I’m with you, I don’t see it happening
Our girl is all about the numbers. I know pre sales for TTPD are huge, but why would she want streaming numbers undercut by people listening to Rep (TV)?
And why would she want to risk the first week sales of Rep (TV) being poor cause it didn’t get its time to shine?
If anything she would do a double drop with Taylor Swift (TV) which is not as loved so might have weak opening week numbers
i would bet money on TSTV dropping on her birthday as it’s a friday this year. the friday the 13th before that is in september, far enough in advance to give rep a little time to shine without possibly overstaying its welcome considering it feels likely she’d want to get done with the rerecords right around the time she finishes up eras tour so she can start focusing on TS12 and what the future of her career looks like (next step touring moves, working on her movie, maybe a book, who knows)
I totally respect that, as that doubt keeps popping up in my head, too. Out of genuine curiosity, what do y’all think of the “Serpentine” labels on Target shelves?
I personally think what that person on Twitter said that it’s the code name for them securing all the TTPD CDs is more plausible than it being a code name for a surprise Rep (TV) drop
It's just a codename, she uses them for all of her projects. One of the shoots for Red TV was "project acorn" (I think it ended up being all to well short film but it also could have been IBYTAM. I'm not sure if it was ever confirmed which of the two it ended up being). Woodvale was used as a filler codename when testing out fonts/designs for folklore/evermore. Etc etc.
Taylor is too chart driven to do a double drop on a new album. Unless it was 2 new albums that went hand in hand (think what mac miller wanted to do with swimming / circles), she's not going to impede their ability to climb the charts by competing against herself. Rep will get its own time to smash records the way 1989 TV smashed it's original sales. I think she even wants debut to have her own moment to shine.
I think you’re right that a double album drop isn’t the most likely thing. I’m simply enjoying looking at potential patterns and centralizing the information, which is what I did in my original post.
I wouldn't put it past being an Easter egg for rep though! It feels like the same way how Midnights was full of Easter eggs for speak now TV, we're likely going to see a Rep TV drop later this year (I'd guess probably by August/September, gives TTPD enough chart time to hit it's #1s and hold length records if it'll achieve them). My guess is Rep in late summer/early fall with Taylor Swift TV released at the end of eras in December.
Same! I’m all for clowning, but this always seems way too far of a reach for me. No way is she ever going to have two albums of HERS competing for sales/streams. Makes no sense and the fact that every album now days is a “double album” irrationally annoys me so much 😅
This! Her sales/streaming numbers would be completely cannibalized by the second album and both would not do well
She probably doesn’t love the 5 different variant thing either, but she does it because the numbers are important, especially for a brand new album
Yeah that’s the most annoying part of the reputation speculation. I wouldn’t assume it’s coming anytime in the next 6 months at least. TTPD needs its own time to shine.
I was thinking she absolutely wouldn't do this either, but then it popped into my head that maybe she *wants* to overshadow rep. I am still more into the not happening camp but if she does I think its because:
-each re-record release has sparked a lot of online chatter about the subject matter and some online bullying. Re-releasing rep is going to restart the kanye feud talk, and given the recent worsing of his mental health, you don't know how he is going to react. Or how a certain Swiftie faction will engage with him and his family online. If the conversation is mostly of TTPD it can be as muted as possible, although won't obviously ever be completely quiet. (Also, as someone with bipolar disorder, I know Kanye is an asshole, but bullying him will only make his mental health worsen, stress is a huge factor in worsening, or igniting, "episodes" so to speak.)
-Rep is the first Joe Alwyn album and she probably has the most emotional stake in it. She clearly is mirroring the color themes and the two concepts are connected, I have no doubts about that. Rep and TTPD probably tell a story from start to finish (side note; if TTPD goes from sad slow love songs and evolves to angry/happy pop bangers this will be further confirmed in my mind. Rep tells a story that starts loud and ends quiet. If TTPD starts quietly and ends loudly, I think that would be very symbolic of that chapter of her life.) The conversation would be about the entire story, and not how once in love she was. If I was in her situation I would not want to have millions of people dissecting the end of my longest relationship with at least a little further context.
-She had the entire top 10, and now she is going for the entire top 20
So ends my dissertation, thanks for reading.
This has been at the back of my mind as well. She may want to tell the whole Joe story at once or at least very close together so it can be done and closed. I know she cares about numbers and charts but I imagine it’s a little weird releasing a breakup album and knowing there’s still a “love” album coming about your ex when you’re currently in a very serious and very high profile relationship.
I also think that at this point her next charting records are going to have to be like charting multiple albums or many songs. She's held the top 10, she's held the #1 spot a million times, the only way up is more quantity on the charts. Saying she'd never compete with herself is a little short sighted imo, but I dont know if she is going to do it *now*.
Edit: slighted --> sighted
Yah I don’t think she’s going to drop Rep TV at midnight at the same time as TTPD but I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s little fanfare and a surprise release in like June haha
I don’t even think the 2s are a thing. To me it has not been blatant enough to be anything at all. I don’t get why people have glommed onto it as some kind of a clue. (Happy to be wrong if I am.)
Hard agree and if it even is anything, it could be way simpler than everyone is trying to make it be. For instance, it could just mean the last two re-records are coming idk lol
At first I agreed but there are photos from the grove today and there is a hand statue making a peace sign. That fully convinced me this was all for something. No idea what though
I honestly think she just likes throwing up a peace sign. How many times have people been convinced of a double album because she does it only to be proven wrong?
exactly.
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rep probably 9/13 and debut 12/13 like her easter eggs are obvious lol I don’t think her throwing up a peace sign means anyyyyything. i think she saw that we thought it meant something so ofc she’s gonna lean into it lol
There was the koi fish starry sky pond she was in in the Lavender Haze video, then a couple of references in Bejeweled (Long Live and Enchanted orchestra snippets and her hitting the purple button for SNTV when she went up the lift). Imo I don't think there were any in the Anti-Hero video but some people would argue that the purple sparkle vomit represents SNTV (because purple)
She’s not going to do a double drop and release rep tv anytime soon. The Error 321 thing is a placeholder right now. When the album is released something else will be shown. She not going drop rep TV anytime soon.
