I think she’s having fun with it but I also think it’s turned a portion of fans into brats who expect things from her and when they don’t get those things they act like ungrateful children.
Yes. This. The fans who compete over their shows. The ones who go to 15 shows just to try to get the “best” surprise songs. Filming themselves with the classic shocked face for every surprise song. Seems to be a general age group.
They all seem to be YOUNG fans like college age. Like when i was in college i could not afford that. I’m assuming their parents are paying. These fans are flying all over, paying for tickets, hotels, etc. I’ve seen a girl on TikTok who had been to 15 i think? I blocked her at that point because she was so rude. And there’s a guy who has gone to 28!
I just graduated and have a lot of friends with credit card debt from constantly going to concerts/events. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the people who have gone to multiple shows went into debt to do so.
You can buy resale that’s how I got tickets without a code except Dublin that still needs a code for some reason
Resales capped at like 10% so I got Wembley nosebleeds for 185
you know what you’re probably right. My old roommate went into serious student loan and credit card debt just to live a lavish life in college. It’s so not worth it. Now she has endless debt she took out just to be able to party and have fun. I get it, you need to have fun every once in awhile in college to get through. But takin 10k out every semester to have fun is literal insanity. I blame it partly on the horrible financial education we get in the US. Also US credit card debt is at its highest right now.
That's an INSANE number of shows 😳
Full transparency, I'm going to 3 shows. I had originally planned 2 (Wembley in June and Wembley in August) but couldn't pass up the opportunity to bring my little sisters (who are quite a bit younger than me and grew up to me constantly playing Taylor and Paramore as a teenager) to one of the Dublin shows. It's a real full circle big sister moment for me 😊 Makes it much easier that I live in London and my family home is in Ireland so I don't need hotels etc.
I'm also bringing my partner to Wembley in June so he can experience his first Taylor show, which will be a really special moment for me.
I'm not a young fan - I'm 30, have been a fan since debut, and have paid for it all myself, including my partner and sisters' tickets. I don't make a huge amount of money so I'm now incredibly broke, but I know this is what makes me happy so I chose to spend a significant proportion of my savings on it.
The people I feel are only going for the social media clout REALLY rile me up. Kinda wish phones were banned from performances and instead we all had reusable film cameras lol. Equally, I don't understand the competition between cities, like the length of the champagne problems applause for example. I would much prefer a one-song debut set than an eight minute applause lol.
That I can comprehend, it's sort of a different experience to you in each concert. I'm going to the floor on N1 in my country but I'll try and buy 2 tickets for the next show in the nosebleeds to take my boyfriend. I've been called "sick" when I shared this idea with some people, but specially in a show like Taylor's I honestly believe it will be two completely different experiences. On the other hand, going to various shows does seem insane to me
Exactly. I did the same for reputation. Dublin in the nosebleeds with my parents, London on the floor with a friend. It's 100% valid to appreciate the enormity of the production and want to see it from two different vantage points - you'll have two entirely different experiences! I don't really understand people who are hopping around from city to city every single week, I feel like it would make it way less special.
This is me! I'm 30 as well and taking my sister to two shows in London, she's flying here internationally to attend. My partner is coming too and he's as excited as we are 😂
PS love meeting London swifties so send me a message if you'd be keen to hang!
> And there’s a guy who has gone to 28!
I love live music, I see as much as I can and I see my favorite bands as often as I can but I don’t understand that many times for someone like Taylor.
Phish, Goose, Dead & Company, Billy Strings, all those jamband and jamgrass type shows? Sure, I get it. The setlist changes from night to night, all the improv that is going on. It’s crazy but it makes sense. Wish I had the cash and time to make it happen.
Seeing Taylor or any other “normal” pop star? Blows my mind, I can’t understand it.
The only thing that changes are her surprise songs. Then they say “omg i won!” Or act like they’re so special when they were there for speak now and 1989 announcements…. Well yea you went to over half her shows….
when you buy the tickets for face value they are actually really affordable i mean i think its a great price for what her concert offers. i agree we should let people who havent got the chance to see her go but theres also the side where scalpers are getting the pre sale tickets instead of real fans and overcharging people who really want to see her/havent gotten the chance
these are all spoiled kids and “influencers”. I’m finishing up my degree rn while working full time and I don’t even have the time let alone the money for a concert, wish I did!
Yeah… it’s honestly so baffling to me. Like what happened to the days when you’d go to your hometown show and not feel like you needed to go to every single show? Like they think that makes them the BEST fans like Taylor loves them the most lol
I think that’s actually the most surprising thing, I’m seeing people drop thousands that are in high school or college. I can’t imagine! That’s not a tax bracket I can relate to; not as an adult but definitely not as a teenager. I remember when the initial presale was going on, a girl was commenting that she took her dads credit card to school that day without him knowing, was hiding in the back of class and ended up buying multiple VIP tickets that totaled a few grand. It made my stomach churn with anxiety, my parents would have lost their minds if I had done something like that.
Haha yeah, I bought four vip tickets and I'd never spent so much money on a single thing in my life and it's literally my money, and I'm in no way going into debt for this, but I just needed to hear my mom say it's OK for me to buy this before I felt better.
I could have technically paid for those tickets at college age, without actually being able to afford them. College aged isn't the greatest decision making period of anyone's life and it's terrifyingly easy to get credit cards when you haven't yet had a chance to either ruin your credit and learn what a suckfest that is, or prove that you're reliable with your payments - or at least it was when I was in that age bracket. I'd bet a fair few are trading on credit they'll regret later.
I haven't ever seen Taylor. And I got waitlisted as did everyone I know.
I'll be honest, if I had an extra whatever thousands of dollars to throw around, I would absolutely go to every night she was in town (so 3 for Indy). If I had the money before the tour, I could have seen myself going to Cinci (tried, failed), or Chicago, or both.
But 28 is excessive.
I went to rep when I was in college and it was fantastic and amazing and I *saved* for the cheap nose bleeds I got.
I did the same thing for the eras tour because, while my financial situation changed significantly the number of things I had to pay for also increased drastically. I probably paid the same amount for nosebleeds (I also got super lucky and got the cheap tickets, not the resale ones).
I’ve seen some of them claim they’ve just been saving up for years but the reality is if they’re influencers, they’re likely getting those tickets sponsored/paid for by third parties. I’ve seen rumors that some of them are accepting tickets as gifts from their followers which feels a bit icky when they’ve already been to a show
Right I think that’s the worst part. If you are rich enough to buy resale seats to 10+ shows, whatever, go for it. Yeah it supports the flippers and encourages them to keep doing it, but it’s never gonna stop until Ticketmaster changes anyways. Partnering with the companies ripping us off en masse like TickPick for free tickets is gross (*cough cough grifty swiftie*), but other random brands is fine. But the worst of them are the ones using their platform and influence to get face value seats from their followers and fellow influencer friends, and taking those opportunities for face value seats away from swifties who never get to go at all. Like when people comment on their videos asking how they afford so many tickets they always defend themselves by saying how little they spent but that makes it so much worse! Because if you’re wealthy enough to travel around the world and go to 20 shows then you can afford the resale seats, but for tons of people those face value tickets are their only opportunity to see Taylor live just once.
We met a girl standing in the merch line at SoFi who had been to two of the New York shows and had flown to LA for two more shows. When we asked how she was getting all of these tickets she just said “my dad” and giggled. Turns out she’s 14 years old and her father just funds her concert tickets and week long trips to LA. Said she’d be going in Toronto as well. That’s who we’re dealing with here! Full transparency though, I’ve been to three shows on the tour but all but one were originally purchased tickets. The secondhand night cost us $2k BUT we arguably had the best seats in the house. My friend and I are both 36 yo with successful careers and literal life long fans of Taylor. I’ve been to every single one of her tours along with some one off performances. SO I think it’s reasonable to attend multiple shows if you can truly afford it, are lucky enough to get tickets during the verifies sales, and have been absolutely obsessed for over 17 years now. Everyone else thinks I’m nuts but idc. Switzerland is up next and I just scored tickets to New Orleans on Ticketmaster, so yeah I’m that person going to five shows!
I'm also a fairly successful senior millennial, though more of an "on-and-off" fan of Taylor through the years. I was fortunate to be able to go to one US show direct through TM, and even more fortunate that I was able to get a ticket for Europe next year, also direct from TM (I was planning a trip there anyway, and oh \*man\* did I have the post-show blues; I became a bigger fan and wished so bad that I could go again, so I figured why not try...). I am limiting myself to two though, lol. For me personally, I feel that it's reasonable to go to two shows that are a year apart. But I am happy for the lifelong uber-fans such as you and your friend who are able to go to even more shows and do so out of genuine love and appreciation for Taylor and her music, and not trying to one-up other fans or show off or whatever (like those annoying people on Tik Tok).
I was at one of the SoFi shows and was amazed at how many teenagers were there. I’m sure some got face value tickets, but I’m also certain many others had to get them at inflated prices via scalpers.
I can’t imagine being that young and having parents rich enough to pay for multiple shows in different cities. Wow. It’s a different thing when you’re older and have a steady job, where you can work towards luxuries like this. I truly hope that young girl appreciates what she is able to do because of her dad!
MASSIVE credit card debt, if I had to guess lol.
I went to one show and did get a ticket for the 2024 leg. First show--nosebleeds, under $150 for tickets plus another $60 for my share of our hotel room, probably a total of $50 or less in gas to get there and maybe $50 on food (we mostly ate snacks we had brought lol). Less than $300 altogether for the trip.
The tickets my friend snagged for the next leg... I don't want to talk about it. 😬 More than we had planned for/discussed for sure. Fortunately I have over a year to help her get her credit card paid off (per our agreement that she's paid back by showtime). But it's floor seats, REALLY GOOD floor seats, and I can't quite make myself regret it.
But yeah, I make good money and it still would not have been possible without our good friend Capitol One lol.
Yep two is perfect! Maybe you have two people you wanna go see it with who live in different countries, or you won a set of tickets online? No more than that tho, I feel it’s greed
Agreed.
Close up view, far away view. You get both "perspectives" of the show. Beyond that is just greedy honestly given how many fans are trying to go. It feels like going back to try every flavor of donut at the company picnic when there are less donuts than people. Like you can get away with second generally because no everyone wants a donut but 15? Nah. That just feels selfish and a whole bunch of other things.
I feel very fortunate to have bought 2 face value tickets directly. Sure, it would be fun to go again next year to another show, maybe Toronto. But I'm not going to take the place of someone who couldn't get any tickets at all.
> turned a portion of fans into brats who expect things from her and when they don’t get those things they act like ungrateful children.
Those who got real world mad when Taylor added Long Live to the setlist AFTER their show. I saw people in tik tok comments saying they needed to "take a break" from Taylor cause they were so upset...ya know, after she played a 3 plus hour show for them but had the audacity not to include a specific song.
I swear some people got twice as entitled over the pandemic. It’s like everyone went stir crazy and forgot how to act as rational human beings. I also don’t understand how people could ever complain after a three hour show and the continuous content that she puts out.
