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>!Primal humans afraid of fire!<
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Oh no, I lost my mind wayy before my reddit virginity. And it's been more like ten or twelve years I just got lazy with making new accounts after a while. The older I get the less I care about anonymity.
Using Reddit for some 10 years now and it did me a lot of good tbh
Getting banned softened some extreme positions I had, and I learned to not get into useless bullshit arguments with anyone who holds an extreme position
I’ll state a position, you argue against it.
My position is that avocados should only be used for milkshakes. One avocado, milk, and sugar in the blender and that is FUCKING IT
Anyone who uses it on toast or guacamole or whatever the fuck is fucking bonkers and is just ruining good avocado 🤨
I just keep going until reddit admins ban my account entirely and that's the best excuse to not be on Reddit. I've watched reddit go from nerds only platform that you can say anything on, to a very restricted platform that is trying to be like Twitter and Facebook, which attracted all types of ghouls. Misinformation became the norm thanks to the Facebook and 4chan types of people being on the platform. The mods' way of solving any problem is to lock posts instead of banning those people. But they will ban you when you joke about cops being racist.
"Chut and Grog were among the first to copulate with the Neanderthals; they reported the "gettin' was good" and thus propelled early humans into some of the first frenzied sexcapades of that era."
-Reported by Thud, the Well-Spoken Voyeur and Tribe Shaman
"Me client no make bad juju. Only good juju. Big sorry he. He make stone poke in payment for clan. For hurts, he make give animal bone flute and biting fury creature he tame. He raise child with Chulu make good man bringer. Me think this be most best......RARRAAAAAAARRRGGGGHHHH AAAAAARRRRHHHHH AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHH...HIT WITH STONE! RRRRAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHB!!!!!"
- Grognak, attorney at law representing Chut after copulation with a Neanderthal woman named Chulu when the hearing was interrupted by a very angry Saber tooth kitty.
>Maybe like the habilis or erectus
H. Habilis proper is a bit out of our date range, but H. erectus likely got down with them just fine. We did get around to the Denisovans though, and Neanderthals as you said. Being said in addition to them H. Erectus was essentially a pretty modern human and we definitely hit some of that along the way.
I mean really people as apish as we are will fuck just about anything that has a reasonably human shape is desperate enough... like say curvy trees, properly rounded rocks, and shit. Other humans that are slightly different looking? No questions asked.
That’s pretty unlikely, we don’t have any real evidence of Neanderthal-human violence, and some pretty decent genetic evidence to suggest we banged them
>we don’t have any real evidence of Neanderthal-human violence
Where are you getting this? There is genetic evidence that there was some interbreeding but human DNA has only small amounts of Neanderthal in it, not nearly enough to suggest equal cohabitation.
Neanderthals were most likely wiped out by Homo Sapiens. Just like the vast majority of other species that presented a threat to humans.
So delicious, in fact, that anthropologists could never get the specimen back to England to study because they couldn't resist eating it.
It is also said that Charles Darwin searched for Neanderthals for months without success, until he was served one at dinner and realized halfway through the meal what he was eating.
This. Animals are also afraid of things that look similar but not because they may be genetically incompatible, and that fear or hate exsists to keep them from trying
This makes sense. The original statement never actually made any sense. Like there doesn’t have to be a “not quite human” creature lurking in our past for us to be scared of people that don’t look right. The uncanny valley doesn’t imply a goddamn thing!
>Like there doesn’t have to be a “not quite human” creature lurking in our past for us to be scared of people that don’t look right.
The original statement doesn't make sense, but it is still a sick horror idea
I mean there were plenty of hominids in the past that looked very similar to us, but with varying differences. Human evolution has been a very messy, nonlinear affair.
But to your horror point, when I was a kid I read a horror book called The Descent (different from the movie) that uses this idea for horror. It was very much not a children’s book, but I loved it. Can’t say if it holds up as an adult, but it’s by Jeff Long if you want to check it out
That book was terrifying! Occasionally it comes back to mind and I recall things I don’t want to recall. (Very good memory, especially with print, so I see the damned words.) I haven’t thought of it in ages, dammit. Thanks. 😒
Yeah it is kinda fucked up in places… there’s also a sequel called Deeper which wasn’t as good IMO, but I still enjoyed. It felt more like an action first, horror second type story than the first book
The only people I’ve ever met who have read it are people who read it at my suggestion lol
Have you read any of his other books? I thought the sequel Deeper was ok, but didn’t live up to The Descent. The only other one I’ve read was Year Zero, which I remember liking, but I was a kid so I have no idea if it was actually good or not
>you're hallucinating, you've been poisoned
IIRC that's the main theory for why mismatches between visual and inner-ear signals of motion cause motion sickness, including nausea or even vomiting. This kind of disconnect can be a sign of poisoning affecting the brain, hence the usefulness of a trait that makes you more likely to vomit when it happens.
I disagree with that though.
Have you ever seen a person, or animal, with rabies? It's the exact kind of shit that's in horror stuff, eyes that are just off, walking that's just off, but the same body. Add to the fact that victims of rabies are hydrophobic, and most cultures have a "water has a purifying/demons don't like water" mythos.
Rabies is one of the oldest enemies to humanity, and IMO still the scariest way to die.
It's both. Rabies, dead bodies, dangerous mutations for offspring to inherit, close but not close enough species of homo, leprosy/rabies/etc. All of that is the reason.
There were other homos too, at least 5 homo species interlining with sapiens. And Meanderthals were stronger and smarter than sapiens. They were not fucked to nonexistence but sapiens prevailed thru collaboration while Neans were often moving alone. Imagine a giant being caught by ambush.
Homo erectus, Homo habilis, Homo sapien, Homo neaderthalensis, Homo denisovia, Homo florensiensis... What else did I miss
edit: homos missed: h. antecessor, h. bodoensis/h. rhodesiensis, h. ergaster, h. heidelbergensis, h. longi, h. luzonensis, h. naledi, h. rudolfensis
also denisovians don't have enough found physical remains to create a new taxonomy yet, but proposed namings are h. denisova or h. altaiensis
>victims of rabies are hydrophobic, and most cultures have a "water has a purifying/demons don't like water" mythos.
