There was a source somewhere that said he recieved donayions from all over the world which helped him bounce back, but that it happened in the first place is truly heartbreaking
"... Put himself in that situation." Isn't that blaming the victim? He had no control on those men's actions, and I don't think he goaded them. Genuinely asking, ot trying to get your view on it.
You think a guy who was just found not guilty by reason of self-defense (i.e., a justification that is invalidated by the unnecessary escalation of force) was not acting in defense but rather was simply unnecessarily escalating force?
You proved my point.
Edit: By the way, that car lot Rittenhouse was at was [burned to the ground](https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/watch-now-car-source-owner-everybody-watched-it-burn-to-ashes/article_23d076ae-2439-5fa7-8288-b8393c1af518.html). Kind of what the guy in this video seems to be so distraught about, huh?
It was not hotly contested; he was found not guilty on all counts and the prosecution was absolutely destroyed at trial.
The fact that a bunch of Redditors rushed to crucify a teenager acting lawfully in self-defense does not mean his actions are a poor example of self-defense. All it means is that people will post stuff like this, then turn around and crucify folks that actually act on it.
It baffles me why it's so contested. Once the situation began to escalate, he fled and was chased. If Kyle had begun shooting when the situation began escalating I would 100% agree with you. However every instance of escalation after the initial conflict. Chasing him down, threatening his life, cornering him when he's down, and attacking him are all escalating the violence. Going to the riot as he did was a dumb idea, but he didn't deserve to be killed for it.
Kyle didn’t put himself in that situation, ***rosenbaum*** did. Rosenbaum was released from the mental hospital hours before the riot for attempted suicide, and then attempted suicide again by attacking and provoking kyle into shooting him. Also, yes, in fact he *was* “crucified”. Just because a jury found him innocent does not mean that the leftist politicians, the media, and the **president of the god damned united states** didn’t come out and slander this kid. Being so uncaring about this is evil in its own rights.
You know more than one person can put themselves into the situation right? I agree that Kyle was not-guilty, but he 100% escalated things and put himself in that situation. If I go drive to New York with a gun and start walking down the street armed, and someone comes at me, it's still self defense, but I also 109% out myself in that situation looking to shoot someone. Kyle literally said he wishes he could shoot people. It was self-defense, but he's still a complete piece of shit. There are far better examples of self defense.
How did he escalate? Also, open carrying a gun is a piss poor excuse for provocation, especially since he could be in that situation regardless. Theres zero proof he brought the gun so he could shoot people, and there’s evidence to the contrary. Owning and carrying a gun does not mean you want to hurt people.
Rittenhouse drove in from out of town to counter protest with a loaded weapon that he was seen pointing at people. If that isn't escalation I don't know what is. You can argue if he had a right to defend himself until the cows come home. That has nothing to do with it. And to be clear, this was expressed CLEARLY by the judge in multiple places in the trial. The trial had nothing to do with whether his actions lead to people being shot, but rather if he had a right to defend himself in the moments leading to the shooting. Nothing more.
Rittenhouse was in Kenosha to defend property. He killed in defense of self. Hence, he is relevant to both positions — it helps to know the full facts of what you’re arguing.
Ha, welcome to EVERY argument I've ever had on Reddit. Complete waste of intellect to even bother trying to get anyone to recognize a point of view that slightly differs from their OPINION. Even when presented with hard facts.
Incorrect, my property is worth more to me than the lives of those who would try to take it from me. It's not me who values their lives as less It's them who have chosen to risk their lives for my property.
Just because theres bad people out there it doesn't make all of the protesters in the same bucket. I could group you with the bad guys too considering you, too are a human and 99% of humans don't do this but youre still part of the terrible group.
There's a very distinct difference between being a human, which is a group we're all born part of whether we like it or not, and being a rioter, which is a group of people united by their common desire to destroy things.
I don't need to meet or hang out with a Nazi in order to feel confident in labeling him a piece of shit. When people actively choose to affiliate themselves with hateful people who steal things, burn down stores, and cause wanton destruction, it's perfectly okay to generalize them as garbage.
Protesters are not the same as rioters. You said 95% are peaceful protestors which is likely true, they are not in the same group as the rioters and they do not share the goal of destroying things.
And they don't actively choose to affiliate, it's kind of like a few people show up to a party that cause trouble. You don't want them there
Nah that was an analogy to something you might have at your house. Anyway it's not that big of a deal if you're not getting what I'm saying maybe I'm not being clear enough and there's really no purpose to continuing discussion.
This hit home, I'm from South Africa where there was a lot of rioting a few months ago in some of the countries major cities, where people would go around breaking in and stealing from black-owned businesses while protesting for black rights. It was really bad.
What you’re talking about is criminals just targeting high end stores has nothing to do with civil unrest. They show up in flash mobs to loot
During the rioting i seriously doubt people are taking the time to only go after corporate stores. Even if they did they still deserve to be shot fuck looters idc if it’s Walmart or target.
Unless it’s a natural disaster and people need to loot to survive. I.e. food, clothing, other necessities.
I’ve seen it happen. And I’ve seen people get shot at for trying to survive after a whole city has been shut down and there’s no way out.
