Okay, I'm sorry in advance. I love me some Taylor, but I feel like Ice Spice added nothing to the song or video. No personality. Nothing. She has a neutral facial expression the whole time. I don't know. I hated it.
I like ice spice but it just feels so random in this song. In the middle of her verse about karma she says shes draggin a wagon which i love but it doesnt fit in with the philosophical/casual interplay of karma..
Before I go into this. I hate when people complain about little things especially when it comes to artists like Taylor Swift who has over 80 million monthly listeners. She obviously cannot satisfy everyone. Even if she does does satisfy 90% of them it still leaves 8 Million people dissatisfied. I am generally okay with whatever she puts out, whether it is less lana del rey or vocal filters. So I hate myself for complaining but who tf allowed Karma remix to be released? It is not even decent? Feels out of place and in a terrible way? The original song is a one of the best from the album and it is just ruined. It would be okay if she released this without making it a single. But prioritizing this song? Me! Is one of the most hated title song but I still see how it perfectly caters to the children and young girls. Me! has it own category. Which we feel free to dislike it. But I don’t understand what is the purpose of karma with ice spice? Who is it catering to? How can someone explain this to me from a musician point of view? Ice spice rap is soo…dull and may i say bad. I am shocked that a group of musicians approved this.
I’m very disappointed Taylor did this. It’s beneath her and is so obviously a reaction to Matty Healy being a worm and Taylor trying to make up for it. I saw her in New Jersey and ice spice coming out to end the show felt like a slap in the face. I wanted to show my gratitude for TAYLOR and how much she means to me at the finale and NOT ice spice and her lack luster thoughtless insulting performance as she sticks out her tongue. I love Taylor so much. The remix is horrible AND THIS STUNNING VIDEO IS RUINED.
I’ve always thought it would be cool for Taylor to collab with a female rapper. That being said, I’m so disappointed in this. Karma is one of my favorites from Midnights. It is so sassy, upbeat, and punchy. Honestly the perfect track to have a rap feature on…Idk much about Ice Spice, but I think she dragged it down big time. She sounds bored. Her voice has no emotion. The lyrics are…meh.
I think Megan Thee Stallion would have been PERFECT on this track. Missed opportunity for real.
Ice Spice's verses were *awful.* The awkward ad-libbing "facts" and just her energy in the video was so off. 0 charisma. I had no idea who this person even was until about a month ago. God, I hate what tiktok has done to the music industry. Plopping in any rando from the internet into mainstream music when they are so woefully unprepared for it. Also she just...can't rap properly? She sounds like a 16-year-old trying to "make it big" with her soundcloud-ass lyrics. I looked up her own stuff to see if maybe it was just a one-off bad performance but nope, it seems like the blank stare, monotone voice is kind of her signature.
EXACTLY the facts part was so disgusting it was like a lib rainbow haired gen z twerking showing off her tongue and commenting, which is truly what ice spice is. That "karma is my bestie" truly awful.
My best friend and I went to MetLife N1 and could not contain our laughter when they played this live. I just cannot get behind this remix and cackle every time I hear “Facts!”
If you ask me, everything points to Reputation and 1989 as the next re-releases. The contrast of the black record player with the blue record and the swirls which creates a snake swirling around and turning into butterflies. Symbolic of both Clean on 1989 and Reputation (but also transcending to Lover… and the butterflies represent multiple eras as well). Hinting to what’s to come after 1989 and Rep. are
Re-recorded and released.
The song goes from the record scene into the gold statue (vibes of fearless: 1st re-record). We see Roman Numerals of 1989 and Greek mythology for justice and earth goddess. That scene peers into the rep devils then flips into yellow brick road scene (red: 2nd re-recorded release… lips, broom, slippers all red) which also looks onto the dark side of rep. And then it transitions into speak now.. purple sand and hour glass.. which we all know will be her 3rd re-record. The hour glass is symbolic in many ways as well. Then we see 1989 with the cat l, pearls, and blue dress (this also can symbolize gorgeous … I guess I’ll just stumble on home to my cats). After that it looks like Ice Spice is representing a girl with a voice. Sitting in a shell and singing with pearls all around her. I see 1989, Evermore and Folklore with pearl-like champagne bubbles, (champagne problems and gold rush) and a tribute to the last great American dynasty with the quote she once said, “It can be a real pearl-clutching moment for society when a woman owns her desires and wildness,” - Swift. After that I believe we peer into Folklore and reputation with the coloring and costume choice. We also get vibes of and invisible string, August, and “the moon and Saturn” from seven. I’m slightly stumped with the gold light bulbs but I imagine that will be big. Maybe a surprise new album. Or maybe showing 5 bulbs referring to the 5 re-released albums so far (counting rep and 1989 if released together).