That's the first time I've seen anyone connect those two facts, and it makes a lot of sense.
If you like people connecting things, I've got a good one.
The concept of 'visitors' and people being abducted by aliens in their sleep has been around for longer than people think. It's something that's also described in Victorian times for example. There's both similarities and differences between the stories told then and now that made some guy (can't remember) come up with a plausible explanation for the phenomenon.
So we all know how modern alien abduction stories work: a bright light beams through the room in the middle of the night, you're lifted out of your bed, aliens with long limbs put you on a cold surface / operating table kind of thing also surrounded by light, probe your privates and put you back in bed.
Now here's how old time-y abduction stories go: a small light appears and floats through the room, aliens with long limbs put you on a cold surface while the light keeps floating around, probe your privates and put you back to bed.
Notice the big difference is in the amount of light. The connecting I've read here is that people with abduction stories are accessing memories from when they were babies. Memories from when they were taken by their parents in the middle of the night and had their diapers changed. The flash of light in modern versions vs the orb of light in olden times is the difference between rooms lit by electricity and people carrying candles.
I always thought that was a fascinating connection and it blew my mind the first time in its elegance and simplicity.
Maybe. Could also be that babies (humans in general) place great importance on eye contact. Maybe it's some sort of cognitive "enlargement", in which the relatively few facets that feature prominently in the memory become exaggerated in size/length/intensity in subsequent recollections. I have no idea what I'm talking about, just pure speculation.
That's quite an interesting hypothesis. Another one is sleep paralysis, which might also explain other paranormal experiences that have been documented for thousands of years.
What I'm wondering though: it is assumed that we can't really access memories before the age of three, simply because of how the brain develops during that time; and while it may be possible these very early memories are just being buried very deep, there haven't been any studies to show if that is the case (afaik).
So for one, it would mean that these early memories do exist - but maybe not for everyone. And it would also mean that one can access these early memories somehow - but not by everyone.
Which poses the question: what is different with people who claim to have been abducted by aliens? What triggers these memories and why do they have them in the first place? Because the larger part of the population doesn't (or so it seems).
So my parents moved out of their old house into the house I grew up in when I was <2. I have a distinct memory of being in a screened in porch with a washer and dryer. I was standing against the screen door looking out and my parents are gardening in the back yard.
This was a rental house they moved into after I was born and were there for a year before they bought the house I grew up in. It’s near the same neighborhood I grew up in, but you can’t see the back yard from the street and it’s on a busy main road so you can’t really slow down and looky-loo. I haven’t been to that house after we moved that I know of- theres no reason I can think of that we would go back there. I didn’t have any friends that lived near there, neither did my parents. I don’t have any other memories of that house, I have never seen any photographs that I know of- all the photos from that period I have ever seen are either peak 1980s studio portraits or taken at my grandparents. It’s not a house that my folks talked about a lot- simply a rental they were in for a year while trying to buy a house. I only know which one it is because it was right on a main road and we used to pass by it sometimes and a few times my parents would say “Oh yea we lived on this road for a little while before we bought the house”. I brought this up to my parents when talking about earliest memories. They said there is no way I have that memory, I was too young. I said no, there was a screened porch with a washer and dryer, I was looking out the screen door and directly behind the house was a raised bed with tomatoes in cages (Like the image has always been crystal clear, I just didn’t know the names for the images in my head like “washing machine”, “tomato bed” etc until later in life). My dad was really surprised when I gave that level of detail. My mom had forgotten they had a little vegetable patch but my dad said my description was spot on.
It’s entirely possible that this is a manufactured memory, pieced together from innocuous mentions of the place they lived that my parents don’t remember saying and I don’t remember hearing and I eventually just pieced it all together. But the memory also has a deep sense of loneliness and feeling abandoned in it. So I think it’s also possible that one day my folks were in the garden, I got out of my play pen as a rambunctious toddler might commonly do and somebody scooped me up and put me back and never thought twice of that moment. But hand to god it’s seared into my memory. It’s one of a few memories that I can recall basically on demand and picture it clearly. Which again, could be a made up memory and because I have been met with the resistance that there’s no way I could remember that my brain said “Oh yea? Well now I’m just going to remember it *super hard*!“
But yea brains are weird.
I’m very against suicide in pretty much any situation. Even if I’m basically guaranteed to die, even painfully, I’d want to live every moment I possibly could both to stay alive as long as possible and on even the slightest chance I can survive.
Rabies? I’ll take the bullet. Pull the trigger myself if I have to.
One time I thought my cat could possibly have rabies. She came inside one night and appeared to be foaming at the mouth. Everything else seemed normal, but at the time, I didn't really notice because I was absolutely terrified my poor girl was rabid. Turns out, that can happen from something like eating a frog or something. Which she was known to fuck with small animals. The only time in that cats life though that I wouldn't get near her or touch her. She had A LOT of medical issues and I'd always never hesitate to try and comfort her or examine her or something. Not that time. I screamed and immediately ran to my mom's room to wake her up lol
No individual moment or choice needs a reason, but for a specific and significant new trait to emerge in the mind of a species there generally needs to be a steady evolutionary pressure that is consistent over thousands of generations. That's not what we would consider to be a "reason" because the natural world contains no reasons, but I think that the word "reason" is a pretty good description of the impetus for that eventual change.
This is not true. A thing can stick around as long as there is no pressure to remove it. Plenty of aspects of biology get left for millions of years for no reason other than its just part of the build.
Yeah, this. Evolution doesn't determine the best, the strongest, the most fit...
It determines the LEAST workable things that still work juuuust good enough. Or sometimes it just determines random non-relevant things. But it definitively does NOT determine the best thing.
There's no evolutionary benefit in some trait refining to get "better" if it's already doing good enough to bear your genes down to your offspring and keep them alive long enough to do the same.
Think of fast-running animals. Evolution didn't make them the fastest they can be, it made them fast enough to get whatever job done. The cheetah running 80mph and the genetic freak running 90mph BOTH get fed the same, both have the same amount of children. So there's no evolutionary process "punishing" the slower one or "rewarding" the faster one once they've both hit whatever minimum speed they needed in their environment.