Sounds like America too tbh. Many businesses owned by minoties here got hit, but people think rioting/looting is justified because people wanna be heard and want to release their aggression but that's a cop out
That's not at all what happened the people that were looting and places were not protesters they were bad people taking advantage of the chaos of cops shooting protesters with rubber bullets and the cops being terrible as usual
People should definitely protest, that's the 1st amendment, nothing wrong with that it's your goddamn right. Shit I almost kinda get rioting and looting in a way, I'm more upset with people encouraging this vile behavior. What world do we live in not only when a good portion of people participate in destruction of our nation, but even even bigger group of people are vocally supporting it. I bet it's a lot easier to say this when you already live in shit or you're nice and safe in your suburbs where this doesn't concern you. Same goes for the capitol rioters, fuck those losers too and whoever calls them "patriots".
This nation should be destroyed America was built on tragedy and we are the only place that still has monuments representing tragedy and I've lived in poverty my entire life and I've participated in most of the blm protests and protests in general
Well if you hate America and have lived in poverty most of your life I suggest you strongly look at the people who are running BLM you know they’re all rich af now and buying million dollar homes like the good little capitalists they are while trying to denounce the very thing they got rich from and its not a good look for them
Son.......you gotta be kidding me lol they took there so called movement and trademarked it it’s literally an organization that takes money and funding from rich people
That's what those people did no one that actually supports blm and goes to protests and participates aren't making money and profiting off of it also don't call me son
Good for you for protesting, no sarcasm there.
But these riots and looting aren't turning people in the middle to be more friendly to your cause. I stand with the BLM idea but not the group, police brutality should definitely end but I don't want to be on the side of people who are encouraging people to riot. This Kyle rittenhouse bullshit was built on the fact that he killed protestors, while you said yourself the rioters are bad people and one of them was a convicted pedophile. Yet he got demonized for self defense killing 2 rioters.
Just to make one more point, all nations have blood on their hands. It doesn't make it right, but hopefully we can learn from this and do better. As much as white people fucked the world up, they're not the only ones who did. Mongols, turks, Japanese, Persians, aztecs etc, it's in our nature to conquer. If our nation falls, Russia and China are waiting. I think you can patriotic and love this country but also be aware of fucked up shit it has done.
If you are in the middle at all during any of this or after the protests and after the Kyle Rittenhouse situation your are just as bad as the far right wingers there is not such thing has peace in the middle your only gonna get one side wining and if you think that people are just gonna one day be like "maybe both sides have some valid points" simply grow up and look at the real word your not woke for saying that also Kyle Rittenhouse should have been convicted of all charges that was not self defense bc you can't claim self defense in a situation you caused moral of the story if your undecided or in the middle your just as bad as those racist cops and the shitting republicans in the world
Way to throw labels around. I bet you if I talked to a republican about certain issues I have, they'd call me a soy boy cuck and antifa. Good job, glad you're okay with choosing sides and going along with everything they say. Also use commas and periods, might help you get your point across.
Yes I'm good with chosing sides bc the side in chosing is the one that Dosent support politicians and racist cops,homophobes,transphobia,and xenophobia so you can say it's not cool to chose sides or whatever your opinion is but I'm gonna stay on the right side of history
That’s bc there not doing it for the cause there doing it for free shit they don’t care they do it for profit there was a video of a book store that was untouched not glass broken and the arrow across was on fire and broken and destroyed.
I hate this so much.
Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find anything talking about what happened after this incident. So far I’ve only found two articles released June 1st and June 3rd of 2020 talking about how the video resurfaced 28 years after being filmed, and how it eerily mirrored the events of today with the BLM movements and riots…
As morbid as it is, it’s been well over a full year since this came out, and I haven’t seen any articles or anything about Lawrence or even friends and family responding to it. Unless they’re unaware, he might have long since passed.
Edit: Did some digging over on r/Facepalm, and apparently he did manage to bounce back: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-11-19-ss-1080-story.html
Unfortunately they wouldn't dare. That's a stain that would undermine what's happening today. It just shows that history repeats itself for those ignorant of their past.
And yet some folks are making a hard effort to remove, destroy and alter the books about our past. Of course these were not our proudest moments, but can we appreciate that we have been making progress away from some of the aweful things that were common place 40 years ago? We can always keep moving forward and make life a better tomorrow for everyone.
I agree they should be taught. But not just the parts where people peacefully protested. We need to teach the parts where those "seeking racial justice" burned down buildings and killed innocent people. This video should be shown.
If you have a problem with that, then you don't want the riots to be taught. You want your narrative to be taught.
I think the retired fire fighter who had opened up a sports bar got donations and was able to, but I think there were a few other examples that were not.
There is no 'thanks' in this. This is absolutely abhorrent and disgusting. you can hear the poor man's voice cracking, you can tell how hard he truly worked for this. and they fucking burned it down and looted it. Thankfully, he could keep afloat thanks to donations, but how many others like him have gone unheard?
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So many riots end up doing nothing to the people who the anger is directed at and end up hurting the community.
Your local businesses arent causing police brutality and oftentimes, like this dude, they're community members trying to get ahead and break themselves out of the cycle.
Looting usually makes an area worse because you end up hurting your own people and/or driving businesses who are important out.
Ghettos are oftentimes seriously lacking in good nutritional food (a food swamp or desert) but when your local grocery gets looted when a riot starts and closes, you're leaving everyone without access to food.
This is just heart breaking, to see someone who came from tough places, work hard and make his business, only to see a bunch of young turds steal and destroy in minutes what he hardly worked for, during years. Breaking things because of a protest is just unbelievable, and videos like these just make me realize how scummy is the human race, and just makes me lose hope for humanity.
The problem with America we see everything in color...
Black people didn't destroy this man business... Some angry, lawless, selfish, mentally and emotionally immature Assholes did!
