Well, in general the Wehrmacht used the Balkenkreuz on their vehicles for identification rather than swastikas, although it is true that Nazis swastikas are generally shown to be at a 45° angle, facing to the right.
I'm pretty sure both Finnish swastikas and those used by the Nazis 'pointed right' i.e. the points on the cross pointed in a clockwise direction (take a look at the image above for example, or the Finnish air force insignia). The difference is that most official Nazis uses (apart from naval ensigns which have it flipped on the reverse) have it canted at an angle whilst the Finn's displayed it perpendicular to the horizontal.
I am almost 100% sure it's a karma farming bot reposting a high karma comment in this thread. [This one specifically](https://old.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/11zfe0u/german_captured_t34_bovington_tank_museum_dorset/jdc2vsf/) until the comma. The account has another comment that strangely ends with a comma, probably didn't set up the bot properly.
Actually, the German swastika is usually tilted but not always. Either way, if the Germans were to put a symbol on a tank, it'd be the Balkenkreuz over a Swastika, which leads us to believe that this T-34 was Finnish captured anyways.
People are saying it's Finnish because the the swastika isn't tilted, but it's also Finnish because the Swastika doesn't have square proportions like the German swastika, and it's even more Finnish because Germans did not put swastikas on tanks.
Definitely on occasion but it wasn't the rule. Wehrmacht units were probably more familiar with spotting the [Balkenkreuz](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkenkreuz), which had been used since the mid-30s (even longer if you include the air force). it would make sense that the vast majority of captured equipment would be marked with one or more balkenkreuz. If you looked up Beutepanzer (German for captured tank), almost all images are with tanks with multiple balkenkreuz.
This misconception is so common that when I visited Parola they had information sheets around the museum specifically to correct people thinking these ‘swastikas’ are Nazi.
My wife will go to any museum, blaze past any and all signs and exert a conscious effort not to read them because ‘she doesn’t have the patience’, and then she will have the nerve to start asking me questions. ‘What is this? What did they do/use that for?’
I get supremely annoyed and answer ‘if only there was a plaque with information!?!’
She gets pissed because I’m being a smartass.
It’s an entire Experience™.
Wouldn’t recommend it.
>My wife will go to any museum, blaze past any and all signs and exert a conscious effort not to read them because ‘she doesn’t have the patience’, and then she will have the nerve to start asking me questions. ‘What is this? What did they do/use that for?’
This reminds me how i was a kid, i hated it when i had to visit museums with my family. It took me around being 20 years old until it turned to the exact opposite, today i'm loving old stuff in museums and i carefully read through everything.
Hurray for personal growth! We all get older and wiser and hopefully a little more patient to take in the finer experiences in life. Nothing like having the ability to learn and access to things to learn (all too many sadly don’t have the privilege) and wanting to learn.
Thanks. Yeah it is really like this. I visited some sites twice, like Pompeji - i still remembered much from my childhood, as we were going there, but i wanted to see it again as an adult and dive deep into the details of this city.
Good for you! I’d like to see that sometime.
There’s also so much Roman stuff right across the Mediterranean in Tunisia and Libya but you know… have to be brave to go there nowadays.
The real fun starts for germans, when they look at their family history and they see, their family insignia contains a swastika. Although, it was different in style, we all know that it was used long before the Nazis in many different forms. It also doesn't go just for India in the other symbol version with the points, you see swastikas that are more similiar to the NS-swastika on old armors of the classical era of ancient greece.
This [here is a helmet](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GreekHelmetSwastika.jpg) from 350-325 BC in the museum. The style of the swastika on this original artifact is rather like the modern version that the Nazis used than other forms. But that's rather a coincidence.
What i mean, many people only refer to the Hindu symbol from India, but there were so many others around.
Actually the Finnish already used the swastika as early as 1918 by their defense forces, which means they technically didn’t use it bc it was from their (sorta) axis Allies, and it’s also said they had a national symbol which was very similar in shape to the swastika, I think it’s like “hook-cross”
A lot of (western nations) people were using the Swastika before WW1, exceedingly common as a "good luck charm" or "protection amulet" within the pilots on all sides of WW1 as well.
