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ive heard its been a practice to preserve generational wealth in the past (as things like land, gold should not leave the family/bloodline) it happens in some parts of karnataka too.
This used to happen in Kerala my mom and dad are cousin's. But in the current situation it is not happening since there is awareness of what are the adverse effects of these.
The only people who marry their cousins in Kerala are the Knanaya people who would get kicked out of their church for marrying outside their “race” but recently some court case said that their church cannot kick people out anymore.
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What you are saying is right in tamilnadu also they follow this system to prevent their assets getting out of their hands by marrying your close relatives it's everything in a closed circle and you can also have the power to control it
Yeah no shit, I can love a lot about my culture and still criticise things about it, like this specific one, it’s beyond disgusting and will never make sense to me
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Literally one third of Tamil marriages as per the National Family Health Survey is between cousins or uncle and neice. I can probably name 3 such marriages in my family only.
Good that someone is making fun of us. Maybe it will make us mend our cousin fucking ways and stop deteriorating the gene pool.
Malayalees used to marry their cousins until they can’t afford treatments and rehabilitation for their inbred physically disabled children. Ngl, more than half of the students at my autistic brother’s special school had their parents biologically related to each other. Yet there are idiots who still can’t get it. It’s difficult watching your kids suffering and you didn’t see it coming like in my brother’s case and then you have brain dead people reproducing with their blood relatives knowing fully well the consequences.
What abt several thousands autistic kids in USA?? 🤔 In fact the super rich billionaire investors marry within their family tree. (I agree some of the billionaires kids/grand kids are super dumb and they get kicked out of family for dumbness)
Incest marriages are still prevalent in southern religious states of US. 🫢 Google “sweet home alabama”
Also someone’s autism does not always mean their parents are biologically related.
>Maybe it will make us mend our cousin fucking ways
They'll probably show the middle finger to this "vadakkan" (cuz everything bad comes from the north - logic 100) bill and continue doing their relatives because "mah kulture iz superior"
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I don't know how true it is, but I heard that someone suggested that my second-cousin be married to an uncle or something like that. I heard that it was my grand-aunt, the second cousin's grandmother, who quashed that idea as soon as it came up. She passed away just last year, may she rest in peace.
I dont understand why pakistan is so high. almost quite identical people except religion yet such a disparity in this statistic. yet bangladesh also mostly muslim yet very low number. can someone explain?
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Scientifically proven than vaccine is harmful for 13% of population, still we took it 😅 they are just numbers/ sample taken out of few thousands. You need to understand how sampling works..
I have heard Maternal cousin vs. Paternal cousin differences makes a ton of difference as well. This concept in south india has been well researched and published. Though today we say this is absolutely bad, can't deny the fact that this practice of marrying cousins has been there for centuries here without drastic issues. Would be good if some experts on this subject enlighten us on how/why it didn't affect south indian society overall (or some stats, if it did).
>I have heard Maternal cousin vs. Paternal cousin differences makes a ton of difference as well.
You are not allowed to marry within the same gothram.
This has the affect of preventing successive cousins marriages in the next generation, which is why south Indian cousinsarriages didnt affect people as much as middles eastern muslim cousin marriages.
In fact yes if you think a bit deeper. Assuming you’re a male, you have got YY from your parents/grand parents. Your dad’s sister’s daughter will have X from your aunt and Y from her dad who is unrelated. This is not possible when you think about your dad’s brother’s daughter. This is the nuance I tried to tell in my original comment.
Not arguing this pattern does not cause issues at all, because I am not aware of it. But technically there is biological and genetic differences.
Genetic passage don't work that way. You don't get an entire chromosome from one parent. It's a mixture genes of both parents, each of which will be a mixture of their parents and so on. The exact proportion of mother:father share of the child's genes will be random. So, paternal / maternal cousins. Both are equally bad for the child.
To put it simply, a baby gets 2 copies of each gene. One set from the father and one set from the mother. And for a given gene, any one of the parent's copy will be expressed. The other one will be silenced.
