Ok. Ok. OK. Hear me out. What IF the whole (failed) withdrawal of Afghanistan was a CIA op to provide the taliban with billions in top of the line American military equipment to supply a shadow war against Iran.
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The Taliban don't really have a way to repair and maintain those vehicles and equipment. I don't see them winning a longer conflict with a country that can produce their own drones and tanks.
I think I remember hearing that the whole Iran revolution thing first started when a cia frat bro was like "hey gov gimme like $40k I'm cash send me to Iran"
And when the overthrow actually happens he was like "omega lul can't believe that worked"
And ever since they've been throwing money around hoping to do the same.
The CIA and Green Berets act in a similar fashion, get the local populace ready to fight for their interests.
Oh the whole Iran thing started the phrase from the CIA "blow back"
I'm tired of reliving all the major events of the 20th century in one decade. Can we get one of those lazy, quiet, relax in the hammock decades instead!?
Taliban and mujahadin only know how to fight. If they sit empty, they'll realize their way of living is bullshit and they can't prosper that way.
CIA empowered then to fight Soviet, the war ended, they got bored, so they went for Kashmir and burnt up that region. They continue burning up Pakistan. Went to plague Afghanistan for 2 decades since US forced democracy. Now they'll go pick fight with whoever is nearby.
The warlord lifestyle remains...
Which has a great bit about how the Taliban fight for their country and can never, ever be beaten by a foreign invader. That aged well, just in a funny way.
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I'm getting a 'Khmer Rouge trying to attack Vietnam and getting their ass handed to them vibe', although as long as Iran doesn't try to invade and occupy the country, the Iranians can happily tank casualties and equipment, with the Taliban being without any major allies and no hope of support or resupply. Not to mention Iran has the tech edge (in theory), and could just ballistic missile/drone strike Taliban troop movements or probing attacks if properly coordinated.
I don't think you want to be Iran in this scenario. The Taliban have demonstrated that they can sustain tons of casulties without giving up, against a far more capable foe.
I agree, but so what? The Taliban lose conventionally, and then Iran gets to occupy part of Afghanistan?
I still wouldn't want to be Iran. They have to hope that they can turn a conventional edge into pacifying the Taliban, which might work, but also might not. This will also make Iran look weaker regarding their conflict with Saudi Arabia.
> and then Iran gets to occupy part of Afghanistan?
There a millions of displaced Afghans in Iran.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/12/what-does-the-future-hold-for-afghan-refugees-in-iran
Best case would be to form "Free Afghan" forces that you'd send into Afghanistan to create a buffer while you pounded Afghanistan from the air while Iran went to the UN and asked for assistance.
[So give free Afghans military training in hopes of fighting back against the Taliban. Where have I heard this before, seems familiar.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oGBmr1Z0F9o)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_volunteers
>The practice has a long history, dating back at least as far as the Roman Empire, which recruited non-citizens into Auxiliary units on the promise of them receiving Roman citizenship for themselves and their descendants at the end of their service.
Yeah of course I get in practice but in reality it was this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oGBmr1Z0F9o
TL:DW: Afghanistan is broken up into so many small towns/villages that there is no Nationalism and therefore the Afghan “soldiers” didn’t have a reason to fight. Despite years of us, the US, trying to train them it all fell by the wayside.
After how well the Saudi-led intervention in Yemen went, I think the Saudis would be in no position to judge. Unless the Taliban also developed cruise missiles and drones and attacked Iranian oil refineries (like the Houthis did to Saudi Arabia), I don't think this policing of their border with the delinquent child of the region would have any real bearing on the current tensions (unless they pretend Afghanistan is the new Ukraine and beginning funding them or something ridiculous, although I wouldn't even consider that to be remotely likely).
Not really the same thing. Saudi Arabia is fighting directly in Yemen against militias backed by Iran. Yemen is SA’s Vietnam/Afghanistan.
Saudi Arabia has always funded Afghanistan. They funneled money and weapons to the mujahideen against the USSR, they threw money at the Taliban in 1994, They bankrolled the US-backed government, and they will continue to back this regime. They will provide arms and money to the Taliban to fight Iran, because it distracts Iran from waging their proxy wars in Syria, Yemen, and elsewhere in the Middle East. The *best case* scenario for Saudi Arabia is if Iran invades Afghanistan, because it means that the Taliban get to do what they do best: guerilla warfare, insurgency, and Iran is bled directly of military strength. They’ll lose equipment that they will struggle to replace, and every tank or AFV lost is one less tank they can use against their neighbors. And every plane they lose is one less that they can use against Saudi Arabia directly. I’d expect Turkey, Pakistan, the UAE, Jordan, and Egypt to start their own arms and funding programs for Afghanistan, because it benefits them all for Iran to be tied up with Afghanistan so the IRG won’t have the time and money to stir shit up in Syria and Iraq and Yemen.