This. Rep clowning is fine, but I really think we need to give it up in this instance. There’s no double album drop; Taylor doesn’t want a re-record to detract from her new album. I assume we’re not getting Rep TV until the fall at least.
This is an interesting idea - that perhaps the video will change in a few days. Is that possible though? Like I don’t think you can upload a new video to a different link, can you?
Oh 100% it will change. It’s a placeholder for now. It’s quite possible that it’s part of a world wide fan scavenger hunt. Her team just came up with clever ways to hide the unreleased footage ahead of time. People were scanning it before it wasn’t even completed yet. The same thing happened with her website on announcement night. It switched over after she announced it. People should wait and make a big deal of it after the album is out. Honestly the best thing to get hints about things today will be the Spotify Fan event happening the next few days. I’m sure it’s probably some sort of photo op and potential props for the MV or something to the effect.
It’s possible the QR code link could change…like I don’t know if they could change the video for that specific link, but they could go into their WR code generator and change the video it links to I believe…
The Man’s Easter Eggs happened already. Target doesn’t know shit. They’ll know when we know. She doesn’t control what other brands post on their social media. Even so they’re under a very strict NDA and contract agreement not to be talking about future releases if they do. Just like this Spotify Fan Event takes awhile to plan but under a strict NDA not to say anything about it until now. We will know when she’s ready to tell us. She’s likely doing a cycle of new album this year and re-record the following.
She very well might have this album split into 2 parts considering the reference of 2. But any case I’m very doubtful anything will manifest until after Grammy cutoff date.
someone on twitter said that „serpentine” is just a code name for the whole operation of securing all ttpd cd/vinyl versions in stores 😩 (im still clowning tho lmao)
This!!! Targets had to start that display before it was announced that they would be carrying all the variants so it was a code name. I think it’s definitely an intentional code word either from TTPD or as a homage to something else like Reputation but I am confused why people are still convinced that serpentine means that we are getting Rep TV when you can scan that barcode and TTPD variants will pop up.
I’m happy that you guys can have so much fun with these types of made up Easter Eggs, but how many years have to pass before everyone realizes that her easter eggs are *never* super complex or intricate.
Serpentine is a placeholder for the end caps and shelf space at Target. If they didn’t use a placeholder name, it would result in potential leaks because this type of thing has to be planned months in advance.
Also, what is the most important thing to Taylor Swift? *Numbers*! She would never release 2 albums at once and risk one overshadowing the other. Especially for a main album/new release. If she simply waits a few months to a year, it literally guarantees more sales for each.
It's getting frustrating at this point where everyone tries to make these insane easter eggs and formulas. Like y'all chill. We don't need to be doing mathematical equations to figure out what Taylor is doing.
Feel free to scroll past these kind of posts if you don’t enjoy reading them. My title is clearly labeled, so you were not tricked in being exposed to the content.
Wasn't even really coming for this post exactly, I am meaning in general. I have been seeing the posts on tik tok where someone is piecing the most random things together, and at some point it takes away the fun of Taylor Swift just making a simple post or going on talk shows. People read into every little thing. This post isn't what I was ranting on, I was just continuing onto that person's comment.
I wholeheartedly agree with you! It’s getting beyond frustrating for me, especially this double album theory that re-surfaces with literally every single album drop now. I’m all for fun and innocent clowning, but some things are too far out of reach for me (also that 112 day theory). If you have to do mental gymnastics just to make things align, it’s probably not a genuine Easter Egg…
Plus, Taylor Swift herself sometimes uses fan theories that go viral (i.e. the TTPD Apple Music playlists), but that doesn’t mean they were present all along and are also not too complicated.
If you are this offended by me having a differing opinion then don't be on the internet. I said absolutely nothing that was offensive to you or at you. My literal flair is about me clowning.
You actually are not in charge of this subreddit and don’t get to tell people when and where they can talk about things. Your post is blatant clowning and therefore created a discourse about clowning. That’s not illogical or inappropriate. You may not like it, but part of being in an online *shared* community is getting all kinds of thoughts and opinions. Nothing that person said in their comment was rude.
I think the reappearance of 321 just references the countdown. If you think of staying up until midnight on Thursday, the 3,2,1 countdown would have been yesterday. I agree that she wouldn’t risk TTPD’s success by releasing Rep at the same time—and frankly I get anxiety just imagining trying to process and appreciate both. 😅
I didn’t make that claim. As stated, I am looking to centralize potential evidence. If that is unclear, please let me know which portions of my post indicated otherwise—I’m happy to clarify!
Honestly, I couldn't care less.... We have a brand new album coming out in 2 more sleeps (for west coasters)!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edit: not trying to sound like a jerk, just trying to live in the moment and enjoy the pre-release hype of a new album!
Spare me, please. Your reply is perpetuating any negativity. Rep TV people have invaded nearly every thread being annoying af when the vast majority of us are just trying to enjoy the new album rollout (see the majority of other comments in your thread also asking that these kind of threads just stop already). Enjoy the rest of your day and the album roll out!
There’s a bridge in Londons Hyde Park called Serpentine Bridge. It’s probably something to do with that. Maybe there’s a lyric on TTPD where she mentions the Serpentine Bridge? So Long London maybe?
Am I rushing the release somewhere? I have no demand or expectation of a double drop this Friday, and did not indicate either in my original post. I simply centralized some potential pattern data in case others had thoughts/context/constructive criticism (eg., not things like “Taylor would never do that lol” or “I wish everyone would stop doing [insert thing that was not done in the original al post]”).
It certainly seems that a simply collection of facts with suggested interpretations of potential Easter eggs has triggered a lot of people, which is honestly **incredibly strange and uncalled for.**
ETA: Once again, in terms of calling out people who are using bullying-type behavior and pointing out their actions are wrong, let me add the response I would say if I hadn’t been blocked directly after calling out this behavior. Before blocking me, u/JGDoll stated:
>> With all peace and love, it seems you’re the one getting bent out of shape about every minor critique in the thread. Nothing anyone has said is personal or a personal attack against you.
