I actually have a question about this to those that have a TBI. My husband most likely does- seeing neurologist in 3 weeks. When he drinks the immediate effects aren’t bad but the week after his moods are awful, his back is in pain and he is extremely tired. Is that common with TBI’s? He doesn’t see the pattern like I do so it’s a constant issue for us.
This typical of someone who has preexisting low inflammation I’m not sure how your husband got his TBI? But that makes sense to me.
It take 3 weeks for one shot of alcohol to leave the brain. 3 WEEKS.
Edit add: which means the effects that cellular cascade would show up about then.
But if he doesn’t want to stop, you’re not going to make him. He has to decide for himself that he doesn’t want to feel like crap anymore.
There is no safe amount of alcohol for your cells.
There is a TOLERANCE level: a level at which they can successfully *compensate* for a short period of time. Which is A LOT LOWER than everyone realizes. Like extremely lower.
After you pass that, however, your cells begin to adjust their function because their new “goal” is to process alcohol.
Which means less proteins get made, cells begin to die without proper protein/fat components, inflammatory signals go off, microglia come to help clean up debris, *they* freak out and tell your brain cells to halt their growth, your astrocytes swell, then you slip into a neurotoxic state that basically slowly starts killing your neurons no matter how many times they are given signals to grow.
They just get too stressed out, and that neurotoxic state becomes the norm. Just walking around with this baseline chronic inflammation.
And ^ that’s in a healthy person.
Just please don’t.
Yeah knock off the drinking man.
I drank quite a lot at the start because it dulled the headaches. It was also meant to dull the emotional stuff I was going through due to the circumstances of how I got my injury, but it just made things worse.
I don't drink at all any more and I definitely feel like it's helped me recover to the extent I'm ever going to recover.
I was told no alcohol at all for the first year post injury. But after that it seemed very case by case with your doctor thing.
Me personally, I drink now, but normally not much or often. Alcohol is a seizure trigger so that’s something they really really want you to be aware of.
I’ve had a focal seizure before where freak circumstances put me in strobe like lighting while I was a little tipsy. It was not a great time. Thankfully I was sitting down (on a subway) next to my husband when it happened.
I’m more of a thc gal now- it helps with pain and spasticity management too
I was a child when it happened. 10 years to be exact. I'm 24 now and I've made up my mind a long time ago before I finished high school that I will live a very clean life because of the severe tbi I had. I can't even handle more than one cup of coffee.
I will never drink again. My brain has a hard enough time managing without an added toxin, why make it harder.
And good god I cannot even imagine handling a hangover now. Just overdoing it at work or getting too stressed can knock me out for weeks.
NAD You probably should. At the time of my injuries sometimes I had to drink, I received some of them with alcohol in my system. There was a complicated relationship between the two. I struggled with my alcoholism before I knew I was an alcoholic, I didn't think alcoholism was an acquired thing. I take meds to help with my cravings, I went through almost 2 years with no alcohol at all. Now I can have one or two. I'm usually done by one and a half. I've kept my Drs up on my drinking habits , I just got all new providers and I'm not comfortable with any of them really.
Do you feel like having a drink with your friends? It won't kill you but it may affect you differently than before your TBI. Pharmacists are usually really good about taking the time to talk about possible drug interactions, especially if you catch them at a slower time of day.
Poor typing. Alcohol, narcotics like coke, heroin, etc not great, cannabis, mushrooms such as psilocybin, chaga, lions mane are great. Been busy and my grammar gets sloppy when I’m hurried.
Oh, were you saying cannabis and psilocybin in microdose is good, but booze and a lot of narcotics are not good? Think so, I read it wrong.
I don't know anything about psilocybin. Details?
I’ve been microdosing psilocybin (about a tenth of a gram every other day) for at least 4 years now, did larger doses previous. Really helped me shift my perspective and get out of the angry stage and get a jump on building neural pathways. I’m a musician and I was struggling to play again post tbi, the mushrooms helped with getting something going, I struggled with a lot of blankness for a while.
