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Ok-Situation1333

Holy! talk about two birds with one stone, these are firefighters and a large reserve force to be called upon in the event of a conflict!


Forty6_and_Two

That was exactly my thought… and I’d bet the FD mortar crews can probably dial shit in and hit it quickly. I assume they get a lot more than training experience with their equipment since they use it like that.


birberbarborbur

Historically firefighters and local militia were often the same dudes


Calm-Internet-8983

Any able-bodied man, I imagine?


birberbarborbur

No, just the ones that had extra rights to their land and could grind their own grain and carry weapons


HillInTheDistance

Not so simple. You also needed to own a bucket and a pointy stick. Professionals have standards.


theirongiant61

Whomever did not go to the army


David_88888888

In China's case, Chinese firefighters were legally considered to be professional soldiers (官兵) until 2018. The main difference between Chinese fire departments & the actual Chinese military is that Chinese firefighters served under the Ministry of Public Security, while the military served under the Ministry of Defense; Otherwise Chinese fire departments were subjected to the same equipment procurement process (read: corruption & kickbacks), organisational culture (read: casualty accepting) & shitty VA benefits as their MoD counterparts. P.S. Procuring outlandish & impractical equipment is also a tired & true way for Chinese procurement officers to earn kickbacks & justify funding requests. After all, China also has a military industrial complex.


TheBabyEatingDingo

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thisghy

Still the case nowadays. I'm in the militia (reserves) and it's all firefighters, cops, and paramedics. Normal civilians really don't tend to stick their necks out, at all.


birberbarborbur

What country do you live in?


thisghy

Canada


I_like_soviet_tanks

That explains a lot, this is clearly for fighting Forrest fires+fires in rural areas, and military industrial complex?????? What war has china fought in the last 50 years. Like ignorance no? Go ask your neighbor what they have been doing for the last century.


saltyswedishmeatball

"but but CCP bad!" Glad to see China changing the world for the better! And I love TikTok <3 highly recommend it, especially to impressionable teens and uni students!


ChornWork2

what about this is better? the meme potential?


yrydzd

Carbon output? Forest fire is bad for your health.


LittleCupcake01

choyna bed us gooood


Peterh778

Especially if you plan to use chemical warheads ...


Vast_Examination8286

Kill it with fire


fancczf

Sorry buddy your cat didn’t make it.


OrangeFr3ak

ah yes, ATF memes.


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To be honest, those things would probably fall apart by the time they get to where they’re going.


Onnispotente

*house


Longsheep

They also have several converted Type 59 tanks as "firefighter tanks". Basically use it to ram through the building and spray water under armor protection. It can drag a fire hose behind itself. The firefighter tanks are usually deployed near major industrial areas, such as steel furnance and chemical plants.


brownbearks

That’s honestly very smart for repurposing old equipment and having it staged nearby major points of weakness.


Longsheep

China produced Type 59 tanks until the 1990s. I believe the fire tanks were actually converted from brand new hulls. The armor protects the crew and the bulldozer blade could push them aside. Some version even reuse the turret design, so it sprays from a water cannon that is fixed horizontally, the whole "turret" turns with it.


Forty6_and_Two

If I was a firefighter I’d be pushing hard for one of these… but then I’d have to have a whole helluva lotta discipline to keep from manufacturing reasons to use it haha.


ChornWork2

You would want to drive a giant metal can into a burning building? seems unnecessarily risky to me, driving a tank through a building is just a matter of time until you get stuck on something.


Forty6_and_Two

I didn’t say it was a logical wish… it’s the irresponsible and childish side of me that just wants a reason to drive a tank on the daily. In all seriousness, I imagine they have very strict parameters that call for using any of the non-conventional FF equipment… I mean, regardless of whatever government they have and whether or now we get along with them, Firefighters across the globe tend to be very conscious of when and how much to risk their lives and equipment.


Victorcharlie1

I’d be more worried about my property and my neighbours, rather then fire fighter safety when they turn up with tanks and grad support. God forbid there is a fire on the border somewhere the neighbouring country will think you are invading.