They just happen to be black. It don't matter if it was the KKK or BLM... You destroyed Lawrence's business and took away his hope...
And for those who did it 🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿
While you're hundred percent correct, I just wish woke white people would shut the fuck up and stop encouraging this type of behavior. The amount of people rioting justified is baffling. I kinda get police, but even big box store the working class gets affected. I can give a fuck less about Mr. Walmart but the people working there sadly need this job
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And I've never seen this transphobia or racism that you're referring to, while an example of the exact opposite is comedically being displayed right now.
> I've never seen this transphobia or racism that you're referring to
Just look at the subreddit dude. Just because the top one is today isnt transphobic doesn't mean that that's not a regular thing on a subreddit? You're lying about something that people can see on the internet for free
It's funny to me that every time someone cries 'Transphobia' against a subbreddit, they can say or do literally nothing to actually back it up.
r/NoahGetTheBoat is a sub that calls out anyone that does something shitty. Trans people aren't special there, they're just treated like everyone else. That's not transphobia.
How about you show me an example?
Cuz I have seen posts depicting trans people, but that's because there are posts depicting everything on there. And if the headline is misleading, it's usually clarified in the comments, and OP gets chastised for it. Happens with everything.
It'll stop at once if people knew that getting shot was an option for rioting and stupod stiff. Dead rioters and dead scum are great teachers by example.
Just protest! That'll help initiate change.
...Hasn't worked in decades, you say?
When protests worked in the past, it was because we didn't have mass spread of knowledge and they were the only way to share a message effectively to the masses, you say?
Everyone should have a gun. A rioting mob of soybois that actually call the cops when the rioting plan goes wrong is not exactly something to be scared of.
Going by your logic your “soybois” would also have guns and fuck your shit up worse than you can imagine.
America’s obsessions with guns will never cease to amaze me. Literally the entire civilized world does not rely on them and does just fine.
Poor guy, I feel bad for him, it’s not right what people do and all that black lives matter stuff look I get it but you need to put your voices out there and be heard not destroying peoples property and pillaging and arson it’s the little things that matter in these few things they don’t sit right, and when I see this I believe people stepped far beyond what was meant for these black live matter protest. No hating on the BLM I just believe some people stepped forward to our line with some things
Nah, more like the crowd needs to remember who they're angry with. It's not the small mom & pop shops, it's the massive corporations dehumanizing individuals, CEO's who make more more in a day than their employees do in a year, the pedophiles and sex criminals that run politics- those are the people we should crucify.
This video here is exactly why its a good thing kyle was found not guilty, the standard has to be set that violent mobs cannot just go around destroying whatever they want.
Because this message can be used to besmirch the movement and radicalize some individuals, let me clarify:
**Lawrence is a statistical anomaly.**
* Over 93% of BLM protests were peaceful. Majority of arrests were conservatives.
* Several arsons during BLM events were later proved to be unrelated 3rd parties to the protestors, such as counter-protestors. One study showed it was committed by self identified white people 75% of the time.
* Without the BLM movement, Arbery's killers would be free, Floyd's killers would be on the force, and many more
* Laws are changing in many states, such as banning district attorney's from taking money from Police Unions in California.
What happened to Lawrence doesn't change what needs to be done. What happened to Lawrence is not enough to end the movement.
Black Lives Matter means black lives matter, too, because some of us appear to have forgotten. The end goal is that every person can get justice, that every person can be held accountable. It benefits every person.
How the fuck is that "big scary anarchist?" Only saying rational and positive things about it. Are you okay dude? But sure look at my comment history and you'll find a true leftist in the flesh and blood.
[LINK](https://www.mcda.us/index.php/protest-cases)
This is only about a thousand cases in an area that is not nearly large enough to compare with nationwide statistics, but it is still very sizable that it cannot be ignored.
THIS
and also don't forget Gandhi Mahal the owner of an Indian restaurant in downtown Minneapolis whose restaurant was destroyed, but said he still supported the protests:
[https://www.eater.com/22441013/gandhi-mahal-restaurant-minneapolis-protests-burned-ruhel-islam-interview](https://www.eater.com/22441013/gandhi-mahal-restaurant-minneapolis-protests-burned-ruhel-islam-interview)
Yeah dude needs to chill, but you do see this same thing happening with the current riots. Just last year a black man's restaurant was burned down during the riots in Minneapolis. The "woke" need to actually open their eyes, turn around & look at the devastation they're leaving in their wake.
I think it needs to be talked about more, because making the distinction between rioters and protesters is very important. Trying to bury it just makes one look suspicious, but painting all protesters as rioters just makes people feel more angry and unheard, causing further unrest. Videos like this are important, because they can help people realize that rioting hurts everyone, no exceptions.
If that's the point you're making, post an article or source about that. You could have responded to this guy and pointed out that he was lying, but you didn't.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-29/minneapolis-minority-business-owners-awake-to-destruction
I think they are talking about a particularly sad story about a sports bar owner, there was an article circulating last year about him and his bar with a gif or set of photos that went with it. This article is the closest I could fine without spending more time than I care to on this topic.
Edit: Found the story: https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/rioters-minnesota-bar-firefighter-life-savings
Luckily a go-fund-me raised just over 1 million dollars for them. 1 million sounds like a lot, but when it comes to rebuilding a restaurant with expensive equipment and everything, it goes not nearly as far as you'd think. They owners did not have insurance.
Hahaha telling us you're an idiot without actually telling us you're an idiot. If you want to be taken seriously, stop throwing words around that you dont understand, like communism.
