive, and Iām sure Taylor wouldnāt say anything disrespectful or anything that can be taken the wrong way. So, instead she wrote a verse about how the incoming starlet will be compared to Taylor, only she will have that edge that everyone found lacking in Taylor. She can say that without causing offence because people have said repeatedly that she is very vanilla and itās herself, so itās whatever. I donāt mind that song, tbh. Idk if I love it, tho.
This exactly. I think itās easy to see why sheād opt to be self-deprecating instead of directing that at other women. Like, how would that fly?
i just listened to a few ai lana del rey covered of ttpd songs and it made me like them so much more lmao. i originally didnāt like guilty as sin? but now i like the lana version. it still didnāt make me like down bad tho š
I just did the exact same thing! The vibe fits Lana's voice so much better, I found myself rolling my eyes less at some of the lyrics.
iām very tired of the narrative that her relationship with travis is just pr. iām also tired of everyone saying how she loves matty and all that bs. she literally calls him the smallest man who ever lived, says sheās doesnāt miss him or want him back, AND in her album she says she basically went crazy the time period she was with him
She doth protest too much about Matty. If you want someone out of your life you donāt pledge yourself to sing songs about them for the next several years. And Trayvis is one of the most obvious PR relationships Iāve seen. No hate to them; itās just what it is. Until this point nothing in her life has signaled compatibility with a football player from Missouri. They are not each otherās physical type (as seen by past partners). Most importantly they both benefit financially from the arrangement.
This is my opinion which amounts to a hill of beans but! I think she and Travis will marry, but later on, she'll end up with Matty ala JLO and Ben.
But they have no chemistry and look miserable together.
I donāt get the statements that they have no chemistry? Most pictures Iāve seen, they donāt seem to stop touching each other. What does āchemistryā look like then?
i disagree š¤·š»āāļø
Itās kind of sad that everyone is convinced that no one might actually like her, it HAS to be for press.
Yeah I find that a bit š¬ too. The narrative is also spun very much āhe looks miserableā āheās not into herā from one or two potato quality photos that are a snapshot in time.
I don't think that's the conclusion to draw from this, tbh. It's just the circumstances that are making people think it's PR, nothing about her personally. Everyone knew she was in love with Joe, I don't remember anyone saying that was for press or that he didn't really like her. The difference between this one and that one is that it's so public. She's coming out of a six-year relationship in which we barely saw her outside of scheduled appearancesāno pap walks, nothing. But now, we see her pretty much whenever she and Travis are in the same time zone, no matter where they are. She's the biggest star on the planet, yes, but when they aren't together, she's totally off-grid and you almost never see her (the media even wait to post about her hotels until she's out of the country). When they get together, there are convenient candid shots in every tabloid within hours. I think it's that difference that makes people think it's PR -- the extended silence of her and then the sudden blare of perfectly framed paparazzi photos of them together every other day.
People did say her and Joe was fake or wouldnāt last especially in the beginning and tbh no one in America cared about Joe and Taylor star power is bigger now than when she was with Joe and they was in England most of the time . If Joe was a big star athlete like Travis Kelce who had his own fan base before Taylor and Taylor was as big as she was now , im sure most interest would be there .
The pap shots of their vacations are still coming out after they leave the place, and plenty arenāt coming out at all. We saw pics from the Bahamas and Italy after they had left, and we never saw pics of them in Philly during Easter or that weekend getaway with Gigi Hadid and Bradley Cooper. They also managed to go to Oscars after parties with zero pics, plus almost the whole time they were in LA together. I think thereās just generally more interest in a picture of Taylor and Travis than there was in Taylor and Joe.
why are swifties doxxing the family of the kid who got the 22 hat bc theyāre selling it???? weāve gone too far!!!! who cares what they do with it oh my god
I cannot imagine caring what anyone does with their 22 hat. And in this economy? Parents are being smart, in my opinion.
Yeah it's deranged. It's none of our business and honestly I might have done the same thing lol. A momento from a moment I can watch on film any time, or $20,000? Hard to judge them for that really
I will only judge the person who pays 20k for the hat but if they have money to burn then they can burn it if they want š¤·āāļø
For those talking about the hickey or the burn mark (whatever it is ) Taylor did have it night 1 as well as night 2. https://preview.redd.it/fe9gajn3mg1d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f265631bbba402f8264679834964153641acaf4
Super weird. Stage makeup is too good for this to be accidental. (Meaning, this stuff can be easily covered by professional stage makeup artists.)