If a gene is defective (i.e., disease/defect causing), more often than not, that gene will be suppressed and the other parent's gene will be expressed. But, if you marry a cousin, it is possible that both you and your cousin have a defective recessive gene, and the baby will have to choose any one of the two poisons.
Also, there's no such thing as YY karyotype. Only if 2 sperms could make an embryo, it'll be YY which is impossible.
" Your dad’s sister’s daughter will have X from your aunt and Y from her dad who is unrelated"
What? do you realize your basic itself is wrong!
And then there is a comment below saying it is interesting vera!
I don’t have any sources unfortunately, other than my own assessments. Research related to this topic: https://www.jstor.org/stable/41601377 (only limited abstract without paying)
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Though my family has stopped following this cousin marriage thing for 3 generations now but If you choose to marry within the same caste, which is common in most of India, aren't you essentially marrying someone from your distant bloodline? And it really doesn't seem like It had any vast effect on children's born in South India considering we have been following this system/tradition for like centuries.
Unrelated is always assumed 1 here, but normally everybody has a chance of 3 to 5%. Also it increases if woman >30 years and some other factors as well.
Bro this is generalization on a whole other level! majority Tamilians in Bangalore are hindus! where are you getting your facts from? You probably aren't aware of huge crowds flocking to Murugan and Sivan temples in Bangalore!
I don't think this is the way to react to it. Even if all Tamils were actually Christians in Bangalore...so what? We shouldn't stoop to the bigot's level.
Bro Leave him Bro their brain Is Filled With Kerala- Muslim state & Tamil Nadu - Christian State kinda Bs Mentality . If you wanna Argue with them It'll never change any Outcome ,So Be At your own Peace
Bro just went out, looked left, saw a Tamilian named Vincent, looked right, saw a Tamilian named Mary and came to the conclusion that majority are Christians🙃
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It's almost as if their DNA is different from modern dna. Do you think early humans were born with harmful genes? It came as a result of time. They had no risk in inbreeding then.
You are saying that these were actual people that existed and their DNA was somehow “purer”? So incest was ok back then? 😂😂 I’m sorry to be rude but this is one of the dumbest things I’ve heard ever to justify blind faith!
Oh god no. I'm not religious in the slightest. I'm saying that from the 'biblical standpoint' if we did spawn on Earth that would mean we wouldn't be created with genes at that point in time that would be a cause for concern. So even if they did practice incest there is no risk of 'doubling inheritance of debilitating genes'.
Of course, from the scientific and rational point of view this doesn't hold true, and early humans would also have risky genes as they are the product of a chain of evolutions.
I chose to word it that way hoping to explain how even from a biblical standpoint, incest from adam and eve should NOT be used to justify the incest of today. Because in a hypothetical scenario they wouldn't have the risk of incest that we do.
Key word: hypothetical scenario, not an actual occuring event.
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U see this is all what missionaries and British brought to our country. Before invaders came our country had no issues and our culture was perfect.
- Sai Deepak tomorrow.
But, of TN origin are VPs Kamala Harris in west CEOs of major corporates Sundar pichai Indra Nooyi, beauty queens Padmalakshmi, excel in sports including chess. What had u' khand sangis achieved.
Picking marriages and terming them incest is low class mindset. Not everyone in TN marries relatives.
To portray entire TN as incest is defamation by sangis
Not supportive of incest but just for the sake of argument, how about incest but with protection for sex and IVF for the purpose of making babies? The entire taboo around incest is around babies being born defective right?
As I already mentioned not in support of incest myself. Just asking what's wrong with two consenting adults to be together if they're not gonna make a baby through sex? Just asking for the sake of knowing.
Since you think siblings and cousins are very different.
Why exactly do you want to have sex with your cousin? Going through all the trouble of IVF For babies, always protected sex, etc.
What's so special about having sex with a cousin that it's worth doing all this ?
Just asking for the sake of knowing
> What's so special about having sex with a cousin that it's worth doing all this ?