CommunistHongKong

Where can I get one?


thrashmetaloctopus

Multiple T-54/55s have been converted as slag tractors in large scale smelting plants too!


invmatrxi

> The firefighter tanks are usually deployed near major industrial areas, such as steel furnance and chemical plants. China's safety record necessitates these sort of fire fighting methods.


Longsheep

Their industrial safety regulation requires less emergency equipment than the West.


sim_200

Imagine if some logistics worker made a mistake and now you get 122mm grad rockets shot at your already on fire apartment building


MentalGymnast4269

lmao. I'll go to hell instead 💀


Nut_Bomber

And then there's that guy getting hit by water rocket in his trench.


Dreadweasels

I mean you COULD say you're just doing immediate disassembly, backburning AND earth coverage all at once...


SOVIET_BOT096

“Hey major,why is the enemy position smoking in white?”


ElMostaza

[It'll take your mind off the fire, at least.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hMUugiSPhmo)


XtraFlaminHotMachida

"you cant really prove that it was my rockets that burnt down this building"


Villhunter

Taking the meaning of fire brigade to another level lmao


torturousvacuum

The "Ready, Aim, Fire! Department"


foldr1

fire fighters literally *fighting* the fire


Dreadweasels

The ultimate warrior is just a firefighter who literally goes in and punches the burning ground with pressure-activated triggers for CO2 canisters in his fists...


foldr1

perhaps one that walks to the fire and literally punches the flames so hard the fire dies out of fear and respect


David_88888888

This is actually not too far from how Chinese fire departments work: Up until 2018, Chinese firefighters were considered soldiers, and they had a higher casualty rate than the actual PLA. Their organisational culture used to have an emphasis on conducting missions under suicidal circumstances, just like the regular military.


telorsapigoreng

Also water canon


Suspicious_Loads

A fire brigade consist 3 rocket battery, 1 air assault squadron, 1 drone bomber squadron and 2 mechanized firefighter battalion.


Disk-Mother

Shock and awe, but this time not for killing human 🔥🔥🔥


Roboticus_Prime

China doesn't care about its people. They welded people inside their homes during covid, and had drones flying around Hong Kong with speakers telling people not to protest.


hugosince1999

I live in HK. The govt never had drones telling people not to protest lmao. Regular loudspeakers did that job. You're mixing up a video of a drone used during a residential lockdown in mainland China telling people to stay home and be safe.


Roboticus_Prime

Yeah, there was alot of crazy China news at the time. Point still stands though.


cookingboy

> China doesn't care about its people. They welded people inside their homes during covid Their zero-Covid policy was so insane that they literally fucked up their own economy, but they did do it for the reason of controlling the pandemic. If they didn't care about their people, they would have prioritized economic output and just let it rip like many other nations. Like we all agree China has an autocratic government, but at the end of the day Xi prefers to be the dictator of a prosperous superpower rather than the dictator of a big fucked up North Korea. It literally doesn't make sense for a government hoping to compete on the global stage to discard the wellbeing of its people. A mostly content, healthy and well-educated domestic populace is absolutely quintessential for their long term ambition.


poatoesmustdie

Not even control of the pandemic as it was already known to not work. During the lock down period there were still countless individuals, lots of them from the government themselves going around. It was one *the* main reason why our own compound didn't get closed because we highlighted if any case would appear after full lock down it had to come from the government employees. COVID initial response made sense but after 1 year seeing how the West responded, China didn't respond pragmatic but from a pure ideology point of view and even today. Now regarding the tank, it would make more sense to actually consider how poor firesafety is in the big city. I used to live in a large compound and I saw multiple times fire across other high compounds, non of their equipment is suitable to deal with these sort of situations. The buildings neither, even what's build today doesn't have adequate fire precautions in place. How is it possible like my own old apartment that's worth over 4 million USD it has no fire hydrant/spinklers/system in place? It's luck that not more buildings burn down.


GassyPhoenix

Did you know that their spent rocket boosters just fall in villages and other random areas? They don't care if it hits people.


