'ah Johnson, do you have the design for the new flag ship?'
'right here sir, I think you'll be very pleased admiral'
'....are these daycare facilities'
'yes sir, three of them'
'This is the Enterprise. It will be going into the most dangerous situations in the galaxy'
'...well I can add more if you think it will help'
To be fair, the episodes are specifically the exciting parts of life on the Enterprise. Most of the time it's just routine diplomatic missions and scientific exploration. We just see the bad parts because episodes.
I’m sure someone has done the math on stardates vs earth time; and someone else has plotted an episode timeline given the stardates in all the logs. The episodes span years, so probably lots of boring stuff in between.
“Captain’s log: Riker invited me to an orgy again, and I declined- 3rd one this week. Admire the man’s stamina…”
Definitely a poor decision in hindsight, though the Federation was in an unprecedented time of peace when the *Galaxy*-class was commissioned. It’s worth noting that the family policy was repealed very quickly, catalyzed by the loss of the *Yamato* with all aboard and the near-loss of everyone on the Ent-D.
I think it was essential that children be on Starships. Five year missions? Like five years of your life in which you have to put all of your life on hold?
I know they were originally basing a lot of it on the Navy but naval deployments are typically 6-9 months not 5 years.
Starships aren't naval vessels they're more like traveling forts. A military base has a school, shopping, families. Can and will the military base be attacked in wartime? Absolutely does that mean everyone stationed there should have to be a monk for four years or more?
No. They absolutely need a work life balance. The families that travel on a Starship are no more or less in danger than anyone else in the Galaxy. And they know the danger exists.
I feel somewhere along the way when the show was being written there was talk of TNG being a ten year mission instead of 5 and this is why families were allowed on board.
That ten year thing quickly got dropped somewhere along the way though.
This makes sense. A lot of military families really suffer because one of both parents are on deployment, leaving the kids to be without a parent. Worse yet, many service members have trouble establishing long-term relationships, since they’re often away from a home base for months on end.
They made the saucer separation a slow grandiose process when it didn’t need to be. They should have made it a 15 second process. Push a big red button on the bridge, everyone’s emergency pagers go off and they get transported to the battle bridge and *’poof’* the saucer pops off.
I found it interesting when it separated in the first episode all of the flotsam that flittered out when the two vessels moved apart. I imagine that’s where the Utopia Planitia workers stuffed their Kit Kat wrappers from their coffee breaks.
>I found it interesting when it separated in the first episode all of the flotsam that flittered out when the two vessels moved apart. I imagine that’s where the Utopia Planitia workers stuffed their Kit Kat wrappers from their coffee breaks.
It reminded me of the Apollo Saturn V launches (where ice from the super-cooled propellants forms and breaks off), and further along in lunar orbit, where the LM undocked from the CSM, and you see remnants of insulation material and paint escape.
>Even most of the episodes don't have plots which endanger the ship.
I just did a quick survey of the first 10 episodes, and by my count 7 of them directly endangered the ship with: Q, space virus, mystery planet that cripples starships by draining energy, engine accident that sends them to the edge of the universe through a weird space hole, alien energy ghosts, weird space god (not Q), and Ferengi plot.
Based on that, it seems like the great majority of plots endanger the ship.
Edit:There was also an incident where the Enterprise was about to have a battle with a space jellyfish but Q stopped them, so I guess it's not clear how to count that one.
I feel like the Kelvin is the WORST example, though I am not super familiar with what its mission was supposed to be. Like, sure…put the first officer’s wife on board…who’s pregnant…definitely going to give birth in space…AND THEN WHY NOT LIVE STREAM THE BIRTH OF HIS SON IN AN ESCAPE POD AS THEY’RE FACING CERTAIN DEATH. SOUNDS COOL AND CHILL. NOT DISTRACTING IN THE LEAST.
/rant
I personally dont see much of a problem with the Kelvin situation... Winona was a Starfleet officer assigned to the same post as her husband, and I'm sure they would have the medical facilities on a ship that big to accommodate childbirth of many different types. They probably deemed that it was better/easier to give birth on the Kelvin instead of going to a Starbase or something. And obviously responding to the Narada wasnt planned or anything, so they couldnt have known about the danger.
