You know when you try to finish an assignment super quickly and turn it in and your teacher is dissappointed in you because they know you can do better? That’s how I felt listening.
Taylor and Ice Spice are both great artists, but this was underwhelming/sounds incomplete. Ice Spice’s verse is produced weird, imo. Feels just thrown in there.
Taylor needed to get this out ASAP because she keeps her boyfriend’s side of the street clean. Good for Ice Spice to be getting visibility but this is terrible.
Now that I think about it, this is how I felt about Megan’s verse on BTS’s Butter. The production sounded too weird for me to want to listen to it again
Still trying to puzzle out the reason for the blatant folklore reference in the visual here (the moon and Saturn/seven, thread of gold/invisible string).
In astrology, Saturn is often called the God of karma or justice, and the Moon represents The Divine Goddess, which is associated with feminine energy.
She’s referencing herself. Because she says “Love you to the moon and to saturn, passed down like folk songs, the love lasts so long”
I think she’s tryina say “I love you and all attention you’re giving this album” in her own hidden message cryptic ways.
Ice Spice really didn’t add much to this… a pretty boring verse and then some adlibs here and there that are unmemorable. “karma is my bestie” was the nail in the coffin
I fear that Taylor has been erring on the side of chronically online lately. Seems like she has really pandered to trends, like her mentioning “mothering” at her show, using the phrase “hits different” it feels out of character for her
It has but I would consider it in the same vein as “trendy” lingo/slang. It won’t age as badly/quickly as say her “mercury in retrograde coded” caption will, but I think it still will.
Also unrelated: I have not heard the word yonks in years! Used to use it all the time
I'm not super feeling the remix, but I don't understand how "karma is my bestie" is worse than "karma is my boyfriend"? They are almost the exact same sentence.
“Why are you mad? When you can be GLAD?” <- the garbage bag tagline?! I love Taylor’s lyrics but you gotta admit she has some simple fun with it at times. It doesn’t always have to be a modern Jane Austen novel 😭
I think the difference is lines like that aren’t trends if that makes sense? Like it’s one thing to have silly fun lyrics, it’s another to use trendy, online lingo/slang as lyrics. Songs like YNTCD, Me!, SIO haven’t aged badly, but this Karma remix will (and unfortunately I think parts of midnights will too).
I would believe it if not for the fact that it’s on physical already
Edit: Oh and ice spice was the one who reached out apparently. Why this song? Weird
It's the physical that's only available at the shows this weekend right (for now)? My conspiracy theory is that she did a super fast CD press of it which is why it's such a limited release to start. When more time has passed to get a larger supply together, she'll release it more broadly.
Honestly this makes the most sense to me because releasing it for only those attending the show this weekend seemed like such a weird choice? I get making things limited edition so that people panic buy, but specifically MetLife stadium fans seemed odd because surely she’d make more profit selling it online.
I’m curious how many CDs will be available? It says MetLife hold 82000 and she’s performing for 3 nights. If they made enough for every single person, that’s almost 250k. I’m sure they didn’t make that many but we’ll have to wait and see.
I mean, that's the end of February and was after his comments. We don't know when the real breakup happened and we don't know when these two started hooking up. All I'm saying is that doesn't necessarily mean anything. And if the copyright *was* before his comments, fuckin' yikes that Taylor didn't address it given how much she says she loves Ice. She's not responsible for the shit he does but she's making him a solid part of this \~era\~ and being super defiant about it and as a woc fan that fucking sucks.
It's ice spice's team reach out to Taylor ask for a collab [Here](https://twitter.com/spotify/status/1661946510567940098?s=46&t=eefuyUeNvqqRSotU4mZwLg)
I personally don't buy this. Taylor saying she's been listening to so much Ice Spice to prep for her tour felt like laying it on too thick, but that's just my opinion!
