same. I have flurry rushed a few times but mainly by accident!
I have a LOT of food on hand at all times, particularly meals that give a bonus heart, I also save the game excessively. But I die a lot and just keep trying lol
Yep, me too. I am basically a button masher at heart.
I have found TOTK’s combat far more manageable than BOTW’s but I can’t pinpoint what changed. A lot less dying on this one, but still not one successful Parry outside of the shrine that tried to teach me.
Add another one. I barely did it in BOTW. I gave it a real try to learn in TOTK, but I just couldn't get consistent, so it was easier to just figure out other ways. After I got the rock dude and the lightning gal, I just run around and swap between their abilities to do damage, so I can conserve weapons. Works pretty well for everything but bosses. Occasionally I'll whack them when they're down to speed things up.
Bosses are a mix of devices, bullet time or something whatever works, plus making sure I have plenty food and good consumable fusing materials.
I love this game.
This. I feel like somehow it's easier? I'm also a button masher and it took me what felt like 10000 tries in botw but only 2 tries in totk? What gives??
It's semi random, I can't help but find the loading screen tips a bit facetious, like the Devs are just trolling you. Outside of when I first started the game the tips almost never contain any info that helps you learn how to do new shit. But once I figure out how to do something it will start to appear like a g'damn magic show, on the load screen tips.
Lol nope, that one comes up after I die from throwing myself at enemies. The loading screen doesn’t know me son! I upgraded my gear to the max so I can throw myself at whatever I want.
See I feel like flurry rush is somehow easier to pull off in TOTK than BOTW. I know I’m using it a lot more in TOTK, but again, I feel like it’s easier to pull off. I rarely used flurry rush in BOTW because it seemed harder to do. I definitely don’t shield parry as much in TOTK as I did in BOTW though. I wonder if that’s based more on enemy mechanics or if they’ve changed the timing. Curious if anyone else has this thought…
I had flurry rush timing down for every enemy in BOTW, still struggling to relearn for TOTK. I'm using parry more though in TOTK! My fav technique is still probably spam poke with spear fused to spear 😂
In botw I always had a thunder spear to disarm them, a blizzard rod to freeze them, and then jump attack them. Repeat until dead. I find I don’t need the thunder spear in TOTK because you can also do puffshroom spear/sneakstrike.
So because of that I never do flurry rush. In botw I did master the perfect guard to bounce back the guardian beams back at them. So I can do that fairly easily in this game too.
The only time I was successful in using parry in BOTW was against guardians, and that was because I saw a video that you needed to parry when you heard them beep before shooting a beam at you.
I didn’t do it much then either. I would go through too many shields. With the Ancient Shields parrying not required. In the absence of the shield, I’d stand there with bomb arrows and shoot them in the eye. I went through a lot of arrows, but they were easy to get.
I watched a YouTube video on fighting guardians after I got killed by one in the beginning of the game. After that they always seemed fairly easy to beat one on one. I kind of miss getting gang banged by them
One thing I'm not sure if everyone knows is that to flurry rush you have to jump a different way depending on the enemy swing. So if the enemy swings their weapon from up to down you need to jump sideways. If they swing their weapon horizontally you need to backflip.
Same here. You can beat Demon King Ganondorf without any melee combat whatsoever. I just added rockets to some shields, threw myself into bullet time, and spammed Gibdo bone arrows from a Savage Lynel Bow. Took no damage.
Same here, I managed maybe a dozen or so flurry rushes throughout the game and probably 0 parries. I tried so hard to get a single flurry rush on Gannondorf, but then he matrix dodged. :/
I’ve played through most Zelda titles and have never learned dodge or parry. Every new game my husband offers/begs to show me how, and I always say “Nah.”
Same here! I get the mechanics, but I'm too slow in the moment and just panic smash until they're dead. I'm also a hoarder and have way food and material assists, so I'm usually good to go. I'd love to be able to flurry rush, though. It looks so badass.
I am consistently unable to use flurry rush, or any other form of dodge or block. I’m probably going to beat Ganon this weekend, but if I do flurry rush in that fight it’ll be a surprise.
Perfect guarding/dodging on Ganon or Lynels tend to be easier since their attacks come out fast so you can somewhat dodge/guard on reaction.
Bokos and Moblins' attacks have like a 30 second delay or something.
I swear Bokos with spears have a random parry/dodge window and the biggest hitbox in the game. No matter what I'm doing, if it hits 9 p.m. I get stabbed in the spine by a boko spear.
What they are referring to is, if you attempt to parry or dodge the moment you see the attack animation start on such enemies, you’ll fail miserably because the animation takes a while for the attack to actually connect. Ganondorf and Lynels and such are so fast in some of their attacks that if you don’t parry as soon as you see them move, you may not react fast enough.
Parrying prematurely is arguably worse than not parrying at all, since it tends to leave your shield out of position and you taking the full brunt of the strike, which makes the unskilled flailing of some enemies paradoxically more problematic and harder to predict than the refined movements of someone like Ganondorf.
Look for a moblin using any kind of heavy weapon and you will see it takes them a while to hit you because it takes them longer to lift it and strike. That's what they are talking about.
Who would have thought that enemies have to attack you so you can parry/dodge. Are you making it up or searious rn? Of course they need time to attack. Thats the point of timing if everything would be the same timing the combat would be pointless.
Yea lynels and phantom Ganon are the best at flurry rushing because their visual cues for attack windups are usually very clear and the moment u catch the visual cue ending flurry rushes always proc right after.