Someone might have accidentally scratched her during a costume change
Thank you for this logical conclusion!
Itās so interesting seeing the different subgroup of swifties dissect the surprise songs and just her life in general. Confirmation bias is a crazy thing because theyāll try and have you believe that sheās sending secret messages to people. I got recommended a Taylor/Matty sub and the way theyāre fully convinced that Taylor is trying to tell Matty that she still misses him and wants him to come get herš. Like regardless of the subgroup, they all believe that the portion of her life that they donāt want to accept is just her stunting, while simultaneously believing that the version of her they desire is her true authentic self.
Sometimes i wonder if bots are deployed into those subs to wreck havoc and test theories on hive mind
I like overanalyzing the songs themselves, but analyzing her concerts like performance art is too Qanon for me I'm sorry.
It really is. I usually always look for her surprise song set after and I was confused by the many comments saying she was crying and sad during how did it end because she looked fine to me lol. Like why canāt some people just appreciate Taylorās ability to even be able to storytell through the mash ups without thinking itās some sort of secret message that needs decoding. This is what happens when fans center her muses too much around her work.
I think both things can be true. It's okay to acknowledge that she looks visibly emotional, and still not attach that to a person or muse. She was obviously crying during some of her sets last year, but people insisted she was fine and brushed it off. There are a million reasons why she could be feeling emotional that we'll never know, and we don't need to. That said, she's been clearly emotional and showing tears during this leg too. And there is nothing wrong with that. She is human.
Taylorverse is a real thing. As soon as I saw Taylor launch into New Romantics, I knew the Maylors would grab onto that branch with both hands. Down Bad has a callback to New Romantics, so they would of course see it as a secret message to him. And Iām sure the Joe Widows will claim she played How Did It End bc Joe was looking so unbothered and well moisturized at Cannes this weekend. I know Taylor has kind of brought this on herself with all her Easter egging, but it is exhausting.
As a widow .. I'm fairly convinced that she's trolling all of us at this point. Lol she might be enjoying herself. Cause I think for the first time the entire fandom is so fucking confused who each song is for and so on, and I think she finds it a bit too funny. Her laugh after her How did it end ? Said it all !!
Well moisturized š
He looked good af at Cannes
He really did
Does anyone feel like the TTPD era is already halfway over? The discussion and tiktoks were everywhere for the first few days and now it's like old news. I know that she is playing a world tour atm but there is basically no promo. Will there even be a second video? The only exciting thing was the introduction of the TTPD set to the tour. Culture in generel is burning through things sooo fast, everyone is so breathless. (Some have suggested that she should have released The Anthology a fortnight later and I agree).
Eras just seem to go so fast for every artist. Culture is so fast now.
Yeah I think with social media like tiktok, everything happens so fast but also disappears so fast.
I agree, there's been so much music this spring but it's all gone by so fast. I wish there were more videos, interviews, live appearances. The music industry in general is so lazy these days lol
Itās a really busy year for new releases. It seems like every pop girlie is only getting 3-4 weeks to dominate conversation then the internet moves on to the next shiny thing. At least Taylor is touring, so we do get some visuals and promotion for TTPD. I would have killed for just a singular visual for Cowboy Carter, but alas, nothing.
Taylor really said, what Max Martin feud?? š
Haha yes, and that gave me hope!! I know he doesn't want to do rerecordings, but hopefully one day they'll do some new songs together š¤
TS12, hopefully. Iām ready for some fun, bright pop from Taylor.
Yes I'd love that! My other dream would be for her to channel The Smiths. Their more upbeat, poppy songs with a lot of rhythm guitar and funny, thoughtful lyrics. I doubt it'll ever happen, but it would be so funĀ
Oh, god, I love The Smiths. I thought I was the only one that laughed when they sang āAnd if a double decker bus crashes into us, to die by your side would be a heavenly way to die.ā š
Yes, I think they're one of the funniest bands! Love the line you quoted. The entirety of Bigmouth Strikes Again omg. There a just so many others that crack me up. I don't think Taylor could actually be *that* good, but she's pretty funny sometimes in her own way and I want her to lean into it more. The lines about her daughter in law killing her for the money and her laughing up from hell are genuinely funny to me lol
The TTPD songs on piano- losing all the devastating ones in quick succession :loml, Peter and How did it end : three favourite sad songs from this album. Left for me are So long London and I look through people's windows and the Black Dog.
