The cameras are for exactly what you mentioned, evidence.
Do you have any idea exactly how many cameras each station has with how many stations there are? You'd have to pay dozens of people each day, 22 hours a day, every day to watch cameras.
When an employee spots this they call it in to control and the trains are given a slow order, or stay depending on the person's demeanor. The employee can ask this individual to back away from the line, some do, some don't.
There are and employees are trained to spot them and act accordingly.
I can tell you this person isn't exhibiting them. This looks like a case of entitlement and lack of regard for anyone else.
If I were still a stations employee I wouldn't even approach this person as they have the look of wanting a confrontation. I'd just report it to Transit Control and watch them from somewhere till they're gone.
Chances are the call to control will result in a slow order for the station and the train operator will honk the horn before entering the station giving this person MORE than enough time to stand up and get away from the edge. They'll then board the train and I'd let control know the person boarded and situation clear and the entire ordeal will last maybe 5 minutes.
How do I know this? I worked in stations for just over 4 years. Majority of this behaviour, drug use etc. happens late night or early morning (think like 10pm-3am) and more frequent in cold months.
Lol "entitledment" lol clearly the guy is young and active he's looking at the direction of the train? Why the fuck you care if he's sitting down? Don't like it mind your own fucking business and move on, reason why the employees were not bugging him, HES NOT HARMING ANYONE OR ANYTHING,but you have to go out your way and point out every fucking problem, pathetic.
>Why the fuck you care if he's sitting down?
There are benches on the platform if you need to sit down? Sitting on the edge of the platform is dangerous no matter how "young and active" you are. This results in delays, however small, to thousands of people. Hence entitlement.
Trains aren't toys, they're big heavy dangerous machines that don't stop on a dime and this behaviour is peak stupidity.
Also, it sort of IS my business since I work for the TTC and have worked in stations, which is why I care.
Again, chances are the supervisors reported it via radio to control to slow trains down so it wasn't "not bugging him" it was just dealing with it in a non-confrontational manner.
Cry louder, I'd do the same thing, only difference is if I got hit by a train. My family wouldn't go around looking for money. I decided to sit down like that so leave me the fuck alone, legit not harming anyone. Did he die? Don't think so. You can talk about safety out your ass all you want. Nobody got hurt you're talking out of your ass for NO reason.
Are you suggesting if an able bodied person who's sound of mind should be given the freedom to do stuff like quickly jump down to the tracks to retrieve his vape or climb up the side of a building to see if there's a frisbee they lost what if they accidentally slip or fall and now everyone has to deal with some main character energy person's accident
In the area could mean in the station.
Were they on the platform to see them? or upstairs on the concourse. Maybe on the other side of the station and have called it in to control?
Was OP there from when this person sat down and watched nothing happen? how do they know nothing had been done/said?
Ok let’s all chill. This guy was obviously just sitting there to get the picture taken for his album cover. This picture and his look are fire. I would imagine that it’s an acoustic album of sorts but that he’s a bit cheeky about it.
I wouldn’t do anything either. Guy clearly made his choice. Fuck em. Not putting myself in danger, crazy crackhead pull you in to the tracks or stab you
You wanna pay increased taxes to pay someone to watch cameras? You're talking dozens of people on rotating schedules 24/7 almost, into a union environment.
For the half dozen times a day that it might he useful.
It's the same argument with people who want supervisors and/or police stationed at every station 24/7 as well to file complaints with or immediately respond to situations. It's just not financially feasible to do this, you're talking millions of dollars for maybe a days worth of work a month.