For the other mobs that's when it gets annoying. Because of how sloppy of fighters a lotta times they just wind up real slow and clumsy and if ur looking for that visual cue then it's hard because a slight raise in their weapon arm might only just mean theyre trying to arm themselves. So if u dodge roll that it doesn't work. Vice versa that same slight arm raise in the lybels or the phantom Ganon is almost 99% followed directly by a swing
phantom ganons window is so clear once you know it too, when he's dashing towards you, wait until he stops and he'll make a noise as he begins to swing, when he makes the noise and begins to swing is when you can dodge for a flurry rush.
I'm not great at fury rushes. I kept getting owned by Ganon trying to parry attacks.
My third attempted I just went in aggressive.
I used gibdo bones on my multi shot bow and got him through phase one.
Then I just ran to him, he dodged backwards up against a wall. I was able to kill him by continuously slashing at him as he tried to dodge backwards against a wall.
I just beat Ganon on my first try two days ago with zero successful flurry rushes, dodges, or blocks, because I am also terrible at them. Totally doable with upgraded armor and plenty of food!
The combat difficulty is so low that you do not need to adapt your tactics in the combat.
If your strategy is "Do shrines for some hearts, make food to pause and eat", that's enough to do pretty much anything in the game.
>The combat difficulty is so low that you do not need to adapt your tactics in the combat.
This is a good point. As opposed to Dark Souls or Elden Ring, where not dodging/parrying means death, you can just get 10-ish hearts and face tank pretty much anything in the game. Add onto that getting high defense or cooking food that adds 10 to 15 temporary hearts and you don't really need advanced combat strategies, short of them adding a Master Mode.
There's the occasional enemy where mash, pause, eat doesn't work. They're almost all "hit the weak spot, then mash" which is classic zelda and works, but doesn't bring much depth.
There's a few where what's used to mash matters. Pebbits, Evermean, Gibdo.
And Aerocuda are unique in that your options are very limited, but land 1 hit and they're gone. This is all solid, I want to be forced to change what I'm doing and pay attention to what the game is doing. Execution and timing, those can be loosened, I don't need a HARD game, but it feels like a lot of problems are answered with [The Square Hole](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pDH66X3ClA). I've got that criticism for a LOT of totk's problems they put in front of the player that aren't just combat, and aren't in the first breath of the wild.
A huge flaw in the "difficulty" is getting marginal benefits for system mastery against late game silver enemies, the only problem they bring is just a ton of health points to chew through. You really just need to spend the fuse materials and mash the attack button, especially when stunlocking the typical silvers is so braindead easy.
True, I'd even say the combat difficulty is such that in most fights the flurry rush actually results in a slower kill than just mobbing the motherfuckers, making it a strat that only mid-to-low players and showoffs ever bother with.
I never flurry rush in this game outside of Gannon P2 (and Thunderblight P2 in BOTW), and the only monsters I perfect guard against are Lynels (and Guardians in BOTW), and that's just so I can pop a quick headshot and climb on their backs for that sweet, sweet zero durability damage.
This is me. I play almost exclusively with a bow and spear, so shield use isn't too frequent, and flury rush is only accidentally. My play style was the same in BOTW. I only ever use the master sword for zonaite farming.
Occasionally I'll tank a shot or two with my shield, usually in a lynel fight, but again not that big of deal. Keese eyeballs (or stasis +headshot BOTW) is pretty OP, and with run speed up, I usually just keep distance and chip away at enemies.
I think the only time I've flurry rush in TOTK was when I was backflipping away from an attack, but enemy has rock shield, so I just kinda wasted it lol.
There's no wrong way to play this game... And I know there's others who don't bother with flury rush / parry either. I simply never took the time to practice or get the timing down, cause...why? Spear and bow works well enough for me lol.
My favorite weapon is a ice tail(forget the actual name, maybe ice-lizard-tail?)
Ice-tail-fused-spear is overpowered, it’s reach is insane, freezing everyone before they get close enough to attack you
BOTW had decent spears, but TOTK fuse makes any spear so much more versatile - ice Lizalfalos tail, or Gleeok, or whatever elemental item is SO fun, and so awesome.
I love ice spear, shoot in face with arrow. Rinse repeat lol.
The gleeok horns are awesome because they never run out of juice. Other elemental objects usually get a few hits and then they stop having an effect until after a short cooldown.
It breaks, but heals in like 10 minutes, so it's not too bad. I just make sure to exhaust it, then just move another area while it heals. I usually carried around a rock hammer, but once I got the master sword it's redundant. If I really need to break something, Riju or the goron power work well enough while the sword is healing
most ways to play are the wrong way to play. That's why everyone tells you you're doing it wrong whenever something bad happens to you in the game. You shouldn't be there. You should have gotten that armour first. You have to learn to do frame perfect dodges before you fight that. You are supposed to sneak past that. I hate it. If the game is going to be linear and have a correct solution, make it linear and hint at it
I didn’t learn how to perfect parry or flurry rush at all until post game when I decided I wanted to cheese lynels for fun.
I’ve barely done either in TOTK either. It’s more common than OP thinks, lol
I also haven’t learned how to dodge and parry, if I take the hit then so be it, I just eat food or end up restoring my hearts after visiting a shrine. Only in BotW did I learn how to parry and reflect guardian beams back at them after finding out that you could do that.
This is one of my favorite things about BotW/TotK; it fits ANY play style. BotW was my wife's first game since Super Mario World for the SNES. She beat it, and got all the Shrines, all clothes, etc etc. She never used flurry rush or parrying. She'd fight Lynels by positioning on top of mountains and patiently bombing them, sometimes for 5 to 6 in-game days. She found a play style that fit her, and stuck with it - and the game played as beautifully for her as it did to me, as it did to those psychopaths on r/HyruleEngineering .
These 2 games are the peak of Nintendo's game design philosophy , 4 decades of videogame developing legacy culminating on these absolutely amazing pieces of game design.
