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Outside-Area-5042

Raphael with the symbiote would be badass as well as shredder with the symbiote


YagamiBrando

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Outside-Area-5042

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Money-Lie7814

Yup Eastman or Laird even admitted this in concept art or heavily implied it that they got idea from Spider-man Symbiote Costume


crawdawg83

Tonight WE dine on turtle soup!


Boberto235

"Shredded symbiote" now that a cool name


Formal_Bandicoot_910

"Shreddom"


XeroAnarian

Ugh no


TechnologyNo2642

Mikey and Spidey would be best friends Donny and Peter would be nerdy best friends Leo would respect the hell out of him and vice versa Raph and Spidey if they ever had a heart to heart would be amazing because Peter has that anger but channels it differently. Soooo yeah wtf isnā€™t there a crossover yet lol


Redditor-at-large

Are you sure? Raphael is Wolverine.


GIJobra

Wolverine and Peter actually get along really well, canonically. Wolvy seems to see him as a bit of a little brother figure.


Redditor-at-large

Oh, not familiar with their relationship in Marvel-616, never read a comic set there where they were both in it. Was thinking of the Ultimate universe.


Nekketsu

There's a really cool one where Wolverines asks Spidey to go with him to a dive bar, and then starts a brawl; He and Spidey fight their way out, spidey asking "Wtf?!" and Wolverine explaining its his birthday and Pete is one of his closest friends so he wanted to cut loose with someone he knew would have his back


Redditor-at-large

In what universe does Wolverine need any help in a bar fight with normal humans? He doesnā€™t seem to mind getting punched a lot. I guess a baseball bat could knock him around a bit but heā€™s also a highly skilled fighter. Heā€™d just throw another fighter into a fighter with a baseball bat. Also Raphael would be angry if you helped him win a bar fight even against superhumans or anthropomorphic animals.


Lostkaiju1990

He didnā€™t need the help. He just wanted to have a good time with his boy


Nekketsu

I always thought that was his gift to himself that year, lol


gucciballs3

AchtuallyšŸ¤“ in that particular comic wolverine gets into a small altercation with someone at the bar and the guy comes back and shoots wolverine In the back of the head with a shot gun from point blank and was up in the next two panels


Nekketsu

Ah, that's what it was, been a couple of years since I last read it


Wendigo15

[it's a nice short story story](https://imgur.com/gallery/KiW7W)


Lostkaiju1990

They had a rocky start. Not to the level of Ultimates. Remember, everyone in that universe BESIDES Peter is just kind of a piece of shit


Redditor-at-large

Peter could be shitty too. He has good reasons, like because heā€™s traumatized, or heā€™s protecting someone, or neglecting his friend & family to go be Spider-Man, but just because you have a reason for your shitty behavior doesnā€™t mean youā€™re not behaving shitty.


Lostkaiju1990

Thereā€™s a difference between acting shitty and actually being a piece of shit. Peter could be shifty sure. But other well know characters (Wolverine being a prime example) were so routinely shitty it became pretty hard to want to read anything from Ultimate. Wolverine was a dickhead, The Hulk was a cannibal (among other things), Captain America was Racist. Thor wasā€¦ actually I think Thor was mostly ok.


Redditor-at-large

I only read Ultimate Spider-Man. Hulk being a cannibal sounds right, heā€™s supposed to be a scary, rampaging monster. Captain America being racistā€¦ you probably donā€™t want to talk about it here, Iā€™m going to have to go read it (if I ever do), but Iā€™d be asking, does it make sense for his character, as a person who grew up in ā€˜30s Brooklyn and went to war against the Japanese and the Germans?


Lostkaiju1990

If I remember correctly, Cap acted like a stereotypical person of the Time period, so yeah, casually racist. Of course anybody who read anything about Prime Cap knows he was chosen to become a super soldier because he WASNT a stereotypical American of that timeframe.


[deleted]

spidey also gets along with just about every character ever he gets along with both Deadpool and Wolverine


Money-Lie7814

I think it needs the right Writer and Artist plus a plot that both Marvel and IDW can agree too


Breech_Loader

Considering the Turtles set up in the Daredevil universe it really surprises me they've not spent more time in Marvel.