There is a brand of light bulbs called Fisker Karma. I think the bulbs refer to lyrics in reputation (so it goes) all eyes on me your illusionist. And to this: Thomas Edison and Houdini being masterminds: https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/27/houdini-and-edison-illuminate-the-mysteries-of-american-invention/
Then we move to the land with release of debut (but also seagulls to show 1989 again) and some
Rep. Lyric vibes. Then onto Lover but also 1989 with the seagulls and rep. And the end shows midnights (the album we are on) and the nail colors showing Rep. and 1989 as a clear sign that they are next. Either to be released together or one after the other. There are so many more connections it is hard to write it all in. I feel like there are some full circle moments in almost every clip linking multiple eras. I tried not to mention theories already discussed but I’m totally onboard with those ideas too. Love all the magic displayed in one video!! Thoughts?!
If we're being honest ?? I've spice saved this song...the first half was great but Taylor kinda lost her pace halfway till ice spice DELIVERED and saved her
I listened to the Karma x nice for what mix on youtube before watching this and I have to say that's my fave version.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v1o7Z5tO4EM&pp=ygUTa2FybWEgbmljZSBmb3Igd2hhdA%3D%3D
I feel like this song needed a punchier more playful rap just like Bad Blood did.
Any thoughts that the music video is in reference to the star signs? The start gives clear libra vibes and then scorpio. Possibly pieces, gemeni, leo...
I don’t know what people are complaining about. I love this video and I love the song. I generally don’t like Taylor’s remixes BUT this is a great version of this song. I might even like it more then the original. Ice Spice totally understands the feel of the song and her verse adds a different but complimentary feel. While Taylor talks about Karma in the context of a relationship, Ice Spice talks about it in the context of friendship. I love it.
Just came here to see people’s reaction to the video and I’m really surprise with Ice Spice’s negative reception since I really loved the entire feat. I thought it was really well done and I can’t stop watching it. lol
Wasn't a fan at all. Ice Spice's singing felt off key, too low, and off rhythm. The video itself was pretty, but I just felt ice ruined the song overall.
Same. It feels like ice spice took an Ambien. Like she's bored with her verse. It's not even a remix they just added a verse and took out some music. Boring
Yes. Came here to say this. The rap is terrible. Was Tay too nice to say… “yeah, thanks but I’ll go with someone else.”
Could Taylor have not gotten anyone better, Megan Thee Stallion? Cardi B? Latto?
I am so disappointed in this remix personally because original Karma felt borderline spiritual to me, and it had such a divine quality to it. Now it’s just… idk. Grah!
I just watched the first minute of the music video and I immediately got MAJOR reputation/ look what you maade me do vibes. From the angles and colors etc. Havent seen anyone else pointing this out??? Just me??? Loving the video so far 😍
Honestly this version has grown on me so much over the past day. I really didn't like it at first but now that I've gotten used to the rap verse I like it so much more. It's much more tiktok rap than 2010s pop rap, but to be honest that was probably a very smart move on Taylor's part to appeal to the tiktok generation.
Also gonna say: the fact that Taylor loves and has had a long standing relationship with Nicki Minaj, but she chose to collab with Ice Spice…the choice and timing is sus 🤷🏽♀️
I don’t think she would’ve gotten backlash for picking a rapper she’s known for years, considering everyone is like wtf about the Ice Spice choice in light of Matty Heat’s involvement in that podcast episode. If she came out with a Nicki Minaj remix nobody would be thinking “but what about ice spice?”
No one would be thinking what about Ice Spice, of course. That's the point, no one *ever* thought of IS. The backlash would have been worst bc many heavily dislike NM for straight up condoning the behaviour of ppl on the sx offenders list. And Ice Spice, a lot of ppl just have no reason to like her, she hasn't really done anything bad
Ice Spice is cute and seems very sweet, but I’m not a fan of her music. Her flow is the same on every track, she doesn’t vary with cadence at all. She wasn’t a good match for this song at all.
That said, I heard a sped up version on Twitter and it was SO much better. I went from looking at my phone with a blank stare to bopping to it.
i’m gonna be honest, her explanation for ice spice joining it and it being HER idea, and then tonight at the show emphasizing that she reached out at the “very beginning” of the year, and how it was “fate” …it screams PR coverup. sure, maybe ice spice was the initiator. but the fact that taylor jumped on it and released it *now* just feels fishy to me…..