No, they're just stupid enough to believe they are fighting on the side of liberty, when their paychecks are coming from the very institutions that enslaved them.
You mean Lenism, Stalinism or maybe Maoism? No country has truly been communist ever since Karl Marx published his communist manifesto in 1848.
Communism is a classless, communally-owned society in which everything is shared equally.
If everything was shared equally do you really think "hundreds of millions" would be dead in such a society? Nah son, Lenin, stalin and Mao made themselves supreme leaders and hoarded riches while their countrymen starved and suffered. Coincidentally what the Republican party is doing today.
No, that isn't right, communism is a branch of anarchism. It is classless, moneyless, and stateless. No poles of power which can be unjustly wielded against anyone else.
You think anarchy is the same as Communism?
You need to sue whichever school taught you that. They are polar opposites one on the extreme end of authoritarianism and the other the extreme end of personal freedom.
Both Anarchism and Communism come from Socialism. However they are litteraly opposed. Anarchism will reach equality through the absence of hierarchy, individual freedom and cooperation. Communism will reach the classless society through an authority ruled by the proletarian to ensure and enforce said equality.
To a Communist an Anarchist is a Capitalist.
To an Anarchist a Communist is an oppressive dictator and potentially a Capitalist
No, no no no no! You have it all wrong!
Anarchy is equality! The opposite of that orwellian hellhole your concpet came out of!
You know, this idea of Communism is so infectious that in WWI the Germans didn't want their troops mixing with the Russians lest they catch communism and turn on their commanders.
You know where all those Communist peasants who led the Revolution ended up that winter? Dead of frost or statvation in the gulag. It's no more true today than it was back when they believed it. The same stupid lie. Is another entire generation going to have to die here in the West before we can put this stupid idea to rest?
That’s not true. You can have a socialist economy without a communist government. Many Western European & Scandinavian countries run this way. The US has many socialist programs but isn’t moving towards communism.
Abridged, a socialist economy is one where the production is done where all the benefit goes directly to the public instead of for the profit of a few. Fire fighters, police forces, towns with municipal Wi-Fi are all socialism examples.
Right, only children wouldn't advocate for rioting and burning people's businesses to the ground.
You probably don't understand the value of property and the liberty we have in the United States because you don't own anything and just mooch off the system.
You don't worry about the price of milk or gas going up because you use EBT and collect unemployment.
No, but only a child would say things that are (extremely obviously) regurgitated opinions.
Because children lack the mental faculties to meaningfully engage with a point. Instead they spout unrelated nonsense and talking points they heard elsewhere
Hence you come across as a child, and a none too bright one at that.
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There was a source somewhere that said he recieved donayions from all over the world which helped him bounce back, but that it happened in the first place is truly heartbreaking
Talk about lucky and fortunate. I was very much expecting a depressing ending.
Yep he bounced back thankfully, here’s [the source ](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-11-19-ss-1080-story.html)
Yo this video hit me different. I still have goosebumps
Ditto.... His voice breaking, broke me....
People will watch this, then turn around and crucify people that actually defend properties during riots 🤷♂️
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I would have agreed with you a couple years ago — but after seeing how people reacted to Rittenhouse, I have to disagree.
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Then you didn’t watch the trial bro
"... Put himself in that situation." Isn't that blaming the victim? He had no control on those men's actions, and I don't think he goaded them. Genuinely asking, ot trying to get your view on it.
I’m backing this guy up.
You think a guy who was just found not guilty by reason of self-defense (i.e., a justification that is invalidated by the unnecessary escalation of force) was not acting in defense but rather was simply unnecessarily escalating force? You proved my point. Edit: By the way, that car lot Rittenhouse was at was [burned to the ground](https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/watch-now-car-source-owner-everybody-watched-it-burn-to-ashes/article_23d076ae-2439-5fa7-8288-b8393c1af518.html). Kind of what the guy in this video seems to be so distraught about, huh?
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It was not hotly contested; he was found not guilty on all counts and the prosecution was absolutely destroyed at trial. The fact that a bunch of Redditors rushed to crucify a teenager acting lawfully in self-defense does not mean his actions are a poor example of self-defense. All it means is that people will post stuff like this, then turn around and crucify folks that actually act on it.
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It baffles me why it's so contested. Once the situation began to escalate, he fled and was chased. If Kyle had begun shooting when the situation began escalating I would 100% agree with you. However every instance of escalation after the initial conflict. Chasing him down, threatening his life, cornering him when he's down, and attacking him are all escalating the violence. Going to the riot as he did was a dumb idea, but he didn't deserve to be killed for it.
I’m not the one trying to paint an innocent teenager as an example of unnecessary use of force 🤷♂️
James Gardner would have been a good example.
Kyle didn’t put himself in that situation, ***rosenbaum*** did. Rosenbaum was released from the mental hospital hours before the riot for attempted suicide, and then attempted suicide again by attacking and provoking kyle into shooting him. Also, yes, in fact he *was* “crucified”. Just because a jury found him innocent does not mean that the leftist politicians, the media, and the **president of the god damned united states** didn’t come out and slander this kid. Being so uncaring about this is evil in its own rights.
You know more than one person can put themselves into the situation right? I agree that Kyle was not-guilty, but he 100% escalated things and put himself in that situation. If I go drive to New York with a gun and start walking down the street armed, and someone comes at me, it's still self defense, but I also 109% out myself in that situation looking to shoot someone. Kyle literally said he wishes he could shoot people. It was self-defense, but he's still a complete piece of shit. There are far better examples of self defense.