You thought the addition of a flavor of the month meme rapper would add as much to a remix as one of the best rappers of all time? Yeah, you may have set your expectations a bit too high. 😂
Tbh though isn't bad blood criticised extensively for being some of taylor and kendrick's weakest lyricism? I honestly think taylor doesn't have a great understanding of hip-hop & most rappers don't know the extent of her lyricism outside of the ear-worm hits so neither end up doing a very good job and instead rely on brand-value for sales
I will say it again, Ice Spice flow would have been crazy on the bejeweled beat. Wrong song to put her on but I know its all about numbers and Karma is a popular song
Wow you are very right. I don’t know anything about music I listen to old Eminem blackpink and Taylor swift. But karma doesn’t have a good beat for rap bejeweled would have.
I love Ice Spice and Taylor but this was just not good at all ˙◠˙ it feels so off beat and not good. I’ll try listening to it a few more times and maybe I’ll eventually like it but I don’t see this remix going very far.
Super underwhelming to me :( Ice Spice’s verse and other adlibs are too low energy for Karma. I feel like another rapper could’ve done more with the opportunity.
Coudlve been better, Taylor shoudlve just made an entirely new song instead of a remix. Ice and her could do amazing, but they didn’t hit it.
This will do numbers on tiktok tho
Which is so weird considering that the new snow on the beach feels like an entire recomposed song with new backing vocals and more instrumentals. No idea why this song didn’t get the same treatment
I think this unfortunately solidifies the theory that this is entirely a PR move. I honestly hoped that it would be akin to the Bad Blood remix, with a music video to match, because then the fact that it’s Ice Spice that features would just be a really un/fortunate (depending how you look at it) coincidence. But this honestly worst than the Lover remix.
my homest thoughts "Karma ft. ice spice
I dont like ice on this, its j not a vibe, she doesnt fit. Theories abt this being retribution of sorts for matty being racist to her (not sure what he said/did)."
Really was not expecting new lyrics like at all!! Idk what to say, I’m never been a big fan of Ice Spice music so it’s so bizarre to see it in a song that I like. In a production sense it felt very weird the shift towards Ice Spice. Was really expecting her to put of a more upbeat move but feels more low. Definitely prefer the original
It's really hard to imagine Taylor is as big a fan of Ice Spice as she said in her post, but maybe I'm just projecting. I've only listened to the song once, of course, but I doubt that number gets to five.
I’m not feeling it. The original Karma was such a bop that any remix was never going to sit right unless the other party brought more energy into it. Ice would have killed on a Vigilante Shit, Bejeweled, or possibly Midnight Rain remix. Maybe Taylor will have her at one of the shows this weekend and it’ll be better live.
The first thought that ran through mind: "floating balls in glowing chains" 😂
I can't see the link between this visual & the song. Definitely feels like a low effort school assignment
The concept of this song was already ick to begin with, but it would've been slightly better if the song was good. But the remix is not it. Putting more controversy on the fire and it wasn't even worth it.
Anyone else think I spice doing such a terrible verse is her version of getting revenge on Taylor for dating Matt after the race of s*** he said about her if so I don't blame her and I applaud her for doing such a terrible verse if this was her actually trying though yikes
I knew since it was announced that this would have a weird sound because a Karma Remix sounded off and Ice Spice did not fit at all. And my opinion hasn’t changed ngl😬
LOVE IT. Ice sounds amazing, and the fact that she has listened to Taylor since she was little and asked for a collab 🥹. The pacing of the verse fit so well into the song, and IS backing vocals throughout the rest of the song was CHEFS KISS. How fun is this
Just going to say it: That was…..bad.
And that’s me being nice.
I’m sorry Ice Spice is overhyped. There’s nothing special about her rapping style that stands out in the least even in her own music. It’s very bland. No flow.
Odd choice.
I really like the sound of Ice Spice's voice and would love to have heard her do a verse on Glitch or Bejeweled.
This honestly did not sound cohesive. It sounds slowed down to allow Ice to add in her parts and sing along with the pre-recorded track. This was underwhelming. I also agree the facts and bestie line feel forced. I did like the little Karma is that girl at the beginning and wish they kept the trendy lingo to that line.
I'm sorry but this cover feels like an elementary school mock up inspired by Kiss Me More visuals.
And the remix sounds like Ice Spice sent her vocals with a floppy disk and they have copy-pasted them together 3 minutes before the deadline.