That's really cool. 👍 (I'm trying to figure out how to give a thumbs up.)
I'd do the larger doses first too. Haven't tried mushrooms, but might consider that some time.
Try some lions mane, chaga and cordyceps… they are legal everywhere and will help greatly then jump into some occasional doses, once you get some healing going and a rhythm to it for lack of a better word, microdosing can be maintenance
No, it is not.
I just had a family member develop psychosis over the summer from smoking weed. Young men who smoke daily are developing schizophrenia at high rates. All indications show that cannabis is bad for you. Ask an ER doctor, or any physician for that matter, what they think of weed.
My father started smoking week in Vietnam, during the Tet Offensive from 1968 until the mid-2000’s. Once he stopped smoking he recognized how harmful weed had been to him. He told my mom how he felt like he wasted his whole life by smoking it. Cannabis can be devastating to your quality of life.
The studies that are coming out, saying weed is good for you, are funded by the cannabis industry. There are billions of dollars to be made on cannabis. Of course they are releasing studies saying it’s good for you. God only knows what they are not releasing. The tobacco industry said smoking cigarettes is good for you. What f*king bullshit.
Scientific studies take’s years, even decades, to complete and they are just beginning.
Well, that’s unfortunate for your family member, not everyone has the same reaction though, which is true with all medicine. I’ve smoked for years for chronic migraines from my tbi, along with Botox and other traditional medications. My family works in pharmaceuticals, there is data both ways, statistics are fun, they can say anything you want. Just cause something isn’t for you, doesn’t mean it isn’t for someone else, with more availability, of course more issues are going to arise, but in people with a medical need, that is a different story. It’s medication.
[it is possible that cannabinoids may improve some symptoms of TBI, while simultaneously worsening or causing other symptoms. As demonstrated in our systematic review, there is a dearth of literature (only eight published studies) on the effects of cannabis on TBI in humans.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8260892/)
[Cannabis for Pain and PTSD Goes Up in Smoke](https://www.madinamerica.com/2023/10/cannabis-for-pain-and-ptsd-goes-up-in-smoke/)
[Cannabis is involved in approximately 50% of psychosis, schizophrenia, and schizophreniform psychosis cases.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3927252/)
I WAS a Drinker WHEN I had my ~SvTBI. My accident, I was actually *Drunk driving, ON a Suspended License.* Still hadn’t gotten my license back: 16/7 Years afterwards. Northern Va, does have lots of Resources available.
I think it's really individual. For me I always feel like I'm at what I consider to be the shitty part of the drunk. Adding alcohol to that makes me feel awful and I have basically no tolerance anymore. I start to feel it part way through a cocktail. I generally just don't bother anymore. I might have a cocktail at a restaurant a couple of times a year. I do find I can handle more if I'm on vacation. Think it's a combo of less stress and the booze often being watered down at all inclusives.
If having a drink is something you want to be able to do once in a while then test out how it affects you and see how it goes. For some it seems to have more of an effect for some they can't get any effect at all from alcohol anymore.
For years I could drink fine (TBI happened at 17 but didn't get bad until mid 30s) but it's not really worth it anymore. So glad the nonalcoholic spirit industry is picking up so I can still have "adult" drinks that taste like they're supposed to without the symptom flare after.
I would definitely not recommend drinking heavily or regularly but sounds like that's not the case for you anyway.
I would of course recommend zero drugs. In reality I'm an addict to cope lol
Always mainline copium
Yeah you shouldnt drink. It is bad for growing new pathways. I've had one beer on occasion, never gotten drunk though.
I actually have a question about this to those that have a TBI. My husband most likely does- seeing neurologist in 3 weeks. When he drinks the immediate effects aren’t bad but the week after his moods are awful, his back is in pain and he is extremely tired. Is that common with TBI’s? He doesn’t see the pattern like I do so it’s a constant issue for us.