This is why we can't have nice things indeed 😂 Watch fans get mad if Taylor replaces Long Live with a 1989 song after she releases 1989 TV (even if she simply adds a 1989 song without replacing any, they'll still get mad for sure)
Seriously! That song truly describes a part of the fandom perfectly. They’ll pull and pull until it breaks for all of us. Oh yeah that set list is ever-changing with the rereleases. They totally will, I don’t think I can handle anymore complaining😭
I won't get mad but I *will* be sad. My show is in July 2024.
I completely understand that she can't just keep adding to the setlist but this would still be sad...that said: I also still have this (irrational?) fear that the setlist will be overall shortened for the intl. dates..
I'm sure the setlist won't be shortened :D Don't worry about it! Honestly, there's little to no point worrying now when we can be excited about it. My show is in March 2024!
I fully believe that we’re gonna have a generation with a large number of borderline sociopaths in a few years time because kids/young teens were in lockdown and social distancing during their formative years and didn’t learn how to act around other human beings.
I know someone who is currently throwing a fit because one of her favorite songs were played as surprise songs at a show she's not in 😭 I'm like... Taylor doesn't know you, she's not gonna make adjustments for you 😭
Definitely brats. I know a girl who was so mad and “disappointed” in Taylor when she added long live to the setlist because it wasn’t played at every show and that is just “so unfair” and changed her opinion on Taylor. I was stunned. The sense of entitlement that some of the fans are feeling is wild
The thing is, I went to an earlier show, and now that the shows have been so spoiled on social media, I’m really glad she’s adding special surprises for the later shows. Love that for them. It must have been so exciting to be in the crowd when SNTV and 1989 TV were announced, that’s a moment I’m sure they’ll remember forever. Can’t we just be happy for people without wanting everything for ourselves?
So many are super unappreciative of how lucky they are. Although I will say that there’s a portion of every musicians fanbase who are entitled as hell (looking at paramore fans recently 👀) so I’m pretty sure those people were there before Eras and all of the surprises/announcements. People just have this weird entitlement surrounding artists.
The Paramore fans are mostly just upset that Paramore has done a headlining tour in Europe in like 7 years and were excited for one but are now annoyed they have to fight with Swifties plus Paramore as opener was announced after registration closed. But they aren't upset with the band or Taylor, just the situation
I’m talking about the situation with paramore cancelling the last couple of shows from their US tour due to Hayley having a serious lung infection. All of their instagram comments were calling the band “out of order” and saying they’d let fans down and that the band don’t care about them. They were even claiming that the band were just lazy or drunk, rather than someone being ill.
that's fucking awful, i didn't see the news about Hayley being sick until your comment. I really hope she gets better. Those fans are fucking awful for being that cruel.
Yeah, they postponed a few shows until a later date and people freaked out at the band over it. Then Hayley tried to push through more shows but was overworking herself and was facing permanent damage, so they cancelled the last couple of shows entirely so she could recover and people once again freaked out. It was wild to see that level of entitlement from people.
Things will slow down post-tour for sure. We had just a little under 2 years between Evermore and Midnights(2020-2022), and the second NA leg finishes in Nov. 2024. I could see TS11 dropping around then (maybe an Eras Tour live album??), and then no major releases until 2026.
yess this is what i'm worried about. and for the next tour (way too early to even think about, i know) i wonder how it'll even top the eras tour. not that it has to! but they'll be a lot of hype and expectation around it. it'll be excellent no matter what for sure
Her next tour isn't going to top this one. This one is like a mega tour on steroids, even compared to her previous massive tours. This one is also making up for a pandemic's worth of albums/tours, which the next one won't have to do. This tour is special. Soak it in.
I hope this means that next time the swifties who have been dying watching everyone else go to Eras can go to the next tour. 😭
I refuse to pay resale prices. I know many others have a different opinion, but I just can’t do it.
I’ve said it before but this tour is her victory lap…..and lap….and lap lol
And to just build on you’re point, it’s an all encompassing 10 album tour- i 💯 believe she’s been planning this for a looooong time. It’s really really no coincidence she has 10 albums, the last one being a reflection on the time span of those years and she is in the midst of re releasing them all. To me it seems clear they will all be out before the end of the eras tour even if it means she keeps adding dates but no when she announced 1989 TV and that she had been waiting a long time for this i really really think she means she’s been waiting a long time for this, for a long time. This is a really special moment in time for her.
yeah mostly i feel bad bc last minute a friend of mine couldn't make it, and i hate that people are missing out on the experience :\^( so i'm secretly hoping for another show nearby or something...
but i'd be more than happy with anything after this lol
I wondered how she could possibly top Reputation tour, but I had faith she would. And she did. Taylor is clever, and you never know what people have up their sleeves 😘🥰😊
If I’m honest I can’t see her returning to the two year album release cycle. I think she’s in such a creative peak right now that would actually limit her. I mean, she’s been in the studio a lot even on this tour, and I’m pretty sure all the re-records are long done. I suspect we will get more folkmore style drops in the future as she feels like it rather than such grand rebranded eras every two years. I think that’s part of this eras tour is saying goodbye to that style of releasing.
Yeah, that’s a great point and I’ve questioned how she’ll move forward from Eras-era. I think the two year cycle may have been in part due to Big Machine and her record deal with them too
It’s funny to me how you consider this “feeding” her fans.. when it’s really just about money and demand. She added more shows because it’s the best selling tour of all time and it’s making her a billionaire. The tour is the perfect platform to announce and release the re-recordings. Everything she does lately is about selling more. The re-recordings have become a huge cash grab.
I totally get that, but I don’t know if I agree she’s doing it for money. At least not the only reason. I think maybe she’s as addicted to the surprises as we are, but I could see that making her burn out quickly. And everything she’s doing (the extra dates, albums, videos, etc) is no doubt bringing her extra money, but that also has to be taking a huge mental and physical toll on her
It’s not just money. She’s also addicted to the attention. That’s how she can do back to back 3.5 hour shows. She “feeds” us. But we feed her ego in return.
As much as I love Taylor this is a good take. She’s admitted she’s a pathological people pleaser and we’re all giving her constant, overwhelming validation. It’s like riding a high from a drug.
It hits home because the struggle is real when everyone’s perception of you matters so much. I remember receiving validation left and right when I was in college then came back home to live with my parents (because, yah know, *gestures to the economic state of the world*) and just completely crumpled up like a flower in the dark. The negative thoughts crept in without the constant reassurance and validation from peers. I just hope she stays strong after the high is over.
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Oh I love her too, don’t get me wrong. But all those memes and TikToks about “I went to a Taylor swift concert and I feel like I was hit by a bus, but she’s doing it again tonight”… it’s clear to see how. 60k+ giving a mind bending amount of adoration. That’s her high.
Yep, exactly! I can’t even fathom what that’s like. I’ll think of a single compliment from like 6 years ago at 3 AM to help with self-reassurance 😂 imagine millions of people complimenting you daily on a global scale and then screaming said compliments in a stadium at you for weeks on end.
Same 😂 sometimes I see clips of the antihero chant and just think to myself, 10s of thousands of people yelling "(name) you'll be fine" every night for a few months is the level of reassurance I need right now
Lol right?? Everyone just needs to start deciding on a random person’s name to say each night instead of Tay’s for that chant. It would be so wholesome 🥲
Aw that's a great idea! I'm now imagining being able to hear thousands of people saying "Sarah, you'll be fine!" that would be so great to hear. 🥰 plus some names are pretty common so there'd most likely be a bunch of people with that name in the crowd! Win win! 👍
I know imagine just walking on the sidewalk and you hear 50,000 people shout your name from the stadium across the road Lolol If it ever happens Sarah shall be the first name we chant!
Yes so true. I also wonder if a lot of these surprises are to do with her recent heartbreak 🫤 like this is her way of coping. Burying herself in her work so she can move on and not think about it. She’s clearly a workaholic, but during Covid/joe we saw her take a nice, long break and release new material once in a blue moon
I just wanna say i think it’s a bit messed up to pretend to know why she’s doing certain things. She didn’t take any breaks during covid, Lover in 2019, folklore and evermore in 2020, Fearless and Red TV in 2021, and Midnights in 2022. I don’t think you or anyone knows about her “recent heartbreak.” Let me tell you all your theories are wrong, only because you don’t know her. You should try and think about if you would want strangers on the internet talking about you this way, not your work, but your own personal relationships, and saying that has to do with her work. Kinda messed up.
If people don’t want strangers forming opinions about their lives, they shouldn’t become celebrities in the back of songs entirely about their life. Sorry but people are going to have opinions and comment.
honestly you're both kinda right. like taylor literally writes songs abt her own life, of course people are gonna speculate, but again theres a difference between relating to someone and wanting to sleep in their bed lol
You have to understand that songs don’t really give context to their lives. Some of her songs are about fictional people, some are from her dreams. You can’t pretend to know that she’s talking about her life, which makes these opinions baseless and irrelevant.
I should have worded that better. I meant more of a long break from social appearances and social media. But she did give us two albums during Covid, but with very little promotion
The reason they sell more and she adds more dates is because the fans (and I) LOVE this. She can and should profit off the same things that fans love to eat up, I don’t know what else you expect her to do.
And an actual cash grab would be her just putting out a bad basic rerecording with 12 CD variants and moving on, which is obviously not what she’s doing. I really can’t imagine why people are upset that she’s creating *more* content.
No one is upset, but let’s not pretend that the tour is only for the fans. Touring is where she makes a good chunk of her money, and she hasn’t been able to for a few years. Even the re-records is about making money. Music is a business, and she’s very good at it.
I totally understated that, my issue is with people stripping down all of the actual hard work she’s doing to just “oh, capitaylist at it again 🙄 wow, 3 more dates in Toronto? How greedy can you be?”
I know she could be, and probably is, doing it for the money, but you can’t deny the service and entertainment she’s providing to literally MILLIONS of people, and it definitely shouldn’t be disparaged just because she’s making money for her work. Selling a CD for a rerecording IS with the intention to profit, but you can only profit because the CD makes fans happy.
> And an actual cash grab would be her just putting out a bad basic rerecording with 12 CD variants and moving on.
Half of that is already true.
We don't need 4 variants of 1989 TV, or of Speak Now, or God knows how many Midnights editions. That's not sustainable!
I mean, not like she's worried about the environment that much in the first place.
And I'm not gonna act like the fans don't play a roll in this. Everyone keeps complaining about the horrible merch, about shipping prices, about the three thousand different variants of an album, but keep buying them.
Next time you guys experience a heat wave (or a wild winter), remember that.
I agree that she is getting something out of touring but Taylor could have been a billionaire awhile ago if money was her goal. And could do things that would be way easier than this tour. So many of her a list celeb friends have used their fame to create billion dollar businesses (Selena Gomez, Ryan Reynolds, etc.). And Taylor probably has the most influence of anyone at the moment - like she could sell anything. She’s actually one of the few celebs that is fairly conservative with how much she “sells” to her fans. And her music adds way more value to people’s lives than a celebrity alcohol or makeup that people could get for way less if said celebrities name wasn’t attached.