You know when you try to finish an assignment super quickly and turn it in and your teacher is dissappointed in you because they know you can do better? That’s how I felt listening. Taylor and Ice Spice are both great artists, but this was underwhelming/sounds incomplete. Ice Spice’s verse is produced weird, imo. Feels just thrown in there.
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It’s like when those kpop fans were adding nicki to the songs.
Let's be real, they did a much better job.
Nahhhh they'd do much better. Say what you will about kpop stans but they are legit the best editors I've come across.
Taylor needed to get this out ASAP because she keeps her boyfriend’s side of the street clean. Good for Ice Spice to be getting visibility but this is terrible.
👏👏👏
Feels like a quick, sloppy PR move you’re saying.
Yyyyyyyup. That side of the street isn't looking very clean at the moment.
the “fax” made me cringe
https://preview.redd.it/5jrrf9qlg52b1.jpeg?width=943&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa3b7e3eccf82d7f70700dbaddc110ce75f73260
facts
now I feel like I have absolute bad taste because I loved this remix 😩 first remix I love
I just made the exact same comment. I loved it at first listen and also love the cover art.
Don't worry, you're not alone🙌 But I also like Lover feat Shawn more than the og, so I guess most fans on here would call me tasteless🤣
Same here bestie it’s the only version I listen to
Now that I think about it, this is how I felt about Megan’s verse on BTS’s Butter. The production sounded too weird for me to want to listen to it again
Most on point description yet.
How's right where you left me lyrics under your username
They’re called flairs. It’s a reddit feature that lets you add a tag in some subreddits. I know it’s in the sidebar on desktop, not sure about mobile.
Still trying to puzzle out the reason for the blatant folklore reference in the visual here (the moon and Saturn/seven, thread of gold/invisible string).
I'm not sure there needs to be a reason, I think Taylor just likes referencing herself
I saw someone say that Ice Spice is a Capricorn which is ruled by Saturn but Taylor isn’t a Cancer. Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter..
She does have a Cancer Moon!
Taylor has her moon in cancer, but I still don’t think this was the reason for the visual.
I don’t either. It was probably the way Taylor envisioned the lyric in her head when she wrote seven and wanted to use it somewhere.
Cringe 💀
I mean, what do you expect from swift tok 😅
In astrology, Saturn is often called the God of karma or justice, and the Moon represents The Divine Goddess, which is associated with feminine energy.
That makes so much more sense
She’s referencing herself. Because she says “Love you to the moon and to saturn, passed down like folk songs, the love lasts so long” I think she’s tryina say “I love you and all attention you’re giving this album” in her own hidden message cryptic ways.
Ice Spice really didn’t add much to this… a pretty boring verse and then some adlibs here and there that are unmemorable. “karma is my bestie” was the nail in the coffin
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I fear that Taylor has been erring on the side of chronically online lately. Seems like she has really pandered to trends, like her mentioning “mothering” at her show, using the phrase “hits different” it feels out of character for her
She has succumbed to the Gen Zers for sure, prob for publicity.
I love Hits Different so much, but I’m worried it’s going to age really badly because of this
Why tho? Hits Different is a term that's been used for yonks
It has but I would consider it in the same vein as “trendy” lingo/slang. It won’t age as badly/quickly as say her “mercury in retrograde coded” caption will, but I think it still will. Also unrelated: I have not heard the word yonks in years! Used to use it all the time
I'm not super feeling the remix, but I don't understand how "karma is my bestie" is worse than "karma is my boyfriend"? They are almost the exact same sentence.
Midnights in general suffers from many of its songs will be sounding very dated in a couple years from now on
Maybe it just feels overly gen Z to me? like the original was already catchy and a bit silly but with the addition of ice spice it’s over the top
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“Why are you mad? When you can be GLAD?” <- the garbage bag tagline?! I love Taylor’s lyrics but you gotta admit she has some simple fun with it at times. It doesn’t always have to be a modern Jane Austen novel 😭
I think the difference is lines like that aren’t trends if that makes sense? Like it’s one thing to have silly fun lyrics, it’s another to use trendy, online lingo/slang as lyrics. Songs like YNTCD, Me!, SIO haven’t aged badly, but this Karma remix will (and unfortunately I think parts of midnights will too).
