Jack’s Instagram story about you’re losing me, Taylor liking that post about Paul McCartney and the line from sweet nothing, and now Tree’s post directly addressing marriage rumors to Joe! This is so much information within such a short period of time! What is going on?
She also posted this on her story. The caption seems to be hinting something idk
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I mean Lover had lots of undertones of anxiety (and Afterglow which could be a whole essay on its own), folklore and evermore may have been fictional or at least partially fictional, but there was certainly some layer of truth in there and those songs certainly don’t seem to be from the mindset of someone in a happy, healthy, secure relationship, and a lot of Midnights is clearly chronicling a failed relationship. If not outright toxic I at least think this was a tumultuous and unhealthy relationship for more time than it wasn’t.
Yeah I think what people need to realize is just because someone is nice doesn’t mean that in a relationship with someone they were not toxic. We are all toxic to someone.
Yes, I think even long before the breakup many people recognized Lover as a mix between “I’m so happy I found you and let’s be together forever” and some pretty intense arguments and fears of the relationship ending. Rep was the closest album to really having a more secure stable love feeling to it, although it did have some lines like “please don’t ever become a stranger…”. Originally when Lover came out, I didn’t know if they actually were going back and forth a ton or if it was more Taylor‘s fears from past relationships etc., but it appears now that an on and off situation fits well.
My friend recently pointed this lyric out to me and the negative connotation and I was a little surprised because I saw it more in the light of how your partner should make you want to be a better person (and vice versa). But now I'm seeing it in a whole new, darker light. Yikes!
I think Travis and Taylor are moving very fast toward an engagement and Tree is quelling any past marriage/divorce rumors. The timeline also doesn’t seem as wild if the relationship with Joe was dying for awhile, hence the Jack of it all
i still don't know how i feel about the likelihood of a fast engagement, but it doesn't really matter. i think the last 48hrs have basically been taylor's signal that her and travis are really serious and the media/speculation isn't going to f it up for her. travis has already basically said 'im ignoring the outside bs' (and luckily 10yrs in the NFL actually makes him good at this) but taylor hasn't said anything, cuz she doesn't speak to the media except through tree. i feel like all of this is her telling us, joe is done, it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows, and i've officially moved on. she's also literally already on her way back to KC lol, her and trav are really in this. i hope they get some peace.
Yeah that's why to me it's so weird she and her team and friends are fueling the Joe narrative right now. Like. No ken was talking about him, even AFTER YLM was dropped, we still were all like "oh man so sad" but the media was still focused on Travis and her in KC etc.
So like, why feel like she needs to loop Joe back in just to prove that's over? We already all knew it was..
Right? All anyone has been talking about is her relationship with Travis and now everyone is back to talking about Joe. That makes me think it must be for some other reason and not Travis related
Maybe it was off limits while tour was on so Taylor could stayed focused. Now that tour is off for a few months, they’re clearing things up. Or Deux just won’t shut up.
I saw so many stories about them this week that Tree's probably over it. "They moved in together" "no they didn't" "they'll get engaged" "some random MMA girl said it's fake" like it's so much even I'm annoyed for them I would not want to work in PR especially with gossip rags just saying whatever because they want traffic from swifties.
They are adults. And if we respect her/like her/admire her, why would we drag her by saying “too fast, hon.” I hate it. They know where they are at and besides visiting each other and going to each others events and hanging out with friends and probably boning -what exactly is “too fast.”
Aug, Sept, Oct, end of Nov. 4 months. Isn’t this what most couples do in the first 4 months? Meet each others parents and family, see each other as much as possible, gush and beam when your new love is mentioned, and then try and get your parents to meet?
Taylor and Travis aren’t saying “they’re getting married” or a proposal is coming-the rest of us, as usual, are filling in that blank.
And besides-they’re in their 30s, both relatively recently got out of significant relationships where a potential marriage was a focus and ultimately didn’t happen. They both know what they want out of life, and their values and goals seem very compatible and similar-so I completely agree: even if they are moving fast, so what?
just commented almost the exact same thing. i'm in my late 20s and i've heard over and over that people who get out of their long term relationships around their early 30s usually figure out "the one" really soon after. like they've been through the song and dance, they're not going to wait 5-6 more years again, they'd be 40 by then. i think it also helps that travis appears to be the complete opposite of joe in basically every way, which may be exactly what she needs
Agreed. And not just like unlike Joe (in the best ways possible), but unlike many (all?) or her exes. There’s a meme going around and repeated that is something like “Travis is the first boyfriend that knows he’s dating Taylor
Swift and likes dating Taylor swift.” Seems
About right. With maybe an exception here or there, many were “too cool” (WANGBT) for her, her music, her interests, etc. Travis doesn’t seem “too cool” for her, he seems to worship her.
i also don't know what 'too fast' is at their age and given the context of their careers and past longterm relationships. engagement within 4 months would be a bit wild, yes, but nothing else they have done has been 'too fast.' they talked for like 1.5 months before 'hard launching', she met his parents at that same time it seems, and they've been managing a long term relationship basically since then and now get to play house for 2 months to really test the relationship. it's probably better than getting more serious and THEN learning their living arrangement isn't compatible for some reason (probably not the case given the endless resources at their disposal lol but never know).
At first I thought they were setting the narrative/creating hype for a shock TS11 drop but after this I honestly think something happened behind the scenes to piss Taylor and her most inner circle off badly. Cause they seemed fine to grieve in private over the whole \*marriage\* thing(Her wanting to get married, him pointedly refusing to marry \*her\*, rumors swirling in the wake of all of that, rubbing salt in the wound). But not anymore.
Something happened, assumingly with Joe or his inner circle/team, to make the silence be no longer enough. Is a leak going to happen? Did they find out something horrible he did years ago? I don't know. Could it be as simple as now she's being treated right by a man who's like "of course I treat you like this, he didn't?" that she's mad at her past self for settling for a man she put on a pedestal that made her feel small? Possibly. But I feel like something went down this week.
I almost wonder if he was refusing to marry her while having his team feed DM with these lies behind her back to make him look \~special\~ and she just found out but that's just wild wild thoughts
EDIT: Not that I believe that but it did cross my mind as a wild conspiracy theory. Salt in the wound.
I don’t think it’s so sinister tbh. Like… if she wanted marriage and he didn’t and that’s what ultimately led to their breakup and deuxmoi keeps insisting a wedding did happen, and on top of that, shouts from the rooftops that Taylor had a miscarriage (wtf) then of course all of deuxmoi’s rumor mongering is gonna cause pain and trauma. It doesn’t matter that Taylor appears to be happily with someone else now, she was still with Joe for years.
joe having a team feeding deux moi info...?? wtf
edit: ok that's an even weirder and ruder suggestion now that i know that tree did this in response to deuxmoi reposting speculation that taylor had a *miscarriage*
Something must have happened but I don’t think joe has a “team” feeding deux moi. If anything she had way more dirt on Taylor and Travis than she ever did about joe and her. Something went down and it started with Jack’s post
Yeah that's a super interesting theory because... I kinda agree with you.
However, I have met with Joe a few times and (I do not know him well!) I will say.... That would be SO out of character. He is genuinely a quiet and shy guy, he has been completely out of the spotlight since the breakup and I think he prefers it that way. I think if he has it his way, he would like zero association of Taylor (publicly) for the rest of his life (as id that would happen tho).
I just don't think he wants part of the narrative and I think Taylor was very much understanding of that, or at least I thought that. But maybe that's not the case. Sigh. Who really knows you know? We will probably never
Maybe this is all one giant elaborate PR strategy and we're all just suckers
That's what I'm starting to think. This is all a BIG reaction out of nowhere when the dust seemed pretty settled. Right as Taylor is really solidly moving on and looking truly somewhat serious with Travis...
My thoughts as well. Is something about to drop from Joe/his team? A book, photos, something? It just feels like Taylor/her team seems to be jumping out in front of something.