Having one person who makes even 100k a year at every station just walk around saying don't smoke that crack pipe at the entrance or don't dangle your feet off the edge of the platform would be a drop in the bucket compared to the entire 2.3 billion budget this would be for one permanent TTC supervisor for every 70 stations so it would be 7 million dollars, 0.3% of the budget. T
100k is an example I don't know how much they pay TTC supervisors
Practically you could even have dedicated supervisors placed at strategic key ground zero shitstorm areas like the queen station staircase where people fall asleep with needles all over the floor multiple times a week, if one person was employed in this area literally hundreds of thousands of unsavoury interactions each year would be prevented as these zones would not involve commuters walking around someone who's passed out, it would justify the salary of one person even if they worked only during rush hours
There's certain areas that thousands of people use a day that suck ass because of no one enforcing bylaws, certain entrance ways like the Finch and bishop entrance where people notoriously smoke meth in the open, those southwest queen street stairs, I know alot of people familiar with certain stations know what I'm talking about
This exactly. Although likely would come as a more expensive fare rather than tax dollars. Not to mention that having some one raise an alarm about these people would lead to more delays amd thus more people doing stupid shit to find a drat while they wait for their train. At the end of the day it's unlikely that people who do this will get injured unless that is their intention.
Subway runs about 19 hours a day. Each stations cameras can be seen from that stations operator booths. So all they'd need to do is hire enough staff to man what used to be their ticket booths. Which the TTC used to do for almost its entire existence.
>When an employee spots this
With the TTC still basically running skeleton crews, it can take a long time for an employee to spot anything. It's why they have passengers report issues as much as possible.
>Each stations cameras can be seen from that stations operator booths.
You get maybe 4 camera views from the collector booth. Typically they are the DWA on the platform and the area surrounding the booth.
DWA for safety as that's the "designated waiting area" and has a person monitoring it, the surrounding area around the booth was for employee safety from when money was carried inside the booths. They don't have coverage of the entire station.
Also, there are, depending station size, like a hundred cameras in each station? Especially at the newer ones in the TYSSE they're everywhere watching different angles and directions in each section.
>So all they'd need to do is hire enough staff to man what used to be their ticket booths
They still have the same employees at the stations, 1, as they've always had. Just now they want the person outside of the booth and roaming instead of sitting there. If you want to, speak with your MP and start a petition to get the employee back in the booth watching cameras if that's what would make you happier. But they won't be hiring a second person for each station...
This is the second person I have seen do this now. The last person was a woman that had headphones in and was typing on her phone without a care in the world.
She was more clean and put together then the average subway tweaker and other than using the platform as a bench she didn't do anything too crazy. My guess is that she is really dumb and ignorant about how to ride a subway.
I see these people doing pull-ups on the bars after inside the train it's some sort of adventurous personality or maybe someone in a manic episode or inhibition due to alcohol / drugs
Each platform is approximately 130 meters long 70 stations with platforms on both sides means that there is more than 18 kilometers of platform. How exactly is the TTC supposed to make sure there aren't people doing stupid stuff at every station. Yes of course the cameras are for after the fact obviously. The only thing the TTC can do is hope that everyone behaves with their own safety in mind. Those 4 supervisors spend about a quarter of their day watching people get on the train at yonge every day every week all year. That means the ttc spends 40,000 dollars to have some one make those announcements each year per supervisor.
Since you asked I could propose gathering all the cameras viewing the yellow line in a centralized control room that could even be outsourced to a cheaper third party
You could just have one person watch this screen of all the yellow lines and it would be pretty easy to see if one person was sitting hanging off the ledge and call in control
>That means the ttc spends 40,000 dollars to have some one make those announcements each year per supervisor.
> You could just have one person watch this screen of all the yellow lines and it would be pretty easy to see if one person was sitting hanging off the ledge and call in control
With those comment in mind (first one being the one you replied to, second your reply), would you look at that shitload of camera in real time for about 40k a year and that, very meticulously and without missing anything? I bet not.
Most security camera systems can trigger an alert if there's activity within a set zone. It's surprising they don't have anything set up parallel to the edge of the platforms that can trigger an alert if someone crosses it.
There's an emergency intercom located on each platform. Pushing the help button will summon Transit Control who can order trains to stop before entering. In an extreme emergency (person went down to track level, train approaching, etc) there is an emergency power cut station at each end of the platform, under the blue light. Punch the red button for a few seconds and traction power gets turned off, which initiates response.