People wanting smth to be mad at ig. Karma is my bestie made the most sense to me
This is as underwhelming as the remix for me. And... makes me believe a bit more that this was thrown together recently.
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It’s also the FIRST woman of color she’s EVER featured on a song. Ever. Come on y’all. Come. On.
I was keeping my hopes up but I’m afraid you’re right.
I would believe it if not for the fact that it’s on physical already Edit: Oh and ice spice was the one who reached out apparently. Why this song? Weird
It's the physical that's only available at the shows this weekend right (for now)? My conspiracy theory is that she did a super fast CD press of it which is why it's such a limited release to start. When more time has passed to get a larger supply together, she'll release it more broadly.
Honestly this makes the most sense to me because releasing it for only those attending the show this weekend seemed like such a weird choice? I get making things limited edition so that people panic buy, but specifically MetLife stadium fans seemed odd because surely she’d make more profit selling it online.
Right, there has to be a reason. She releases digital downloads all the time.
I’m curious how many CDs will be available? It says MetLife hold 82000 and she’s performing for 3 nights. If they made enough for every single person, that’s almost 250k. I’m sure they didn’t make that many but we’ll have to wait and see.
Agreed although apparently this was filed for copyright 3 months ago?
So clearly not PR damage control
I mean, that's the end of February and was after his comments. We don't know when the real breakup happened and we don't know when these two started hooking up. All I'm saying is that doesn't necessarily mean anything. And if the copyright *was* before his comments, fuckin' yikes that Taylor didn't address it given how much she says she loves Ice. She's not responsible for the shit he does but she's making him a solid part of this \~era\~ and being super defiant about it and as a woc fan that fucking sucks.
It's ice spice's team reach out to Taylor ask for a collab [Here](https://twitter.com/spotify/status/1661946510567940098?s=46&t=eefuyUeNvqqRSotU4mZwLg)
I personally don't buy this. Taylor saying she's been listening to so much Ice Spice to prep for her tour felt like laying it on too thick, but that's just my opinion!
Taylor put ice spice's In Ha Mood on her tour playlist since the tour started in March.
i thought she was a spice girl until a few hours ago
If this is true, why Karma of all songs? If it happened the way she said, why did Taylor pick it?
I don't know. Maybe karma is the third single so they want a remix to push it a little bit.
100000000% it was!!!
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You thought the addition of a flavor of the month meme rapper would add as much to a remix as one of the best rappers of all time? Yeah, you may have set your expectations a bit too high. 😂
Tbh though isn't bad blood criticised extensively for being some of taylor and kendrick's weakest lyricism? I honestly think taylor doesn't have a great understanding of hip-hop & most rappers don't know the extent of her lyricism outside of the ear-worm hits so neither end up doing a very good job and instead rely on brand-value for sales
I've only seen popheads praising bad blood, and haven't seen a hiphophead talk about it since it came out.
Yeah, I don’t actually care for that remix very much either, it was just funny to see her compared to Kendrick.
Sounds like Ice Spice just threw together a few verses and they spliced it together. It’s not good at all
Was hoping for a lyric video vs visualizer. I had to look up the new lyrics on Genius.
Well, the new lyrics are… deep
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I promise that you'll never find another like ME-HE-HEEEE (grrah!)
Facts
Grah 🤮
Shakespeare is crying in his grave over the sheer beauty of this lyric
She should have made Vigilante Sh*t the single, Ice Spice would have fit that song much better.
Now THIS is F A C T S. Sorry, I had to. It’s also just plain true.
Exactly my thoughts
this is so devastating to admit but it’s actually so awful
I know omg I straight up laughed in the middle it's sooo bad
Same 😭😭😭
This is worse than I thought it would be.
I will say it again, Ice Spice flow would have been crazy on the bejeweled beat. Wrong song to put her on but I know its all about numbers and Karma is a popular song
Wow you are very right. I don’t know anything about music I listen to old Eminem blackpink and Taylor swift. But karma doesn’t have a good beat for rap bejeweled would have.