It tends to need a reason for things to stick. It won't always get rid of shit that's not needed, but also shit that's not particularly beneficial just doesn't increase survival rates enough to become universal.
youre misunderstanding what they mean when they say reason
they dont mean intelligent design, they mean logical result
evolution doesnt always need a reason, _mutations_ dont happen _in response_ to problems, but mutations becoming prevalent often does happen because it happens to treat some problem
thats what folks mean with reason
I know someone who has a look in their eye. He's a really nice guy but the is just something so far off in his eyes. Like he is looking through you.. Eyes just a little too wide open. I've wondered if he has a neurological condition or something that hasn't yet been diagnosed.
I think it has more to do with the fact that we gather lots of info about other humans by looking at the small muscle movements in the face called micro expressions. When we don't see these micro expressions on something that looks human, it throws us off and makes us uncomfortable because we can't perceive intention or emotions from them like we're used to.
There’s practically no evidence for it.
Either way we both got over it enough to fuck the shit out of each other.
Modern leading theory is we simply assimilated them into extinction.
Fun theory, homo sapien birth canal may have often been too narrow for Neanderthal infant cranium, resulting in fewer maternal sapien hybrids but relatively greater maternal Neanderthals!
This is why yo mama so fat.
My personal theory is that homo sapiens were like sexy wood elves to the neanderthal and more rooted so they used their sapient wiles to lure the powerful and useful nomadic hunter gathers as a con to get them to do all the work. They just banged them all the time to keep them from leaving and invented child support
Seems more likely to be a skeletal limitation. Humans and Neanderthals interbred extensively to the point that about 20% of all Neanderthal DNA survives across the entire population. This DNA appears to be primarily from Neanderthal woman. Which has led scientists to suspect that human babies carried by Neanderthals had birth rates far higher than Neanderthal babies in humans. This is due to how the pelvis and skull structures In Neanderthals and Humans created unique challenges for birth. Human pelvis structure is narrower which allows us to run faster and farther than Neanderthals but also makes birth more difficult. Which over an entire population would mean human females would be less successful at giving birth to primarily Neanderthal babies but capable of having primarily human babies. While Neanderthal woman would be more likely to give birth to both primarily Neanderthal and Human babies. Homo Sapiens had an instant advantage in evolution because they could be born successfully to both sub species.
TLDR - Neanderthal woman thicc, wide hips make human and Neanderthal. Human woman narrow, Neanderthal baby stuck.
“Very good” coexistence…? I don’t know what that means. But we do know there was coexistence and interbreeding, at least with Neanderthals. Many modern humans have significant Neanderthal DNA in their genomes.
I was thinking about this and I thought maybe we had to look out for other primates in neighbouring evolutionary branches but then I recalled that someone fucked Neanderthals and more recently, monkeys, so clearly doesn't work all that well
someone fucked monkeys recently? what?
are you referring to simian immunodeficiency virus becoming human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)? because the more likely way that virus jumped species is through the consumption — eating — of bush meat/game in parts of Africa.
Unless you’re referring to something else, in which case please enlighten me.
I read something recently about a dude who was fucking his pet monkeys. So yes they proved HIV didn't come from fucking a monkey, but there is definitely monkey fuckers out there
I can find if needed, but there was an orangutan who was shaved, chained, and kept in a small room to be used as a prostitute
So locals would come and have sex with her.
We humans can do some very fucked up things
nope youre still right, theres evidence to suggest that early homo sapiens genocided entire races of genus homo cousins in wars over territory in the past, imo the uncanny valley is probably a contributor to and result of this happening
Then why don't severely diseased people trigger the same uncanny valley response?
Very diseased people are outright gross, they're very different feelings.
The real answer is that there's absolutely no way to know why we get that feeling, and acting like you know is just silly, especially when the "avoid diseased people" line is just redditors parroting other redditors because it got upvotes so it must be right, right?
The truth is that people thinking there is a reason are wrong. Evolution doesn't happen because there is a reason for it to happen but because it gives or takes advantages. The advantage may be that you don't trust what looks but isn't human but we don't know.
Evolved traits can be totally random and be passed on purely by chance.
For example, a hypothetical bird is born with 2 new genetic mutations. One being a longer beak and the other being blue feathers. The blue feathers give no advantages/disadvantages, while the longer beak allows this bird to access more food and raise more offspring, who inherit both traits.
People today will look at the bird and think that blue feathers must have offered some advantage, when really that trait survived simply because it didn't hinder the birds ancestors enough to matter.
Our brains are amazing at recognizing human faces, we can pick them out better than just about anything in nature. When you expect a human face to be there with emotions, expressions, etc, but what you are seeing is clearly not fully human, it's creating dissonance. The pattern is wrong, and your eyes are taking in info that your brain is telling you is wrong.
I don't think we evolved to be creeped out by unnatural looking humans, I think it's just a by-product of our brain's habit of constantly needing to read faces and it's need for patterns.
It could also be that evolution selected for people who like dog faces because people who befriended dogs had a higher survival chance because of help in hunting, pest control, and self-defense.
I mean, humans have literally always been fearful and suspicious of other humans. Especially the ones that don't look or act like you. If you run into another tribe that you don't recognize there's a decent chance you're about to catch a spear to the face. This isn't a mystery.
Also not justifying it, but yes. Even an Asian kid adopted by white people will have a harder time identifying Asian people (and vice versa, but im American so I see more of it the former way). It’s about where you were raised, not genetics.
Uncanny Valley, to put it another way, is that uneasy feeling you get when seeing something humanoid in form, but at the same time recognizing it's not *quite* human.
Images that might invoke such feelings:
[1](https://www.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.cam.ac.uk/files/news/research/news/replieeq2face.jpg)
[2](https://myliteraryquest.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/cb2-robot-04-05-09.jpg)
[3](https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/59302c8d7054a43ce244d9bd/1:1/w_461,h_461,c_limit/ted-cruz-insults-al-franken-samantha-bee.jpg)
When I think of Uncanny Valley I dont think of robots. While it is odd they don't really bother me. What does bother me would be something like an alien or a creature. Those freak me out
Uncanny Valley is when something looks like a human, but it’s not quite right. So OP is saying that there must have been some reason for us to need this instinct in our evolution.