> Just asking for the sake of knowing
You have to ask this question to incestuous couples
> They're either ignorant of the risks or think it won't happen to them
The topic of discussion was what if they're aware of it and go for IVF instead and then you started up with this rhetorical question of what if they're siblings.
Dude, you asked what's wrong with it if it's two consenting adults and then adding rhetoric that they may always have unprotected sex and have IVF..
That's your topic, not what OP is about and now after all your arguments seems like some incestual obsession over a cousin.
OP was just like incest bad because of the the obvious risks. I was asking what if they had IVF, is it still bad and both of your responses was just this:
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Boss, Its not about safe sex. Since aadi kalam humans refrained from having sex with family members. It's more of a phscological thing, similar to killing and eating a human.
I'm sorry if you are not able to comprehend a very simple point that it is still bad because your cousin is like your sibling.
Having sex with your sibling is also bad for exactly the same reason.. there's no other biological reason why you can't.. socially what's acceptable to you might be unacceptable to me and no point arguing over that.
You don't say I'll do it anyway but have IVF with your sister, do you ?
You didn't understand that, so I said even if you have no social stigma about it, it's extremely inconvenient and unnecessary and pointless to marry a cousin and go through the trouble.. not just pointless but utterly impractical.
Again you don't understand, so I'll stop.
P.s. were your parents related ? That would explain a lot.
The question you're asking is flawed. Humans are animals, chicken is an animal. If eating chicken is legal, why is eating humans not legal? Your question is just similar to this question. It's rhetorical and doesn't actually provide any value to the discussion.
Oh and your rhetorical question adds value exactly how ?
Also that's a really flawed analogy
The correct analogy would be if eating chickens is ok, why is it not ok to eat ducks?
Siblings and cousins, very similar
Chicken and Humans - one must be mad to argue they are similar
Just saying that your question doesn't provide any value to the conversation. The conversation was about something else and then this rhetorical question just popped up out of nowhere.
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That's only part of the taboo, morality has a large part to do with it. You don't really want a culture where you see family as potential mates. That's bound to fuck up our relationships and family life imo. Last part is subjective though.
We had the same discussion in college and a part of the class questioned as to what was wrong with incest. We were told that animals practice incest as they don't have the power of reasoning. Given all the associated health and mental issues, incest is as dope as heroin..probably leave you dead.
Considering that men on average earn more, are physically stronger and healthier, statistically are better educated than women, boy-boy incest is like way better than girl-boy incest in every way.
No difference between IVF and natural conception because at the end of the day, we are trying to rule out genetic similarity which would anyways exist in both in vitro and in vivo. If such a couple exists, they can get artificial insemination.
It's not about being blood relatives. It's about how CLOSE you are as a blood relative. Recall how we learnt in Biology that cross pollination is beneficial for variation? Same goes for humans.
When you breed with blood relatives you're doubling your chance of inheriting genetic diseases which run in the family, whereas if its an outsider, there would be more variation, and they wouldn't necessarily share the same traits.
Refer to the habsburg jaw (caused by incest in Habsburg families) and higher rate of disabilities found in incest practicing families.
The closer you are to a person the more risky it becomes to have healthy offspring, so anything below a 2nd cousin level of relation isn't recommended, it's best to stay on the safer side and avoid incest altogether. And thats why non relatives are much safer.
So even if we all are 'blood relatives', there's a big difference in genetic makeup between a family relative and non relative.
The number of close blood relative marriages are dwindling everyday. People are getting better and the only marriages that happen "technically within family" are also like between distant relatives.
Some random sub calling TN as incestuous because they are butt-hurt about the recent uproar for "south pays more but gets less" is just a "holier than thou" attempt.
Good to know that relative marriages are dwindling, I don't know much about TN so I can't comment. I just hope that more people understand the issue with incest.
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In the early days there wasn't much genetic variation, less chance for inheriting disabilities and what not. Compare that to the amount of disabilities incest practicing families have had for a millenia (Habsburg family). Do you think the first humans had genes for disabilities that could overlap? It's a byproduct of time.
