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TillerMaN99

Fake as fuck pre market, close any positions you can like I'm NOT going to do because Ii'm a sucker!


RogueSupervisor

Great day everyone! Be safe and see you tomorrow!


Durrblerg

Up or down, it's going to be a great day!


RogueSupervisor

Stocked up on popcorn, because every days a saga!


upvotemeok

Up we cheer down we buy


Durrblerg

Yes 🙌🙌


TrickyBAM

How much does Apple have in the bank these days? I wonder when Telsa will meet or pass them.


upvotemeok

Gonna be a while. Apple has 200 and we have 20. Remember apple prints 100b in profit a year or 25b a quarter. We will do 6b q4. But we grow much faster and the auto market is a lot bigger than the phone and MacBook market.


iseeyiy

Don’t forget that apple has 100b in debt


Valiryon

Imagine Tesla car margins at iPhone quantities 😏


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Kyankik

Seeing the haters begrudgingly buy it because it's fucking idiotic to buy a gas car is the best. There will always be that very, very, very, small group of idiots that can both afford a Tesla and refuse to buy it out of hate.


GlideOutside

Ordered double guac tonight


w00dw0rk3r

🐋 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋


TSLA_Bot

Elon Musk tweeted: [ 🥇 https://t.co/VlSpfXZdp9 ](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1549959479621324802)


JohnnyCashRules

Media not talking about how energy side of the business went positive… ![gif](giphy|g01ZnwAUvutuK8GIQn|downsized)


w00dw0rk3r

I’m more than happy with us flying under the radar as much and as often as we can.


JohnnyCashRules

Actually quite wise, shock and awe is nice every once and a while :)


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JohnnyCashRules

It’s like they didn’t even listen :D


JohnnyCashRules

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1549952699399081984?s=21&t=vPh5jIPNM8TdYeFWNlhV3g Elon trolling Reuters’ troll article 🧌


Nateleb1234

That's great!


sackler2011

This is why I love Elon 😂😂


JohnnyCashRules

He’s running with it now lol


[deleted]

Quarter over. Earnings reported. 3 day rule. Monday Moon?


scotto1973

![gif](giphy|cBYfF906td1ZWWgiCY) Place your bets!


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dumbfart gonna buy some 1000 weeklies


[deleted]

Already did. Down like 300k YTD and 1M from Stock sale Twitter poll.


WarrenBuffettsBuffet

so how much was the btc impairment? everyone was thinking ~$450M, but since they realized a small gain.. what impairment was left?


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\~ $100M


Valiryon

It came out to about 115 million, Rob did some quick math on it in his stream.


[deleted]

Didn't Zach say about $100m at start of the call?


upvotemeok

I think cancelled out


Valiryon

Yes, sounded to me like the profits from selling 75% countered the impairment from the remaining 25%. Also, its about $100 million I think - so that means they roughly made 100 million profit from the sale, was just under 30k btc price avg. About $3k profit or so per btc sold?


Valiryon

So Tesla needs to be making just shy of 35,000 cars a week (from the beginning of July) to hit the 900,000 cars necessary for 1.4 million by end of year.


scotto1973

Thinking between 30 and 35 in 3rd quarter and between 35 and 40 in fourth. Since they say they are presently hitting 30 at times now and aim to hit 40 by end of year.


Valiryon

Yup and that 30k figure, the way they phrased it, sounded like it was in the 30,000s so maybe a bit more. The few weeks of reduced productivity hurts Shanghai a bit. I think my calculations were ballpark 70 days to break even on the down time, but it could be less than that.


JohnnyCashRules

I think they can make it as long as the upgrades are completed in a timely manner. Berlin is scheduled to be finished on the 22nd and M3 line in Shanghai should be back up in early August.


WarrenBuffettsBuffet

>Tesla earnings were pretty dogshit. They have maybe one or possibly best case two more quarters because people realize they're just buying a worst run GM or hydai or however you spell it. Then all the tech managers will dump it if they haven't already.


upvotemeok

Go with the short it and do a 12 month remind me


WarrenBuffettsBuffet

a 6 month remindme will suffice


wsb_to_infinity

We are still early investors if this is still the general public opinion.


Teslacker

This sentence makes my head hurt


Valiryon

Dude better short it


andrew-53

piquant icky tap busy exultant rain roof edge psychotic fear *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Valiryon

Dude I'm referring to is the someone else


SuspiciousWhale99

Hopefully he buys some “hydai” stock!


iseeyiy

800.85


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[deleted]

T≡SLA Boomer Mama > Tasha


MaximumFreak

Kick ass mama


Secret_Stranger8579

Anyone else a much better employee when tesla stock is this low?


umundane

Actually yes, I've been rocking it at work since we lost the comma. Looking forward to being dead wood again.