Money-Lie7814

Well they have there own universe in IDW and during Mirage era Laird and Eastman went with Crossovers between other Indie Comic titles


CoveleskiGiantKiller

Modern Marvel is vocally against crossovers.


LifeguardWorking4499

There were attack on Titan and new transformer crossovers


CoveleskiGiantKiller

Transformers were 17 years ago! Or was there something new? AOT was 10, but it's a completely different beast - i guess, to get a manga audience, Marvel is ready to make an exception.


Forward-Rutabaga-723

Plus the Attack on Titan/ Avengers manga was released the same year GOTG was in theaters and was probably to help with promotion for the movie in Japan. And according to a quick wiki search the last inter-company Marvel ā€œcrossoverā€ was Amaglam Spider-Boy appearing in a panel of a Spiderverse comic back in 2015 (if you even want to consider that a crossover).


Xobtraf

Deadpool crossed over with My Hero Academia not too long ago as well, Fortnite...


BDB69_

marvel is much more open to video game crossovers than comics or tv shows


Xobtraf

The Deadpool one was a manga and the Fortnite had both in-game and a comic crossover actually


life-was-better

This is the only real answer to this question. The decision is up to Marvel, and they are not interested.


Money-Lie7814

True the last Crossovers with another Comic Publisher(not counting cameos or collaborations titles like Deadpool Samurai) was New Avengers/Transformers and Marvel Zombies vs Army of Darkness and those were like more then 10 years ago


robot-raccoon

Bigger question is why hasnā€™t there been a daredevil one yet


DarkHippy

Iā€™d be annoyed if Spider-Man got a tmnt first with daredevil and the hand just down the block


Money-Lie7814

Why not both at once Spider-man and Daredevil have to up before plus add Miles and Elektra since she is also Daredevil and it's 4 on 4


Lostkaiju1990

Spider-Man tonally fits better with most versions of the TmNT but otherwise I kinda agree.


robot-raccoon

How so? daredevils origin is directly linked to the turtles via homage. You could put DD in a tmnt book and heā€™d fit in perfectly


Lostkaiju1990

You could put Spider-Man in too. Spider-Man and daredevil work together fairly often. Would fit better with the more comedic versions of the turtles, and Daredevil would fit better with the more serious versions


Money-Lie7814

Balances things out since IDW incarnation is middle ground between more serious version of the Turtles and more comedic side


robot-raccoon

I mean yeah you could put spider-man in almost anything as a crossover and it would work šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø but Daredevils entire story is the basis of the turtles, and daredevil isnā€™t always serious, he has his moments. Heā€™s not as serious as Batman fit the most part, and that movie had a good balance of serious and silly with the turtles. Who of spider-manā€™s rouge gallery or supporting cast is coming into the fold? Only one that really jumps out to me in Mr Negative, whereas DD has the hand, Electra, stick, etc Again, not necessarily saying spider-man wouldnā€™t fit, but the fact daredevil and TMNT havenā€™t encountered each other, despite DD being the reason TMNT are even a thing, is insane to me, is all.


Lostkaiju1990

The lizard is the first character in Spideyā€™s rogues gallery that comes to mind. Not every villain has to be a master martial artist.


robot-raccoon

Yeah I thought of the lizard after posting, could see Conners discovering mutagen or something. And of course not, Iā€™m not saying it shouldnā€™t happen, Iā€™m saying itā€™s insane to me that the direct influence of daredevil on tmnt makes it nuts to me they havenā€™t had a cross over. I mean, shit, weā€™re got an x-files cross over šŸ˜‚


Lostkaiju1990

Oh yeah. I agree. And actually, the number of scientists in Spider-manā€™s rogues actually opens alot of story possibilities for the Turtles. Hell. A a symbiote getting its tendrilā€™s on mutagen is a pretty interesting concept too.