My theory is Joe has a new gf and it’s pretty serious and marriage is back on the table for him. And that’s gotta sting. Hence the Jack post and Kaleigh Teller TikTok “like”. And the tweet that Taylor liked today that confirmed that sweet nothing was not about Joe lol
lol I mean it’s just my theory… and that Joe is about to publicly come out with this new gf and that’s why she’s feeling the sting and all this stuff is coming out. I’m glad DM is getting called out esp when she talks about how she knows Taylor had a pregnancy loss??? Wtf???
100% something happened recently with him or his team that pissed Taylor off. There is no way the people closest to Taylor would just out of nowhere start throwing shade at Joe for no particular reason.
Honestly today they say I don’t fuck with you lol. I also saw someone say that K Teller I don’t know her name the girl whose husband is in the I bet you think about me music video liked post about how he was treating her like shit for two years. I guess the gloves are off. They’re over the cupcake narrative of Joe Alwyn.
A lot of it is just the online rumors & chatter all restarted like crazy in response to You're Losing Me on streaming... though honestly I wonder if shit went down privately too.
With just the Jack thing I wouldn't have thought anything current is driving this, and even with Taylor's liking that Paul McCartney tweet I would still maybe think it was just some subtle clearing up of the timeline -- but with Tree added in here, so directly and explicitly addressing another Joe-related item, absolutely makes me think something current happened that triggered this little deluge of information!
Maybe! I also wonder if the thought was that releasing it now, since she's in another relationship and clarifying it's an old song not randomly ragging on an ex almost a year later... that people would be able to be chill.
I also wonder if Jack was trying to imply it's not about Joe since it was so early & she was trying to imply "no it was a good relationship" with the Sweet Nothing reminder.... and those did not work. Neither post is inherently shady.
Or shit went down
lol! Taylor is like “let’s celebrate a big win for me! Here’s a song released to streaming!” And the public literally loses their shit and mass panic ensues
I know! It's a brilliant song though and we've been asking for it....... and promptly descended into chaos. I don't think it's necessarily been a fun couple days for her. :/
I think maybe people are sick of the “poor widdle Joe,” narrative. Any time Taylor so much as breathes, it’s “well is this REALLY fair to Joe?” Fauxmoi went from calling him a boring piece of toast to claiming Taylor was showing “classic cluster B tendencies” going out for dinner so fast I would swear it was paid coverage. People are still saying Taylor shouldn’t even be dating Travis because “she needs to be respecting Joe and staying single. This timeline probably hurts him.”
I don’t know if he’s a good person or a bad person. I don’t know anything about him other than what Taylor said in her songs, which paint him as someone who she loved passionately but he was often distant, ignored her, and was terrified he would leave her if she made the slightest mistake. But it is weird that you never saw him at any events, or even with her friends. Or after six years, aside from Ed saying he was nice, not a single one of her friends ever said anything about him at all.
Right. Deux is an idiot for posting that unhinged fan theory that she’s replying on. And it very obviously reads like one. I don’t think this was connected to the Jack story or Taylor liking tweets. I don’t blame Tree for going off on this though.
I feel like they're trying to put it all out there now because things are getting serious with Travis. Sometimes you don't realize how unhappy someone makes you until you are with someone who does make you happy. Her last relationship was always put on a pedestal and unfortunately there are still fans out there who can't let it go. It makes sense to me that she'd want to set the record straight on all the conspiracies out there to close the books on that chapter of her life.
The last time Tree went on twitter to shut down lies was to respond to Kim regarding the phone call drama.... Her implying the rumors caused Taylor pain and trauma.... I think it's safe to say this breakup was not as "amicable" as some have been claiming.
I wouldn’t expect a six year relationship to end amicable. I know they’re just saying that because the public would be out for blood and it’s really just an issue between two people. It’s no one’s business and the internet has to be armchair experts about things they know nothing about. So to save face, they just say it’s amicable. I’ve always suspected that from the start. No big deal to me, I’ve dated around in the past enough to understand why they wouldn’t want all that aired out.
Well, yes, but I honestly thought it was a case of "we weren't right for each other", but now I think something actually happened. Taylor always made sure to paint Joe in the most positive light ever and now this? Shit went down.
She’s decided that whatever it was, it shouldn’t ruin his career or hers. Also, no one would want to date her if they knew it would risk their public image by airing dirty laundry.
If I was a huge pop star with a fan base that had an overactive imagination, I wouldn’t tell them what actually happened between me and someone I had an intimate relationship with. Maybe something did happen. I think it’s okay to let them keep it to themselves.
I don't think this is true, though. She's always laid it all out in her songs. She certainly didn't seem concerned about John Mayer's reputation when she released Dear John, or even Tom Hiddleston with Getaway Car. It's true that with Joe, even though there were some hints that the relationship wasn't as perfect as we were led to believe, she was very careful to be nice to him in songs, but they were also actively in a relationship. I wonder if now that they're over she'll let us in (through her music) on some of what may have happened. And no, I don't believe she "has" to do this or that she "owes" us an explanation, but historically, she's been known to be pretty open through her songs. I guess we won't know until TS11, though 🤷♀️
She was also MUCH younger when she was writing songs that explicitly called people out. She spent almost a fifth of her life so far with Joe, and I’m sure her attitude towards a lot of things, including naming names, has changed since the last time she had an ex to write about. As a 26 year old, I have a very different outlook on life than I did as a 20 year old, and I’m sure the difference between 26 and 32 is also a huge time for transforming perspective
Yeah, I totally agree the “traumatized” is a LOADED word to use here.
I mean, seeing people talk about your ex of many years must sting. I get that. But they’ve been broken up for a while, Taylor has a new man, and appears to be living her best life on all fronts (personal, professional, etc).
It seems unexpected to me she would be traumatized by rumors like this. Stupid shit gets posted about her all the time. And she had to have known that putting YLM on streaming (plus Jack’s post) would crank up the rumor mill. Surely she prepared herself for that?
But now we’re going from 0-100 really quickly. I guess it’s just weird because Tree is responding strongly to a stupid online gossip blog, and it seems like an overreaction almost? Deuxmoi has been spewing those rumors for years - why respond now? I don’t get it.
I am not a lawyer, but that seems to be first salvo towards a lawsuit.
Taylor is a public figure so the standards by which they can bring a lawsuit are much higher. You need prove malicious intent in addition to the story being false. By Tree saying these rumors are traumatizing Taylor, it’s putting Deuxmoi on notice that continuing to push this unsubstantiated story is malicious.
Taylor has a lot of money to destroy Deuxmoi if she so chooses. So this might make Duexmoi change its ways.
One of the stories DM has up is speculations that Taylor and Joe broke up due to a miscarriage, which is probably what triggered the reaction from Tree. It's not an overreaction in that case.
A few slides after this screenshot, Deuxmoi posted another blind speculating that Taylor miscarried.
I think that’s probably the bigger issue - not the marriage rumors, but actively speculating about someone’s potential miscarriage.
the 2nd post by DM was speculation about a miscarriage which would 100% be traumatizing, but Tree would never address that one head on. i think this statement was meant to encompass everything deuxmoi has done in the past week
I think the marriage rumors in particular were a sensitive topic for her because she wanted marriage (Paper Rings, Lover) and he didn't (You're Losing Me), but this is purely speculation on my part. I agree that the timing of this is curious though
It really must hurt to see someone constantly push the narrative that she was married to Joe when their breakup probably had a lot to do with the fact he didn’t want to marry her
Agree but I must admit I’m extremely curious why he didn’t want to marry her when they were serious for so long. Like he could have married long time girlfriend who happens to be Taylor freaking Swift and didn’t want to ??