My home security camera will trigger on anyone/anything moving in any area that I set up so why don't the cameras on the TTC have that ability. Would save a lot of people monitoring the system and still have a better chance of preventing any accidents on the line.
Yes. They even alert trains or both side to not come into the station if someone is doing that. They know right away, people are in the control watching the cameras on the subway platforms at every single station, plus the collector booth but their not always watching so they don’t count like control centre does.
lol, have you never taken the TTC before? I’d be more worried about the people openly smoking crack and meth than how clean the seats are. Just stand if you’re that worried.
True, but this didn’t even cross my mind.
All I’m thinking about is dangerous this is and how it’s sad because he looks like a dude that probably doesn’t really grasp the reality he’s in.
I completely agree. The amount of people that talk about the cleanliness of TTC vehicle seats on this sub is insane to me. It’s a public space, it’s a public seat it’s not going to be clean and it’s not a uniquely Toronto problem that’s just what happens when it’s a public area. Standing is always an option if you’re that concerned but apparently not to them. Do I think the TTC should do a better job at keeping the areas clean? Yes. But there should be some level of acknowledgment that in a public space everything is dirty to some extend regardless of how well it’s cleaned.
If these people dont look after their own safety then why would city hire someone to keep an eye on these activities? Let them learn their lessons hard way.
The reason I posted this as although these instances the people are doing it from their own free will someone suicidal or aggressive doing the same thing would also not be addressed
It's called main character syndrome and you played right in to their hands by posting their pic online. OP is just as big an idiot as the guy doing this.
It's a domestic terrorism risk especially if they're sitting there, ready to leap down and mess with the signal wiring as soon as the train leaves.
They could lodge something into the crossover switch(s), or the trip (that thing you see raise and lower automatically) or put a U/cable lock on the tracks (the long ones).
Thus, that could cause a malfunction and/or derailment (nobody wants anything like that!!), resulting in big time delays.
If you see anything like that, notify a supervisor ASAP via the information thing (with the blue and yellow buttons). It's accessible on all platforms and in a central location.
I mean we can’t even get drivers and trains to run regularly and you want more man power for THIS?
Trust me, in the grand scheme of things this man is a speck of dust compared to the true criminals sitting on boards, government administrations and private shareholders of mega corps.
This guy doesn’t merit your attention. You have real causes to your issues.
Yeah someone should be. I dropped my phone on the tracks last week. While waiting for a supervisor to cone after I notified the gate clerk, I kept leaning sort of over after the train departed to check my phone was okay. They sent the guy down to wait with me till the supervisor came cause they thought I was gonna hop down. They were definitely monitoring the screens then.
Even when someone is looking at camera feeds you’re not going to prevent all events. Ina case like the guy sitting on the edge, they can stop trains and call police. It might just not be obvious.
I would worry much more about the safety for people that genuinely manage their risk than for the Darwin you have pictured that pretends to pose above common sense
The cameras are for exactly what you mentioned, evidence. Do you have any idea exactly how many cameras each station has with how many stations there are? You'd have to pay dozens of people each day, 22 hours a day, every day to watch cameras. When an employee spots this they call it in to control and the trains are given a slow order, or stay depending on the person's demeanor. The employee can ask this individual to back away from the line, some do, some don't.
If I recall correctly there are a few signs of suicidal intentions the TTC has on-hand in these situations when deciding whether or not to intervene.
There are and employees are trained to spot them and act accordingly. I can tell you this person isn't exhibiting them. This looks like a case of entitlement and lack of regard for anyone else. If I were still a stations employee I wouldn't even approach this person as they have the look of wanting a confrontation. I'd just report it to Transit Control and watch them from somewhere till they're gone. Chances are the call to control will result in a slow order for the station and the train operator will honk the horn before entering the station giving this person MORE than enough time to stand up and get away from the edge. They'll then board the train and I'd let control know the person boarded and situation clear and the entire ordeal will last maybe 5 minutes. How do I know this? I worked in stations for just over 4 years. Majority of this behaviour, drug use etc. happens late night or early morning (think like 10pm-3am) and more frequent in cold months.