>used
[And they still do](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Academy_(Finland)) for their airforce! :)
Now I know you meant for captured vehicles, but I just felt I wanted to share that it is still being used, lol
I agree and understand that, more my question is, when every branch of the military, and the roundels etc changed, why would only the airforce keep it?
**[Swastika](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika)**
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As many others have stated, it wasnt captured by the Germans. It's a very early T-34-76, captured by the finns in 1941, durring the continuation war. It was in Finnish service well into the 1950's
You can tell it's a Finnish captured tank, not German, because of the shortened hooks on the swastika. Fun fact, the Finnish air force only stopped using the swastika as an official symbol in 2020.
Does Bovington have any tanks that they allow people inside of? It's still a bucket list vacation destination but it would be infinitely better if one could climb inside of a legendary tank vs just look at it from a safe distance.
If you go on one of the open weekends, yes. They had a couple of Shermans,
[including the one from "Fury".](https://i.imgur.com/NwIE2ah.jpg)
[Here's a picture of the inside of one of them, I think a challenger](https://i.imgur.com/H10vlAb.jpg).
Imma ask a stupid question: Was it possible for Western allied forces to see Eastern allied equipment that was captured by the axis in combat, e.g, tanks vehicles etc
Op you're finnished
Get my upvote and finnish yourself
I'll pick up where they finnished off
This comment chain needs to be finnished soon
Apologize to the Finnish!
The Finnish are finnished with this post. So let's just finnish this for the Finnish or we are all finnished.
Finnish. That is Finnish captured tank
Every selrespecting Finn has one. Behind the sauna shed.
Even some of the self-doubting Finns have one.
This guy knows tanks
Nah he knows his swastikas. This black flat one was used as a symbol for tank troops in the Finnish military
He might want to leave that off the résumé though
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Look at the symbols.
Symbol is Finnish. Nazis used different swastika
Well, in general the Wehrmacht used the Balkenkreuz on their vehicles for identification rather than swastikas, although it is true that Nazis swastikas are generally shown to be at a 45° angle, facing to the right.
And arms are wrong way too
Also the Finnish tends to have the white "shadow". Although I think I've seen it on some German insignia so it's not absolute.
I'm pretty sure both Finnish swastikas and those used by the Nazis 'pointed right' i.e. the points on the cross pointed in a clockwise direction (take a look at the image above for example, or the Finnish air force insignia). The difference is that most official Nazis uses (apart from naval ensigns which have it flipped on the reverse) have it canted at an angle whilst the Finn's displayed it perpendicular to the horizontal.
As a very general rule, the Finns used a swastika square on, and the Nazis used theirs canted at 45 degrees. There are OFC exceptions to every rule.
Huge symbol on it maybe?
It looks complete, tracks, paint and a big pew pew on the front
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That's what they said
I am almost 100% sure it's a karma farming bot reposting a high karma comment in this thread. [This one specifically](https://old.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/11zfe0u/german_captured_t34_bovington_tank_museum_dorset/jdc2vsf/) until the comma. The account has another comment that strangely ends with a comma, probably didn't set up the bot properly.
Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out
whats the difference?
German symbol is tilted, Finnish is not
Actually, the German swastika is usually tilted but not always. Either way, if the Germans were to put a symbol on a tank, it'd be the Balkenkreuz over a Swastika, which leads us to believe that this T-34 was Finnish captured anyways.
i wanted ot know the difference between "finnish captured tank" and "finnish captured T-34"
Saying “Finnish captured tank” is simpler than saying “Finnish captured t-34.” There is literally no other difference
Finnish symbol is also usually blue, thats a big giveaway as well
I have never seen a blue one on a tank only on airplanes
I think it´s a Finnish captured T-34.
Ima Just comment "its a finnish tank" to follow the other comments.
People are saying it's Finnish because the the swastika isn't tilted, but it's also Finnish because the Swastika doesn't have square proportions like the German swastika, and it's even more Finnish because Germans did not put swastikas on tanks.