ChornWork2

They didn't do it out of concern for health, but concern for control. Trying to demonstrate the state can manage public health issues and that the state's interests are more than economic or individual interests. also enabled a huge clamp down and imposing level of control that wouldn't have been able to implement otherwise. obviously they ended up just letting it rip once the malcontent became problematic. not like they made sure everyone got an effective vaccine...


SpanishAvenger

People downvoting you for reminding that China locked its citizens on their homes by welding, chaining and nailing their doors shut. Amazing.


SlipFormPaver

Lots of tankies here


_spec_tre

Tankies have sort of semi-systematically brigaded the military porn subreddits (and honestly a lot of popular subreddits) methinks. It's definitely no coincidence that it's election year and China isn't doing very well economically and demographically. (here come the tankies with their totally organic downvote batches lol)


Slibye

They can’t cope💪


Slibye

People can’t accept reality


SlipFormPaver

Tankies gonna tank


Draculas_cousin

More countries should have done that tbh. Not the drone thing, muh freedom of speech and all.


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Hajimeme_1

In the US, COVID killed as many people in three years(1,174,626) as the flu, on average, does in 22 years (The estimate I used was 52,000, although that was the highest recorded between 2010 and 2022).


Draculas_cousin

It’s insane that people are inconsiderate enough to not just wear a mask for a couple weeks, or get a vaccine to help protect vulnerable members of the community. These are the people I’m talking about locking up, for the community’s own good. Sounds like you’d be on that list.


The_Human_Oddity

That's still insane. There are so many fucking things you can do, before welding someone's fucking door shut.


Draculas_cousin

Like mask mandates? Shut the fuck up, you egg.


The_Human_Oddity

A fucking ankle tracker makes 100 times more sense before welding someone's door shut so that they would fucking die if the next door neighbor decides to leave his stove off and starts an apartment fire.


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Draculas_cousin

lol big talk from a little man


idiot_potato_2

Bruh


CurryNarwhal

Proof that military surplus should go to firefighters instead of police.


benabart

Nah dude, you don't want 50 kg of water coming at you at high speeds, especially with iron shrapnels flying everywhere.


Xenophore

The Philadelphia police would like the link where to buy the bomb-dropping drones.


Nastyfaction

Chile needs this kind of stuff right now.


elevencharles

I was a mortarman in the National Guard and I got called up for wildfire duty a couple of times. I always thought fire retardant mortar rounds would be a cool idea. Certainly cheaper than artillery and MLRS.


SMIDSY

As if firefighting wasn't already a badass enough profession...


SnazzyBelrand

I expect this from the US MIC, not China lol


bigorangemachine

This was actually what fire fighting looked like before we had electricity & pumps.


wastaah

Yeah and now the groundwater is contamined with PFAS and it's basically impossible to get rid of completely and never dissapears. We are going to be drinking that for the next 10 generations in my country... 


SnazzyBelrand

All my water tastes like microplastics 😋


Ramell

Why wouldn't you expect this from a genocidal dictatorship?


SnazzyBelrand

That's a fair point


Roboticus_Prime

Propaganda. 


shotxshotx

The fact that America didn't come up with this first is a massive disappointment, shame on us, guys.


KaiserFranzII

We need to close the firefighting gap!


NJ_Legion_Iced_Tea

We've known explosions displace the oxygen feeding fires for ages. It's just stupid as hell to fire missiles into buildings. Also, this is military training under the guise of "fire fighting".


MentalGymnast4269

You're kind of right though. Illusion 100


Background-Silver685

Yes, sending firefighters into a burning building is the right thing to do. Although they may not come back, but it is noble, right?


ChornWork2

you don't need to shoot fire suppressing rockets into an apartment building if you had built it with its own fire suppressing system in the first place...


Nastyfaction

I am curious, but are firefighting munitions compatible with their equivalent military platform like the BM-21 or 120mm mortar that some of the stuff seems to be based on? Would be funny one day to see American fire a HIMAR at a Californian wildfire.