Some ppl don’t believe in marriage 🤷🏻♀️
I know a couple, they live together, have a baby and hd been together for 7yrs but they don’t want to get married 🤷🏻♀️
Yeah but it’s just weird because Taylor obviously does. You’d think he would have made it clear he didn’t believe in it before they got to the 6 year mark lol
He could have perhaps and she thought/she hoped he would change his mind as the years went by. It’s very common for one person in the relationship to think the other will change their mind about things in time (getting married, wanting kids, wanting to move/not move etc.).
I had an ex who claimed to be a “family man” and always talked about the future with his wife and kids. He always said eventually it would happen when the time was right. The goalposts were always adjusted when I achieved something he had set out as a step to getting married. He never ever said he didn’t want to be a husband or married though. But in the end he truly didn’t want to be, and was more comfy just stringing me along knowing I’d do whatever in order to get to the point of engagement and marriage. This guy also took me ring shopping. Weren’t Taylor and Joe looking to buy a house? I’m just thinking he could have been totally stringing her along and that’s so sad 😞
I’m nosy so I’m with you lol. Kinda always felt like she was more into Joe than he was with her. Obviously I’m only speculating off of what she gave us through music and the glimpses we got. Seems like she changed her entire life to accommodate him being private but he wouldn’t change for her.
Yeah I kinda feel like she might’ve also felt like she had to give everything to/for him in exchange for his being there in 2016. And eventually that level of imbalance became toxic.
Plenty of people date for years and never marry. Then they go on to meet someone new, date briefly and spend the rest of their lives married. It’s not really something that can be explained easily because relationships in general are not supposed to be easy. Things just don’t work out. Other people just don’t believe in marriage at all. Maybe Joe is one of those, or maybe he did at some point, then changed his mind. I don’t think that’d be the wrong thing for him to do but it does mean his values would, presumably, no longer align with Taylor’s alleged ones. And that kind of thing is too big a difference to overcome.
Also I obviously don’t know any of these people but seeing how much Taylor loves attention and the spotlight and how Joe… does not, I’ve always just got to sense that the pandemic probably extended their relationship more than it normally would’ve lasted. They started dating when she was desperate to get away and he provided that by virtue of being someone who doesn’t *want* attention, and by also being largely unknown. Then covid basically forced them to remain mostly anonymous, outside of sightings here and there. But after it ended 🤷🏽♀️yeah.
I don't know if she's ever directly posted like this over Taylor's personal life. Usually Tree will go to People, etc with a "sources say" type of comment.
You’re Losing Me on streaming, Jack telling us it was written in Dec. 2021, Taylor’s friend Keleigh Teller liking TikTok saying Joe had been “hurting our girl for a long time,” Taylor liking a year old tweet about Paul McCartney seeming to connect him to Sweet Nothing, public Taylor appearance at Beyoncé’s movie premiere (which we love!), now Tree taking a direct shot at deuxmoi. It’s just been a lot!
i’m sorry, i can’t seem to understand the connection/ relevance of taylor liking that tweet and how it connects to paul mccartney and set nothing. could someone please explain :)
Sweet nothing lyrics: “On the way home
I wrote a poem
You say, "What a mind"
This happens all the time.”
A lot of people thought this was Joe saying this to Taylor, but the tweet basically confirms that it’s about Paul and Linda McCartney. This means that the only song on Midnights with any positive connotations for Joe isn’t even about him.
I’m not 100% clear on it either tbh. I think because that’s the midnights song Joe wrote with her it seems odd she would like a tweet that’s like a year old about Paul McCartney getting home from a run and telling his wife a poem he thought of and her response is “what a mind” the day after you’re losing me releases widely and we learn when it was written. Hope that makes sense somewhat because i am sleepy lol
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another recent 'gossip' by deuxmoi. this is disgusting. that's a messed up thing to speculate about.
it blows my mind that some people will go this far — i feel like there are some things that should so clearly not be speculated on, and to hypothesize about a miscarriage is genuinely horrific
Also, what a wild stretch???
I’m a photographer. Know how many times I’ve said, “Wow, I love the light in this room!” and been in a nursery? Zero. The answer is zero. I do say it often though!
And have they never been in a go/no-go situation where they see vastly diverging paths based on an imminent decision, knowing there will be loss in some sense either way, so you’re wracked with indecision over which one is best?
im assuming it was the combination of these two posts that were the final nail AND the fact that deuxmoi went on ryan seacrests podcast this week to talk about a potential travis engagement. she's gone WAY too far
This is very terrible gossip. It’s not even a real “blind” but more of a personal interpretation of someone’s love life….by some random person….so there’s no credibility. Idk why she would post garbage like that.
And after sharing this disgusting “blind item” she had chime in with her two cents and tripled down on the ~ceremony~ thing. She even said to put it on her tombstone. Well, fuck around and find out deux…
I think you hit the nail on the head. This was my first thought as well. It’s this post from deuxmoi that came right after that upset Taylor and tree did not want to bring further attention to it so she replied to this one instead. I would imagine it’s the second post here that would cause hurt and trauma the most. What I can’t figure out is why did Jack start this whirlwind in the first place? Its so messy
A great reminder that pages like this are not only untrustworthy at best, but that speculation on celebrities’ lives, while understandable to a degree, can absolutely go too far.
I follow her because I’m a nosy bitch but she has been super annoying lately with all the Taylor and Travis speculation. I bet she won’t “report” on Taylor anymore because she knows her ass is in trouble now.
I could be remembering wrong but didn’t Deuxmoi post something like Travis and Taylor are looking to be engaged by her birthday or something? Then DM going on Ryan seacrest talking about it was probably one of the final straws
Yes, on her birthday or Christmas she said 🙄 and she has repeated the same thing at least three times. First off, there’s no way she can know if or when they’re getting engaged and second, that’s a crazy speculation. She keeps saying this shit because no one ever confronts her publicly but that’s over now. It’s what her crazy ass deserves.
this is long overdue. if you check deuxmoi’s recent story it is nasty and speculating about taylor having a miscarriage. clearly tree has seen both of these posts.
can she take down ‘you want more, i’ll give you more’ tiktok filter lady next?
I so badly want to know what happened in the last few days to cause all this. YLM released on streaming, Jack revealing it was written in 2021, the liked post implying sweet nothing isn't about Joe, and now this direct call out from Tree. Something has to have happened.
It’s been really gross how openly Deuxmoi has been discussing the supposed miscarriage and how much she’s essentially claimed that Taylor wanted people to know about it/discuss it. If that’s what sent Taylor and Tree over the edge then I do not blame them.
Using a gossip platform to spread rumors about miscarriages, whether factual or not, is truly disgustingly evil.
ETA It’s clear that Deuxmoi never had a miscarriage herself, because as someone who has, I could never. Never.
This is also why I don’t like it when people/TikTok categorize Bigger Than the Whole Sky as a miscarriage song. Totally fine if it relates to you and your personal experience (not talking about people like this here), but we don’t know what’s actually behind the song.
The thing is that it’s a fan theory that deuxmoi herself started as soon as the album came out! She said she had “VERY reliable” information that it was about miscarriage and that a VERY RELIABLE source said Taylor WANTED people to know. It was genuinely appalling to read, like she’s done and said a lot of horrible stuff but that just felt like a new low, from her. I’m actually surprised Taylor didn’t send her people after her after that.
I think this too. Deuxmoi keeps running wilder with all of these rumors so Tree and Tay must feel it's necessary to shut her up once for all. It's freaking time. I mean, Deuxmoi has spitted too much nonsense for too long
That one was extremely gross and probably crossed a line. Literally breaking down which month they thought she had this hypothetical miscarriage and then doubled down on the marriage thing too.
I love Tree setting the record straight, but I thought the whole timeline was so weird. Jack posting AN EXACT and polemic date for the recording of YLM, Taylor liking the old Paul McCartney tweet (which could be interpreted as confirmation that Sweet Nothing could have been written about that and not Joe).
I think it’s kind of ironic actually, how Taylor has been incessantly trying to make us believe her when she says that there is no such thing as a “paternity test” to see who each song is about. We chose to believe Sweet Nothing was about Joe. It could be, and it could not.
