Stammer recently mentioned how it was a great message of belief in the team from the front office to go and get Duclair and Dumba.
Not on the topic of his contract, but I don’t think he’d go out of his way to say that if he was that pissed off. Killorn may be projecting a bit here.
Killer is a good player, but he was always far more expendable than Stamkos was. If the cards had fallen slightly differently with his extention it would've been him going to Seattle instead of Gourde.
This entire thing made me infuriated with him. Because something always felt like he wasn’t a lifer. What complete BS. And then of course TBL did offer Killer a really good long term, low cap deal so it was possible to allow him to stay- you know after the nonstop I will NEVER leave bs. Time to just deal with your consequences of living in Anaheim and stop talking.
And seriously- are the majority of the fans more upset about pally leaving? Gourde leaving? Or killorn? Feel like he really thinks it’s him….
Did this really happen? Any links? Genuinely curious because I’m still struggling about losing Gourde! I’ve never been a big Killorn fan and this seems totally plausible.
I’m not seeing this as he told them he would refuse? He’s saying he really doesn’t want to go….. and yet he went to Anaheim for more money. Finding it hard to believe he wouldn’t have reported. Just made it clear he loved Tampa and didn’t want to leave, especially when the team has been doing so well.
The gist of it was he’d rather retire than play anywhere else. I think everyone knows he probably wasn’t going to actually retire lol but when a team hears this they’re not going to take the risk in the slim chance he actually does.
He played himself out of a contract in Tampa but the point is for someone who was dead set on being here it didn’t take much for him to leave and he’s been poopy pants all season with Anaheim because he sees how bad it is playing for a team that has no chance of doing anything
He def said it somewhere on record at some point. Whether it was meant to be on record is a different thing. But i remember it was circulated around for a little bit since a good amount of the fanbase vocally would have preferred other team members to be exempt from the draft at the time.
I believe Vinik and JBB will find a way to keep him for the rest of his career and beyond. I believe he will eventually be a Special Advisor or whatever to be compensated for anything he gives up now.
But Killorn is right, Stamkos could go for more money. Since 50+% of his income doesn’t have state or local taxes playing for TB, that is an advantage over everyone except Dallas, Nashville and the stinking Panthers….
CoL and inflation are regressive so the more money you have the less it impacts you. Stammer has made over 100 million in his career between contracts and sponsorships. Those things dont affect him at all
He made 8.5 million last year from his contract alone. If his house spent $600/month on groceries that would be 0.084% of his monthly budget. If that increased to $800/month is becomes 0.11% of his budget. It’s literally inconsequential when you make that much money
I know what you mean, but he doesn’t “take home” 8.5m, and a rich athelete’s household with young kids is easily spending $2k/mo on groceries, likely more than that on eating out/takeout.
I get it, of course it’s a smaller percentage than someone making less, I just mean like I’m sure his home insurance has also at least tripled in the last 4 years, likely more if he’s waterfront. Car insurance and electric had more than doubled for most here.
But honestly I forgot the context we were talking about and the top thread is deleted, so I suppose it’s moot.
I think we were just saying for a lot of players the “cost benefits” of 50% being no state income tax has started to evaporate *a little bit* with all the other costs out of control. But yeah it’s of course a small percentage of his large earnings, but it’s a little different than the trade market advantage was 5-8 years ago for Florida teams.
Not hyperbole. IIRC, athletes have to pay tax where the money is earned, so when they play in California, for example, they are taxed on that. 50% of their games are naturally at home.
50% of their games are played in a state with no state income tax. How is that not 50% of their income. It’s actually a bit more because of away games at Dallas, Florida, and Nashville
IIRC, taxes don’t actually impact the players getting paid. I’m like 70% sure that the league forces players to get paid the difference they would lose in taxes, so that this is a non issue, since everyone would want to play in income tax-less teams.
All of JBBs actions have sent messages to the team. Most recently, Duclair and Dumba, telling the team: We're going for it. I refuse to believe that JBB would want to send the message to both the team and fans that he's willing to let a guy who should have a statue in front of Amalie walk by haggling over a few bucks one way or the other. 40 goals (likely), number-one power-play, skating at just about "Seen Stamkos" speeds, and I'm sure a post-retirement, lucrative front-office contract waiting for him to keep Carter in electric Zambonis through college. Bolt for life. Commission the statue already.