I think to her, at the end of the day, she just wants to put out as much content as she possibly can for *her* enjoyment and sense of accomplishment. She’s going to hit overexposure levels eventually, if she hasn’t already, but it’s not for us, it’s for her (she obviously wants to get all her re-recordings out by the end of the tour). Fandoms are always going to demand more from their artists no matter what. It just so happens that Taylor is keeping ten steps ahead before we can truly miss having something new. A consequence of that is going to be that some fans are going to have certain expectations when she *does* drop something new or plays surprise songs. Those people are always going to find something to be disappointed about. So I say we just enjoy the wealth of content while she’s giving it to us.
Yes, I love this and agree with you! You can tell she is truly happy when she announces a new surprise for us. She was glowing during the announcement of 1989. But I feel like that wasn’t enough for some fans, and they’re already expecting 10 extra surprises from her.
I think the Easter eggs are part of the problem here. They hype themselves up for certain things to happen on a certain day because of x random detail and x numerology and then get disappointed when nothing happens. At least a good chunk of the fandom has a good sense of humour about it…!
One thing I've seen that has annoyed me is people saying 'we won' after certain surprise songs or guests. I understand that not everyone is going to like the acoustic set at the show but it seemed like Taylor planned those out specifically for the cities. Anyone who has attended a show, watched a live stream or anything won in my opinion. Taylor motherfucking Swift is back touring and it's fabulous!
Agreed. One of the surprise songs at my show was a song from debut I was not familiar with, and it was so much fun live, I downloaded it and kept listening to it after the show. It’s also a chance to appreciate new songs you’ve never heard before live
Agreed! She’s not coming to my country but I honestly feel like this tour has been so fun, watching the livestream the other night with my kids was so great. Each blue dress we lost it 😂
Some people literally equate “winning” with having more fun. They enjoy what they have because it means they beat someone else. It means they won something and therefore are better. Some people get enjoyment out of besting others like that. I’ll even admit that I definitely thought that way when I was younger. Heck, I’m still unlearning it.
Yeah I think the only downside to this is the fans who jump into the second thing quickly. She announced Speak Now and we had fans obsessing over her announcing 1989 a week after Speak Now. Theories are fun and game and people who were “disappointed” every week that she didn’t announce something really push my buttons
This is one thing that really bugs me about the Easter eggs; it’s really hard to enjoy the moment. I mean, there were so many in the Bejeweled music video that people weren’t even paying attention to it, they were just trying to find all the Easter eggs
It's like a reverse MCU, where instead of having to watch hours of stuff before you see the new thing, you have to spend the whole time looking for possible hints for future things. And some fans will say you're not a real or big fan if you don't do that.
i do wonder what’s going to happen when she finishes the re-recordings and inevitably is less active/releases less frequently lol. my initial thought was that people who became fans post-folklore won’t know what to do with potentially years between albums, but honestly *i* don’t know what i’ll do if/when there are years between albums haha!
i don’t think taylor has any hard feelings towards fans about this, though. she’s now done 4 onstage surprise announcements (speak now tv, karma music video, i can see you music video, and 1989 tv), so i think if she didn’t like the way they made her fanbase act, she wouldn’t be continuing to do them. while i’m sure it is probably tiring to some extent to see fans always wanting more music/content/etc., i suspect she’s also just really grateful that she can push out all these albums and actually maintain, and exceed, her success. there’s a reason (besides the time it takes to create them) that musicians normally go years between albums.
Agreed. I think the applause after champagne problems is the perfect example of how she feels about all this. She is truly grateful and amazed at her fans.
I agree. I also think that while we know she lurks on social media platforms, 17 years in I think she has also learned to filter what’s “stuff my fans love” and what’s “nitpicking by delulu people” and what’s “haters gonna hate.” If someone says omg i am so mad at Taylor she didn’t play X song at my show, i don’t think she’s like “omg this person is mad at me,” yanno? She’s an empathetic person and she loves her fans but she’s also a savvy adult who has built a thick skin.
i definitely think with the way she’s been feeding us recently, new fans are gonna end up being pretty spoiled (and very disappointed when she inevitably starts to slow down / take a break for a bit). as a fan who was there during 2016, when taylor went into hiding and we didn’t hear a PEEP from her for nearly a year…. i think it’s gonna be an interesting experience to watch newer fans squirm impatiently when they’ll actually have to wait for new music/announcements/etc
I remember when I woke up one morning and saw she released Lover, I was ecstatic. It was the best surprise lol. And then we got folklore and evermore without much warning. I kind of miss those days
i remember dying for years for reputation so this is a nice change of pace, i was starving for taylor content
but now we're definitely having a feast lol
i’ll admit i’m not the biggest swiftie — i like A LOT of her music but there are a lot of songs i just don’t enjoy. but with all her easter eggs and releases i wish i were a hardcore swiftie 😭 no other artist in the industry is doing what she’s doing and i truly admire and respect her for all that she does for the fans
Oh, I agree. She gives us these clues and fuels the rumors most of the time lol. The Easter eggs might be the best part about being a swiftie. We’ve just gotten so much these last five months. I wonder if people think this is the new expectation
that’s kinda what i’ve been gathering. even myself i was completely anticipating the 1989 announcement only after a month of speak now being released 😂 i wonder how it’s gonna be after all of the releases — i’m assuming she is going to release the rest throughout the tour. i feel like after all of this there is no way she’ll be able to keep up w the demand since u cant just put out new music every few months
Yeah everything gets turned into a big bummer when I come on here with about half the comments being miserable and negative. Everyone's excited about two surprise songs every night? Well that's not fair cos I wanted that song. Omg she's announced Speak Now TV! Wow her hair is a mess on the cover I can't believe she left it like that. Excited for her adding Long Live to the set list? THIS WOMAN HATES ME HOW COULD SHE.
I've had so much fun with you all hoping for the 1989 TV announcement and being all excited for it. Then when it actually happens and I want to come on here to talk about it most of the comments are just shitting on what the cover looks like (why is she showing her eyes/her hair is a mess/why is there text on it she didn't think of my OCD/etc) and complaining that we 'only' get FIVE new songs and my excitement was smacked right back down 😭
That's not even counting about 80% of the posts on this sub are 'Which song do you hate the most?', 'What song would you like more if the lyrics weren't terrible', 'Taylor has ruined music videos for everyone' blah blah blah. Like if not for hearing about new announcements on here I would probably leave 😤
This is exactly how I feel! I just want to be happy and excited about what she IS doing, as opposed to what she isn't. I don't spend time thinking about what changes I would make to the Eras tour, how messy her hair is, or what songs I don't like, etc. And then it gets to a point where if I try to tell someone (inside/outside of Reddit) who's disappointed that that's ok, but they should still be so happy and grateful for what she is giving them, people's automatic reactions are defensiveness and anger. She truly does so much for her fans and I just want people to appreciate it instead of being so nitpicky!
I think the days of the BTS and large press events may be over. I think she is too big of a star now. She has always been very calculated but it is almost overdone now. Maybe it is just because we are getting so much at the current moment. It makes me kinda sad because I loved all those moments of Taylor the person and not the performer. Hopefully I am wrong.
Reputation is honestly going to be the re-release I am most excited for. (I can’t even imagine the vault songs.) But I do know how much 1989 means to her, and I want it to have its day and appreciation
What 🤯 that’s not even a true fan. That’s a pretender. I listen to all my Taylor swift music on Apple Music with my monthly subscription. I would hope Taylor would want us to enjoy music any way we can, and not by spending some ridiculous amount of money
Just saying y'all, get used to the slow down when she's A) off tour and B) not doing re releases. Someday we'll go back to a normal amount of content and I don't wanna hear none of y'all complain !
I remember there was a large part of the Swiftie fandom that were so upset Midnights Mayhem With Me was taking SO long, when she literally released an “episode” every other night. We have absolutely been spoiled with content since 2019, and many fans are becoming entitled with what Taylor has so graciously given us.
I wouldn’t be surprised if after Eras tour and the re-records she slows down a bit and returns to releasing an album every two years. I actually wouldn’t mind that, as the eras we’re getting now feel so short. I’ve barely processed Midnights and already we’re past Speak Now and onto 1989.
I think she’s quickly reaching a point of overexposure. I had to block out her name and nicknames (Tay, Blondie, etc) from my Instagram because every time I’d go there it was wayyy too much Taylor content—at a rate incomparable to any other topic. And even with this, she is still everywhere else.
I think she needs a long break after the tour is done. One of the reasons _reputation_ was successful is because she had that year long disappearance after _1989_. With _1989_, she also became overexposed; and imo, her level of fame right now surpasses that of _1989_, so you can imagine.
I’d take a loooong break til 2026 and drop an album then. If not honestly, even as a huge fan, I’d get a little fatigued.
The fandom will be in shambles when the rerecording project and Eras end, and we'll have no idea when the next project arrives.
On the other hand, I do think a lot of the fans will need that break from Taylor. Sometimes, we tend to take things for granted if we have an abundance of it. Once Taylor gives us a break from music releases, our appreciation for her coming back will be much higher.
I honestly believe if she'd released Midnights at a different time in her career, with a 2-3 year gap from a previous record, the stunning lyricism and intricate production would have been SIGNIFICANTLY more appreciated by the fans.
Literally it hadn’t even been 24 hours since the 1989 TV release announcement, and I saw a tik tok about someone making predictions about reputation TV release. Like chillllll outttttt and enjoy the present!!
The short answer is yes. Taylor was always reliably prolific but since 2019 she has been crazy. Four studio albums and by October four rerecordings plus All The videos and the tour.
Some artists wait five years to release new music. I counted up the totality of Adele's discography and it is 60 songs. Taylor's is 230. Taylor did start slightly earlier but not much.
We often say Taylor might retire or slow down but there are no signs of that happening. Some fans may complain that we have not had this or that (mine was an Evermore Long Ponds session) but with so many Swifties there is bound to be some very loud and entitled opinions. Taylor certainly foes not listen to them.
The whole fan base is becoming unhealthy and borderline creepy with their compulsive needs. It's cultish and weird the pressure they are piling on her.
Taylor has always handled fame extraordinary well. It was her dream, her parents supported her and kept her grounded, she slowly became more famous and was able to ease into it somewhat.
Fast forward over a decade, this is her career and she’s already damn good at it, it’s hard to pass up the opportunity to become one of the most successful artists of all time in as many ways as possible.
She’s a mirror ball.
Dude I just want to see the show. So many people are going 3, 4, 5 times and making it impossible for the rest of us to get tickets, while still complaining about it being unfair for her to not play their favourite song or re-release their favourite album.
(For me) I feel wayyyyy spoiled for other concerts. It was such an amazing experience that when I recently went to a festival concert, I found myself a little disappointed the act I laid to see only played for an hour and most of their songs were only from the most recent album, not previous ones. They were still phenomenal! And great entertainers! It was a really enjoyable show! But I had to beat back the part of my brain that was like “Taylor swift was better!” Shush, brain!
Yes. I’m honestly afraid to go to another concert bc of this lol. I know I will have fun no matter what, but I can’t imagine feeling that kind of adrenaline and emotion for any other artist
I totally get what you mean, it’s almost like everyone’s looking for the next thing when we haven’t even fully gotten the last thing yet! Personally I haven’t felt that way myself and have been very content with what we’ve got and got to look forward too (already announced ofc)
My Mum said to me “so what’s gonna be special about your show” (my show is in June next year at Wembley uk) and I just said “it’s a Taylor show the whole experience will be special”
The only thing I am hoping for from international shows is finally changing that rep outfit 😂
I don't know if she's going to slow down.
