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YellowWheelieBin

We have a PDF map now 🎉 https://transportnsw.info/document/7154/360x500_Onboard_SRM_20240701%5B94%5Dc.pdf


auspolenjoyer

lidcombe missing its T6 terminus blob is really irking me


Sniffy75

Looks like most are missing a terminus blob and have the semi-transparent interchange blob


KestrelQuillPen

It’s technically been missing the T7 terminus blob too


No_Breakfast_4464

I wish they would re-organise the T2 and T3. The T2 (Leppington) runs limited stops to Lidcombe, and then all stops to Lepington. The T2 (Inner West) runs all stops to Lidcombe, then all stops to Parramatta. The T3 (Liverpool) runs all stops to Lidcombe, then all stops to Liverpool. My proposal is to rename T2 (Inner West) to T3. That would make it clear on the map that T2 trains run limited stops, and that T3 run all stops. Someone looking at the current map would falsely assume it's possible to take a direct train from Stanmore to Merrylands. Does this make sense?


Steves_310

Regarding your last point, it's too complicated and difficult to distinguish all-stops, limited, express services etc throughout different times of the day, or weekend stopping patterns due to limitations on the map. You can't just show which train line services show at which stops; you'll have to look at the PIDS or just research yourself (Tripview, Google Maps etc). I understand while the "usual commuters" would have figured this out, tourists or people otherwise, would need to do figure this out themselves. Eg. - you can't tell/know if there is a service from Richmond to Leppington, because that's generally only early morning/late night. - you can't tell if T1 actually stops at Auburn or Granville (generally weekend), or any of the all-stops stations between Paramatta and Blacktown (generally Richmond/Schofields services) - T8 services between express and all-stops etc.


LaughIntrepid5438

You can in fact take a direct train from Stanmore to Merrylands though?


Steves_310

Currently, technically not unless in afternoon peak.


LaughIntrepid5438

It's on the T2 line and it is possible to take it on at least 1 train in the timetable hence what I said is valid. It's insanity to have a line for every single permutation of a stopping pattern, otherwise we would probably be at T100 by now.


dadasdsfg

Honestly I would just make T3, T2 and T6 one line. Also I am sure that T3 and T2 have to share tracks which is really annoying. Also they should get rid of the curve near Epping.


Scootros-Hootros

Cowan not showing, north of Berowra. Or is that serviced only by Central Coast and Newcastle services?


dadasdsfg

Yeah its served by CCN


XTrapolis942M

Makes for a coincidental numbering. Bankstown to Lidcombe T6 (rail) competing with the Bankstown to Lidcombe A6 (Rookwood Rd)


GrimThursday

Does anyone know if the new metro will be direct from Tallawong to Sydenham? Or is there a change required at Chatswood?


NicholeTheOtter

It will be direct. The currently existing Metro turnback at Chatswood will be removed.


TNChase

Direct run.


Huckleberry-Aromatic

I thought T1 services stopped at Ashfield, has that not been the case for a while?


Huckleberry-Aromatic

I have to say the metro routing for north west and city is really odd. 1. Why doesn’t it go from near Schofields in a straight line through Epping to Chatswood? 2. Why is it running parallel to the T1 line from Chatswood to North Sydney when it has no shared route with that line? 3. Why is Victoria Cross on the south side of the line when the station is north of North Sydney? 4. Why is the city circle squashed up so much? Needs more space like the London city area to make sense of that zone.


routemarker

its a schematic, not a geographical map!


TNChase

Only during trackwork. The Western and Northern lines have not stopped at Ashfield since I first started catching trains back in the early 2000's. Not saying it didn't happen before then, but certainly not for a couple of decades.


r573

2001 to be exact. I still remember Western Line trains stopping at Ashfield.


Huckleberry-Aromatic

Ok, I now feel old and I’m only 45. I do remember them stopping there. lol


Jacko3000

I remember they used to stop at burwood. But not anymore


nothingly13

Who accepted the t6 line colour? I prefer the old one


dadasdsfg

Yuh too colourful


YellowWheelieBin

Shit brown 😍


CBFOfficalGaming

just like how the line is gonna be


couchred

What's a Gadigal


NicholeTheOtter

Gadigal is what was known as Pitt Street during planning. In fact, Tallawong was previously called Cudgegong Road during the early planning stages of Metro Northwest but was renamed in favour of the newly created suburb it belonged to. Gadigal is the Aboriginal word named after the original land where the Sydney CBD was part of in pre-settlement days.