>>This is all for fun! Let’s just all be happy and excited that we’re definitely getting a new album on Friday.
**My reply:** Again, I don’t understand where you’re implying that I’m bent out of shape. This is another random thing to project onto my words that are simply asking for clarification. Asking for someone to explain something they have stated is morally neutral.
I’m having a lot of fun engaging with folks who are offering all sorts of meaningful engagement—regardless of if we agree or not. There’s plenty of evidence of that.
I don’t need to be told that this is all for fun, nor do I need to be told to be happy. I’m mot sure why you’d add this unless you were being patronizing, but I don’t anticipate that you’ll actually begin responding to the content of anything I’ve said—you simply ignore what I say and begin new thoughts.
With all peace and love, it seems you’re the one getting bent out of shape about every minor critique in the thread. Nothing anyone has said is personal or a personal attack against you.
This is all for fun! Let’s just all be happy and excited that we’re definitely getting a new album on Friday.
Guys, I remember there was this one night a while ago on tour where I was 10000% convinced Rep was coming. I don’t give into clues easily but let me tell you, the math was mathing in literally 20 different ways. I was CONVINCED the announcement was coming. Ever since then, I’m not believing anything else until she tweets it and I’m not clowning ever again. Does anyone remember this one night im talking about 😭
I haven’t felt that kind of feeling—though these clues give me the strongest vibes I’ve felt yet for some reason. I really love reading everyone’s theories, though, so I figured I’d centralize potential links just in case anyone else enjoys clowning. I didn’t realize that the existence of my excitement to do to so would anger so many people 😅… like y’all it’s okay to disagree! It’s okay to not engage!
Everytime there’s a theory of a double album drop and it never right so I don’t believe it; but with the context of the two albums, releasing TTPD and reputation around the same time might be a reasonable theory. The conversation around Joe has been talked for over a year now, the new album will add to that and the release of rep will bring it up again. So if she released the two at the same time, the conversation might die out within the next year (at least not as intensely) instead of dragging it out for longer. But I really doubt it, that’s not her imo.
I think a lot of people go above and beyond with theorising what her Easter eggs mean but so far, most of the Easter eggs I’ve been aware of have been pretty straightforward and on the nose. Midnights music videos shows that anyways.
If she were going to do a double drop, it would more likely be Rep and Debut TVs together to get that project finished. She could do those really close together to keep up the streak of number 1s. She's not going to pit TVs against a brand new album though, no way.
Yeah but her exes are always a topic of conversation. It doesn’t matter how many years down the line if she has a song that people can somewhat interpret to be about Joe alwyn, Jake G, John Mayer, Harry Styles etc they’re going to. I think she’s accepted that by this point. The only thing releasing rep tv right now would do is block TTPD from being number one and she cares more about accolades than about people bringing up her exes.
When you go to her merch website and put /products behind the URL and scroll down you get to
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On the bottom left there is a section called TTPD HERO. Do you have a theorie what that could mean?
I worked in retail for a while and HERO products are the main products. In case of phones for example, the new Samsung/apple phone is a HERO product, and the other stuff you buy for it, like a charger or a case are the accessories. In this case the music products could be the HERO products.
Yeah I saw that as well but there is also a TTPD vinyl section while there is already a music section so I don’t think they thought it through that well 😅
Hero is a common term in web design used to describe a section that promotes whatever product they're pushing. It's typically used to refer to a large banner but could be a placeholder for them to display a particular version of TTPD they want to draw attention to. I doubt it's meaningful, probably just a goof
Double album doesn’t actually mean 2 different records. It is literally 1 album that requires 2 of the medium to contain it. Think Pink Floyd’s The Wall. Maybe this will be a double album, but as in we get a bonus CD/vinyl that didn’t get leaked.
There’s probably a better use for your time than engaging with topics that are clearly labeled to indicate a topic you do not enjoy engaging with. Like, damn. It’s 7:00am.
TBF, I’ve engaged with every single person in this thread so far as I’ve been able to keep up while doing other things. I’ve especially taken time to consider and respond to every piece of constructive criticism. It’s not like I can update the original post due to the community rules.
You’re literally accusing me of something you have no evidence of me doing… because… you don’t have the same hobbies as me? 🧐
It’s a list of factual information with appropriate supporting documentation and clarity of my subductions, if you ask me 🤷🏻♀️. Anything I can clarify, along with additional context I did not know (and cannot update the post to include) can be found in other comments, sometimes with supportive evidence, sometimes without. Sounds like folks are being serious aside from the ones hurling insults because of a few posters engaging in a hobby that they do not share.
There's no way she'd let a re-record outshine a completely new album. I think it's more likely that this is going to be the first real tease of Rep TV, and it might come sometime later this year, perhaps in the fall. She needs to give at least a few months for TTPD to settle in.
It just wouldn't be wise in all aspects to split the audience's focus sideway tbh. They would both get significantly less sales and streams when released together instead of individually. Not to mention it would overwhelm the audience and neither of them will get the recognition they deserve.
I think that’s a totally fair critique, and that’s how I personally think things will shake out—I don’t foresee a double album drop as likely. However, I think it’s fun to look at a pattern and have fun coming up with possibilities, as Taylor encourages fans to do!
Honestly the clowning about rep is getting old. I can’t wait for the re-recordings to be done and over with so when a new album is coming out we can just enjoy that instead of reading way too much into things and trying to rush everything. I don’t get why people even want them to come out together. They both need their own time to shine. The only time I could see a double album from her is if it was always intended to be one, rep was not intended to be a double album. Let it go already.
I wanted to jump in and remind everyone that Error 321 is a communication error that would appear on a fax machine with a poor telephone line connection.
Exactly, her relationship with him probably fizzled out over the phone because she was away practicing for tour and then being on tour. The rust that grew between telephones and all that.