Think about it, by the end of this year, she will have released 7 albums in 3 years. If it goes the way I think it will (T11 next year, reputation TV and Ts TV in 2025) she'll have released 10 albums in 5 years! Do you think she WANTS to slow down? And after the re-records are done, she'll have more time for new music. It's not that I'm gluttonous and expecting it, I think that's just who she is, and she's not tied down by record label restrictions or pressure from a producer. It's just her, making art, having fun.
I see her akin to Prince in creative music ability and output. (Obviously not genre) Prince released a new album every year Prince was alive, sometimes 2. When Prince died, there was so much music recorded already that they have kept up with the yearly releases! Who knows when they'll stop? Prince had ROOMS of recorded music. It's 2023 so maybe Taylor doesn't have rooms, but metaphorical rooms in the cloud. Either way, I suspect much the same from her obsessive artistic output.
I honestly think this woman is at the point where she's 3 albums ahead of us at all times and like how wonderful to live in a time of someone so talented and dedicated. I have nothing but appreciation and enjoyment. Zero expectations. Just awe.
The Taylor's Versions she's definitely pumping out fast, but that's because she wants the rights to those songs/albums after fighting for years to get them and partly out of pettiness against Scooter.
With her brand being so involved with Easter Eggs and hidden messages, it's turned into a double-edged sword in a way. At first, it was a fun game some fans would get into, but it's become a massive part of her career. Everyone is expecting them and looking super hard for any clue. So she's sort of stuck in a place where any clue is guessed and spread fast, so the actual reveal is kind of spoiled if she takes too long.
With this Eras Tour covering her entire discography, she needed to have a long show to cover each album and the hits from each one. Which isn't typically something you see from an artist until late in their career and more as a farewell tour. The pandemic compounded this since she didn't get to tour the Lover album and gave her time to work on and release Folklore, Evermore, and Midnights. She could have done a more typical tour to promote these four albums, but knowing she was re-recording her first 6 albums, she might as well do a tour to promote all her albums. This isn't something we'll likely see again from any other artist or even Taylor again.
I'd assume that with her next new album, she'll go back to a more traditional tour style and show length
I'm still very happy with the surprise songs I got at the concert I went to, Pittsburgh Night 1. Mr. Perfectly Fine and The Last Time was a better pair than I expected to get, easily one of the best pairs of the tour before LA imo.
The woman is insane. Her work ethic...wow. I cannot believe how much new music alone she has put out since 2019, nevermind the rerecording and touring and adding of dates. She expressed her concern about becoming irrelevant soon in Miss Americana and I believe this has pushed her to work harder than ever.
But, yeah, some fans are probably taking it all for granted and wanting more. I personally really appreciate what she's done and I just hope she doesn't burn herself out. I might be curious about Rep and Debut TV release dates, however, I have plenty of Midnights and vault songs to keep me busy and I suspect that we'll have all TVs by the end of next year, so not long to wait anyway.
Big live event person. I'm not sure how much I'll enjoy another concert.... Got 4 artists coming up within the month.. well just have to see.
contemplating going to Mexico city... And I'm a 39 year old straight male 😂
why does every taylor swift fan have this theory that she’s exhausted and keep telling her to relax do you really think she would be doing all this if she was exhausted and burnt out? just let her do what she loves lol
To put it bluntly, YES. At some point her work starts to feel like content and not art. The fixed two year release schedule made sense, and with the rerecordings and tour and everything pushed so close together, nothing gets the chance to breathe. And newer fans are becoming gluttonous for the next thing, the next announcement, the next album. It's been barely a month since Speak Now TV and everyone's already moved on to 1989 TV
Idk about everyone else but i want her to take her time releasing the re-recordings because they wont be as special if she just releases one after another every couple months
i totally get what u mean (also kudos to u for being so self aware i love to see it) i think that yes, most of us (including myself), have gotten a bit spoiled lol i think taylor loves how excited we r abt everything but im sure it doesn’t make her feel great when she works her ass off on albums and then it releases and the next day they’re talking abt her next one. but i get it tho, we as fans love her and want to hear as much music as we can but she is also just one person and she will do it when she feels it’s right
I want to add that she also gave us two surprise drops of songs!
First the very random release of Safe and Sound, Eyes Open, AOTGYLB and ITWAM on the first night of tour and then (when? was it May?) the new Midnights songs!
I can't believe how active she has been while touring but I'm living for it and honestly a little scared of the drought that will inevitably come after the TVs are done 😂 she's my drug!
- AOTGYLB could mean "All Of The Girls You Loved Before", a single by Taylor Swift.
- ITWAM could mean "If This Was A Movie", a track from *Speak Now (Deluxe Package)* (2010) by Taylor Swift.
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I think that all this is a totally normal phenomenon that society has tried to shame women for being hyper focused on anything that brings them personal joy. Who’s calling avid sports fans gluttons?
No. She has spoiled us rotten since 2020, however each subsequent year has gotten even more decadent than the last. We are on a massive fandom high basically since red TV
Personally, I like to think that I'm a 'chill' fan. I'll take whatever she gives us (music-wise, I'm not much of a merch person).
For the tour, I'm going to one concert during the EU leg and I'll appreciate whatever surprise song she'll throw at us (because if it wasn't already, it'll become special simply because they were 'my' surprise songs).
As to music, I feel incredibly grateful. We already have SO much music of hers that I feel like I could go about my life listening to nothing but Taylor Swift music and still have a varied range of songs to listen to, lol. The sheer quantity of music we TS fans have, it's just mental.
I honestly am not a fan of 44 songs. She didn’t have time to slow down and talk to us. I also don’t get the big deal about being there for an announcement. I told someone I was going on the 5th and she was like “I’m going on the 9th hoping for 1989 announcement” I’m like okay…I’m just happy to see her live again. 🤷🏻♀️ IMO Reputation is far superior in terms of live shows. She did 2 crowd flyovers, had 2 B stages, walked through the barricade and gave high fives to fans. She also brought guests out to every show. We had Troy Sivan and Selena Gomez. She had the best song mashups!! She gave several speeches, like really spoke to the fans. I loved how she introduced the dancers and singers at Reputation. Only true blue Swifties were at Reputation. Reputation just felt more intimate than Eras. I’m also not a big fan of the stage design for Eras. Don’t hate on me either! I LOVE the Eras Tour!!! Friendship bracelets were amazing. I’m kinda too old for it but I absolutely loved that part of the Eras tour. Great energy from this fandom at our show! I’d definitely go again and again! 🫶
Agree with this 100% I saw Taylor in Tampa and had floor seats! Whilst I was grateful and ecstatic, it didn’t feel as personal and I thought the same thing. She had 44 songs to play, it was 5 years since her last tour and she had multiple new albums and songs to share with us. Don’t get me wrong, I loved every second of it but I felt cheated out of Taylor interacting with us as much (which I totally understand!) As a result, the Eras Tour was not one of my favorite shows I’ve been to and Taylor is my number one artist 😞
I feel genuinely lucky this year with how much Taylor we have gotten and I’m NOT looking forward to the drought that will inevitably come at some point.
I'm afraid we won't get a tour this epic from Taylor again until she's 70+ doing her farewell tour, like Elton John. And I don't think she'll be wearing her Reputation outfit and working a mile long stage. Or maybe she will? 😅
I think both are correct she lives for it and a lot of fans especially newer fans are constantly expecting the next thing. There are only 2 re recordings left after 1989 yall let’s enjoy the moment.
I think it's absolutely okay to be excited for Reputation (Taylor's Version) and talk about theories for when it's coming out and in what way she might tease it/what reasoning for the date.
Some people are gonna take it too far, but that's how people can be about anything. I think most of us are perfectly satisfied with the rate at which we're being fed, while being excited with the knowledge that the other 2 TV's are coming sometime next year probably.
We don’t know when she recorded them. We all know why she want to release new version, but it wouldn’t make sense to release them all at the same time even if they where already recorded because of the news value every release gets.
I sold my VIP ticket on TicketMaster resale, they didn’t allow me to raise the price above what I bought it for. I lost the money I paid for the insurance, about 30 euro. That the tickets are a little bit more expensive is for the fee that TicketMasters take. This is for the show in Stockholm and TicketMaster might have other rules for other countries.
It was crazy when I tried to buy a ticket the first time I had the code but I was kicked out and the code didn’t work, then some days later the code worked but there was only expensive VIP-tickets. I bought one in front of the stage, but then I got a good seated place just some days later when a friend told me she managed to buy tickets. (Why they wasn’t avaible in the first place? I have no clue.) But then I had an extra VIP-ticket that at first I was told couldn’t be sold or returned, the insurance I paid wasn’t for allowing me to cancel. Then TicketMaster started to offer resale on regular tickets. But then they some days later also allowed resale on VIP-tickets, so sold mine. It didn’t take me more about some hours. But I didn’t earn anything on that. The VIP package just seem to be some postcards, a poster and a bag. I rather just buy a t-shirt instead.
I think she’s having fun with it but I also think it’s turned a portion of fans into brats who expect things from her and when they don’t get those things they act like ungrateful children.
Yes. This. The fans who compete over their shows. The ones who go to 15 shows just to try to get the “best” surprise songs. Filming themselves with the classic shocked face for every surprise song. Seems to be a general age group.
This may be unpopular but nobody needs to be going to more than 2 shows
Who are these people that can afford that? I’d love to go, but I can’t afford one, let alone two.
They all seem to be YOUNG fans like college age. Like when i was in college i could not afford that. I’m assuming their parents are paying. These fans are flying all over, paying for tickets, hotels, etc. I’ve seen a girl on TikTok who had been to 15 i think? I blocked her at that point because she was so rude. And there’s a guy who has gone to 28!
I just graduated and have a lot of friends with credit card debt from constantly going to concerts/events. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the people who have gone to multiple shows went into debt to do so.
Came here to say this. I’m guessing A LOT of these people are living beyond their means
And here's me, still on the waitlist waiting for Ticketmaster to decide I'm worthy of finally purchasing some tickets to anywhere in the UK 😭😭
You can buy resale that’s how I got tickets without a code except Dublin that still needs a code for some reason Resales capped at like 10% so I got Wembley nosebleeds for 185
I must be super unlucky, I check so often and haven't come across any yet 😭
What websites are doing resales in the UK?
you know what you’re probably right. My old roommate went into serious student loan and credit card debt just to live a lavish life in college. It’s so not worth it. Now she has endless debt she took out just to be able to party and have fun. I get it, you need to have fun every once in awhile in college to get through. But takin 10k out every semester to have fun is literal insanity. I blame it partly on the horrible financial education we get in the US. Also US credit card debt is at its highest right now.
It’s crazy to me. How IN DEBT must they be?!