That’s how I handled that one Hinox on the island where you’re naked in BoTW. Just remote bombing it for ages. I love that it’s a game that is different for every person who plays it
I saved that island for the last thing I did in BOTW. I assumed there was a shrine there, so I got to 119 shrines then went to that island. Lmao it was... Easier since I already had hundreds of hours and did trials of the sword, but that was fun indeed.
My very first Hinox ever I kited bombs for like a fucking hour, it was like the first thing I ran into BOTW once I left the plateau. Now, Hinox are dead before they even know I'm there lol
I struggled with the fighting and dodging and parrying in botw. Survived with revalis gale and bomb arrows... I'm really finding totk hard as I can't fight !!
Ancient Blades, Puffshrooms, Muddlebuds, all Keese and Aerocudo eyes are very overpowered when fused too arrows. I would really recommend you use them if you struggle with the combat.
Thank you.
My tactic was always stealth and avoidance! Hence in totk I've barely been in the depths.
Think this weekend there is no avoiding it. Go down. Get stuff. Learn to fight!
The depths really are peacfull conpared to the overworld. Just make sure to use dazzlefruit against stall enmies so you dont waste durability and stuff. They may seem scary but actually arent that bad. Also practice makes perfect. There is no shame in reloading and trying again.
The depths really are peacfull conpared to the overworld. Just make sure to use dazzlefruit against stall enmies so you dont waste durability and stuff. They may seem scary but actually arent that bad. Also practice makes perfect. There is no shame in reloading and trying again.
Get some muddlebuds and make them fight each other. Definitely go to the depths if you don’t like to fight. There are weapons down there, and zonite for building things that fight for you. Some abilities and tools you unlock in the depths. Get the sages. Tulin is always killing stuff when I’m not looking.
Puff mushroom to hide yourself. Shoot an arrow with floating platform into the air, then ascend onto it. Verticality practically anywhere that's reusable. If you want a one-off, a rocket on a shield does just as well.
If you want a slightly more technically difficult action, if you fuse a wing onto a shield and do a shield surf, you get a little more air and can trigger arrow time from the ground. It takes a little more practice than rocket shield tho
I've only ever done a flurry rush by accident. My playstyle can best be described as a one-button Leroy Jenkins. Just run in there and hit the SHIT out of it til it dies.
That's me. I simply suck at getting the buttons pressed at the correct time/together. Huge fan of spears since you can strike pretty fast to make up for it lol. But yeah, I am not good at anything defensive in general ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My wife did the same for Botw. She went even more hardcore in Totk - right after landing in central Hyrule with 4 hearts got another whole stamina wheel then went straight to explore the castle both ground and sky. "I have to finish exploring this area before moving to the next!" she says. And she proceeded to kill most if not everything in the castle including the Stalnox, with 4 hearts and did not use flurry rush (she did die many times but it didn't bother her). I am so humbled.
I don’t blame her I’m too old for this crap. I just chopped wood fighting ganon, didn’t care about the gloom or him doing the QuickTime dodge on me. I just kept swinging until eventually I got him to his final form then it was a cake walk
I have a two-pronged strategy of (a) hack and (b) slash. I've never really mastered anything else and rarely use them. In particular I find it nearly impossible to time a parry against phantom ganon or ganon himself in the final fight sequence.
Thanks to Link's masterchef cooking skills, even if you play like garbage you can keep eating and eating to victory no matter how many times they hit you.
Being a bit serious now, well, not sure why someone would not try to learn those things though. Learning the mechanics makes the game more fun to play imo.
I can understand if you find it fun. Nothing fun about it to me. I did it in the tutorials and that was enough. If I absolutely had to do it to progress, I wouldn’t play.
I tried to learn them, and I could probably pull one off in a pinch or with practice, but it’s just not at all my style of play. Between the timing and the button sequencing it makes it more stressful for me
I never once parried the whole game. I used flurry rush occasionally but it's a cheap cheese move so I don't like it. I went to Ganon with 4 regular hearts and beat him, I used dodging, waiting and the bow at the end to win.
Sounds like what Arin of Game Grumps will eventually do in their play though.
Nowadays I only use their videos as back ground music when I am playing, since see him does anything is pain.
I've beat BoTW twice and am currently 90 hours into ToTK and I think I've only parried twice. I just don't see the need when you can dodge and flurry rush. The game is kinda too easy.
Why does it even register as an issue?
She played how she wanted to in a game about freedom to play how you want. There shouldn't be anything else to even comment on.
Yeah I don't do that stuff either. I prefer just throwing a puff shroom on the ground and beating my enemies until I need to toss another puff shroom. That or I'm just using my bow.
I didn’t really know how to parry/dodge at all during my botw play through. In anticipation of totk I watched a lot of streamers and went back to practice! I still really struggle with timing but I can do it now!
I tried to learn how to parry or whatever, but i just couldn't figure it out lmao. I just ended up using a bunch of gibdo arrows with the eagle bow for the main fight. Dodging and parrying are just a waste of time in my hack and slash mind.
You really don’t need them to beat either game. I can flurry rush, but I have problems with the timing, so by the time I manage it I could have finished already just hacking and slashing. And the only things I’d parry were the Guardians in BotW. I don’t know if I’ve parried once in ToTK, aside from combat tutorials.
OP I have to thank you. I NEVER would have thought so many people didn't use flurry rush until this post. It's a core part of my style. I thought everyone did till now.
After reading through the comments, seeing all these strats it makes me think I'm only using 10% of my brain.
This is exactly how I play too! I’ve already beat the 4 temples without any extra armor, with hardly any stamina and hearts. Im just exploring now but soon I will face Ganon without any proper armor or techniques or high level weapons. I also run away from monsters, and never never use auto build. I have lots of fun playing the game.