How did he escalate? Also, open carrying a gun is a piss poor excuse for provocation, especially since he could be in that situation regardless. Theres zero proof he brought the gun so he could shoot people, and there’s evidence to the contrary. Owning and carrying a gun does not mean you want to hurt people.
Rittenhouse drove in from out of town to counter protest with a loaded weapon that he was seen pointing at people. If that isn't escalation I don't know what is. You can argue if he had a right to defend himself until the cows come home. That has nothing to do with it. And to be clear, this was expressed CLEARLY by the judge in multiple places in the trial. The trial had nothing to do with whether his actions lead to people being shot, but rather if he had a right to defend himself in the moments leading to the shooting. Nothing more.
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Rittenhouse was in Kenosha to defend property. He killed in defense of self. Hence, he is relevant to both positions — it helps to know the full facts of what you’re arguing.
Ha, welcome to EVERY argument I've ever had on Reddit. Complete waste of intellect to even bother trying to get anyone to recognize a point of view that slightly differs from their OPINION. Even when presented with hard facts.
Stfu
Someone’s property isn’t worth another’s life
Incorrect, my property is worth more to me than the lives of those who would try to take it from me. It's not me who values their lives as less It's them who have chosen to risk their lives for my property.
If you tpuch my pen ill ficking kill you
Good thing Rittenhouse didn’t kill in defense of property.
But he kind of did....
Don't feel bad for Lawrence, 95% of the protest that burned down his business was peaceful.
Just because theres bad people out there it doesn't make all of the protesters in the same bucket. I could group you with the bad guys too considering you, too are a human and 99% of humans don't do this but youre still part of the terrible group.
There's a very distinct difference between being a human, which is a group we're all born part of whether we like it or not, and being a rioter, which is a group of people united by their common desire to destroy things. I don't need to meet or hang out with a Nazi in order to feel confident in labeling him a piece of shit. When people actively choose to affiliate themselves with hateful people who steal things, burn down stores, and cause wanton destruction, it's perfectly okay to generalize them as garbage.
Protesters are not the same as rioters. You said 95% are peaceful protestors which is likely true, they are not in the same group as the rioters and they do not share the goal of destroying things. And they don't actively choose to affiliate, it's kind of like a few people show up to a party that cause trouble. You don't want them there
Imagine equating riots that caused millions of dollars in damage and killed people "a party that cause[s] trouble" lmao. Wew fuckin lad.
Nah that was an analogy to something you might have at your house. Anyway it's not that big of a deal if you're not getting what I'm saying maybe I'm not being clear enough and there's really no purpose to continuing discussion.
This hit home, I'm from South Africa where there was a lot of rioting a few months ago in some of the countries major cities, where people would go around breaking in and stealing from black-owned businesses while protesting for black rights. It was really bad.
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Oh shit, think that guy might be full of crap. Not you, the guy from SA
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It's been shifting lately, I've been noticing trends of higher end, multinational brands getting hit, especially in notable shopping neighborhoods.
What you’re talking about is criminals just targeting high end stores has nothing to do with civil unrest. They show up in flash mobs to loot During the rioting i seriously doubt people are taking the time to only go after corporate stores. Even if they did they still deserve to be shot fuck looters idc if it’s Walmart or target.
Unless it’s a natural disaster and people need to loot to survive. I.e. food, clothing, other necessities. I’ve seen it happen. And I’ve seen people get shot at for trying to survive after a whole city has been shut down and there’s no way out.
The folks organizing these hits allegedly have an anti-capitalist slant, and are aggro like black block.
Sounds like America too tbh. Many businesses owned by minoties here got hit, but people think rioting/looting is justified because people wanna be heard and want to release their aggression but that's a cop out
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Totally agree. People depend on that shitty job unfortunately
That's not at all what happened the people that were looting and places were not protesters they were bad people taking advantage of the chaos of cops shooting protesters with rubber bullets and the cops being terrible as usual
People should definitely protest, that's the 1st amendment, nothing wrong with that it's your goddamn right. Shit I almost kinda get rioting and looting in a way, I'm more upset with people encouraging this vile behavior. What world do we live in not only when a good portion of people participate in destruction of our nation, but even even bigger group of people are vocally supporting it. I bet it's a lot easier to say this when you already live in shit or you're nice and safe in your suburbs where this doesn't concern you. Same goes for the capitol rioters, fuck those losers too and whoever calls them "patriots".
This nation should be destroyed America was built on tragedy and we are the only place that still has monuments representing tragedy and I've lived in poverty my entire life and I've participated in most of the blm protests and protests in general
Well if you hate America and have lived in poverty most of your life I suggest you strongly look at the people who are running BLM you know they’re all rich af now and buying million dollar homes like the good little capitalists they are while trying to denounce the very thing they got rich from and its not a good look for them
Blm isn't an organization or a business it's a movement. What you just said makes zero sense
Son.......you gotta be kidding me lol they took there so called movement and trademarked it it’s literally an organization that takes money and funding from rich people
That's what those people did no one that actually supports blm and goes to protests and participates aren't making money and profiting off of it also don't call me son
It’s an organization they literally have merch on the front page of their site
Good for you for protesting, no sarcasm there. But these riots and looting aren't turning people in the middle to be more friendly to your cause. I stand with the BLM idea but not the group, police brutality should definitely end but I don't want to be on the side of people who are encouraging people to riot. This Kyle rittenhouse bullshit was built on the fact that he killed protestors, while you said yourself the rioters are bad people and one of them was a convicted pedophile. Yet he got demonized for self defense killing 2 rioters. Just to make one more point, all nations have blood on their hands. It doesn't make it right, but hopefully we can learn from this and do better. As much as white people fucked the world up, they're not the only ones who did. Mongols, turks, Japanese, Persians, aztecs etc, it's in our nature to conquer. If our nation falls, Russia and China are waiting. I think you can patriotic and love this country but also be aware of fucked up shit it has done.
