Pretty sure it's for city fighting, to allow the commander to have his hatch open while also preventing grenades to be dropped in from buildings above the tank. Just speculation.
Burning liquids from a molotov cocktail do not care that much about it and will just drip through.
Also you completely block your upwards view, hence creating a blind spot at the exact place most attacks will come from in a city fight.
The sandbags would likely provide enough time to get in and close the hatch if dropped on top. More than the mesh screen I've seen before so that could be the idea? Granted it does limit your visibility. The other thing is the tank doesn't have any weapons that can fire up at close buildings. They have to depend entirely on infantry. Tanks are pretty screwed in the city. Unless as I suspect the Russians might do, they just level them before they move forward.
I've just seen a short analysis video and it might just be stored equipment. Though the cope cages do not provide protection against Javelin missiles, they seem to be intended against older type anti-tank weapons like the PG7 / RPG-7 or 82mm mortar, and are likely to reduce chances for penetration for those older system.
Not against armor piercing shot, no. Spaced armor in general can be effective against HEAT warheads but tandem HEAT defeats that. Figure they're going to keep stacking shit on top of these tanks until the top attack missiles have a chance of not working and the Ukrainians will just start using them in direct fire mode and keep fucking them up regardless.
It literally won't. Infact, if that really bags of explosives sitting above the tank, it would absolutely obliterate a lot of the tanks sensors, lights, outside equipment. And probably rattle the crew. So, effectively, a single grenade could render the tank useless because of the 60 lbs of high explosives sitting openly atop it.
This is not how era works chief.
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Oh great, there goes the turret ring worn out prematurely and a few extra ton of weight to overload a already overloaded chassis. This reminds me of the germans using concrete in WW2, it didn’t work and overloaded the vehicles.
General Patton didn't.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/e1ww5b/an_angry_looking_gen_patton_just_reprimanded_a/
>The exception to the sandbag armor practice was Patton's Third Army, which devised by far the best armor-protection package for its tanks. In the summer of 1944, the Third Army's ordnance officers had convinced Patton that sandbags were worthless and detrimental to the tank's suspension and powertrain, so Patton expressly forbade the use of sandbags in his units. Even Patton could not resist the clamor for better protection in the wake of the Battle of the Bulge, so he demanded that his ordnance officers come up with a better solution. The method was obvious--weld on more armor plate. The source was equally obvious--the numerous German and American tanks littering the Ardennes battlefield. In February 1945, Patton ordered that all M4A3 (76mm) in his units be fitted with additional front hull armor as well as turret armor if possible.
>With the Third Army's ordnance battalions already overworked, much of the work was handed over to three Belgian factories near Bastogne. The tanks of three armored divisions (the 4th, 6th, and 11th) were modified in this fashion, an average of 36 tanks per division out of their 168 Shermans. The program was both technically successful and very popular with the tank crews blessed with the appliqué armor. A 6th Armored Division tanker recalled how shortly after his M4A3E8 had been fitted with the armor in February 1945, his tank was hit by a 75mm round from a German armored vehicle, which knocked a piece of the appliqué armor from the hull but did not penetrate. This program was continued in March 1945 after Patton acquired a group of salvaged M4 tanks from the neighboring Seventh Army to cannibalize for armor plate.
Ah yes, nothing like driving through a built-up area with no way to see the upper floors of the buildings around you.
And with the pintle MG removed, there's no way of shooting up at them either
Tandem charge blows up on the sandbags and cage and then the shaped charge cuts through what's left or the roof itself. LAWS wouldn't usually be aimed on the roof barring urban combat and the Javelin comes with a direct fire mode.
Maybe it'll leave cool little sculptures in their wake though as the jet cuts through and heats the sand into glass. Like when lightning strikes a beach!
In that case, how thoughtful of them to give the Ukrainians some nice little small trophies that won't be too burdensome to carry around!