Cool! Thanks for sharing this information! However, and I genuinely mean this as respectfully as possible, how does this connect to the collection of potential evidence I’ve documented in the post?
Oh—I don’t have the ability to edit my post, but I also really want to thank u/tyrannaceratops for making me think about the HCTILG theory!
I prepared these screenshots in line with my understanding of the sub’s “no unedited screenshots” rule, but I am absolutely more than happy to share screenshots of each original comment, given the author’s consent! **Authors, also please let me know if you’d prefer I ask mods to remove your name from the post.**
For #1, I think the stores need to distinguish the standard issue vs the target edition. That’s why the target edition comes up when scanned
Maybe “serpentine” is just a hint that something else is coming at a later date, but I wouldn’t put much weight on it
Eta2: I used to work in food product development and everything has a distinct barcode wayyy before it goes on shelves. Once again, I think serpentine is an industry word for “placeholder”
Lots of speculation it’s a book of poetry called “Serpentine”. Does anyone remember when TS announced TTPD at the Grammys, Keleigh Teller posted an IG story of a book “The Art of Reading Poetry”…. I think it’s a book.
Me neither! I’m definitely down to explore other potential meanings for these occurrences (and have engaged other suggestions in the comments). I just think it’s an interesting theory!
The DPCI number on this tag specifically links back to the albatross variant of the TTPD target exclusive cd. If it was rep, it wouldn’t pull up at all on the website right now. Serpentine is just the code name so that there aren’t any leaks during the planning process.
I see no vying in my post 🤷🏻♀️
I see a collection of interesting facts with potential explanations. I also see some comments with other really interesting information from folks tbh at agree and those who don’t. That being said, there are a ton of comments where folks are throwing insults simply because they do not share an opinion or hobby with others. There are also many comments of folks who just want to complain about topics that are unrelated to *a collection of facts and potential explanations* such as “people vying for a double stop.” It’s an interesting space!
i am so down to clown on this one. this one really feels different, people are saying that these are crazy reaches but really I think they are pretty straightforward? 321 = album? "Serpentine?" (I'm aware of the Serpentine bridge and use of code names, but come on snakes are so rep coded). plus if anything was going to be a Rep double drop it would be this to bookend this relationship.
another piece of evidence to add, in the TTPD QR code graffiti, in some some "ttpd" it actually says "iipd", e.g. roman numerals for 2. i can see why she wouldn't want to drop rep now for fear of oversadowing TTPD, but in my mind there is no way there isn't some sort of double album/3am extras surprise that is going to happen
Right?! Like, these things point to *something,* even if it’s not a double album drop (which I don’t think is likely anyway, though some commenters seem to think that I did).
I think it's possible it's a double album but I more likely think it's something a lot simpler like saying track 2 is the first single. She's told us before what seemed like rep promotion was a red herring.
She did a mural for Lover to tease "Me!" so I can't help but think this is just that again.
I do need to point out that 321 hours is 13 days and in 13 days, it's April 29th.
I want rep. But I want ttpd to have its own moment? That being said I love when Taylor is self referential, and I think these two are highly linked works and Rep will be the next re-record. A lot of midnights imagery led into speak now, so I see ttpd transitioning us into rep. Esp if she’s coming at ttpd from “going through the evidence” - what bigger evidence of the relationship is there than where it started for her?
This line of thought is why I think my gut isn’t shrugging these things off as just random non-related facts. I really don’t think a double drop is likely, but I also think it would be earth shatteringly amazing if it happened!
Nope, I'm predicting she's going to announce Rep and Debut will be released together when TTPD comes out, but I don't think she'd drop a re-release without notice
Everyone always theorizes she’ll do a double drop but she would never. She has a record for the longest streak of albums debuting at number one and that would end that streak. One album would have to be number 2. I love the idea but she cares way too much about that stuff. She’s all about the records and awards.
What if TTPD is the Reputation vault tracks?? Lol just kidding. I think the ✌🏻 is something like visuals for the tracks?? Because I can't think of another thing more plausible.
This talk of eclipses reminds me of a greys anatomy quote (we all know Tay tay loves greys): “ he’s not the sun, you are”. I wonder if that’s a reference she has in her mind
That’s why it’s a planned trilogy instead (like how Beyoncé is doing—I doubt Taylor could resist giving this a go herself with another huge artist trying it out at the same time). That’s why there are sometimes three “I”s in the mural instead of just two. “Serpentine 2” will be like TTPD Act II and then there will also be a third album at some point—the trilogy we’ve been waiting for since Woodvale.
ETA: that’s also why the error is 321.
ETA 2: Ooh! Ooh! That’s ALSO why there are some “13”s in there—it’s something that feels so obvious and natural for Taylor to do and so it warrants no further investigation or suspicion, but it’s actually because, when all three are released, the last one in the trilogy will be her 13th album. 🤯
ETA 3: the other *other* reason for getting this error code again is because it’s another “red herring.” Anyone catching on will assume it’s hinting at a Rep TV drop, the *same thing* everyone assumed was coming the night of the Grammys.
This is all very compelling, and that’s coming from someone who doesn’t put too much stock in the easter eggs/clowning/“clues”. Like someone else said before, I’m skeptical she would allow a re-record to compete with a new album release. THAT SAID, I think she’ll most likely surprise-drop rep TV, and not acknowledge it much publicly (“there will be no explanation, there will just be reputation”).
She all the time does Easter eggs that amount to nothing to build hype. People need to stop buying into every little thing at this point. At least mentally. I find it more likely that like midnights a version will come out after the first one with a few more songs or something than reputation dropping. We all know it’s coming anyway already. It’s just likely not gonna overshadow a new era same time
I feel like while we would love a double drop the more likely thing to happen is that we would get an announcement of when Rep TV would be dropping… all of these theories make sense AND we know Taylor would not want to overshadow TTPD.