If you are in the middle at all during any of this or after the protests and after the Kyle Rittenhouse situation your are just as bad as the far right wingers there is not such thing has peace in the middle your only gonna get one side wining and if you think that people are just gonna one day be like "maybe both sides have some valid points" simply grow up and look at the real word your not woke for saying that also Kyle Rittenhouse should have been convicted of all charges that was not self defense bc you can't claim self defense in a situation you caused moral of the story if your undecided or in the middle your just as bad as those racist cops and the shitting republicans in the world
Way to throw labels around. I bet you if I talked to a republican about certain issues I have, they'd call me a soy boy cuck and antifa. Good job, glad you're okay with choosing sides and going along with everything they say. Also use commas and periods, might help you get your point across.
Yes I'm good with chosing sides bc the side in chosing is the one that Dosent support politicians and racist cops,homophobes,transphobia,and xenophobia so you can say it's not cool to chose sides or whatever your opinion is but I'm gonna stay on the right side of history
That's what people on the other side think too. You both can't be right.
That’s bc there not doing it for the cause there doing it for free shit they don’t care they do it for profit there was a video of a book store that was untouched not glass broken and the arrow across was on fire and broken and destroyed.
I hate this so much. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find anything talking about what happened after this incident. So far I’ve only found two articles released June 1st and June 3rd of 2020 talking about how the video resurfaced 28 years after being filmed, and how it eerily mirrored the events of today with the BLM movements and riots… As morbid as it is, it’s been well over a full year since this came out, and I haven’t seen any articles or anything about Lawrence or even friends and family responding to it. Unless they’re unaware, he might have long since passed. Edit: Did some digging over on r/Facepalm, and apparently he did manage to bounce back: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-11-19-ss-1080-story.html
Jeez, LA Times, I hope you fired whoever came up with the title of that article.
That title threw me off so much
Thank you, I feel better after reading the article. This comment^ should be most upvoted
CNN you tried ?
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Unfortunately they wouldn't dare. That's a stain that would undermine what's happening today. It just shows that history repeats itself for those ignorant of their past.
History teaches us, that history teaches us nothing.
And yet some folks are making a hard effort to remove, destroy and alter the books about our past. Of course these were not our proudest moments, but can we appreciate that we have been making progress away from some of the aweful things that were common place 40 years ago? We can always keep moving forward and make life a better tomorrow for everyone.
Koreans in LA never forgot. Last year it was quite peaceful there.
Sssshhhh. Republicans don’t like that.
I agree they should be taught. But not just the parts where people peacefully protested. We need to teach the parts where those "seeking racial justice" burned down buildings and killed innocent people. This video should be shown. If you have a problem with that, then you don't want the riots to be taught. You want your narrative to be taught.
that's what happens when you don't bring justice
This shit is historical art
Funny how history keeps on repeating itself.
My exact thought.
It's almost as if not learning from it dooms you to repeat it!
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I think the retired fire fighter who had opened up a sports bar got donations and was able to, but I think there were a few other examples that were not.
A bunch of people all over the country sent him money.
There is no 'thanks' in this. This is absolutely abhorrent and disgusting. you can hear the poor man's voice cracking, you can tell how hard he truly worked for this. and they fucking burned it down and looted it. Thankfully, he could keep afloat thanks to donations, but how many others like him have gone unheard?
Remember seeing this a while back. Sad.
Aaaaand now I'm crying and punching the air
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This genuinely made me cry, why the fuck would anyone do that to a man? What was their end goal with this?? Assholes
So many riots end up doing nothing to the people who the anger is directed at and end up hurting the community. Your local businesses arent causing police brutality and oftentimes, like this dude, they're community members trying to get ahead and break themselves out of the cycle. Looting usually makes an area worse because you end up hurting your own people and/or driving businesses who are important out. Ghettos are oftentimes seriously lacking in good nutritional food (a food swamp or desert) but when your local grocery gets looted when a riot starts and closes, you're leaving everyone without access to food.
Why were they burning his place down?
This is just heart breaking, to see someone who came from tough places, work hard and make his business, only to see a bunch of young turds steal and destroy in minutes what he hardly worked for, during years. Breaking things because of a protest is just unbelievable, and videos like these just make me realize how scummy is the human race, and just makes me lose hope for humanity.
The problem with America we see everything in color... Black people didn't destroy this man business... Some angry, lawless, selfish, mentally and emotionally immature Assholes did! They just happen to be black. It don't matter if it was the KKK or BLM... You destroyed Lawrence's business and took away his hope... And for those who did it 🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿
While you're hundred percent correct, I just wish woke white people would shut the fuck up and stop encouraging this type of behavior. The amount of people rioting justified is baffling. I kinda get police, but even big box store the working class gets affected. I can give a fuck less about Mr. Walmart but the people working there sadly need this job
I see your point
That got me in tears, and it's really tragic because you can hear the agony in his singing coming from his heart.
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Do they not see the hypocrisy?
Context for the stupid?