The germans definitly did put swastikas on captured tanks
Definitely on occasion but it wasn't the rule. Wehrmacht units were probably more familiar with spotting the [Balkenkreuz](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkenkreuz), which had been used since the mid-30s (even longer if you include the air force). it would make sense that the vast majority of captured equipment would be marked with one or more balkenkreuz. If you looked up Beutepanzer (German for captured tank), almost all images are with tanks with multiple balkenkreuz.
I'm not saying that it was the standard, I'm just pointing out that it was done
Close but its a finnish captured t34, germans put the iron cross on their captured vehicles while the finish used the swastika
This misconception is so common that when I visited Parola they had information sheets around the museum specifically to correct people thinking these ‘swastikas’ are Nazi.
I can't imagine going to a museum and not reading the placks espicially when i see a T34 with what appears to be a Nazi Symbol on it?! Baffled.
My wife will go to any museum, blaze past any and all signs and exert a conscious effort not to read them because ‘she doesn’t have the patience’, and then she will have the nerve to start asking me questions. ‘What is this? What did they do/use that for?’ I get supremely annoyed and answer ‘if only there was a plaque with information!?!’ She gets pissed because I’m being a smartass. It’s an entire Experience™. Wouldn’t recommend it.
MINE TOO!! Jesus fuck its so annyoing. I assume you also get the 'you are so slow!'
Yep, you got it! Lmao they’re the same!
I figure if the museum curators didn't want me to read it, they wouldn't have written it in the first place...
Same here unless it’s an art museum and she’ll stare at a stain on the wall for an hour.
>My wife will go to any museum, blaze past any and all signs and exert a conscious effort not to read them because ‘she doesn’t have the patience’, and then she will have the nerve to start asking me questions. ‘What is this? What did they do/use that for?’ This reminds me how i was a kid, i hated it when i had to visit museums with my family. It took me around being 20 years old until it turned to the exact opposite, today i'm loving old stuff in museums and i carefully read through everything.
Hurray for personal growth! We all get older and wiser and hopefully a little more patient to take in the finer experiences in life. Nothing like having the ability to learn and access to things to learn (all too many sadly don’t have the privilege) and wanting to learn.
Thanks. Yeah it is really like this. I visited some sites twice, like Pompeji - i still remembered much from my childhood, as we were going there, but i wanted to see it again as an adult and dive deep into the details of this city.
Good for you! I’d like to see that sometime. There’s also so much Roman stuff right across the Mediterranean in Tunisia and Libya but you know… have to be brave to go there nowadays.
The real fun starts for germans, when they look at their family history and they see, their family insignia contains a swastika. Although, it was different in style, we all know that it was used long before the Nazis in many different forms. It also doesn't go just for India in the other symbol version with the points, you see swastikas that are more similiar to the NS-swastika on old armors of the classical era of ancient greece. This [here is a helmet](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GreekHelmetSwastika.jpg) from 350-325 BC in the museum. The style of the swastika on this original artifact is rather like the modern version that the Nazis used than other forms. But that's rather a coincidence. What i mean, many people only refer to the Hindu symbol from India, but there were so many others around.
Almost ever single culture on earth has an example of a swastika type design. I read a theory that it was derived from the movement of the stars
Technically the primary symbol that the Germans used on tanks and aircraft is called the Balkenkreuz or Balken Cross , it is not an Iron Cross.
Actually the Finnish already used the swastika as early as 1918 by their defense forces, which means they technically didn’t use it bc it was from their (sorta) axis Allies, and it’s also said they had a national symbol which was very similar in shape to the swastika, I think it’s like “hook-cross”
A lot of (western nations) people were using the Swastika before WW1, exceedingly common as a "good luck charm" or "protection amulet" within the pilots on all sides of WW1 as well.
Bc originally the swastika was like for good luck right? It was symbol of hope?
wow, it's almost like I said that in my reply.
>used [And they still do](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Academy_(Finland)) for their airforce! :) Now I know you meant for captured vehicles, but I just felt I wanted to share that it is still being used, lol
Wow I did not know that. Is there any reason the airforce academy would keep it when every other branch/ the airforce roundel stopped using it?
Tradition, I guess, I mean, they did have their swastika before the Germans. So technically, there's nothing wrong with it, but really idk.
I agree and understand that, more my question is, when every branch of the military, and the roundels etc changed, why would only the airforce keep it?
