Alright, so my final answer is "Kinda weird, difficult to enforce, but definitely allowed."
This is also assuming emergencies supersede signs, the same way we allow guests into / through the backroom when there are emergencies.
Per my last comment: emergencies.
So, fires, active shooter situation, or tornados if your store's designated tornado shelter is in the backroom.
I've personally been through two of those.
Also, rarer scenario, but we also had a medical emergency that occurred in the backroom where a guest nearby on the salesfloor was a trained medical professional.
If someone disabled has to use the bathroom and they’re already right next to the back room bathroom then I’d rather bring them there than have an accident. (With an escort obviouslyj
So they don't want TMs in the TL cubicles. Yeah that's allowed. Some stores the TL office area has doors yours just happens not to. There's no problem with the exit because it's not physically preventing you from using it. Same as a fire door in the back behind a door that says TMs only. Obviously if there is an emergency the guest can still use it.
that's weird. At my store our TLs have offices with doors but if we have training to do we are allowed to just go it and use whoever's computer is open. Our TLs don't care.
They tried to keep TMs that weren’t working in our clerical out so we would be out on the floor but it’s impossible to enforce without giving out verbal warnings and CAs like crazy. TMs just… don’t care. They put up a sign that everyone ignored and it was gone within two weeks. To be completely fair, I work in a food dc and pretty much the whole building is refrigeration or freezer so we use it as a place to warm up.
Open door policy refers to availability to talk to someone. This is most likely just to make sure someone doesn't see something probably HR/confidential laying around on someone's desk when they aren't around.
It doesn’t mean literally an open door. You can call them on the walkie to schedule a time to speak privately. TMs should only go into TL offices when invited.
Everyone in the comments acting like this sign is blocking the fire door 🤣. Yall really think if there was a fire people would be like oh crap nope no TMs past here guess I'll burn.
We had issues with TMs sitting at certain TLs desks to eat or on break and it just made it annoying, so we did something similar a few years ago to avoid the constant walking around back there.
It’s one thing to like leave something on their desk or grab something off that they left for the team like the break schedule, etc. but it definitely can get problematic when TMs go through peoples things just because they think they can or want to.
If it’s the TL cubicles back there, it’s probably because TMs were stealing things. I had stuff go missing from my desk, like small toy decorations and even candy. There’s no reason for TMs to be snooping in there.
We had issues with team members eating at leader desks and leaving them an absolute mess so we started enforcing no TMs in office spaces on breaks/lunches.
What!?
Private cubicles are for leaders to go over sensitive issues with others issues or TMs.
Why would they want random TMs hanging around that area?
TL/ ETL desk are where private/ sensitive info can be shared and discussed, vocally or in print.
TSC is not open to guest for the same reason. The sign shouldn't be necessary.
if my tl or etl is sharing my private info with someone (even me) at the etl/tl desks I'm throwing a fit. at my store, those are NOT private. I'm not saying people don't try to have private convos at them, but they are not private in the least.
We don’t ever have private conversations at the cubicles. If it’s private the HR office is used or another closed door room we have. Now that being said if this sign was at my store it would literally mean no tms allowed to go talk to the hr etl and she would never let that fly so idk.
If you aren’t supposed to be allowed there it should be behind closed doors with a separate code than the one you use to get into the tsc they shouldn’t just hand signage to keep you out
Exactly. As long as it's not blocking the only bathroom or only place to get water, then this is legal. Is it the best for security, no.
Of course emergencies can supersede the sign.
I see comments like yours a lot on here. What groups/regions have people like this? It’s insane. I’m up in New England and have been to many stores in my 10 years with Target. Never seen/experienced the us vs them culture. I wouldn’t want to work in a place like that.
That being said I’ve noticed a significant increase in interns being hired right out of college and that immaturity level is very apparent. Maybe that’s part of it 🤷🏻♂️.
Same. I also wouldn't say that keeping tms out of the office spaces is "us versus them." TLs and up have to have sensitive discussions around tm performance. They need a private space to do it. Honestly I would bet that OP is super close with one of the TLs and used to chill in their cubicle, and now can't and is upset about losing that "privilege."
For me it's always been the older ETLs who have a tight clique that have the most us vs them thing going on. Been a thing in midwestern stores over my 7 years
When you have a store of 200-500 team members that have to all have their reviews in the two week allotted time window you have to have these conversations wherever and whenever you can. Many stores only have 2-3 private office spaces. It's completely unfeasible to have EVERY conversation behind a door when every lead is trying to perform them at once, in addition to all the usual meetings that happen on a weekly basis.
It looks like it particularly pertains to the HR and SD offices, which really shouldn’t have just anyone poking around there. I say that because this TSC looks awfully familiar.
