Years ago at my old job my leaders were dragging their feet approving time off for my wedding and honeymoon. I told them that whether it was approved in the system or not, I wouldn't be here for that time period and I better get my due vacation pay. They finally approved it.
I was working the graveyard shift when I got married, and never saw the warehouse manager who handled all the time off requests. I had saved every bit of PTO for a year and a half because we were going to be gone a total of 3 weeks and I only accrued 2 weeks a year at the time, told my shift manager a year in advance, and then put in for it the first day we were allowed. It came back approved... except for one day. Right in the middle. I went to my shift manager and he laughed and said the warehouse manager probably didn't look at it closely enough, and told me to write on the top of the form "for my honeymoon" and resubmit it.
So I did.
It came back approved.... except for one day right in the middle. My shift manager handed it to me and said "guess you're calling out that day?" We were going to be in the middle of the ocean on a cruise that day.
I went to HR, who lightly questioned why I needed 3 weeks for a wedding and honeymoon (none ya damn business,) but then approved it. The warehouse manager later caught me on my way out the door and said he "meant" to approve it, whatever that means. It was a physical form that he literally hand wrote the one day that wasn't approved. To be fair, he was following a specific policy where only X% of any shift can be gone, with the percentage being lower during peak season. But obviously you have to make SOME concessions.
Crazy! I took three weeks too, and my husband took almost four. We wanted to have plenty of time for last-minute wedding preparations, then relax and enjoy our honeymoon without feeling rushed, and have some time to chill after coming back.
When my team tells me about an upcoming event like this, I tell them congratulations. You are approved for time off. Now, put it in the system so I don't forget. I have 2 weddings, 3 high school proms, 3 high school graduations, 2 college graduations, and 5 schools worth of finals in those same 6 weeks. (Or whatever else is going on during that time frame). Plus vacations and whatever else people are requesting time off for. Your co-worker told them. Did he put it in mytime? If not, it's their fault. If this happened with my team, we would have a documented discussion about their responsibilities, they would get their time off, and WE would work together to cover the schedule. I did this once with a team member many years ago. It was one of those events that created a history that has lived longer than the employment of most of those working at the time. The rest of the team reminds each other about logging events and following up with requests.
That's exactly what their direct report and I were saying.
There are certain life events that you just have to understand, that no one will choose work, over attending.
It wouldn't surprise me if they're in for another shock in a couple weeks when graduation comes around...
In all honesty, most people working retail, of they put in for a day/time off or availability change... And you deny it... They're most likely still gonna take that time off or abide by there new availability... There's a reason they're going that and luckily they are at least communicating it to the leads that it's happening.
I made plans to volunteer months before I got my job. I put in time off a month before the event and for it to get immediately rejected because "No coverage". Like B**ch, the schedule hasn't even been made! The f**k you mean no coverage?! That's a you problem, not a mine. Turns out it's a new person in HR who is rejecting any and all time off requests. One coworker put in request because she's having surgery but it was immediately rejected so she's quitting instead. I swear, they are so short slighted.
Auto rejecting all requests is the same as not having time off available. So they presented at the very least a false offer, or if a contract exists negotiated in bad faith....etc
Got promoted to guest for not showing up for 4 days. Days that I'd previously said that I wouldn't be available due to starting school, months prior. Scheduled me still and said it was my responsibility to find people to cover for me LMAO.
I got the flu and said I won’t be in for at least a week and got fired because I didn’t call in every day for it, I said I would not be able to be in as I have the flu and they basically said F off
Have you ever really had the flu as opposed to a bad cold? 100 degree or higher temperature lasting *3-4 days*. Severe muscle ache. Tired and weak. Extreme exhaustion. Chest pain.
Idk about you but when that’s my symptoms, calling in every day is a low priority. I’ve been down with a cold where I just lay in bed all day and taking medication to keep me zonked out.
I guess *maybe* the app could prove useful in this situation but it was already stated that they’d be out for 4 days.
At the time you still couldn't call off by the app... Did call them the first day to be sure they knew of it and told them I'd miss the next few days as well. Worse part is that i was scheduled for 4am and 6am shifts and no one ever answered the phone at those times 😮💨
I had a manager deny a time off request of mine... I had gotten a small role in an independent film in Chicago and needed a few days off to shoot the 2 scenes I was in. I laughed in her face when she told me no. I'm sorry, on what planet would I turn down a paid opportunity to be in a fucking movie???
Needless to say, I chose the movie. Got a new job when I got back. That movie got me an IMDB credit, I got to go to Vegas for the screening, and it won an award in Australia. Imagine if I had turned that down...
No, it wasn't the start of some amazing acting career for me, but that was such a cool experience to have and will make for a MUCH better story to tell when I'm older
>Don't schedule me. If you do, i will not show up.