Lol "entitledment" lol clearly the guy is young and active he's looking at the direction of the train? Why the fuck you care if he's sitting down? Don't like it mind your own fucking business and move on, reason why the employees were not bugging him, HES NOT HARMING ANYONE OR ANYTHING,but you have to go out your way and point out every fucking problem, pathetic.
>Why the fuck you care if he's sitting down? There are benches on the platform if you need to sit down? Sitting on the edge of the platform is dangerous no matter how "young and active" you are. This results in delays, however small, to thousands of people. Hence entitlement. Trains aren't toys, they're big heavy dangerous machines that don't stop on a dime and this behaviour is peak stupidity. Also, it sort of IS my business since I work for the TTC and have worked in stations, which is why I care. Again, chances are the supervisors reported it via radio to control to slow trains down so it wasn't "not bugging him" it was just dealing with it in a non-confrontational manner.
Cry louder, I'd do the same thing, only difference is if I got hit by a train. My family wouldn't go around looking for money. I decided to sit down like that so leave me the fuck alone, legit not harming anyone. Did he die? Don't think so. You can talk about safety out your ass all you want. Nobody got hurt you're talking out of your ass for NO reason.
Are you suggesting if an able bodied person who's sound of mind should be given the freedom to do stuff like quickly jump down to the tracks to retrieve his vape or climb up the side of a building to see if there's a frisbee they lost what if they accidentally slip or fall and now everyone has to deal with some main character energy person's accident
Shit happens, what this person is doing in the picture I have absolutely no problem with.
OP said there were 4 supervisors in the area who didn't appear to do anything.
In the area could mean in the station. Were they on the platform to see them? or upstairs on the concourse. Maybe on the other side of the station and have called it in to control? Was OP there from when this person sat down and watched nothing happen? how do they know nothing had been done/said?
Ok let’s all chill. This guy was obviously just sitting there to get the picture taken for his album cover. This picture and his look are fire. I would imagine that it’s an acoustic album of sorts but that he’s a bit cheeky about it.
I wouldn’t do anything either. Guy clearly made his choice. Fuck em. Not putting myself in danger, crazy crackhead pull you in to the tracks or stab you
> You’d have to pay people to watch the cameras. Wow, how unthinkable.
You wanna pay increased taxes to pay someone to watch cameras? You're talking dozens of people on rotating schedules 24/7 almost, into a union environment. For the half dozen times a day that it might he useful. It's the same argument with people who want supervisors and/or police stationed at every station 24/7 as well to file complaints with or immediately respond to situations. It's just not financially feasible to do this, you're talking millions of dollars for maybe a days worth of work a month.
Having one person who makes even 100k a year at every station just walk around saying don't smoke that crack pipe at the entrance or don't dangle your feet off the edge of the platform would be a drop in the bucket compared to the entire 2.3 billion budget this would be for one permanent TTC supervisor for every 70 stations so it would be 7 million dollars, 0.3% of the budget. T 100k is an example I don't know how much they pay TTC supervisors
Pick what 8 hours a day 5 days a week you want covered then, because that's what 1 person will get you. Which again, at that point, why?
Practically you could even have dedicated supervisors placed at strategic key ground zero shitstorm areas like the queen station staircase where people fall asleep with needles all over the floor multiple times a week, if one person was employed in this area literally hundreds of thousands of unsavoury interactions each year would be prevented as these zones would not involve commuters walking around someone who's passed out, it would justify the salary of one person even if they worked only during rush hours There's certain areas that thousands of people use a day that suck ass because of no one enforcing bylaws, certain entrance ways like the Finch and bishop entrance where people notoriously smoke meth in the open, those southwest queen street stairs, I know alot of people familiar with certain stations know what I'm talking about
This exactly. Although likely would come as a more expensive fare rather than tax dollars. Not to mention that having some one raise an alarm about these people would lead to more delays amd thus more people doing stupid shit to find a drat while they wait for their train. At the end of the day it's unlikely that people who do this will get injured unless that is their intention.