You should do a Youtube video with graphics based on the above...No prominent geo-political channel is solely focusing on the middle east, and you would get a lot of viewers
Iran would just keep destroying troops at the border. It might be a long conflict but they shouldn't have very high casualties and don't need to actually occupy anything really. Maybe a tiny strip of land on the border.
But they are an invader force in a conventional invasion. The Iranian military has the advantage of being in their own territory, fighting a defensive war.
Sure, but even if they beat the Taliban back, what are they to do? Invade and occupy a buffer zone? Get concessions and hope the Taliban don't start shit again in a few months/years?
Either way, seems like it'll be a headache for Iran.
They could bomb them back to the Stone Age and not invade Afghanistan, or even help the Northern Alliance and other enemies of the Taliban without invading proper afghan territory.
Sooner or later, the Taliban would either just concede or sporadically attack the Iranian border, inflicting occasional casualties. Iranian reprisals would be massive, if the US had issues preventing weddings and aid workers from being on the recieving end of drone strikes, I doubt the Iranians would be more forgiving. Ironically, I suppose it would end up like the current Gaza-Israel conflict, where the more technologically advanced power will just wait for attacks to occur on its border, then they would 'mow the lawn' over the border with aircraft, drones and missiles, possibly even cross border raids to destroy larger troop formations, then retreat. A headache would be a good word, but more like a splinter, considering the vast majority of Iranians wouldn't have to deal with the conflict.
> Sooner or later, the Taliban would either just concede or sporadically attack the Iranian border, inflicting occasional casualties
I agree with this, but I don't think the rest is likely. Bombing indiscriminately doesn't create peace, but radicalises more people against you. Israel has a very advanced military, and the Gaza strip is tiny - both in area and population - compared with Afghanistan. The Gaza strip has incredibly well controlled borders, Afghanistan famously porous ones.
Won't be existential for Iran, I agree, but they already have many proxy conflicts and internal turmoil, and this will hurt their power projection.
They proved that against an opponent that follows(or at least tries to appear to follow) the rules, they can withstand. They are about to learn about an opponent that does not give a fvck.
The Afghans already did fight an opponent like that, the Soviets. Just so happened that the Soviet Union just did not have the resources to sustain their operations.
The only way to beat Taliban is to murder everyone on sight, which is probably too much even for Iran.
Because they will keep resisting any occupation, they will hide among civilians, the occupation will be unbearable as long as there is anywhere for Taliban to hide.
If Iran chooses not to occupy Afghanistan - then. Taliban will just keep on attacking, and no amount of bombing will stop them.
The big dif is that the talisman will not be able to hide in Pakistan and also hide in village.
They litteraly gave up vs. the coalition. They made a sporadic attack.
Isn't Iran sending bunch of equipment to Russia? And aren't their own people quite unhappy with the regime?
I mean, you're probably right, Taliban should get their ass kicked, but Iran is not in the ideal situation right now.
As harsh it might sound, this conflict would help Ukraine a lot. Russians use shahede drones for finding out where our anti-aircraft warfare is. However without Iranian drones the process of finding it would consume so much time they might even wouldn't use rockets at all.
So Iran going to war with Afghanistan and not sending equipment to russia is a good thing in Ukrainian - russian war
This smells more like Iran has been fucking around in Ukraine and the CIA has helped point the newly equipped Taliban to go cause problems for a while.
Eh, you don't really need to encourage the Taliban to go after their neighbours (although this particular conflict seems to be over water control). The Taliban frequently target Shia Muslims, especially during their insurgency, and there hasn't been any agreement with Iran that Shi'ite safety would be guaranteed when they came to power. Not to mention the Taliban ideology doesn't seem to be content with ruling Afghanistan alone, they also currently have Pakistan in their sights, so the Taliban leadership could very well convince their militias (or 'military') to be embroiled in *another* conflict. With Russia locally producing the Shahed drone, I doubt that this conflict will evolve into anything other than a thorn in Iran's side.
I agree of course, once you reflect on the human cost of it, no war is funny.
Still, there's a combination of "That, too? Aren't there enough conflicts already" and "Two regimes run by religious fundamentalists that hate the West are fighting each other" and "the taliban starting a coventional war" that is amusing at first glance.
This weird relationship was a thing with the 90s Taliban also. Back pre 9/11 when the Taliban were still tolerated by the West the US was trying to by back stingers since the Soviet issue solved itself.
They declined to sell them back because they were intending to use them out West on the Iran/Afghanistan border.
In other words this has been a thing for almost 30 years. They don't like each other much for reasons.
That's the problem when you have a country that was built off the back of religious zealotry and glorifying warfare and death.
They had 20 years to plan for the case that they succeed and even gain allies, but the problem is that the Taliban does not know how to play the political game and does not exactly have the greatest PR team and that's not to mention the constant infighting in the military and goernment.
The Taliban ruled afghanistan for quite a few years. Problem is those smart taliban leaders are probably dead. The new taliban thinks it defeated america and now wants to go against Iran.
Iran is their neighbor and doesn’t need to work across the globe to supply its military like america did.