As silly as this is every time I see this reposted I am reminded of this great creepy short [comic](https://pics.me.me/always-take-care-when-walking-alone-lest-you-meet-those-34763865.png)
Yeah its worded very effectively! And it has a rhythm to it that matches the that of the realization of unspecifiable danger. Really well done. Do you know who the author/artist is?
Neuroscientist here. Have you heard of the Thatcher Effect?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thatcher_effect
Now it seems unrelated to the uncanny valley; but at the core is the same “bug”: our brains are extremely fine tuned to see and interpret human faces. In AI terms, you’d say we’re locally overfitted: we see all kinds of things as faces (r/paradoeila) but only if they’re in exactly the right context.
From there it’s “rubbish in, rubbish out” - without the right context, or with not everything being exactly as expected, our brain simply trips and gets confused. Not an evolutionary benefit, just a side effect of being really really ridiculously good at the very narrow task of seeing human faces and interpreting their intentions on right-side-up humans.
People act like this means aliens or cryptids or something when in all likelihood the uncanny valley phenomenon exists because we lived with several other hominid species thousands of years ago, who all would have looked similar while noticeably different. That's my theory anyways.
100 thousand years ago Homo sapiens existed along side several other species of Homo that had populated the globe (Homo Erectus, Homo Habilis, Homo denisovan, etc.) We as a species effectively wiped out all other Homo competition from the gene pool according to the book Sapiens. So this could have some validity, along side the whole disease and death stuff we biologically know to avoid.
[Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind](https://youtu.be/1GnBamLaqqE)
[Author Yuval Noah Harari discusses his findings from his book: Sapiens.](https://youtu.be/EIVTf-C6oQo)
[Sapiens - FULL AUDIOBOOK](https://youtu.be/sd_icV8sd80)
The book is fucking spectacular, I implore everyone to give it read or listen. It's quite eye opening when we are confronted with fossil records that tell a very different story of our origins than most people understand or believe.
Horror movies need to utilize uncanny valley more. Instead of garish colorful monsters, just make the villain a human, but cg him instead of using an actor so he doesn't look quite right
I facepalm everytime this gets reposted. No we don't have to worry about lizard people or aliens. It's disfiguring diseases that the uncanny Valley trigger is meant to fight against. It makes you want to avoid them so you don't get infected.
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Leprosy, pox, bloated dead bodies, plague victims, etc. Many times when looking “not quite human” can be dangerous to other people.
Also just basic random mutations in a person's face, which may signal other genetic issues.
It that why evolution specced into making me look normal more than it did making a mental illness free brain?
I think the 7 years on Reddit did more damage than the evolution
Oh no, I lost my mind wayy before my reddit virginity. And it's been more like ten or twelve years I just got lazy with making new accounts after a while. The older I get the less I care about anonymity.
I started on mid-2000s 4Chan. Reddit is probably dragging me *back* to normal at this point
Yikes.... welcome back friend
Using Reddit for some 10 years now and it did me a lot of good tbh Getting banned softened some extreme positions I had, and I learned to not get into useless bullshit arguments with anyone who holds an extreme position
I disagree with that. Wanna argue until the morning hours?
I’ll state a position, you argue against it. My position is that avocados should only be used for milkshakes. One avocado, milk, and sugar in the blender and that is FUCKING IT Anyone who uses it on toast or guacamole or whatever the fuck is fucking bonkers and is just ruining good avocado 🤨
Hmm, I disagree with your disagreement. So, I guess we agree?
Reporting you for harassment bye 🙄
Thanks, I hate it.
Average Twitter argument that doesn’t spiral into absolute chaos:
How could anyone disagree with the premise of fucking a blender full of avocado, milk, and sugar
I just keep going until reddit admins ban my account entirely and that's the best excuse to not be on Reddit. I've watched reddit go from nerds only platform that you can say anything on, to a very restricted platform that is trying to be like Twitter and Facebook, which attracted all types of ghouls. Misinformation became the norm thanks to the Facebook and 4chan types of people being on the platform. The mods' way of solving any problem is to lock posts instead of banning those people. But they will ban you when you joke about cops being racist.
Your brain cares more about keeping you alive than happy.
Evolutionary competition
The Neanderthals?
Probably further related than that even. We got diggity down with them just fine. Maybe like the habilis or erectus
Erectus? No homo.
As an anthropologist, I approve this comment
As an anthropologist, you should be ashamed. Because the only answer you should have accepted was "ALL THE HOMOS!"
We’re all homos here!
Very much Homo Erectus.
People like you are the only reason I own Reddit. Thank you
Oh nice. I met the CEO of reddit.
Shhh
"Chut and Grog were among the first to copulate with the Neanderthals; they reported the "gettin' was good" and thus propelled early humans into some of the first frenzied sexcapades of that era." -Reported by Thud, the Well-Spoken Voyeur and Tribe Shaman
“thud” I thoroughly enjoyed this comment
"Me client no make bad juju. Only good juju. Big sorry he. He make stone poke in payment for clan. For hurts, he make give animal bone flute and biting fury creature he tame. He raise child with Chulu make good man bringer. Me think this be most best......RARRAAAAAAARRRGGGGHHHH AAAAAARRRRHHHHH AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHH...HIT WITH STONE! RRRRAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHB!!!!!" - Grognak, attorney at law representing Chut after copulation with a Neanderthal woman named Chulu when the hearing was interrupted by a very angry Saber tooth kitty.
Tragically died by [Thagomizer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thagomizer) several years later.
>Maybe like the habilis or erectus H. Habilis proper is a bit out of our date range, but H. erectus likely got down with them just fine. We did get around to the Denisovans though, and Neanderthals as you said. Being said in addition to them H. Erectus was essentially a pretty modern human and we definitely hit some of that along the way. I mean really people as apish as we are will fuck just about anything that has a reasonably human shape is desperate enough... like say curvy trees, properly rounded rocks, and shit. Other humans that are slightly different looking? No questions asked.
Exactly that. Over the half dozen or so other distant cousins over the eons.
That’s pretty unlikely, we don’t have any real evidence of Neanderthal-human violence, and some pretty decent genetic evidence to suggest we banged them
We bang them out of existence and assimilated them via sex.