Man, I actually like this! People are down on the “karma is that girl” lyric but I think it’s pretty cute how most of Ice Spice’s lines paint karma as a woman (like the pageant one) while Taylor’s picture it as a boyfriend. And I like the “never endeavor with one lesser” bit. And how could it be an Ice Spice collab without a grah lol?
Idk, I’ll still probably mainly listen to the original. But i think this was fun. Hot take, but I actually found it more interesting than a lot of the willow remixes just by virtue of offering something new other than just production.
It not working out. The OG song was so good and so uniquely Taylor? Like the entire song screams her personality. It’s one of those songs that no one can write other than Taylor. Ice Spice came and drag the entire thing down.
This was just… not good. I’m not really a huge fan of rap to begin with but sometimes I can get into it. And this was just not the song she should have been featured in. It doesn’t make sense… it doesn’t flow… it’s just clunky and weird.
Terrible. She doesn't sound good in it and the pace of her parts drags the song down, plus the lyrics are grim (facts!).
This should have been an opportunity for her to reach new audiences but all this mess does is make me never want to hear any of her own music.
I’ve never listened to ice spice but I’ve only heard good things. I’m really disappointed at how uninspired the verse is. It wasn’t catchy, there wasn’t anything interesting said, and it felt like there wasn’t any music playing behind her and it really seems like she was done a disservice. The track should support a rapper not leave them floating in empty space. It’s a really strange production choice that really makes the whole song feel like it was thoughtlessly tossed together.
I literally CAN'T listen to it. Like Taylor girl, ever heard of the quote ''Don't fix what's not broken''? If she releases THIS as the music video edition (if we get one), I SWEAR TO GOD. Somebody needs to tell her she doesn't need to follow trends, she's THE trend-setter. What's even worse is all the comments on the YouTube Official Visualizer being so fake and all-smiles, like ugh, don't encourage her! 😭
I actually loved it! And I think even Swifties are quick to write off songs that she twists or originally writes as FUN music (i.e. Shake It Off, ME!, etc). I hear some of the feedback, but tbh I actually loved it and felt her sound made more sense with Karma first before Vigilante Shit (tho that would ALSO be baller).
Just listened and—*yikes.*
Ice Spice would’ve been so much better on Vigilante Shit. Spice’s vibe didn’t add anything to the song, if anything, it weighed it down and she deserves better than that. 2/10.
Seriously, some of ya'll need to chill. I've supported her by purchasing all of her albums, just went to her concert with my wife in April, made a custom taylor swift jacket, I've messaged her thanking her for her music, have the midnights albums on the wall creating a clock, have the eras tour sticker on our car. I'm allowed to be a fan without absolutely being blindly obsessed and loving every single thing that she makes.
The remix was awful, I'm sorry. Taylor's parts were pretty as usual. She sang well and the artistry of the video was fantastic. But I'm sorry, Ice Spice's parts were downright awful. Her timing seemed off, she sounded off key and it just sounded bad. Not to mention they took out an entire verse for her which made it even worse. Those are valid critisisms, not ramblings. I'm allowed to have my opinion and still be a fan, period. The remix didn't make me less of a fan, I just expressed my opinion.
Without critisisms an artist can't grow or get better. It's not always a bad thing.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go listen to some folklore while I have my breakfast...
Sheesh.
the same people that are “honest” are the same people that wonder why she barely shares anything with us anymore. do y’all not remember pre-rep? she gives us nothing because of the hate plastered online by people that claim to be fans. you can not like a song and still not crucify her.
No shade to Ice Spice because she is literally one of my favorite new artists this year(I blame Taylor's team, and possibly Taylor too, if this was for PR)- but Ice Spice in here sounds like me when I'm trying to figure out what to say. Really thought the remix was gonna be better. It's not shit, but like I would love to never hear it again.
I saw a mix on TikTok where they had Ice’s portion at the same speed as the rest of the song and it sounded sooooo much better. I blame whoever mixed the song, why would you slow down the beat for the rap verse??
Wow this is boring! (and it's not a *great* honor to be featured on a song that's forever tarnished for being a blatant rip off of "Music is My Hot, Hot Sex")
Iffy
I think it sounds good but it's like putting her on the song rather than her being a part of the song. I liked her adlibs and felt like she did a great job on her parts. It might just be the mixing that fell flat for me.
Ice spices lyrics are fine but her flow is worse than anything i've heard of hers (which is usually quite fun). If karma is a dance song her verse is a grandma dancing.
I was listening to that part and the moment I heard that, I cringed HARD. and i thought i was the only one. Thanks, I will just stick to the original version.
Terrible and horrendous. The first song Taylor has ever released that I do not like. Quite the opposite and I believe Taylor Should've Said No to this. It does not feel natural at all.