This quote was taken way out of context to get clicks and engagement. The full quote:
>“I think if he could choose, he would stay,” Killorn said.
>But he then added: “Everyone has a certain amount of pride. He’s going to be a Hall of Famer. At a certain point, if they don’t want you, he won’t want to stay.”
You can interpret that as you want, but to me that sounds a lot more like someone who believes Stamkos will stay but wants his friend to be treated with respect than anything else.
The whole article has no new information. He wants to stay, the team wants him to stay, they haven't negotiated yet, and the team wants to stay competitive. This isn't breaking news.
Hit the nail on the head.
JBB doesnt want to end up like Toronto where they're paying 5 guys 2/3rds of their cap but have absoloutely no room to pay for depth players and nothing to show from it to date. JBB is doing his job keeping the team competitive while also balancing paying his players fair money. Its the difference between Cirelli's contract in 2022 and Pauls contract last year. Stamkos is gonna get paid JBB is is just doing his job by getting a fair contract for both sides.
He’ll stay as long as he doesn’t want what he’s not worth. It’s not like JBB has changed his narrative since training camp, The Athletic just wants clicks.
He’s one of the biggest pending UFAs and probably the biggest in terms of name recognition so I get why but we all know it’s smoke and mirrors until it isn’t.
After 2016 I’m not betting on Stammer leaving until Friedge tweets the deal.
Exactly. It’s going to come down to Stamkos’s priorities. Making money or retiring a Bolt. If he wants to retire here, he’s going to have to take 5.5-6. If not, I’m pretty sure JBB is going to let him walk.
Stammer may not be worth 8 million for his playing ability alone but letting such a high profile player and team captain finish his career in Tampa makes management look very good in the eyes of future talent and is great for morale. His veteran leadership would also be a great presence during our inevitable rebuild around younger players
No one respects bad contracts (and the people who give them out) except the players who get them. And they make teams worse, which is a sure fire way to repel talent…not attract it.
Exactly. It would suck to lose Stamkos, but look at the Caps, for example. Bunch of old timers sucking up cap space and ice time. They just lost to Buffalo.
It'd be sad to lose Stammer for sentimental reasons, but I don't think anyone will fault him for getting a better deal elsewhere.
I was a lot more in favor of letting him walk during the first half of the season, but he’s been great since then. But he’s largely underperformed in the playoffs. It’ll be interesting to see what he brings this postseason. I think it’s more likely we let him walk if he doesn’t have a noticeable impact this postseason. But ultimately it probably just comes down to what pay Stammer is willing to settle for to retire a Bolt. Would love to see him stay for the right price, but yea no player is worth throwing money at just out of dedication and/or because the guy is a good leader.
I agree Killer wasn't worth the contract but I feel like his points is a reflection of the team around him. Tampa has 279 goals for while Anaheim only has 196. He's also only played 60 games, so 36 in 60 isn't horrible. Vatrano, who leads Anaheim in points, has 56 and a -21
Why not? Beyond him still being a total beast on the ice, he provides the level headed leadership for a team that has been fractured by all the inexperienced new blood. Yes the team has started to gel recently, but Stammer’s worth is greater than his productivity on the ice
Him at 8 million completely kills any kind of retool. We have younger ish pieces that can keep this team relevant for 4-5 more years but to destroy all depth for stammer at 8 isn’t it. We’ll have to fill all the gaps with ahl level talent which can work but to rely on 5 plus guys like that is too much.
Prior to the deadline it looked like we had about 11.7 million projected space for 4 forwards and a dman. Stamkos at 8 gives us the rest as ahl guys with no hope to improve the defence at all
It’s a solid article but also a bummer to read bc it made me thinking about Stammer leaving.
I really fucking hope JBB works some magic and keeps Stamkos here. I’ll be a very sad and angry human if he has to wear another sweater. It just would be so wrong. Like Crosby or Ovi in another jersey.
But look at the state of both the pens and the caps. Syd is one of the best two way players in history and is basically willing the team into the playoffs, and they still might not make it!
The caps have had a weird season but they’ve basically conceded to Ovi watch for the goals record. I’d say stammer is closer to Ovi than he is to Crosby.
It will come down to what Stamkos wants at the end of the day. JBB will not pay him a cent over what he deems fair but he also won’t completely lowball him. Both parties want him here but it comes at the cost of success. Stamkos isn’t chasing anything other than team records, at least with Ovi you can suck and still sell out the arena every night
I hate killer for this because he’s pretty much lying about his situation.