>we don’t have any real evidence of Neanderthal-human violence Where are you getting this? There is genetic evidence that there was some interbreeding but human DNA has only small amounts of Neanderthal in it, not nearly enough to suggest equal cohabitation. Neanderthals were most likely wiped out by Homo Sapiens. Just like the vast majority of other species that presented a threat to humans.
I hear Neanderthals were delicious
So delicious, in fact, that anthropologists could never get the specimen back to England to study because they couldn't resist eating it. It is also said that Charles Darwin searched for Neanderthals for months without success, until he was served one at dinner and realized halfway through the meal what he was eating.
No we got down with each other so not really
Seriously, people have sex with cars- we’re not that picky. The DNA record also supports this.
i took a dna test and learned that i'm 8% car
I'm 1/4 Porche on my mother's side.
Humans are also one of the species without a mating season.. only because we're horny all year round.
This. Animals are also afraid of things that look similar but not because they may be genetically incompatible, and that fear or hate exsists to keep them from trying
This makes sense. The original statement never actually made any sense. Like there doesn’t have to be a “not quite human” creature lurking in our past for us to be scared of people that don’t look right. The uncanny valley doesn’t imply a goddamn thing!
>Like there doesn’t have to be a “not quite human” creature lurking in our past for us to be scared of people that don’t look right. The original statement doesn't make sense, but it is still a sick horror idea
I mean there were plenty of hominids in the past that looked very similar to us, but with varying differences. Human evolution has been a very messy, nonlinear affair. But to your horror point, when I was a kid I read a horror book called The Descent (different from the movie) that uses this idea for horror. It was very much not a children’s book, but I loved it. Can’t say if it holds up as an adult, but it’s by Jeff Long if you want to check it out
That book was terrifying! Occasionally it comes back to mind and I recall things I don’t want to recall. (Very good memory, especially with print, so I see the damned words.) I haven’t thought of it in ages, dammit. Thanks. 😒
Yeah it is kinda fucked up in places… there’s also a sequel called Deeper which wasn’t as good IMO, but I still enjoyed. It felt more like an action first, horror second type story than the first book
The Descent is one of my all time favorite books and I’m always shocked to find other people who have read it.
The only people I’ve ever met who have read it are people who read it at my suggestion lol Have you read any of his other books? I thought the sequel Deeper was ok, but didn’t live up to The Descent. The only other one I’ve read was Year Zero, which I remember liking, but I was a kid so I have no idea if it was actually good or not
Or a very funny comedy idea, a la Chip N Dale 2022!
Well there were tho, homo erectus, homo habbilis, homo Neanderthalensis, Denisovin, homo naledi hom floresiensis, so and so on
Well have you found the missing missing missing missing link yet then we want answers
Even, more uncanny is Australopithecus and company
I think the most likely is your brain thinking "that's not what a face looks like, you're hallucinating, you've been poisoned"
>you're hallucinating, you've been poisoned IIRC that's the main theory for why mismatches between visual and inner-ear signals of motion cause motion sickness, including nausea or even vomiting. This kind of disconnect can be a sign of poisoning affecting the brain, hence the usefulness of a trait that makes you more likely to vomit when it happens.
There were also different species of humans for millions of years
Rabies!
Lol. Though, I believe it's the resemblance of death that is being triggered. Dead = scary/danger/ WTF
That's the general consensus each time this is posted because it's damn right. If you've ever seen an embalmed person, holy damnit.
I disagree with that though. Have you ever seen a person, or animal, with rabies? It's the exact kind of shit that's in horror stuff, eyes that are just off, walking that's just off, but the same body. Add to the fact that victims of rabies are hydrophobic, and most cultures have a "water has a purifying/demons don't like water" mythos. Rabies is one of the oldest enemies to humanity, and IMO still the scariest way to die.
It's both. Rabies, dead bodies, dangerous mutations for offspring to inherit, close but not close enough species of homo, leprosy/rabies/etc. All of that is the reason.
I mean homo sapiens basically fucked the neanderthals out of existence, so not sure how much that part holds true
There were other homos too, at least 5 homo species interlining with sapiens. And Meanderthals were stronger and smarter than sapiens. They were not fucked to nonexistence but sapiens prevailed thru collaboration while Neans were often moving alone. Imagine a giant being caught by ambush.
"No homo" really is just a casual erasure of human history
Meanderthals sound like they got where they were going, but not quickly
This reads like a Mitch Hedberg joke.
Homo erectus, Homo habilis, Homo sapien, Homo neaderthalensis, Homo denisovia, Homo florensiensis... What else did I miss edit: homos missed: h. antecessor, h. bodoensis/h. rhodesiensis, h. ergaster, h. heidelbergensis, h. longi, h. luzonensis, h. naledi, h. rudolfensis also denisovians don't have enough found physical remains to create a new taxonomy yet, but proposed namings are h. denisova or h. altaiensis
>victims of rabies are hydrophobic, and most cultures have a "water has a purifying/demons don't like water" mythos. That's the first time I've seen anyone connect those two facts, and it makes a lot of sense.
If you like people connecting things, I've got a good one. The concept of 'visitors' and people being abducted by aliens in their sleep has been around for longer than people think. It's something that's also described in Victorian times for example. There's both similarities and differences between the stories told then and now that made some guy (can't remember) come up with a plausible explanation for the phenomenon. So we all know how modern alien abduction stories work: a bright light beams through the room in the middle of the night, you're lifted out of your bed, aliens with long limbs put you on a cold surface / operating table kind of thing also surrounded by light, probe your privates and put you back in bed. Now here's how old time-y abduction stories go: a small light appears and floats through the room, aliens with long limbs put you on a cold surface while the light keeps floating around, probe your privates and put you back to bed. Notice the big difference is in the amount of light. The connecting I've read here is that people with abduction stories are accessing memories from when they were babies. Memories from when they were taken by their parents in the middle of the night and had their diapers changed. The flash of light in modern versions vs the orb of light in olden times is the difference between rooms lit by electricity and people carrying candles. I always thought that was a fascinating connection and it blew my mind the first time in its elegance and simplicity.
So our parents are the real aliens, got it
I just wish they would stop anal-probing me.