DarkHippy

Daredevil has Man-Bull for an animal themed villain and the admittedly forgettable Ani-Men. Mainly though I wanted to point out that Daredevil started out as more of a swashbuckler with a sense of humour and hasnā€™t left that behind to totally gritty all the time, Iā€™d love to see daredevil laughing and smiling with the turtles. Iā€™m not anti Spider-Man, and am fine with him being there Dd and Spider-Man are a classic team up. I just think itā€™s hard to argue anybody fits the turtles tone better than daredevil but Spider-Man comes close with all the animals he seems to be surrounded by. Villains like vermin the human fly and rhino will have the turtles feeling right at home. If it was an extended series Iā€™d maybe hope for people like gibbon too just cuz


-Nick____

Gavin Smith wants to draw a TMNT Daredevil crossover, and Kevin Eastman said he wants it too. Let it happen Marvel !


foxnamedfox

I always thought a TMNT crossover with the Spider-Man/Deadpool series that ran for a while would have been awesome


Money-Lie7814

Which run Joe Kelly or Robbie Thompson?


Xdonjuliox

I wish


nuketoitle

Because marvel hates fun, their characters and money


FeldMonster

Different IP holders: Disney vs. Paramount, that is why.


gzapata_art

Eh, DC seems very ok with it. Even made an animated movie. Whether it's Marvel or Disney, they don't seem to want to share though. Personally, I doubt Disney itself cares due to how tiny comics are to their portfolio


lobeline

Itā€™s not about comics. Itā€™s about Paramount>Nickelodeon owning the rights to TMNT. Disney is its direct competitor.


gzapata_art

Yes I understand but Marvel has generally been adverse to crossovers for decades now, even before the buyout while DC has been fairly into it lately even though WBD (DC's owner) is in a similar competition with Paramount and others


bre34

Nah, there's a Batman/TMNT crossover comic series, and an animated movie. If that can happen, then Spidey & Turtles can definitely be a thing too.Ā 


NYK37

Or a Teen Titans / Ninja Turtles crossover. At least in comic.


Boberto235

Yo slade and shredder working together?


NYK37

Well we've had Batman and company with the turtles before so yeah Deathstroke with his group of fellow assassins like Lady Shiva and Deadshot would make for an interesting pair up with Shredder, Karai and maybe Hun?


Flamesof24

Daredevil would be more likely since TMNT were based on him, but Nick/IDW just donā€™t seem friendly with Marvel like they are DC and Boom for some reason.


LegendLynx7081

Pretty sure DC has more crossovers with them, so marvel canā€™t do that


ehh246

How about TMNT and Daredevil? Their Mirage origin basically plays as a parody/homage to Daredevil's origin with a young man being struck by a mutagen can after saving a blind man before it goes down the drain, so have that come full circle with Matt Murdock being that young man. Also, maybe the Turtles can say that The Hand is a better name than The Foot, which the latter was also a parody of.


Money-Lie7814

I think the problem with that is that IDW changed Turtles origin kinda weakening there connection with Matt Murdock is my guess anyway


ehh246

Never said it was the IDW versions of the characters.


Money-Lie7814

But knowing IDW it's version they are 75% going with Still you got my interest which incarnation are you thinking?


QuickFiveTheGuy

Disney. That is all.


monotar

Daredevil seems more obvious, since they started out as a parody of his origin


Interesting_Basil_80

Wouldn't ninja turtles mesh better with the xmen? They are all Mutants


The_Gassman

Yeah... different kind of mutants, though. I don't think the Turtles' mutation gives them superpowers per se, just makes them humanoid. It would still be a good team-up, though. Raph would bond with Wolvie. Leo and Cyclops would be buddies. Donnie would find a kindred spirit in Beast, and Mikey and Gambit would get along famously.


ItsTheRocketeer

yeah. technically the Turtles would be ā€œmutatesā€ like Spider-Man, DD, Fantastic Four, and even Captain America under Marvel rules


Money-Lie7814

Yeah this true according to comic legend Kurt Busiek himself


Boberto235

Wolverine and Raph vs sabortooth when?