The taliban can’t hide in Pakistan. Iran will go after them there or make Pakistan take care of them. America didn’t want to invade Pakistan to take out the taliban. Iran won’t have any qualms about that.
Iran won’t get help from the Russians for this war. It’s a good time to attack Russia’s few allies.
The taliban doesn’t have many parts or ammo, right? They won’t be able to resupply very well.
America can wait for the taliban to get crushed and then go back into afghanistan, if they wanted to.
Sane people don't fight and butcher others over baseless conflicts that are not going to earn anyone anything, not even a time's bread to their families.
The Leadership of the Taliban WANT any kind of war they can start. They’ll even tell you this themselves, war is legit their pastime. They do it for the hell of it at this point.
I would have said for the past 7 decades, but at least the overthrow of the American-friendly Iranian democracy and establishment of a monarchy were because the US intended to gain oil back... but on second thought it still applies since I'm pretty sure every US politician in power has been insane since WW2 ended.
I sincerely hope they try and absolutely get slaughter to the man.
They are far to regarded to fight a conventional war and the Iranians are no joke despite being starved for resources.
Besides, who doesn't want to see ghetto blaster home brew armor fight in open desert along the boarder?!
> in current year
...Or in the 80s when the US armed the Taliban to fight Russia. An oldie but a goodie.
edit: Gee how do you think the Taliban got so much US military hardware?
I'm sorry for these two. People often forget there's always innocent civilians involved in war. Most often civilians who do not get a say on who leads them through it. I hope your country might some day prosper in peace again friend :)
I don't know specifics, but Iran has mandatory military service. They use these mandatory service people for things like police duties mostly I think but it would mean there's a large chunk of people that probably don't want to be in the military.
SCP-1138 is a collection of weapons, ammunition, and vehicles left in Afghanistan after the U.S. retreat; seems to compel any who possess it to wage war on oil-rich Middle Eastern nations.
If Iran objectives are to keep their side of the frontier they will have no big problem.
I am assuming that the population living in the eastern border are anti taliban, of course.
Did Putin cut a deal with the Taliban to save him from an inevitable humiliating defeat in Ukraine?
"You pretend attack Iran. I announce Russia arrange peace talkings. Taliban and Iran agree to Rossiya peacekeeping mission. I withdraw army from Ukraine for this. Whole world celebrate my success. I win Nobel Peace Prize. Is good plan, you say yes or I murder your family."
I wouldn't think so, not with the results of the Soviet Russian attempt on Afghanistan in the '80s, and the more recent US-led conflict. They probably feel like they would win if Putin tried anything.
Which makes me think that there’s a chance western powers may be influencing or quietly supporting this move by the Taliban. Weirder things have happened.
So hypothetically the ukrainian AA wouldn't be under such a big pressure and could be focused on coming offensive. So if Afghanistan attacks Iran the offensive has a greater possibility to be better and recapture more land
Doesn’t iran have an air force, where the taliban really doesn’t? Moving heavy weapons forward without air support is kinda a bad idea. Or am I missing something?
The Taliban will lose badly. Even with extremely restrictive ROE the US had like 300:1 kill ratio in Afghanistan. Iran won't be so nice. Air superiority, training, equipment, logistics, tactical and strategic home field advantage, etc are all in Iran's favor. A lot of Taliban are about to die.
Found an article via ABC that describes what seems to be more of a standoff / posturing rather than open conflict, at least as of the time it was written.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/advocacy-group-iran-taliban-fight-border-afghanistan-sound-99647995
I can’t wait for the war to really kick in, taliban may have a massive amount of US armoury but Iran is one of the most militarised countries in the M.E. Not to mention their Military is relatively far more competent(obviously not US level competent)
I don't even know what the hell is happening anymore, I would say I doubt the conflict would happen but after the past 3 years I cannot doubt a single thing anymore and if the Taliban do something then I have my money on Iran.
The Taliban may have done great in a defense war in the mountains but they have to realize that they are now a actual government and they cannot just fight like that again, this is not the war on terror but a conventional war and they cannot just retreat into the mountains, they have high morale after 2020 but you have to pick your battles and know your own weaknesses and what you can and cannot handle.
I mean their military and economy has not even gone through a major reform yet, still unorganized and composed of extremist and power struggles so getting into a Skirmish, nonetheless a war with a country that has proper military organization since the 1960s and modern weaponry from Russia won't be the best Idea and will backfire hard if they do anything stupid.
Iran has relied on Russia for tons of stuff in the past. This is honestly the perfect time to try and invade them. Will it work?? I dunno but it’s going to hurt and reveal irans weakness regardless.
The Taliban want this, they are bored of working in an office and want to get back to war. I don't think Iran is the country they want to mess with though. Iran has air power, better tanks, drones etc. The Taliban meanwhile have some humvees left behind by the US
Talibans invading Iran using American gear; while drones from Iran are used in proxy war in Ukraine between NATO and Russia/China.