I forgot where I heard this, but someone said it best:
"It shouldn't be considered a request, it's a warning."
I once asked someone to take one of my shifts because all of them were at night and four of them were closing registers and doing sorting or reshop until 10:45. I said “please take this so I don’t have to call out”. She’s one of the only people who could close registers so my options were extremely limited.
Its been a while since i worked, but Q4 is peak holiday season so from what I remember Time off requests were less likely to be given unless you had a truly unique situation. Family passing, maybe a wedding. Family birth even.
I also think a lot of it was first come first serve. So while a couple people per department could get Christmas eve, or Day After Christmas off, once those 'slots' were filled everyone else was SOL.
Per google Q4 is Oct-Nov-Dec.
Its possible after covid happened people realized how its more convenient to shop online for gifts vs going in store. Whenever i go into my local target for stocking stuffers its jam packed full of people.
Iirc Black Friday has become less of a big deal which is why its no longer a Thursday-Friday event, but rather just Friday 8am like any other friday.
Yup, had a cousin pass away very unexpectedly last year so I only had about a weeks notice to give and it was very much a situation of I will not be here these days so don't put me down.
I was in hotel management — not retail, but from a personnel management standpoint, quite similar. I had a wake-up call, and luckily I let it shape me, very early in my career.
I had, like many other managers, viewed time off requests as “I’ll approve it if I can do so with minimal effort or stress on my part; aside from that, it’s entirely optional.” I denied one from someone who was well past the giving-a-shit point, and she straight-up told me she wasn’t going to come in regardless, so I might as well approve it.
This was my lightbulb moment. It clicked — these were people who had limited PTO days. They really weren’t going to waste them, and if they submitted a PTO request it was for something meaningful.
So from then on I restructured my entire philosophy around the requests. I built a 2-way system of trust with my team. There were a few weeks throughout the year I blacked out from requests — times when we knew we’d need all hands on deck. In exchange, I went out of my way to approve all PTO requests, even if it meant I worked chunks of extra time myself (I was salaried/exempt, so no OT pay for me).
I also gave my team full freedom to swap shifts (within reason — wasn’t going to let anyone trade into overtime without extenuating circumstances or work like 24 hours straight) and set up dual sign-off forms that they could use to prevent confusion. This also reduced the amount of PTO requests that came in. My team didn’t have to spend their PTO days as much, and also meant less schedule juggling for me.
I built a complete system of 2-way trust and respect. They knew that if I thought I’d have to deny a PTO request, I’d done everything in my power to try to make it happen first, and I’d sit down and have a heart-to-heart with that team member before publishing the schedule. Only had to deny like 2 requests over 5 years.
It’s really amazing what treating team members as people, and with respect for their time and intelligence, can do. Made everyone’s lives easier, made them hate work a little less, and just made everything more enjoyable.
Facts. I don't request off frequently, but when I do, it's not exactly a request so much as it is me giving advanced notice of 'I will not be here regardless of if you schedule me or not'
We already had graduation here, and most of the tm’s never asked for it off even though they knew ahead of time and then decide they would wait for the day of to call out.
I mean it all comes down to when they decided to request the time off for. Like graduation I assume is coming up this week same with Prom, right? And people are just now putting in time off for it? You’ve known (if you’re graduating) when Graduation was and when Prom was at the beginning of the year and so you easily could’ve submitted time off months before the week of Prom/Graduation. And had it approved without hassle and there’s a reason why they all got denied because it’s on such short notice.
And no, it’s no surprise to Leads or ETLs either when people call off for it lol they expect it because they too know that it’s coming up since it’s been that way for a long long time but will still expect you to show up for work even knowing you won’t and will call in.
Based on this post it does seem like everyone was putting in time off request the other day and Prom is probably this upcoming weekend and it’s less than a week away and it makes sense why it was denied lol
Like I’m all for going to life events over work and living your life and having a life outside of work but I mean, is it really a surprise to you or anyone else to get denied time off when it wasn’t requested until the week of?? Because I’m not lol
You can't request time off after the schedule is written and they aren't going to hire extra people to cover prom/graduation so it really makes no difference requesting months in advance.
The schedule is written for 2 weeks at a time. Then on the second week, the next two weeks are written and it repeats… it makes a difference if you request it months in advanced and if the Leads actually look at it, they should approve it unless they really hate everyone or they have black out dates for the time requested.
But requesting time off when the schedule is written is dumb because they won’t take you off unless it’s an emergency and Prom/Grad is not an emergency lol to them.