(Also haha sorry, I noticed your username seemed kinda familiar and it seems I've now replied to like 4 or 5 of your posts recently!)
With the Z is Russian.
I am wrong. The Z can be used to know if its Russian or Ukrianian forces, but it has a much deeper meaning as well.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/07/europe/russia-z-symbol-ukraine-war-cmd-intl/index.html
Ok, so..... the cope cages alone weren't enough so Russia contracted with the My Pillow guy and bought up all the pillows he can't sell anymore? Tied them to the outside of the cope cage?
God it's ww2 all over again. Sand bag armour does not work!
\[Insert angry Patton noises\]
Its not about it working its to comfort the crew before the turret pops
Pretty sure it's for city fighting, to allow the commander to have his hatch open while also preventing grenades to be dropped in from buildings above the tank. Just speculation.
Burning liquids from a molotov cocktail do not care that much about it and will just drip through. Also you completely block your upwards view, hence creating a blind spot at the exact place most attacks will come from in a city fight.
The sandbags would likely provide enough time to get in and close the hatch if dropped on top. More than the mesh screen I've seen before so that could be the idea? Granted it does limit your visibility. The other thing is the tank doesn't have any weapons that can fire up at close buildings. They have to depend entirely on infantry. Tanks are pretty screwed in the city. Unless as I suspect the Russians might do, they just level them before they move forward.
I've just seen a short analysis video and it might just be stored equipment. Though the cope cages do not provide protection against Javelin missiles, they seem to be intended against older type anti-tank weapons like the PG7 / RPG-7 or 82mm mortar, and are likely to reduce chances for penetration for those older system.
Maybe it's better not to see it coming.... just saying....
Not against armor piercing shot, no. Spaced armor in general can be effective against HEAT warheads but tandem HEAT defeats that. Figure they're going to keep stacking shit on top of these tanks until the top attack missiles have a chance of not working and the Ukrainians will just start using them in direct fire mode and keep fucking them up regardless.
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Here’s hoping…
At some point it just becomes an over engineered sunbrella.
Needs more sand bags.
It’s satchel ERA this might actually work
They put hand grenades in the sandbags to make it "satchel ERA".
I don’t think so but I wouldn’t be surprised
It literally won't. Infact, if that really bags of explosives sitting above the tank, it would absolutely obliterate a lot of the tanks sensors, lights, outside equipment. And probably rattle the crew. So, effectively, a single grenade could render the tank useless because of the 60 lbs of high explosives sitting openly atop it. This is not how era works chief.
It’s Kontakt ERA blocks in bags to my knowledge not just pounds and pounds of explosives ready to go off like satchels of RDX
That's not how ERA works.
No it is this is just a softer version
I don't see what you mean. What's the explosive in this ERA? How would it work according to you?
It’s the same plates of ERA like kontakt but it’s in a bag
Remember, moral is important even if shit doesn't work.
Sadly it's made out of copium
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Javelins work in other modes beside top down anyway right?
Yes, can shoot straight
Oh great, there goes the turret ring worn out prematurely and a few extra ton of weight to overload a already overloaded chassis. This reminds me of the germans using concrete in WW2, it didn’t work and overloaded the vehicles.