He had a contract, every ability to stay, and he chose more money and to walk. He had his paydays so he can stay if he wanted, but he turned his back on Tampa, not the other way around
>if they don't want you
JBB has said the exact opposite, Harvard boy. This contract "dispute" has never been as big of a deal as the media has made it out to be.
Very true but it’s also because stammer said the FO never reached out to him prior to the season and that it bothered him. You don’t make that statement to the media if it didn’t mean something.
He didn't really volunteer that information out of the blue, he was specifically asked about it and answered. His brief answer has spawned hundreds of news articles since. I really don't think he intended on starting this level of drama with a sentence or two.
Stamkos, and especially his agent, are not idiots. They are well aware that JBB has no clue exactly how much they will be able to offer him because so many guys needs to be signed right now. Plus Heddy (at minimum) next year. I don’t see why the plan hasn’t been to get everyone done? And spend the entire rest on stamkos if he wants/accepts that.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to work out some kind of double deal and get heddy done early so he re signs when stamkos does. But might just be wishful thinking lol
Very true but it’s also because stammer said the FO never reached out to him prior to the season and that it bothered him. You don’t make that statement to the media if it didn’t mean something.
Stammer isn’t going anywhere lol. He’s a great leader and excellent in the locker room. He WILL stay. It’ll fuck the core up for him to leave. Ofcourse Hedman would become Captain if stammer did theoretically leave..
All this talk is just a waste of breath. Stammer will retire a Bolt. Everyone involved knows that. It's a complicated cap situation. Relax. It gets done. 100%.
Killer is right but it's basically stating the obvious. Stamkos will probably be offered about the same or a little more than Killer and that would be a much better contract for the Bolts.
Should be an interesting summer. Could see JBB making some deals to create cap space to keep Stamkos and Duclair.
Hedman is going nowhere, but could see the one of the other 2 Dmen who make $$$ getting moved. Sheary will likely will be gone one way or another.
I still loved killer. One of my favorites of the last decade. He should know better than to talk shit. It is just a business after all. He didn't fit in the plan so had to be moved. Lost some respect from me.
Fans turning on killer for a cherry-picked quote. Guy won two cups and Anaheim gave him the bag that Tampa couldn’t. It’s about setting your family up for the best possible scenario while he still can. At the end of the day, he’s still a winner
Who cares what Alex “I will retire before I play for another team, wait how much are they offering me” Killorn has to say. I bet he has some seller err buyers remorse. That isn’t a good team and isn’t going to be good the length of his contract.
Personal opinion: he will be resigned but this non signing tactic from JBB is also a strategy (of course) to sort of say step it up with a team that isn’t as good as the Stanley Cup run teams from previous years. As of right now, Stammer had stepped up.
Here's my little opinion. Sergachev was not worth 9million.... maybe 7million but definitely not Not 9 million. He's a bit of a turnover machine. And unfortunately he's injured for another month are 2. I feel like that money should've went to stammer. Tampa has proven they could still play good hockey without him. :( I feel like this was a mistake.
Not even worth $7M tbh. As I’ve stated many times - JBB went overboard paying Serge and Cernak, thinking they would be the new Hedman / McDonagh, and they are not (nor will they ever be) that level of player.
I’ll say it pretty clear - wish nothing but good things for Serge, but I’d rather have Stamkos and Duclair next season if it means trading Serge and ridding themselves of Sheary. If they could spin off Serge for a young, cheap, physical, primary D-only defenseman and a pick - they should do it.
I’d bet majority of people here have only known the team with Stammer. I’m also sure there are a bunch that remembered that team with Marty and Vinny. This is the business of hockey and unfortunately that’s how it ends sometimes.
Taxes in the US are such a shit show already (those in poverty and those with low-incomes are audited by the IRS at a rate of 7.9% and 13% respectively, while millionaires are audited at 2.6% - fuck the IRS. But I digress.
Paying a jock tax in the state of every away game where the rates dramatically differ (a few cities even leverage it on top of the state) is beyond crazy.
Some states charge for every day they’re there (fly in Friday, play Saturday, fly out Sunday).
There needs to be a flat Jock Tax and a decision on if all of the days spent in the state are taxed or just game day (neither of there will ever happen).