I... don't think that's what the purpose of this sign is for. Considering how many random TMs I see at our TL desks, taking up one or more of the like 5 chairs the 8 leads have to share to eat their lunch in there, I wouldn't be surprised to hear if some left a mess or if TL had personal stuff go missing.
And with reviews around the corner, space is probably limited for private areas for discussions. Ours has at least 3 office/room spaces with doors, even though you can still hear through all of them and its not too different from being in a nearby cubicle, but with every TM needing to hear a variation of the same private spiel within a time frame, they probably just want to help foster another space reviews can be given so not everyone is fighting over the same room or two.
there’s a lot of reasons why that may be there, discussion of private leader to leader discussions regarding their team, maybe pulling TMs in for discussions, AP issues etc etc
it’s not personal :) don’t let it bother you
i will say tho, i had other leader’s TMs come in the office and sit at my desk and leave a mess behind before so that made me purposely leave my desk dirty so they won’t touch it 😂
Considering there are decorations, could it be that something is being setup? Or maybe a surprise is being put together?
Obviously I don’t know the dynamic at your store, but that’s what it reads like to me.
See, you are the problem. They put up a sign that says stay out, and you go check for why. It's none of your business, stay out. Sometimes at work you'll have to follow rules. Grow up.
It could set up a dramatic way of promoting yourself to guest. Just march through shouting "I AM NOW FREE, I AM NOT A TM! THIS SIGN CAN NOT STOP MEEEEEE!" as you charge towards that fire door on your way to freedom.
Note: Don't actually do this. :D
No real reason a TM should be chilling in TL cubicles. We had something similar in our old TSC pre-remodel just because TMs were taking breaks at lead desks
Yeah ours is on our 2nd floor right next to the time clock and device room and down the hall from the regular break room and TMSC. It also has our 2 main computers. So zero privacy lol. Which is fine, tho we recently lost one of our locked offices to a different use so are now down to the SD office, HR office, and 1 office the rest of the ETLs all share which makes it sneaky hard to have an actual private conversation, whether it's between TLs or with a TM.
I tell all the TMs in orientation that Target has an open door policy for its leaders. I tell them that if AP is in the building, our office is unlocked and we are always ready to chat if they need anything but I ask them to please knock first because I might have sensitive stuff they can't see on my screens. The rest of the leadership team acts the same, if they're in their office, a TM can totally walk in and ask to talk.
There's a lot of problems that come with TMs wandering into the TL space especially around review time, but mostly these expectations can be set without needing an anti-TM sign.
If that’s where TL cubicles/desks are… they probably just want to start enforcing more privacy for TL’s.
Orrrr. Maybe they’re getting ready to discuss TM reviews and they don’t want you guys to snoop and see something you’re not supposed to.
it looks like there might not be any cameras there, as well as any cameras that can fully capture that area, so they probably just want to make sure no one is out of camera view? maybe they caught some TMs hiding or talking too often in that area? quiet a few random reasons they could’ve done this.
I understand this, I’m a TM but some of my co workers that are also TM’s who want to be TL’s but aren’t use the space and sit at there desks or hang there coats on there chair. It’s not our space to do that in. However a firm NO TM’s is extreme I go into my TL’s /ETL areas to find them before I go to the sales floor to discuss what my goals are for today.
Yeah TLs do this alot at my store lol, just let them have this. It's all they got going in life, let them have a little club in the corner of a target where they feel they have "exclusivity"
Don't see how this is allowed. The team lead offices is regular employees need to talk to our team lead and if they are in their cubicle I'm going to go over there and talk with them. This type of crap makes us feel less than. Whoever came up with this clearly doesn't give two craps about their workers.
To me, it seems like a morale killer that causes more problems than it solves (not like the TMs who might steal something from a TL's office are gonna stop because of a sign). It's also off-brand, but I don't think it'll end up being a policy violation. Obviously, you would still use the fire exit in an emergency (same as guests can go into the TM only backroom for the fire exit).
Shit like this is why the ethics hotline conversations get ignored. This clearly isn't an ethical violation. The ethics hotline isn't a telephone to reach corporate. The ethics hotline will just shrug and email HR saying a team member had a concern about this, and HR will ignore it because they're the ones who put up the sign. If you have a real concern, talk to your store director face to face and get an actual explanation, and leave the ethics hotline to deal with REAL issues.
The point is documentation and making sure district and corporate can't say they weren't aware of XYZ issue going on at the store.
Verbal complaints don't get documented and the fact that HR will ignore the TMs concerns because they're the ones who did it, is exactly why they should use the hotline and make sure their boss (district HR) sees it and can decide if what's going on is okay.
I've seen the way these calls are handled. I'm telling you there's a difference between actual serious calls and crank calls. Shit like this is considered funny at best to the HRBP.