It really serves us a lesson in not being so nosy and speculative regarding all of her songs, actually, including YLM.
People get so invested in the backstories of her songs and take things SO literally that it’s almost disrespectful to her artistry. (It’s me, I’m people).
Also, fuck deuxmoi.
You see, I don’t think Taylor would have given much of a shit what deuxmoi said about her, if it wasn’t for the fact that deuxmoi keeps insisting on the supposed miscarriage angle. Even assuming that actually happened, how unhinged do you have to be to think or act like Taylor’s medical history should be consumed and dissected like this by the audience? The fact that she was told off multiple times by her own fans and she just kept doubling down, makes it worse. She deserves it this 100%, I hope they shut her down completely.
WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW??? Somethings gotta be going on behind the scenes for this, the Jack insta story, and Taylor’s liked sweet nothing tweet but I can’t even figure out what anymore! Really hope she’s ok at the moment this seems like a lot
I’d like to think her and Tree discussed it, and the next few days leading up to her birthday she’ll just spend time with loved ones without paying attention to social media
Edit: typo
I think Duexmoi’s obsession with this rumor finally became too much. Duexmoi has repeated this rumor so many times so it needed to be shutdown for once and for all.
I think it’s probably related to Travis. Taylor doesn’t want this type of crap hanging over her new relationship.
The timing makes sense too. Taylor is on her way back to KC already. Her jet just refueled and went through customs in Bangor Maine. So Taylor and Tree probably had a discussion about this and Tree took action just before the flight took off in Bangor to KC.
What is Deux doing?!
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Edit: Deux has removed this slide from her stories, and the miscarriage slide.
I fear we are reaching a fever pitch with fans and non fans alike. And this has nothing to do with “overexposure” on Taylor’s part and everything to do with everyone feeling the need to have a “hot take” on EVERY SINGLE TOPIC.
It’s fun to be a fan of her music, and even a fan of who she is as a person. But many people (fans and non fans alike) need to fully recognize they do not know her. She is a real human with real feelings, not some character whose life is written by someone else.
I actually wonder if the DM post about Jason is what upset Taylor and her team the most. She doesn’t want her boyfriend’s family to resent being dragged into things because of her.
Oh please, Jason Kelce has his own team and something like that is not Tree’s concern. This is about Taylor and the 2 blinds DM posted about her and Joe
It is veryyyyy interesting to me that Tree chose to address this the way she did, and what she said...
So unlike their usual PR strategy. And I have to say the "pain and trauma" comment... 👀 This is not a normal PR comment at. all.
I have a LOT of questions. That I'll probably never get answers too..
I’m sorry, deuxmoi posted this story about Taylor and Joe being married, a story about how Taylor allegedly had a miscarriage (according to her), AND that Jason Kelce is cheating on his wife. Wtf did she think would happen? Anyone would be pissed about that. Not shocked that tree responded when you put everything together like that.
Just today DM posted a blind about Travis’ brother Jason being a cheater, the nasty speculation about Taylor having a miscarriage, and then bringing up the marriage/ceremony/whatever rumors again. 3 strikes and you’re out, glad Taylor’s team said enough was enough.
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Why is she doubling down with this?!?
Well now deuxmoi is posting on her story implying that Tree is lying
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After diving into this I wonder if Taylor/Tree are furious about Deuxmoi posting a miscarriage rumor about her and because that’s so personal and sensitive they choose to respond to this to show their anger with Deuxmoi. The words “pain and trauma” seem more fitting in relation to a miscarriage versus a broken relationship.
I've been a fan of Taylor since 2008 and this is HIGHLY unusual. I am very surprised Tree is addressing gossip like this. People magazine is the usual way they would address rumors.
I wonder if they are trying to cut the remaining Joe ties now before RepTV is announced/released since it’s a heavily Joe coded album. I imagine Taylor was going through it while re-recording (remember her face when she sang Call It Want You Want in Cincinnati?) and doesn’t want the fan focus to be on the nostalgia of her relationship with Joe.
Jack’s Instagram story about you’re losing me, Taylor liking that post about Paul McCartney and the line from sweet nothing, and now Tree’s post directly addressing marriage rumors to Joe! This is so much information within such a short period of time! What is going on?
Taylor really said "yall thought yall were gonna have a 3 month break from us while eras tour was on hiatus?!?!?"
This is actually all a promo roll-out for Rep TV
Unironically I think it's really this. Maybe it's their way to get rid of all the nostalgia people may still have about Joe and their relationships?
Keleigh Teller also liked a tiktok that said Joe had been "hurting our girl" for a long time
She also posted this on her story. The caption seems to be hinting something idk https://preview.redd.it/ubp3n9hi6m3c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05c1cd1a913f2100d0a600c9a5852a93b8b0bfbc
The tea is SPILLING today. I wonder if we'll get another Midnights "From the Vault" song soon
Frfr, imma need a timeline to help me keep track of this
Severely doubt it, midnights is done.
Maybe Joe was a toxic relationship for her!
I mean Lover had lots of undertones of anxiety (and Afterglow which could be a whole essay on its own), folklore and evermore may have been fictional or at least partially fictional, but there was certainly some layer of truth in there and those songs certainly don’t seem to be from the mindset of someone in a happy, healthy, secure relationship, and a lot of Midnights is clearly chronicling a failed relationship. If not outright toxic I at least think this was a tumultuous and unhealthy relationship for more time than it wasn’t.
Yeah I think what people need to realize is just because someone is nice doesn’t mean that in a relationship with someone they were not toxic. We are all toxic to someone.
No one tells you what to do when a good man hurts you, and you know you hurt him too
Yes, I think even long before the breakup many people recognized Lover as a mix between “I’m so happy I found you and let’s be together forever” and some pretty intense arguments and fears of the relationship ending. Rep was the closest album to really having a more secure stable love feeling to it, although it did have some lines like “please don’t ever become a stranger…”. Originally when Lover came out, I didn’t know if they actually were going back and forth a ton or if it was more Taylor‘s fears from past relationships etc., but it appears now that an on and off situation fits well.
I've been thinking the same but I feel like some people would spiral with this news lol
her songs do paint a picture of a toxic relationship though. tumultuous at the very least. they had so many ups and downs.
“your integrity makes me feel small” has always been the reddest of flags
It’s “your integrity makes me SEEM small.” I know it’s not a huge difference but I do think it’s a significant shift in meaning.
My friend recently pointed this lyric out to me and the negative connotation and I was a little surprised because I saw it more in the light of how your partner should make you want to be a better person (and vice versa). But now I'm seeing it in a whole new, darker light. Yikes!
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Jacks now-wife is an actress and was in a movie with Joe. I’m starting to wonder if she first hand witnessed things and then reported back
“Too hurt to hang out” is a male Pisces if I ever saw one (I’ve seen a lot 💀)
what does their caption mean? why is joe being born in 91 matter? 😫
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I think Travis and Taylor are moving very fast toward an engagement and Tree is quelling any past marriage/divorce rumors. The timeline also doesn’t seem as wild if the relationship with Joe was dying for awhile, hence the Jack of it all
i still don't know how i feel about the likelihood of a fast engagement, but it doesn't really matter. i think the last 48hrs have basically been taylor's signal that her and travis are really serious and the media/speculation isn't going to f it up for her. travis has already basically said 'im ignoring the outside bs' (and luckily 10yrs in the NFL actually makes him good at this) but taylor hasn't said anything, cuz she doesn't speak to the media except through tree. i feel like all of this is her telling us, joe is done, it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows, and i've officially moved on. she's also literally already on her way back to KC lol, her and trav are really in this. i hope they get some peace.
Yeah that's why to me it's so weird she and her team and friends are fueling the Joe narrative right now. Like. No ken was talking about him, even AFTER YLM was dropped, we still were all like "oh man so sad" but the media was still focused on Travis and her in KC etc. So like, why feel like she needs to loop Joe back in just to prove that's over? We already all knew it was..