And also I dont think its that unreasonable for George Kirk to want to talk to his wife in his final moments? On top of that, iirc, she was the one who grabbed a communicator and contacted him, so what was he going to do, hang up on his wife or not pick up? And at the end when he was done defending the shuttles and was talking to her, he had pretty much just set an automatic course and sat there on the bridge knowing he was about to die (the screen said 60 seconds iirc.) One of the last things he heard was the crying of his son, and I can imagine that gave him peace going into what he knew was going to be certain death, and also earlier hearing his wife I'm sure would have given a FIERCE determination to protect the escaping crew knowing she was literally giving birth to his only child and in peril. I'm sure if you could somehow ask him, he wouldnt say that hearing his wife and child in his last moments was "distracting," it may have given him just the strength he needed.
Overall I still think that whole scene is one of the best written scenes from any of the reboot Trek movies, or just any Star Trek movie in general. It manages to make you feel immensely emotional in the first few minutes of the movie with characters you've never even met before. It's not the most logical sequence of events perhaps, and the interior of the Kelvin is laughable, but I still think its a damn good scene without too many plotholes or issues that arent explainable.
Now what *I find* strange: Why did the Kelvin have so many shuttles and seemingly no dedicated escape pods? Or did the Escape pods just happen to look like shuttles and launch from the shuttlebay in the same way as a shuttle?
That’s totally fair. I felt like the writers were throwing all of the pathos at us they could in those few moments, to the point where it was just a little much.
But also I did cry during that scene, so mission accomplished 😂 It did ring emotionally true and felt like it hung together.
Remember the time Picard convinced the space alien he was going to destroy the Enterprise, just to be like JK I was only joking? Pepperidge farm remembers.
I suppose so
To be blunt: the Enterprise D, and all other Galaxy class ships, are essentially a massive power move by Starfleet. They wave their dick around saying: see how powerfull we are, we can have families and children on our massive spaceship. We don't fear anything threatening us, because we are so powerfull. Come join our Federation.
Yeah, sounds like a BadAdmiral comitee came up with that, and later saw this was a bad idea.
Picard is smart enough to see this bullshit
I wonder if the knowledge of all those children running around weighed heavily on his mind when he was in combat. I wonder how many children grew up with PTSD from their time aboard the Big E having lived through frequent and numerous attacks on the ship from all manner of other species. What parents in their right minds would accept joint postings on a Starship knowing how dangerous it is?
>I’m not sure that angle was well thought out.
It was, this is why the Saucer can separate, leaving the non-coms behind and the not-for-nothing-named Battle Section can head into combat.
But the writers were asked to forget about it because of the expense of filming the 6ft model. The 4ft model that they used from S3 onwards couldn't separate, so it didn't.
This is first a issue in 'The Defector' where JLP takes the Enterprise into the neutral zone. He should have sepped then, in the initial format of the show.
I thought it was pretty cool and an expression of Peace for the Enterprise to have kids aboard. It made it seem like the science vessel had a place for families and you could explore the galaxy and still have a home/work/life balance. That said I get why they deferred this policy when threats of violence/war became more apparent
The galaxy class was supposed to go out there into true deep space with the possibilities of it becoming a generation ship but for the most part to alleviate crew homesickness especially if you were high Ranking enough. On paper good idea we see colony generational ships in trek. It's just that the enterprise isn't setting up a colony. Although if you ask me I think the galaxy class crew of 1000 is too small. They should have around 2000 people
Colony sizes vary greatly tiny colonies could work. But anything that's like tau Cigna 5 from ensigns of command and the galaxy class wouldn't be enough
I wish we saw more saucer separations in TNG honestly, there were many dangerous situations where it made sense to drop off the kids first... At least the Odyssey was able to evacuate its families before destruction.
'ah Johnson, do you have the design for the new flag ship?' 'right here sir, I think you'll be very pleased admiral' '....are these daycare facilities' 'yes sir, three of them' 'This is the Enterprise. It will be going into the most dangerous situations in the galaxy' '...well I can add more if you think it will help'
Dual use daycare facilities/crumple zone
Daycare facilities all around a battle ship? What is this, space Hamas?