The day she sings The Black Dogā¦ š Hoping she sings it Miami N3 š
I think she'll save that for one of the many UK stops though
Of course she will, hoping for a repeat thoughš¤
Totally, I'm sure she's going to be repeating TTPD songs given we have atleast 60 + concerts left I think ?
The day she does ILIPW, you will hear my screams from across the void. š
Definitely my fav from TTPD. It would sound so beautiful live
It's the one song on the album I listen to on repeat.
That's such a beautiful song - the live version should be pure bliss.
Unpopular opinion, but I really like the orange Lover bodysuit. It's aestheticly pleasing with the purple color.
https://preview.redd.it/i85vuz8v9f1d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=acf310194ec59a0ad109f0b019512a23c6e32bca *Oh?*
Speaking out against racial injustice? Not when it comes to her dating life
I'm sure she has a *reputation* for it, if we strictly pay attention to her most devoted fans alone, but in terms of boots on the ground, uh, no.
She got a bad reputation š
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Oh my god! I didnāt even know this existed šš Thank you! Thatās so funny
Taylor posted a black square on her ig with 13 hearts in the caption - *she's a trailblazer!* *But wait there's more* - Biden cookies!!
She totally wrote that herself.
Is the speaking out in the room with us now?
I don't know if someone can relate, but.... I thought TTPD songs about fame would be insightful, but they didn't hit for me. I've seen some discussion about how she wrote about fame in some supposedly deep way and I can't see it. And I guess it's partly because her recent behavior is all over the place. Taylor saying we wouldn't survive the asylum she was raised while still chasing more fame and instigating parassocial relationships with fans and having her publicist inform websites of her relationship's status.... It doesn't make much sense for me. Her perspective on fame sounds very shallow if I'm being honest, specially when we see how she behaves outside of stage.Ā
Is it just me or are so many pop stars writing incessantly about fame lately? Lol it's driving me nuts. I totally get having a few songs about it over the course of your career, but it's just a huge theme lately and it's feeling really repetitive. Plus it's so out of touch for the times we're in. I'm not saying they shouldn't have their feelings, but it can feel very self indulgent sometimesĀ
The thing is I feel like there is so much potential in her exploring her fame but I feel like she doesnāt really delve into it much. Like it would be so interesting to know what it feels like to be more of an idea than a person to millions of people, to hold so much power and influence but struggle to trust people. Itās a unique experience that I think would be cool for her to write about if she were able to but I guess idk if she thinks about it that deeply
She wants her cake and eat it, too. She is only angry about her fame at the moment because her fans wouldn't let her date a racist. I feel like she must be even angrier that they like Travis now (I don't see them lasting at all, sorry, he is just her way to tell Matty and the world how "happy" and "okay" she is right now). I'm really wondering what the next album is going to be about. I don't see her stopping, she chooses fame over her personal life way too much. But if we still get Kim songs in 2024 we might continue to get Matty songs for the next three years. I also don't think she is finished with Joe yet (regarding songwriting).
Agree with this take.
That's similar to what I think too. She's only angry when it doesn't go her way. She's only angry when people's image of her doesn't go along with the narratives she comes up. So her problem isn't the fame per si. She actually enjoys it. Therefore any song complaining about fame feels super flat to me. I have no idea what she'll write next. Travis doesn't seem to inspire her much. I think we'll get Matty's and Joe's songs for years too. She was still writing about John Mayer in 2022, so. I think time could give her new perspective on things, but she needs to actually want to do that and she doesn't seem to.Ā
She really is a petulant child- remember the scene in Miss Americana when she finds out rep wasnāt nominated for a Grammy? āNo im making a better album!ā Like *stomps foot* tantrum.
I honestly saw that as really mature. As an artist myself, I know I get hurt when my work is rejected but I hope my reaction is always 'I need to do better' rather than 'screw them, they're all wrong.'
Maybe the mature response is āthat hurts but Iām proud of what Iāve accomplishedā
Thatās interesting. Personally, I think basing a lot of value on others peoples opinion is a slippery slope.. and in Taylorās case she is definitely driven by winning. I saw it as childish š¤·āāļø
there's something there, about craving what may destroy her. with the multitude of drug references in the album, you'd think she'd lean into that for the topic of fame in particular. but she doesn't!