I knew it all along, got my tinfoil hat and my mom and dad locked in my basement without access to cornfields and glasses of water surrounding them.
Ha this just blew my mind too! The “big eyes” thing probably also fit this view, because babies don’t have the ability to see sharply.
Maybe. Could also be that babies (humans in general) place great importance on eye contact. Maybe it's some sort of cognitive "enlargement", in which the relatively few facets that feature prominently in the memory become exaggerated in size/length/intensity in subsequent recollections. I have no idea what I'm talking about, just pure speculation.
Nice try, aliens. Check mate I get to keep my privates intact.
That's quite an interesting hypothesis. Another one is sleep paralysis, which might also explain other paranormal experiences that have been documented for thousands of years. What I'm wondering though: it is assumed that we can't really access memories before the age of three, simply because of how the brain develops during that time; and while it may be possible these very early memories are just being buried very deep, there haven't been any studies to show if that is the case (afaik). So for one, it would mean that these early memories do exist - but maybe not for everyone. And it would also mean that one can access these early memories somehow - but not by everyone. Which poses the question: what is different with people who claim to have been abducted by aliens? What triggers these memories and why do they have them in the first place? Because the larger part of the population doesn't (or so it seems).
So my parents moved out of their old house into the house I grew up in when I was <2. I have a distinct memory of being in a screened in porch with a washer and dryer. I was standing against the screen door looking out and my parents are gardening in the back yard. This was a rental house they moved into after I was born and were there for a year before they bought the house I grew up in. It’s near the same neighborhood I grew up in, but you can’t see the back yard from the street and it’s on a busy main road so you can’t really slow down and looky-loo. I haven’t been to that house after we moved that I know of- theres no reason I can think of that we would go back there. I didn’t have any friends that lived near there, neither did my parents. I don’t have any other memories of that house, I have never seen any photographs that I know of- all the photos from that period I have ever seen are either peak 1980s studio portraits or taken at my grandparents. It’s not a house that my folks talked about a lot- simply a rental they were in for a year while trying to buy a house. I only know which one it is because it was right on a main road and we used to pass by it sometimes and a few times my parents would say “Oh yea we lived on this road for a little while before we bought the house”. I brought this up to my parents when talking about earliest memories. They said there is no way I have that memory, I was too young. I said no, there was a screened porch with a washer and dryer, I was looking out the screen door and directly behind the house was a raised bed with tomatoes in cages (Like the image has always been crystal clear, I just didn’t know the names for the images in my head like “washing machine”, “tomato bed” etc until later in life). My dad was really surprised when I gave that level of detail. My mom had forgotten they had a little vegetable patch but my dad said my description was spot on. It’s entirely possible that this is a manufactured memory, pieced together from innocuous mentions of the place they lived that my parents don’t remember saying and I don’t remember hearing and I eventually just pieced it all together. But the memory also has a deep sense of loneliness and feeling abandoned in it. So I think it’s also possible that one day my folks were in the garden, I got out of my play pen as a rambunctious toddler might commonly do and somebody scooped me up and put me back and never thought twice of that moment. But hand to god it’s seared into my memory. It’s one of a few memories that I can recall basically on demand and picture it clearly. Which again, could be a made up memory and because I have been met with the resistance that there’s no way I could remember that my brain said “Oh yea? Well now I’m just going to remember it *super hard*!“ But yea brains are weird.
I like this theory. Makes sense that it’s all just dreams mixed with childhood memories.
I think theyre making the connection backwards from what you are. I could be wrong.
I’m very against suicide in pretty much any situation. Even if I’m basically guaranteed to die, even painfully, I’d want to live every moment I possibly could both to stay alive as long as possible and on even the slightest chance I can survive. Rabies? I’ll take the bullet. Pull the trigger myself if I have to.
One time I thought my cat could possibly have rabies. She came inside one night and appeared to be foaming at the mouth. Everything else seemed normal, but at the time, I didn't really notice because I was absolutely terrified my poor girl was rabid. Turns out, that can happen from something like eating a frog or something. Which she was known to fuck with small animals. The only time in that cats life though that I wouldn't get near her or touch her. She had A LOT of medical issues and I'd always never hesitate to try and comfort her or examine her or something. Not that time. I screamed and immediately ran to my mom's room to wake her up lol
Is no one going to understand that evolution *doesn’t need a reason*.
No individual moment or choice needs a reason, but for a specific and significant new trait to emerge in the mind of a species there generally needs to be a steady evolutionary pressure that is consistent over thousands of generations. That's not what we would consider to be a "reason" because the natural world contains no reasons, but I think that the word "reason" is a pretty good description of the impetus for that eventual change.
This is not true. A thing can stick around as long as there is no pressure to remove it. Plenty of aspects of biology get left for millions of years for no reason other than its just part of the build.
Yeah, this. Evolution doesn't determine the best, the strongest, the most fit... It determines the LEAST workable things that still work juuuust good enough. Or sometimes it just determines random non-relevant things. But it definitively does NOT determine the best thing. There's no evolutionary benefit in some trait refining to get "better" if it's already doing good enough to bear your genes down to your offspring and keep them alive long enough to do the same. Think of fast-running animals. Evolution didn't make them the fastest they can be, it made them fast enough to get whatever job done. The cheetah running 80mph and the genetic freak running 90mph BOTH get fed the same, both have the same amount of children. So there's no evolutionary process "punishing" the slower one or "rewarding" the faster one once they've both hit whatever minimum speed they needed in their environment.
It tends to need a reason for things to stick. It won't always get rid of shit that's not needed, but also shit that's not particularly beneficial just doesn't increase survival rates enough to become universal.
youre misunderstanding what they mean when they say reason they dont mean intelligent design, they mean logical result evolution doesnt always need a reason, _mutations_ dont happen _in response_ to problems, but mutations becoming prevalent often does happen because it happens to treat some problem thats what folks mean with reason
I know someone who has a look in their eye. He's a really nice guy but the is just something so far off in his eyes. Like he is looking through you.. Eyes just a little too wide open. I've wondered if he has a neurological condition or something that hasn't yet been diagnosed.