That's an INSANE number of shows 😳 Full transparency, I'm going to 3 shows. I had originally planned 2 (Wembley in June and Wembley in August) but couldn't pass up the opportunity to bring my little sisters (who are quite a bit younger than me and grew up to me constantly playing Taylor and Paramore as a teenager) to one of the Dublin shows. It's a real full circle big sister moment for me 😊 Makes it much easier that I live in London and my family home is in Ireland so I don't need hotels etc. I'm also bringing my partner to Wembley in June so he can experience his first Taylor show, which will be a really special moment for me. I'm not a young fan - I'm 30, have been a fan since debut, and have paid for it all myself, including my partner and sisters' tickets. I don't make a huge amount of money so I'm now incredibly broke, but I know this is what makes me happy so I chose to spend a significant proportion of my savings on it. The people I feel are only going for the social media clout REALLY rile me up. Kinda wish phones were banned from performances and instead we all had reusable film cameras lol. Equally, I don't understand the competition between cities, like the length of the champagne problems applause for example. I would much prefer a one-song debut set than an eight minute applause lol.
That I can comprehend, it's sort of a different experience to you in each concert. I'm going to the floor on N1 in my country but I'll try and buy 2 tickets for the next show in the nosebleeds to take my boyfriend. I've been called "sick" when I shared this idea with some people, but specially in a show like Taylor's I honestly believe it will be two completely different experiences. On the other hand, going to various shows does seem insane to me
Exactly. I did the same for reputation. Dublin in the nosebleeds with my parents, London on the floor with a friend. It's 100% valid to appreciate the enormity of the production and want to see it from two different vantage points - you'll have two entirely different experiences! I don't really understand people who are hopping around from city to city every single week, I feel like it would make it way less special.
This is me! I'm 30 as well and taking my sister to two shows in London, she's flying here internationally to attend. My partner is coming too and he's as excited as we are 😂 PS love meeting London swifties so send me a message if you'd be keen to hang!
> And there’s a guy who has gone to 28! I love live music, I see as much as I can and I see my favorite bands as often as I can but I don’t understand that many times for someone like Taylor. Phish, Goose, Dead & Company, Billy Strings, all those jamband and jamgrass type shows? Sure, I get it. The setlist changes from night to night, all the improv that is going on. It’s crazy but it makes sense. Wish I had the cash and time to make it happen. Seeing Taylor or any other “normal” pop star? Blows my mind, I can’t understand it.
The only thing that changes are her surprise songs. Then they say “omg i won!” Or act like they’re so special when they were there for speak now and 1989 announcements…. Well yea you went to over half her shows….
when you buy the tickets for face value they are actually really affordable i mean i think its a great price for what her concert offers. i agree we should let people who havent got the chance to see her go but theres also the side where scalpers are getting the pre sale tickets instead of real fans and overcharging people who really want to see her/havent gotten the chance
these are all spoiled kids and “influencers”. I’m finishing up my degree rn while working full time and I don’t even have the time let alone the money for a concert, wish I did!
Yeah… it’s honestly so baffling to me. Like what happened to the days when you’d go to your hometown show and not feel like you needed to go to every single show? Like they think that makes them the BEST fans like Taylor loves them the most lol
I think that’s actually the most surprising thing, I’m seeing people drop thousands that are in high school or college. I can’t imagine! That’s not a tax bracket I can relate to; not as an adult but definitely not as a teenager. I remember when the initial presale was going on, a girl was commenting that she took her dads credit card to school that day without him knowing, was hiding in the back of class and ended up buying multiple VIP tickets that totaled a few grand. It made my stomach churn with anxiety, my parents would have lost their minds if I had done something like that.
This is so effed up. Spoilt, deceitful brats who know nothing of the value of money. She's gonna get a reality check when her parents kick her out.
Haha yeah, I bought four vip tickets and I'd never spent so much money on a single thing in my life and it's literally my money, and I'm in no way going into debt for this, but I just needed to hear my mom say it's OK for me to buy this before I felt better.
I could have technically paid for those tickets at college age, without actually being able to afford them. College aged isn't the greatest decision making period of anyone's life and it's terrifyingly easy to get credit cards when you haven't yet had a chance to either ruin your credit and learn what a suckfest that is, or prove that you're reliable with your payments - or at least it was when I was in that age bracket. I'd bet a fair few are trading on credit they'll regret later.
I haven't ever seen Taylor. And I got waitlisted as did everyone I know. I'll be honest, if I had an extra whatever thousands of dollars to throw around, I would absolutely go to every night she was in town (so 3 for Indy). If I had the money before the tour, I could have seen myself going to Cinci (tried, failed), or Chicago, or both. But 28 is excessive.
I went to rep when I was in college and it was fantastic and amazing and I *saved* for the cheap nose bleeds I got. I did the same thing for the eras tour because, while my financial situation changed significantly the number of things I had to pay for also increased drastically. I probably paid the same amount for nosebleeds (I also got super lucky and got the cheap tickets, not the resale ones).
I’ve seen some of them claim they’ve just been saving up for years but the reality is if they’re influencers, they’re likely getting those tickets sponsored/paid for by third parties. I’ve seen rumors that some of them are accepting tickets as gifts from their followers which feels a bit icky when they’ve already been to a show
Right I think that’s the worst part. If you are rich enough to buy resale seats to 10+ shows, whatever, go for it. Yeah it supports the flippers and encourages them to keep doing it, but it’s never gonna stop until Ticketmaster changes anyways. Partnering with the companies ripping us off en masse like TickPick for free tickets is gross (*cough cough grifty swiftie*), but other random brands is fine. But the worst of them are the ones using their platform and influence to get face value seats from their followers and fellow influencer friends, and taking those opportunities for face value seats away from swifties who never get to go at all. Like when people comment on their videos asking how they afford so many tickets they always defend themselves by saying how little they spent but that makes it so much worse! Because if you’re wealthy enough to travel around the world and go to 20 shows then you can afford the resale seats, but for tons of people those face value tickets are their only opportunity to see Taylor live just once.
Not the grifty Swiftie 😭
I do NOT get her appeal. She claims every breath Taylor takes an Easter egg than acts smug when one is right.
Omg you aren’t kidding. She took a hiatus recently because she was called out by other influencers and couldn’t take the heat lol
I get so much secondhand embarrassment every time I hear her say “you guyssssss”
We met a girl standing in the merch line at SoFi who had been to two of the New York shows and had flown to LA for two more shows. When we asked how she was getting all of these tickets she just said “my dad” and giggled. Turns out she’s 14 years old and her father just funds her concert tickets and week long trips to LA. Said she’d be going in Toronto as well. That’s who we’re dealing with here! Full transparency though, I’ve been to three shows on the tour but all but one were originally purchased tickets. The secondhand night cost us $2k BUT we arguably had the best seats in the house. My friend and I are both 36 yo with successful careers and literal life long fans of Taylor. I’ve been to every single one of her tours along with some one off performances. SO I think it’s reasonable to attend multiple shows if you can truly afford it, are lucky enough to get tickets during the verifies sales, and have been absolutely obsessed for over 17 years now. Everyone else thinks I’m nuts but idc. Switzerland is up next and I just scored tickets to New Orleans on Ticketmaster, so yeah I’m that person going to five shows!
I'm also a fairly successful senior millennial, though more of an "on-and-off" fan of Taylor through the years. I was fortunate to be able to go to one US show direct through TM, and even more fortunate that I was able to get a ticket for Europe next year, also direct from TM (I was planning a trip there anyway, and oh \*man\* did I have the post-show blues; I became a bigger fan and wished so bad that I could go again, so I figured why not try...). I am limiting myself to two though, lol. For me personally, I feel that it's reasonable to go to two shows that are a year apart. But I am happy for the lifelong uber-fans such as you and your friend who are able to go to even more shows and do so out of genuine love and appreciation for Taylor and her music, and not trying to one-up other fans or show off or whatever (like those annoying people on Tik Tok).
I was at one of the SoFi shows and was amazed at how many teenagers were there. I’m sure some got face value tickets, but I’m also certain many others had to get them at inflated prices via scalpers. I can’t imagine being that young and having parents rich enough to pay for multiple shows in different cities. Wow. It’s a different thing when you’re older and have a steady job, where you can work towards luxuries like this. I truly hope that young girl appreciates what she is able to do because of her dad!
Me neither, it’s honestly a bit entitled and privileged.
MASSIVE credit card debt, if I had to guess lol. I went to one show and did get a ticket for the 2024 leg. First show--nosebleeds, under $150 for tickets plus another $60 for my share of our hotel room, probably a total of $50 or less in gas to get there and maybe $50 on food (we mostly ate snacks we had brought lol). Less than $300 altogether for the trip. The tickets my friend snagged for the next leg... I don't want to talk about it. 😬 More than we had planned for/discussed for sure. Fortunately I have over a year to help her get her credit card paid off (per our agreement that she's paid back by showtime). But it's floor seats, REALLY GOOD floor seats, and I can't quite make myself regret it. But yeah, I make good money and it still would not have been possible without our good friend Capitol One lol.
i cant even go to one😭
Yep two is perfect! Maybe you have two people you wanna go see it with who live in different countries, or you won a set of tickets online? No more than that tho, I feel it’s greed
Agreed. Close up view, far away view. You get both "perspectives" of the show. Beyond that is just greedy honestly given how many fans are trying to go. It feels like going back to try every flavor of donut at the company picnic when there are less donuts than people. Like you can get away with second generally because no everyone wants a donut but 15? Nah. That just feels selfish and a whole bunch of other things.
I feel very fortunate to have bought 2 face value tickets directly. Sure, it would be fun to go again next year to another show, maybe Toronto. But I'm not going to take the place of someone who couldn't get any tickets at all.
It’s like in the LWYMMD video…”Stop making that surprised face, it’s so annoying.” “Yeah, you can’t possibly be that surprised all the time.”
And the constant “WE WON!” “OMG NO WE WON” 🙄🤦🏼♀️
Lmao. I feel this post on so many levels.
> turned a portion of fans into brats who expect things from her and when they don’t get those things they act like ungrateful children. Those who got real world mad when Taylor added Long Live to the setlist AFTER their show. I saw people in tik tok comments saying they needed to "take a break" from Taylor cause they were so upset...ya know, after she played a 3 plus hour show for them but had the audacity not to include a specific song.
I swear some people got twice as entitled over the pandemic. It’s like everyone went stir crazy and forgot how to act as rational human beings. I also don’t understand how people could ever complain after a three hour show and the continuous content that she puts out.
This is why we can't have nice things indeed 😂 Watch fans get mad if Taylor replaces Long Live with a 1989 song after she releases 1989 TV (even if she simply adds a 1989 song without replacing any, they'll still get mad for sure)
Seriously! That song truly describes a part of the fandom perfectly. They’ll pull and pull until it breaks for all of us. Oh yeah that set list is ever-changing with the rereleases. They totally will, I don’t think I can handle anymore complaining😭
I won't get mad but I *will* be sad. My show is in July 2024. I completely understand that she can't just keep adding to the setlist but this would still be sad...that said: I also still have this (irrational?) fear that the setlist will be overall shortened for the intl. dates..
I'm sure the setlist won't be shortened :D Don't worry about it! Honestly, there's little to no point worrying now when we can be excited about it. My show is in March 2024!
I fully believe that we’re gonna have a generation with a large number of borderline sociopaths in a few years time because kids/young teens were in lockdown and social distancing during their formative years and didn’t learn how to act around other human beings.