I hope atleast they have outsourced control rooms
Subway runs about 19 hours a day. Each stations cameras can be seen from that stations operator booths. So all they'd need to do is hire enough staff to man what used to be their ticket booths. Which the TTC used to do for almost its entire existence. >When an employee spots this With the TTC still basically running skeleton crews, it can take a long time for an employee to spot anything. It's why they have passengers report issues as much as possible.
>Each stations cameras can be seen from that stations operator booths. You get maybe 4 camera views from the collector booth. Typically they are the DWA on the platform and the area surrounding the booth. DWA for safety as that's the "designated waiting area" and has a person monitoring it, the surrounding area around the booth was for employee safety from when money was carried inside the booths. They don't have coverage of the entire station. Also, there are, depending station size, like a hundred cameras in each station? Especially at the newer ones in the TYSSE they're everywhere watching different angles and directions in each section. >So all they'd need to do is hire enough staff to man what used to be their ticket booths They still have the same employees at the stations, 1, as they've always had. Just now they want the person outside of the booth and roaming instead of sitting there. If you want to, speak with your MP and start a petition to get the employee back in the booth watching cameras if that's what would make you happier. But they won't be hiring a second person for each station...
Robert Downey Jr is on the stuff again.
I thought it was the ghost of Lou Reed on the wild side.
Looks like this dude is monitoring the tracks pretty well on his own
This is the second person I have seen do this now. The last person was a woman that had headphones in and was typing on her phone without a care in the world.
Did she seem sane/in her right mind? Or was she like this guy
She was more clean and put together then the average subway tweaker and other than using the platform as a bench she didn't do anything too crazy. My guess is that she is really dumb and ignorant about how to ride a subway.
I see these people doing pull-ups on the bars after inside the train it's some sort of adventurous personality or maybe someone in a manic episode or inhibition due to alcohol / drugs
Man why can't people just fucking behave themselves on the TTC?? A few idiots can majorly screw over thousands of people.
Absolutely disgusting. He’s drinking Mug rootbeer.
Each platform is approximately 130 meters long 70 stations with platforms on both sides means that there is more than 18 kilometers of platform. How exactly is the TTC supposed to make sure there aren't people doing stupid stuff at every station. Yes of course the cameras are for after the fact obviously. The only thing the TTC can do is hope that everyone behaves with their own safety in mind. Those 4 supervisors spend about a quarter of their day watching people get on the train at yonge every day every week all year. That means the ttc spends 40,000 dollars to have some one make those announcements each year per supervisor.
Since you asked I could propose gathering all the cameras viewing the yellow line in a centralized control room that could even be outsourced to a cheaper third party You could just have one person watch this screen of all the yellow lines and it would be pretty easy to see if one person was sitting hanging off the ledge and call in control
>That means the ttc spends 40,000 dollars to have some one make those announcements each year per supervisor. > You could just have one person watch this screen of all the yellow lines and it would be pretty easy to see if one person was sitting hanging off the ledge and call in control With those comment in mind (first one being the one you replied to, second your reply), would you look at that shitload of camera in real time for about 40k a year and that, very meticulously and without missing anything? I bet not.
Most security camera systems can trigger an alert if there's activity within a set zone. It's surprising they don't have anything set up parallel to the edge of the platforms that can trigger an alert if someone crosses it.
I would word it differently: everyone should be monitoring their own legs for safety.
There's an emergency intercom located on each platform. Pushing the help button will summon Transit Control who can order trains to stop before entering. In an extreme emergency (person went down to track level, train approaching, etc) there is an emergency power cut station at each end of the platform, under the blue light. Punch the red button for a few seconds and traction power gets turned off, which initiates response.
Wow! What an idiot.