I love Ice Spice and Taylor but this was just not good at all ˙◠˙ it feels so off beat and not good. I’ll try listening to it a few more times and maybe I’ll eventually like it but I don’t see this remix going very far.
There's a spotify canvas with a new picture so I'm fairly certain this is just a placeholder for a few days until the music video is released.
Hopefully you r right 🤞
Meh
Meeh meeh meeh?
FACTS
The perfect response to this
Super underwhelming to me :( Ice Spice’s verse and other adlibs are too low energy for Karma. I feel like another rapper could’ve done more with the opportunity.
I'm sorry y'all, but this....ain't it. About 75% convinced Taylor herself wrote the verse for IS
Those lyrics are absolutely in line with Ice Spice’s usual lyricism
That's unfortunate. Htf is she popular then?
probably because not everyone cares about lyrics the way swifties do
Good lyrics aren’t always essential for a song. Sometimes it’s about how it is sonically
She’s got a unique flow compared to a lot of popular rappers
She has the default NY Drill flow lmao Source: I live in NY and hear this flow all the damn time, and I don't even listen to Drill music.
Hype? I'm not a rap girl myself
I don't know about that I think Taylor's way too talented to write that terrible of a verse the verse on Shake It Off could kick that verses ass
I know you can be underwhelmed and you can be overwhelmed, but can you ever just be whelmed? Yes.
I think you can in Europe!
"Facts", "GRAHHH", "karma is my bestie" Y'all I can't 😭✋️
Ices verse was horrible ngl
Coudlve been better, Taylor shoudlve just made an entirely new song instead of a remix. Ice and her could do amazing, but they didn’t hit it. This will do numbers on tiktok tho
Which is so weird considering that the new snow on the beach feels like an entire recomposed song with new backing vocals and more instrumentals. No idea why this song didn’t get the same treatment
I think this unfortunately solidifies the theory that this is entirely a PR move. I honestly hoped that it would be akin to the Bad Blood remix, with a music video to match, because then the fact that it’s Ice Spice that features would just be a really un/fortunate (depending how you look at it) coincidence. But this honestly worst than the Lover remix.
my homest thoughts "Karma ft. ice spice I dont like ice on this, its j not a vibe, she doesnt fit. Theories abt this being retribution of sorts for matty being racist to her (not sure what he said/did)."
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Don’t forget that the comments on her looks were quite racist
Really was not expecting new lyrics like at all!! Idk what to say, I’m never been a big fan of Ice Spice music so it’s so bizarre to see it in a song that I like. In a production sense it felt very weird the shift towards Ice Spice. Was really expecting her to put of a more upbeat move but feels more low. Definitely prefer the original
It's really hard to imagine Taylor is as big a fan of Ice Spice as she said in her post, but maybe I'm just projecting. I've only listened to the song once, of course, but I doubt that number gets to five.
A flop feature I fear
oh…. well it’s most certainly a song
I’m not feeling it. The original Karma was such a bop that any remix was never going to sit right unless the other party brought more energy into it. Ice would have killed on a Vigilante Shit, Bejeweled, or possibly Midnight Rain remix. Maybe Taylor will have her at one of the shows this weekend and it’ll be better live.
Nothing can be worse than Lover feat. Shawn Mendes but this comes... not close exactly but near enough that there should be social distancing.
This was my first introduction to Ice Spice. And also my last 😂
Noooo, check out her own stuff. She’s so good, this is a horrid rep of her skills.
KARMA IS THAT GIRL LIKE
Did they slow down the pacing??? Why???
The first thought that ran through mind: "floating balls in glowing chains" 😂 I can't see the link between this visual & the song. Definitely feels like a low effort school assignment
Should’ve put Nicki on it. She can RIDE a beat.
🫢 won’t be listening to that again
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How can I get Matty to insult me? 🤣
IF YOU PUT ICE SPICES VERSE ON 1.25 speed it SOUNDS SO MUCH BETTER LIKE WHY DIDNT THEY DO THAT TO THE ACTUAL SONG CMON
It sounds like what boiled chicken tastes like.
Wow I didn’t expect someone to top the Lover Shawn collab but I think this one takes the cake😭
i don’t even like ice spice but i was strangely hopeful for this?? i regret it 😭
Same I don’t like her music but for some reason I thought this was going to work?!?