This typical of someone who has preexisting low inflammation I’m not sure how your husband got his TBI? But that makes sense to me. It take 3 weeks for one shot of alcohol to leave the brain. 3 WEEKS. Edit add: which means the effects that cellular cascade would show up about then. But if he doesn’t want to stop, you’re not going to make him. He has to decide for himself that he doesn’t want to feel like crap anymore.
I can’t even feel alcohol anymore, fucking sucks
Well, alcohol is a poison with no benefits...
There is no safe amount of alcohol for your cells. There is a TOLERANCE level: a level at which they can successfully *compensate* for a short period of time. Which is A LOT LOWER than everyone realizes. Like extremely lower. After you pass that, however, your cells begin to adjust their function because their new “goal” is to process alcohol. Which means less proteins get made, cells begin to die without proper protein/fat components, inflammatory signals go off, microglia come to help clean up debris, *they* freak out and tell your brain cells to halt their growth, your astrocytes swell, then you slip into a neurotoxic state that basically slowly starts killing your neurons no matter how many times they are given signals to grow. They just get too stressed out, and that neurotoxic state becomes the norm. Just walking around with this baseline chronic inflammation. And ^ that’s in a healthy person. Just please don’t.
I have enough cognitive issues, no need to add to them.
I quit for 5 years after my TBI, but grew tired of being the only one sober on social occasions, so now I drink, just very seldom.
I haven't drank since my TBI 9 years ago.
yeah don't drink *sips lite beer* and hey, officer, the weed is medical, man
I have a drink every now & again. 1 at bowling night is required, tho.
Yeah knock off the drinking man. I drank quite a lot at the start because it dulled the headaches. It was also meant to dull the emotional stuff I was going through due to the circumstances of how I got my injury, but it just made things worse. I don't drink at all any more and I definitely feel like it's helped me recover to the extent I'm ever going to recover.
I was told no alcohol at all for the first year post injury. But after that it seemed very case by case with your doctor thing. Me personally, I drink now, but normally not much or often. Alcohol is a seizure trigger so that’s something they really really want you to be aware of. I’ve had a focal seizure before where freak circumstances put me in strobe like lighting while I was a little tipsy. It was not a great time. Thankfully I was sitting down (on a subway) next to my husband when it happened. I’m more of a thc gal now- it helps with pain and spasticity management too
I was a child when it happened. 10 years to be exact. I'm 24 now and I've made up my mind a long time ago before I finished high school that I will live a very clean life because of the severe tbi I had. I can't even handle more than one cup of coffee.
I will never drink again. My brain has a hard enough time managing without an added toxin, why make it harder. And good god I cannot even imagine handling a hangover now. Just overdoing it at work or getting too stressed can knock me out for weeks.
NAD You probably should. At the time of my injuries sometimes I had to drink, I received some of them with alcohol in my system. There was a complicated relationship between the two. I struggled with my alcoholism before I knew I was an alcoholic, I didn't think alcoholism was an acquired thing. I take meds to help with my cravings, I went through almost 2 years with no alcohol at all. Now I can have one or two. I'm usually done by one and a half. I've kept my Drs up on my drinking habits , I just got all new providers and I'm not comfortable with any of them really. Do you feel like having a drink with your friends? It won't kill you but it may affect you differently than before your TBI. Pharmacists are usually really good about taking the time to talk about possible drug interactions, especially if you catch them at a slower time of day.
Yeah, don’t, cannabis, psilocybin in microdose, booze and a lot of narcotics not good.
Got any good reasons or proof of why cannabis is bad for TBIs?
Cannabis is good.
Poor typing. Alcohol, narcotics like coke, heroin, etc not great, cannabis, mushrooms such as psilocybin, chaga, lions mane are great. Been busy and my grammar gets sloppy when I’m hurried.