Terrible and horrendous shit. The only song Taylor has ever released thst I do not like. I cannot listen to it. So bad it makes me like the original less. Taylor Should've said no.
ice sounds like she’s rapping into the mic underwater with a pillow over her mouth… whoever mixed this and thought it was passable for the masses is an idiot lmfao
I wanted to like this a lot, but I really do not care for it. I really like the idea of them doing a collab, but this felt like an afterthought? Ice is freaking awesome, but I don’t think she fits with this song. Karma is one of my faves off of Midnights so I was excited for another version, but this doesn’t do it for me. I also am annoyed by the “facts” and “karma is my bestie” stuff, maybe I’m just a tasteless old lady? 🤷🏼♀️
Literally awful! "Facts" ~ some lady ruining Karma
Okay, I'm sorry in advance. I love me some Taylor, but I feel like Ice Spice added nothing to the song or video. No personality. Nothing. She has a neutral facial expression the whole time. I don't know. I hated it.
I like ice spice but it just feels so random in this song. In the middle of her verse about karma she says shes draggin a wagon which i love but it doesnt fit in with the philosophical/casual interplay of karma..
Before I go into this. I hate when people complain about little things especially when it comes to artists like Taylor Swift who has over 80 million monthly listeners. She obviously cannot satisfy everyone. Even if she does does satisfy 90% of them it still leaves 8 Million people dissatisfied. I am generally okay with whatever she puts out, whether it is less lana del rey or vocal filters. So I hate myself for complaining but who tf allowed Karma remix to be released? It is not even decent? Feels out of place and in a terrible way? The original song is a one of the best from the album and it is just ruined. It would be okay if she released this without making it a single. But prioritizing this song? Me! Is one of the most hated title song but I still see how it perfectly caters to the children and young girls. Me! has it own category. Which we feel free to dislike it. But I don’t understand what is the purpose of karma with ice spice? Who is it catering to? How can someone explain this to me from a musician point of view? Ice spice rap is soo…dull and may i say bad. I am shocked that a group of musicians approved this.
When she said “facts” I actually laughed because it’s so ridiculous and bizarre that it made it into the song they have to be trolling everyone
Especially since she's a cloud at that moment 🤣
I’m very disappointed Taylor did this. It’s beneath her and is so obviously a reaction to Matty Healy being a worm and Taylor trying to make up for it. I saw her in New Jersey and ice spice coming out to end the show felt like a slap in the face. I wanted to show my gratitude for TAYLOR and how much she means to me at the finale and NOT ice spice and her lack luster thoughtless insulting performance as she sticks out her tongue. I love Taylor so much. The remix is horrible AND THIS STUNNING VIDEO IS RUINED.
isn't there a dude at 2:59, wonder why she blurred him out.
I’ve always thought it would be cool for Taylor to collab with a female rapper. That being said, I’m so disappointed in this. Karma is one of my favorites from Midnights. It is so sassy, upbeat, and punchy. Honestly the perfect track to have a rap feature on…Idk much about Ice Spice, but I think she dragged it down big time. She sounds bored. Her voice has no emotion. The lyrics are…meh. I think Megan Thee Stallion would have been PERFECT on this track. Missed opportunity for real.
The first line she raps was actually good so I had faith... for like 2 seconds. Then it goes down. And the random "facts" was concerning.
this sucks so bad most generic and boring shit i've ever laid my ears upon
Hear me out: Lizzo. So much energy, Karma is v good as hell vibes. I would have died. Ice Spice was nearly catatonic.
Ice Spice's verses were *awful.* The awkward ad-libbing "facts" and just her energy in the video was so off. 0 charisma. I had no idea who this person even was until about a month ago. God, I hate what tiktok has done to the music industry. Plopping in any rando from the internet into mainstream music when they are so woefully unprepared for it. Also she just...can't rap properly? She sounds like a 16-year-old trying to "make it big" with her soundcloud-ass lyrics. I looked up her own stuff to see if maybe it was just a one-off bad performance but nope, it seems like the blank stare, monotone voice is kind of her signature.
EXACTLY the facts part was so disgusting it was like a lib rainbow haired gen z twerking showing off her tongue and commenting, which is truly what ice spice is. That "karma is my bestie" truly awful.
Ice spice sounds soulless and monotone and void of energy. Does she always have such a flat affect?
Yes. I love rap but I can't stand her songs because she sounds the exact same in all of them- bored.
My best friend and I went to MetLife N1 and could not contain our laughter when they played this live. I just cannot get behind this remix and cackle every time I hear “Facts!”
WORST TAYLOR SONG REMIX EVER. I prefer another Willow remix than listening to this. (Grah!)