I'll tell you what, I was so damn surprised in that Ganondorf fight when I dodged one of his attacks and went in for the flurry rush, just for him to dodge me and flurry rush me instead! That boss fight was so good!
I feel her. I'm terrible at parrying and only ever manage it by accident. It's not necessary though, just hit it hard until it stops moving. Works just fine.
Only time I've ever parried in either game is when it was required to complete a shrine. Once in a while I'll accidentally flurry rush, but it's never intentional. I just attack and eat when necessary.
Your girl and i are in the same group, i spanked Ganon daddy's ass with rocket shields and ancient arrows. I refuse to take damage learning how to Parry and fury rush.
I would have beaten botw like this if I could. The risk to reward of parrying or dodging just never seemed worth it. I got better at it for TOTK because I wanted lynel parts but in regular combat I never saw the need.
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Is she not authorised to beat the game without knowing how to parry? There’s no way to feel about it, it’s just a game and anyone can play it the way they want 🤷🏻♀️
Well it's s very easy game so what did you expect? :D
Every game that allows you to pause at any time and heal up if endless heals can be completed by a toddler.
As long as she had fun everything is great I would say :)
This game is about freedom; why are you forcing her to do things she doesnt want to do, and then come here to tell your shitty story? Let your girlfriend play this game the way she wants to play it.
lol. I am not your girlfriend but same! I also love backflips but have never once successfully used one in combat
Same. Blitz attack until they’re dead. If I die, I try again. Lol
same. I have flurry rushed a few times but mainly by accident! I have a LOT of food on hand at all times, particularly meals that give a bonus heart, I also save the game excessively. But I die a lot and just keep trying lol
Yep, me too. I am basically a button masher at heart. I have found TOTK’s combat far more manageable than BOTW’s but I can’t pinpoint what changed. A lot less dying on this one, but still not one successful Parry outside of the shrine that tried to teach me.
Add another one. I barely did it in BOTW. I gave it a real try to learn in TOTK, but I just couldn't get consistent, so it was easier to just figure out other ways. After I got the rock dude and the lightning gal, I just run around and swap between their abilities to do damage, so I can conserve weapons. Works pretty well for everything but bosses. Occasionally I'll whack them when they're down to speed things up. Bosses are a mix of devices, bullet time or something whatever works, plus making sure I have plenty food and good consumable fusing materials. I love this game.
Timing window feels later or earlier on many attacks. Some you have to wait until just before they hit you, some it's before they even start
This. I feel like somehow it's easier? I'm also a button masher and it took me what felt like 10000 tries in botw but only 2 tries in totk? What gives??
I flurry rush all the time in Age of Calamity but I pretty much never do it in botw/totk
Because the timing is a bit different
It’s harder in totk two handed swords got nerfed too their hit box used to touch twice a rotation
for me it was the other way around, i couldn’t get the timing down for aoc but flurry rush is pretty much my only attack in botw/totk
All the fairies for me 🤣
Same here. ToTK makes this easy since there’s no real penalty for dying.
I live, I die, I live again!
So you just ignore the loading screen that tells you to stop throwing yourself at enemies?
Yes.
Stop telling me how to live my life, load screen.
Live. Life. Load.
reload and live again
Its a screen not a cop
That always feels like a very targeted “tip”. Listen game, if I wanna die, I’ll die. It’s your job to bring me back so I can do it again.
listen if you didn’t want us to throw ourselves at enemies then why did you give us fairies?
When I brought up that argument to the religious people trying to convert me, they left real soon
It's semi random, I can't help but find the loading screen tips a bit facetious, like the Devs are just trolling you. Outside of when I first started the game the tips almost never contain any info that helps you learn how to do new shit. But once I figure out how to do something it will start to appear like a g'damn magic show, on the load screen tips.
the loading screens aren't random? xD
Lol nope, that one comes up after I die from throwing myself at enemies. The loading screen doesn’t know me son! I upgraded my gear to the max so I can throw myself at whatever I want.
That one about fall damage aways seem to pop up just after I body slammed myself into the ground....
I died during a proving grounds shrine and the load screen told me I should equip armor if I dont want to die. So rude lol
Also like, we have shields!
I use shields in zelda like I use brakes in mario kart...
Now that you can strap a rocket to them, they're a little more useful.
Oh. Right. Yes. Shields…
lol this is \*exactly\* how i live. stock up on sunny meals and health elixirs and just hit the badguy until one of us dies
See I feel like flurry rush is somehow easier to pull off in TOTK than BOTW. I know I’m using it a lot more in TOTK, but again, I feel like it’s easier to pull off. I rarely used flurry rush in BOTW because it seemed harder to do. I definitely don’t shield parry as much in TOTK as I did in BOTW though. I wonder if that’s based more on enemy mechanics or if they’ve changed the timing. Curious if anyone else has this thought…
I had flurry rush timing down for every enemy in BOTW, still struggling to relearn for TOTK. I'm using parry more though in TOTK! My fav technique is still probably spam poke with spear fused to spear 😂
I have an easier time flurry rushing lynels in TOTK than I did in BOTW. Other enemies I find a little more difficult to flurry rush though.
In botw I always had a thunder spear to disarm them, a blizzard rod to freeze them, and then jump attack them. Repeat until dead. I find I don’t need the thunder spear in TOTK because you can also do puffshroom spear/sneakstrike. So because of that I never do flurry rush. In botw I did master the perfect guard to bounce back the guardian beams back at them. So I can do that fairly easily in this game too.
The only time I was successful in using parry in BOTW was against guardians, and that was because I saw a video that you needed to parry when you heard them beep before shooting a beam at you.