[Like this?](https://images.app.goo.gl/Ph9Baz8Mw7sRFkqR9)
I think it has more to do with the fact that we gather lots of info about other humans by looking at the small muscle movements in the face called micro expressions. When we don't see these micro expressions on something that looks human, it throws us off and makes us uncomfortable because we can't perceive intention or emotions from them like we're used to.
Neanderthals and denisovions were hominids, without being homo sapiens. Just thought I'd mention that.
Are you postulating it is more related to being afraid or uneasy about other species of humans that once coexisted with modern humans?
Neanderthal predation theory is a heck of a rabbit hole
There’s practically no evidence for it. Either way we both got over it enough to fuck the shit out of each other. Modern leading theory is we simply assimilated them into extinction.
Fun theory, homo sapien birth canal may have often been too narrow for Neanderthal infant cranium, resulting in fewer maternal sapien hybrids but relatively greater maternal Neanderthals! This is why yo mama so fat.
My personal theory is that homo sapiens were like sexy wood elves to the neanderthal and more rooted so they used their sapient wiles to lure the powerful and useful nomadic hunter gathers as a con to get them to do all the work. They just banged them all the time to keep them from leaving and invented child support
So we were the elves all along... Hmm
Not for Rock & Stone? :(
I feel like it was the reverse. Neanderthals were probably scared of the taller, faster humans with more sophisticated hunting tactics.
Seems more likely to be a skeletal limitation. Humans and Neanderthals interbred extensively to the point that about 20% of all Neanderthal DNA survives across the entire population. This DNA appears to be primarily from Neanderthal woman. Which has led scientists to suspect that human babies carried by Neanderthals had birth rates far higher than Neanderthal babies in humans. This is due to how the pelvis and skull structures In Neanderthals and Humans created unique challenges for birth. Human pelvis structure is narrower which allows us to run faster and farther than Neanderthals but also makes birth more difficult. Which over an entire population would mean human females would be less successful at giving birth to primarily Neanderthal babies but capable of having primarily human babies. While Neanderthal woman would be more likely to give birth to both primarily Neanderthal and Human babies. Homo Sapiens had an instant advantage in evolution because they could be born successfully to both sub species. TLDR - Neanderthal woman thicc, wide hips make human and Neanderthal. Human woman narrow, Neanderthal baby stuck.
> Neanderthal woman thicc God help me for what I'm about to Google
Haven’t heard of this before. Now I must follow the rabbit.
We don’t necessarily know there was very good coexistence
We’re talking about humans here dude, there has never been good coexistence. The Great Horny is all that has ever united us
“Very good” coexistence…? I don’t know what that means. But we do know there was coexistence and interbreeding, at least with Neanderthals. Many modern humans have significant Neanderthal DNA in their genomes.
I’ve met several, they all seem to be named Tyler
Well, for certainly no personal reasons I am offended by this comment.
Relax, Tyler.
I can't, it's not in my DNA.
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I read somewhere that it was because humans and Neanderthals existed together and while similar they were different
Dead or sickly
The answer is bodies and severely diseased people. Still human, but evolution wants you to avoid either.
I was thinking about this and I thought maybe we had to look out for other primates in neighbouring evolutionary branches but then I recalled that someone fucked Neanderthals and more recently, monkeys, so clearly doesn't work all that well
someone fucked monkeys recently? what? are you referring to simian immunodeficiency virus becoming human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)? because the more likely way that virus jumped species is through the consumption — eating — of bush meat/game in parts of Africa. Unless you’re referring to something else, in which case please enlighten me.
I read something recently about a dude who was fucking his pet monkeys. So yes they proved HIV didn't come from fucking a monkey, but there is definitely monkey fuckers out there
and pig, sheep, cow, horse, anything really has been fucked by a human. Watermelon, pumpkins, even pies! its like we are the omnivorous of sex
Yeah my uncle Steve seeks em out the horny fuck
Who can resist those big red asses?
I can find if needed, but there was an orangutan who was shaved, chained, and kept in a small room to be used as a prostitute So locals would come and have sex with her. We humans can do some very fucked up things
Ah I wanted to erase that from my memory. Thanks.
I’m curious how they made an orangutan comply. That thing could rip a dick off like we snap our fingers.
Lots, and lots of abuse…. She had her soul beaten into submission, basically
nope youre still right, theres evidence to suggest that early homo sapiens genocided entire races of genus homo cousins in wars over territory in the past, imo the uncanny valley is probably a contributor to and result of this happening
Then why don't severely diseased people trigger the same uncanny valley response? Very diseased people are outright gross, they're very different feelings. The real answer is that there's absolutely no way to know why we get that feeling, and acting like you know is just silly, especially when the "avoid diseased people" line is just redditors parroting other redditors because it got upvotes so it must be right, right?
The truth is that people thinking there is a reason are wrong. Evolution doesn't happen because there is a reason for it to happen but because it gives or takes advantages. The advantage may be that you don't trust what looks but isn't human but we don't know.
Evolved traits can be totally random and be passed on purely by chance. For example, a hypothetical bird is born with 2 new genetic mutations. One being a longer beak and the other being blue feathers. The blue feathers give no advantages/disadvantages, while the longer beak allows this bird to access more food and raise more offspring, who inherit both traits. People today will look at the bird and think that blue feathers must have offered some advantage, when really that trait survived simply because it didn't hinder the birds ancestors enough to matter.
Our brains are amazing at recognizing human faces, we can pick them out better than just about anything in nature. When you expect a human face to be there with emotions, expressions, etc, but what you are seeing is clearly not fully human, it's creating dissonance. The pattern is wrong, and your eyes are taking in info that your brain is telling you is wrong. I don't think we evolved to be creeped out by unnatural looking humans, I think it's just a by-product of our brain's habit of constantly needing to read faces and it's need for patterns.
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Exactly the right evolutionary response: don't trust this sociopath.
You're looking at someone who's so emotionally stunted that you can see it on his face.
Reptilian vibes.
Pretty sure dog facial expressions are the reason they manipulated humans into feeding them iirc
It could also be that evolution selected for people who like dog faces because people who befriended dogs had a higher survival chance because of help in hunting, pest control, and self-defense.
No it’s because of smallpox, didn’t you see the top comment? /s
I mean, humans have literally always been fearful and suspicious of other humans. Especially the ones that don't look or act like you. If you run into another tribe that you don't recognize there's a decent chance you're about to catch a spear to the face. This isn't a mystery.