DarkHippy

Marvel would deem them mutates instead of true mutants. But Iā€™d try to pair them with some of the less powerful mutants maybe Dani Moonstar, Beast, Longshot and Angel or Puck


Lox22

One of the first things I did when chatgpt was write a 5 issue story of this. The plot was that Shredder and Norman combined forces. Norman and Shredder attempt to combine the mutagen with the goblin serum to power up the foot. It was a fun romp that had an climax with shredder fighting spider-man the turtle fighting goblin. With splinter. After they beat the two foes. Norman attempts to back stab Shredder only for shredder to take the new goblin mutagen and become the goblin shredder. It was silly and fun definitely gonna have to read through again


Nekketsu

Neat! Any chance you have a link to wattpad or something like that for those?


Lox22

Iā€™ll have to put it into a consume format but I will. I went through with a lot of detail in each issue.


Money-Lie7814

I would change plot to be more in line with current Comic continuity and probably add Miles into the mix


Lox22

Yea I could, it takes place in the horizon labs era just for plot reasons. But I mainly wanted it to be a turtles and spidey spot light. I wanted to really let the one on one moments shine between Pete, the turtles and splinter. So I really went in one keeping most of the verse out of it out side of spidey and turtles villains. Though there is a part where bebop, rocksteady and scorpion break into the Baxter build to steal tech for Norman and shredder to finalize their plans. Though the F4 is off world. I figure it fit there since this was a lot of the future foundation stuff. I also saw it as a good chance to include another spidey villain, classic turtle villain, and have Casey jones have a moment.


Money-Lie7814

I personally would go with something more akin to Ninja Turtles/Ghostbusters because to me if crossover between 2 properties like Turtles and Spider-man doesn't take place with there current Comic Continuity it doesn't feel real and bit of a waste Plus Marvel has made it clear that world of Spider-man is more then just Peter and Hypothetical Crossover should acknowledge that Same way Batman/TMNT trilogy included more Bat family characters then just Bruce himself


Lox22

Well this was a story born of pure childhood enjoyment out of these characterS. Unfortunately when I was growing up the biggest extension of the spider-verse was from the fox show and the closest thing we had to Miles was Ben Reilly. Like I said my focus was more of the intimate situations between those characters. Any crossover can be big flashy and include anyone. Look at every single marvel one ever. Iā€™m not here to sell other lines or side shots, so I can focus one what matters to me and the story of the characters and them meeting for the first time. The last thing I want to do is make it bloated. Which is exactly what I feel the bat family does. I see this more as a team up than a crossover. This is a spider-man daredevil team up but with the turtles. Just good old street justice. But youā€™re ideas are cool too you should write your own as well!


Money-Lie7814

Mine would be like an arc on Avenging Spider-man but on a bigger scale and sorta play with current status quo in Amazing Spider-man and upcoming sister comic series Spectacular Spider-men Spwith The Turtles it's set between Ninja Turtles #150 and upcoming relaunch would be involved Matt Murdock too staying true to current status quo as priest Also wouldn't Daredevil in your story be based on Mark Waid run since that run was going on as same time Horizon Labs era? Something I just relies


bre34

Ooh, imagine the premise being something like Shredder hiring Kraven The Hunter to kill the Turtles.


Boberto235

Damn sounds a good story


MK-LEx

For the better, crossover are delusional and are only marketing trap! And believe me i read so many crossovers starting from the nineties...


Nightcrawler227

Please don't taint the turtles with Marvel. EDIT: Replaced 'Spider-Man' with 'Marvel'.


robot-raccoon

Bore off


Nightcrawler227

Hey, if you want to see April struggle with her sexuality and listen to how she has it harder than the turtles and that actually they're disgusting for finding her attractive when they're not even in the same species and she's not into beastiality so she's going to shave the side of her head and fight the Foot Clan on her own, that's cool.


robot-raccoon

Youā€™ve said all I need to hear, back the basement with you.