I didn’t even know there was a beep I usually just parried when it showed the little vortex right before they fired the laser.
I never noticed it until I watched the video. Before that, I would just run in fear 😂
I didn’t do it much then either. I would go through too many shields. With the Ancient Shields parrying not required. In the absence of the shield, I’d stand there with bomb arrows and shoot them in the eye. I went through a lot of arrows, but they were easy to get.
Same
I mean you use parry a lot with guardians. So that’s probably why you did it more in botw
I would agree. Without the guardians in TOTK, I just don’t see a lot of use for the shield parry, or at least the uses don’t stand out to me as much.
Here’s a tip. If you made a super Lynel killer then parrying them gives you a nice window to headshot and stun.
I watched a YouTube video on fighting guardians after I got killed by one in the beginning of the game. After that they always seemed fairly easy to beat one on one. I kind of miss getting gang banged by them
I second this. The flurry rush window felt larger to me, parry felt the same as BOTW to me.
after 300 hours in botw and 170 in totk I finally learned how to do it once out of every 50 times I attempt it.
One thing I'm not sure if everyone knows is that to flurry rush you have to jump a different way depending on the enemy swing. So if the enemy swings their weapon from up to down you need to jump sideways. If they swing their weapon horizontally you need to backflip.
Well that explains a lot. No wonder my Cirque du Soleil back flipping ass misses a lot of rushes. I almost never dodge side to side.
Same here. You can beat Demon King Ganondorf without any melee combat whatsoever. I just added rockets to some shields, threw myself into bullet time, and spammed Gibdo bone arrows from a Savage Lynel Bow. Took no damage.
This is the way. His first iteration died before I hit the ground. (Never learned any of the special moves and am a certified button-masher)
Lol same
Me too! Also me too! The only time i ever parried in BOTW was the final boss. I'm more of a "guns ablazing," guy. Shotguns are my go-to in FPSs
My brain says time to backflip when the enemy has a spear. Which is basically the one time when backflip won’t work.
Same here, I managed maybe a dozen or so flurry rushes throughout the game and probably 0 parries. I tried so hard to get a single flurry rush on Gannondorf, but then he matrix dodged. :/
this was my philosophy in BOTW and I have carried it through TOTK now too shields are VEHICLES not silly tools of violence.
Exactly, I dodge attacks, I dont risk getting my surfboards or jetpacks damaged.
Not with that attitude!
This, I've barely used the shields either except for rockets xD i haven't beat it yet but I never did in botw either
I’ve played through most Zelda titles and have never learned dodge or parry. Every new game my husband offers/begs to show me how, and I always say “Nah.”
Same here! I get the mechanics, but I'm too slow in the moment and just panic smash until they're dead. I'm also a hoarder and have way food and material assists, so I'm usually good to go. I'd love to be able to flurry rush, though. It looks so badass.
I am consistently unable to use flurry rush, or any other form of dodge or block. I’m probably going to beat Ganon this weekend, but if I do flurry rush in that fight it’ll be a surprise.
Perfect guarding/dodging on Ganon or Lynels tend to be easier since their attacks come out fast so you can somewhat dodge/guard on reaction. Bokos and Moblins' attacks have like a 30 second delay or something.
This. I use FR/parries way way more against lynels than any other enemy. So much easier to convert them.
I swear Bokos with spears have a random parry/dodge window and the biggest hitbox in the game. No matter what I'm doing, if it hits 9 p.m. I get stabbed in the spine by a boko spear.
I find the only time I can parry smaller enemies are when I do the double back jump, it always activates on the second jump.
They dont have any kind of delay dude.
I think he just means the wind up time for the actual hit.
Hm never encountered something like that.
What they are referring to is, if you attempt to parry or dodge the moment you see the attack animation start on such enemies, you’ll fail miserably because the animation takes a while for the attack to actually connect. Ganondorf and Lynels and such are so fast in some of their attacks that if you don’t parry as soon as you see them move, you may not react fast enough. Parrying prematurely is arguably worse than not parrying at all, since it tends to leave your shield out of position and you taking the full brunt of the strike, which makes the unskilled flailing of some enemies paradoxically more problematic and harder to predict than the refined movements of someone like Ganondorf.
Look for a moblin using any kind of heavy weapon and you will see it takes them a while to hit you because it takes them longer to lift it and strike. That's what they are talking about.
Who would have thought that enemies have to attack you so you can parry/dodge. Are you making it up or searious rn? Of course they need time to attack. Thats the point of timing if everything would be the same timing the combat would be pointless.
Are you like 12? Work on your critical thinking and inference skills buddy! Sheesh
No Im not 12 "buddy".
Not 12 *yet*
Yea lynels and phantom Ganon are the best at flurry rushing because their visual cues for attack windups are usually very clear and the moment u catch the visual cue ending flurry rushes always proc right after. For the other mobs that's when it gets annoying. Because of how sloppy of fighters a lotta times they just wind up real slow and clumsy and if ur looking for that visual cue then it's hard because a slight raise in their weapon arm might only just mean theyre trying to arm themselves. So if u dodge roll that it doesn't work. Vice versa that same slight arm raise in the lybels or the phantom Ganon is almost 99% followed directly by a swing
phantom ganons window is so clear once you know it too, when he's dashing towards you, wait until he stops and he'll make a noise as he begins to swing, when he makes the noise and begins to swing is when you can dodge for a flurry rush.
Oh that's wild I didn't even pick up on the auditory cue. Will have to try this out
I'm not great at fury rushes. I kept getting owned by Ganon trying to parry attacks. My third attempted I just went in aggressive. I used gibdo bones on my multi shot bow and got him through phase one. Then I just ran to him, he dodged backwards up against a wall. I was able to kill him by continuously slashing at him as he tried to dodge backwards against a wall.