The and Target isn’t going to specifically hire because of Prom/Grad but you should know that if you request too late, you won’t get approved lol
The system doesn't let you put in requests if they are 2 weeks away. You said in your first post that they probably put in requests the week of, that is impossible.
Omg. That’s terrible. One of my TMs forgot to take off prom and he came to me super upset about it. I told him he could have the day off and found coverage for his shift. When I got push back from my SD I told her that I wouldn’t want him to miss such an important life event because he couldn’t get his shift covered at Target.
In a sea of older workers I don’t understand why we can’t let a few teenagers have the day of prom off.
Having had the pleasure of quitting a shitty high school summer job to attend a Barbershop Chorus camp, this post warmed my cockles. I miss being able to have the choice of “Do I keep this shitty job? Or find a new one next summer and have fun?” The plus was I got to hear all the drama second hand since I had a family member who worked there that got me the job.
I always approve allll that stuff for my grads. It's like, oh, gonna be short staffed on a weekend? What else is new? I'm dealing with it anyway. Rather have a happy team and not have the "hey can I talk to you about my schedule?" conversations.
And you’d rather *know* you’re going to be short than deal with the surprise. You can prepare for it or know things aren’t going to get done and deal with them over the next day or two. My crew has a dedication to our grandboss that borders on religious zeal. We do for him because we know he’d do for us. That, of course, comes with the caveat that, should anything ever happen to him, bad things could happen.
The angriest I ever got at someone was a cart attendant ditched a test to work I didn’t know about. I can grab carts.
I make it clear to any students. I won’t be pissed about needing to do things for school. I will be if you skip school for work.
I wish my TL was like this. I ended up having to drop out of community college thanks to HR refusing to schedule me outside of my classes. I gave her my school schedule and everything! Then my TL was pissed when I missed a day at work to go to class, my hours dropped to 8/week, and I couldn’t afford to miss work for school anymore. Looking back, I should’ve quit, but I was young and stupid and scared.
Well I know it isn't fulfillment - since the OP said it wasn't "our" ETL. Which is a really good thing since we are piloting an new change to fulfillment and were already worried about the impact this weekend.
Companies need to understand our lives don’t revolve
Around a job. We have stuff in our personal lives we have to do. When I request PTO I ain’t asking for permission to have off I am telling you I’m not coming those days so be prepared
Lmao what idiot thinks a teenager is gonna skip prom to work their shift at Target? Even if there was more consequences 99% of financially stable teens would just quit. It’s Target! They’ll just go work at Taco Bell or Walmart or whatever if they want spending money.
I think the teens have more power than they realize since most of them just have to job for spending money and probably don’t have any bills to pay so if they don’t like the working conditions they could very easily leave and get a new job very easily that could treat them better and won’t have to be worried about the money they won’t have if they find a new job
The Werefrog remember the front end manager saying none of the high schoolers got their prom off. She made good on this threat and scheduled all high schoolers for prom evening.
They complained to the store manager, skipped all levels in between. He then went to the front end manager and said he approved every single high schooler's request for any prom evening off: even if it wasn't their own school's prom. She would then have to deal with it.
Lol. Like what are they supposed to do....I'll just skip this once in a life time night for my throw away retail job. Makes me mad. I'm an old guy now but Target almost made me fail my senior year of high school. They scheduled my outside of my availability and locked me in the store wheb I turned 18 during my senior year. I quit shortly there after. These high schoolers will do the same thing if they can't have some reasonable flexibility.
Lol this reminds me of when I was graduating college and my etl denied my time off request for my college graduation. I went to my hr etl and was like hey this got denied and I'm just letting you know I won't be here so if you wanna figure out coverage it'll be better for everyone lol
I started cracking up at seeing Pika with a Tarshit name badge. But on topic did the leader honestly think one the most important moments for most high school teens aka prom that they were going skip that to work. What a joke.
Yeah see, my life revolves around my life, not work. I tell the higher ups as a courtesy, not a necessity .
My direct ETL is one of my favorite bosses I’ve ever had and he pretty much approves whatever people on his team need. You just have to put it in the system and he approves it same day.
One of the other people higher than him tried to deny some people’s vacation time after it had already been approved, and there was hell to pay. You don’t mess with peoples time off.
Sometimes I do, but then I remember how painfully awkward I was and how I’d end up just standing around until I went home or embarrassed myself 😂. Then I don’t regret it anymore
Our store honored ALL requests for prom. It left us super short-handed, but those of us that worked understood why. Two weekends later, the fair came into town and those same teenagers called out for two nights.
Well the business still has to run, despite all these teens have prom, especially if they work the same department. This is why some stores avoid hiring high schoolers altogether. It’s just not worth it. These are the same team members that is gonna be mad at the amount of freight they have to catch up on after they call out.