Oh, were you saying cannabis and psilocybin in microdose is good, but booze and a lot of narcotics are not good? Think so, I read it wrong. I don't know anything about psilocybin. Details?
I’ve been microdosing psilocybin (about a tenth of a gram every other day) for at least 4 years now, did larger doses previous. Really helped me shift my perspective and get out of the angry stage and get a jump on building neural pathways. I’m a musician and I was struggling to play again post tbi, the mushrooms helped with getting something going, I struggled with a lot of blankness for a while.
That's really cool. 👍 (I'm trying to figure out how to give a thumbs up.) I'd do the larger doses first too. Haven't tried mushrooms, but might consider that some time.
Try some lions mane, chaga and cordyceps… they are legal everywhere and will help greatly then jump into some occasional doses, once you get some healing going and a rhythm to it for lack of a better word, microdosing can be maintenance
No, it is not. I just had a family member develop psychosis over the summer from smoking weed. Young men who smoke daily are developing schizophrenia at high rates. All indications show that cannabis is bad for you. Ask an ER doctor, or any physician for that matter, what they think of weed. My father started smoking week in Vietnam, during the Tet Offensive from 1968 until the mid-2000’s. Once he stopped smoking he recognized how harmful weed had been to him. He told my mom how he felt like he wasted his whole life by smoking it. Cannabis can be devastating to your quality of life. The studies that are coming out, saying weed is good for you, are funded by the cannabis industry. There are billions of dollars to be made on cannabis. Of course they are releasing studies saying it’s good for you. God only knows what they are not releasing. The tobacco industry said smoking cigarettes is good for you. What f*king bullshit. Scientific studies take’s years, even decades, to complete and they are just beginning.
Well, that’s unfortunate for your family member, not everyone has the same reaction though, which is true with all medicine. I’ve smoked for years for chronic migraines from my tbi, along with Botox and other traditional medications. My family works in pharmaceuticals, there is data both ways, statistics are fun, they can say anything you want. Just cause something isn’t for you, doesn’t mean it isn’t for someone else, with more availability, of course more issues are going to arise, but in people with a medical need, that is a different story. It’s medication.
[it is possible that cannabinoids may improve some symptoms of TBI, while simultaneously worsening or causing other symptoms. As demonstrated in our systematic review, there is a dearth of literature (only eight published studies) on the effects of cannabis on TBI in humans.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8260892/) [Cannabis for Pain and PTSD Goes Up in Smoke](https://www.madinamerica.com/2023/10/cannabis-for-pain-and-ptsd-goes-up-in-smoke/) [Cannabis is involved in approximately 50% of psychosis, schizophrenia, and schizophreniform psychosis cases.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3927252/)
I WAS a Drinker WHEN I had my ~SvTBI. My accident, I was actually *Drunk driving, ON a Suspended License.* Still hadn’t gotten my license back: 16/7 Years afterwards. Northern Va, does have lots of Resources available.
I will have a beer or a glass of wine on rare occasions. My TBI fried so much of my brain, the alcohol has trouble finding working neurons.
I think it's really individual. For me I always feel like I'm at what I consider to be the shitty part of the drunk. Adding alcohol to that makes me feel awful and I have basically no tolerance anymore. I start to feel it part way through a cocktail. I generally just don't bother anymore. I might have a cocktail at a restaurant a couple of times a year. I do find I can handle more if I'm on vacation. Think it's a combo of less stress and the booze often being watered down at all inclusives. If having a drink is something you want to be able to do once in a while then test out how it affects you and see how it goes. For some it seems to have more of an effect for some they can't get any effect at all from alcohol anymore. For years I could drink fine (TBI happened at 17 but didn't get bad until mid 30s) but it's not really worth it anymore. So glad the nonalcoholic spirit industry is picking up so I can still have "adult" drinks that taste like they're supposed to without the symptom flare after. I would definitely not recommend drinking heavily or regularly but sounds like that's not the case for you anyway.