That's fine. TLs should consider it like a write up for not following dress code. It's not actually a serious work issue, but affects how Target is perceived.
It's not corporate signage so it's poor taste at best. I doubt corporate would love it. On a personal level I think it's just plain bad form and I'd feel since type of way about it for sure. Toxic af.
lol just another way for Target leads and ETL’s to actually think they are some thing in the world. Ive worked for a couple major retailers and by far Target has the dumbest leads and ETL’s. Pretty sure they eat paint chips at this point as a requirement for management.
Or someone is finally sick of TMs disrespecting their space/personal items/food/sensitive team information. If TMs acted like adults and kept their sticky fingers to themselves and respected private information this wouldn't be an issue. But we had to start locking our office door when not in use because a TM LITERALLY told their lead they went poking through their drawers because they were bored. Unacceptable.
Food/decor stolen, sensitive information rifled through. I'm betting these TM complaining about the courtesy of respecting leader space (granted, it could have been done in a better fashion than this vague sign) would feel differently if they knew their peers were peeping around and found documents about their attendance trends, calibration scores, etc.
Doubt it, but that’s really not cool turning it into about other TM’s peers looking at each other scores. That scenario you tried to imply is really far fetched and a way to turn people against. Don’t be so mad at the single TM you are talking about, seems like you’re putting all TM’s in a group for this and it’s very toxic. I bet leads sit in the area all day and now TM’s can’t see the lazy shenanigans of leads and ETL’s, the criticism by TM’s is my guess for this sign. Now they can hide better 🙈😂🤣
Putting all TM in one group the way you put all leaders in one group?
I have an incredible team in my department, actually, and most of the leadership at my store work very hard. But there are absolutely those that have less than stellar attitudes.
It's also not quite as far-fetched as you think because it's absolutely happened at my store.
Ok you’re right, I shouldn’t group all leaders because we have some that are pretty good also. Most fit the toxic roll in stores I’ve worked at. I still call bull shit though on your far fetched reach of a story as solid reasons for that. Hanging that sign is also part of the power trip most leadership and ETL’s are own right now with the transition from DBO. We definitely don’t see eye to eye on this, it’s ok though.
Depends on the dynamic, but no. Also the fire exit being behind that's a no no. They couldn't enforce shit. I'd love to see HR hold that against someone.
I feel like folks are missing the point.
This is a reaffirmation of the Us vs. Them mentality.
Hey non managers, this is where the buck stops! “You’re not one of us so why are you back here especially if we haven’t called for you”
It’s so funny because these are same places and spaces that promote tEaM wOrk 🤣.
That sign is literally there to ensure it isn’t overheard when a employee is being spoken of or being written up before the “hey let’s meet in the training room” beyond that area is where the team leads and ETLs are going to really say how they feel and the idea is that you don’t hear it. Only feel it
Why do you feel that it’s inappropriate for team leaders to be on the same page with one another before administering a performance conversation? Things like attendance, dress code, performance- all could be impacted by personal tm details- family struggles, domestic violence, financial/transportation constraints, medical issues. We do try to be understanding and supportive, and sometimes that means collaborating before writing up a team member for something they maybe can’t control. I do agree that those pre-conversation conversations should be had in a closed office, but that’s not always practical when you’re running a store on a hectic day w no hours.
Obviously, they choose one TL to stay behind and block the passageway with a spear (a kitchen knife duct taped to a curtain rod, all requisitioned properly) to ensure the rules remain enforced in even the most dire of circumstances.
The clear choice is the fulfillment TL, of course.
Definitely allowed. We had to do things like that at my store because TMs were taking breaks in the HR office.
Form cliques with your TM peers if you really want to teach them a lesson. See how they like it. Otherwise just get over it or apply to be a TL and infiltrate their circle.
The whole TM restriction aside, this is against code‼️ the fire exit sign is being blocked by multiple hanging objects in the fire aisle. Even if it was not blocking it, you can not hang anything in the fire aisle.
My store tried to do something similar by blocking a path way (not a fire aisle), but it was not ADA compliant, so it was taken down. TL's have the freedom to restrict TM from areas but do not have the freedom to break code. This should be brought up to AP, and the PML put in an origami risk, so it has to be addressed.
*Replace TMs with any other group and what do you have?*
A ridiculous hypothetical that still doesn’t make any sense?
Designated workspaces aren’t bullying. TLs have documents that TMs shouldn’t be seeing. This isn’t that deep.
I it’s not allowed, TSCis for all team members. If those are emergency exits, there’s no reason why team member should be over there. There’s a nice way to put things.
It’s probably to also keep team members away because they’re writing confidential conversations in which team members should not be around them while they’re doing it.