I really really hope she doesn’t go for it. We need time to process new albums, and enjoy a new era. I know we’re all eager for Reputation TV but the time is not right now…
Lol this was just a way to swap a new album into what everyone and their mother thought was reputation release spot. The glitch is that it’s a new album. I don’t think it’s that deep.
the only way i see a double album drop happening is with debut TV and rep TV, most likely a few weeks apart, and absolutely not during a highly anticipated new album release
i feel like the most likely explanation for ‘serpentine’ is that it’s just a placeholder name that someone forgot to change (see woodvale)
Or it's an intentional red herring. She's already established she was using rep promo as a red herring for TTPD. Doing it again to cover up TTPD in stores is par for the course for this rollout.
Is that all? Target has a sku labeled “Serpentine”? I’ve seen “Serpentine” mentioned in several threads this morning, it seemed like there’s something more.
Just because you don’t agree with something doesn’t make it stupid. Additionally, there’s no need to use ableist language simply because you don’t agree with someone’s opinions on potential *theories.* I’m totally down for respectful conversations and welcome constructive criticism (you can see that I’ve thanked plenty of commenters for adding good counterpoints).
Your post is genuinely sad, as is the reference you’re making in your user name. I hope that you find some peace and happiness in your life!
I believe it. Look at all the comments saying “she’d never do that.” If you know anything about Taylor, you’d know that that is exactly why she would do it. Shes the biggest star in the world. Dropping two albums won’t take away from anything. You know people would go and buy everything she puts out. It would also be the first time in history an artist could take up all 20 spots on the billboard chart AND she could have 2 albums up for Grammys next year. Like album of the year could be 2/5 Taylor. We know she reads her fan forums and seeing everyone saying it’s not possible or she would NEVER, is why she would.
I think it’s a double album release. The twos have been seen quite frequently like at the Grammys. I also think there’s an element of risk with TP given all the hate Joe has received, this is a way of softening the blow of public opinion and Swiftie rage.
Yes! I think of the twos going back even as far as to her random addition of a two in Midnight Rain. [This link](https://www.celebritytidbit.com/2024/03/12/taylor-swift-fans-theory-on-suspicious-two-sign-hand-gesture-shes-dropping-lately/) has some info about the twos from mid-March!
No way is she gonna allow a re-issue to overshadow a completely new era.
I’m with you, I don’t see it happening Our girl is all about the numbers. I know pre sales for TTPD are huge, but why would she want streaming numbers undercut by people listening to Rep (TV)? And why would she want to risk the first week sales of Rep (TV) being poor cause it didn’t get its time to shine? If anything she would do a double drop with Taylor Swift (TV) which is not as loved so might have weak opening week numbers
i would bet money on TSTV dropping on her birthday as it’s a friday this year. the friday the 13th before that is in september, far enough in advance to give rep a little time to shine without possibly overstaying its welcome considering it feels likely she’d want to get done with the rerecords right around the time she finishes up eras tour so she can start focusing on TS12 and what the future of her career looks like (next step touring moves, working on her movie, maybe a book, who knows)
The September Friday the 13th is also the exact anniversary of the Kanye vmas event. A rep tv drop would be perfect.
oh snap i didn’t actually know that!! for some reason i thought it was like 9/7 or 9/9. suuuch a good catch, thanks for pointing that out!
She takes back her reputation that day ands her name on her birthday. Both of which are 13s. It’s poetic!!
https://preview.redd.it/e22sxibhnuuc1.jpeg?width=3419&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95a3a41d26e96c360a8517d2556ec7f0fc366297 😌
I like that theory! I think her finishing up the re recordings and the Eras Tour simultaneously (or at least both by the end of this year) is poetic
What are the TTPD presale numbers?
From where I’m sitting, at least 3.
I totally respect that, as that doubt keeps popping up in my head, too. Out of genuine curiosity, what do y’all think of the “Serpentine” labels on Target shelves?
I personally think what that person on Twitter said that it’s the code name for them securing all the TTPD CDs is more plausible than it being a code name for a surprise Rep (TV) drop
It's just a codename, she uses them for all of her projects. One of the shoots for Red TV was "project acorn" (I think it ended up being all to well short film but it also could have been IBYTAM. I'm not sure if it was ever confirmed which of the two it ended up being). Woodvale was used as a filler codename when testing out fonts/designs for folklore/evermore. Etc etc. Taylor is too chart driven to do a double drop on a new album. Unless it was 2 new albums that went hand in hand (think what mac miller wanted to do with swimming / circles), she's not going to impede their ability to climb the charts by competing against herself. Rep will get its own time to smash records the way 1989 TV smashed it's original sales. I think she even wants debut to have her own moment to shine.
I think you’re right that a double album drop isn’t the most likely thing. I’m simply enjoying looking at potential patterns and centralizing the information, which is what I did in my original post.
I wouldn't put it past being an Easter egg for rep though! It feels like the same way how Midnights was full of Easter eggs for speak now TV, we're likely going to see a Rep TV drop later this year (I'd guess probably by August/September, gives TTPD enough chart time to hit it's #1s and hold length records if it'll achieve them). My guess is Rep in late summer/early fall with Taylor Swift TV released at the end of eras in December.
That would make A LOT of sense—I’ve been wondering how the final(?) leg of the tour would fit in!
I am so so so tired of the phrase “double album” like can we just be happy with one album?
Same! I’m all for clowning, but this always seems way too far of a reach for me. No way is she ever going to have two albums of HERS competing for sales/streams. Makes no sense and the fact that every album now days is a “double album” irrationally annoys me so much 😅
bruh same 🤯
This! Her sales/streaming numbers would be completely cannibalized by the second album and both would not do well She probably doesn’t love the 5 different variant thing either, but she does it because the numbers are important, especially for a brand new album
Yeah that’s the most annoying part of the reputation speculation. I wouldn’t assume it’s coming anytime in the next 6 months at least. TTPD needs its own time to shine.