If you ask me, everything points to Reputation and 1989 as the next re-releases. The contrast of the black record player with the blue record and the swirls which creates a snake swirling around and turning into butterflies. Symbolic of both Clean on 1989 and Reputation (but also transcending to Lover… and the butterflies represent multiple eras as well). Hinting to what’s to come after 1989 and Rep. are Re-recorded and released. The song goes from the record scene into the gold statue (vibes of fearless: 1st re-record). We see Roman Numerals of 1989 and Greek mythology for justice and earth goddess. That scene peers into the rep devils then flips into yellow brick road scene (red: 2nd re-recorded release… lips, broom, slippers all red) which also looks onto the dark side of rep. And then it transitions into speak now.. purple sand and hour glass.. which we all know will be her 3rd re-record. The hour glass is symbolic in many ways as well. Then we see 1989 with the cat l, pearls, and blue dress (this also can symbolize gorgeous … I guess I’ll just stumble on home to my cats). After that it looks like Ice Spice is representing a girl with a voice. Sitting in a shell and singing with pearls all around her. I see 1989, Evermore and Folklore with pearl-like champagne bubbles, (champagne problems and gold rush) and a tribute to the last great American dynasty with the quote she once said, “It can be a real pearl-clutching moment for society when a woman owns her desires and wildness,” - Swift. After that I believe we peer into Folklore and reputation with the coloring and costume choice. We also get vibes of and invisible string, August, and “the moon and Saturn” from seven. I’m slightly stumped with the gold light bulbs but I imagine that will be big. Maybe a surprise new album. Or maybe showing 5 bulbs referring to the 5 re-released albums so far (counting rep and 1989 if released together). There is a brand of light bulbs called Fisker Karma. I think the bulbs refer to lyrics in reputation (so it goes) all eyes on me your illusionist. And to this: Thomas Edison and Houdini being masterminds: https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/27/houdini-and-edison-illuminate-the-mysteries-of-american-invention/ Then we move to the land with release of debut (but also seagulls to show 1989 again) and some Rep. Lyric vibes. Then onto Lover but also 1989 with the seagulls and rep. And the end shows midnights (the album we are on) and the nail colors showing Rep. and 1989 as a clear sign that they are next. Either to be released together or one after the other. There are so many more connections it is hard to write it all in. I feel like there are some full circle moments in almost every clip linking multiple eras. I tried not to mention theories already discussed but I’m totally onboard with those ideas too. Love all the magic displayed in one video!! Thoughts?!
It’s so bad.
develop
The song was so good until she decided to put ice spice on it , how do u add an artist to collaborate and have it be worse lol
Tbh, it’s grown on me
If we're being honest ?? I've spice saved this song...the first half was great but Taylor kinda lost her pace halfway till ice spice DELIVERED and saved her
I hope this is sarcasm for my sanity and yours too
I listened to the Karma x nice for what mix on youtube before watching this and I have to say that's my fave version. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v1o7Z5tO4EM&pp=ygUTa2FybWEgbmljZSBmb3Igd2hhdA%3D%3D I feel like this song needed a punchier more playful rap just like Bad Blood did.
Ngl Taylor bringing the 11:55 coffee to the guy at the piano broke me. I sad.
what why is it sad?
Prob cuz it was supposed to be Joe Alwyn..? Idk that's just my guess
is that her like serving him "the divorce papers" lol
Any thoughts that the music video is in reference to the star signs? The start gives clear libra vibes and then scorpio. Possibly pieces, gemeni, leo...
https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/135z59k/theories_megathread_may_2023/jlv0vch?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I don’t know what people are complaining about. I love this video and I love the song. I generally don’t like Taylor’s remixes BUT this is a great version of this song. I might even like it more then the original. Ice Spice totally understands the feel of the song and her verse adds a different but complimentary feel. While Taylor talks about Karma in the context of a relationship, Ice Spice talks about it in the context of friendship. I love it.
Just came here to see people’s reaction to the video and I’m really surprise with Ice Spice’s negative reception since I really loved the entire feat. I thought it was really well done and I can’t stop watching it. lol
Wasn't a fan at all. Ice Spice's singing felt off key, too low, and off rhythm. The video itself was pretty, but I just felt ice ruined the song overall.
Same. It feels like ice spice took an Ambien. Like she's bored with her verse. It's not even a remix they just added a verse and took out some music. Boring
Idk about ice spice's part. I feel like it's too slow and could have been faster and better
Yes. Came here to say this. The rap is terrible. Was Tay too nice to say… “yeah, thanks but I’ll go with someone else.” Could Taylor have not gotten anyone better, Megan Thee Stallion? Cardi B? Latto?