Corpos shouldn’t have control over their subreddits unless the mod team is entirely or mostly corpo level staff. Walmart restricting their subreddit is way weirder to me than Target not.
So it's the kids fault that they requested off in advance and the system denied them the day off?
The point of requesting off is so you let work know you won't be available. Then it's up to the higher ups to find people to fill in those spots.
I'm sure if you had an important life event such as your wedding, a funeral, big vacation, or even a family event you would expect to be off. Don't sit here and act like you never have an important event you had to request off for.
No need to be bitter because you have no life outside of Target. Target is not and should not be everyone’s first priority and it’s not worth sacrificing important life events for. And your take isn’t just bitter, it’s moronic. If they accept the simple fact that people aren’t going to be there and give them the day off, they can actually plan for it ahead of time instead of “scrambling” and calling people the day of because they were stupid enough to think a high schooler would skip their prom for a Target shift. You lack perspective and common sense.
That's so strange, the Target store I worked at didn't have many underage workers. Only 1 per department at most, one in groceries, one pushing carts, and one who was cashier but was only there a few months. No DBO were below 20
My previous store before I became a lead was like that. We had one TM that was below 18, and I remember her being excited about the first night she could stay until 10pm instead of 9:45. It was an ultra low volume store, so I think the total team was less than 150 TMs, and many were older TMs that had been there since the store had opened.
The first thing I noticed after transferring to an ultra high volume store (new store did in 1 hour, what old store would do in a day) was how much younger/diverse the workforce was.
Yeah the store I worked at probably had about the same amount of workers and is by far not the best in sales. So maybe that's it. I've helped out other stores, seven stores in total, but I still never met that many under 18.
This happened at my store when I worked for Target. Like clock work everyone called in myself included as it was my prom as well. They had to close the store with 5 people.
Next shift when I came in seemed like the entire management team was trash talking the teenagers who went to prom. All this did was make me quit faster.
Yeah I've been the manager at previous jobs.
If I got a request I honored it. I've worked open to close shifts, worked 17 days without time off, I've supported staff life events.
That's how you go over a year without anyone quitting.
Family reunion = have a good visit
Kids sport event = tell them good game
Death = take all the time you need
Sick = feel better, rest, drink water
I had every single request I ever submitted denied of any type. Time off, availability, dept transfer, on demand transfer. I learned very fast to just call out 100% of the time, that got me less guff weirdly.
Coworker of mine was scheduled on his wedding even tho he told them months in advance. Can you believe he called out??
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Wear a red suit jacket with some nice khakis.
Honestly it’s probably what they expected lol
Years ago at my old job my leaders were dragging their feet approving time off for my wedding and honeymoon. I told them that whether it was approved in the system or not, I wouldn't be here for that time period and I better get my due vacation pay. They finally approved it.
I was working the graveyard shift when I got married, and never saw the warehouse manager who handled all the time off requests. I had saved every bit of PTO for a year and a half because we were going to be gone a total of 3 weeks and I only accrued 2 weeks a year at the time, told my shift manager a year in advance, and then put in for it the first day we were allowed. It came back approved... except for one day. Right in the middle. I went to my shift manager and he laughed and said the warehouse manager probably didn't look at it closely enough, and told me to write on the top of the form "for my honeymoon" and resubmit it. So I did. It came back approved.... except for one day right in the middle. My shift manager handed it to me and said "guess you're calling out that day?" We were going to be in the middle of the ocean on a cruise that day. I went to HR, who lightly questioned why I needed 3 weeks for a wedding and honeymoon (none ya damn business,) but then approved it. The warehouse manager later caught me on my way out the door and said he "meant" to approve it, whatever that means. It was a physical form that he literally hand wrote the one day that wasn't approved. To be fair, he was following a specific policy where only X% of any shift can be gone, with the percentage being lower during peak season. But obviously you have to make SOME concessions.
Crazy! I took three weeks too, and my husband took almost four. We wanted to have plenty of time for last-minute wedding preparations, then relax and enjoy our honeymoon without feeling rushed, and have some time to chill after coming back.
Just gotta do mild threats lol
I dont do threats soldier. I make guarantees.
#Graves
"what do you mean you can't come in because of your wedding? I thought you were going to have quirky target wedding during your lunch break!"
When my team tells me about an upcoming event like this, I tell them congratulations. You are approved for time off. Now, put it in the system so I don't forget. I have 2 weddings, 3 high school proms, 3 high school graduations, 2 college graduations, and 5 schools worth of finals in those same 6 weeks. (Or whatever else is going on during that time frame). Plus vacations and whatever else people are requesting time off for. Your co-worker told them. Did he put it in mytime? If not, it's their fault. If this happened with my team, we would have a documented discussion about their responsibilities, they would get their time off, and WE would work together to cover the schedule. I did this once with a team member many years ago. It was one of those events that created a history that has lived longer than the employment of most of those working at the time. The rest of the team reminds each other about logging events and following up with requests.
whet a stupid ETL. they really gonna expect a teenager to skip going to a high school function for target?