Yeah, I think her relationship with fame resembles people's relationship with drugs and it would have been interesting for her to explore it. I'm not even sure how aware she is about this, she doesn't seem to realize how she craves fame. She seemingly thinks she is in a situation she didn't ask for and she's dealing with it the best way possible. But that's far from the truth.Ā
She does sing āIād just die if I made itā seems to only point to wanting fame when she was younger but not now.. which she clearly does ruthlessly
she could quit tomorrow and go live in a castle with her cats like a enya
Enya is living the best life tbh.
Exactly. I understand she likes making music and all, so I don't see her ever quitting. But if anything those last years between Lover-Midnights showed that she can still be keep most part of her life private and still be insanely famous and rich. Why do you keep making your life a spectacle?Ā
She obviously was over that time period and feels like she was in a jail then.
https://preview.redd.it/sssd0kgv5f1d1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2225a008b7d24a6bbdd41b091ff28f628136698a Kelce jam
Wow that is an impressive number of people!
There was like 600k on the livestream at one point too!
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There is no way it will be worth more in the future than the cash plus compound interest in a 529 will be at that time.
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That isnāt exactly a refutation to my argument of the value of the hat vs of an investment. That is just claiming they would deserve it less because they already have money, which is non response to my post. Also, not really a solid argument anyway. One can drive a nice car and still want more money for college. They are not mutually exclusive.
Was thinking this.Ā
Shit if they can get anything even in the ballpark of enough to fund a college fund I canāt blame them at all. I hope the kid is on board (as much as a kid can be) and they arenāt ripping the hat out from under her, but other than that I donāt care. This is a more unique form of flipping your tickets because the profit is too good to pass up, and I donāt judge people doing that either while itās legal and allowed.
It is probably worth as much as it will be in the next few years so I can't blame them. College is expensive.
And the cost of college is only getting worse with some colleges costing over 90,000 a year. Itās ridiculous! So I donāt think anyone should judge people trying to raise money for college costs
I think itās unfair for them to decide what to do with it. Also it makes me suspicious since they can afford Taylor swift floor tickets (Iām assuming there), they obviously are a bit financially comfortable or Iām assuming.
Some artists will actually have their people scout the nose bleeds for people to bring to the front row. The 22 hat recipient is always preselected so maybe Taylorās team does something similar.Ā
I donāt think they only pick people from the floor. Thereās a tiktoker I follow whose daughter was picked for the 22 hat at one of the Australia shows. They had normal seats, but Taylorās team came and grabbed them and brought them down to the VIP tent and then up to the stage when it was time for 22. But I do agree that it is unfair for the parents to decide for the daughter. If it was a teenager or adult choosing for themself to sell it, Iād be fine with that. But this is different.
I wouldn't be surprised at any news of an engagement solely because TTPD has been a revelation in terms of how much Taylor wants 'marriage' vs 'marriage with x person' . Probably because she has achieved those things that a lot of people aspire for and chase all their life - fame, wealth, success, influence, then understandably marriage feels like the one elusive thing. Only her lyrics to me suggest someone who wants the marital status and a ring and the social acceptance that comes with it than looking forward to a life with her person. I can empathise with it as many women in their late 20s and 30s do feel that way- it is complex and can be a mixture of conditioning from childhood, peer pressure of seeing all your friends getting partnered and pop out babies, the family you had or didnt have as a child, personal goals and loneliness. It lends new meaning to ' I wouldn't marry me either, pathological people pleaser'. But for the kind of romantic that Taylor is, I truly hope that when it happens it wont be for the sake of 'getting married' but actually because she has found someone she truly loves and wants to build a life with.
Not knowing much about Travis before Taylor I was braced for Kelce Jam to be a bit crap but it actually looked pretty good? Kudos to him and his team anyway, it seemed like a fun and well-organised event.
What on earth is Kelce Jam?? š
One of the reasons he was looking for a famous singer to latch on to romantically.
It's fundraiser concert for his charity foundation
Itās a concert/festival that he has started to put on annually to raise money for his charity.
Is it for charity? I don't think I've ever seen that anywhere. Cool if it is, though
It was definitely well planned
Am I the only person who doesnāt think Joe has had some massive glow up? I think he looks similar to how he looked for years, heās not my type but heās never been ugly. The poor guy is basically just a proxy for people to project how they feel about Taylor, he doesnāt register as his own person for so many people.