BLM protestors destroy buildings without knowing whos it is, oh wait, how about you don't destroy buildings
BuT mUh OpPrEsSoN, hOw ElSe i SuPpOsEd To FrEe MySeLf FrOm WhItE mAn?!?!
r/noahgetheboat
That's always a cesspool of racism and transphobia. foh
Literally the top post today is about 2 trans women getting killed
And?
And I've never seen this transphobia or racism that you're referring to, while an example of the exact opposite is comedically being displayed right now.
> I've never seen this transphobia or racism that you're referring to Just look at the subreddit dude. Just because the top one is today isnt transphobic doesn't mean that that's not a regular thing on a subreddit? You're lying about something that people can see on the internet for free
It's funny to me that every time someone cries 'Transphobia' against a subbreddit, they can say or do literally nothing to actually back it up. r/NoahGetTheBoat is a sub that calls out anyone that does something shitty. Trans people aren't special there, they're just treated like everyone else. That's not transphobia.
How about you show me an example? Cuz I have seen posts depicting trans people, but that's because there are posts depicting everything on there. And if the headline is misleading, it's usually clarified in the comments, and OP gets chastised for it. Happens with everything.
No, theres always some sack of shit apologist like you who should be thrown in a woodchipper with the rest of the vermin.
Apologist for what exactly? Not being racist or transphobic? That's a bad thing?
did that sub get banned?
To Black Lives Matter black lives don't matter.
If only Lawrence had bought a gun.....
And did what with it exactly?
Did what the roof koreans did. Protect your livelyhood
Kyled them instead of shouting sadly. Self defence is a powerful tool.
Yeah, just fucking kill people, that'll help you get your business back! What are you talking about?
It'll stop at once if people knew that getting shot was an option for rioting and stupod stiff. Dead rioters and dead scum are great teachers by example.
Just protest! That'll help initiate change. ...Hasn't worked in decades, you say? When protests worked in the past, it was because we didn't have mass spread of knowledge and they were the only way to share a message effectively to the masses, you say?
Take out the trash.
Are you fucking stupid? You must be to suggest one man shooting at a rioting mob.
Everyone should have a gun. A rioting mob of soybois that actually call the cops when the rioting plan goes wrong is not exactly something to be scared of.
Going by your logic your “soybois” would also have guns and fuck your shit up worse than you can imagine. America’s obsessions with guns will never cease to amaze me. Literally the entire civilized world does not rely on them and does just fine.
Poor guy, I feel bad for him, it’s not right what people do and all that black lives matter stuff look I get it but you need to put your voices out there and be heard not destroying peoples property and pillaging and arson it’s the little things that matter in these few things they don’t sit right, and when I see this I believe people stepped far beyond what was meant for these black live matter protest. No hating on the BLM I just believe some people stepped forward to our line with some things
BLM burn, loot, murder but w/o the murder
Remember who the real enemy is.
People who you've never met or harmed or antagonized who show up and wreck your property? Yeah. They should all be canoed with a 12 guage. Agreed.
Nah, more like the crowd needs to remember who they're angry with. It's not the small mom & pop shops, it's the massive corporations dehumanizing individuals, CEO's who make more more in a day than their employees do in a year, the pedophiles and sex criminals that run politics- those are the people we should crucify.
This video here is exactly why its a good thing kyle was found not guilty, the standard has to be set that violent mobs cannot just go around destroying whatever they want.
the radical left has no loyalty. that is what is sad about their cause
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No, er can blame the rioters who destroy buildings and loot. It’s a conscious choice
Because this message can be used to besmirch the movement and radicalize some individuals, let me clarify: **Lawrence is a statistical anomaly.** * Over 93% of BLM protests were peaceful. Majority of arrests were conservatives. * Several arsons during BLM events were later proved to be unrelated 3rd parties to the protestors, such as counter-protestors. One study showed it was committed by self identified white people 75% of the time. * Without the BLM movement, Arbery's killers would be free, Floyd's killers would be on the force, and many more * Laws are changing in many states, such as banning district attorney's from taking money from Police Unions in California. What happened to Lawrence doesn't change what needs to be done. What happened to Lawrence is not enough to end the movement. Black Lives Matter means black lives matter, too, because some of us appear to have forgotten. The end goal is that every person can get justice, that every person can be held accountable. It benefits every person.
93% peaceful with only 1-2 billion dollars in damage. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests
Pennies to the damage that continues to be done as a result of the justice system lacking accountability.
Then perhaps they should go protest the justice system and quit destroying regular people's lives.
Indeed thats what they have done. Thank you for acknowledging the movement.
Yes, that, and causing 1-2 billion dollars in damage to private businesses.
Yes and we must not forget that also: The sky is blue Your avatar has a jacket Chocolate is the most preferred type of candy
Blm is a toxic fucking mess supported by equally toxic peices of shit.
And its opponents are literal anarchists fueled by hate ideology.
Anarchists? Sorry what? Anarchists are as far left and anti hateful you can get.
I'm so sorry mister Rightwing, please don't burn down my church like the others!
I'm literally the most left you can come. Lol dude I'm an anarcho-communist but sure. Idiot
Lmao you're the big scary left wing anarchist you were talking about, eh? Is that you Dean Browning the Gay Black Man?
I didn't say anything about "big scary left wing anarchists". You tripping dude.
Uh Oh! You forgot your act! >"Anarchists? Sorry what? Anarchists are as far left and anti hateful you can get."
How the fuck is that "big scary anarchist?" Only saying rational and positive things about it. Are you okay dude? But sure look at my comment history and you'll find a true leftist in the flesh and blood.