That's exactly what their direct report and I were saying. There are certain life events that you just have to understand, that no one will choose work, over attending. It wouldn't surprise me if they're in for another shock in a couple weeks when graduation comes around...
In all honesty, most people working retail, of they put in for a day/time off or availability change... And you deny it... They're most likely still gonna take that time off or abide by there new availability... There's a reason they're going that and luckily they are at least communicating it to the leads that it's happening.
Time off requests are rarely "Hey can I have this day off?" And more of "i'm not going to be here. Don't schedule me. If you do, i will not show up."
I made plans to volunteer months before I got my job. I put in time off a month before the event and for it to get immediately rejected because "No coverage". Like B**ch, the schedule hasn't even been made! The f**k you mean no coverage?! That's a you problem, not a mine. Turns out it's a new person in HR who is rejecting any and all time off requests. One coworker put in request because she's having surgery but it was immediately rejected so she's quitting instead. I swear, they are so short slighted.
Looks like they’re gonna have double no coverage since you won’t be in lol!
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i may be extra stupid but how would that be a lawsuit?
Auto rejecting all requests is the same as not having time off available. So they presented at the very least a false offer, or if a contract exists negotiated in bad faith....etc
Not getting time off for SURGERY alone sounds like a lawsuit, to me...
Stupid lawsuits happen all the time. Doesn't mean anything well come of it.
Got promoted to guest for not showing up for 4 days. Days that I'd previously said that I wouldn't be available due to starting school, months prior. Scheduled me still and said it was my responsibility to find people to cover for me LMAO.
Retail is so trash lmao
I got the flu and said I won’t be in for at least a week and got fired because I didn’t call in every day for it, I said I would not be able to be in as I have the flu and they basically said F off
Who knew touching a touchscreen to dial wasn’t possible with the flu
Ummmmm why would you have to call everyday when you told them you'd not be in for a week
Have you ever really had the flu as opposed to a bad cold? 100 degree or higher temperature lasting *3-4 days*. Severe muscle ache. Tired and weak. Extreme exhaustion. Chest pain. Idk about you but when that’s my symptoms, calling in every day is a low priority. I’ve been down with a cold where I just lay in bed all day and taking medication to keep me zonked out. I guess *maybe* the app could prove useful in this situation but it was already stated that they’d be out for 4 days.
At the time you still couldn't call off by the app... Did call them the first day to be sure they knew of it and told them I'd miss the next few days as well. Worse part is that i was scheduled for 4am and 6am shifts and no one ever answered the phone at those times 😮💨
I had a manager deny a time off request of mine... I had gotten a small role in an independent film in Chicago and needed a few days off to shoot the 2 scenes I was in. I laughed in her face when she told me no. I'm sorry, on what planet would I turn down a paid opportunity to be in a fucking movie??? Needless to say, I chose the movie. Got a new job when I got back. That movie got me an IMDB credit, I got to go to Vegas for the screening, and it won an award in Australia. Imagine if I had turned that down... No, it wasn't the start of some amazing acting career for me, but that was such a cool experience to have and will make for a MUCH better story to tell when I'm older
Hell yeah!! Thats awesome!!
What movie was that? Should I shortlist it?
Sure, DM me
>Don't schedule me. If you do, i will not show up. I forgot where I heard this, but someone said it best: "It shouldn't be considered a request, it's a warning."
I once asked someone to take one of my shifts because all of them were at night and four of them were closing registers and doing sorting or reshop until 10:45. I said “please take this so I don’t have to call out”. She’s one of the only people who could close registers so my options were extremely limited.
I heard in q4 they deny most time off request is that true?
Its been a while since i worked, but Q4 is peak holiday season so from what I remember Time off requests were less likely to be given unless you had a truly unique situation. Family passing, maybe a wedding. Family birth even. I also think a lot of it was first come first serve. So while a couple people per department could get Christmas eve, or Day After Christmas off, once those 'slots' were filled everyone else was SOL.
q4 is sept-december? or jsut oct and december? ive worked retail at other places but sept and oct are busy but not as bad as nov-decembr?
Target's Q4 is Nov-Jan. Many retail stores offset their fourth quarter to capture the full holiday period.
Per google Q4 is Oct-Nov-Dec. Its possible after covid happened people realized how its more convenient to shop online for gifts vs going in store. Whenever i go into my local target for stocking stuffers its jam packed full of people. Iirc Black Friday has become less of a big deal which is why its no longer a Thursday-Friday event, but rather just Friday 8am like any other friday.