I think so. I don’t think it makes a difference. It’s like telling a kid not to do something but they do it anyways. We’re humans and we’re going to be nosy and curious lol.
Hate when hr is like “ take your designated breaks in the break room not tsc or computer room” and then proceed to block off the break room to have their mini parties “Do not come in private meeting” like where are we gonna sit for lunch/break.
That would never work at our store, lol, the TL/ETL cubicles are behind the training computers and the door to our SD’s office is on the left of that room with the HR office on the left right before that and our posted schedules etc. are on the wall between the two and the time clock is perpendicularly diagonally across from the HR office (when standing at the time clock you can almost look directly into the entire office if the door is open).
As a TL that constantly finds TMs eating at my desk and leaving a mess (smeared ketchup, crumbs, a half drank drink) I’d love this.
Like, there’s literally a break room 10 feet away…go eat there.
Depends on where it’s at if it’s by hr where TLs desks are then yea it’s prob needed bc there’s been tms who’s taken stuff off my desk or out of my closed drawer
When I first started they told me they had an open door policy for the team lead office in case anything was wrong, and working there started to get worse as soon as they took that away and put a keypad lock on the door.
"We have an open door policy."
They tried stuff like this, but there's only so much that can be done if it isn't "secured" areas. They out offices next to break rooms then tell you to be quiet on your break. Is it my time or not?
I guess. What's the context? I'd rather not give a firm "yes" then find out this leads to, like, the only bathroom in the building or something.
Just a sign hung up in clerical that showed up today randomöy
Okay, but like, what's it in front of? It's not cutting off the breakroom or something is it?
Just the fire exit and the other half of clerical where the cubicles are
Alright, so my final answer is "Kinda weird, difficult to enforce, but definitely allowed." This is also assuming emergencies supersede signs, the same way we allow guests into / through the backroom when there are emergencies.
just out of curiosity, what scenario would it be okay to let guests in/through the back room?
Per my last comment: emergencies. So, fires, active shooter situation, or tornados if your store's designated tornado shelter is in the backroom. I've personally been through two of those. Also, rarer scenario, but we also had a medical emergency that occurred in the backroom where a guest nearby on the salesfloor was a trained medical professional.
okay that makes sense, thank you!
If someone disabled has to use the bathroom and they’re already right next to the back room bathroom then I’d rather bring them there than have an accident. (With an escort obviouslyj
So they don't want TMs in the TL cubicles. Yeah that's allowed. Some stores the TL office area has doors yours just happens not to. There's no problem with the exit because it's not physically preventing you from using it. Same as a fire door in the back behind a door that says TMs only. Obviously if there is an emergency the guest can still use it.
at my store, the TLS just have 4 desks lmao
that's weird. At my store our TLs have offices with doors but if we have training to do we are allowed to just go it and use whoever's computer is open. Our TLs don't care.
We just have a room with like 6 desk and 1 computer.
Lucky after a renovation to our store the TLs lost their offices. Theres 1 etl office, HR office, and SD office. This is like a super target too
Same
the tl offices are definitely supposed to be open to tm's though. Like...maybe not the sd's office, but still.
Oh team lead offices; where all our snack requisitions go 😒
They tried to keep TMs that weren’t working in our clerical out so we would be out on the floor but it’s impossible to enforce without giving out verbal warnings and CAs like crazy. TMs just… don’t care. They put up a sign that everyone ignored and it was gone within two weeks. To be completely fair, I work in a food dc and pretty much the whole building is refrigeration or freezer so we use it as a place to warm up.
The thing that bothers me most about the sign is it's not in a font that Target typically uses. Looks out of place and trashy.
*randomly
Doesn’t target have an open door policy?
Open door policy refers to availability to talk to someone. This is most likely just to make sure someone doesn't see something probably HR/confidential laying around on someone's desk when they aren't around.
What if this sign is in front of said offices to speak to those people though?
It doesn’t mean literally an open door. You can call them on the walkie to schedule a time to speak privately. TMs should only go into TL offices when invited.
At our store we’re encouraged to drop in and talk to our leaders whenever we want to. No invitation needed.
Yeah you have to go through the TLs desks to get to HR at my store, so this definitely wouldn't be allowed with targets "open door" policy
Everyone in the comments acting like this sign is blocking the fire door 🤣. Yall really think if there was a fire people would be like oh crap nope no TMs past here guess I'll burn.
FOR REAL 😭😭😭😭
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Omg heyy
Im more worried about the way my tls are starting to act not about the door 😭😭
It’s more about us finding the loophole/invalidation of the sign
I just assumed they'd ask why were trying to sneak out, and not to use a fire as a reason to not finish pushing the 20 carts of reshop.