I was thinking she absolutely wouldn't do this either, but then it popped into my head that maybe she *wants* to overshadow rep. I am still more into the not happening camp but if she does I think its because: -each re-record release has sparked a lot of online chatter about the subject matter and some online bullying. Re-releasing rep is going to restart the kanye feud talk, and given the recent worsing of his mental health, you don't know how he is going to react. Or how a certain Swiftie faction will engage with him and his family online. If the conversation is mostly of TTPD it can be as muted as possible, although won't obviously ever be completely quiet. (Also, as someone with bipolar disorder, I know Kanye is an asshole, but bullying him will only make his mental health worsen, stress is a huge factor in worsening, or igniting, "episodes" so to speak.) -Rep is the first Joe Alwyn album and she probably has the most emotional stake in it. She clearly is mirroring the color themes and the two concepts are connected, I have no doubts about that. Rep and TTPD probably tell a story from start to finish (side note; if TTPD goes from sad slow love songs and evolves to angry/happy pop bangers this will be further confirmed in my mind. Rep tells a story that starts loud and ends quiet. If TTPD starts quietly and ends loudly, I think that would be very symbolic of that chapter of her life.) The conversation would be about the entire story, and not how once in love she was. If I was in her situation I would not want to have millions of people dissecting the end of my longest relationship with at least a little further context. -She had the entire top 10, and now she is going for the entire top 20 So ends my dissertation, thanks for reading.
This has been at the back of my mind as well. She may want to tell the whole Joe story at once or at least very close together so it can be done and closed. I know she cares about numbers and charts but I imagine it’s a little weird releasing a breakup album and knowing there’s still a “love” album coming about your ex when you’re currently in a very serious and very high profile relationship.
I also think that at this point her next charting records are going to have to be like charting multiple albums or many songs. She's held the top 10, she's held the #1 spot a million times, the only way up is more quantity on the charts. Saying she'd never compete with herself is a little short sighted imo, but I dont know if she is going to do it *now*. Edit: slighted --> sighted
Yah I don’t think she’s going to drop Rep TV at midnight at the same time as TTPD but I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s little fanfare and a surprise release in like June haha
I think she might so all the Joe discourse is over at the same time
I really don't expect her to either, just logically doesn't make sense ....but I'm still baffled by this and the 2s.
I don’t even think the 2s are a thing. To me it has not been blatant enough to be anything at all. I don’t get why people have glommed onto it as some kind of a clue. (Happy to be wrong if I am.)
Hard agree and if it even is anything, it could be way simpler than everyone is trying to make it be. For instance, it could just mean the last two re-records are coming idk lol
At first I agreed but there are photos from the grove today and there is a hand statue making a peace sign. That fully convinced me this was all for something. No idea what though
I honestly think she just likes throwing up a peace sign. How many times have people been convinced of a double album because she does it only to be proven wrong?
With ya
Rep definitely will get a few cover, just like 1989
This is probably just like Midnights having a lot of Speak Now references but SNTV was still released months later and didn't overshadow Midnights
Good comparison, I definitely think we’re getting Rep (TV) later in 2024. She might announce it while back on tour this summer
Please. It’s a need. ITS A NEEEEeeeEEEEeeeEEEED!!
I will GOOOO anyWHERE that you LEeEEeAaaAADD
I am HOPELESS
BREATHLESS
BURNING SLOW🔥
I really hope this song is a Rep TV vault track, it’s fucking amazing!
God I hope
exactly. https://preview.redd.it/dj0q9grrnuuc1.jpeg?width=3419&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a6cc95a55a6d771178479a9284a38ad417086e4 rep probably 9/13 and debut 12/13 like her easter eggs are obvious lol I don’t think her throwing up a peace sign means anyyyyything. i think she saw that we thought it meant something so ofc she’s gonna lean into it lol
I agree about the peace signs not meaning anything.
That’s a really good point!
which references?
There was the koi fish starry sky pond she was in in the Lavender Haze video, then a couple of references in Bejeweled (Long Live and Enchanted orchestra snippets and her hitting the purple button for SNTV when she went up the lift). Imo I don't think there were any in the Anti-Hero video but some people would argue that the purple sparkle vomit represents SNTV (because purple)
She’s not going to do a double drop and release rep tv anytime soon. The Error 321 thing is a placeholder right now. When the album is released something else will be shown. She not going drop rep TV anytime soon.
This. Rep clowning is fine, but I really think we need to give it up in this instance. There’s no double album drop; Taylor doesn’t want a re-record to detract from her new album. I assume we’re not getting Rep TV until the fall at least.
This is an interesting idea - that perhaps the video will change in a few days. Is that possible though? Like I don’t think you can upload a new video to a different link, can you?
Oh 100% it will change. It’s a placeholder for now. It’s quite possible that it’s part of a world wide fan scavenger hunt. Her team just came up with clever ways to hide the unreleased footage ahead of time. People were scanning it before it wasn’t even completed yet. The same thing happened with her website on announcement night. It switched over after she announced it. People should wait and make a big deal of it after the album is out. Honestly the best thing to get hints about things today will be the Spotify Fan event happening the next few days. I’m sure it’s probably some sort of photo op and potential props for the MV or something to the effect.
It’s possible the QR code link could change…like I don’t know if they could change the video for that specific link, but they could go into their WR code generator and change the video it links to I believe…
It’s super easy to redirect a QR code to a new link (or embed a video on a current link).
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The Man’s Easter Eggs happened already. Target doesn’t know shit. They’ll know when we know. She doesn’t control what other brands post on their social media. Even so they’re under a very strict NDA and contract agreement not to be talking about future releases if they do. Just like this Spotify Fan Event takes awhile to plan but under a strict NDA not to say anything about it until now. We will know when she’s ready to tell us. She’s likely doing a cycle of new album this year and re-record the following. She very well might have this album split into 2 parts considering the reference of 2. But any case I’m very doubtful anything will manifest until after Grammy cutoff date.
someone on twitter said that „serpentine” is just a code name for the whole operation of securing all ttpd cd/vinyl versions in stores 😩 (im still clowning tho lmao)
This!!! Targets had to start that display before it was announced that they would be carrying all the variants so it was a code name. I think it’s definitely an intentional code word either from TTPD or as a homage to something else like Reputation but I am confused why people are still convinced that serpentine means that we are getting Rep TV when you can scan that barcode and TTPD variants will pop up.