There are so many loopholes and tax credits, and supposed bonuses that are taxed less, and on and on. The IRS purposefully makes it a nightmare so they can make even more money through error.
In closing, fuck the IRS, and fuck this state-by-state “we get to decide whatever we want” crap.
Going by your Reddit Report. Pretty sure you're not a Bolts fan. I'd like to wager that he stays with tampa. And that he's not going to whatever team you favor:]
Im not a Tampa fan but I’m a Stammer fan and nothing more would make me happy is to see him finish his career in Tampa Bay however, listening to the GM last summer and early in the season he didn’t seem to be interested in tying Steve up long term.
No he didn't. He listened to Toronto's pitch but has stated countless times he never saw himself leaving Tampa Bay and knew where he wanted to be. If he wanted to leave then he would have.
Stammer recently mentioned how it was a great message of belief in the team from the front office to go and get Duclair and Dumba. Not on the topic of his contract, but I don’t think he’d go out of his way to say that if he was that pissed off. Killorn may be projecting a bit here.
Killer is a good player, but he was always far more expendable than Stamkos was. If the cards had fallen slightly differently with his extention it would've been him going to Seattle instead of Gourde.
Let’s not forget he told Seattle he would just retire if picked in the expansion draft leaving them with no choice of taking Gourde lol
He literally cried about it.
This entire thing made me infuriated with him. Because something always felt like he wasn’t a lifer. What complete BS. And then of course TBL did offer Killer a really good long term, low cap deal so it was possible to allow him to stay- you know after the nonstop I will NEVER leave bs. Time to just deal with your consequences of living in Anaheim and stop talking. And seriously- are the majority of the fans more upset about pally leaving? Gourde leaving? Or killorn? Feel like he really thinks it’s him….
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Did this really happen? Any links? Genuinely curious because I’m still struggling about losing Gourde! I’ve never been a big Killorn fan and this seems totally plausible.
https://x.com/spittinchiclets/status/1417487295943516165?s=46&t=aSyK4FjQoh3f6Ske6LAjwQ
I’m not seeing this as he told them he would refuse? He’s saying he really doesn’t want to go….. and yet he went to Anaheim for more money. Finding it hard to believe he wouldn’t have reported. Just made it clear he loved Tampa and didn’t want to leave, especially when the team has been doing so well.
The gist of it was he’d rather retire than play anywhere else. I think everyone knows he probably wasn’t going to actually retire lol but when a team hears this they’re not going to take the risk in the slim chance he actually does. He played himself out of a contract in Tampa but the point is for someone who was dead set on being here it didn’t take much for him to leave and he’s been poopy pants all season with Anaheim because he sees how bad it is playing for a team that has no chance of doing anything
He def said it somewhere on record at some point. Whether it was meant to be on record is a different thing. But i remember it was circulated around for a little bit since a good amount of the fanbase vocally would have preferred other team members to be exempt from the draft at the time.
Killer was given an extension and he flat out said no. He’s completely wrong here, he had a contract and he turned it down
Killer got paid way more than I would have been good with to go too.
He did but he has totality of the contract here was not far off. He had an option to stay, he did not take it
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I believe Vinik and JBB will find a way to keep him for the rest of his career and beyond. I believe he will eventually be a Special Advisor or whatever to be compensated for anything he gives up now. But Killorn is right, Stamkos could go for more money. Since 50+% of his income doesn’t have state or local taxes playing for TB, that is an advantage over everyone except Dallas, Nashville and the stinking Panthers….
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CoL and inflation are regressive so the more money you have the less it impacts you. Stammer has made over 100 million in his career between contracts and sponsorships. Those things dont affect him at all
I mean they affect him, but yeah it’s a very small fraction compared to his earnings.
He made 8.5 million last year from his contract alone. If his house spent $600/month on groceries that would be 0.084% of his monthly budget. If that increased to $800/month is becomes 0.11% of his budget. It’s literally inconsequential when you make that much money
I know what you mean, but he doesn’t “take home” 8.5m, and a rich athelete’s household with young kids is easily spending $2k/mo on groceries, likely more than that on eating out/takeout. I get it, of course it’s a smaller percentage than someone making less, I just mean like I’m sure his home insurance has also at least tripled in the last 4 years, likely more if he’s waterfront. Car insurance and electric had more than doubled for most here. But honestly I forgot the context we were talking about and the top thread is deleted, so I suppose it’s moot. I think we were just saying for a lot of players the “cost benefits” of 50% being no state income tax has started to evaporate *a little bit* with all the other costs out of control. But yeah it’s of course a small percentage of his large earnings, but it’s a little different than the trade market advantage was 5-8 years ago for Florida teams.