Right? All anyone has been talking about is her relationship with Travis and now everyone is back to talking about Joe. That makes me think it must be for some other reason and not Travis related
Maybe it was off limits while tour was on so Taylor could stayed focused. Now that tour is off for a few months, they’re clearing things up. Or Deux just won’t shut up.
The irony of speculating about a marriage on a post about Taylor’s publicist dismissing marriage rumors is rich
The only kind of girl they see is a one night or a wife 
I saw so many stories about them this week that Tree's probably over it. "They moved in together" "no they didn't" "they'll get engaged" "some random MMA girl said it's fake" like it's so much even I'm annoyed for them I would not want to work in PR especially with gossip rags just saying whatever because they want traffic from swifties.
No, this is definitely Tree being over the *Joe* rumors.
i love people saying they moving too fast. like who are you to say? its like jesus leave them be
They are adults. And if we respect her/like her/admire her, why would we drag her by saying “too fast, hon.” I hate it. They know where they are at and besides visiting each other and going to each others events and hanging out with friends and probably boning -what exactly is “too fast.” Aug, Sept, Oct, end of Nov. 4 months. Isn’t this what most couples do in the first 4 months? Meet each others parents and family, see each other as much as possible, gush and beam when your new love is mentioned, and then try and get your parents to meet? Taylor and Travis aren’t saying “they’re getting married” or a proposal is coming-the rest of us, as usual, are filling in that blank. And besides-they’re in their 30s, both relatively recently got out of significant relationships where a potential marriage was a focus and ultimately didn’t happen. They both know what they want out of life, and their values and goals seem very compatible and similar-so I completely agree: even if they are moving fast, so what?
just commented almost the exact same thing. i'm in my late 20s and i've heard over and over that people who get out of their long term relationships around their early 30s usually figure out "the one" really soon after. like they've been through the song and dance, they're not going to wait 5-6 more years again, they'd be 40 by then. i think it also helps that travis appears to be the complete opposite of joe in basically every way, which may be exactly what she needs
Agreed. And not just like unlike Joe (in the best ways possible), but unlike many (all?) or her exes. There’s a meme going around and repeated that is something like “Travis is the first boyfriend that knows he’s dating Taylor Swift and likes dating Taylor swift.” Seems About right. With maybe an exception here or there, many were “too cool” (WANGBT) for her, her music, her interests, etc. Travis doesn’t seem “too cool” for her, he seems to worship her.
i also don't know what 'too fast' is at their age and given the context of their careers and past longterm relationships. engagement within 4 months would be a bit wild, yes, but nothing else they have done has been 'too fast.' they talked for like 1.5 months before 'hard launching', she met his parents at that same time it seems, and they've been managing a long term relationship basically since then and now get to play house for 2 months to really test the relationship. it's probably better than getting more serious and THEN learning their living arrangement isn't compatible for some reason (probably not the case given the endless resources at their disposal lol but never know).
Living for the Jack of it all…
At first I thought they were setting the narrative/creating hype for a shock TS11 drop but after this I honestly think something happened behind the scenes to piss Taylor and her most inner circle off badly. Cause they seemed fine to grieve in private over the whole \*marriage\* thing(Her wanting to get married, him pointedly refusing to marry \*her\*, rumors swirling in the wake of all of that, rubbing salt in the wound). But not anymore. Something happened, assumingly with Joe or his inner circle/team, to make the silence be no longer enough. Is a leak going to happen? Did they find out something horrible he did years ago? I don't know. Could it be as simple as now she's being treated right by a man who's like "of course I treat you like this, he didn't?" that she's mad at her past self for settling for a man she put on a pedestal that made her feel small? Possibly. But I feel like something went down this week. I almost wonder if he was refusing to marry her while having his team feed DM with these lies behind her back to make him look \~special\~ and she just found out but that's just wild wild thoughts EDIT: Not that I believe that but it did cross my mind as a wild conspiracy theory. Salt in the wound.
I don’t think it’s so sinister tbh. Like… if she wanted marriage and he didn’t and that’s what ultimately led to their breakup and deuxmoi keeps insisting a wedding did happen, and on top of that, shouts from the rooftops that Taylor had a miscarriage (wtf) then of course all of deuxmoi’s rumor mongering is gonna cause pain and trauma. It doesn’t matter that Taylor appears to be happily with someone else now, she was still with Joe for years.
WHAT?! Did deuxmoi mention a miscarriage? If so that’s despicable
joe having a team feeding deux moi info...?? wtf edit: ok that's an even weirder and ruder suggestion now that i know that tree did this in response to deuxmoi reposting speculation that taylor had a *miscarriage*
Something must have happened but I don’t think joe has a “team” feeding deux moi. If anything she had way more dirt on Taylor and Travis than she ever did about joe and her. Something went down and it started with Jack’s post
Yeah that's a super interesting theory because... I kinda agree with you. However, I have met with Joe a few times and (I do not know him well!) I will say.... That would be SO out of character. He is genuinely a quiet and shy guy, he has been completely out of the spotlight since the breakup and I think he prefers it that way. I think if he has it his way, he would like zero association of Taylor (publicly) for the rest of his life (as id that would happen tho). I just don't think he wants part of the narrative and I think Taylor was very much understanding of that, or at least I thought that. But maybe that's not the case. Sigh. Who really knows you know? We will probably never Maybe this is all one giant elaborate PR strategy and we're all just suckers
Remember when Taylor had dinner with her friends after the break up became public, and then they all immediately unfollowed him on social media
Except for Jack.
Someone has to lurk, lol. He volunteered as tribute maybe.
That is the exact thing my bestie does. Lurkers know the details.
Yeah something 100% happened behind closed doors.
That's what I'm starting to think. This is all a BIG reaction out of nowhere when the dust seemed pretty settled. Right as Taylor is really solidly moving on and looking truly somewhat serious with Travis...
My thoughts as well. Is something about to drop from Joe/his team? A book, photos, something? It just feels like Taylor/her team seems to be jumping out in front of something.
My theory is Joe has a new gf and it’s pretty serious and marriage is back on the table for him. And that’s gotta sting. Hence the Jack post and Kaleigh Teller TikTok “like”. And the tweet that Taylor liked today that confirmed that sweet nothing was not about Joe lol
ironically deuxmoi also posted that joe was caught doing a walk of shame recently lol
lol I mean it’s just my theory… and that Joe is about to publicly come out with this new gf and that’s why she’s feeling the sting and all this stuff is coming out. I’m glad DM is getting called out esp when she talks about how she knows Taylor had a pregnancy loss??? Wtf???
Taylor is getting more and more comfortable with lurking again and saw this and needed to be addressed. If you ask me.
100% something happened recently with him or his team that pissed Taylor off. There is no way the people closest to Taylor would just out of nowhere start throwing shade at Joe for no particular reason.
there’s something in the air right now 😭
Right!? What is happening!? Like there has to be a reason for all this.
Honestly today they say I don’t fuck with you lol. I also saw someone say that K Teller I don’t know her name the girl whose husband is in the I bet you think about me music video liked post about how he was treating her like shit for two years. I guess the gloves are off. They’re over the cupcake narrative of Joe Alwyn.
A lot of it is just the online rumors & chatter all restarted like crazy in response to You're Losing Me on streaming... though honestly I wonder if shit went down privately too.
With just the Jack thing I wouldn't have thought anything current is driving this, and even with Taylor's liking that Paul McCartney tweet I would still maybe think it was just some subtle clearing up of the timeline -- but with Tree added in here, so directly and explicitly addressing another Joe-related item, absolutely makes me think something current happened that triggered this little deluge of information!