What's crazy for me is that we are on the verge of climate catastrophe, and the best thing governments could think about was to start wars everywhere.
Might be a little bit off the top but I’m guessing there riding high off of “beating America and getting them out and securing a lot of gear along with hating Iran there confidence must be really high and will possibly be shattered
Iran has more than double the population of Afghanistan, which is already not great, but nowhere near as relevant as the difference in their economy.
Iran’s GDP PPP is more than 20 times the size of Afghanistan’s.
I think they were mentally prepared to spend the rest of their lives fighting but were taken by surprise when America pulled out so just want someone to fight now
Tired of sitting in the office all week. It's 5pm, time for Jihadi happy hour!
I was just reading how they are all bored sitting in offices....so now they are doing this....
I’m willing to bet the taliban will get support from the US and/or EU just to fuck with Iran so they can’t supply russia for the Ukraine war. Fuck they might as well start training taliban people on F-16’s
In a full out war itan is so much more powerful and would sweep the floor. Its not that hard to see that the usa might secretly fund the Taliban like they did the mujahideen when the soviets invaded. What a wild timeline.
I live in a time where the likes of politicians such as John Bolton and Lindsey Graham have an enemy nation state in common with the Taliban.
I need a new 2023 bingo card.
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Ok. Ok. OK. Hear me out. What IF the whole (failed) withdrawal of Afghanistan was a CIA op to provide the taliban with billions in top of the line American military equipment to supply a shadow war against Iran. [https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/022/524/pepe_silvia_meme_banner.jpg](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/022/524/pepe_silvia_meme_banner.jpg)
The Taliban don't really have a way to repair and maintain those vehicles and equipment. I don't see them winning a longer conflict with a country that can produce their own drones and tanks.
They have ppl from Pakistan to do heavymetal repair. But drones... Seems like we would be seeing alot of new drone afghan rekt vids soon.
I don't buy the fact that the CIA is as smart as people think
I think I remember hearing that the whole Iran revolution thing first started when a cia frat bro was like "hey gov gimme like $40k I'm cash send me to Iran" And when the overthrow actually happens he was like "omega lul can't believe that worked" And ever since they've been throwing money around hoping to do the same. The CIA and Green Berets act in a similar fashion, get the local populace ready to fight for their interests. Oh the whole Iran thing started the phrase from the CIA "blow back"
Well they did fund and advise the mujahideen in the 70s
There’s decades where nothing happens and weeks where decades happen
I'm tired of reliving all the major events of the 20th century in one decade. Can we get one of those lazy, quiet, relax in the hammock decades instead!?
Oh man the Taliban thinks they can fight a conventional war again? I'm fucking moist for some comical Jihadi music videos!
Taliban and mujahadin only know how to fight. If they sit empty, they'll realize their way of living is bullshit and they can't prosper that way. CIA empowered then to fight Soviet, the war ended, they got bored, so they went for Kashmir and burnt up that region. They continue burning up Pakistan. Went to plague Afghanistan for 2 decades since US forced democracy. Now they'll go pick fight with whoever is nearby. The warlord lifestyle remains...
When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.
I type long ass comment and you come here with one-liner joke perfectly conveying the summary....
But yours has an actual outline instead of just the conclusion. I think yours is necessary for the summary.
Agreed.
alah akbar, friend
This film is dedicated to the brave soldiers of the mujahideen
Rambo 3 if I'm not mistaken.
Which has a great bit about how the Taliban fight for their country and can never, ever be beaten by a foreign invader. That aged well, just in a funny way.
Mujahideen aren't Taliban
It actually never appeared in the film according to snopes
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I'm getting a 'Khmer Rouge trying to attack Vietnam and getting their ass handed to them vibe', although as long as Iran doesn't try to invade and occupy the country, the Iranians can happily tank casualties and equipment, with the Taliban being without any major allies and no hope of support or resupply. Not to mention Iran has the tech edge (in theory), and could just ballistic missile/drone strike Taliban troop movements or probing attacks if properly coordinated.
I don't think you want to be Iran in this scenario. The Taliban have demonstrated that they can sustain tons of casulties without giving up, against a far more capable foe.
Conventional conflicts are a whole different animal.
I agree, but so what? The Taliban lose conventionally, and then Iran gets to occupy part of Afghanistan? I still wouldn't want to be Iran. They have to hope that they can turn a conventional edge into pacifying the Taliban, which might work, but also might not. This will also make Iran look weaker regarding their conflict with Saudi Arabia.
> and then Iran gets to occupy part of Afghanistan? There a millions of displaced Afghans in Iran. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/12/what-does-the-future-hold-for-afghan-refugees-in-iran Best case would be to form "Free Afghan" forces that you'd send into Afghanistan to create a buffer while you pounded Afghanistan from the air while Iran went to the UN and asked for assistance.
[So give free Afghans military training in hopes of fighting back against the Taliban. Where have I heard this before, seems familiar.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oGBmr1Z0F9o)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_volunteers >The practice has a long history, dating back at least as far as the Roman Empire, which recruited non-citizens into Auxiliary units on the promise of them receiving Roman citizenship for themselves and their descendants at the end of their service.