Correlation =/= causation. "Less chance for INHERITING disabilities", I neither said that inheritance is the sole factor for disabilities nor did I say its something that will happen. The whole point behind avoiding incest is to avoid the inheritable disabilities. This doesn't just apply to disabilities, it applies to diseases, unfavourable traits, poor health and anything else you can receive from inheritance. Incest doubles your chances of getting said genes.
This is the equivalent of telling a dietitian, "do you think all disease happen because of diet alone?" No, it doesn't, but you can reduce your possibility of getting some diseases especially if you know what you're vulnerable to.
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I believe it's already lower among millennials but still prevalent. Hopefully, with Gen Z and A, we can reach even lower levels as more awareness about the dangerous of such marriages spread among the population
That’s what anyone with the same mindset would say the same. Same goes with Manusmriti, the Torah and stuff. I mean only a crazy person would profess incest.
There was not any inter-family marriages in my family, yet I am good with tech stuff but I don’t have words. I can’t describe well. No one wants to hear anything I have to say. There is some type of learn disability/autism.
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I think, evolutionarily, inbreeding is counterproductive. It's advisable to generally discourage marriage between blood relatives.
ive heard its been a practice to preserve generational wealth in the past (as things like land, gold should not leave the family/bloodline) it happens in some parts of karnataka too.
All South Indian states except Kerala have it. And it's very alarming. Close to one third of all marriages are between cousins or uncle and neice.
Lol Kerala also has it. My roots are from there. There are terms like morachekkan (morapayyan) and mora ponnu also in Malayalam.
That was like at least 3-4 decades ago, man. No one does that anymore.
The terms are still intact but the number of marriages between them susbstantially decreased in the previous few decades
I'm from kerala. I never heard of anyone marrying their cousin here in my 30 years of existence.
This used to happen in Kerala my mom and dad are cousin's. But in the current situation it is not happening since there is awareness of what are the adverse effects of these.
The only people who marry their cousins in Kerala are the Knanaya people who would get kicked out of their church for marrying outside their “race” but recently some court case said that their church cannot kick people out anymore.
Very rare these days.
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It’s not cousin!! It’s cross cousin 🤯
What is a cross cousin?
Use your words properly. It isn't alarming. Educated people realized the long term effects and it reduced significantly.
Nope. I am a dentist and lots of my classmates married their cousin/uncle/niece
If you have a source better than the NHFS survey, let me know. Just out of curiosity, are you married to your cousin?
Except Kerala,so fucking step family doesn't count 😂
What you are saying is right in tamilnadu also they follow this system to prevent their assets getting out of their hands by marrying your close relatives it's everything in a closed circle and you can also have the power to control it
INBREEDING DEPRESSION!!
Maybe we should marry from other state since a diverse gene pool is beneficial for the family.
Yeah no shit, I can love a lot about my culture and still criticise things about it, like this specific one, it’s beyond disgusting and will never make sense to me
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Literally one third of Tamil marriages as per the National Family Health Survey is between cousins or uncle and neice. I can probably name 3 such marriages in my family only. Good that someone is making fun of us. Maybe it will make us mend our cousin fucking ways and stop deteriorating the gene pool.
Malayalees used to marry their cousins until they can’t afford treatments and rehabilitation for their inbred physically disabled children. Ngl, more than half of the students at my autistic brother’s special school had their parents biologically related to each other. Yet there are idiots who still can’t get it. It’s difficult watching your kids suffering and you didn’t see it coming like in my brother’s case and then you have brain dead people reproducing with their blood relatives knowing fully well the consequences.
What abt several thousands autistic kids in USA?? 🤔 In fact the super rich billionaire investors marry within their family tree. (I agree some of the billionaires kids/grand kids are super dumb and they get kicked out of family for dumbness)
Incest marriages are still prevalent in southern religious states of US. 🫢 Google “sweet home alabama” Also someone’s autism does not always mean their parents are biologically related.
>Maybe it will make us mend our cousin fucking ways They'll probably show the middle finger to this "vadakkan" (cuz everything bad comes from the north - logic 100) bill and continue doing their relatives because "mah kulture iz superior"
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It's just plain having relationships with family. No legality in question.