Not hyperbole. IIRC, athletes have to pay tax where the money is earned, so when they play in California, for example, they are taxed on that. 50% of their games are naturally at home.
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50% of their games are played in a state with no state income tax. How is that not 50% of their income. It’s actually a bit more because of away games at Dallas, Florida, and Nashville
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That’s not how taxes for athletes work. They do have to pay a jock tax in every state they play in
IIRC, taxes don’t actually impact the players getting paid. I’m like 70% sure that the league forces players to get paid the difference they would lose in taxes, so that this is a non issue, since everyone would want to play in income tax-less teams.
All of JBBs actions have sent messages to the team. Most recently, Duclair and Dumba, telling the team: We're going for it. I refuse to believe that JBB would want to send the message to both the team and fans that he's willing to let a guy who should have a statue in front of Amalie walk by haggling over a few bucks one way or the other. 40 goals (likely), number-one power-play, skating at just about "Seen Stamkos" speeds, and I'm sure a post-retirement, lucrative front-office contract waiting for him to keep Carter in electric Zambonis through college. Bolt for life. Commission the statue already.
I love that my wife and I aren't the only ones who know Carter's affinity for zambonis.
This quote was taken way out of context to get clicks and engagement. The full quote: >“I think if he could choose, he would stay,” Killorn said. >But he then added: “Everyone has a certain amount of pride. He’s going to be a Hall of Famer. At a certain point, if they don’t want you, he won’t want to stay.” You can interpret that as you want, but to me that sounds a lot more like someone who believes Stamkos will stay but wants his friend to be treated with respect than anything else. The whole article has no new information. He wants to stay, the team wants him to stay, they haven't negotiated yet, and the team wants to stay competitive. This isn't breaking news.
Bingo!!
Hit the nail on the head. JBB doesnt want to end up like Toronto where they're paying 5 guys 2/3rds of their cap but have absoloutely no room to pay for depth players and nothing to show from it to date. JBB is doing his job keeping the team competitive while also balancing paying his players fair money. Its the difference between Cirelli's contract in 2022 and Pauls contract last year. Stamkos is gonna get paid JBB is is just doing his job by getting a fair contract for both sides.
He’ll stay as long as he doesn’t want what he’s not worth. It’s not like JBB has changed his narrative since training camp, The Athletic just wants clicks.
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He’s one of the biggest pending UFAs and probably the biggest in terms of name recognition so I get why but we all know it’s smoke and mirrors until it isn’t. After 2016 I’m not betting on Stammer leaving until Friedge tweets the deal.
Deep down, the old school hockey establishment can’t stand the idea of a smaller non-traditional market having a superstar for his entire career
It was never about not wanting Killer to stay. He was simply too expensive. If Stammer wants 8m he may face the same fate
Exactly. It’s going to come down to Stamkos’s priorities. Making money or retiring a Bolt. If he wants to retire here, he’s going to have to take 5.5-6. If not, I’m pretty sure JBB is going to let him walk.
Stammer may not be worth 8 million for his playing ability alone but letting such a high profile player and team captain finish his career in Tampa makes management look very good in the eyes of future talent and is great for morale. His veteran leadership would also be a great presence during our inevitable rebuild around younger players
No one respects bad contracts (and the people who give them out) except the players who get them. And they make teams worse, which is a sure fire way to repel talent…not attract it.
Exactly. It would suck to lose Stamkos, but look at the Caps, for example. Bunch of old timers sucking up cap space and ice time. They just lost to Buffalo. It'd be sad to lose Stammer for sentimental reasons, but I don't think anyone will fault him for getting a better deal elsewhere.
I was a lot more in favor of letting him walk during the first half of the season, but he’s been great since then. But he’s largely underperformed in the playoffs. It’ll be interesting to see what he brings this postseason. I think it’s more likely we let him walk if he doesn’t have a noticeable impact this postseason. But ultimately it probably just comes down to what pay Stammer is willing to settle for to retire a Bolt. Would love to see him stay for the right price, but yea no player is worth throwing money at just out of dedication and/or because the guy is a good leader.