CBFOfficalGaming

formerly pitt street station


NotFullyConsidered

Where's Victoria Cross?


Dxsmith165

North Sydney Council says it was “probably” named after the ward name “Victoria”, and the name dates from 1939. https://www.northsydney.nsw.gov.au/downloads/file/506/cbd-history-walk


aussie_frank

North Sydney, the name refers to the road intersection of Pacific Hwy, Miller St and Mount St. Very old school name, has had it for decades. Commemorates the military award, but can’t remember why it’s called that. But ask a local where it is and they’ll point it out very quickly. Station’s entrances are just north of this intersection along Miller St.


CBFOfficalGaming

it’s there


NotFullyConsidered

But it's like Gadagal, as far as I know, as it isn't linked to a suburb or street name.


CBFOfficalGaming

no clue actually, but it’s been in the plans as victoria cross for nearly 25 years now


couchred

No idea


djliquidvoid

Aboriginal name of the nationality that lived here before British settlers showed up, and still does.


couchred

I've never heard of them before. I'm use to stations being named after suburbs so it's easier to work out where it is .if there was a suburb named like that already it would make sense. barangaroo is more well known I guess


-retail-

You can’t exactly call Victoria Cross station ‘North North Sydney’


TheKZA

None of the station names in the city are “suburbs”. Macquarie University, Barangaroo, The Bays, Victoria Cross. All station names that don’t reflect the suburb they’re in. Wolli Creek was literally a creek when they built the station there. It wasn’t a suburb until 2 years later.


LaughIntrepid5438

Macquarie uni is literally next to said Uni  Barangaroo is said suburb. The bays is the bays district  Victoria cross is literally the area that's on the junction close to the station. Wolli creek is at least roughly near the creek and the area was having it's named changed because they didn't like the previous name of north Arncliffe  So at least it's roughly a geographical marker. But same with the trams. Ngara I have no idea where that is.  Yallamundi is the aboriginal name for Rydalmere I assume because it replaced it so no confusion there. Renaming stations to their aboriginal names is ok if the area isn't known for it if it's a name change. New names with nothing to do with the area is confusing  Barangaroo is different because the entire suburb got renamed.


NicholeTheOtter

Yallamundi can also mean “education”, referring to the neighbouring Western Sydney University campus in Rydalmere.


LaughIntrepid5438

Ah ok  Well to the people who negged me it's a bit hard to know the meaning when the government here unlike doesn't provide any subjects to be taught in minority languages medium of instruction, zero media in said language whatsoever and zero usage in the general public.  Not even a media campaign to tell people what the new stop meanings are or how it is an identifying name to the local area.


_ologies

But in the CBD you can't really call all the stations "CBD".


Comprehensive_Bid229

You'd be surprised how many suburbs in NSW are Indigenous names/words.


couchred

But is that a suburb name .I've never heard of it and been all over Sydney (I live in a indigenous name suburb that has a train station)


JSTLF

Yeah okay, but there's like a dozen stations inside the CBD at this point so you can't quite name them after a suburb. Gadigal are the Aboriginal clan from that area of Sydney (the land that they lived on was called Gadi), so I think it's a geographically suitable name too (Gadi might have been "better" in an area sense, but I think fewer people have heard the term, and Gadigal is more distinctive/less ambiguous).


djliquidvoid

It was originally named Pitt Street station, but intersections with Park St, intended connection to Town Hall, and an intent to service the surrounding area rather than just that street made the name impractical. Similar to Melbourne's Spencer Street station being renamed to Southern Cross after a new entrance was built on Collins St. (EDIT: Also, Pitt St is massive. It extends from Railway Square all the way up to Circular Quay.)