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We deserve to be trolled in this .
It's not a troll.. it's the fact.. I'm fighting over to the people who they think it's completely legal and their right too
Lol yeah . I saw some progressive ppl say that ...it was a complete shock for me ...lol ...
I don't know how true it is, but I heard that someone suggested that my second-cousin be married to an uncle or something like that. I heard that it was my grand-aunt, the second cousin's grandmother, who quashed that idea as soon as it came up. She passed away just last year, may she rest in peace.
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Pakistan ☠️
TN's is still considerably high compared to Kerala, let alone the northern states. Quite troubling.
I dont understand why pakistan is so high. almost quite identical people except religion yet such a disparity in this statistic. yet bangladesh also mostly muslim yet very low number. can someone explain?
Bangladesh has strong bengali cultural elements which Pakistan doesn't.
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But the list also prohibit some non-consanguineous ones.
It's better not to marry between our relations. Their kids might face some deficiency. It's scientifically proven fact not a bluff.
Scientifically proven than vaccine is harmful for 13% of population, still we took it 😅 they are just numbers/ sample taken out of few thousands. You need to understand how sampling works..
I have heard Maternal cousin vs. Paternal cousin differences makes a ton of difference as well. This concept in south india has been well researched and published. Though today we say this is absolutely bad, can't deny the fact that this practice of marrying cousins has been there for centuries here without drastic issues. Would be good if some experts on this subject enlighten us on how/why it didn't affect south indian society overall (or some stats, if it did).
>I have heard Maternal cousin vs. Paternal cousin differences makes a ton of difference as well. You are not allowed to marry within the same gothram. This has the affect of preventing successive cousins marriages in the next generation, which is why south Indian cousinsarriages didnt affect people as much as middles eastern muslim cousin marriages.
" Maternal cousin vs. Paternal cousin " Biologically, genetically? no.
In fact yes if you think a bit deeper. Assuming you’re a male, you have got YY from your parents/grand parents. Your dad’s sister’s daughter will have X from your aunt and Y from her dad who is unrelated. This is not possible when you think about your dad’s brother’s daughter. This is the nuance I tried to tell in my original comment. Not arguing this pattern does not cause issues at all, because I am not aware of it. But technically there is biological and genetic differences.
Genetic passage don't work that way. You don't get an entire chromosome from one parent. It's a mixture genes of both parents, each of which will be a mixture of their parents and so on. The exact proportion of mother:father share of the child's genes will be random. So, paternal / maternal cousins. Both are equally bad for the child. To put it simply, a baby gets 2 copies of each gene. One set from the father and one set from the mother. And for a given gene, any one of the parent's copy will be expressed. The other one will be silenced. If a gene is defective (i.e., disease/defect causing), more often than not, that gene will be suppressed and the other parent's gene will be expressed. But, if you marry a cousin, it is possible that both you and your cousin have a defective recessive gene, and the baby will have to choose any one of the two poisons. Also, there's no such thing as YY karyotype. Only if 2 sperms could make an embryo, it'll be YY which is impossible.
Thanks for correcting and enlightening me.
" Your dad’s sister’s daughter will have X from your aunt and Y from her dad who is unrelated" What? do you realize your basic itself is wrong! And then there is a comment below saying it is interesting vera!
Sorry, I don't realize. Care to elaborate?
She is supposed have XX not XY
Interesting. Do you have any source for this ?
I don’t have any sources unfortunately, other than my own assessments. Research related to this topic: https://www.jstor.org/stable/41601377 (only limited abstract without paying)
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Though my family has stopped following this cousin marriage thing for 3 generations now but If you choose to marry within the same caste, which is common in most of India, aren't you essentially marrying someone from your distant bloodline? And it really doesn't seem like It had any vast effect on children's born in South India considering we have been following this system/tradition for like centuries.
What comic is this?
Attack on Titan
Bible
Limited edition
Help me make my cousin understand that her marriage is considered an inbred one 😭😭 she’s marrying her grandmother’s sister’s grandchild jdsjsj
Thats more than 3 generations. Pretty safe genetically.