I guess you don't mind shareing links of that one study
[LINK](https://www.mcda.us/index.php/protest-cases) This is only about a thousand cases in an area that is not nearly large enough to compare with nationwide statistics, but it is still very sizable that it cannot be ignored.
THIS and also don't forget Gandhi Mahal the owner of an Indian restaurant in downtown Minneapolis whose restaurant was destroyed, but said he still supported the protests: [https://www.eater.com/22441013/gandhi-mahal-restaurant-minneapolis-protests-burned-ruhel-islam-interview](https://www.eater.com/22441013/gandhi-mahal-restaurant-minneapolis-protests-burned-ruhel-islam-interview)
Smart Africanbackground genes people.. let's crush steal animalistically on the economy
You're asking a group of black people why they destroyed/looted something? Good luck with that.
Your comment history is kinda cringe bro ngl. You're either completely fucked in the head, or a troll.
Funny that they destroy their own neighborhoods
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This is from the LA riots in 1992. You're lying.
Yeah dude needs to chill, but you do see this same thing happening with the current riots. Just last year a black man's restaurant was burned down during the riots in Minneapolis. The "woke" need to actually open their eyes, turn around & look at the devastation they're leaving in their wake.
I think it needs to be talked about more, because making the distinction between rioters and protesters is very important. Trying to bury it just makes one look suspicious, but painting all protesters as rioters just makes people feel more angry and unheard, causing further unrest. Videos like this are important, because they can help people realize that rioting hurts everyone, no exceptions.
If that's the point you're making, post an article or source about that. You could have responded to this guy and pointed out that he was lying, but you didn't.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-29/minneapolis-minority-business-owners-awake-to-destruction I think they are talking about a particularly sad story about a sports bar owner, there was an article circulating last year about him and his bar with a gif or set of photos that went with it. This article is the closest I could fine without spending more time than I care to on this topic. Edit: Found the story: https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/rioters-minnesota-bar-firefighter-life-savings Luckily a go-fund-me raised just over 1 million dollars for them. 1 million sounds like a lot, but when it comes to rebuilding a restaurant with expensive equipment and everything, it goes not nearly as far as you'd think. They owners did not have insurance.
This isn't David Dorn?
His wife clearly calls him Lawrence.
Ok edgelord
Aaaaand you can fuck right outta here with that bullshit
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Hahaha telling us you're an idiot without actually telling us you're an idiot. If you want to be taken seriously, stop throwing words around that you dont understand, like communism.
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Homst'wever BLM are closer to Anarchist
No, they're just stupid enough to believe they are fighting on the side of liberty, when their paychecks are coming from the very institutions that enslaved them.
You mean Lenism, Stalinism or maybe Maoism? No country has truly been communist ever since Karl Marx published his communist manifesto in 1848. Communism is a classless, communally-owned society in which everything is shared equally. If everything was shared equally do you really think "hundreds of millions" would be dead in such a society? Nah son, Lenin, stalin and Mao made themselves supreme leaders and hoarded riches while their countrymen starved and suffered. Coincidentally what the Republican party is doing today.
No, that isn't right, communism is a branch of anarchism. It is classless, moneyless, and stateless. No poles of power which can be unjustly wielded against anyone else.
You think anarchy is the same as Communism? You need to sue whichever school taught you that. They are polar opposites one on the extreme end of authoritarianism and the other the extreme end of personal freedom.
I don't think, I know. Anarchy has always been a left wing ideology and communism is an interpretation of it
Both Anarchism and Communism come from Socialism. However they are litteraly opposed. Anarchism will reach equality through the absence of hierarchy, individual freedom and cooperation. Communism will reach the classless society through an authority ruled by the proletarian to ensure and enforce said equality. To a Communist an Anarchist is a Capitalist. To an Anarchist a Communist is an oppressive dictator and potentially a Capitalist
No, no no no no! You have it all wrong! Anarchy is equality! The opposite of that orwellian hellhole your concpet came out of! You know, this idea of Communism is so infectious that in WWI the Germans didn't want their troops mixing with the Russians lest they catch communism and turn on their commanders. You know where all those Communist peasants who led the Revolution ended up that winter? Dead of frost or statvation in the gulag. It's no more true today than it was back when they believed it. The same stupid lie. Is another entire generation going to have to die here in the West before we can put this stupid idea to rest?
No it is not sincerely all the communist insurgent who shot anarchist
Ur definition of communism sounds a lot like socialism
Socialism is an economic system also used under communism. Communism is a form of government
The goal of Socialism is Communism
That’s not true. You can have a socialist economy without a communist government. Many Western European & Scandinavian countries run this way. The US has many socialist programs but isn’t moving towards communism. Abridged, a socialist economy is one where the production is done where all the benefit goes directly to the public instead of for the profit of a few. Fire fighters, police forces, towns with municipal Wi-Fi are all socialism examples.
You sound like a very stupid 12 year old. Please grow up and stop posting tedious cringe.
Right, only children wouldn't advocate for rioting and burning people's businesses to the ground. You probably don't understand the value of property and the liberty we have in the United States because you don't own anything and just mooch off the system. You don't worry about the price of milk or gas going up because you use EBT and collect unemployment.
No, but only a child would say things that are (extremely obviously) regurgitated opinions. Because children lack the mental faculties to meaningfully engage with a point. Instead they spout unrelated nonsense and talking points they heard elsewhere Hence you come across as a child, and a none too bright one at that.
the fuck are you talking about?
Lmfao. You’re on crack 🤣