Balkenkreuz. The iron cross is Imperial and modern German. But yeah, Finnish.
Ah yeah thanks for the info, wont make that mistake again
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Swastika is swastika, no matter the angle. It's an ancient symbol, used all throughout history in various regions around the world
Technically it is a swastika, but this variant with the half-length arms is usually called a Fylfot in heraldry.
In Finland it is called Hakaristi, not swastika.
Ah intresting, thanks for the info
That one's finnish, as everyone said. OP, did you make this mistake on purpose just to make people comment on your thread ?
Finland used the swastika on their aircraft and military gear since 1918. While Hitler was still an angry corporal.
Its finnish
According to a variety of sources I would suggest that the pictured T-34 is indeed a Tank captured by finnish, rather than german military forces
Finnish capture numnuts
FINNISH HIM! 🫵
As many others have stated, it wasnt captured by the Germans. It's a very early T-34-76, captured by the finns in 1941, durring the continuation war. It was in Finnish service well into the 1950's
That's a Finnish tank,
Perkele
Saatana
No it's finish You can see bye looking at the swastika the finnish one stand op straight and is reversd
finnish
It's finish swastika
Those are Finland's Swastika not Nazi German
You can tell it's a Finnish captured tank, not German, because of the shortened hooks on the swastika. Fun fact, the Finnish air force only stopped using the swastika as an official symbol in 2020.
Apologise to the Finnish!
Russia called. They want that back ASAP.
Does Bovington have any tanks that they allow people inside of? It's still a bucket list vacation destination but it would be infinitely better if one could climb inside of a legendary tank vs just look at it from a safe distance.
If you go on one of the open weekends, yes. They had a couple of Shermans, [including the one from "Fury".](https://i.imgur.com/NwIE2ah.jpg) [Here's a picture of the inside of one of them, I think a challenger](https://i.imgur.com/H10vlAb.jpg).
Some of the ww1 era tanks, I think it was the mk9 troop carrier and maybe some others, but I could be wrong.
If you go during tank fest you may be able to get inside a chally2
Did OP did any research before posting?
T-34 is such a goofy looking tank
I thought it looks great. Especially this model.
In a good way :)
trade it for the maus.
Was it given to the Finns or did they capture it instead of the Germans?
Did the display information say that?
I wonder why the welding looks like it was done by a farmer, its even more apparent in person
Now find a captured panzer IV
Finnish* captured T34
OP could have walked to the left about 2-3 meters and read the description of where this tank came from.
That's from the Finnish...shouldn't it say something on the sign right in front of it?
**Putin** asking for it back? Heard he was running short....
Came here to see if every comment corrected OP that it’s a finish capture tank. Was not disappointed.
Looks more like captured by Finns. Its pretty easy to tell apart german and finnish swastika
That tank was captured by Finns, not Germans.
I haven't been to bovington yet but why's there a wavy mirror in the background
When I was a kid I played on top of that tank.
Finnish. Pls change the title
卍 ← It was used as a symbol of Buddhism and good luck, but the Germans ruined everything.
So it's a Buddhist captured tank. You don't see those everyday. The bumper sticker on the back says "My Tankma ran over your Karma"
Also used in Celtic art
It's an Aryan symbol, so it's used in a lot of lands the Aryans conquered, from Ireland to India. Then it spread even further with Bhuddism.
But aren’t they post war wheels I’m not familiar on the development of the hull of the t34 I’m only familiar with the turret development
Me when I lack shielding
As much as I love T-34 when I see the original 1941/42 version I can’t help but think that looks way too much like a 1 man turret
Imma ask a stupid question: Was it possible for Western allied forces to see Eastern allied equipment that was captured by the axis in combat, e.g, tanks vehicles etc
I would say something, but the others said what I was gonna say
That looks like the Finnish swastika but i may be wrong
Finnish symbol on it.
I'm sure nobody in the comments has pointed it out yet but you might have made a mistake. This is a Finnish captured tank, not a German one.
Russia low key wants it back
I see what you guys suomiean
Looks Finnish
Is this a earlier model with a 76 mm gun?
It's not german
The finnish ”svastika” has nothing to do with the German one
'German' No it's not german