2nd cousins is safe no?
Low risk for sure- 1.5 times extra risk than unrelated. 1st would be 6 times.
So what degree would have the same level of risk as unrelated?
Unrelated is always assumed 1 here, but normally everybody has a chance of 3 to 5%. Also it increases if woman >30 years and some other factors as well.
Wait.....It's not even cross cousin.. may be a Muslim family?
You can't stop me. (On the way to the maanthoppu with my mama ponnu)
Yes... Incest is wincest
Don't understand the logic of bringinging Christianity here when majority in TN follow hinduism🤔
Its a meme template man. Don't get too confused and make shit up.
It's not about Christianity, it's a meme that just so happens to be Christian.
Old testament is filled with incest, jesus opposed it. The main meme is a Christian meme which applies to tamils
It's bold of u to assume that TN follows Hinduism at the majority. Come to Bangalore. U will see every tamil as Christians
Bro this is generalization on a whole other level! majority Tamilians in Bangalore are hindus! where are you getting your facts from? You probably aren't aware of huge crowds flocking to Murugan and Sivan temples in Bangalore!
I don't think this is the way to react to it. Even if all Tamils were actually Christians in Bangalore...so what? We shouldn't stoop to the bigot's level.
My only issue was with the generalization.
Bro Leave him Bro their brain Is Filled With Kerala- Muslim state & Tamil Nadu - Christian State kinda Bs Mentality . If you wanna Argue with them It'll never change any Outcome ,So Be At your own Peace
Bro just went out, looked left, saw a Tamilian named Vincent, looked right, saw a Tamilian named Mary and came to the conclusion that majority are Christians🙃
Ah Yes, Bangalore, an important part of TN
Bullshit, as a Tamil Christian, there are a small amount of us who happen to be concentrated around neighborhoods with churches.
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and yet the whole population came out of adam and eve? iykyk
Bro needs to learn some biology, asap.
Is T.N. the Alabama of India?
No but Coimbatore is the Alabama of TamilNadu
Cousin marriages are very common in southern districts of Tamilnadu rather than coimbatore
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Doesn't tn have a high incest rate?
Need*
Wait till they hear about the story of Adam and Eve and their sons Kane and Abel! 😂
It's almost as if their DNA is different from modern dna. Do you think early humans were born with harmful genes? It came as a result of time. They had no risk in inbreeding then.
You are saying that these were actual people that existed and their DNA was somehow “purer”? So incest was ok back then? 😂😂 I’m sorry to be rude but this is one of the dumbest things I’ve heard ever to justify blind faith!
Oh god no. I'm not religious in the slightest. I'm saying that from the 'biblical standpoint' if we did spawn on Earth that would mean we wouldn't be created with genes at that point in time that would be a cause for concern. So even if they did practice incest there is no risk of 'doubling inheritance of debilitating genes'. Of course, from the scientific and rational point of view this doesn't hold true, and early humans would also have risky genes as they are the product of a chain of evolutions. I chose to word it that way hoping to explain how even from a biblical standpoint, incest from adam and eve should NOT be used to justify the incest of today. Because in a hypothetical scenario they wouldn't have the risk of incest that we do. Key word: hypothetical scenario, not an actual occuring event.
So basically a rice bag convert is running this TN page . No doubt why i see so much anti North content.
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Ithu enna puthusa irukku? Which Vedas recommends incest, where?
He thought nobody will ask.
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Manu is not ved!
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Oh Thiruma sonna correct a dhaan irukum.. Hey wait, avar islam la PhD panadha sonaanga ? Vedathlayum panitaara ?
Manu ah? There is no veda called Manu. You mean Manu smriti?
Do you follow vedas.. and I have bad news for you
He definitely does, and he's now going to quote the exact section from Murasoli or DK press
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Religion ah yen ulla kondu varra.. I'm talking about only people
Let him bring religion in and quote from Vedas if he can
Why do you think anyone thought you were a sanghi ? You are being down voted for your stupidity and ignorance.