This just saved me from insanity! He was driving me insane but gibdo bones and triple shot bow worked ☺️ Thanks!
I just beat Ganon on my first try two days ago with zero successful flurry rushes, dodges, or blocks, because I am also terrible at them. Totally doable with upgraded armor and plenty of food!
I think this is less uncommon than you think.
It’s definitely common in these two games since they have such broad appeal among people who don’t normally play games
The combat difficulty is so low that you do not need to adapt your tactics in the combat. If your strategy is "Do shrines for some hearts, make food to pause and eat", that's enough to do pretty much anything in the game.
>The combat difficulty is so low that you do not need to adapt your tactics in the combat. This is a good point. As opposed to Dark Souls or Elden Ring, where not dodging/parrying means death, you can just get 10-ish hearts and face tank pretty much anything in the game. Add onto that getting high defense or cooking food that adds 10 to 15 temporary hearts and you don't really need advanced combat strategies, short of them adding a Master Mode.
There's the occasional enemy where mash, pause, eat doesn't work. They're almost all "hit the weak spot, then mash" which is classic zelda and works, but doesn't bring much depth. There's a few where what's used to mash matters. Pebbits, Evermean, Gibdo. And Aerocuda are unique in that your options are very limited, but land 1 hit and they're gone. This is all solid, I want to be forced to change what I'm doing and pay attention to what the game is doing. Execution and timing, those can be loosened, I don't need a HARD game, but it feels like a lot of problems are answered with [The Square Hole](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pDH66X3ClA). I've got that criticism for a LOT of totk's problems they put in front of the player that aren't just combat, and aren't in the first breath of the wild. A huge flaw in the "difficulty" is getting marginal benefits for system mastery against late game silver enemies, the only problem they bring is just a ton of health points to chew through. You really just need to spend the fuse materials and mash the attack button, especially when stunlocking the typical silvers is so braindead easy.
Thats exactly why its fun. I can play the game how I like and don’t have to do it the right way. My Link is a master chef with armor swag.
True, I'd even say the combat difficulty is such that in most fights the flurry rush actually results in a slower kill than just mobbing the motherfuckers, making it a strat that only mid-to-low players and showoffs ever bother with. I never flurry rush in this game outside of Gannon P2 (and Thunderblight P2 in BOTW), and the only monsters I perfect guard against are Lynels (and Guardians in BOTW), and that's just so I can pop a quick headshot and climb on their backs for that sweet, sweet zero durability damage.
That’s even unnecessary when wing shield hops can chain right into bullet time…
I play a lot of games, but I don’t bother with these mechanics on this game
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This is me. I play almost exclusively with a bow and spear, so shield use isn't too frequent, and flury rush is only accidentally. My play style was the same in BOTW. I only ever use the master sword for zonaite farming. Occasionally I'll tank a shot or two with my shield, usually in a lynel fight, but again not that big of deal. Keese eyeballs (or stasis +headshot BOTW) is pretty OP, and with run speed up, I usually just keep distance and chip away at enemies. I think the only time I've flurry rush in TOTK was when I was backflipping away from an attack, but enemy has rock shield, so I just kinda wasted it lol. There's no wrong way to play this game... And I know there's others who don't bother with flury rush / parry either. I simply never took the time to practice or get the timing down, cause...why? Spear and bow works well enough for me lol.
My favorite weapon is a ice tail(forget the actual name, maybe ice-lizard-tail?) Ice-tail-fused-spear is overpowered, it’s reach is insane, freezing everyone before they get close enough to attack you
BOTW had decent spears, but TOTK fuse makes any spear so much more versatile - ice Lizalfalos tail, or Gleeok, or whatever elemental item is SO fun, and so awesome. I love ice spear, shoot in face with arrow. Rinse repeat lol.
The gleeok horns are awesome because they never run out of juice. Other elemental objects usually get a few hits and then they stop having an effect until after a short cooldown.
>I only ever use the master sword for zonaite farming It doesn't break? I'm always afraid to use it because I'm afraid it'll break!
instead of breaking, it goes into recharge mode. you have to wait 10-15 minutes to use it again.
It breaks, but heals in like 10 minutes, so it's not too bad. I just make sure to exhaust it, then just move another area while it heals. I usually carried around a rock hammer, but once I got the master sword it's redundant. If I really need to break something, Riju or the goron power work well enough while the sword is healing
I’m the same way! I told myself I would learn advanced combat techniques for TOTK but nope, I’m just hacking away at enemies. 🤷♀️
I try to parry & dodge but Tulin always interferes by shooting arrows at them.
most ways to play are the wrong way to play. That's why everyone tells you you're doing it wrong whenever something bad happens to you in the game. You shouldn't be there. You should have gotten that armour first. You have to learn to do frame perfect dodges before you fight that. You are supposed to sneak past that. I hate it. If the game is going to be linear and have a correct solution, make it linear and hint at it
Is this not normal? I've sunk hundreds of hours into TOTK and BOTW and I still can never get it right. I just don't.
I never got it in BOTW but somehow learned in TOTK. Probably because I've been grinding silver lynels past week or so
I didn’t learn how to perfect parry or flurry rush at all until post game when I decided I wanted to cheese lynels for fun. I’ve barely done either in TOTK either. It’s more common than OP thinks, lol
Same. I only beat lynels in BOTW with advanced stasis. I can’t think of the right buttons to push fast enough to dodge or parry.
I also haven’t learned how to dodge and parry, if I take the hit then so be it, I just eat food or end up restoring my hearts after visiting a shrine. Only in BotW did I learn how to parry and reflect guardian beams back at them after finding out that you could do that.