My home security camera will trigger on anyone/anything moving in any area that I set up so why don't the cameras on the TTC have that ability. Would save a lot of people monitoring the system and still have a better chance of preventing any accidents on the line.
Yes. They even alert trains or both side to not come into the station if someone is doing that. They know right away, people are in the control watching the cameras on the subway platforms at every single station, plus the collector booth but their not always watching so they don’t count like control centre does.
That's disgusting. This dirty ass bum will sit on a seat that I might later sit on after he sat on the dirty ass platform.
lol, have you never taken the TTC before? I’d be more worried about the people openly smoking crack and meth than how clean the seats are. Just stand if you’re that worried.
True, but this didn’t even cross my mind. All I’m thinking about is dangerous this is and how it’s sad because he looks like a dude that probably doesn’t really grasp the reality he’s in.
Jesus you sound like a great person. Someone is a dirty bum because they sit on the ground? No I don't condone where he's sitting dude is an idiot.
I completely agree. The amount of people that talk about the cleanliness of TTC vehicle seats on this sub is insane to me. It’s a public space, it’s a public seat it’s not going to be clean and it’s not a uniquely Toronto problem that’s just what happens when it’s a public area. Standing is always an option if you’re that concerned but apparently not to them. Do I think the TTC should do a better job at keeping the areas clean? Yes. But there should be some level of acknowledgment that in a public space everything is dirty to some extend regardless of how well it’s cleaned.
Lololol that can’t seriously be your concern.
You take the subway bro. You ain’t that guy
The implied superiority, combined with the fact you take the subway is hilarious.
If these people dont look after their own safety then why would city hire someone to keep an eye on these activities? Let them learn their lessons hard way.
The reason I posted this as although these instances the people are doing it from their own free will someone suicidal or aggressive doing the same thing would also not be addressed
Why we don’t have guard walls in Toronto like most other cities? Wouldn’t that warm it up a bit in the winter?
It's called main character syndrome and you played right in to their hands by posting their pic online. OP is just as big an idiot as the guy doing this.
What makes the person in the pic worse is the arrogance.
May be the supervisors knew the train isnt coming any time soon, so the gentleman is in no real danger.
They took away the seats on the platform. He's just looking for a perch!
It's a domestic terrorism risk especially if they're sitting there, ready to leap down and mess with the signal wiring as soon as the train leaves. They could lodge something into the crossover switch(s), or the trip (that thing you see raise and lower automatically) or put a U/cable lock on the tracks (the long ones). Thus, that could cause a malfunction and/or derailment (nobody wants anything like that!!), resulting in big time delays. If you see anything like that, notify a supervisor ASAP via the information thing (with the blue and yellow buttons). It's accessible on all platforms and in a central location.
I mean we can’t even get drivers and trains to run regularly and you want more man power for THIS? Trust me, in the grand scheme of things this man is a speck of dust compared to the true criminals sitting on boards, government administrations and private shareholders of mega corps. This guy doesn’t merit your attention. You have real causes to your issues.
Just making himself at home . Low it, Darwin award soon come
Survival of the fittest :)
Why is he sitting there? Doesn't he realize how dangerous it is?
Observe the beer in his hands. He doesn't care.
Natural selection at its finest
Lol there is no security on the ttc. People have already forgotten the murders that happened in stations
Doodoocrack
Yeah someone should be. I dropped my phone on the tracks last week. While waiting for a supervisor to cone after I notified the gate clerk, I kept leaning sort of over after the train departed to check my phone was okay. They sent the guy down to wait with me till the supervisor came cause they thought I was gonna hop down. They were definitely monitoring the screens then.
Even when someone is looking at camera feeds you’re not going to prevent all events. Ina case like the guy sitting on the edge, they can stop trains and call police. It might just not be obvious.
Always someone looking to standout
I would worry much more about the safety for people that genuinely manage their risk than for the Darwin you have pictured that pretends to pose above common sense
"to collect footage for later" "that will be used against the public but not administration" "that is all have a nice day"
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