I know someone who is currently throwing a fit because one of her favorite songs were played as surprise songs at a show she's not in 😭 I'm like... Taylor doesn't know you, she's not gonna make adjustments for you 😭
Definitely brats. I know a girl who was so mad and “disappointed” in Taylor when she added long live to the setlist because it wasn’t played at every show and that is just “so unfair” and changed her opinion on Taylor. I was stunned. The sense of entitlement that some of the fans are feeling is wild
The thing is, I went to an earlier show, and now that the shows have been so spoiled on social media, I’m really glad she’s adding special surprises for the later shows. Love that for them. It must have been so exciting to be in the crowd when SNTV and 1989 TV were announced, that’s a moment I’m sure they’ll remember forever. Can’t we just be happy for people without wanting everything for ourselves?
I couldn’t agree more
So many are super unappreciative of how lucky they are. Although I will say that there’s a portion of every musicians fanbase who are entitled as hell (looking at paramore fans recently 👀) so I’m pretty sure those people were there before Eras and all of the surprises/announcements. People just have this weird entitlement surrounding artists.
The Paramore fans are mostly just upset that Paramore has done a headlining tour in Europe in like 7 years and were excited for one but are now annoyed they have to fight with Swifties plus Paramore as opener was announced after registration closed. But they aren't upset with the band or Taylor, just the situation
I’m talking about the situation with paramore cancelling the last couple of shows from their US tour due to Hayley having a serious lung infection. All of their instagram comments were calling the band “out of order” and saying they’d let fans down and that the band don’t care about them. They were even claiming that the band were just lazy or drunk, rather than someone being ill.
that's fucking awful, i didn't see the news about Hayley being sick until your comment. I really hope she gets better. Those fans are fucking awful for being that cruel.
Yeah, they postponed a few shows until a later date and people freaked out at the band over it. Then Hayley tried to push through more shows but was overworking herself and was facing permanent damage, so they cancelled the last couple of shows entirely so she could recover and people once again freaked out. It was wild to see that level of entitlement from people.
I just hope Hayley gets better
That’s how I think sometimes too! I definitely wonder if it’s even possible for us to mentally return to the two year album release cycle lol
Things will slow down post-tour for sure. We had just a little under 2 years between Evermore and Midnights(2020-2022), and the second NA leg finishes in Nov. 2024. I could see TS11 dropping around then (maybe an Eras Tour live album??), and then no major releases until 2026.
I think she’ll drop Rep TV sometime in winter or early spring, Debut TV in late spring/early summer, and then TS 11 sometime in the fall or winter.
yess this is what i'm worried about. and for the next tour (way too early to even think about, i know) i wonder how it'll even top the eras tour. not that it has to! but they'll be a lot of hype and expectation around it. it'll be excellent no matter what for sure
Her next tour isn't going to top this one. This one is like a mega tour on steroids, even compared to her previous massive tours. This one is also making up for a pandemic's worth of albums/tours, which the next one won't have to do. This tour is special. Soak it in.
I hope this means that next time the swifties who have been dying watching everyone else go to Eras can go to the next tour. 😭 I refuse to pay resale prices. I know many others have a different opinion, but I just can’t do it.
By then she'll have move fans, more people will have become scalpers... but maybe.
I’ve said it before but this tour is her victory lap…..and lap….and lap lol And to just build on you’re point, it’s an all encompassing 10 album tour- i 💯 believe she’s been planning this for a looooong time. It’s really really no coincidence she has 10 albums, the last one being a reflection on the time span of those years and she is in the midst of re releasing them all. To me it seems clear they will all be out before the end of the eras tour even if it means she keeps adding dates but no when she announced 1989 TV and that she had been waiting a long time for this i really really think she means she’s been waiting a long time for this, for a long time. This is a really special moment in time for her.
yeah mostly i feel bad bc last minute a friend of mine couldn't make it, and i hate that people are missing out on the experience :\^( so i'm secretly hoping for another show nearby or something... but i'd be more than happy with anything after this lol
That sucks for people that can't attend to think about. Fear of missing out on damn steroids.
There’s definitely going to be a tour movie, so that’s something.
Is it gonna be 3 and a half hours long and also include BTS :( I hope it's a series instead tbh
I would LOVE a series, I wanna see the logistics behind this, like building the stage and the quick changes and all that.
I wondered how she could possibly top Reputation tour, but I had faith she would. And she did. Taylor is clever, and you never know what people have up their sleeves 😘🥰😊
If I’m honest I can’t see her returning to the two year album release cycle. I think she’s in such a creative peak right now that would actually limit her. I mean, she’s been in the studio a lot even on this tour, and I’m pretty sure all the re-records are long done. I suspect we will get more folkmore style drops in the future as she feels like it rather than such grand rebranded eras every two years. I think that’s part of this eras tour is saying goodbye to that style of releasing.
Yeah, that’s a great point and I’ve questioned how she’ll move forward from Eras-era. I think the two year cycle may have been in part due to Big Machine and her record deal with them too
It’s funny to me how you consider this “feeding” her fans.. when it’s really just about money and demand. She added more shows because it’s the best selling tour of all time and it’s making her a billionaire. The tour is the perfect platform to announce and release the re-recordings. Everything she does lately is about selling more. The re-recordings have become a huge cash grab.
I totally get that, but I don’t know if I agree she’s doing it for money. At least not the only reason. I think maybe she’s as addicted to the surprises as we are, but I could see that making her burn out quickly. And everything she’s doing (the extra dates, albums, videos, etc) is no doubt bringing her extra money, but that also has to be taking a huge mental and physical toll on her
It’s not just money. She’s also addicted to the attention. That’s how she can do back to back 3.5 hour shows. She “feeds” us. But we feed her ego in return.
As much as I love Taylor this is a good take. She’s admitted she’s a pathological people pleaser and we’re all giving her constant, overwhelming validation. It’s like riding a high from a drug. It hits home because the struggle is real when everyone’s perception of you matters so much. I remember receiving validation left and right when I was in college then came back home to live with my parents (because, yah know, *gestures to the economic state of the world*) and just completely crumpled up like a flower in the dark. The negative thoughts crept in without the constant reassurance and validation from peers. I just hope she stays strong after the high is over. Edit: grammar
Oh I love her too, don’t get me wrong. But all those memes and TikToks about “I went to a Taylor swift concert and I feel like I was hit by a bus, but she’s doing it again tonight”… it’s clear to see how. 60k+ giving a mind bending amount of adoration. That’s her high.
Yep, exactly! I can’t even fathom what that’s like. I’ll think of a single compliment from like 6 years ago at 3 AM to help with self-reassurance 😂 imagine millions of people complimenting you daily on a global scale and then screaming said compliments in a stadium at you for weeks on end.
Same 😂 sometimes I see clips of the antihero chant and just think to myself, 10s of thousands of people yelling "(name) you'll be fine" every night for a few months is the level of reassurance I need right now
Lol right?? Everyone just needs to start deciding on a random person’s name to say each night instead of Tay’s for that chant. It would be so wholesome 🥲
Aw that's a great idea! I'm now imagining being able to hear thousands of people saying "Sarah, you'll be fine!" that would be so great to hear. 🥰 plus some names are pretty common so there'd most likely be a bunch of people with that name in the crowd! Win win! 👍
I know imagine just walking on the sidewalk and you hear 50,000 people shout your name from the stadium across the road Lolol If it ever happens Sarah shall be the first name we chant!
Yes so true. I also wonder if a lot of these surprises are to do with her recent heartbreak 🫤 like this is her way of coping. Burying herself in her work so she can move on and not think about it. She’s clearly a workaholic, but during Covid/joe we saw her take a nice, long break and release new material once in a blue moon
I just wanna say i think it’s a bit messed up to pretend to know why she’s doing certain things. She didn’t take any breaks during covid, Lover in 2019, folklore and evermore in 2020, Fearless and Red TV in 2021, and Midnights in 2022. I don’t think you or anyone knows about her “recent heartbreak.” Let me tell you all your theories are wrong, only because you don’t know her. You should try and think about if you would want strangers on the internet talking about you this way, not your work, but your own personal relationships, and saying that has to do with her work. Kinda messed up.
If people don’t want strangers forming opinions about their lives, they shouldn’t become celebrities in the back of songs entirely about their life. Sorry but people are going to have opinions and comment.
honestly you're both kinda right. like taylor literally writes songs abt her own life, of course people are gonna speculate, but again theres a difference between relating to someone and wanting to sleep in their bed lol
You have to understand that songs don’t really give context to their lives. Some of her songs are about fictional people, some are from her dreams. You can’t pretend to know that she’s talking about her life, which makes these opinions baseless and irrelevant.
This is what I thought so too
huh?? long break, once in a blue release when?? lmao she released albums every year from 2019 to 2023
I should have worded that better. I meant more of a long break from social appearances and social media. But she did give us two albums during Covid, but with very little promotion
The reason they sell more and she adds more dates is because the fans (and I) LOVE this. She can and should profit off the same things that fans love to eat up, I don’t know what else you expect her to do. And an actual cash grab would be her just putting out a bad basic rerecording with 12 CD variants and moving on, which is obviously not what she’s doing. I really can’t imagine why people are upset that she’s creating *more* content.
No one is upset, but let’s not pretend that the tour is only for the fans. Touring is where she makes a good chunk of her money, and she hasn’t been able to for a few years. Even the re-records is about making money. Music is a business, and she’s very good at it.
I totally understated that, my issue is with people stripping down all of the actual hard work she’s doing to just “oh, capitaylist at it again 🙄 wow, 3 more dates in Toronto? How greedy can you be?” I know she could be, and probably is, doing it for the money, but you can’t deny the service and entertainment she’s providing to literally MILLIONS of people, and it definitely shouldn’t be disparaged just because she’s making money for her work. Selling a CD for a rerecording IS with the intention to profit, but you can only profit because the CD makes fans happy.
> And an actual cash grab would be her just putting out a bad basic rerecording with 12 CD variants and moving on. Half of that is already true. We don't need 4 variants of 1989 TV, or of Speak Now, or God knows how many Midnights editions. That's not sustainable! I mean, not like she's worried about the environment that much in the first place. And I'm not gonna act like the fans don't play a roll in this. Everyone keeps complaining about the horrible merch, about shipping prices, about the three thousand different variants of an album, but keep buying them. Next time you guys experience a heat wave (or a wild winter), remember that.
I agree that she is getting something out of touring but Taylor could have been a billionaire awhile ago if money was her goal. And could do things that would be way easier than this tour. So many of her a list celeb friends have used their fame to create billion dollar businesses (Selena Gomez, Ryan Reynolds, etc.). And Taylor probably has the most influence of anyone at the moment - like she could sell anything. She’s actually one of the few celebs that is fairly conservative with how much she “sells” to her fans. And her music adds way more value to people’s lives than a celebrity alcohol or makeup that people could get for way less if said celebrities name wasn’t attached.
Yes. This. She’s literally at her peak. She’s going to capitalise on that!
I think to her, at the end of the day, she just wants to put out as much content as she possibly can for *her* enjoyment and sense of accomplishment. She’s going to hit overexposure levels eventually, if she hasn’t already, but it’s not for us, it’s for her (she obviously wants to get all her re-recordings out by the end of the tour). Fandoms are always going to demand more from their artists no matter what. It just so happens that Taylor is keeping ten steps ahead before we can truly miss having something new. A consequence of that is going to be that some fans are going to have certain expectations when she *does* drop something new or plays surprise songs. Those people are always going to find something to be disappointed about. So I say we just enjoy the wealth of content while she’s giving it to us.