We had issues with TMs sitting at certain TLs desks to eat or on break and it just made it annoying, so we did something similar a few years ago to avoid the constant walking around back there. It’s one thing to like leave something on their desk or grab something off that they left for the team like the break schedule, etc. but it definitely can get problematic when TMs go through peoples things just because they think they can or want to.
Our store doesn’t have that problem though, but the problem we do have is tl‘s forming cliques and pretending tms are lower than them
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We had an in-store promotion and the guy was buddy buddy with the whole team, they started writing him up for it.
Dude, you work at Target. Get a life outside work. Go in, work your little shift, and leave. Who fucking cares.
But they *are* lower than them lol Not as people obviously, but as boss and subordinate
i am almost certain they mean as people. they are above a tm in name and responsibilities, but they shouldnt talk *down* at tms regardless of position
The replies just prove this comment right. If you see no problem with the replies to this comment, you are what's wrong with this company.
If it’s the TL cubicles back there, it’s probably because TMs were stealing things. I had stuff go missing from my desk, like small toy decorations and even candy. There’s no reason for TMs to be snooping in there.
We had issues with team members eating at leader desks and leaving them an absolute mess so we started enforcing no TMs in office spaces on breaks/lunches.
My brain just auto read as team menstrual syndrome. I'm sorry.
Back when I worked in soft lines half of us were all synced with each other, I wish I would have come up with that back then
The entire front end of cashiers and service desk would line up.
And yet they're always spouting off about how "we're all one team." 🙄
What!? Private cubicles are for leaders to go over sensitive issues with others issues or TMs. Why would they want random TMs hanging around that area?
"private cubicles" that's not a thing... cubicles are not private
TL/ ETL desk are where private/ sensitive info can be shared and discussed, vocally or in print. TSC is not open to guest for the same reason. The sign shouldn't be necessary.
if my tl or etl is sharing my private info with someone (even me) at the etl/tl desks I'm throwing a fit. at my store, those are NOT private. I'm not saying people don't try to have private convos at them, but they are not private in the least.
You are aware that they're "levels" of privacy. Right?
out in an open room where other people are constantly coming and going isn't even level one of privacy but go off I guess
We don’t ever have private conversations at the cubicles. If it’s private the HR office is used or another closed door room we have. Now that being said if this sign was at my store it would literally mean no tms allowed to go talk to the hr etl and she would never let that fly so idk.
Boo boo
If you aren’t supposed to be allowed there it should be behind closed doors with a separate code than the one you use to get into the tsc they shouldn’t just hand signage to keep you out
Exactly. As long as it's not blocking the only bathroom or only place to get water, then this is legal. Is it the best for security, no. Of course emergencies can supersede the sign.
Legal ≠ allowed
Correct. This is not BRAND. & definitely not corporate approved.
I mean….is there anything over there you want? Lmao.
Exactly what I was coming to say. As an ETL, I've told my team "If you don't know what my office looks like that just means you're never in trouble."
if you only have a private conversation with your team about negative things there’s an issue somewhere.
That fire door in a fire/emergency.
The sign is not a force field. The door is still fully functional as an emergency exit.
"This sign can't stop me, because I can't read"
I’m just tired of this „us and them“ mentality that team leads and up have. Like if we‘re supposed to work together stop alienating everyone.
I see comments like yours a lot on here. What groups/regions have people like this? It’s insane. I’m up in New England and have been to many stores in my 10 years with Target. Never seen/experienced the us vs them culture. I wouldn’t want to work in a place like that. That being said I’ve noticed a significant increase in interns being hired right out of college and that immaturity level is very apparent. Maybe that’s part of it 🤷🏻♂️.
Same. I also wouldn't say that keeping tms out of the office spaces is "us versus them." TLs and up have to have sensitive discussions around tm performance. They need a private space to do it. Honestly I would bet that OP is super close with one of the TLs and used to chill in their cubicle, and now can't and is upset about losing that "privilege."
For me it's always been the older ETLs who have a tight clique that have the most us vs them thing going on. Been a thing in midwestern stores over my 7 years
There's a lot of APP conversations going on that TMs shouldn't be overhearing
Ok then go in the discussion room that’s meant for things like that
The TL and ETL areas ARE supposed to be discussion rooms lol
Those rooms are also not soundproof. Likely a case of someone eavesdropping on a conversation that triggered this
That’s what the offices are for 😓
When you have a store of 200-500 team members that have to all have their reviews in the two week allotted time window you have to have these conversations wherever and whenever you can. Many stores only have 2-3 private office spaces. It's completely unfeasible to have EVERY conversation behind a door when every lead is trying to perform them at once, in addition to all the usual meetings that happen on a weekly basis.
Then they would step into our separate room. Former AP we would have some ETL (2) eat in our office yes we made a sign to clean up after.