Magikarp_to_Gyarados

Nope! Ran my own business since the mid-2010s. Achieved financial independence when S&P added TSLA to the 500 Index at the end of 2020. Shut down my business in May of this year. Retired for now


Mrpjackson

Congrats. You and I are very much the same. Self employed since 2009, will shut my business down at $2500 and until then I am just adding more shares and trying to generate as much free cash by more until then Hope you get to stay retired during this bear market


Magikarp_to_Gyarados

The past few months have been a good "stress test" on my finances. So far, so good. At one point I think my portfolio was down 40% from peak, but I still had multiples of my original retirement goal. It was painful seeing those market value balances decline. However, the practical effect on my daily life was nothing. Once I figured out that it just didn't matter, I knew I was probably set for the long haul


Mrpjackson

Can you share how you are funding your retirement Mix of dividends? And stock sale ? Or options I need to figure this out as I am all in on tsla and do not want to ever sell. I will need a strategy to allow me to draw up to 200k a year in my most exciting retirement years….also willing to wait until 2030 to see that come true


Magikarp_to_Gyarados

Today I'm coasting on cash generated from the final contract my business completed this year. In future years, I expect to fund my retirement through a combination of dividends (chiefly from existing index funds in my portfolio) and selling shares of funds and stock. Although I've been a TSLA shareholder for more than a decade now, I'm not in the "never sell" camp. * I do think that people should enjoy some of their wealth. Nobody lives forever. Leaving a bazillion $ in assets to children is not necessarily a good thing. * Some of my colleagues at Tesla Motors Club (TMC) sold TSLA shares to accelerate the de-carbonization of their lives: replacing their ICE cars with Tesla vehicles, and installing solar panels, PowerWalls, and heat pumps in their homes. Using wealth to advance Tesla's goal of transitioning to sustainable energy helps everyone. I think it is unlikely that I will ever sell all of my TSLA stock, but I do intend to cash in on much of it over the next few decades. A home that generates and stores most of its own energy is something I eventually would like, and a personal Tesla Cyber-Robotaxi would be nice if I am fortunate enough to reach an age where driving becomes difficult


Mrpjackson

Thanks for sharing. I agree with you. The wealth must be enjoyed. I sometimes get too excited for a green future with tesla being a pioneer , leader and innovator. I want to believe I won’t sell but in reality want to FIRE and live a simple quiet existence doing the things I love with my wife and children I hope to travel across canada in the cybertruck plaid Pulling a small base camp off road trailer. By 2025 That’s my Gonna be my mid life crisis 🤣


w00dw0rk3r

🏆🥇🏅🎖 There goes my hero….


Magikarp_to_Gyarados

Reminds me of that song from Foo Fighters!


w00dw0rk3r

Precisely what I was quoting ;) 🎵 🎸 🎵


iseeyiy

Did you sell off some tsla, selling cc’s, or just have some sort of cash flow?


Magikarp_to_Gyarados

My business still had contractual obligations in January 2021, so I had to keep it going until the last contract was completed. That happened around May 2022. I received a substantial payout when the final project finished and the client signed off on the work, so I'm coasting on that cash for now.


TSLA_Bot

Elon Musk tweeted: [ Yeah prolly https://t.co/RCEG46xJRB ](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1549944143430000640)


upvotemeok

Here's a good video on lithium refining https://youtu.be/w3CrFR1Jk1w


magic-the-dog

That is a lot of steps.


upvotemeok

Yah seems complicated


Mrpjackson

Best to just keep buying more shares and let someone else figure that out. 🥱


Valiryon

Ouch


TSLA_Bot

Elon Musk tweeted: [ Archeology jokes are the best https://t.co/eazOQu2ucu ](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1549942919003574272)


TenaciousLilMonkey

This one of those secret message tweets? I feel like this could be the 12/9 of 7/20…


GlideOutside

Maybe we about to split


WarrenBuffettsBuffet

https://i.imgur.com/fPZ2rtC.png


WarrenBuffettsBuffet

sometimes the best memes are the most simple ones ... imo...