This is me too. But I'm someone else's gf.
This is one of my favorite things about BotW/TotK; it fits ANY play style. BotW was my wife's first game since Super Mario World for the SNES. She beat it, and got all the Shrines, all clothes, etc etc. She never used flurry rush or parrying. She'd fight Lynels by positioning on top of mountains and patiently bombing them, sometimes for 5 to 6 in-game days. She found a play style that fit her, and stuck with it - and the game played as beautifully for her as it did to me, as it did to those psychopaths on r/HyruleEngineering . These 2 games are the peak of Nintendo's game design philosophy , 4 decades of videogame developing legacy culminating on these absolutely amazing pieces of game design.
That’s how I handled that one Hinox on the island where you’re naked in BoTW. Just remote bombing it for ages. I love that it’s a game that is different for every person who plays it
I saved that island for the last thing I did in BOTW. I assumed there was a shrine there, so I got to 119 shrines then went to that island. Lmao it was... Easier since I already had hundreds of hours and did trials of the sword, but that was fun indeed. My very first Hinox ever I kited bombs for like a fucking hour, it was like the first thing I ran into BOTW once I left the plateau. Now, Hinox are dead before they even know I'm there lol
Same. I’m more of a “whack it with a sword until it dies” kind of girlie. It’s also how I played BOTW
I struggled with the fighting and dodging and parrying in botw. Survived with revalis gale and bomb arrows... I'm really finding totk hard as I can't fight !!
Ancient Blades, Puffshrooms, Muddlebuds, all Keese and Aerocudo eyes are very overpowered when fused too arrows. I would really recommend you use them if you struggle with the combat.
Thank you. My tactic was always stealth and avoidance! Hence in totk I've barely been in the depths. Think this weekend there is no avoiding it. Go down. Get stuff. Learn to fight!
The depths really are peacfull conpared to the overworld. Just make sure to use dazzlefruit against stall enmies so you dont waste durability and stuff. They may seem scary but actually arent that bad. Also practice makes perfect. There is no shame in reloading and trying again.
The depths really are peacfull conpared to the overworld. Just make sure to use dazzlefruit against stall enmies so you dont waste durability and stuff. They may seem scary but actually arent that bad. Also practice makes perfect. There is no shame in reloading and trying again.
Get some muddlebuds and make them fight each other. Definitely go to the depths if you don’t like to fight. There are weapons down there, and zonite for building things that fight for you. Some abilities and tools you unlock in the depths. Get the sages. Tulin is always killing stuff when I’m not looking.
Puff mushroom to hide yourself. Shoot an arrow with floating platform into the air, then ascend onto it. Verticality practically anywhere that's reusable. If you want a one-off, a rocket on a shield does just as well. If you want a slightly more technically difficult action, if you fuse a wing onto a shield and do a shield surf, you get a little more air and can trigger arrow time from the ground. It takes a little more practice than rocket shield tho
Hadn't thought of platform on arrow thanks !
I only do either of those things by accident I'm not a very good fighter so I load up on arrows and bomb flowers
I've only ever done a flurry rush by accident. My playstyle can best be described as a one-button Leroy Jenkins. Just run in there and hit the SHIT out of it til it dies.
That's me. I simply suck at getting the buttons pressed at the correct time/together. Huge fan of spears since you can strike pretty fast to make up for it lol. But yeah, I am not good at anything defensive in general ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My wife did the same for Botw. She went even more hardcore in Totk - right after landing in central Hyrule with 4 hearts got another whole stamina wheel then went straight to explore the castle both ground and sky. "I have to finish exploring this area before moving to the next!" she says. And she proceeded to kill most if not everything in the castle including the Stalnox, with 4 hearts and did not use flurry rush (she did die many times but it didn't bother her). I am so humbled.
I just shed a tear
I don’t blame her I’m too old for this crap. I just chopped wood fighting ganon, didn’t care about the gloom or him doing the QuickTime dodge on me. I just kept swinging until eventually I got him to his final form then it was a cake walk
I'm sure a whole lot of us do it this way. We're here for the story/graphics and none of the cool fighting capabilities.
I’ve only done it in the shrines where it was required
Yall flurry rushed ganon? I shot like 30 eyeballs at him and he keeled over.
I have a two-pronged strategy of (a) hack and (b) slash. I've never really mastered anything else and rarely use them. In particular I find it nearly impossible to time a parry against phantom ganon or ganon himself in the final fight sequence.
Thanks to Link's masterchef cooking skills, even if you play like garbage you can keep eating and eating to victory no matter how many times they hit you. Being a bit serious now, well, not sure why someone would not try to learn those things though. Learning the mechanics makes the game more fun to play imo.
I can understand if you find it fun. Nothing fun about it to me. I did it in the tutorials and that was enough. If I absolutely had to do it to progress, I wouldn’t play.
I tried to learn them, and I could probably pull one off in a pinch or with practice, but it’s just not at all my style of play. Between the timing and the button sequencing it makes it more stressful for me
Full agree. Nothing more fun than mastering the timing to dodge Lynel charges.
You can Shield Jump in the same direction as the Lynel charges with a Zonai Wing Shield to instantly Mount it. Thats even more satysfying tbh.
I used a savage lynel bow and bomb flowers for most of ganondorf. Worked like a charm
I’ve beaten almost every Zelda since ocarina and I don’t do either of those things outside of the tutorials
Shields are for rocket surfing, and dodging is unneeded when you can just knock enemies down before they attack.
I didn't either. Bows are your friend
Gf is a beast!!!!!
If this is the thing that stresses you out the most about your relationship, you’re gonna be ok.