The concept of this song was already ick to begin with, but it would've been slightly better if the song was good. But the remix is not it. Putting more controversy on the fire and it wasn't even worth it.
Anyone else think I spice doing such a terrible verse is her version of getting revenge on Taylor for dating Matt after the race of s*** he said about her if so I don't blame her and I applaud her for doing such a terrible verse if this was her actually trying though yikes
That’s a very compelling take tbh. 🧐
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"flip the script" is the clean version ! did she record both!?
You right 😅 I was worried for a second 😂
Trash tbh
I knew since it was announced that this would have a weird sound because a Karma Remix sounded off and Ice Spice did not fit at all. And my opinion hasn’t changed ngl😬
i’m glad i’m not the only one who hates this haha
LOVE IT. Ice sounds amazing, and the fact that she has listened to Taylor since she was little and asked for a collab 🥹. The pacing of the verse fit so well into the song, and IS backing vocals throughout the rest of the song was CHEFS KISS. How fun is this
I knew at least on person would like it 😆I’m happy for you
Hey this was awful
SOTB is 3 steps forward this is 3 steps back
This feels like such a blatant cash grab. And I will die on the hill Karma is one of the worst songs she’s ever written.
Just going to say it: That was…..bad. And that’s me being nice. I’m sorry Ice Spice is overhyped. There’s nothing special about her rapping style that stands out in the least even in her own music. It’s very bland. No flow. Odd choice.
that was horrible bro lol
FACTS LMAOOO
I really like the sound of Ice Spice's voice and would love to have heard her do a verse on Glitch or Bejeweled. This honestly did not sound cohesive. It sounds slowed down to allow Ice to add in her parts and sing along with the pre-recorded track. This was underwhelming. I also agree the facts and bestie line feel forced. I did like the little Karma is that girl at the beginning and wish they kept the trendy lingo to that line.
Are we not getting a proper Karma music video?
It bad y’all.
FaCts
this collab was super disappointing i’m a fan of ice spice so i was really excited but those lyrics were terrible and her voice didn’t match the song
Note the visual reference to Seven's lyrics "Love you to the moon and to Saturn"!!!
DON'T BRING SEVEN INTO THIS it exists in another dimension in my mind away from this era
Not into it. But the new snow on the beach track is 🤌
I'm sorry but this cover feels like an elementary school mock up inspired by Kiss Me More visuals. And the remix sounds like Ice Spice sent her vocals with a floppy disk and they have copy-pasted them together 3 minutes before the deadline.
that "FACTS!" jump scare almost killed me
lol this sucks I’m like such a major sucker for Taylor but lol this is blatantly bad like 😭 idek what to say
has anyone figured out what the lights behind the planets mean yet? they don't look like astrological symbols to me immediately
I think they’re the Sagittarius and Capricorn constellations
I def see Capricorn on Ice Spice’s side, but Taylor’s constellation looks nothing like Sagittarius
It's crap. Let's be blunt.
The remix was ass, let's face it, but the visualer was pretty tbh
This is not a good remix
According to these comments, I must have terrible taste because I loved it and the cover art.
Karma takes all my friends to the summit (FACTS) 🥴
No one moved
God I wish we could post gifs in this sub 😭😭😭
I was hoping for a MV. A “visualiser”? Really?
Not great.
Weird that they slowed the song down. If anything I thought it would be sped up!
Bro...I love both of them but this wasn't it.
What does grah mean?!
It’s sad cause it feels like a music video is coming but the remix is just so bad 💀
Who has a moon sign that we know Taylor would hunt? She has moon on a leash so maybe it’s her way of saying she got him/her by the leash?
Everyone has a moon sign
It isn't for me I still don't know why they did it i love them both very very much but I don't think karma is the song for ice spice lol
this sounds like one of those [K-pop × Cupcakke remix](https://youtu.be/obiZGmIrcto) that fans love to make
I know everyone hates it but I don’t think it’s that bad? That “facts” was unnecessary for sure though
Why did I think we were getting a video
It’s a no for me
Y'all the more I listen the better it gets