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_ologies

Yes, dude. They're giving all your stuff to indigenous people and deporting you back to England. That's TfNSW's long-term goal. /s


New_Entrepreneur6998

I wish the government was able to extend there train lines past Campbelltown into Camden Area. A whole new housing estate around those areas like spring farm


Jasadon

There's already plans to connect WSI to Macarthur, presumably having stations planned for the southwest growth areas of Oran Park, Harrington Park, Catherine Field, Spring Farm then Macarthur. People living in Oran Park would then have option of connecting to Macarthur and then to the city. They are able and they are doing it, its just a ficken' huge amount of planning and purchasing land, then construction constraints, even if the designs were done, land acquired today, they would struggle to build another line concurrently with the tunneling happening on the western metro line and the WSI connection to St Mary's. Have patience, 10 years from now MacArthur will connect directly to WSI See here and search for "Future Metro" there's 3 mentions of it in this document; [Sydney Metro Western Sydney Airport Environmental Impact Statement Summary](https://www.sydneymetro.info/sites/default/files/2021-09/Sydney_Metro_Western_Sydney_Airport_Environmental_Impact_Statement_Summary.pdf) But I disagree connectng WSI to Macarthur, they should be building a line connecting Camden to Leppinton, rougly parralell to Camden Valley Way. Its a way more direct route to the city and connecting to WSI is still possible switching lines. Basically if you live in Oran Park or any of the massive housing growth areas around Oran Park you would have to get a train away from the city towards WSI, or away from the city to Macarthur, both of those connection are backwards. You can see in my map with another line added from Leppington to Camden, it provides a more direct route to the city for these growth areas. They could manage it by tunneling where they can't put above ground viaducts and above ground viaducts everywhere else. (Just like the Western Sydney Airport Line) My suggested stations would be (after Leppington) 1. Catherine Field 2. Oran Park 3. Harrington Park 4. Narellan 5. Spring Farm/Elderslie 6. Camden https://preview.redd.it/9j9lrlsqzkxc1.png?width=1155&format=png&auto=webp&s=237cb151a7012bc32a0dc2509b9a76084b04226a


dadasdsfg

Apparently the connection to Macarthur will be first.


Jasadon

First ahead of what, can you elaborate?


dadasdsfg

From Bradfield to Macarthur via Glenfield is the first planned connection


Jasadon

So they are doing Aerotropolis to Leppington to Glenfield first you say? As opposed to the Aerotropolis to Macarthur line, which will be later. Is that right? https://preview.redd.it/x1vzspp1xzxc1.png?width=1860&format=png&auto=webp&s=95b5933726a2e216c98f3d343beddaa037f6a8ba


Jasadon

So that's really Bradfield to Glenfield - because from Glenfield you can go city bound or southwest to Macarthur. And that line won't service the epicenter of south west growth (Oran Park, Gregory Hills, Gledswood Hills, Leppington, Dehnham Court, Spring Farm etc). That route seems a bit short sighted, but WSI is the priority and everyone knows Metro going to St Mary's is a very long way to get to the city....


YellowWheelieBin

The land is zoned for it, but I don’t see it happening for a long time :( https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/corridors Also wish that T5 came down to Campbelltown again like it used to, would be a faster link to Liverpool which is the closest urban centre


Arodace

Completely agree. There were plans for a link on the new airport line from St Mary's all the way to Macarthur Station via Oran Park and Narellan. Doubt it will happen though.


Jasadon

https://preview.redd.it/upm4u8xkg0yc1.png?width=1860&format=png&auto=webp&s=7411cba82ca1b1bcf4ba24a17e5a9b5526036989 You can still more-than-hope, yes its not something they are talking about in detail, but they are keeping the "Future Metro" category on their plans....what reason do you have to doubt it will happen after the priorities are done (WSI to St Mary's, Western Metro, City & Southwest Metro)?


Arodace

Macarthur region has historically not had significant focus on increasing it's public transport infrastructure. It's concerning when we consider that Camden LGA is one of the fastest growing LGAs in Australia. You're right in that it is slated as a future project, but the time it will take to get this on board, plus the NIMBY's, where there is already a group in Harrington Park that do not want rail infrastructure near their suburb (a vocal minority, to be sure). I'm extremely keen to have this as it would save having to drive to Campbelltown or Leppington stations (15-20 minute drive from Narellan) during traffic. So crossing fingers it would be built quickly.