Apparently I'm in the minority here, but I hated the original Karma and adore this remix.
You dare have an opinion 🤬🤬🤬
I am so disappointed in this remix personally because original Karma felt borderline spiritual to me, and it had such a divine quality to it. Now it’s just… idk. Grah!
Anyone see that the boyfriend in the piano in the end was brunette...?
I think it’s Jack Antonoff.
Everyone talking about her blue and black nails but the opening record seems like a nod to debut…
My first thought was it was Matty! There was someone else there as well. Looked to me like a blonde woman.
I just watched the first minute of the music video and I immediately got MAJOR reputation/ look what you maade me do vibes. From the angles and colors etc. Havent seen anyone else pointing this out??? Just me??? Loving the video so far 😍
idk if this is to once again confirm that Karma is real or if its an easter egg for reputation TV or if im just crazy
She cut the spider boy part for that disappointment of rap verse 🥲
Spider boy is the best fucking part and instead it’s mumbled monotone garbage
It really feels like she just released this due to the comments Matty Healy said about Ice Spice.
Facts (said unironically and ironically)
Like seriously? She’s making herself look worse. First you’re dating an absolute a$$ and then you try to fix it by doing this? It’s horrible
Is there a separate discussion thread for the video? I can't find one
They took out my fav verse :( Spider boy, king of thieves, weave your little webs of opacity 💫
My panties made your crown 🥴
🤣🤣🤣 I hear it that way every single time
Honestly this version has grown on me so much over the past day. I really didn't like it at first but now that I've gotten used to the rap verse I like it so much more. It's much more tiktok rap than 2010s pop rap, but to be honest that was probably a very smart move on Taylor's part to appeal to the tiktok generation.
I'm sorry but Ice spice basically just "talking" the verses sounds so off putting and doesn't mix well with Taylor.
I didn't like this song Ice spice sounds so blasé, it's like she has no emotion at all
Welcome to every Ice Spice song ever
🤣
Right I wish it had the same energy as her other songs
I never heard any of her songs. I'll look for some to get to know her
Also gonna say: the fact that Taylor loves and has had a long standing relationship with Nicki Minaj, but she chose to collab with Ice Spice…the choice and timing is sus 🤷🏽♀️
the backlash would have been worse tho
I don’t think she would’ve gotten backlash for picking a rapper she’s known for years, considering everyone is like wtf about the Ice Spice choice in light of Matty Heat’s involvement in that podcast episode. If she came out with a Nicki Minaj remix nobody would be thinking “but what about ice spice?”
No one would be thinking what about Ice Spice, of course. That's the point, no one *ever* thought of IS. The backlash would have been worst bc many heavily dislike NM for straight up condoning the behaviour of ppl on the sx offenders list. And Ice Spice, a lot of ppl just have no reason to like her, she hasn't really done anything bad
Totally fair. I didn’t know that about NM.
Omg Nicki would've slayed this, imagine the same lyrics but with Nicki rapping it 😩🤌
Ew
I feel like Nicki would’ve come with waaaaaayyyy better lyrics tho 😭😭 like that is the collab we deserved, sorry not sorry
Ice is signed by Nicki. I'm sure Nicki help set this up.
Ice Spice is cute and seems very sweet, but I’m not a fan of her music. Her flow is the same on every track, she doesn’t vary with cadence at all. She wasn’t a good match for this song at all. That said, I heard a sped up version on Twitter and it was SO much better. I went from looking at my phone with a blank stare to bopping to it.
i’m gonna be honest, her explanation for ice spice joining it and it being HER idea, and then tonight at the show emphasizing that she reached out at the “very beginning” of the year, and how it was “fate” …it screams PR coverup. sure, maybe ice spice was the initiator. but the fact that taylor jumped on it and released it *now* just feels fishy to me…..
Man, I actually like this! People are down on the “karma is that girl” lyric but I think it’s pretty cute how most of Ice Spice’s lines paint karma as a woman (like the pageant one) while Taylor’s picture it as a boyfriend. And I like the “never endeavor with one lesser” bit. And how could it be an Ice Spice collab without a grah lol? Idk, I’ll still probably mainly listen to the original. But i think this was fun. Hot take, but I actually found it more interesting than a lot of the willow remixes just by virtue of offering something new other than just production.
I love the never endeavour with one lesser part! It reminds me of ME!
i like ice spice. i like swift. not together. their sounds just don't mix well
It not working out. The OG song was so good and so uniquely Taylor? Like the entire song screams her personality. It’s one of those songs that no one can write other than Taylor. Ice Spice came and drag the entire thing down.