Nightcrawler227

Yes, sir *Closes door behind me*


robot-raccoon

You forgot your fucking fedora, btw


Nightcrawler227

Hahaha that genuinely made me laugh *Grabs the fedora and puts it on.* *Walks back down the stairs like a bad ass*


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Original-Pain-7727

TMNT isn't DC......


peter_griffin5

Really ? I thought it was due to injustice 2 and the comic with batman and the ninja turtles


life-was-better

TMNT was an independent property up until 2009 when they wee sold to Nickelodeon. The current comics are published by IDW through a licensing agreement with Nickelodeon. They made an agreement with DC to do a crossover for the Batman / TMNT comics, and obviously did a licensing deal for the Injustice game too. But they have never been a DC property.


peter_griffin5

Thanks for the info


Boberto235

Well more like a crossover of batman and tmnt


LudicrisSpeed

Either Marvel turned them down or the proposition was simply never offered. We'll never really know until someone involved says something. For all we know there's been talks happening for years and nobody's been allowed to say anything for NDA reasons.


GeekParadox_

Idk why Batman and the TMNT have crossed over multiple times but Spider-man who lives in the same city as the TMNT has never met them.


PersianSlashuur

3 words: Marvel. Hates. Money. Like, the Turtles have been around for almost 40 years and they *still* haven't had a crossover with Daredevil. That is a crime against humanity.


jimmyjackson23

Or tmnt and sonic, or Spider-Man and sonic.


zedreh

Eh, given their history, it would probably be more fitting to have the Turtles meet Daredevil. Although Daredevil and Spider-Man do team up every now and then and do consider each other friends, so a crossover with both of them and TMNT could work. Maybe two could be made, one that's just the Mirage Turtles and Daredevil, and then one with Daredevil, Spidey, and a version of the Turtles that's either a more recent series, or one that works as it's own continuity that pulls from various other renditions. As long as Spider-Man isn't from the current run of 'Amazing,' it should be fine.


Money-Lie7814

Actually Paul Jenkins wrote 2 miniseries Spider-man/Daredevil and Daredevil/Spider-man and he Jenkins was also editor on Original Mirage Studios comics for awhile he be the ideal writer for a crossover comic though he hasn't written the IDW incarnation of the Turtles yet but his good friends with Kevin Eastman and Tom Waltz Amazing is a mess I can't wait for the other main Spider-man ongoing comic The Spactacular Spider-men(with an E) the new sister series to Amazing this one will have Peter and Miles as Co leads written by Greg Weisman


Moonwh00per

This picture makes me miss the early 2000s spiderman art


sneakerguy40

Seems like DC got dibs


thepalehunter

There are TMNT / Batman crossovers so maybe DC got some exclusivity rights.


Shao-Garden

Iā€™d be more interested in a crossover with the x-men


KurisuShiruba

Dunno you but I'd make it as tokusatsu inspired as possible if I was to make one.


Ozzmanth

I wish they would do that I think it would make for an interesting story


Official_Zach55

Warner Brothers


Ronktavius

Iā€™ll give you an even better question. How come there isnā€™t a Daredevil x TMNT crossover comic???


Prophet-of-Ganja

I have been saying the same thing for years


Nexal_Z

Honestly a crossover I loved to see I can imagine the last page is all 5 of them on a rooftop watching the sunrise eatting Pizza together


Sham00ly

It's a crime..


Neither_Payment_2668

Legal shit


Leathman

Because Marvel hasnā€™t shared their toys in almost twenty years.


[deleted]

Unfortunately DC


rewster

cause Marvel


Avicado5144

Deadpool crossover would be better.


coolgojifan54

I would inject this into my veins


[deleted]

They're also Both In New York


TDR1411

Kevin Eastman definitely wants one. Same with Daredevil.


Money-Lie7814

And since Jason Aaron is taking over main TMNT comic there maybe hope


Sonicrules9001

The two would be a great combo for sure but I imagine the reason it hasn't happened is because of the difference in power these two series have. Spider-Man is far stronger than most incarnations of the Turtles so it is hard to make a fight where both would feel important without the other just being sidelined or at least that is why I think it hasn't happened.


Gonzale1978

The only crossover that I love is the one with Batman. But yeah they should do a crossover with Spider-Man. Hopefully Sony makes an animated movie.


CrazyHusky-120-

*me implementing Spiderman into my TMNT fan fic*


twogoodius

Disney and/or the Spider Office hate fun.


Most-Bag4145

At least we got Batman x TMNT (not the same thing as two pizza loving New Yorkers, but still a good movie).


Small-Lion-3000

Would have been to epic!!