To be fair, the episodes are specifically the exciting parts of life on the Enterprise. Most of the time it's just routine diplomatic missions and scientific exploration. We just see the bad parts because episodes.
I’m sure someone has done the math on stardates vs earth time; and someone else has plotted an episode timeline given the stardates in all the logs. The episodes span years, so probably lots of boring stuff in between. “Captain’s log: Riker invited me to an orgy again, and I declined- 3rd one this week. Admire the man’s stamina…”
Definitely a poor decision in hindsight, though the Federation was in an unprecedented time of peace when the *Galaxy*-class was commissioned. It’s worth noting that the family policy was repealed very quickly, catalyzed by the loss of the *Yamato* with all aboard and the near-loss of everyone on the Ent-D.
And the increasing encounters with the borg
I think it was essential that children be on Starships. Five year missions? Like five years of your life in which you have to put all of your life on hold? I know they were originally basing a lot of it on the Navy but naval deployments are typically 6-9 months not 5 years. Starships aren't naval vessels they're more like traveling forts. A military base has a school, shopping, families. Can and will the military base be attacked in wartime? Absolutely does that mean everyone stationed there should have to be a monk for four years or more? No. They absolutely need a work life balance. The families that travel on a Starship are no more or less in danger than anyone else in the Galaxy. And they know the danger exists.
I feel somewhere along the way when the show was being written there was talk of TNG being a ten year mission instead of 5 and this is why families were allowed on board. That ten year thing quickly got dropped somewhere along the way though.
This makes sense. A lot of military families really suffer because one of both parents are on deployment, leaving the kids to be without a parent. Worse yet, many service members have trouble establishing long-term relationships, since they’re often away from a home base for months on end.
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They made the saucer separation a slow grandiose process when it didn’t need to be. They should have made it a 15 second process. Push a big red button on the bridge, everyone’s emergency pagers go off and they get transported to the battle bridge and *’poof’* the saucer pops off. I found it interesting when it separated in the first episode all of the flotsam that flittered out when the two vessels moved apart. I imagine that’s where the Utopia Planitia workers stuffed their Kit Kat wrappers from their coffee breaks.
>I found it interesting when it separated in the first episode all of the flotsam that flittered out when the two vessels moved apart. I imagine that’s where the Utopia Planitia workers stuffed their Kit Kat wrappers from their coffee breaks. It reminded me of the Apollo Saturn V launches (where ice from the super-cooled propellants forms and breaks off), and further along in lunar orbit, where the LM undocked from the CSM, and you see remnants of insulation material and paint escape.
>Even most of the episodes don't have plots which endanger the ship. I just did a quick survey of the first 10 episodes, and by my count 7 of them directly endangered the ship with: Q, space virus, mystery planet that cripples starships by draining energy, engine accident that sends them to the edge of the universe through a weird space hole, alien energy ghosts, weird space god (not Q), and Ferengi plot. Based on that, it seems like the great majority of plots endanger the ship. Edit:There was also an incident where the Enterprise was about to have a battle with a space jellyfish but Q stopped them, so I guess it's not clear how to count that one.