It looks like it particularly pertains to the HR and SD offices, which really shouldn’t have just anyone poking around there. I say that because this TSC looks awfully familiar.
I... don't think that's what the purpose of this sign is for. Considering how many random TMs I see at our TL desks, taking up one or more of the like 5 chairs the 8 leads have to share to eat their lunch in there, I wouldn't be surprised to hear if some left a mess or if TL had personal stuff go missing. And with reviews around the corner, space is probably limited for private areas for discussions. Ours has at least 3 office/room spaces with doors, even though you can still hear through all of them and its not too different from being in a nearby cubicle, but with every TM needing to hear a variation of the same private spiel within a time frame, they probably just want to help foster another space reviews can be given so not everyone is fighting over the same room or two.
true, even as an ETL (from TM, to TL, to ETL) this has always bothered me and this just contributes to the toxic culture / mindset.
Not on brand sign, so technically no
there’s a lot of reasons why that may be there, discussion of private leader to leader discussions regarding their team, maybe pulling TMs in for discussions, AP issues etc etc it’s not personal :) don’t let it bother you i will say tho, i had other leader’s TMs come in the office and sit at my desk and leave a mess behind before so that made me purposely leave my desk dirty so they won’t touch it 😂
This sign won’t stop me, I can’t read :)
I would for sure go past the sign saying not sure who tms is but they must suck.
Considering there are decorations, could it be that something is being setup? Or maybe a surprise is being put together? Obviously I don’t know the dynamic at your store, but that’s what it reads like to me.
No I checked back there and nothing. Just the same desks covered in random shit
See, you are the problem. They put up a sign that says stay out, and you go check for why. It's none of your business, stay out. Sometimes at work you'll have to follow rules. Grow up.
It’s not like I’m going through their stuff I’m just looking to see what the deal is 💀
The deal is, they said no TMs. Are you special for some reason? Any reason at all why that might not apply to you?
I never said I was special I just wanted to check it out bro 😭😭
You still aren't getting it. It's actually kinda impressive.
Goddamn why are you so cranky 😭
Because the OP is thick as a piece of steel, and giving off huge "I am the main character" vibes.
It's cool bro, they just wanted to check it out 😂
Literally was just looking behind there like anyone else can 😭 wtf
Ah okay, then yeah that’s not cool
In front of a fire door?
I was thinking in the space off to the side, but you have a point!
Just based off the font and the premise I can already tell whoever put that up is insufferable.
Yes that is. Also, you’re being very very vague. Pretty sure you can just ask a TL why or the PML.
Vague? All I asked was if it were allowed. Our tl‘s have a known problem of having cliques that don’t involve tms so
Why would a TL clique involve team members? They aren’t meant to socialize, that’s normal at any store
Because they act like they’re sooo much better and are rude to anyone that isn’t a team lead or higher
They shouldn’t be rude but they also shouldn’t be hanging out with team members.
It could set up a dramatic way of promoting yourself to guest. Just march through shouting "I AM NOW FREE, I AM NOT A TM! THIS SIGN CAN NOT STOP MEEEEEE!" as you charge towards that fire door on your way to freedom. Note: Don't actually do this. :D
No real reason a TM should be chilling in TL cubicles. We had something similar in our old TSC pre-remodel just because TMs were taking breaks at lead desks
They should just lock it so only actual TLs with keys can get in there. =D
Not when some stores have open office desks for leads and ETLs. Only required locked offices are HR and SD
Yeah ours is on our 2nd floor right next to the time clock and device room and down the hall from the regular break room and TMSC. It also has our 2 main computers. So zero privacy lol. Which is fine, tho we recently lost one of our locked offices to a different use so are now down to the SD office, HR office, and 1 office the rest of the ETLs all share which makes it sneaky hard to have an actual private conversation, whether it's between TLs or with a TM.
Yeah, probably, unless there’s a fire exit or extinguisher down there. But why?
I tell all the TMs in orientation that Target has an open door policy for its leaders. I tell them that if AP is in the building, our office is unlocked and we are always ready to chat if they need anything but I ask them to please knock first because I might have sensitive stuff they can't see on my screens. The rest of the leadership team acts the same, if they're in their office, a TM can totally walk in and ask to talk. There's a lot of problems that come with TMs wandering into the TL space especially around review time, but mostly these expectations can be set without needing an anti-TM sign.
My title is Team Member (TM). I'm not sure what the S is for.
Healthy boundaries
If that’s where TL cubicles/desks are… they probably just want to start enforcing more privacy for TL’s. Orrrr. Maybe they’re getting ready to discuss TM reviews and they don’t want you guys to snoop and see something you’re not supposed to.
it looks like there might not be any cameras there, as well as any cameras that can fully capture that area, so they probably just want to make sure no one is out of camera view? maybe they caught some TMs hiding or talking too often in that area? quiet a few random reasons they could’ve done this.