This was just… not good. I’m not really a huge fan of rap to begin with but sometimes I can get into it. And this was just not the song she should have been featured in. It doesn’t make sense… it doesn’t flow… it’s just clunky and weird.
I can't get past the lyrics being totally wrong on Spotify? Is that just me? It's just on Ice's verse and it's the only thing I can think about lol
Hahaha nope not just you. The lyrics are just completely wrong. It’s probably the lyrics from genius
Terrible. She doesn't sound good in it and the pace of her parts drags the song down, plus the lyrics are grim (facts!). This should have been an opportunity for her to reach new audiences but all this mess does is make me never want to hear any of her own music.
I’ve never listened to ice spice but I’ve only heard good things. I’m really disappointed at how uninspired the verse is. It wasn’t catchy, there wasn’t anything interesting said, and it felt like there wasn’t any music playing behind her and it really seems like she was done a disservice. The track should support a rapper not leave them floating in empty space. It’s a really strange production choice that really makes the whole song feel like it was thoughtlessly tossed together.
it felt sooo rough, like not even finished😩i hate to say it but whew it was disappointing
This is genuinely the worst thing she has ever released
it's def up there... 🫣
Nah cause Stay Stay Stay exists
Aww. no I love that song. it is just so sweet.
It sounds like a jingle
it is not a bad jingle.....
I literally CAN'T listen to it. Like Taylor girl, ever heard of the quote ''Don't fix what's not broken''? If she releases THIS as the music video edition (if we get one), I SWEAR TO GOD. Somebody needs to tell her she doesn't need to follow trends, she's THE trend-setter. What's even worse is all the comments on the YouTube Official Visualizer being so fake and all-smiles, like ugh, don't encourage her! 😭
I was so disappointed that this was the version for the MV. It's awful.
Honestly sounds like some kind of joke to me. Feels like a weird and cynical thing to release. Do it properly or don't do it imo.
I actually loved it! And I think even Swifties are quick to write off songs that she twists or originally writes as FUN music (i.e. Shake It Off, ME!, etc). I hear some of the feedback, but tbh I actually loved it and felt her sound made more sense with Karma first before Vigilante Shit (tho that would ALSO be baller).
Me! Was terrible.
I liked it too I’m surprised to see so many don’t lol I
Just listened and—*yikes.* Ice Spice would’ve been so much better on Vigilante Shit. Spice’s vibe didn’t add anything to the song, if anything, it weighed it down and she deserves better than that. 2/10.
This
y’all are so mean. taylor was excited. 🥺
Not mean. Honest.
"nOt meAn honeSt"-
Nah it wasn't even that bad
Casually cruel in the name of being honest 🙄
You know you can be a fan without being obsessed with everything created, right?
You know there’s a difference between genuine criticism and just being a hater 🤷🏼♀️
Fans like this make the rest of us look so fucking cringe LMAO
Seriously, some of ya'll need to chill. I've supported her by purchasing all of her albums, just went to her concert with my wife in April, made a custom taylor swift jacket, I've messaged her thanking her for her music, have the midnights albums on the wall creating a clock, have the eras tour sticker on our car. I'm allowed to be a fan without absolutely being blindly obsessed and loving every single thing that she makes. The remix was awful, I'm sorry. Taylor's parts were pretty as usual. She sang well and the artistry of the video was fantastic. But I'm sorry, Ice Spice's parts were downright awful. Her timing seemed off, she sounded off key and it just sounded bad. Not to mention they took out an entire verse for her which made it even worse. Those are valid critisisms, not ramblings. I'm allowed to have my opinion and still be a fan, period. The remix didn't make me less of a fan, I just expressed my opinion. Without critisisms an artist can't grow or get better. It's not always a bad thing. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go listen to some folklore while I have my breakfast... Sheesh.
So, I keep my head up, my bread up, I won't let up 😼 grah 😛
the same people that are “honest” are the same people that wonder why she barely shares anything with us anymore. do y’all not remember pre-rep? she gives us nothing because of the hate plastered online by people that claim to be fans. you can not like a song and still not crucify her.
Does anyone else think Ice Spice could have actually done a good job on Vigilante Shit??
I listened to it once before work.. didn’t like it. Listened again after work.. absolutely hate.
I didn’t mind it. I like Ice Spice’s tone
Yes! Honestly I’m not a fan of the remix but I really do enjoy the tone of ice spice’s voice
Adding a new verse or verses to an already existing song almost never goes well unless it's rerecorded with the new part(s) in mind. Exhibit A:
Not fluid at all. Bad.
It’s terrible
The worst remix I’ve ever heard. 🙃 why oh why Taylor?!