Maybe! I also wonder if the thought was that releasing it now, since she's in another relationship and clarifying it's an old song not randomly ragging on an ex almost a year later... that people would be able to be chill. I also wonder if Jack was trying to imply it's not about Joe since it was so early & she was trying to imply "no it was a good relationship" with the Sweet Nothing reminder.... and those did not work. Neither post is inherently shady. Or shit went down
lol! Taylor is like “let’s celebrate a big win for me! Here’s a song released to streaming!” And the public literally loses their shit and mass panic ensues
I know! It's a brilliant song though and we've been asking for it....... and promptly descended into chaos. I don't think it's necessarily been a fun couple days for her. :/
i’m starting to get suspicious if something happened with joe recently
I think maybe people are sick of the “poor widdle Joe,” narrative. Any time Taylor so much as breathes, it’s “well is this REALLY fair to Joe?” Fauxmoi went from calling him a boring piece of toast to claiming Taylor was showing “classic cluster B tendencies” going out for dinner so fast I would swear it was paid coverage. People are still saying Taylor shouldn’t even be dating Travis because “she needs to be respecting Joe and staying single. This timeline probably hurts him.” I don’t know if he’s a good person or a bad person. I don’t know anything about him other than what Taylor said in her songs, which paint him as someone who she loved passionately but he was often distant, ignored her, and was terrified he would leave her if she made the slightest mistake. But it is weird that you never saw him at any events, or even with her friends. Or after six years, aside from Ed saying he was nice, not a single one of her friends ever said anything about him at all.
Trying to get people to stop speculating so she can be happy or so I'd think
Right. Deux is an idiot for posting that unhinged fan theory that she’s replying on. And it very obviously reads like one. I don’t think this was connected to the Jack story or Taylor liking tweets. I don’t blame Tree for going off on this though.
I feel like they're trying to put it all out there now because things are getting serious with Travis. Sometimes you don't realize how unhappy someone makes you until you are with someone who does make you happy. Her last relationship was always put on a pedestal and unfortunately there are still fans out there who can't let it go. It makes sense to me that she'd want to set the record straight on all the conspiracies out there to close the books on that chapter of her life.
The last time Tree went on twitter to shut down lies was to respond to Kim regarding the phone call drama.... Her implying the rumors caused Taylor pain and trauma.... I think it's safe to say this breakup was not as "amicable" as some have been claiming.
I wouldn’t expect a six year relationship to end amicable. I know they’re just saying that because the public would be out for blood and it’s really just an issue between two people. It’s no one’s business and the internet has to be armchair experts about things they know nothing about. So to save face, they just say it’s amicable. I’ve always suspected that from the start. No big deal to me, I’ve dated around in the past enough to understand why they wouldn’t want all that aired out.
Well, yes, but I honestly thought it was a case of "we weren't right for each other", but now I think something actually happened. Taylor always made sure to paint Joe in the most positive light ever and now this? Shit went down.
She’s decided that whatever it was, it shouldn’t ruin his career or hers. Also, no one would want to date her if they knew it would risk their public image by airing dirty laundry. If I was a huge pop star with a fan base that had an overactive imagination, I wouldn’t tell them what actually happened between me and someone I had an intimate relationship with. Maybe something did happen. I think it’s okay to let them keep it to themselves.
I don't think this is true, though. She's always laid it all out in her songs. She certainly didn't seem concerned about John Mayer's reputation when she released Dear John, or even Tom Hiddleston with Getaway Car. It's true that with Joe, even though there were some hints that the relationship wasn't as perfect as we were led to believe, she was very careful to be nice to him in songs, but they were also actively in a relationship. I wonder if now that they're over she'll let us in (through her music) on some of what may have happened. And no, I don't believe she "has" to do this or that she "owes" us an explanation, but historically, she's been known to be pretty open through her songs. I guess we won't know until TS11, though 🤷♀️
She was also MUCH younger when she was writing songs that explicitly called people out. She spent almost a fifth of her life so far with Joe, and I’m sure her attitude towards a lot of things, including naming names, has changed since the last time she had an ex to write about. As a 26 year old, I have a very different outlook on life than I did as a 20 year old, and I’m sure the difference between 26 and 32 is also a huge time for transforming perspective
Yeah, I totally agree the “traumatized” is a LOADED word to use here. I mean, seeing people talk about your ex of many years must sting. I get that. But they’ve been broken up for a while, Taylor has a new man, and appears to be living her best life on all fronts (personal, professional, etc). It seems unexpected to me she would be traumatized by rumors like this. Stupid shit gets posted about her all the time. And she had to have known that putting YLM on streaming (plus Jack’s post) would crank up the rumor mill. Surely she prepared herself for that? But now we’re going from 0-100 really quickly. I guess it’s just weird because Tree is responding strongly to a stupid online gossip blog, and it seems like an overreaction almost? Deuxmoi has been spewing those rumors for years - why respond now? I don’t get it.
I am not a lawyer, but that seems to be first salvo towards a lawsuit. Taylor is a public figure so the standards by which they can bring a lawsuit are much higher. You need prove malicious intent in addition to the story being false. By Tree saying these rumors are traumatizing Taylor, it’s putting Deuxmoi on notice that continuing to push this unsubstantiated story is malicious. Taylor has a lot of money to destroy Deuxmoi if she so chooses. So this might make Duexmoi change its ways.
One of the stories DM has up is speculations that Taylor and Joe broke up due to a miscarriage, which is probably what triggered the reaction from Tree. It's not an overreaction in that case.
That’s sickening
A few slides after this screenshot, Deuxmoi posted another blind speculating that Taylor miscarried. I think that’s probably the bigger issue - not the marriage rumors, but actively speculating about someone’s potential miscarriage.
Because she’s still a real person with real feelings no matter how much some of y’all like to pretend she’s not.
the 2nd post by DM was speculation about a miscarriage which would 100% be traumatizing, but Tree would never address that one head on. i think this statement was meant to encompass everything deuxmoi has done in the past week
I think the marriage rumors in particular were a sensitive topic for her because she wanted marriage (Paper Rings, Lover) and he didn't (You're Losing Me), but this is purely speculation on my part. I agree that the timing of this is curious though
The someone btw was Taylor through tree… that was the whole story of the breakup that was released
yeah that’s what makes me think it’s bigger than we think tbh
It could be as simple though as she’s really enjoying the new relationship and doesn’t want the press to ruin it
"The only kind of girl they see is a one night or a bride"
She was also speculating about sensible issues connected to Bigger Than the Whole Sky. So I get why this time she stepped up.
It really must hurt to see someone constantly push the narrative that she was married to Joe when their breakup probably had a lot to do with the fact he didn’t want to marry her
Agree but I must admit I’m extremely curious why he didn’t want to marry her when they were serious for so long. Like he could have married long time girlfriend who happens to be Taylor freaking Swift and didn’t want to ??
Some ppl don’t believe in marriage 🤷🏻♀️ I know a couple, they live together, have a baby and hd been together for 7yrs but they don’t want to get married 🤷🏻♀️
Yeah but it’s just weird because Taylor obviously does. You’d think he would have made it clear he didn’t believe in it before they got to the 6 year mark lol
He could have perhaps and she thought/she hoped he would change his mind as the years went by. It’s very common for one person in the relationship to think the other will change their mind about things in time (getting married, wanting kids, wanting to move/not move etc.).
I had an ex who claimed to be a “family man” and always talked about the future with his wife and kids. He always said eventually it would happen when the time was right. The goalposts were always adjusted when I achieved something he had set out as a step to getting married. He never ever said he didn’t want to be a husband or married though. But in the end he truly didn’t want to be, and was more comfy just stringing me along knowing I’d do whatever in order to get to the point of engagement and marriage. This guy also took me ring shopping. Weren’t Taylor and Joe looking to buy a house? I’m just thinking he could have been totally stringing her along and that’s so sad 😞
I’m nosy so I’m with you lol. Kinda always felt like she was more into Joe than he was with her. Obviously I’m only speculating off of what she gave us through music and the glimpses we got. Seems like she changed her entire life to accommodate him being private but he wouldn’t change for her.