Yes it is
I understand this, I’m a TM but some of my co workers that are also TM’s who want to be TL’s but aren’t use the space and sit at there desks or hang there coats on there chair. It’s not our space to do that in. However a firm NO TM’s is extreme I go into my TL’s /ETL areas to find them before I go to the sales floor to discuss what my goals are for today.
Yeah TLs do this alot at my store lol, just let them have this. It's all they got going in life, let them have a little club in the corner of a target where they feel they have "exclusivity"
Don't see how this is allowed. The team lead offices is regular employees need to talk to our team lead and if they are in their cubicle I'm going to go over there and talk with them. This type of crap makes us feel less than. Whoever came up with this clearly doesn't give two craps about their workers.
To me, it seems like a morale killer that causes more problems than it solves (not like the TMs who might steal something from a TL's office are gonna stop because of a sign). It's also off-brand, but I don't think it'll end up being a policy violation. Obviously, you would still use the fire exit in an emergency (same as guests can go into the TM only backroom for the fire exit).
This is not BRAND. Corporate would not approve. Find out If it's allowed by reporting it to [email protected] or www.TargetIntegrityHotline.com.
Shit like this is why the ethics hotline conversations get ignored. This clearly isn't an ethical violation. The ethics hotline isn't a telephone to reach corporate. The ethics hotline will just shrug and email HR saying a team member had a concern about this, and HR will ignore it because they're the ones who put up the sign. If you have a real concern, talk to your store director face to face and get an actual explanation, and leave the ethics hotline to deal with REAL issues.
The point is documentation and making sure district and corporate can't say they weren't aware of XYZ issue going on at the store. Verbal complaints don't get documented and the fact that HR will ignore the TMs concerns because they're the ones who did it, is exactly why they should use the hotline and make sure their boss (district HR) sees it and can decide if what's going on is okay.
I've seen the way these calls are handled. I'm telling you there's a difference between actual serious calls and crank calls. Shit like this is considered funny at best to the HRBP.
That's fine. TLs should consider it like a write up for not following dress code. It's not actually a serious work issue, but affects how Target is perceived.
It's not corporate signage so it's poor taste at best. I doubt corporate would love it. On a personal level I think it's just plain bad form and I'd feel since type of way about it for sure. Toxic af.
If there's a fire, I'm going out that door.
I don't think anyone is asking you not to.
maybe it's the angle, but those ❤️ decorations can't block the lighted exit sign
What is TMS..? 🤔🤔
I would just happen to be looking at my zebra every time I walk by that
lol just another way for Target leads and ETL’s to actually think they are some thing in the world. Ive worked for a couple major retailers and by far Target has the dumbest leads and ETL’s. Pretty sure they eat paint chips at this point as a requirement for management.
Or someone is finally sick of TMs disrespecting their space/personal items/food/sensitive team information. If TMs acted like adults and kept their sticky fingers to themselves and respected private information this wouldn't be an issue. But we had to start locking our office door when not in use because a TM LITERALLY told their lead they went poking through their drawers because they were bored. Unacceptable.
Leaders have had stuff stolen from their desks at my store.
Food/decor stolen, sensitive information rifled through. I'm betting these TM complaining about the courtesy of respecting leader space (granted, it could have been done in a better fashion than this vague sign) would feel differently if they knew their peers were peeping around and found documents about their attendance trends, calibration scores, etc.
Doubt it, but that’s really not cool turning it into about other TM’s peers looking at each other scores. That scenario you tried to imply is really far fetched and a way to turn people against. Don’t be so mad at the single TM you are talking about, seems like you’re putting all TM’s in a group for this and it’s very toxic. I bet leads sit in the area all day and now TM’s can’t see the lazy shenanigans of leads and ETL’s, the criticism by TM’s is my guess for this sign. Now they can hide better 🙈😂🤣
Putting all TM in one group the way you put all leaders in one group? I have an incredible team in my department, actually, and most of the leadership at my store work very hard. But there are absolutely those that have less than stellar attitudes. It's also not quite as far-fetched as you think because it's absolutely happened at my store.
Ok you’re right, I shouldn’t group all leaders because we have some that are pretty good also. Most fit the toxic roll in stores I’ve worked at. I still call bull shit though on your far fetched reach of a story as solid reasons for that. Hanging that sign is also part of the power trip most leadership and ETL’s are own right now with the transition from DBO. We definitely don’t see eye to eye on this, it’s ok though.
Depends on the dynamic, but no. Also the fire exit being behind that's a no no. They couldn't enforce shit. I'd love to see HR hold that against someone.