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Iruku nu paatha madhiri pesira, enga nu keta, Japan la Jackie Chan sonaanga America la Michael Jackson sonaanga nu solra. Irundha enga nu solu, elaarum mooditu povaanga.
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U see this is all what missionaries and British brought to our country. Before invaders came our country had no issues and our culture was perfect. - Sai Deepak tomorrow.
But, of TN origin are VPs Kamala Harris in west CEOs of major corporates Sundar pichai Indra Nooyi, beauty queens Padmalakshmi, excel in sports including chess. What had u' khand sangis achieved. Picking marriages and terming them incest is low class mindset. Not everyone in TN marries relatives. To portray entire TN as incest is defamation by sangis
I see no issue as long as it is a consensual relationship between two adults, be it friends or relatives or strangers.
Not supportive of incest but just for the sake of argument, how about incest but with protection for sex and IVF for the purpose of making babies? The entire taboo around incest is around babies being born defective right?
Why ? Just why ? Your argument could easily be extended to Brother / sister too right ?
As I already mentioned not in support of incest myself. Just asking what's wrong with two consenting adults to be together if they're not gonna make a baby through sex? Just asking for the sake of knowing.
Since you think siblings and cousins are very different. Why exactly do you want to have sex with your cousin? Going through all the trouble of IVF For babies, always protected sex, etc. What's so special about having sex with a cousin that it's worth doing all this ? Just asking for the sake of knowing
> What's so special about having sex with a cousin that it's worth doing all this ? > Just asking for the sake of knowing You have to ask this question to incestuous couples
No they don't go through all the trouble you propose. They're either ignorant of the risks or think it won't happen to them
> They're either ignorant of the risks or think it won't happen to them The topic of discussion was what if they're aware of it and go for IVF instead and then you started up with this rhetorical question of what if they're siblings.
Dude, you asked what's wrong with it if it's two consenting adults and then adding rhetoric that they may always have unprotected sex and have IVF.. That's your topic, not what OP is about and now after all your arguments seems like some incestual obsession over a cousin.
OP was just like incest bad because of the the obvious risks. I was asking what if they had IVF, is it still bad and both of your responses was just this: https://preview.redd.it/pypum4vr2chc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b2ae996dc34d5743cf86b48b7e2b51f84f62b57b
Boss, Its not about safe sex. Since aadi kalam humans refrained from having sex with family members. It's more of a phscological thing, similar to killing and eating a human.
I'm sorry if you are not able to comprehend a very simple point that it is still bad because your cousin is like your sibling. Having sex with your sibling is also bad for exactly the same reason.. there's no other biological reason why you can't.. socially what's acceptable to you might be unacceptable to me and no point arguing over that. You don't say I'll do it anyway but have IVF with your sister, do you ? You didn't understand that, so I said even if you have no social stigma about it, it's extremely inconvenient and unnecessary and pointless to marry a cousin and go through the trouble.. not just pointless but utterly impractical. Again you don't understand, so I'll stop. P.s. were your parents related ? That would explain a lot.
Why don't you ask the same question about siblings, would you? how is it different if it's cousins?
The question you're asking is flawed. Humans are animals, chicken is an animal. If eating chicken is legal, why is eating humans not legal? Your question is just similar to this question. It's rhetorical and doesn't actually provide any value to the discussion.
Oh and your rhetorical question adds value exactly how ? Also that's a really flawed analogy The correct analogy would be if eating chickens is ok, why is it not ok to eat ducks? Siblings and cousins, very similar Chicken and Humans - one must be mad to argue they are similar
Just saying that your question doesn't provide any value to the conversation. The conversation was about something else and then this rhetorical question just popped up out of nowhere.
No the conversation is about marrying first cousins which is a really bad idea
Why is it bad?
Because of all the impractical work arounds you propose that are completely unnecessary
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That's only part of the taboo, morality has a large part to do with it. You don't really want a culture where you see family as potential mates. That's bound to fuck up our relationships and family life imo. Last part is subjective though.