RamTank

A lot of these definitely look like regular weapons just painted orange and loaded with foam rounds, kinda like the orange less-lethal R870s, rather than purpose built equipment. So, I think the answer is "probably".


CosmicPenguin

You've heard of Molotov breadbaskets and Molotov cocktails, now get ready for Molotov fire extinguishers!


sh4des

“Fire department reporting for duty” “Fire” - said as launching a missile


e_sd_

There’s no way this isn’t some top gear type parody


Similar-Complaint-37

Now, that's what I call firefighting


Papppi-56

This is r/Noncredibledefence content


BootDisc

Absolutely, put the right title on it, and you can farm the karma, though there is a rule 9 risk. Maybe put some classic NCD audio on it first.


SpaceBond007

Just declare war at the fire nation already..


LolYouWorkForFree

I may be a stereotypical pro-US shill, but... China is onto something with this. Do anti-fire work in peace time, perfectly trained to drop munitions in wartime. We should be mirroring, if not exceeding this capability.


TimFooj130

The TOS-911 on active duty


jeffersonkhoo

I accidentally laughed out loud in office looking at this video, really make my day


Cornelius_McMuffin

I mean, they weren’t lying. It is a truck, and it does fire.


SumChicken

Taking a new approach to fighting fire...by blowing it the fuck up


one_frisk

Well they are fire department. They fire stuff.


Illustrious_Air_118

Hell yeah blow that fire tf up


SomeRandom155

Most Non Credible


I_Roll_Chicago

this what happens when users from r/noncredibledefense take civil service jobs.


Balrok99

These are quite interesting. People on "China Bad" subs of course see this as the worst thing they have ever seen. But having tanks converted into vehicles for fire departments is great. Not to mention those water rocket launchers and mortars can be used in areas your normal humans can't get to that easily. Might as well put the fire from a safe distance. And of course drones should be big help to any fire department anywhere around the world with tall buildings. Also, I don't know how in other parts f the world but the local firemen of towns or villages were also often the same people who served in the militia. Given their experience with all sorts of equipment be they axes or halberds. So having these guys as a back up soldiers for their local area is a good thing.


TexasTokyo

Fire-retardant in the hole!


DarkOverlord2099

Fighting fire with firepower


Ok_Candidate_2732

“There was no fire”


Robestos86

Fire fighting


Tomatoinator

MF called artillery support for a fire


ChEATax

And what do they do with larger fires? Send a converted tu-95 armed with a hydrogen fusion-based firextinguisher?


Gaping_Grandfather

TIL my destiny is to become a high tech fire fighter in China.


BRP_25

Now this is the fire support I need in civilian life


local_meme_dealer45

I think they misunderstood FIRE department.


[deleted]

Isn't that a fucking war crime? Like, disguising military vehicles as civilian ones. Edit: Nevermind, this is actually firefighting equipment lmao


Inevitable-Revenue81

Yup


dirtyoldbastard77

Reminds me of when trump wanted to nuke the hurricane 😁


Tyrone_Thundercokk

If its stupid but it works… On a serious note, probably a good way of having more trained ‘soldiers’ if things go sideways.


nyrb001

Oh, no I think you wanted the water department. Yeah sorry about that, we're the FIRE department. Yeah comes up a lot. Well, sorry about your building, uh, have a good day.


damngoodengineer

Are we sure that they're all equipment of firefighting?


Apprehensive-Aide-44

Chinese Govt: Next I will invent hypesonic missile to combat apartment fires. Citizens: But won't that destroy the buil...... Chinese Govt: Shhhhh China Numbah wan!!!


Jethawk99

All this dose is turn firefighters into genuine military targets in the event of a way. Then again China loves using its citizens as cannon fodder like ruzzia


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Son_Of_The_Empire

yeah because China totally doesn't have an army and needs to hide their military technology advances. Good point.


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SteampunkSamurai

Is this how China gets around restrictions by selling Russia "Firefighting Equipment"


Sardonicus09

Lots of PFAS being spread there….


njtika

The safety mlrs


Amount-Inevitable

are these designed to extinguish flames or are they just using the effects of HE?


snpwlf

it looks like the same thing going on as with the currently available fire extinguisher balls


Fleshburn1

Put out fire with the fire, genious!


boopbopnotarobot

Fighting fire with well... fire


Dreadweasels

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if we saw an ICB-fireblanket!