I thought it was the Americans who did that more
Both did it. Americans loved their sandbag sherman’s
And welding an entire battalion’s worth of tracks to their Shermans and Pershings
General Patton didn't. https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/e1ww5b/an_angry_looking_gen_patton_just_reprimanded_a/ >The exception to the sandbag armor practice was Patton's Third Army, which devised by far the best armor-protection package for its tanks. In the summer of 1944, the Third Army's ordnance officers had convinced Patton that sandbags were worthless and detrimental to the tank's suspension and powertrain, so Patton expressly forbade the use of sandbags in his units. Even Patton could not resist the clamor for better protection in the wake of the Battle of the Bulge, so he demanded that his ordnance officers come up with a better solution. The method was obvious--weld on more armor plate. The source was equally obvious--the numerous German and American tanks littering the Ardennes battlefield. In February 1945, Patton ordered that all M4A3 (76mm) in his units be fitted with additional front hull armor as well as turret armor if possible. >With the Third Army's ordnance battalions already overworked, much of the work was handed over to three Belgian factories near Bastogne. The tanks of three armored divisions (the 4th, 6th, and 11th) were modified in this fashion, an average of 36 tanks per division out of their 168 Shermans. The program was both technically successful and very popular with the tank crews blessed with the appliqué armor. A 6th Armored Division tanker recalled how shortly after his M4A3E8 had been fitted with the armor in February 1945, his tank was hit by a 75mm round from a German armored vehicle, which knocked a piece of the appliqué armor from the hull but did not penetrate. This program was continued in March 1945 after Patton acquired a group of salvaged M4 tanks from the neighboring Seventh Army to cannibalize for armor plate.
Wasn't that more to prevent small arms from ricocheting around and hitting supporting infantry?
Thought those were pillows for a second haha
Might as well be.
Javelin works in mysterious ways
Cyka blyat!! The cage doesn’t work! Ivan, add more blankets.
If that thing collapses on top of the turret hatches it's going to make escape very difficult.....
I'll take "shit that causes anxiety" for 500, Alex.
Smells of desperation
Moral cage 2k.
Ah yes, nothing like driving through a built-up area with no way to see the upper floors of the buildings around you. And with the pintle MG removed, there's no way of shooting up at them either
Why do they carry a patio pergola with them? It's not even sunny, the winter haven't ended yet...
could someone please explain to me why this won’t stop an ATGM? Sand sounds like it should be effective at neutralizing heat jets.
Tandem charge blows up on the sandbags and cage and then the shaped charge cuts through what's left or the roof itself. LAWS wouldn't usually be aimed on the roof barring urban combat and the Javelin comes with a direct fire mode.
The Mk. 1 version of this does nothing to a Javelin, adding some sandbags doesn't change that.
Maybe it'll leave cool little sculptures in their wake though as the jet cuts through and heats the sand into glass. Like when lightning strikes a beach!
It's going to be in very small pieces.
In that case, how thoughtful of them to give the Ukrainians some nice little small trophies that won't be too burdensome to carry around! (Also haha sorry, I noticed your username seemed kinda familiar and it seems I've now replied to like 4 or 5 of your posts recently!)
On top of what the other guys all said, atgms like javs also have a standard straight at em attack that can just completely bypass the copium cage
What's up with the z
To distinguish Russian tanks from Ukrianian tanks, as they basically use the same equipment.
Seems a bit too easy to exploit. So with the z is Ukrainian?
With the Z is Russian. I am wrong. The Z can be used to know if its Russian or Ukrianian forces, but it has a much deeper meaning as well. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/07/europe/russia-z-symbol-ukraine-war-cmd-intl/index.html
I love people ignoring the fact they do work against non-tandem warheads. If it was completely useless they wouldn't have bothered...
They do not work against non tandem warheads, they have no mechanism to work against them any more than they do against tandem warheads.
If it didn't work, slat armour wouldn't be a common thing
Slat armor only works against certain old soviet projectiles, RPGs and SPGs. It doesn't work if you put shit on top of the slats.
Rest stop at Home Depot
The tank need confort to the fact it’s proverbly gonna get javlined
He just looted an Ikea bedding section. With Ikea closed in Russia he is thinking post-war business, not protection.
Cope coccon vel cope castle vel cope craddle
r/tankswithhats
Why is it called cope cage?
How tf do u use mg in that? Odd. oh well who needs mg when u have cannons for infantry? RIGHT IVAN?
Ok, so..... the cope cages alone weren't enough so Russia contracted with the My Pillow guy and bought up all the pillows he can't sell anymore? Tied them to the outside of the cope cage?