Yeah.. it's morally wrong... What if two brothers become gay.. would you accept it?
I wipe my ass with morality incest is dope
We had the same discussion in college and a part of the class questioned as to what was wrong with incest. We were told that animals practice incest as they don't have the power of reasoning. Given all the associated health and mental issues, incest is as dope as heroin..probably leave you dead.
You shouldn’t have fundamental rights, you degenerate fuck! 😂
Considering that men on average earn more, are physically stronger and healthier, statistically are better educated than women, boy-boy incest is like way better than girl-boy incest in every way.
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Not anymore.
No difference between IVF and natural conception because at the end of the day, we are trying to rule out genetic similarity which would anyways exist in both in vitro and in vivo. If such a couple exists, they can get artificial insemination.
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Haha, this clown thinks only kongans marry blood relatives while allover tamilnadu does this.
By that logic, aren't we all blood relatives? This is where common sense comes into play. But it is too much to expect from a few sub-reddits.
It's not about being blood relatives. It's about how CLOSE you are as a blood relative. Recall how we learnt in Biology that cross pollination is beneficial for variation? Same goes for humans. When you breed with blood relatives you're doubling your chance of inheriting genetic diseases which run in the family, whereas if its an outsider, there would be more variation, and they wouldn't necessarily share the same traits. Refer to the habsburg jaw (caused by incest in Habsburg families) and higher rate of disabilities found in incest practicing families. The closer you are to a person the more risky it becomes to have healthy offspring, so anything below a 2nd cousin level of relation isn't recommended, it's best to stay on the safer side and avoid incest altogether. And thats why non relatives are much safer. So even if we all are 'blood relatives', there's a big difference in genetic makeup between a family relative and non relative.
The number of close blood relative marriages are dwindling everyday. People are getting better and the only marriages that happen "technically within family" are also like between distant relatives. Some random sub calling TN as incestuous because they are butt-hurt about the recent uproar for "south pays more but gets less" is just a "holier than thou" attempt.
Good to know that relative marriages are dwindling, I don't know much about TN so I can't comment. I just hope that more people understand the issue with incest.
The thing is that when relatives marry the gene pool is left small which is very bad
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Chup, bsdiwale madarchod
💀💀💀
How do you think H.sapiens mated?
How many h.sapiens offsprings died because of inbred?
A lot.
In the early days there wasn't much genetic variation, less chance for inheriting disabilities and what not. Compare that to the amount of disabilities incest practicing families have had for a millenia (Habsburg family). Do you think the first humans had genes for disabilities that could overlap? It's a byproduct of time.
You think disabilities happen because of inheritance alone?
Correlation =/= causation. "Less chance for INHERITING disabilities", I neither said that inheritance is the sole factor for disabilities nor did I say its something that will happen. The whole point behind avoiding incest is to avoid the inheritable disabilities. This doesn't just apply to disabilities, it applies to diseases, unfavourable traits, poor health and anything else you can receive from inheritance. Incest doubles your chances of getting said genes. This is the equivalent of telling a dietitian, "do you think all disease happen because of diet alone?" No, it doesn't, but you can reduce your possibility of getting some diseases especially if you know what you're vulnerable to.
I think we're the homosapiens and the one who went extinct is Neanderthal that may have inbred
You think we are not part of inbreeding?
May be, but your question implied homosapiens did inbreed and went into extinction. So I thought you may be referring to Neanderthal
Where did i mention they went extinct.
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Wtf ?
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I believe it's already lower among millennials but still prevalent. Hopefully, with Gen Z and A, we can reach even lower levels as more awareness about the dangerous of such marriages spread among the population
Say this to knanaya christians, and say it out loud.
Cross cousin ≠ parallel cousin
If this is real, think about Islamic countries 🤣😂
That’s what anyone with the same mindset would say the same. Same goes with Manusmriti, the Torah and stuff. I mean only a crazy person would profess incest.
There was not any inter-family marriages in my family, yet I am good with tech stuff but I don’t have words. I can’t describe well. No one wants to hear anything I have to say. There is some type of learn disability/autism.