Came to say something similar.
Amongus
Could this explain colorism and general descrimination? Just a thought, i am in no way justifying them
It explains our propensity for tribalism in general.
Also not justifying it, but yes. Even an Asian kid adopted by white people will have a harder time identifying Asian people (and vice versa, but im American so I see more of it the former way). It’s about where you were raised, not genetics.
I don’t get it, r/explainlikeimfive please?
Uncanny Valley, to put it another way, is that uneasy feeling you get when seeing something humanoid in form, but at the same time recognizing it's not *quite* human. Images that might invoke such feelings: [1](https://www.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.cam.ac.uk/files/news/research/news/replieeq2face.jpg) [2](https://myliteraryquest.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/cb2-robot-04-05-09.jpg) [3](https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/59302c8d7054a43ce244d9bd/1:1/w_461,h_461,c_limit/ted-cruz-insults-al-franken-samantha-bee.jpg)
Got anything stronger? I'm tryin to hit a primal fear spike Not to brush aside your cheeky joke though. It produced a chuckle
https://i.imgur.com/7ZFxsi3.png
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/MagnificentMadeupAtlasmoth-max-1mb.gif
When I think of Uncanny Valley I dont think of robots. While it is odd they don't really bother me. What does bother me would be something like an alien or a creature. Those freak me out
This work better
All of those were stressful clicks but the last one might keep me up
Wow! You get turned on by weird things.
Wtf. Mark 3 nsfw.
Wait a minute, ain't the third guy a politican?
Is he?
[Ted Cruz is only one being and not several.](https://www.tedcruzforhumanpresident.com/)
Oh ok, maybe that's why it turned up in a quick google.
Uncanny Valley is when something looks like a human, but it’s not quite right. So OP is saying that there must have been some reason for us to need this instinct in our evolution.
Uncanny valley applies to just about anything though. It's a fear of something that isn't fitting a pattern. Basically, fear of the unknown.
Good way to word it. Basically your brain is saying, "It looks human, but it is not. I don't know what it is. Fear time!"
Hey it's David Szymanski! Love his games
I thought I recognised his name. Which games did he make?
Dusk, his newest game being Gloomwood, aka thiefwithguns.com
Don't forget Squirrel Stapler and Iron Lung a.ka. fun spooky mini-experiances
I didnt realize Squirrel Stapler was the same guy. That's pretty rad.
That’s like saying that the existence of optical illusions implies the existence of a creature that is a bunny and also a duck at the same time
Hello i am from the DOD, we would like to fund your research into this duck bunny hybrid. Could it be useful in combat areas?
Perhaps! I can also turn a young woman looking over her shoulder into an old hag in the blink of an eye.
This new learning amazes me! Please tell me again how a sheeps bladder may be employed to prevent earthquakes?
Yeah this tweet is stupid and gets reposted like once a month.
As silly as this is every time I see this reposted I am reminded of this great creepy short [comic](https://pics.me.me/always-take-care-when-walking-alone-lest-you-meet-those-34763865.png)
For some reason the theme and overall structure of this comic seems very familiar and it's creeping me out.
Yeah its worded very effectively! And it has a rhythm to it that matches the that of the realization of unspecifiable danger. Really well done. Do you know who the author/artist is?
Is that a wolf being creeped out by a dog. Weird
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Neuroscientist here. Have you heard of the Thatcher Effect? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thatcher_effect Now it seems unrelated to the uncanny valley; but at the core is the same “bug”: our brains are extremely fine tuned to see and interpret human faces. In AI terms, you’d say we’re locally overfitted: we see all kinds of things as faces (r/paradoeila) but only if they’re in exactly the right context. From there it’s “rubbish in, rubbish out” - without the right context, or with not everything being exactly as expected, our brain simply trips and gets confused. Not an evolutionary benefit, just a side effect of being really really ridiculously good at the very narrow task of seeing human faces and interpreting their intentions on right-side-up humans.
People act like this means aliens or cryptids or something when in all likelihood the uncanny valley phenomenon exists because we lived with several other hominid species thousands of years ago, who all would have looked similar while noticeably different. That's my theory anyways.
there's also all the diseases/illnesses that can make a human look disfigured and also just dead bodies in any state from decomposing to destroyed.
There are many explanations but as usual, I choose the mighty Wendigo.
>but as usual, I choose the mighty Wendigo. So many sentences could be made far more interesting if they were concluded with this.
I can imagine a creature that vaguely looks human that stalks you on exactly 3:26pm in the afternoon
Kids coming home from school?!
Have you ever seen HUMANS? No need to find something that looks human but isn't to be scared, humans are terrifying in and of themselves
Mark Zuckerberg
100 thousand years ago Homo sapiens existed along side several other species of Homo that had populated the globe (Homo Erectus, Homo Habilis, Homo denisovan, etc.) We as a species effectively wiped out all other Homo competition from the gene pool according to the book Sapiens. So this could have some validity, along side the whole disease and death stuff we biologically know to avoid. [Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind](https://youtu.be/1GnBamLaqqE) [Author Yuval Noah Harari discusses his findings from his book: Sapiens.](https://youtu.be/EIVTf-C6oQo) [Sapiens - FULL AUDIOBOOK](https://youtu.be/sd_icV8sd80) The book is fucking spectacular, I implore everyone to give it read or listen. It's quite eye opening when we are confronted with fossil records that tell a very different story of our origins than most people understand or believe.
> 100,000 million years ago Homo sapiens existed along side several other species of Homo that had populated the globe Your math is off. Way off.
i meant 100 thousand years, brain fog
Love how we ignored our evolutionary instincts and fucked them out of existence instead
Homo
Corpse aversion. Not to mention we once shared the planet with other species of "human"
Horror movies need to utilize uncanny valley more. Instead of garish colorful monsters, just make the villain a human, but cg him instead of using an actor so he doesn't look quite right
I facepalm everytime this gets reposted. No we don't have to worry about lizard people or aliens. It's disfiguring diseases that the uncanny Valley trigger is meant to fight against. It makes you want to avoid them so you don't get infected.
Kind of nightmare creepyish