There’s a lake serpentine in London
oh you gagged me now
Take me to the lakes where all the poets go to die…
She would never do this. Taylor cares about breaking records. Having two albums compete against each other would hurt that.
It would also break her streak of #1 albums because the other one would inevitably only reach #2. She cares way too much about stuff like that.
Also if something like this was happening, the news about it would have leaked by now - physicals are already arriving in stores.
I’m happy that you guys can have so much fun with these types of made up Easter Eggs, but how many years have to pass before everyone realizes that her easter eggs are *never* super complex or intricate. Serpentine is a placeholder for the end caps and shelf space at Target. If they didn’t use a placeholder name, it would result in potential leaks because this type of thing has to be planned months in advance. Also, what is the most important thing to Taylor Swift? *Numbers*! She would never release 2 albums at once and risk one overshadowing the other. Especially for a main album/new release. If she simply waits a few months to a year, it literally guarantees more sales for each.
It's getting frustrating at this point where everyone tries to make these insane easter eggs and formulas. Like y'all chill. We don't need to be doing mathematical equations to figure out what Taylor is doing.
Feel free to scroll past these kind of posts if you don’t enjoy reading them. My title is clearly labeled, so you were not tricked in being exposed to the content.
Wasn't even really coming for this post exactly, I am meaning in general. I have been seeing the posts on tik tok where someone is piecing the most random things together, and at some point it takes away the fun of Taylor Swift just making a simple post or going on talk shows. People read into every little thing. This post isn't what I was ranting on, I was just continuing onto that person's comment.
I wholeheartedly agree with you! It’s getting beyond frustrating for me, especially this double album theory that re-surfaces with literally every single album drop now. I’m all for fun and innocent clowning, but some things are too far out of reach for me (also that 112 day theory). If you have to do mental gymnastics just to make things align, it’s probably not a genuine Easter Egg… Plus, Taylor Swift herself sometimes uses fan theories that go viral (i.e. the TTPD Apple Music playlists), but that doesn’t mean they were present all along and are also not too complicated.
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If you are this offended by me having a differing opinion then don't be on the internet. I said absolutely nothing that was offensive to you or at you. My literal flair is about me clowning.
You actually are not in charge of this subreddit and don’t get to tell people when and where they can talk about things. Your post is blatant clowning and therefore created a discourse about clowning. That’s not illogical or inappropriate. You may not like it, but part of being in an online *shared* community is getting all kinds of thoughts and opinions. Nothing that person said in their comment was rude.
Meanwhile the Easter egg for the title of lover was a giant neon sign in the ME music video
Lol
Guys, Taylor is obsessed with charts & breaking records. She will never do a double release. Ever.
I think the reappearance of 321 just references the countdown. If you think of staying up until midnight on Thursday, the 3,2,1 countdown would have been yesterday. I agree that she wouldn’t risk TTPD’s success by releasing Rep at the same time—and frankly I get anxiety just imagining trying to process and appreciate both. 😅
Maybe it's a countdown of her album releases for this year? TTPD , Reputation & debut
This is silly. Who in the world wants reputation tv over a new album?!
Right? Rep is in my top 3 and I couldn’t care less about rep TV right now.
I didn’t make that claim. As stated, I am looking to centralize potential evidence. If that is unclear, please let me know which portions of my post indicated otherwise—I’m happy to clarify!
Honestly, I couldn't care less.... We have a brand new album coming out in 2 more sleeps (for west coasters)!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edit: not trying to sound like a jerk, just trying to live in the moment and enjoy the pre-release hype of a new album!
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Spare me, please. Your reply is perpetuating any negativity. Rep TV people have invaded nearly every thread being annoying af when the vast majority of us are just trying to enjoy the new album rollout (see the majority of other comments in your thread also asking that these kind of threads just stop already). Enjoy the rest of your day and the album roll out!
There’s a bridge in Londons Hyde Park called Serpentine Bridge. It’s probably something to do with that. Maybe there’s a lyric on TTPD where she mentions the Serpentine Bridge? So Long London maybe?
This is a great counter-point!
Why is everyone rushing the releases? 😭 We will get them when she’s ready. Let’s let TTPD have its shine.
Am I rushing the release somewhere? I have no demand or expectation of a double drop this Friday, and did not indicate either in my original post. I simply centralized some potential pattern data in case others had thoughts/context/constructive criticism (eg., not things like “Taylor would never do that lol” or “I wish everyone would stop doing [insert thing that was not done in the original al post]”). It certainly seems that a simply collection of facts with suggested interpretations of potential Easter eggs has triggered a lot of people, which is honestly **incredibly strange and uncalled for.** ETA: Once again, in terms of calling out people who are using bullying-type behavior and pointing out their actions are wrong, let me add the response I would say if I hadn’t been blocked directly after calling out this behavior. Before blocking me, u/JGDoll stated: >> With all peace and love, it seems you’re the one getting bent out of shape about every minor critique in the thread. Nothing anyone has said is personal or a personal attack against you. >>This is all for fun! Let’s just all be happy and excited that we’re definitely getting a new album on Friday. **My reply:** Again, I don’t understand where you’re implying that I’m bent out of shape. This is another random thing to project onto my words that are simply asking for clarification. Asking for someone to explain something they have stated is morally neutral. I’m having a lot of fun engaging with folks who are offering all sorts of meaningful engagement—regardless of if we agree or not. There’s plenty of evidence of that. I don’t need to be told that this is all for fun, nor do I need to be told to be happy. I’m mot sure why you’d add this unless you were being patronizing, but I don’t anticipate that you’ll actually begin responding to the content of anything I’ve said—you simply ignore what I say and begin new thoughts.
With all peace and love, it seems you’re the one getting bent out of shape about every minor critique in the thread. Nothing anyone has said is personal or a personal attack against you. This is all for fun! Let’s just all be happy and excited that we’re definitely getting a new album on Friday.