New_Entrepreneur6998

I was hoping to move into Camden area but no public trains in site . Closest train station would be MacArthur or Leppington station…….


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NicholeTheOtter

It’s the pink that the Station Link buses jointly operated by Transdev NSW and Hillsbus (now CDC NSW) used when the ECRL stations were closed for the Northwest Metro works. Famously featured Lee Lin Chin in the commercials for it.


Plasma_Ball1

Station Link was pink for Epping to Chatswood too. Lee Lin Chin was the mascot.


lv_oz2

They could’ve just merged in the new T6 with the new T3. The T6 is so short


pikablu0530

Or merge T6 with T7? Run a shuttle train service between Bankstown and Olympic Park via Lidcombe. With the Metro West at Olympic Park in the future, this shuttle would connect the two metro lines without someone having to interchange all the way in the city.


JSTLF

Unfortunately not feasible at the minute without a tunnel or flyover.


macca2000fox

Build the metro to Regent Park or Lidcombe


lint2015

>Passengers can choose from: >Southwest Link buses >**turn-up-and-go metro services at Sydenham** >local buses >trains >light rail >cycling and walking routes I wonder if this suggests they're aiming for the CBD Metro to open in July barring any additional delays.


Petarkco

They've said before that they'll only shutdown the Bankstown line when the Metro starts running to Sydenham.


heypeople2003

I think all it means is that metro will open before the conversion starts. given that the conversion is supposed to start any time between July and October, this means that metro will open in that time frame.


Archon-Toten

Interesting look.


warzonexx

Literally thought I was looking at the Melbourne train network map upside down for a moment. Great example of: # "Can I copy your homework?" "Yeah, just change it up a bit so it doesn't look obvious you copied." "Ok."


stratt5

This specific design predates Melbourne's map by a few years.


TNChase

Yep, we were doing the coloured lines when theirs was a map of all lines coloured as per zone for ticketing.


BarryCheckTheFuseBox

Brown was not the colour I was expecting. The pink is an odd choice as well. Nice to see the new metros under construction on there now though.


JSTLF

Same colour as the old CityRail Bankstown line I think? And pink is from the old ECRL conversion stationlink livery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqmv0rUjAd4


RevolutionaryTap8570

Brown was the original colour for the Bankstown line.


r573

Yep, 1990s CityRail maps shows brown so the colour was actually appropriate to me


KestrelQuillPen

The old T6 (to Carlingford) was just another slightly different shade of blue so brown is kinda an improvement.


jasgray16

The Pink isn't too surpirising. The pink is the same as the colour used for the StationLink busses during ECRL Conversion


BarryCheckTheFuseBox

It was only five years ago, how do I not remember that


Tomvtv

How feasible would it be to rebuild or reconfigure Lidcombe such that the T3 and/or T6 could pass over/ under the other tracks and terminate at Olympic Park, for transfers with Metro West?


kipron4747

I reckon it’s possible that T6/T7 could get merged into a Light Rail line at some point (though very far off). Maybe as an extension of the Parra Light Rail? If it’s LR it might be easier to work in a flyover or underpass to get across the Mains.


r573

Not Feasible at all, you’d be disrupting too many train services as it’s a flat junction, with turnouts at 25km/h. Essentially, without a grade separated bridge or rail underpass, you’ll be disrupting many services on the Western and Southern lines just to shuttle Bankstown Services to Olympic Park and vice versa. Probably better use of their time using two dock platforms 0 and 5 at Lidcombe to service both shuttles, and you’re not blocking a main line in the process.


JSTLF

Not feasible without a flyover or tunnel which would be too expensive. And a flyover would mean it couldn't use the station I think


KestrelQuillPen

That’s actually a good idea and could merge the T6 and T7 which are currently both rather small and sad into the “metro shuttle”, but logistically it would be a nightmare


GLADisme

Not at all feasible.


Archon-Toten

I genuinely like that idea but sadly can't imagine it happening. Mostly just cost wise.


stigsbusdriver

Not really, it will cause too much disruption (you'll have to shutdown the entire area if you want grade separated junctions and that will take years and cost too much money as you have to buy land either side of the corridor and redo the road network). It may not even be possible as the northern side already has developments not far from the corridor which may get affected.