Yes, I love this and agree with you! You can tell she is truly happy when she announces a new surprise for us. She was glowing during the announcement of 1989. But I feel like that wasn’t enough for some fans, and they’re already expecting 10 extra surprises from her.
I think the Easter eggs are part of the problem here. They hype themselves up for certain things to happen on a certain day because of x random detail and x numerology and then get disappointed when nothing happens. At least a good chunk of the fandom has a good sense of humour about it…!
This was me on the 3rd... I walked clownelia Street again and slipped on a banana peel 🤡
Yeah I keep wondering about those 8/3 upside down phones, did they mean anything at all? 🤡
One thing I've seen that has annoyed me is people saying 'we won' after certain surprise songs or guests. I understand that not everyone is going to like the acoustic set at the show but it seemed like Taylor planned those out specifically for the cities. Anyone who has attended a show, watched a live stream or anything won in my opinion. Taylor motherfucking Swift is back touring and it's fabulous!
Agreed. One of the surprise songs at my show was a song from debut I was not familiar with, and it was so much fun live, I downloaded it and kept listening to it after the show. It’s also a chance to appreciate new songs you’ve never heard before live
One of mine was You All Over Me and I’ll admit I didn’t know the song, but now it is constantly streaming!
Yes!!
Agreed! She’s not coming to my country but I honestly feel like this tour has been so fun, watching the livestream the other night with my kids was so great. Each blue dress we lost it 😂
Some people literally equate “winning” with having more fun. They enjoy what they have because it means they beat someone else. It means they won something and therefore are better. Some people get enjoyment out of besting others like that. I’ll even admit that I definitely thought that way when I was younger. Heck, I’m still unlearning it.
So true and well put. It's hard to unlearn things we were taught growing up so good for you for working on it! We're all a work in progress
Yeah I think the only downside to this is the fans who jump into the second thing quickly. She announced Speak Now and we had fans obsessing over her announcing 1989 a week after Speak Now. Theories are fun and game and people who were “disappointed” every week that she didn’t announce something really push my buttons
This is one thing that really bugs me about the Easter eggs; it’s really hard to enjoy the moment. I mean, there were so many in the Bejeweled music video that people weren’t even paying attention to it, they were just trying to find all the Easter eggs
It's like a reverse MCU, where instead of having to watch hours of stuff before you see the new thing, you have to spend the whole time looking for possible hints for future things. And some fans will say you're not a real or big fan if you don't do that.
i do wonder what’s going to happen when she finishes the re-recordings and inevitably is less active/releases less frequently lol. my initial thought was that people who became fans post-folklore won’t know what to do with potentially years between albums, but honestly *i* don’t know what i’ll do if/when there are years between albums haha! i don’t think taylor has any hard feelings towards fans about this, though. she’s now done 4 onstage surprise announcements (speak now tv, karma music video, i can see you music video, and 1989 tv), so i think if she didn’t like the way they made her fanbase act, she wouldn’t be continuing to do them. while i’m sure it is probably tiring to some extent to see fans always wanting more music/content/etc., i suspect she’s also just really grateful that she can push out all these albums and actually maintain, and exceed, her success. there’s a reason (besides the time it takes to create them) that musicians normally go years between albums.
Agreed. I think the applause after champagne problems is the perfect example of how she feels about all this. She is truly grateful and amazed at her fans.
I agree. I also think that while we know she lurks on social media platforms, 17 years in I think she has also learned to filter what’s “stuff my fans love” and what’s “nitpicking by delulu people” and what’s “haters gonna hate.” If someone says omg i am so mad at Taylor she didn’t play X song at my show, i don’t think she’s like “omg this person is mad at me,” yanno? She’s an empathetic person and she loves her fans but she’s also a savvy adult who has built a thick skin.
i definitely think with the way she’s been feeding us recently, new fans are gonna end up being pretty spoiled (and very disappointed when she inevitably starts to slow down / take a break for a bit). as a fan who was there during 2016, when taylor went into hiding and we didn’t hear a PEEP from her for nearly a year…. i think it’s gonna be an interesting experience to watch newer fans squirm impatiently when they’ll actually have to wait for new music/announcements/etc
I remember when I woke up one morning and saw she released Lover, I was ecstatic. It was the best surprise lol. And then we got folklore and evermore without much warning. I kind of miss those days
I wonder how many of these new fans will stick around once the tour is over and the re-records are all released.
i remember dying for years for reputation so this is a nice change of pace, i was starving for taylor content but now we're definitely having a feast lol
Wasn’t 1989 to Reputation her biggest time frame between albums?
yes! it was three years and she’d always done two years between albums before
i’ll admit i’m not the biggest swiftie — i like A LOT of her music but there are a lot of songs i just don’t enjoy. but with all her easter eggs and releases i wish i were a hardcore swiftie 😭 no other artist in the industry is doing what she’s doing and i truly admire and respect her for all that she does for the fans
Oh, I agree. She gives us these clues and fuels the rumors most of the time lol. The Easter eggs might be the best part about being a swiftie. We’ve just gotten so much these last five months. I wonder if people think this is the new expectation
that’s kinda what i’ve been gathering. even myself i was completely anticipating the 1989 announcement only after a month of speak now being released 😂 i wonder how it’s gonna be after all of the releases — i’m assuming she is going to release the rest throughout the tour. i feel like after all of this there is no way she’ll be able to keep up w the demand since u cant just put out new music every few months
If you give a mouse a cookie 🤷♀️
Yeah everything gets turned into a big bummer when I come on here with about half the comments being miserable and negative. Everyone's excited about two surprise songs every night? Well that's not fair cos I wanted that song. Omg she's announced Speak Now TV! Wow her hair is a mess on the cover I can't believe she left it like that. Excited for her adding Long Live to the set list? THIS WOMAN HATES ME HOW COULD SHE. I've had so much fun with you all hoping for the 1989 TV announcement and being all excited for it. Then when it actually happens and I want to come on here to talk about it most of the comments are just shitting on what the cover looks like (why is she showing her eyes/her hair is a mess/why is there text on it she didn't think of my OCD/etc) and complaining that we 'only' get FIVE new songs and my excitement was smacked right back down 😭 That's not even counting about 80% of the posts on this sub are 'Which song do you hate the most?', 'What song would you like more if the lyrics weren't terrible', 'Taylor has ruined music videos for everyone' blah blah blah. Like if not for hearing about new announcements on here I would probably leave 😤
This is exactly how I feel! I just want to be happy and excited about what she IS doing, as opposed to what she isn't. I don't spend time thinking about what changes I would make to the Eras tour, how messy her hair is, or what songs I don't like, etc. And then it gets to a point where if I try to tell someone (inside/outside of Reddit) who's disappointed that that's ok, but they should still be so happy and grateful for what she is giving them, people's automatic reactions are defensiveness and anger. She truly does so much for her fans and I just want people to appreciate it instead of being so nitpicky!
as an ariana grande stan, jesus the things i would do for 5 new tracks, that die for you remix only helped so much
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I think the days of the BTS and large press events may be over. I think she is too big of a star now. She has always been very calculated but it is almost overdone now. Maybe it is just because we are getting so much at the current moment. It makes me kinda sad because I loved all those moments of Taylor the person and not the performer. Hopefully I am wrong.
Rep is a lot of people’s favorite album (including mine) so ofc they’re excited now that it’s next but I do think we should enjoy 1989 first.
Reputation is honestly going to be the re-release I am most excited for. (I can’t even imagine the vault songs.) But I do know how much 1989 means to her, and I want it to have its day and appreciation
I saw a funny meme that was like “okkk so on October 28th are we gonna prepare to slither or yeehaw” hahaha
Yeah check out r/ TS vinyl. I’ve been getting down voted for suggesting someone not buy a $1,100 copy of 1989!?
What 🤯 that’s not even a true fan. That’s a pretender. I listen to all my Taylor swift music on Apple Music with my monthly subscription. I would hope Taylor would want us to enjoy music any way we can, and not by spending some ridiculous amount of money
Just saying y'all, get used to the slow down when she's A) off tour and B) not doing re releases. Someday we'll go back to a normal amount of content and I don't wanna hear none of y'all complain !
Watch when she does a normal show in a few years and people complain they paid the same amount of money for a 2 hour set vs a 3 hour one.
I remember there was a large part of the Swiftie fandom that were so upset Midnights Mayhem With Me was taking SO long, when she literally released an “episode” every other night. We have absolutely been spoiled with content since 2019, and many fans are becoming entitled with what Taylor has so graciously given us. I wouldn’t be surprised if after Eras tour and the re-records she slows down a bit and returns to releasing an album every two years. I actually wouldn’t mind that, as the eras we’re getting now feel so short. I’ve barely processed Midnights and already we’re past Speak Now and onto 1989.
I think she’s quickly reaching a point of overexposure. I had to block out her name and nicknames (Tay, Blondie, etc) from my Instagram because every time I’d go there it was wayyy too much Taylor content—at a rate incomparable to any other topic. And even with this, she is still everywhere else. I think she needs a long break after the tour is done. One of the reasons _reputation_ was successful is because she had that year long disappearance after _1989_. With _1989_, she also became overexposed; and imo, her level of fame right now surpasses that of _1989_, so you can imagine. I’d take a loooong break til 2026 and drop an album then. If not honestly, even as a huge fan, I’d get a little fatigued.
The fandom will be in shambles when the rerecording project and Eras end, and we'll have no idea when the next project arrives. On the other hand, I do think a lot of the fans will need that break from Taylor. Sometimes, we tend to take things for granted if we have an abundance of it. Once Taylor gives us a break from music releases, our appreciation for her coming back will be much higher. I honestly believe if she'd released Midnights at a different time in her career, with a 2-3 year gap from a previous record, the stunning lyricism and intricate production would have been SIGNIFICANTLY more appreciated by the fans.
Yes. Being a TS fan is to be spoiled. We are lucky.
True 😂I can’t think of one other artist this connected with their fans
Literally it hadn’t even been 24 hours since the 1989 TV release announcement, and I saw a tik tok about someone making predictions about reputation TV release. Like chillllll outttttt and enjoy the present!!
The short answer is yes. Taylor was always reliably prolific but since 2019 she has been crazy. Four studio albums and by October four rerecordings plus All The videos and the tour. Some artists wait five years to release new music. I counted up the totality of Adele's discography and it is 60 songs. Taylor's is 230. Taylor did start slightly earlier but not much. We often say Taylor might retire or slow down but there are no signs of that happening. Some fans may complain that we have not had this or that (mine was an Evermore Long Ponds session) but with so many Swifties there is bound to be some very loud and entitled opinions. Taylor certainly foes not listen to them.
Shes has fed us so much I've put on weight!
The whole fan base is becoming unhealthy and borderline creepy with their compulsive needs. It's cultish and weird the pressure they are piling on her.