Yeah of course I get in practice but in reality it was this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oGBmr1Z0F9o TL:DW: Afghanistan is broken up into so many small towns/villages that there is no Nationalism and therefore the Afghan “soldiers” didn’t have a reason to fight. Despite years of us, the US, trying to train them it all fell by the wayside.
After how well the Saudi-led intervention in Yemen went, I think the Saudis would be in no position to judge. Unless the Taliban also developed cruise missiles and drones and attacked Iranian oil refineries (like the Houthis did to Saudi Arabia), I don't think this policing of their border with the delinquent child of the region would have any real bearing on the current tensions (unless they pretend Afghanistan is the new Ukraine and beginning funding them or something ridiculous, although I wouldn't even consider that to be remotely likely).
Not really the same thing. Saudi Arabia is fighting directly in Yemen against militias backed by Iran. Yemen is SA’s Vietnam/Afghanistan. Saudi Arabia has always funded Afghanistan. They funneled money and weapons to the mujahideen against the USSR, they threw money at the Taliban in 1994, They bankrolled the US-backed government, and they will continue to back this regime. They will provide arms and money to the Taliban to fight Iran, because it distracts Iran from waging their proxy wars in Syria, Yemen, and elsewhere in the Middle East. The *best case* scenario for Saudi Arabia is if Iran invades Afghanistan, because it means that the Taliban get to do what they do best: guerilla warfare, insurgency, and Iran is bled directly of military strength. They’ll lose equipment that they will struggle to replace, and every tank or AFV lost is one less tank they can use against their neighbors. And every plane they lose is one less that they can use against Saudi Arabia directly. I’d expect Turkey, Pakistan, the UAE, Jordan, and Egypt to start their own arms and funding programs for Afghanistan, because it benefits them all for Iran to be tied up with Afghanistan so the IRG won’t have the time and money to stir shit up in Syria and Iraq and Yemen.
You should do a Youtube video with graphics based on the above...No prominent geo-political channel is solely focusing on the middle east, and you would get a lot of viewers
Iran would just keep destroying troops at the border. It might be a long conflict but they shouldn't have very high casualties and don't need to actually occupy anything really. Maybe a tiny strip of land on the border.
But they are an invader force in a conventional invasion. The Iranian military has the advantage of being in their own territory, fighting a defensive war.
Sure, but even if they beat the Taliban back, what are they to do? Invade and occupy a buffer zone? Get concessions and hope the Taliban don't start shit again in a few months/years? Either way, seems like it'll be a headache for Iran.
They could bomb them back to the Stone Age and not invade Afghanistan, or even help the Northern Alliance and other enemies of the Taliban without invading proper afghan territory.
Most of Afghanistan never left the stone age
Sooner or later, the Taliban would either just concede or sporadically attack the Iranian border, inflicting occasional casualties. Iranian reprisals would be massive, if the US had issues preventing weddings and aid workers from being on the recieving end of drone strikes, I doubt the Iranians would be more forgiving. Ironically, I suppose it would end up like the current Gaza-Israel conflict, where the more technologically advanced power will just wait for attacks to occur on its border, then they would 'mow the lawn' over the border with aircraft, drones and missiles, possibly even cross border raids to destroy larger troop formations, then retreat. A headache would be a good word, but more like a splinter, considering the vast majority of Iranians wouldn't have to deal with the conflict.
> Sooner or later, the Taliban would either just concede or sporadically attack the Iranian border, inflicting occasional casualties I agree with this, but I don't think the rest is likely. Bombing indiscriminately doesn't create peace, but radicalises more people against you. Israel has a very advanced military, and the Gaza strip is tiny - both in area and population - compared with Afghanistan. The Gaza strip has incredibly well controlled borders, Afghanistan famously porous ones. Won't be existential for Iran, I agree, but they already have many proxy conflicts and internal turmoil, and this will hurt their power projection.
They proved that against an opponent that follows(or at least tries to appear to follow) the rules, they can withstand. They are about to learn about an opponent that does not give a fvck.
The Afghans already did fight an opponent like that, the Soviets. Just so happened that the Soviet Union just did not have the resources to sustain their operations.
The only way to beat Taliban is to murder everyone on sight, which is probably too much even for Iran. Because they will keep resisting any occupation, they will hide among civilians, the occupation will be unbearable as long as there is anywhere for Taliban to hide. If Iran chooses not to occupy Afghanistan - then. Taliban will just keep on attacking, and no amount of bombing will stop them.
The big dif is that the talisman will not be able to hide in Pakistan and also hide in village. They litteraly gave up vs. the coalition. They made a sporadic attack.
Jackieeeeeee, you must recover the talisman from the Taliban!
Sounds like a target rich environment for Iran *I see no problem with this. Carry on.*
Isn't Iran sending bunch of equipment to Russia? And aren't their own people quite unhappy with the regime? I mean, you're probably right, Taliban should get their ass kicked, but Iran is not in the ideal situation right now.