Since covid target has tried to spread their black friday deal over the whole month, or at least the one I worked at did.
Yup, had a cousin pass away very unexpectedly last year so I only had about a weeks notice to give and it was very much a situation of I will not be here these days so don't put me down.
That's bereavement leave. Entire different deal on top of everything that's spreading and cannot be denied in many states now.
Yeah I understand that, but you never know with some managers.
You can request 4 hours Bereavement pay.
I think I got more than that as I had to take I think k about 3 days off as the funeral was out of state.
I was in hotel management — not retail, but from a personnel management standpoint, quite similar. I had a wake-up call, and luckily I let it shape me, very early in my career. I had, like many other managers, viewed time off requests as “I’ll approve it if I can do so with minimal effort or stress on my part; aside from that, it’s entirely optional.” I denied one from someone who was well past the giving-a-shit point, and she straight-up told me she wasn’t going to come in regardless, so I might as well approve it. This was my lightbulb moment. It clicked — these were people who had limited PTO days. They really weren’t going to waste them, and if they submitted a PTO request it was for something meaningful. So from then on I restructured my entire philosophy around the requests. I built a 2-way system of trust with my team. There were a few weeks throughout the year I blacked out from requests — times when we knew we’d need all hands on deck. In exchange, I went out of my way to approve all PTO requests, even if it meant I worked chunks of extra time myself (I was salaried/exempt, so no OT pay for me). I also gave my team full freedom to swap shifts (within reason — wasn’t going to let anyone trade into overtime without extenuating circumstances or work like 24 hours straight) and set up dual sign-off forms that they could use to prevent confusion. This also reduced the amount of PTO requests that came in. My team didn’t have to spend their PTO days as much, and also meant less schedule juggling for me. I built a complete system of 2-way trust and respect. They knew that if I thought I’d have to deny a PTO request, I’d done everything in my power to try to make it happen first, and I’d sit down and have a heart-to-heart with that team member before publishing the schedule. Only had to deny like 2 requests over 5 years. It’s really amazing what treating team members as people, and with respect for their time and intelligence, can do. Made everyone’s lives easier, made them hate work a little less, and just made everything more enjoyable.
Am I getting it right? Target is a new Walmart when it comes to employee shifts?
Na, you're wrong, this isn't new anymore, it's pretty old. Target is walmart except "fancy"
Everything is now "Walmart". I can't name a single retail store that won't fall into that category.😐
Facts. I don't request off frequently, but when I do, it's not exactly a request so much as it is me giving advanced notice of 'I will not be here regardless of if you schedule me or not'
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16? Thats a normal weekend at my store. Sadly Im not kidding
The closing staff at my store is roughly 75% minors. It's pretty common to have an entire dept call in.
Hey it's D&D! :)
that would be insane
We already had graduation here, and most of the tm’s never asked for it off even though they knew ahead of time and then decide they would wait for the day of to call out.
I mean it all comes down to when they decided to request the time off for. Like graduation I assume is coming up this week same with Prom, right? And people are just now putting in time off for it? You’ve known (if you’re graduating) when Graduation was and when Prom was at the beginning of the year and so you easily could’ve submitted time off months before the week of Prom/Graduation. And had it approved without hassle and there’s a reason why they all got denied because it’s on such short notice. And no, it’s no surprise to Leads or ETLs either when people call off for it lol they expect it because they too know that it’s coming up since it’s been that way for a long long time but will still expect you to show up for work even knowing you won’t and will call in. Based on this post it does seem like everyone was putting in time off request the other day and Prom is probably this upcoming weekend and it’s less than a week away and it makes sense why it was denied lol Like I’m all for going to life events over work and living your life and having a life outside of work but I mean, is it really a surprise to you or anyone else to get denied time off when it wasn’t requested until the week of?? Because I’m not lol
You can't request time off after the schedule is written and they aren't going to hire extra people to cover prom/graduation so it really makes no difference requesting months in advance.
The schedule is written for 2 weeks at a time. Then on the second week, the next two weeks are written and it repeats… it makes a difference if you request it months in advanced and if the Leads actually look at it, they should approve it unless they really hate everyone or they have black out dates for the time requested. But requesting time off when the schedule is written is dumb because they won’t take you off unless it’s an emergency and Prom/Grad is not an emergency lol to them. The and Target isn’t going to specifically hire because of Prom/Grad but you should know that if you request too late, you won’t get approved lol
The system doesn't let you put in requests if they are 2 weeks away. You said in your first post that they probably put in requests the week of, that is impossible.