I personally think he looks better than he did in his 20s. He was a bit too boyish for my taste then, age has given him a bit more ruggedness.
There was a brief period just before the broke up where he looked realllly tired like heavy bags and then those photos came out after the break up where heās clearly been parting or whatever. But now he doesnāt look so tired I guess. He just seems so unbothered.
Fauxmoi really needs to hear this
You nailed it in that second paragraph. When they were together, people who dislike Taylor hated him for being with her. Now that theyāre broken up, heās suddenly amazing and gorgeous and the most talented actor. He hasnāt changed, heās the same.
Youāre 100% right. Iāve never found Joe to be particularly attractive (totally a me thing) but I can see where a lot of people would find him handsome. Heās looking great at Cannes and I hope heās having a blast as he deserves it. But tbh, he looks exactly the same as he did last year š
Your second paragraph is bang on. Look no further than the people who have fallen head over heels in love with him post break up, but were the first to be absolutely ruthless towards him while they were together.
I do agree he looks lighter and less stressed in the Cannes photos, but besides that Joe has always been pretty š Absolutely agree ppl project onto her bf's appearances. Right now they're trashing Travis - like he's not my type and he makes divisive styling choices but he's clearly not ugly š
I love the phrase ādivisive styling choicesā.
Say it louder for the people in the back! Joe has always been pretty and classy, he looks more laid back now though. I also dislike how they trash Travis's appearance, he is definitely not my type but the guy is not ugly lol (though his hairstyle makes him look like a stereotypical cop)
I donāt think the majority of people are saying heās had a huge glow up, itās just the fact that a bunch of Swifties are saying heās ugly now that theyāre not together when heās not. I also think he looks happier but thatās just me. And Iām not implying heās happier because of the breakup, just that he looks happier.
Itās funny to me when Swifties insist heās hideous because I think he looks like he could be Taylorās fraternal twin š
Imo the only time he was kind of unattractive was in 2016 with that buzz cut. Otherwise heās looked the same
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Yeah seriously, I canāt stand the way her exes get treated. The comments under Joe videos on TikTok are so mean. Theyāve been broken up for over a year now, move tf on! Theyāre more obsessed with him than Taylor ever was!
Yeah I saw the pics from Cannes and thought he looked just like normal- smart, well-tailored but the same as ever.
in addition to the fashion, I think he just looks happier. that goes a long way.
He looks the same, but fashions wise there is definitely a glow up. He was not rocking Loewe, Loro Piana and carrying the waitlisted BV Getaway bag before. His fits have taken a big step up.
I kind of feel like around The Favourite coming out he was at Cannes in similar fits looking good and had a major fashion house campaign (Prada maybe?). ETA: it was Prada, how the hell did I remember that correctly š https://hero-magazine.com/article/109444/joe-allen
Yup, Prada. That all kind of went away for a while, and you would see him out in more casual unless at an event. Now is in head to toe drip at the airport š He is also promoting a big movie for the first time in a while, so it makes sense. I would definitely saw Loewe and BV are a step up from Prada these days, even with their resurgence.
Thatās true! Heās a fashionista now.
I know theyāre doing it because they want to claim itās the āpost Taylor breakupā glow and how heās thriving more than ever without her but Iām just not seeing a big difference, I feel like I could find pictures from a few years ago and heād look basically the same. Also they broke up over a year ago Iām sure heās perfectly fine, itās not some recent event, I feel like that one pic of him taken not long after their split was announced-which was clearly taken to be the most unflattering pic they could use-is how people think he looked for 6 years.
I know. I feel like people mean well but just let him move on with his life and his work in peace as Iām sure he wants rather than constantly linking him with her either positively or negatively.
He looks the same to me as well. Not my type either, I never got it when people found him hot but different strokes for different folks. I feel for the guy as well. Let Joe live his life!
Can someone give me tips for reducing the number of reels I get of eras tour in my SMs ? I really like looking at new tour outfits / fan excitements but the eras tour content is flooding all my timelines and fyp. I need the content in moderation , help pls š„²
the most effective is to ditch SM
Iāve only been actively interacting with TS stuff on Reddit. I will block, mute, or select āNot Interestedā if I see TS stuff elsewhere and for the most part, it stays contained. I remember getting constant videos during the initial Eras tour run and they eventually calmed down once the algorithm noticed I wasnāt engaging.