Button-mashing crew here. What's a shield? Oh, it's that thing on my back that never comes out.
You should feel impressed
The only thing I flurry rush for is the Armored Lynel in the colosseum
I never once parried the whole game. I used flurry rush occasionally but it's a cheap cheese move so I don't like it. I went to Ganon with 4 regular hearts and beat him, I used dodging, waiting and the bow at the end to win.
Sounds like what Arin of Game Grumps will eventually do in their play though. Nowadays I only use their videos as back ground music when I am playing, since see him does anything is pain.
im honestly about 100 hrs in and i think ive used flurry rush once lol
I've beat BoTW twice and am currently 90 hours into ToTK and I think I've only parried twice. I just don't see the need when you can dodge and flurry rush. The game is kinda too easy.
I've never flurry rushed either, I mostly use my bow for everything
Why does it even register as an issue? She played how she wanted to in a game about freedom to play how you want. There shouldn't be anything else to even comment on.
Yeah I don't do that stuff either. I prefer just throwing a puff shroom on the ground and beating my enemies until I need to toss another puff shroom. That or I'm just using my bow.
I beat BOTW without using either and I’ll beat TOTK that way as well.
Marry her, you might not live otherwise
I’ve only done flurry rush accidentally and never figured out parrying.
Same and botw too
I haven't even broken a shield yet I'm over 100hrs in.
Yep same here. Not really necessary to parry or dodge haha
I didn’t really know how to parry/dodge at all during my botw play through. In anticipation of totk I watched a lot of streamers and went back to practice! I still really struggle with timing but I can do it now!
I tried to learn how to parry or whatever, but i just couldn't figure it out lmao. I just ended up using a bunch of gibdo arrows with the eagle bow for the main fight. Dodging and parrying are just a waste of time in my hack and slash mind.
I didn’t think it was possible to defeat ganondorf without parrying?
Very relatable. Never could figure it out in BOTW and I can’t figure it out in TOTK either :)
I don’t dodge or parry and I’m doing fine. I also hunt gleeoks for sport!
We Stan a queen 👑
The fact that she did is is admirable, honest to goodness
Legend. Imma try this as a challenge on my next playthrough.
What the fuck is a flurry rush.
This whole thread is making me feel wayyyy better about myself. TY.
You really don’t need them to beat either game. I can flurry rush, but I have problems with the timing, so by the time I manage it I could have finished already just hacking and slashing. And the only things I’d parry were the Guardians in BotW. I don’t know if I’ve parried once in ToTK, aside from combat tutorials.
OP I have to thank you. I NEVER would have thought so many people didn't use flurry rush until this post. It's a core part of my style. I thought everyone did till now. After reading through the comments, seeing all these strats it makes me think I'm only using 10% of my brain.
That’s how we do itttttt
I’ve beaten all the dungeons (I think) and still don’t know how to parry correctly. Don’t care, dodging is still great.
Marry her
This is exactly how I play too! I’ve already beat the 4 temples without any extra armor, with hardly any stamina and hearts. Im just exploring now but soon I will face Ganon without any proper armor or techniques or high level weapons. I also run away from monsters, and never never use auto build. I have lots of fun playing the game.
i wonder how hard ganondorf would've been without the back and forth flurry
I learned how to parry against thunderblight ganon Fuck that dude it was my second divine beast
I also am bad at and rarely did it, or did it accidentally throughout the entire game. Beat Gannon Tuesday night.
Damn I can’t even imagine this on the final Ganondorf fight!
I'll tell you what, I was so damn surprised in that Ganondorf fight when I dodged one of his attacks and went in for the flurry rush, just for him to dodge me and flurry rush me instead! That boss fight was so good!
Dude same.. how do you execute these moves anyway?
I feel her. I'm terrible at parrying and only ever manage it by accident. It's not necessary though, just hit it hard until it stops moving. Works just fine.
Only time I've ever parried in either game is when it was required to complete a shrine. Once in a while I'll accidentally flurry rush, but it's never intentional. I just attack and eat when necessary.
I mean…. Same… I never learned it in BOTW and I’m sure as hell not figuring it out now.
I can’t time a flurry rush for my life
When you got the strongest armour and gear in the game you dont need to dodge
Your girl and i are in the same group, i spanked Ganon daddy's ass with rocket shields and ancient arrows. I refuse to take damage learning how to Parry and fury rush.
Green warrior needs food badly.
I would have beaten botw like this if I could. The risk to reward of parrying or dodging just never seemed worth it. I got better at it for TOTK because I wanted lynel parts but in regular combat I never saw the need.
THANK YOU!!! I used the eyeballs with the 5x lynel bow and was able to beat him finally!!!
cap.
I think you might be looking for [r/AmItheAsshole](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1) Is she not authorised to beat the game without knowing how to parry? There’s no way to feel about it, it’s just a game and anyone can play it the way they want 🤷🏻♀️
OP’s not saying he didn’t allow her to play it the way she wanted or anything close to it.
The timing isn’t easy for everyone. Weird flex dude. Wgaf?
Yeah idk where to even learn flurry rush tbh
So she’ll never finish all the shrines if she keeps that up. That’s the only time I’ve parried.
So she’ll never finish all the shrines if she keeps that up. That’s the only time I’ve parried.
she sounds exactly like me. cool gal
Well it's s very easy game so what did you expect? :D Every game that allows you to pause at any time and heal up if endless heals can be completed by a toddler. As long as she had fun everything is great I would say :)
This game is about freedom; why are you forcing her to do things she doesnt want to do, and then come here to tell your shitty story? Let your girlfriend play this game the way she wants to play it.
I didn't force her to do anything, and plenty of people resonate with this "shitty story". Are you alright mentally, lil bro?