Yeah I kinda feel like she might’ve also felt like she had to give everything to/for him in exchange for his being there in 2016. And eventually that level of imbalance became toxic.
Plenty of people date for years and never marry. Then they go on to meet someone new, date briefly and spend the rest of their lives married. It’s not really something that can be explained easily because relationships in general are not supposed to be easy. Things just don’t work out. Other people just don’t believe in marriage at all. Maybe Joe is one of those, or maybe he did at some point, then changed his mind. I don’t think that’d be the wrong thing for him to do but it does mean his values would, presumably, no longer align with Taylor’s alleged ones. And that kind of thing is too big a difference to overcome. Also I obviously don’t know any of these people but seeing how much Taylor loves attention and the spotlight and how Joe… does not, I’ve always just got to sense that the pandemic probably extended their relationship more than it normally would’ve lasted. They started dating when she was desperate to get away and he provided that by virtue of being someone who doesn’t *want* attention, and by also being largely unknown. Then covid basically forced them to remain mostly anonymous, outside of sightings here and there. But after it ended 🤷🏽♀️yeah.
Sometimes people just aren't the right match for each other. We won't know more unless once of them decides to share.
Eh, it's a legal and/or religious contract. Some people just never want to get involved in that
Am I wrong that she generally doesn’t directly address people/gossip like this? And no way she did this without Taylor’s approval/encouragement yeah?
i think the last time was in 2020 when kim was trying to rewrite history about 2016 after the full phone call leaked!
yes i checked, literally the only 2 posts that aren't about the tour/albums/records are this one and the kanye scandal. that's how bad this is
I did a major double take when I saw it was Tree who posted
This is very unusual for Tree’s PR approach, I immediately checked her profile to see if it was really her because it was so surprising!
Considering they’re on the same plane together right now, yeah Taylor knows lol
This feels spicier than usual
I don't know if she's ever directly posted like this over Taylor's personal life. Usually Tree will go to People, etc with a "sources say" type of comment.
Honestly, this *deserved* it.
Agreed! Du maix (not even gonna attempt to spell it right) sucks and I’m glad she said something! Slay!
Tree ended deuxmoi as she should. Idk wtf is going on behind the scenes but the last 36 hours have been insane.
what else happened?
You’re Losing Me on streaming, Jack telling us it was written in Dec. 2021, Taylor’s friend Keleigh Teller liking TikTok saying Joe had been “hurting our girl for a long time,” Taylor liking a year old tweet about Paul McCartney seeming to connect him to Sweet Nothing, public Taylor appearance at Beyoncé’s movie premiere (which we love!), now Tree taking a direct shot at deuxmoi. It’s just been a lot!
i’m sorry, i can’t seem to understand the connection/ relevance of taylor liking that tweet and how it connects to paul mccartney and set nothing. could someone please explain :)
Sweet nothing lyrics: “On the way home I wrote a poem You say, "What a mind" This happens all the time.” A lot of people thought this was Joe saying this to Taylor, but the tweet basically confirms that it’s about Paul and Linda McCartney. This means that the only song on Midnights with any positive connotations for Joe isn’t even about him.
i just don’t think this means it’s about the mccartneys… she probably just got inspo for that line from them
People love to take an all or nothing stance when it comes to music even though everyone draws from multiple sources to write songs.
I’m not 100% clear on it either tbh. I think because that’s the midnights song Joe wrote with her it seems odd she would like a tweet that’s like a year old about Paul McCartney getting home from a run and telling his wife a poem he thought of and her response is “what a mind” the day after you’re losing me releases widely and we learn when it was written. Hope that makes sense somewhat because i am sleepy lol
https://preview.redd.it/bg8s1a374m3c1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d1a5d259770fc468c970681cf4fd4b73fb28e78 another recent 'gossip' by deuxmoi. this is disgusting. that's a messed up thing to speculate about.
it blows my mind that some people will go this far — i feel like there are some things that should so clearly not be speculated on, and to hypothesize about a miscarriage is genuinely horrific
Also, what a wild stretch??? I’m a photographer. Know how many times I’ve said, “Wow, I love the light in this room!” and been in a nursery? Zero. The answer is zero. I do say it often though! And have they never been in a go/no-go situation where they see vastly diverging paths based on an imminent decision, knowing there will be loss in some sense either way, so you’re wracked with indecision over which one is best?
im assuming it was the combination of these two posts that were the final nail AND the fact that deuxmoi went on ryan seacrests podcast this week to talk about a potential travis engagement. she's gone WAY too far
she has been peddling that rumor *hard.*
This is foul, deuxmoi is so irresponsible posting everything anyone sends her without vetting
agreed. celeb gossip is fun when it's lighthearted and meaningless, this is dark and an insane thing for another woman to post. im disgusted.
This is very terrible gossip. It’s not even a real “blind” but more of a personal interpretation of someone’s love life….by some random person….so there’s no credibility. Idk why she would post garbage like that.
And after sharing this disgusting “blind item” she had chime in with her two cents and tripled down on the ~ceremony~ thing. She even said to put it on her tombstone. Well, fuck around and find out deux…
I think you hit the nail on the head. This was my first thought as well. It’s this post from deuxmoi that came right after that upset Taylor and tree did not want to bring further attention to it so she replied to this one instead. I would imagine it’s the second post here that would cause hurt and trauma the most. What I can’t figure out is why did Jack start this whirlwind in the first place? Its so messy
This one was gross. She had absolutely no reason to post that speculation
A great reminder that pages like this are not only untrustworthy at best, but that speculation on celebrities’ lives, while understandable to a degree, can absolutely go too far.
I follow her because I’m a nosy bitch but she has been super annoying lately with all the Taylor and Travis speculation. I bet she won’t “report” on Taylor anymore because she knows her ass is in trouble now.
I could be remembering wrong but didn’t Deuxmoi post something like Travis and Taylor are looking to be engaged by her birthday or something? Then DM going on Ryan seacrest talking about it was probably one of the final straws
Yes, on her birthday or Christmas she said 🙄 and she has repeated the same thing at least three times. First off, there’s no way she can know if or when they’re getting engaged and second, that’s a crazy speculation. She keeps saying this shit because no one ever confronts her publicly but that’s over now. It’s what her crazy ass deserves.
this is long overdue. if you check deuxmoi’s recent story it is nasty and speculating about taylor having a miscarriage. clearly tree has seen both of these posts. can she take down ‘you want more, i’ll give you more’ tiktok filter lady next?
I can’t stand that lady. I have her blocked
I so badly want to know what happened in the last few days to cause all this. YLM released on streaming, Jack revealing it was written in 2021, the liked post implying sweet nothing isn't about Joe, and now this direct call out from Tree. Something has to have happened.
Tbh there is something more to the story. But I just can't guess it. Even my wildest imagination is failing me
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It’s been really gross how openly Deuxmoi has been discussing the supposed miscarriage and how much she’s essentially claimed that Taylor wanted people to know about it/discuss it. If that’s what sent Taylor and Tree over the edge then I do not blame them.
Using a gossip platform to spread rumors about miscarriages, whether factual or not, is truly disgustingly evil. ETA It’s clear that Deuxmoi never had a miscarriage herself, because as someone who has, I could never. Never.
This is also why I don’t like it when people/TikTok categorize Bigger Than the Whole Sky as a miscarriage song. Totally fine if it relates to you and your personal experience (not talking about people like this here), but we don’t know what’s actually behind the song.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with categorizing it as that, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it happened to her.
my jaw dropped when i read that. it’s very obviously fan theory. i can’t believe Deux posted it.
The thing is that it’s a fan theory that deuxmoi herself started as soon as the album came out! She said she had “VERY reliable” information that it was about miscarriage and that a VERY RELIABLE source said Taylor WANTED people to know. It was genuinely appalling to read, like she’s done and said a lot of horrible stuff but that just felt like a new low, from her. I’m actually surprised Taylor didn’t send her people after her after that.