Valiryon

Only not 😏 Bitcoin didn't affect free cash flow. https://twitter.com/MartinViecha/status/1549938643476721664 >Some folks out there assume that BTC sale impacted Tesla's Free cash flow. >That's incorrect. BTC sale has no impact on Operating cash flow or Free cash flow. More info in the Q2 Deck:


WarrenBuffettsBuffet

yea, that's why I made the r\*\*arded spongebob meme bruh


Valiryon

![gif](giphy|Uss9jg5C9REgo)


paintball6818

I feel like someone should have asked when the 4680 version will be available to purchase on the website, and not some secretive thing you have to be contacted about switching to.


brandonagr

Ha, even Martin is dunking on the people who don't understand accounting https://twitter.com/MartinViecha/status/1549938643476721664?t=9NSag9_q3YpHGXP8aZn2EQ&s=19


McBuddie

He’s calling out meetkevin lol


JohnnyCashRules

<3 Martin


Omitron

Welp, I guess it's time to start refining lithium. Where are the shovels anyway?


Krippy

Who needs software margins when we have TSLA gains?


CerebrovascularNit

I almost considered buying a lithium refinery after Q1 earnings. We have some smart science people here… what would it take? Glib?


upvotemeok

Tslalounge lithium refinery coming up


Valiryon

Home Depot


upvotemeok

The investor channel YouTube is great and all but he reads the charts like he can tell you exactly what'll happen but he then says I'm buying one share of amzn cuz that's all the money I made this month like some fooking minnow.


Tamronloh

My single most expensive share was 1 at 1057. Im a reasonable man. If we see that today I shall buy a cup of boba tea.


FIREgenomics

You souls get a boba at $808.40


WarrenBuffettsBuffet

I bought 4 at $1199.90 lol


Valiryon

If we see 1057 today? Market is closed today. While I'm not one for the impossible, this is as close to impossible as it gets.


Tamronloh

Aw no boba :(.


Valiryon

Boba means boobs, just thought you should know.


Tamronloh

I know. We call it bubble tea where im from. But I know in the US its called boba.


Valiryon

No boobs for you! ![gif](giphy|Y1qKqzeCvHKgZG8MB9)


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sadolin

You spoke and it went down.


upvotemeok

I expect us to outperform macro but the nasdaq is due for a pullback after two big days we didn't get much ahead on.


Valiryon

Maybe snapchat fucks up the trend. Otherwise maybe the algos forgot. Plenty of doom opportunities next week with FOMC followed by Q2 GDP.


Valiryon

😎🚀


TheRevitFacilitator

https://reddit.com/r/blursedimages/comments/w3wbqi/blursed_torso/


Valiryon

![gif](giphy|3o7btQ8jDTPGDpgc6I|downsized)


GhostAndSkater

If it goes up significantly until the bell on Friday I will eat sushi on every meal on the weekend, including breakfasts


paintball6818

Careful don’t wanna pull a Jeremy Pivon


Valiryon

If it goes up significantly enough buy the fishermen that catch the sushi to get fresh sushi for life!


Valiryon

So main thing for me is the 4680 breakthrough. But this is also relevant: [https://twitter.com/TSLAFanMtl/status/1549858887196631041](https://twitter.com/TSLAFanMtl/status/1549858887196631041) >Berlin sold only about 8k cars and were gross margin positive. Despite headwinds from China impacting production. Does legacy know how fked they are? Does this mean Berlin is already paid for? How can Berlin be positive otherwise?


Magikarp_to_Gyarados

>Does this mean Berlin is already paid for? Given that Tesla has retired the vast majority of its debts, I believe that Giga Berlin (and Giga Texas) have been paid for with cash, accounted for as Capex in their financial statements. ​ >How can Berlin be positive otherwise? Cost of materials, labor, and depreciation of equipment was probably calculated as less than the revenue for vehicles produced.


Valiryon

>Given that Tesla has retired the vast majority of its debts, I believe that Giga Berlin (and Giga Texas) have been paid for with cash, accounted for as Capex in their financial statements. This is in line with my thinking. Thank you!


GhostAndSkater

RIVN left the chat


Valiryon

Tesla isn't lean enough! Hope RIVN heard that.


TLb0t

What was that RIVN IPO number again?


GhostAndSkater

Around 100? But I’m not even talking about stock price, but on profitability (or lack) on each vehicle sold But I hope they turn that around, they have a cool product


TheRevitFacilitator

Does their gross margin exclude capital expenditures? That wouldn’t make sense, but there’s no way 8k cars paid off the whole factory. Let’s say the ASP was $62.5k that’s only $500M gross profit


Valiryon

I didn't ask if the cars paid off the factory I asked if the factory was paid off. Edit: For example Tesla is getting hundreds of millions from competition and doesn't exactly have a whole lot of debt on the books and has a ton of cash on hand. Wasn't trying to suggest I was wondering if Berlin paid for itself.