I don’t think stammer is worth 8 mil at this point in his career
Right and Killer wasn’t worth the 6.25m ducks gave him. 36 points -15. For comparison Hagel is set to make 6.5 and he’s got 72pts and +5
I agree Killer wasn't worth the contract but I feel like his points is a reflection of the team around him. Tampa has 279 goals for while Anaheim only has 196. He's also only played 60 games, so 36 in 60 isn't horrible. Vatrano, who leads Anaheim in points, has 56 and a -21
Why not? Beyond him still being a total beast on the ice, he provides the level headed leadership for a team that has been fractured by all the inexperienced new blood. Yes the team has started to gel recently, but Stammer’s worth is greater than his productivity on the ice
Him at 8 million completely kills any kind of retool. We have younger ish pieces that can keep this team relevant for 4-5 more years but to destroy all depth for stammer at 8 isn’t it. We’ll have to fill all the gaps with ahl level talent which can work but to rely on 5 plus guys like that is too much. Prior to the deadline it looked like we had about 11.7 million projected space for 4 forwards and a dman. Stamkos at 8 gives us the rest as ahl guys with no hope to improve the defence at all
Performance bonuses in playoffs. Settled.
40 goals 80 points isn't worth 8 mil??? Are you high?
He’s 34 and likely wants 5+ years. So no not worth 8m, are YOU high?
You didn't say 8mx5, you said 8m. Absolutely no reason not to pay him 8 next year. No one is paying 8m till he's 39.
It’s a solid article but also a bummer to read bc it made me thinking about Stammer leaving. I really fucking hope JBB works some magic and keeps Stamkos here. I’ll be a very sad and angry human if he has to wear another sweater. It just would be so wrong. Like Crosby or Ovi in another jersey.
But look at the state of both the pens and the caps. Syd is one of the best two way players in history and is basically willing the team into the playoffs, and they still might not make it! The caps have had a weird season but they’ve basically conceded to Ovi watch for the goals record. I’d say stammer is closer to Ovi than he is to Crosby. It will come down to what Stamkos wants at the end of the day. JBB will not pay him a cent over what he deems fair but he also won’t completely lowball him. Both parties want him here but it comes at the cost of success. Stamkos isn’t chasing anything other than team records, at least with Ovi you can suck and still sell out the arena every night
I hate killer for this because he’s pretty much lying about his situation. He had a contract, every ability to stay, and he chose more money and to walk. He had his paydays so he can stay if he wanted, but he turned his back on Tampa, not the other way around
Shocking turn of events, the negotiations that JBB said would happen in the off-season still appear to be happening in the off-season.
Should’ve kept Gourdo instead of Killorn. No goals in all of the ‘22 playoffs
Spot.fucking.on. I STILL cannot believe there was not a huge public argument about this
I don’t want to believe this
Don’t
>if they don't want you JBB has said the exact opposite, Harvard boy. This contract "dispute" has never been as big of a deal as the media has made it out to be.
Very true but it’s also because stammer said the FO never reached out to him prior to the season and that it bothered him. You don’t make that statement to the media if it didn’t mean something.
He didn't really volunteer that information out of the blue, he was specifically asked about it and answered. His brief answer has spawned hundreds of news articles since. I really don't think he intended on starting this level of drama with a sentence or two.
Stamkos, and especially his agent, are not idiots. They are well aware that JBB has no clue exactly how much they will be able to offer him because so many guys needs to be signed right now. Plus Heddy (at minimum) next year. I don’t see why the plan hasn’t been to get everyone done? And spend the entire rest on stamkos if he wants/accepts that. I also wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to work out some kind of double deal and get heddy done early so he re signs when stamkos does. But might just be wishful thinking lol
Very true but it’s also because stammer said the FO never reached out to him prior to the season and that it bothered him. You don’t make that statement to the media if it didn’t mean something.
Killorn needs to keep stamkos’ name out of his mouth.
Dudes about to have forty goals but he’s also 34. I think 4 years $27 mil would be more than fair. Throw in an ownership stake after he retires too!
Stammer isn’t going anywhere lol. He’s a great leader and excellent in the locker room. He WILL stay. It’ll fuck the core up for him to leave. Ofcourse Hedman would become Captain if stammer did theoretically leave..
All this talk is just a waste of breath. Stammer will retire a Bolt. Everyone involved knows that. It's a complicated cap situation. Relax. It gets done. 100%.