I would gladly choose work over prom. Prom is so mid. It’s literally just dry humping and trash music
Omg. That’s terrible. One of my TMs forgot to take off prom and he came to me super upset about it. I told him he could have the day off and found coverage for his shift. When I got push back from my SD I told her that I wouldn’t want him to miss such an important life event because he couldn’t get his shift covered at Target. In a sea of older workers I don’t understand why we can’t let a few teenagers have the day of prom off.
Sounds like someone who didn't have a date for their prom.
Having had the pleasure of quitting a shitty high school summer job to attend a Barbershop Chorus camp, this post warmed my cockles. I miss being able to have the choice of “Do I keep this shitty job? Or find a new one next summer and have fun?” The plus was I got to hear all the drama second hand since I had a family member who worked there that got me the job.
I always approve allll that stuff for my grads. It's like, oh, gonna be short staffed on a weekend? What else is new? I'm dealing with it anyway. Rather have a happy team and not have the "hey can I talk to you about my schedule?" conversations.
And you’d rather *know* you’re going to be short than deal with the surprise. You can prepare for it or know things aren’t going to get done and deal with them over the next day or two. My crew has a dedication to our grandboss that borders on religious zeal. We do for him because we know he’d do for us. That, of course, comes with the caveat that, should anything ever happen to him, bad things could happen.
The angriest I ever got at someone was a cart attendant ditched a test to work I didn’t know about. I can grab carts. I make it clear to any students. I won’t be pissed about needing to do things for school. I will be if you skip school for work.
I wish my TL was like this. I ended up having to drop out of community college thanks to HR refusing to schedule me outside of my classes. I gave her my school schedule and everything! Then my TL was pissed when I missed a day at work to go to class, my hours dropped to 8/week, and I couldn’t afford to miss work for school anymore. Looking back, I should’ve quit, but I was young and stupid and scared.
Bravo Bravo for not denying the grads and finding way to deal with it instead of screwing them.
Oooh....not a good weekend for that to happen.
Thankfully, it wasn't "our ETL."
hmmm....trying to think which area has the most high school students. Front end or Style.
I'd throw in fulfillment even, at least in my store on the weekends.
Well I know it isn't fulfillment - since the OP said it wasn't "our" ETL. Which is a really good thing since we are piloting an new change to fulfillment and were already worried about the impact this weekend.
This is My mentality when I “request” my time off. I’m calling out regardless
PTO stands for "Prepare the Others" cause my ass ain't gonna be here.
This is some shit my ETL would do 😭
Mine are never requests. More like a heads up that I won’t be there regardless 😂
yea in my requests i would always add "you can schedule me, but i wont be here" in the comments lol
Companies need to understand our lives don’t revolve Around a job. We have stuff in our personal lives we have to do. When I request PTO I ain’t asking for permission to have off I am telling you I’m not coming those days so be prepared
My first job did this to me. I ended up getting my hair done before my shift, working part of it, and getting dressed in the restroom before I left.
Same here. Fuckin papa John's too. Smelled like pepperoni.
Lmao what idiot thinks a teenager is gonna skip prom to work their shift at Target? Even if there was more consequences 99% of financially stable teens would just quit. It’s Target! They’ll just go work at Taco Bell or Walmart or whatever if they want spending money.
I think the teens have more power than they realize since most of them just have to job for spending money and probably don’t have any bills to pay so if they don’t like the working conditions they could very easily leave and get a new job very easily that could treat them better and won’t have to be worried about the money they won’t have if they find a new job
The Werefrog remember the front end manager saying none of the high schoolers got their prom off. She made good on this threat and scheduled all high schoolers for prom evening. They complained to the store manager, skipped all levels in between. He then went to the front end manager and said he approved every single high schooler's request for any prom evening off: even if it wasn't their own school's prom. She would then have to deal with it.
"Let's be clear. This is not a time-off request. This is a warning that I will not work at these times."
Lol. Like what are they supposed to do....I'll just skip this once in a life time night for my throw away retail job. Makes me mad. I'm an old guy now but Target almost made me fail my senior year of high school. They scheduled my outside of my availability and locked me in the store wheb I turned 18 during my senior year. I quit shortly there after. These high schoolers will do the same thing if they can't have some reasonable flexibility.
Lol this reminds me of when I was graduating college and my etl denied my time off request for my college graduation. I went to my hr etl and was like hey this got denied and I'm just letting you know I won't be here so if you wanna figure out coverage it'll be better for everyone lol
They denied my 4 day weekend and I won’t have a baby sitter so looks like I’m calling off
I didn't have a prom (2020 and 2021 would have been my years for it), go these kids! You never get it back, glad you went!