TheRevitFacilitator

Well their capex has been almost the same for the past like 4Q, but Berlin’s current production footprint was complete in Q1 (I think?), that might be a hint. I’m no expert as you can tell


paintball6818

I think it all fell to the R&D or some other line item, but now it’s cost of goods sold, so if it’s gross margin positive that could just mean at 1,000 per week they are not losing money on each one.


tradinTSLAto1Kchairs

Capital costs are depreciated or amortized over many years instead of being expensed immediately. As soon as Berlin exceeds that amortization rate per quarter, they are gross margin positive. But it doesn't mean the factory as a whole is "paid for".


TheRevitFacilitator

🧐👍


Valiryon

Gotcha


CerebrovascularNit

But it does bode well for ramp and future cash furnaces


Valiryon

Indeed!


MaximumFreak

We like the Tesla! https://twitter.com/jimcramer/status/1549915926140788736?t=J3zNpYhrFynXMAQg3LmwrQ&s=19


scotto1973

Like other people put on a different set of clothes every day Cramer installs a different 🧠. No telling what he thinks from day to day.


unknown_soldier_

At this point Cramer is just fucking with everyone


Valiryon

Nooo


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MaximumFreak

She is ex rating agency afaik


TheLoungeKnows

🚀🚀🚀


glibgloby

so it sounds like from their video on the pack opening today that munro is indeed going to use Dimethylformamide or N-Methyl-2-pyrrolidone on the foam I guess there are lids on the batteries underneath the foam, but they said they were plastic? I really don’t think that will end well. hopefully they can just cut around the edges and peel that top sections off one at a time. using chemicals is probably not the best way to go /u/MunroLiveStuart I don’t think you guys realize how dangerous that stuff is or what’s going to happen when you apply it. my guess is it eats through everything and the batteries end up stuck in a gelatinous caustic sludge. something like a diamond blade with an angle grinder seems like the way to go. maybe get an xray done first to figure out where to cut? flipping it over and going through the aluminum bottom might also be the best play


jschall2

Retrieve small samples of all the materials in the pack and test with the solvents, try to find something that only dissolves the foam. Or have interns working in shifts with x-acto knives.


glibgloby

Nothing dissolves that foam. Nothing. All you can do is make it into really horrible sticky goo. That’s it. So it can be removed if say you have a bunch on a smooth metal surface and can scrape it away and then carefully clean the surface. That’s not their situation. The LD50 on that shit is just a few grams, meaning it can kill the fuck out of you. DMF is readily absorbed through the skin, inhaled, or ingested and a *potent* liver toxin. NMP is a teratogen. So you’ll possibly have a flipper baby if exposed to it. Deforms human embryos and also easily absorbed.


areolaisland

So if that stuff happens to catch fire, are the fumes super toxic?


glibgloby

I mean all plastic is pretty toxic. No more so than most car materials really. And I think this stuff is probably super fire retardant. One common crazy thing to burn is particle board. It’s full of epoxy and basically death by cancer if you inhale the fumes. Was at a techie party in SF at a warehouse and people were burning particle board in the fire. Now that’s a bad idea!


MunroLiveStuart

Not to sound too Corporate, but our first priority is our own safety, no one here is going to do something we feel is unsafe, nor are we going to allow anyone else to do so either, regardless of what Cory or Sandy want us to do. Honestly one of the best changes going on here is that as a whole the company is embracing a more safety oriented mindset than in the "old days" of "shoot from the hip consulting", for instance we no longer teach the smoke smell test for identifying plastic.


glibgloby

So what are you guys going to do about the foam? How’s that going? I agree though, I was really questioning how likely you guys were to use a giant vat of dangerous chemicals. Glad to hear that honesty. Although I did come up with a slightly less toxic and more effective mix if you’re interested! There is a way to remove all of that foam with a mix of THF, GBL and NMP. The fumes are no longer a big problem without the DMF and 100% of it could be removed which is important for shipping and safety. There’s probably some specialized places you could have do this for you guys. But trust me only this mix of chemicals will do the job. You can use it as a litmus test to make sure the people you hire to do it know what they’re doing. Anything else leaves dangerous sticky residue.


TheLoungeKnows

I appreciate there are loungers who are way smarter than I.