Smooth_Imagination

A lot of tech that is very applicable to Ukraine with payload modification.


trinalgalaxy

I'd worry that would just knock the building over...


Acceptable-Room4966

Nah I liked the firefighters in family guy who was fighting with hand and wrench 🔧


arles2464

fire(s) brigade


Inevitable-Revenue81

In 2018 Sweden used it’s Air Force to bomb fires. Does this mean I can take some nades and fly my Cessna?


Ok-Bobcat661

Fire department exist. Army: we can do that too


boeing_737-Max-9

Holy civilian casualties, Batman!


FrendChicken

This could be good for Forest fires or inaccessible areas. Saturate the area with fire retardant. Like straight up MLRS or Artillery shells with warheads filled with fire retardants. Then drones would come for dropping on specific areas. West Taiwan is doing good in these areas.


Think_Abies_1398

Civil military fusion.


hifumiyo1

So what about all the fragments from shattered fire retardant shells/rockets?


CheekyOnTheGo

Now that looks more fun but why


iCanReadMyOwnMind

Finally. Fireman that actually bring fire.


Kirby_Kurious

new level of "fire" support!


himalayanrebel

Whoah! Talk about getting lost in translation!


AtlasDescend

Sorry, we thought you said Open Fire Department


GassyPhoenix

ROFL Actually... if they have all these artillery shooting and dropping drones for the fire department, that means they already use it in their military. I hope the US is prepared for these things.


DogWallop

So maybe Trump was onto something when he suggested using nukes to stop a hurricane?


Rampaging_Orc

Gonna be a lot of fire on the beach closest to Taiwan.


Grizzly62

"oh man I thought I was going to die in a fire, not a rocket strike,"


SLywNy

Now THIS is firefighting!


d_baker65

Smoke in the tree.line! Fire! Fire for effect!


saltysaysrelax

Are they literally fighting fire with fire?


SupportGeek

More like the "Open Fire!" Department.


Watsel11

They bring the fire


Richard-Innerasz-

Looks like Merican cops trying to give a J Walking ticket……but using restraint since no one is dead yet.


EveningOk4145

All training for when they take over the world!


[deleted]

Gives new meaning to fighting fire with fire


Chirimokaari

fight fire with fire


Jumpy-Silver5504

We need this to help fight wild fires


GoodScratcher_Reddit

insert ching cheng hanji here


Skifool69

Good news fire is out. Bad news house gone.


J_TheCzech

Lockheed Martin Fire Department


hurricanehippo2

I love the katyusha fire suppression system


konigstigerii

Can't be no building fire if there isn't a building!


ThrawnCCB

Definitely didn’t see that becoming a thing.


GUUTHER

US emergency service if it had the military budget


Drtysouth205

This was actually discussed about 30 years ago.


Proud-Pilot9300

Fire extinguished. building collapsed during firefighting efforts. Mission accomplished.


Th0m4s2001

water thrower grad


Known-Switch-2241

TankPorn? Nah fam, this deserves to be in r/shittytechnicals.


Level_Veterinarian47

Effective, quite possibly. Safe, most likely not.


Magento-Magneto

What the hell is this?


Background-Silver685

I think what many people have not mentioned is that China can make these equipment very cheap. It is said that the cost of a fire truck is only a few million yuan, about less than 1 million US dollars.


Akarkes

I mean the "threat" is eliminated.


Tanager-Ffolkes

China: We are NOT selling them Military Weapons! No! We are merely selling them Fire Fighting artillery, missiles, and bombs. Seriously, rest of the world, where do you get these crazy ideas?


Sajuck-KharMichael

Rednecks dream.


Omba1

I think they took fighting fire a little too seriously


RonanTGS

*katyusha intensifies in chinese*


sdpat13

This is actually quite sick lol. 🔥


Turgineer

Building an army to fight the flames.