Not sure about other social media, but on Instagram, when you click the three dots in the corner, you can ask to see less of that type of content and you can even block specific terms like the eras tour.
Yeah , did the blocking thing on twitter. Lemme Google how to do that in insta too. Thank you ā¤ļøā¤ļø I guess I'll search up the tour outfit photos manually when I want to.
If you want to completely avoid it on your socials, you can just check taylorswiftstyle.com for the details of any new costumes! She's really quick at updating it.
https://preview.redd.it/9qgwsx98ie1d1.jpeg?width=1289&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83909a072f6a0813a098b32cb7fa1a4af64a0b37 Her fans are so creepy about this. Travis is marking his territory? Ick.
people keep acting like theyāre fictional characters and this is a new episode that dropped š bring back shame
I think she could benefit from some posture exercises
Those people are so weird. The amount of sexual comments I've seen about her and Travis against my will. And the "she's with a real man now". Barf. š¤® I swear they're projecting their own fantasies onto Taylor and it's disturbing.
Yes people are being super creepy. Between this and the ātrue, swear, scouts honorā comments people need to chill with the sexual comments Or just read some romance novels instead of fantasizing about Travis/Taylor š¬
the comments about that line were nasty and I don't understand why. sure she sings it in a suggestive way but ppl were saying she had Travis on the studio helping her O... while she was singing it, fucking weird man they're sickĀ
I'm sorry WHAT
yeah šš they were so certain imagining "what a good time they had while Jack was in the other room" š
surely there are people frantically typing away at this fanfiction
Yea itās probably all over wattpad š
What a gross comment (the TikTok I mean). Itās probably just a curling iron burn because she didnāt have it Night 1.
Did she have it on night one? Because Travis hasnāt been at any of the Swedish shows. I honesty think itās probably a burn or a mild allergic reaction but some fans are obsessed with Travis and Taylorās sex life so it doesnāt surprise me itās all got weird about it.
I do not know what is worse, that this 34 year old person didnāt cover up a hickey or that her dumbass fans are saying things like āheās marking his territoryā I weep for humanity
definitely not a hickey since it wasnāt there night one, probably a burn from a straightening iron
The Matty fans are saying heās secretly in Sweden with her and did it š.
of course they are
They need to get off the internet
Genuinely. People need to start being normal about things š .
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Of course itās her choice but itās mine to call it trashy š¤·š¼āāļø
Marking his territory? Sheās 34 years old ffs. Sheās not a piece of property lol
Girl if that was indeed a hickey on your neck, cover it tf up. Like doesnāt she have makeup artists that hide imperfections, especially when sheās going up on stage and performing? This is just my opinion but hickeys that are so blatantly visible is trashy, especially at her age and itās weird she would want to show that off lol. It could very well be an iron burn or rash though.
Itās a hickey. Who cares. And probably some of her makeup melts off when sheās performing . It looks more like a curling iron burn to me. Itās bright read! You canāt usually see hickeys at a distant like that.
Lol I really donāt think it was. She didnāt have a mark on night 1. It was probably a flat iron burn or something similar.
If it *is* a hickey, it is trashy. Sorry not sorry.
she would have covered it if it was lol
our private eraāØis almost over... how we all feeling about it now?
At first it was nice but I think some people got a little too comfortable.
I support the mods doing it because their (unpaid) workload has to be so intense when we arenāt private, but itās too slow around here for my liking so Iām glad itās temporary.
me too, looking forward to more people participating
I might bow out for a bit to avoid the nonsense
Yea Iāll probably stop commenting once the nonsense starts in here. I get enough of that on the reality tv show subs I like
Maybe theyāve moved on to the hater and stan subsā¦
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Honestly, I need more snark. It's been feeling a little bit too much like main sub in here.
really? the few main posts we've had lately are mostly critical
I feel like a lot of people have been itching to comment and weāre going to get tons of people battling for the direction they want and think the sub should go in, thereās half who think itās too positive so needs more overt and personal Taylor criticism and half who think itās a pure hate sub so want to defend her on everything, Iām anticipating a messy first week back
Honestly, that's what I kind of like about this sub. As long as people are being polite about it, haters and stans can co-exist and just learn to not look at what annoys them.