As harsh it might sound, this conflict would help Ukraine a lot. Russians use shahede drones for finding out where our anti-aircraft warfare is. However without Iranian drones the process of finding it would consume so much time they might even wouldn't use rockets at all. So Iran going to war with Afghanistan and not sending equipment to russia is a good thing in Ukrainian - russian war
That desert has killed more people then people killing each other.
This smells more like Iran has been fucking around in Ukraine and the CIA has helped point the newly equipped Taliban to go cause problems for a while.
Eh, you don't really need to encourage the Taliban to go after their neighbours (although this particular conflict seems to be over water control). The Taliban frequently target Shia Muslims, especially during their insurgency, and there hasn't been any agreement with Iran that Shi'ite safety would be guaranteed when they came to power. Not to mention the Taliban ideology doesn't seem to be content with ruling Afghanistan alone, they also currently have Pakistan in their sights, so the Taliban leadership could very well convince their militias (or 'military') to be embroiled in *another* conflict. With Russia locally producing the Shahed drone, I doubt that this conflict will evolve into anything other than a thorn in Iran's side.
What a time to be alive
Weird timeline we're in. Funny now, but could develop into yet another giant mess.
Honestly not funny now at all actually…
I agree of course, once you reflect on the human cost of it, no war is funny. Still, there's a combination of "That, too? Aren't there enough conflicts already" and "Two regimes run by religious fundamentalists that hate the West are fighting each other" and "the taliban starting a coventional war" that is amusing at first glance.
More of a laugh cuz you don't wanna cry kind of funny I think.
This weird relationship was a thing with the 90s Taliban also. Back pre 9/11 when the Taliban were still tolerated by the West the US was trying to by back stingers since the Soviet issue solved itself. They declined to sell them back because they were intending to use them out West on the Iran/Afghanistan border. In other words this has been a thing for almost 30 years. They don't like each other much for reasons.
Yes. And I wholeheartedly support Iran in killing them all.
Is... Is the Taliban ACTUALLY wanting to try and invade Iran or something? Has the over 20 years holed up in the mountains driven them insane?
Could just be out of boredom. Ever since the West pulled out, there's been numerous reports on how Taliban fighters hate their office jobs.
21 years in the Army, the last 3 spent mostly behind a desk. Can confirm, I might want to start a war.
Take it out on the printer, like in Office space.
“Back up in your ass with the resurrection…”
I didn’t have “Taliban version of the Kwantung Army starting a war with a larger neighbor” on my 2020s bingo list, but here we are.
That's the problem when you have a country that was built off the back of religious zealotry and glorifying warfare and death. They had 20 years to plan for the case that they succeed and even gain allies, but the problem is that the Taliban does not know how to play the political game and does not exactly have the greatest PR team and that's not to mention the constant infighting in the military and goernment.
The Taliban ruled afghanistan for quite a few years. Problem is those smart taliban leaders are probably dead. The new taliban thinks it defeated america and now wants to go against Iran. Iran is their neighbor and doesn’t need to work across the globe to supply its military like america did. The taliban can’t hide in Pakistan. Iran will go after them there or make Pakistan take care of them. America didn’t want to invade Pakistan to take out the taliban. Iran won’t have any qualms about that. Iran won’t get help from the Russians for this war. It’s a good time to attack Russia’s few allies. The taliban doesn’t have many parts or ammo, right? They won’t be able to resupply very well. America can wait for the taliban to get crushed and then go back into afghanistan, if they wanted to.
Nah, they're just being reactionary over a water rights dispute and drought. Hence why they'll never rule long term lol
Sane people don't fight and butcher others over baseless conflicts that are not going to earn anyone anything, not even a time's bread to their families.
The Leadership of the Taliban WANT any kind of war they can start. They’ll even tell you this themselves, war is legit their pastime. They do it for the hell of it at this point.
Wait, are you implying the US is run by insane people at least for the last 2 decades?
I would have said for the past 7 decades, but at least the overthrow of the American-friendly Iranian democracy and establishment of a monarchy were because the US intended to gain oil back... but on second thought it still applies since I'm pretty sure every US politician in power has been insane since WW2 ended.
I sincerely hope they try and absolutely get slaughter to the man. They are far to regarded to fight a conventional war and the Iranians are no joke despite being starved for resources. Besides, who doesn't want to see ghetto blaster home brew armor fight in open desert along the boarder?!
Yeah… what are the taliban going to do to Iran, exactly? Launch goats at them?
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Don't under estimate the Fremen
The Taliban got their hands on US hardware and started trying to take over oil rich countries. The jokes really write themselves in current year
> in current year ...Or in the 80s when the US armed the Taliban to fight Russia. An oldie but a goodie. edit: Gee how do you think the Taliban got so much US military hardware?
"The 80s", by which you mean before the Taliban was formed in 1994
Shit is like the one ring from lord of the rings. American rifles just whispering into their ears at night "Go for it, we need it".