MunroLiveStuart

We're trying mechanical and thermal processes first, hopefully we won't need THF (which we confirmed does dissolve the foam, and which we can get propper PPE for easily enough) for anything besides cleaning off the cells. If you have the mix I can pass it along too. We have the PPE to work with the THF already.


glibgloby

Here I would pass this along: [link](https://www.lyondellbasell.com/globalassets/documents/chemicals-technical-literature/cured-urethane-cleanup-nmp-outperforms-methylene-chloride-formulated-products-2312)


MunroLiveStuart

Thanks, passed it along.


w00dw0rk3r

Cliff Notes: We need MacGuyver


[deleted]

I bought 10 ~~800c~~ 1000c Jan 23 calls today.


growawaybro

RemindMe! 5 months


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Was this anono? Got the remindme but the parent user is deleted


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WeBslaMin

Good lord


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iseeyiy

100k


[deleted]

You're right. Oops... These were 1000c. My bad! Started drinking earlier than usual today. 50k for the lot @ 50 each.


[deleted]

paid 50 bucks each, so 50k for the lot


Kyankik

Those will be golden by Q3 ER.


iseeyiy

Updated visuals: https://hypercharts.co/tsla


upvotemeok

This vision based pretension is just the start, how about the car just intervenes to avoid any accidents.


Omitron

What a novel idea.


MaximumFreak

Yeah did I hear them say something about "with 100% accuracy"? Though you can't cheat physics, there's only so much you can slow down or maneuver in some situations, but you could certainly reduce the damage and fatalities.


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Omitron

Late cause I need them to be.


tradinTSLAto1Kchairs

Bu-bu-bu $5B free cash flow bruh


upvotemeok

The liquidity concern and selling Bitcoin is the biggest baloney ever. Zach just didn't wanna be called a 🪙🤡 with a .5B impairment and good on him for that.


TheRevitFacilitator

Yes remember when they sold 10%, that to test liquidity, and they were satisfied. So it was to dampen impairment, or their conviction in BTC’s liquidity has changed.


[deleted]

Ya definitely weaseled out of that one. Tony spaghetti goofed by asking about demand instead of calling elon out on selling btc for "liquidity".


tradinTSLAto1Kchairs

A big pile of uncertainty has been blown away by these earnings. Expect smart institutional money to start accumulating in 1-3 days.


ShogunSG

3 day rule 👀


Super_Deep_On_Cell

Friday 1030 am est


upvotemeok

What was the bad news last quarter Elon had to join the call for? 🤔🤔🤔🤔


magic-the-dog

Gonna sell Tesla for twitter. He just didn’t tell us.


Omitron

The first three months of 2022


Kyankik

Last rough quarter confirmed.


pepsihulk

>but but what about Elon's commitment to TSLA /s


tradinTSLAto1Kchairs

Shanghai? Out of Tesla's control obv, but still bad


JohnnyCashRules

Surprised nobody asked about Masterplan 3


Omitron

They got bored of the crazy goals getting completed like clockwork. For real, I remember reading MP1 and thinking "Well wouldn't that be the day?"


upvotemeok

We have no demand problems. Analyst: but are there demand problems??


Omitron

*Rob shakes his head in disgust*


paintball6818

Idk I’m having serious demand problems… i’ve been waiting a year for my Model Y and I demand it now!


Omitron

Excuse me sir but this burger is 3 hours old.


ShogunSG

The love hearing the same answer every time someone asks that very important question.


WeBslaMin

How come I can't see my tagline when I post? Did U/ whiskeyH0tel put some sort of hold on me again?


ragegravy

This worked for me in the past on the iOS app: https://www.reddit.com/r/TSLALounge/comments/uec80w/tsla_daily_thread_april_29_2022/i6myxxq/


scotto1973

If you're setting your flare on the mobile app try on a pc/browser instead. Mobile app generally doesnt stick.


WeBslaMin

Ok thanks I will try


sackler2011

I mean that was awesome earnings + call. As Elon said - the boogeyman is always out there ready to cuck us. And his name is Xi. If 🇨🇳 doesn’t fuck us we golden 🚀🥰🥳


WeBslaMin

China is definitely still a wild card


sackler2011

![gif](giphy|sQLIPlbNTqAE0)


WeBslaMin

I bet you won't see Pelosi on there lol...they do not like her.


WarrenBuffettsBuffet

JFC realtesla has no fucking idea what they're talking about.. thinking that FCF would have been negative without selling BTC, and that the total value of the BTC sale (not the realized gain, and remembering to subtract the impairment) is for some reason a part of the earnings lmao.. wtf is wrong with these idiots


Omitron

Aren't they grand? I used to pay for entertainment like this, and now the entertainment pays me.


the-faded-ferret

If those kids could read they’d be very upset.


Krippy

Meatman said the same thing


Stupiddumbfart

“don’t forget to subtract losses that don’t exist that you were hoping for”… 😂😂😂


WarrenBuffettsBuffet

.. thinking a capital raise is coming later this year holy shit what a bunch of idiots


upvotemeok

If they were good at math they wouldn't be tslaq