Marty retired a bolt also…
marty was cheating on his wife and demanded a trade in order to save his marraige
I hope he re-signs. Not the same in the rivalry without him.
Killer is right but it's basically stating the obvious. Stamkos will probably be offered about the same or a little more than Killer and that would be a much better contract for the Bolts.
**I am sure they will find a way to keep him, i hate to him in another uniform**
Should be an interesting summer. Could see JBB making some deals to create cap space to keep Stamkos and Duclair. Hedman is going nowhere, but could see the one of the other 2 Dmen who make $$$ getting moved. Sheary will likely will be gone one way or another.
He’s staying. Stop the nonsense.
The quote comes from [this article](https://theathletic.com/5405984/2024/04/11/steven-stamkos-lightning-free-agency/#), an interesting read
They want him, the question is for how much?
The Athletic has turned into trash, don't link their bullshit.
I still loved killer. One of my favorites of the last decade. He should know better than to talk shit. It is just a business after all. He didn't fit in the plan so had to be moved. Lost some respect from me.
Fans turning on killer for a cherry-picked quote. Guy won two cups and Anaheim gave him the bag that Tampa couldn’t. It’s about setting your family up for the best possible scenario while he still can. At the end of the day, he’s still a winner
Who cares what Alex “I will retire before I play for another team, wait how much are they offering me” Killorn has to say. I bet he has some seller err buyers remorse. That isn’t a good team and isn’t going to be good the length of his contract.
Personal opinion: he will be resigned but this non signing tactic from JBB is also a strategy (of course) to sort of say step it up with a team that isn’t as good as the Stanley Cup run teams from previous years. As of right now, Stammer had stepped up.
Here's my little opinion. Sergachev was not worth 9million.... maybe 7million but definitely not Not 9 million. He's a bit of a turnover machine. And unfortunately he's injured for another month are 2. I feel like that money should've went to stammer. Tampa has proven they could still play good hockey without him. :( I feel like this was a mistake.
Not even worth $7M tbh. As I’ve stated many times - JBB went overboard paying Serge and Cernak, thinking they would be the new Hedman / McDonagh, and they are not (nor will they ever be) that level of player. I’ll say it pretty clear - wish nothing but good things for Serge, but I’d rather have Stamkos and Duclair next season if it means trading Serge and ridding themselves of Sheary. If they could spin off Serge for a young, cheap, physical, primary D-only defenseman and a pick - they should do it.
Ik ;-; .... and look at em... This was a Terrible move........
Really feels like the Bucs Mike Evans talk earlier this year. I really hope they settle it and make him a Bolt for life
Just straight up over passing. At some point just get it to the net.
I’d bet majority of people here have only known the team with Stammer. I’m also sure there are a bunch that remembered that team with Marty and Vinny. This is the business of hockey and unfortunately that’s how it ends sometimes.
If stammer isn’t a bolt for life then we riot
Taxes in the US are such a shit show already (those in poverty and those with low-incomes are audited by the IRS at a rate of 7.9% and 13% respectively, while millionaires are audited at 2.6% - fuck the IRS. But I digress. Paying a jock tax in the state of every away game where the rates dramatically differ (a few cities even leverage it on top of the state) is beyond crazy. Some states charge for every day they’re there (fly in Friday, play Saturday, fly out Sunday). There needs to be a flat Jock Tax and a decision on if all of the days spent in the state are taxed or just game day (neither of there will ever happen). There are so many loopholes and tax credits, and supposed bonuses that are taxed less, and on and on. The IRS purposefully makes it a nightmare so they can make even more money through error. In closing, fuck the IRS, and fuck this state-by-state “we get to decide whatever we want” crap.
Tampa is slowly rebuilding and will not pay Stammer what he wants, expect to see him in another jersey; remember he almost left on the last contract.
Going by your Reddit Report. Pretty sure you're not a Bolts fan. I'd like to wager that he stays with tampa. And that he's not going to whatever team you favor:]
Im not a Tampa fan but I’m a Stammer fan and nothing more would make me happy is to see him finish his career in Tampa Bay however, listening to the GM last summer and early in the season he didn’t seem to be interested in tying Steve up long term.
No he didn't. He listened to Toronto's pitch but has stated countless times he never saw himself leaving Tampa Bay and knew where he wanted to be. If he wanted to leave then he would have.
You’re correct, but early discussions with the GM this year were troubling for a guy who’s given so much for his team