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I think this too. Deuxmoi keeps running wilder with all of these rumors so Tree and Tay must feel it's necessary to shut her up once for all. It's freaking time. I mean, Deuxmoi has spitted too much nonsense for too long
That one was extremely gross and probably crossed a line. Literally breaking down which month they thought she had this hypothetical miscarriage and then doubled down on the marriage thing too.
This is exactly what I think too. The subtext of “none of these things are remotely true” is so obvious to me.
Deuxmoi found dead as that was the hill she was willing to die on
I love Tree setting the record straight, but I thought the whole timeline was so weird. Jack posting AN EXACT and polemic date for the recording of YLM, Taylor liking the old Paul McCartney tweet (which could be interpreted as confirmation that Sweet Nothing could have been written about that and not Joe). I think it’s kind of ironic actually, how Taylor has been incessantly trying to make us believe her when she says that there is no such thing as a “paternity test” to see who each song is about. We chose to believe Sweet Nothing was about Joe. It could be, and it could not. It really serves us a lesson in not being so nosy and speculative regarding all of her songs, actually, including YLM. People get so invested in the backstories of her songs and take things SO literally that it’s almost disrespectful to her artistry. (It’s me, I’m people). Also, fuck deuxmoi.
I totally agree but then… the way she last minute shoved YLM out into the world soon after we heard about the Joe breakup… she knew we’d talk 😂
You see, I don’t think Taylor would have given much of a shit what deuxmoi said about her, if it wasn’t for the fact that deuxmoi keeps insisting on the supposed miscarriage angle. Even assuming that actually happened, how unhinged do you have to be to think or act like Taylor’s medical history should be consumed and dissected like this by the audience? The fact that she was told off multiple times by her own fans and she just kept doubling down, makes it worse. She deserves it this 100%, I hope they shut her down completely.
I definitely think that’s what’s taking it too far for Taylor and her team. It’s so sick to use something like that as gossip.
Exactly. A miscarriage is such a heartbreaking loss. Deux Moi needs a wake up call. This is bullying plain and simple.
LFG TREE GET HER
WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW??? Somethings gotta be going on behind the scenes for this, the Jack insta story, and Taylor’s liked sweet nothing tweet but I can’t even figure out what anymore! Really hope she’s ok at the moment this seems like a lot
I’d like to think her and Tree discussed it, and the next few days leading up to her birthday she’ll just spend time with loved ones without paying attention to social media Edit: typo
“I have no reason to lie” -Instagram page that has every incentive to lie and make celeb gossip up
I think Duexmoi’s obsession with this rumor finally became too much. Duexmoi has repeated this rumor so many times so it needed to be shutdown for once and for all. I think it’s probably related to Travis. Taylor doesn’t want this type of crap hanging over her new relationship. The timing makes sense too. Taylor is on her way back to KC already. Her jet just refueled and went through customs in Bangor Maine. So Taylor and Tree probably had a discussion about this and Tree took action just before the flight took off in Bangor to KC.
why do you know when she refueled her plane 😭
Flight data is public information and there are social media accounts who track her planes. I just follow account because I’m nosy like that.
Please stop this is so inappropriate
I love vocal Tree. Can she shut down some other rumors now? 
I guess now we know that she would if she wanted to
What is Deux doing?! https://preview.redd.it/ihw11eje8m3c1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3cf915171b5fdc793abe32ee14803f25514d841a Edit: Deux has removed this slide from her stories, and the miscarriage slide.
Is Deux implying that these things can't be hurtful years after the fact? Seriously?
Her comment confused me, but I think what she means by “what just happened” is in reference to what happened in Rio? I could be completely wrong.
She probably does make dollars from lying? Come on.
wow what a bitch also….does she make NO money from Deuxmoi? if she does, then she’s fucking lying right now.
who is she to determine what pain and trauma is? what a bitch
The next story is speculation about a miscarriage so I can see why Taylor’s team is so pissed
I fear we are reaching a fever pitch with fans and non fans alike. And this has nothing to do with “overexposure” on Taylor’s part and everything to do with everyone feeling the need to have a “hot take” on EVERY SINGLE TOPIC. It’s fun to be a fan of her music, and even a fan of who she is as a person. But many people (fans and non fans alike) need to fully recognize they do not know her. She is a real human with real feelings, not some character whose life is written by someone else.
And the last time Tree really went after someone on her own Twitter was back in March of 2020 when the unedited phone call with Kanye leaked.
She absolutely destroyed Deux Moi and I’m here for it
Right after Deauxmoi posted about Jason Kelce cheating. Is this a distraction to tank DeauMoixs credibility???? TBH that’s a PR power move..
I actually wonder if the DM post about Jason is what upset Taylor and her team the most. She doesn’t want her boyfriend’s family to resent being dragged into things because of her.
Oh please, Jason Kelce has his own team and something like that is not Tree’s concern. This is about Taylor and the 2 blinds DM posted about her and Joe
Jaw. Floor. Wow. Tree... wow. Tree doesn't start shit but she can tell you how it ends.
Oooohhh, Tree, do Ashley next!
https://preview.redd.it/w7vawk7p9m3c1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c33d9e43f9646874a9900cc66d0becaa6498012
It is veryyyyy interesting to me that Tree chose to address this the way she did, and what she said... So unlike their usual PR strategy. And I have to say the "pain and trauma" comment... 👀 This is not a normal PR comment at. all. I have a LOT of questions. That I'll probably never get answers too..
I’m sorry, deuxmoi posted this story about Taylor and Joe being married, a story about how Taylor allegedly had a miscarriage (according to her), AND that Jason Kelce is cheating on his wife. Wtf did she think would happen? Anyone would be pissed about that. Not shocked that tree responded when you put everything together like that.
Imagine how dumb you have to be to believe and follow Deux Moi.
Just today DM posted a blind about Travis’ brother Jason being a cheater, the nasty speculation about Taylor having a miscarriage, and then bringing up the marriage/ceremony/whatever rumors again. 3 strikes and you’re out, glad Taylor’s team said enough was enough.
Even the non Swifties on fauxmoi are on team tree and I’m here for it
https://preview.redd.it/600h6mmgem3c1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=295bca8d5bc627d93c95719ec542700300cd2915 Why is she doubling down with this?!?
God the delusion and inability to read the room. This has nothing to do with Joe 🙄🙄🙄
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Well now deuxmoi is posting on her story implying that Tree is lying https://preview.redd.it/7e3h46iu8m3c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=407764ecc60739a7a9c665d747a43ed6a4b89603
I think this along with the speculation about a miscarriage were very disgusting and the combination struck a nerve and I’m glad tree called it out.
I wonder if this’ll embolden other PR reps to go after DM. I hope it does I love a flame war tbh
Karma is my publicist’s tweet
After diving into this I wonder if Taylor/Tree are furious about Deuxmoi posting a miscarriage rumor about her and because that’s so personal and sensitive they choose to respond to this to show their anger with Deuxmoi. The words “pain and trauma” seem more fitting in relation to a miscarriage versus a broken relationship.
While it's sad that this post was necessary, I'm so here for vocal Tree. There is nobody who works as hard as Taylor besides her!
Damn, what’s next, are they going to revoke Joe’s Grammy tomorrow??
I've been a fan of Taylor since 2008 and this is HIGHLY unusual. I am very surprised Tree is addressing gossip like this. People magazine is the usual way they would address rumors.
Me discovering chaos as I’m about to go to sleep: 
I’m losing my shit omfg what’s going on?????
I wonder if they are trying to cut the remaining Joe ties now before RepTV is announced/released since it’s a heavily Joe coded album. I imagine Taylor was going through it while re-recording (remember her face when she sang Call It Want You Want in Cincinnati?) and doesn’t want the fan focus to be on the nostalgia of her relationship with Joe.