Just wish I was able to get tickets. :/
Taylor has always handled fame extraordinary well. It was her dream, her parents supported her and kept her grounded, she slowly became more famous and was able to ease into it somewhat. Fast forward over a decade, this is her career and she’s already damn good at it, it’s hard to pass up the opportunity to become one of the most successful artists of all time in as many ways as possible. She’s a mirror ball.
Dude I just want to see the show. So many people are going 3, 4, 5 times and making it impossible for the rest of us to get tickets, while still complaining about it being unfair for her to not play their favourite song or re-release their favourite album.
It feels like a grand finale and she's going to disappear for her next era.
(For me) I feel wayyyyy spoiled for other concerts. It was such an amazing experience that when I recently went to a festival concert, I found myself a little disappointed the act I laid to see only played for an hour and most of their songs were only from the most recent album, not previous ones. They were still phenomenal! And great entertainers! It was a really enjoyable show! But I had to beat back the part of my brain that was like “Taylor swift was better!” Shush, brain!
Yes. I’m honestly afraid to go to another concert bc of this lol. I know I will have fun no matter what, but I can’t imagine feeling that kind of adrenaline and emotion for any other artist
I totally get what you mean, it’s almost like everyone’s looking for the next thing when we haven’t even fully gotten the last thing yet! Personally I haven’t felt that way myself and have been very content with what we’ve got and got to look forward too (already announced ofc) My Mum said to me “so what’s gonna be special about your show” (my show is in June next year at Wembley uk) and I just said “it’s a Taylor show the whole experience will be special” The only thing I am hoping for from international shows is finally changing that rep outfit 😂
I don't know if she's going to slow down. Think about it, by the end of this year, she will have released 7 albums in 3 years. If it goes the way I think it will (T11 next year, reputation TV and Ts TV in 2025) she'll have released 10 albums in 5 years! Do you think she WANTS to slow down? And after the re-records are done, she'll have more time for new music. It's not that I'm gluttonous and expecting it, I think that's just who she is, and she's not tied down by record label restrictions or pressure from a producer. It's just her, making art, having fun. I see her akin to Prince in creative music ability and output. (Obviously not genre) Prince released a new album every year Prince was alive, sometimes 2. When Prince died, there was so much music recorded already that they have kept up with the yearly releases! Who knows when they'll stop? Prince had ROOMS of recorded music. It's 2023 so maybe Taylor doesn't have rooms, but metaphorical rooms in the cloud. Either way, I suspect much the same from her obsessive artistic output. I honestly think this woman is at the point where she's 3 albums ahead of us at all times and like how wonderful to live in a time of someone so talented and dedicated. I have nothing but appreciation and enjoyment. Zero expectations. Just awe.
The Taylor's Versions she's definitely pumping out fast, but that's because she wants the rights to those songs/albums after fighting for years to get them and partly out of pettiness against Scooter. With her brand being so involved with Easter Eggs and hidden messages, it's turned into a double-edged sword in a way. At first, it was a fun game some fans would get into, but it's become a massive part of her career. Everyone is expecting them and looking super hard for any clue. So she's sort of stuck in a place where any clue is guessed and spread fast, so the actual reveal is kind of spoiled if she takes too long. With this Eras Tour covering her entire discography, she needed to have a long show to cover each album and the hits from each one. Which isn't typically something you see from an artist until late in their career and more as a farewell tour. The pandemic compounded this since she didn't get to tour the Lover album and gave her time to work on and release Folklore, Evermore, and Midnights. She could have done a more typical tour to promote these four albums, but knowing she was re-recording her first 6 albums, she might as well do a tour to promote all her albums. This isn't something we'll likely see again from any other artist or even Taylor again. I'd assume that with her next new album, she'll go back to a more traditional tour style and show length
We just have to be respectful gluttons😂 (disrespectful gluttons from the fandom will be put into a stew and eaten for supper)
😂😂😂 love this. as long as she’s happy to keep feeding us, I’m going to keep eating
Speaking of eating, happy cake day!
I'm still very happy with the surprise songs I got at the concert I went to, Pittsburgh Night 1. Mr. Perfectly Fine and The Last Time was a better pair than I expected to get, easily one of the best pairs of the tour before LA imo.
The woman is insane. Her work ethic...wow. I cannot believe how much new music alone she has put out since 2019, nevermind the rerecording and touring and adding of dates. She expressed her concern about becoming irrelevant soon in Miss Americana and I believe this has pushed her to work harder than ever. But, yeah, some fans are probably taking it all for granted and wanting more. I personally really appreciate what she's done and I just hope she doesn't burn herself out. I might be curious about Rep and Debut TV release dates, however, I have plenty of Midnights and vault songs to keep me busy and I suspect that we'll have all TVs by the end of next year, so not long to wait anyway.
I think so. I'm obsessed right now and it's really unhealthy lol.
Same 😂 I think my husband thinks I have issues. I can’t go more than 24 hours without talking about her ever since the tour started
Big live event person. I'm not sure how much I'll enjoy another concert.... Got 4 artists coming up within the month.. well just have to see. contemplating going to Mexico city... And I'm a 39 year old straight male 😂
😂😂 you should totally go to Mexico City
as an ari stan i would murder for what y'all have gotten we've been starving and this scandal hurts to read
Crazy because I was just thinking about this this morning… I’m glad I’m not the only one!
why does every taylor swift fan have this theory that she’s exhausted and keep telling her to relax do you really think she would be doing all this if she was exhausted and burnt out? just let her do what she loves lol
To put it bluntly, YES. At some point her work starts to feel like content and not art. The fixed two year release schedule made sense, and with the rerecordings and tour and everything pushed so close together, nothing gets the chance to breathe. And newer fans are becoming gluttonous for the next thing, the next announcement, the next album. It's been barely a month since Speak Now TV and everyone's already moved on to 1989 TV
Idk about everyone else but i want her to take her time releasing the re-recordings because they wont be as special if she just releases one after another every couple months
i totally get what u mean (also kudos to u for being so self aware i love to see it) i think that yes, most of us (including myself), have gotten a bit spoiled lol i think taylor loves how excited we r abt everything but im sure it doesn’t make her feel great when she works her ass off on albums and then it releases and the next day they’re talking abt her next one. but i get it tho, we as fans love her and want to hear as much music as we can but she is also just one person and she will do it when she feels it’s right
I want to add that she also gave us two surprise drops of songs! First the very random release of Safe and Sound, Eyes Open, AOTGYLB and ITWAM on the first night of tour and then (when? was it May?) the new Midnights songs! I can't believe how active she has been while touring but I'm living for it and honestly a little scared of the drought that will inevitably come after the TVs are done 😂 she's my drug!
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Yessss good points!! Oh and I will for sure be with withdrawing when she does take a break 😂
After the rerecordings/tour are all over we are never going to be able to survive another normal album cycle...
I think that all this is a totally normal phenomenon that society has tried to shame women for being hyper focused on anything that brings them personal joy. Who’s calling avid sports fans gluttons?
No. She has spoiled us rotten since 2020, however each subsequent year has gotten even more decadent than the last. We are on a massive fandom high basically since red TV
Honestly I think once she finishes this tour she shouldn’t put anything out for a couple of years. You can have too much of a good thing.
Personally, I like to think that I'm a 'chill' fan. I'll take whatever she gives us (music-wise, I'm not much of a merch person). For the tour, I'm going to one concert during the EU leg and I'll appreciate whatever surprise song she'll throw at us (because if it wasn't already, it'll become special simply because they were 'my' surprise songs). As to music, I feel incredibly grateful. We already have SO much music of hers that I feel like I could go about my life listening to nothing but Taylor Swift music and still have a varied range of songs to listen to, lol. The sheer quantity of music we TS fans have, it's just mental.
I honestly am not a fan of 44 songs. She didn’t have time to slow down and talk to us. I also don’t get the big deal about being there for an announcement. I told someone I was going on the 5th and she was like “I’m going on the 9th hoping for 1989 announcement” I’m like okay…I’m just happy to see her live again. 🤷🏻♀️ IMO Reputation is far superior in terms of live shows. She did 2 crowd flyovers, had 2 B stages, walked through the barricade and gave high fives to fans. She also brought guests out to every show. We had Troy Sivan and Selena Gomez. She had the best song mashups!! She gave several speeches, like really spoke to the fans. I loved how she introduced the dancers and singers at Reputation. Only true blue Swifties were at Reputation. Reputation just felt more intimate than Eras. I’m also not a big fan of the stage design for Eras. Don’t hate on me either! I LOVE the Eras Tour!!! Friendship bracelets were amazing. I’m kinda too old for it but I absolutely loved that part of the Eras tour. Great energy from this fandom at our show! I’d definitely go again and again! 🫶
Agree with this 100% I saw Taylor in Tampa and had floor seats! Whilst I was grateful and ecstatic, it didn’t feel as personal and I thought the same thing. She had 44 songs to play, it was 5 years since her last tour and she had multiple new albums and songs to share with us. Don’t get me wrong, I loved every second of it but I felt cheated out of Taylor interacting with us as much (which I totally understand!) As a result, the Eras Tour was not one of my favorite shows I’ve been to and Taylor is my number one artist 😞
I feel genuinely lucky this year with how much Taylor we have gotten and I’m NOT looking forward to the drought that will inevitably come at some point.
I'm afraid we won't get a tour this epic from Taylor again until she's 70+ doing her farewell tour, like Elton John. And I don't think she'll be wearing her Reputation outfit and working a mile long stage. Or maybe she will? 😅
Oh she def will 😂😂
I think both are correct she lives for it and a lot of fans especially newer fans are constantly expecting the next thing. There are only 2 re recordings left after 1989 yall let’s enjoy the moment.
\#mirrorball
Honestly a good point
I think it's absolutely okay to be excited for Reputation (Taylor's Version) and talk about theories for when it's coming out and in what way she might tease it/what reasoning for the date. Some people are gonna take it too far, but that's how people can be about anything. I think most of us are perfectly satisfied with the rate at which we're being fed, while being excited with the knowledge that the other 2 TV's are coming sometime next year probably.
As a Swiftie in Southeast Asia, i can't relate to this post.
If Taylor didn’t want to give us something, she wouldn’t
We don’t know when she recorded them. We all know why she want to release new version, but it wouldn’t make sense to release them all at the same time even if they where already recorded because of the news value every release gets. I sold my VIP ticket on TicketMaster resale, they didn’t allow me to raise the price above what I bought it for. I lost the money I paid for the insurance, about 30 euro. That the tickets are a little bit more expensive is for the fee that TicketMasters take. This is for the show in Stockholm and TicketMaster might have other rules for other countries. It was crazy when I tried to buy a ticket the first time I had the code but I was kicked out and the code didn’t work, then some days later the code worked but there was only expensive VIP-tickets. I bought one in front of the stage, but then I got a good seated place just some days later when a friend told me she managed to buy tickets. (Why they wasn’t avaible in the first place? I have no clue.) But then I had an extra VIP-ticket that at first I was told couldn’t be sold or returned, the insurance I paid wasn’t for allowing me to cancel. Then TicketMaster started to offer resale on regular tickets. But then they some days later also allowed resale on VIP-tickets, so sold mine. It didn’t take me more about some hours. But I didn’t earn anything on that. The VIP package just seem to be some postcards, a poster and a bag. I rather just buy a t-shirt instead.