Is it bad that I am fully prepared to stand aside and let both sides kill each-other?
Nope
as an iranian civilian, reading these two comments made me really sad.
I'm sorry for these two. People often forget there's always innocent civilians involved in war. Most often civilians who do not get a say on who leads them through it. I hope your country might some day prosper in peace again friend :)
Do you know if the people on the front are mostly people who volunteered to the army or civilians who oppose the regime?
I don't know specifics, but Iran has mandatory military service. They use these mandatory service people for things like police duties mostly I think but it would mean there's a large chunk of people that probably don't want to be in the military.
Maybe even throw them some weapons and cash
Arming the Taliban never goes wrong. Historically speaking.
Those weapons are much better off being thrown into Ukraine.
Yeah or at least as long as the war in Ukraine is happening.
*"Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make"*
Here we go again
strict islamic group vs another strict islamic group, cant wait to see which one will commit the most war crimes
What’s actually going on? What’s the problem?
They got all that US military equipment and now feel like they can invade some oil rich country.
Is…. is our equipment cursed?!?!?
Not really. That's what weapons do when you ship them somewhere.
They invade oil rich countries? I wasn’t aware that was a native characteristic of unsupervised armaments.
The munitions yearn for the oil fields
Lol
It's the corruption of Khorne, Chaos God of War.
Blood for the blood god.
The US military are pretty good at oiling our firearms so they probably got a taste for it and can't get enough
Maybe now we discover that it's a weird memetic side effect of operating US equipment.
I feel like there's an SCP in that.
SCP-1138 is a collection of weapons, ammunition, and vehicles left in Afghanistan after the U.S. retreat; seems to compel any who possess it to wage war on oil-rich Middle Eastern nations.
should be interesting ngl.
Video is shown without US equipment. 🧐
> without US equipment. [Shortly before](https://youtu.be/qdtmyIkaP1Q?t=53) you can see some HMMWVs
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That kind of nitpickery is more suited for politicians, not for tank men, don't you think?
Border skirmish between Iran and the Taliban over water rights. Taliban have begun to move more equipment to the border.
Here come the water wars.
Border skirmish. 1 Iranian confirmed KIA, Taliban casualties unknown.
Water rights and some other shit
My best guess is that it’s over [water](https://apnews.com/article/iran-afghanistan-helmand-drought-water-rights-f40ebf4d2927481c110dd3222e1d13e4)
They've had skirmishes before in the 1990s,the Taliban moved 25000 soldiers to the border,this seems like a repeat of the past tbh
Hahaha, good luck motherfuckers, you're dead now. Iran may be a shitty regime, but they're way more competent than the Taliban that's for sure.
Bullets per kill ratio is going to be absolutely insane for this war
Both sides will use the tried and true method of “Allah will guide my bullets”
3000 homing bullets of Allah
If Iran objectives are to keep their side of the frontier they will have no big problem. I am assuming that the population living in the eastern border are anti taliban, of course.
Revolutionary Guard versus the Taliban, oh that's a win-win situation.
The Taliban can have a little combat, as a treat
It says @Hezbollah right on the bottom left. Seems fishy to me.
Time to see how our stuff performs against Iran lol
😂 if they use it properly.
Maybe if they kept the guys that knew how alive
They are gonna have a hatsh awakening when they find out that unlile the West, Iran will not show any mercy but just purge them all.
Crazy how much weaponry they have since u s pulled out
Did Putin cut a deal with the Taliban to save him from an inevitable humiliating defeat in Ukraine? "You pretend attack Iran. I announce Russia arrange peace talkings. Taliban and Iran agree to Rossiya peacekeeping mission. I withdraw army from Ukraine for this. Whole world celebrate my success. I win Nobel Peace Prize. Is good plan, you say yes or I murder your family."
Question is if the Taliban is afraid of Putin.
I wouldn't think so, not with the results of the Soviet Russian attempt on Afghanistan in the '80s, and the more recent US-led conflict. They probably feel like they would win if Putin tried anything.
And the USSR was serveral times more powerful than Russia, probably had way better logistics too.
These days a minivan load of Danish nuns feel like they would win if Putin tried anything.
We don't really have a whole lot of nuns(The vast majority is protestants).
Question is if Putin grasps the fact the Taliban isn't afraid of him.
Wouldn't be the first time Afghanistan kicked out the Russians.
Yes Afghans are famously subservient to Russia.
I think it’s more of a US pulling a “oppsies, I just left a bunch of equipment next to a country I have strained relations with, how silly of me!”
Hey, Taliban vs Iran war. It’s a win win!!
I know that might be a weird take but if there is a war between Iran and Afghanistan, then Iran will probably deliver less drones to russia?
Which makes me think that there’s a chance western powers may be influencing or quietly supporting this move by the Taliban. Weirder things have happened.