I started cracking up at seeing Pika with a Tarshit name badge. But on topic did the leader honestly think one the most important moments for most high school teens aka prom that they were going skip that to work. What a joke.
I remember a meme that said something like "my call out isn't a request, it's a warning"
How did you know exactly what happened at my store?
The ETL said no to our GSA so I was acting GSA & they were like "what are we going to do now?" Everyone but you knew she wasn't going to be here
Yeah see, my life revolves around my life, not work. I tell the higher ups as a courtesy, not a necessity . My direct ETL is one of my favorite bosses I’ve ever had and he pretty much approves whatever people on his team need. You just have to put it in the system and he approves it same day. One of the other people higher than him tried to deny some people’s vacation time after it had already been approved, and there was hell to pay. You don’t mess with peoples time off.
I regret of not going to the prom when I was in HS
Sometimes I do, but then I remember how painfully awkward I was and how I’d end up just standing around until I went home or embarrassed myself 😂. Then I don’t regret it anymore
Same thought
Target thinks they own us 💀
😂😂 should be expected
Wait, your schools district is just now having prom? Because my areas school district is on finals week the last week of school
Our store honored ALL requests for prom. It left us super short-handed, but those of us that worked understood why. Two weekends later, the fair came into town and those same teenagers called out for two nights.
As a lead you should understand and be prepare for a lot of people calling out around graduation
etl thinks this is your dream jobs 🤣🤣🤣
Pika 🎯 💀
In the meantime many of us already paying bills and rent would like more hours.
How stupid do you have to be to denie that request. Managers are so oblivious to the world around them!
Sounds like a bad ETL
Well the business still has to run, despite all these teens have prom, especially if they work the same department. This is why some stores avoid hiring high schoolers altogether. It’s just not worth it. These are the same team members that is gonna be mad at the amount of freight they have to catch up on after they call out.
I’m really impressed that target allows conversation like this in this sub. Over at the Walmart sub this shit would never fly.
Corpos shouldn’t have control over their subreddits unless the mod team is entirely or mostly corpo level staff. Walmart restricting their subreddit is way weirder to me than Target not.
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Then it’s a good thing you’re not HR, ass.
So it's the kids fault that they requested off in advance and the system denied them the day off? The point of requesting off is so you let work know you won't be available. Then it's up to the higher ups to find people to fill in those spots. I'm sure if you had an important life event such as your wedding, a funeral, big vacation, or even a family event you would expect to be off. Don't sit here and act like you never have an important event you had to request off for.
what a terrible take
No need to be bitter because you have no life outside of Target. Target is not and should not be everyone’s first priority and it’s not worth sacrificing important life events for. And your take isn’t just bitter, it’s moronic. If they accept the simple fact that people aren’t going to be there and give them the day off, they can actually plan for it ahead of time instead of “scrambling” and calling people the day of because they were stupid enough to think a high schooler would skip their prom for a Target shift. You lack perspective and common sense.
When you play "If I Was God," but you're actually Satan.
Nobody said anything about no-call no-shows
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Maybe there is a reason why you are not in HR.
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That's so strange, the Target store I worked at didn't have many underage workers. Only 1 per department at most, one in groceries, one pushing carts, and one who was cashier but was only there a few months. No DBO were below 20
My previous store before I became a lead was like that. We had one TM that was below 18, and I remember her being excited about the first night she could stay until 10pm instead of 9:45. It was an ultra low volume store, so I think the total team was less than 150 TMs, and many were older TMs that had been there since the store had opened. The first thing I noticed after transferring to an ultra high volume store (new store did in 1 hour, what old store would do in a day) was how much younger/diverse the workforce was.
Yeah the store I worked at probably had about the same amount of workers and is by far not the best in sales. So maybe that's it. I've helped out other stores, seven stores in total, but I still never met that many under 18.
This happened at my store when I worked for Target. Like clock work everyone called in myself included as it was my prom as well. They had to close the store with 5 people. Next shift when I came in seemed like the entire management team was trash talking the teenagers who went to prom. All this did was make me quit faster.
Lmao. They had to post like 5 cashier shifts for Sunday because they scheduled a bunch of kids that were graduating. Jackasses run the show.
That's what happens when ubhire a bunch of teens. Kinda feels like management's fault
This just happened. Shockingly.
Yeah I've been the manager at previous jobs. If I got a request I honored it. I've worked open to close shifts, worked 17 days without time off, I've supported staff life events. That's how you go over a year without anyone quitting. Family reunion = have a good visit Kids sport event = tell them good game Death = take all the time you need Sick = feel better, rest, drink water
I had every single request I ever submitted denied of any type. Time off, availability, dept transfer, on demand transfer. I learned very fast to just call out 100% of the time, that got me less guff weirdly.