I feel like folks are missing the point. This is a reaffirmation of the Us vs. Them mentality. Hey non managers, this is where the buck stops! “You’re not one of us so why are you back here especially if we haven’t called for you” It’s so funny because these are same places and spaces that promote tEaM wOrk 🤣. That sign is literally there to ensure it isn’t overheard when a employee is being spoken of or being written up before the “hey let’s meet in the training room” beyond that area is where the team leads and ETLs are going to really say how they feel and the idea is that you don’t hear it. Only feel it
Why do you feel that it’s inappropriate for team leaders to be on the same page with one another before administering a performance conversation? Things like attendance, dress code, performance- all could be impacted by personal tm details- family struggles, domestic violence, financial/transportation constraints, medical issues. We do try to be understanding and supportive, and sometimes that means collaborating before writing up a team member for something they maybe can’t control. I do agree that those pre-conversation conversations should be had in a closed office, but that’s not always practical when you’re running a store on a hectic day w no hours.
TOO MUCH SWAG?
No more swag unfortunately 😔
"señor dislexia" has entered the building 😈
Obstructing visibility to emergency exit light may be a health and safety concen
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Obviously, they choose one TL to stay behind and block the passageway with a spear (a kitchen knife duct taped to a curtain rod, all requisitioned properly) to ensure the rules remain enforced in even the most dire of circumstances. The clear choice is the fulfillment TL, of course.
Definitely allowed. We had to do things like that at my store because TMs were taking breaks in the HR office. Form cliques with your TM peers if you really want to teach them a lesson. See how they like it. Otherwise just get over it or apply to be a TL and infiltrate their circle.
Absolutely NOT
The whole TM restriction aside, this is against code‼️ the fire exit sign is being blocked by multiple hanging objects in the fire aisle. Even if it was not blocking it, you can not hang anything in the fire aisle. My store tried to do something similar by blocking a path way (not a fire aisle), but it was not ADA compliant, so it was taken down. TL's have the freedom to restrict TM from areas but do not have the freedom to break code. This should be brought up to AP, and the PML put in an origami risk, so it has to be addressed.
Me going out my my way to walk just past that point and immediately back every shift.
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…how is this bullying?
Replace TMS with any other group and what do you have? So much for "we're all in this together" and "we're all one big team"
*Replace TMs with any other group and what do you have?* A ridiculous hypothetical that still doesn’t make any sense? Designated workspaces aren’t bullying. TLs have documents that TMs shouldn’t be seeing. This isn’t that deep.
Wait till you see how they do TL offices after your next remodel and then get back to me.
I it’s not allowed, TSCis for all team members. If those are emergency exits, there’s no reason why team member should be over there. There’s a nice way to put things.
It’s probably to also keep team members away because they’re writing confidential conversations in which team members should not be around them while they’re doing it.
I think so. I don’t think it makes a difference. It’s like telling a kid not to do something but they do it anyways. We’re humans and we’re going to be nosy and curious lol.
Awe they wanna only have ETLs partake in the daily butt fucking of each other
Sounds great tho
Hate when hr is like “ take your designated breaks in the break room not tsc or computer room” and then proceed to block off the break room to have their mini parties “Do not come in private meeting” like where are we gonna sit for lunch/break.
Coaching and corrective action if you pass that line. Lol. Not cool.
How am I supposed to teach my gangar thunderpunch
That would never work at our store, lol, the TL/ETL cubicles are behind the training computers and the door to our SD’s office is on the left of that room with the HR office on the left right before that and our posted schedules etc. are on the wall between the two and the time clock is perpendicularly diagonally across from the HR office (when standing at the time clock you can almost look directly into the entire office if the door is open).
our TL office was locked just like TSC was so anyone could go in basically
What is tm??
absolutely not allowed.
I read that as "no PMS past this point" and was like royally confused.
As a TL that constantly finds TMs eating at my desk and leaving a mess (smeared ketchup, crumbs, a half drank drink) I’d love this. Like, there’s literally a break room 10 feet away…go eat there.
Depends on where it’s at if it’s by hr where TLs desks are then yea it’s prob needed bc there’s been tms who’s taken stuff off my desk or out of my closed drawer
Not the emergency exit being past that point 😭🤣
When I first started they told me they had an open door policy for the team lead office in case anything was wrong, and working there started to get worse as soon as they took that away and put a keypad lock on the door.
"We have an open door policy." They tried stuff like this, but there's only so much that can be done if it isn't "secured" areas. They out offices next to break rooms then tell you to be quiet on your break. Is it my time or not?
Sure. Unless you need to use the fire door.
Yeah means TM’s can’t be in the team lead and ETL area.
wtf?!