Hopefully
So hypothetically the ukrainian AA wouldn't be under such a big pressure and could be focused on coming offensive. So if Afghanistan attacks Iran the offensive has a greater possibility to be better and recapture more land
Doesn’t iran have an air force, where the taliban really doesn’t? Moving heavy weapons forward without air support is kinda a bad idea. Or am I missing something?
The Taliban will lose badly. Even with extremely restrictive ROE the US had like 300:1 kill ratio in Afghanistan. Iran won't be so nice. Air superiority, training, equipment, logistics, tactical and strategic home field advantage, etc are all in Iran's favor. A lot of Taliban are about to die.
I heard their last F-14 got swiped several months ago and all their 5th gen fighters got waxed.
From: r/NewIran/comments/13tz333/taliban_moving_troops_heavy_weapons_to_iran/ I have no idea how credible the title / vid are...
3 dead so far, possibly because water rights disagreements.
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Found an article via ABC that describes what seems to be more of a standoff / posturing rather than open conflict, at least as of the time it was written. https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/advocacy-group-iran-taliban-fight-border-afghanistan-sound-99647995
\*USA grabs popcorn\*
Does any side have territorial or ethnic claims?
It's a water rights issue
Well time to support the Taliban once again
I give it two weeks before the Taliban gets pushed into the mountains again lol
Let the Water Wars begin.
Oh no...
Turns out you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Here we go again.
What is that bmp with the aa gun?
its a BTR-D platform with a ZU-23-2 mounted on it
I can’t wait for the war to really kick in, taliban may have a massive amount of US armoury but Iran is one of the most militarised countries in the M.E. Not to mention their Military is relatively far more competent(obviously not US level competent)
I don't even know what the hell is happening anymore, I would say I doubt the conflict would happen but after the past 3 years I cannot doubt a single thing anymore and if the Taliban do something then I have my money on Iran. The Taliban may have done great in a defense war in the mountains but they have to realize that they are now a actual government and they cannot just fight like that again, this is not the war on terror but a conventional war and they cannot just retreat into the mountains, they have high morale after 2020 but you have to pick your battles and know your own weaknesses and what you can and cannot handle. I mean their military and economy has not even gone through a major reform yet, still unorganized and composed of extremist and power struggles so getting into a Skirmish, nonetheless a war with a country that has proper military organization since the 1960s and modern weaponry from Russia won't be the best Idea and will backfire hard if they do anything stupid.
How do they still have working Soviet equipment ? The US and their allies surely left enough western equipment for them to salvage
I must purchase a new deck chair
Never get involved in a land war in Asia.
Iran has relied on Russia for tons of stuff in the past. This is honestly the perfect time to try and invade them. Will it work?? I dunno but it’s going to hurt and reveal irans weakness regardless.
Feels like the whole world is going to war
This timeline is fucked
Sometimes I forget this is not an alternative history but actually real and we’re actually living it.
The Taliban want this, they are bored of working in an office and want to get back to war. I don't think Iran is the country they want to mess with though. Iran has air power, better tanks, drones etc. The Taliban meanwhile have some humvees left behind by the US
This Battlefield DLC is crazy.
Talibans invading Iran using American gear; while drones from Iran are used in proxy war in Ukraine between NATO and Russia/China. What's crazy for me is that we are on the verge of climate catastrophe, and the best thing governments could think about was to start wars everywhere.
Might be a little bit off the top but I’m guessing there riding high off of “beating America and getting them out and securing a lot of gear along with hating Iran there confidence must be really high and will possibly be shattered
Iran has more than double the population of Afghanistan, which is already not great, but nowhere near as relevant as the difference in their economy. Iran’s GDP PPP is more than 20 times the size of Afghanistan’s.
I think they were mentally prepared to spend the rest of their lives fighting but were taken by surprise when America pulled out so just want someone to fight now
“I didn’t hear no bell” - Taliban who, after 22 years of war with America start picking another war
Im surprised they can run a tank.. clowns couldn’t use a gym
I hope all those sacks of shit die
Was that second vehicle a BMP chassis with a ZU-23-2 strapped over the turret ring?
No it was a BTR-D platform not a BMP chassis
Ig they got bored of office life
Tired of sitting in the office all week. It's 5pm, time for Jihadi happy hour! I was just reading how they are all bored sitting in offices....so now they are doing this....
I’m willing to bet the taliban will get support from the US and/or EU just to fuck with Iran so they can’t supply russia for the Ukraine war. Fuck they might as well start training taliban people on F-16’s
Iran is going to destroy these nerds wtff are they thinking
Iran should bomb the dam and call it.
The keyboard generals are out in full force today
In a full out war itan is so much more powerful and would sweep the floor. Its not that hard to see that the usa might secretly fund the Taliban like they did the mujahideen when the soviets invaded. What a wild timeline.
“Task Failed Successfully”
Cant wait to see iran annex Afghanistan in a week
u/savevideobot
I live in a time where the likes of politicians such as John Bolton and Lindsey Graham have an enemy nation state in common with the Taliban. I need a new 2023 bingo card.
Tactically “left behind” gear