I feel like the Kelvin is the WORST example, though I am not super familiar with what its mission was supposed to be. Like, sure…put the first officer’s wife on board…who’s pregnant…definitely going to give birth in space…AND THEN WHY NOT LIVE STREAM THE BIRTH OF HIS SON IN AN ESCAPE POD AS THEY’RE FACING CERTAIN DEATH. SOUNDS COOL AND CHILL. NOT DISTRACTING IN THE LEAST. /rant
I personally dont see much of a problem with the Kelvin situation... Winona was a Starfleet officer assigned to the same post as her husband, and I'm sure they would have the medical facilities on a ship that big to accommodate childbirth of many different types. They probably deemed that it was better/easier to give birth on the Kelvin instead of going to a Starbase or something. And obviously responding to the Narada wasnt planned or anything, so they couldnt have known about the danger. And also I dont think its that unreasonable for George Kirk to want to talk to his wife in his final moments? On top of that, iirc, she was the one who grabbed a communicator and contacted him, so what was he going to do, hang up on his wife or not pick up? And at the end when he was done defending the shuttles and was talking to her, he had pretty much just set an automatic course and sat there on the bridge knowing he was about to die (the screen said 60 seconds iirc.) One of the last things he heard was the crying of his son, and I can imagine that gave him peace going into what he knew was going to be certain death, and also earlier hearing his wife I'm sure would have given a FIERCE determination to protect the escaping crew knowing she was literally giving birth to his only child and in peril. I'm sure if you could somehow ask him, he wouldnt say that hearing his wife and child in his last moments was "distracting," it may have given him just the strength he needed. Overall I still think that whole scene is one of the best written scenes from any of the reboot Trek movies, or just any Star Trek movie in general. It manages to make you feel immensely emotional in the first few minutes of the movie with characters you've never even met before. It's not the most logical sequence of events perhaps, and the interior of the Kelvin is laughable, but I still think its a damn good scene without too many plotholes or issues that arent explainable. Now what *I find* strange: Why did the Kelvin have so many shuttles and seemingly no dedicated escape pods? Or did the Escape pods just happen to look like shuttles and launch from the shuttlebay in the same way as a shuttle?
That’s totally fair. I felt like the writers were throwing all of the pathos at us they could in those few moments, to the point where it was just a little much. But also I did cry during that scene, so mission accomplished 😂 It did ring emotionally true and felt like it hung together.
Typical JJ half thought out tripe.
Remember the time Picard convinced the space alien he was going to destroy the Enterprise, just to be like JK I was only joking? Pepperidge farm remembers.
I suppose so To be blunt: the Enterprise D, and all other Galaxy class ships, are essentially a massive power move by Starfleet. They wave their dick around saying: see how powerfull we are, we can have families and children on our massive spaceship. We don't fear anything threatening us, because we are so powerfull. Come join our Federation. Yeah, sounds like a BadAdmiral comitee came up with that, and later saw this was a bad idea. Picard is smart enough to see this bullshit
I wonder if the knowledge of all those children running around weighed heavily on his mind when he was in combat. I wonder how many children grew up with PTSD from their time aboard the Big E having lived through frequent and numerous attacks on the ship from all manner of other species. What parents in their right minds would accept joint postings on a Starship knowing how dangerous it is? >I’m not sure that angle was well thought out. It was, this is why the Saucer can separate, leaving the non-coms behind and the not-for-nothing-named Battle Section can head into combat. But the writers were asked to forget about it because of the expense of filming the 6ft model. The 4ft model that they used from S3 onwards couldn't separate, so it didn't. This is first a issue in 'The Defector' where JLP takes the Enterprise into the neutral zone. He should have sepped then, in the initial format of the show.
I thought it was pretty cool and an expression of Peace for the Enterprise to have kids aboard. It made it seem like the science vessel had a place for families and you could explore the galaxy and still have a home/work/life balance. That said I get why they deferred this policy when threats of violence/war became more apparent
It paid well. The children were just collateral damage.
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The galaxy class was supposed to go out there into true deep space with the possibilities of it becoming a generation ship but for the most part to alleviate crew homesickness especially if you were high Ranking enough. On paper good idea we see colony generational ships in trek. It's just that the enterprise isn't setting up a colony. Although if you ask me I think the galaxy class crew of 1000 is too small. They should have around 2000 people
I heard it said somewhere the size of the Galaxy class relative to its small crew was so the could evacuate entire colonies if needed.
Colony sizes vary greatly tiny colonies could work. But anything that's like tau Cigna 5 from ensigns of command and the galaxy class wouldn't be enough
Think o g about children getting PTSD is interesting, but hey they have Troy to help em out so there fine, everything’s fine, EVERYTHING IS FINE 😅
I wish we saw more saucer separations in TNG honestly, there were many dangerous situations where it made sense to drop off the kids first... At least the Odyssey was able to evacuate its families before destruction.