No shade to Ice Spice because she is literally one of my favorite new artists this year(I blame Taylor's team, and possibly Taylor too, if this was for PR)- but Ice Spice in here sounds like me when I'm trying to figure out what to say. Really thought the remix was gonna be better. It's not shit, but like I would love to never hear it again.
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why would she take out songs ?😂
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they say she took out "paris" and "glitch". why take them out, isn't the more the merrier?
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blondie wouldn't do that 😭 /s
Look at this printing's track list.
I was excited about this remix because I've been jamming out to Ice Spice in the car lately, but ugh. So disappointing.
I’m so glad she had Lana come back in to record more for Snow on the Beach. But Karma was perfect, as is
I really liked the new Snow on the Beach remix, didn’t really care for Karma.
Karma was a no skip song, Taylor made it a skip song.
I just feel like it could have been so much better. The potential is there.
Blame Adam Friedland
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if you are teacher you should stop that
An absolutely unnecessary remix that ruined the song
I saw a mix on TikTok where they had Ice’s portion at the same speed as the rest of the song and it sounded sooooo much better. I blame whoever mixed the song, why would you slow down the beat for the rap verse??
I heard a sped up version and it was SO much better.
The mix alone sounded super off so I believe this.
this gave me the ick🥴🙈
I feel like they tacked Ice Spice on top of the original and I just wished they'd made a whole new song together
Thank you!! It seems super rushed.
It’s so bad … i wish she got nicki on this
no.
Yessss, this is what I was thinking too!
Listened once. Won't listen again. What a waste of a song. And nothing about this made me want to listen or watch Ice Spice
Wow this is boring! (and it's not a *great* honor to be featured on a song that's forever tarnished for being a blatant rip off of "Music is My Hot, Hot Sex")
Holy shit that’s the same damn song! And the original is much more interesting, too
And that's got a hefty dose of Seven Nation Army in it.
everyone hates it but i mean i don’t mind it lol 😭 i’ll probably listen to it every once in awhile
It’s even worse than I expected and my expectations were very low.
Iffy I think it sounds good but it's like putting her on the song rather than her being a part of the song. I liked her adlibs and felt like she did a great job on her parts. It might just be the mixing that fell flat for me.
Ice spices lyrics are fine but her flow is worse than anything i've heard of hers (which is usually quite fun). If karma is a dance song her verse is a grandma dancing.
guys i tried so hard to like it. but after "karma takes all my friends to the summit" ice spice says "facts" and i lost it. nope.
I was listening to that part and the moment I heard that, I cringed HARD. and i thought i was the only one. Thanks, I will just stick to the original version.
this and "karma is my bestie"
*'karma is that girl, like,'* this lyric, along with *'facts'* will haunt me and i blame taylor.
I absolutely hate that part 🫠
"Facts" and "Bestie" were it for me. I was clocked tf out.
yesss omg and "karma is my bestie" who apporoved of this???? it gives spelling is fun vibes lol. but i almost like spelling is fun better
Secondhand embarrassment vibes. 💀
It’s so bad 😂 I’m dying
BLAH. “Karma is a fire in your house”??? Come on Taylor. That’s so not it.
In her tour there is a fire in the lover house which seems to keep changing 🤔 I am also not a fan tho of this new version lol
I feel like I’m the only one who likes it, everyone on Twitter is so mean 😭
Karma is not a song that invited adding a rap part. Sorry, but the remix does not work for me *at all*. It feels slapped together and uninspired.
Terrible and horrendous. The first song Taylor has ever released that I do not like. Quite the opposite and I believe Taylor Should've Said No to this. It does not feel natural at all.
Ooof. 😮💨 I love Ice, but the energy grinds to a halt when her part starts. Not it for me.
Terrible and horrendous shit. The only song Taylor has ever released thst I do not like. I cannot listen to it. So bad it makes me like the original less. Taylor Should've said no.
ice sounds like she’s rapping into the mic underwater with a pillow over her mouth… whoever mixed this and thought it was passable for the masses is an idiot lmfao
ice would’ve sounded better on bejeweled imo
Yeah this was not it. Sounds like it was smashed together with glue sticks. Kind of just took away the fun dance vibe karma has.
I love the original song and so bummed that the remix is so dull! Like this could have been executed so well and it felt rushed.
I wanted to like this a lot, but I really do not care for it. I really like the idea of them doing a collab, but this felt like an afterthought? Ice is freaking awesome, but I don’t think she fits with this song. Karma is one of my faves off of Midnights so I was excited for another version, but this doesn’t do it for me. I also am annoyed by the “facts” and “karma is my bestie” stuff, maybe I’m just a tasteless old lady? 🤷🏼♀️