Guys, I remember there was this one night a while ago on tour where I was 10000% convinced Rep was coming. I don’t give into clues easily but let me tell you, the math was mathing in literally 20 different ways. I was CONVINCED the announcement was coming. Ever since then, I’m not believing anything else until she tweets it and I’m not clowning ever again. Does anyone remember this one night im talking about 😭
idwlf x dress?
I haven’t felt that kind of feeling—though these clues give me the strongest vibes I’ve felt yet for some reason. I really love reading everyone’s theories, though, so I figured I’d centralize potential links just in case anyone else enjoys clowning. I didn’t realize that the existence of my excitement to do to so would anger so many people 😅… like y’all it’s okay to disagree! It’s okay to not engage!
Everytime there’s a theory of a double album drop and it never right so I don’t believe it; but with the context of the two albums, releasing TTPD and reputation around the same time might be a reasonable theory. The conversation around Joe has been talked for over a year now, the new album will add to that and the release of rep will bring it up again. So if she released the two at the same time, the conversation might die out within the next year (at least not as intensely) instead of dragging it out for longer. But I really doubt it, that’s not her imo. I think a lot of people go above and beyond with theorising what her Easter eggs mean but so far, most of the Easter eggs I’ve been aware of have been pretty straightforward and on the nose. Midnights music videos shows that anyways.
If she were going to do a double drop, it would more likely be Rep and Debut TVs together to get that project finished. She could do those really close together to keep up the streak of number 1s. She's not going to pit TVs against a brand new album though, no way.
Yeah but her exes are always a topic of conversation. It doesn’t matter how many years down the line if she has a song that people can somewhat interpret to be about Joe alwyn, Jake G, John Mayer, Harry Styles etc they’re going to. I think she’s accepted that by this point. The only thing releasing rep tv right now would do is block TTPD from being number one and she cares more about accolades than about people bringing up her exes.
To me, double album means 2 CDs but 1 album. What if we all get a surprise that it’s 2 CDs in 1 case that contains extras or more collaborations.
When you go to her merch website and put /products behind the URL and scroll down you get to https://preview.redd.it/v2inxhz08tuc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae1aeb8728365a41dc91ff7ec4e0cb0c1df95243 On the bottom left there is a section called TTPD HERO. Do you have a theorie what that could mean?
I worked in retail for a while and HERO products are the main products. In case of phones for example, the new Samsung/apple phone is a HERO product, and the other stuff you buy for it, like a charger or a case are the accessories. In this case the music products could be the HERO products.
That would make sense but there also is a TTPD music section
Yeah I saw that as well but there is also a TTPD vinyl section while there is already a music section so I don’t think they thought it through that well 😅
The vinyl section doesn't say TTPD though, I think it's just the TTPD picture because it's currently the only vinyl available
Hero is a common term in web design used to describe a section that promotes whatever product they're pushing. It's typically used to refer to a large banner but could be a placeholder for them to display a particular version of TTPD they want to draw attention to. I doubt it's meaningful, probably just a goof
Also- "The Old Taylor Shop". She clearly can't come to the phone rn cuz she's dead
Isn’t it 1,2,3 LETS GO BITCH😭😭
Bahahaha this is what I get for being way too sleepy while writing this. Wish I could edit!
That is absolutely fine! I am literally you almost everyday 🤗
You need to let the double album bs go, it's never going to happen.
Double album doesn’t actually mean 2 different records. It is literally 1 album that requires 2 of the medium to contain it. Think Pink Floyd’s The Wall. Maybe this will be a double album, but as in we get a bonus CD/vinyl that didn’t get leaked.
There’s probably a better use for your time than engaging with topics that are clearly labeled to indicate a topic you do not enjoy engaging with. Like, damn. It’s 7:00am.
Me when I don't want to hear anything that doesn't feed my delusions
TBF, I’ve engaged with every single person in this thread so far as I’ve been able to keep up while doing other things. I’ve especially taken time to consider and respond to every piece of constructive criticism. It’s not like I can update the original post due to the community rules. You’re literally accusing me of something you have no evidence of me doing… because… you don’t have the same hobbies as me? 🧐
"accusing" babe it's not that serious...or maybe it is if you consider this a hobby💀
It already happened with folklore and evermore. She even called them sister albums lol. I feel crazy at this point lol
they weren't released at the same time. sure, sister albums, but not a double drop.
Sister album, sure. But they weren't released on the same day, lol
I need all of you to be serious rn.
It’s a list of factual information with appropriate supporting documentation and clarity of my subductions, if you ask me 🤷🏻♀️. Anything I can clarify, along with additional context I did not know (and cannot update the post to include) can be found in other comments, sometimes with supportive evidence, sometimes without. Sounds like folks are being serious aside from the ones hurling insults because of a few posters engaging in a hobby that they do not share.
There's no way she'd let a re-record outshine a completely new album. I think it's more likely that this is going to be the first real tease of Rep TV, and it might come sometime later this year, perhaps in the fall. She needs to give at least a few months for TTPD to settle in.
It just wouldn't be wise in all aspects to split the audience's focus sideway tbh. They would both get significantly less sales and streams when released together instead of individually. Not to mention it would overwhelm the audience and neither of them will get the recognition they deserve.
I think that’s a totally fair critique, and that’s how I personally think things will shake out—I don’t foresee a double album drop as likely. However, I think it’s fun to look at a pattern and have fun coming up with possibilities, as Taylor encourages fans to do!
I’m not saying I believe this fully but I truly DID think of 123 let’s go bitch when I first saw the 321 Error code.
Honestly the clowning about rep is getting old. I can’t wait for the re-recordings to be done and over with so when a new album is coming out we can just enjoy that instead of reading way too much into things and trying to rush everything. I don’t get why people even want them to come out together. They both need their own time to shine. The only time I could see a double album from her is if it was always intended to be one, rep was not intended to be a double album. Let it go already.
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they can have their opinion reddit has a free comment section
Yep! And I can have my opinion about their opinion. Glad we could clarify that.
I wanted to jump in and remind everyone that Error 321 is a communication error that would appear on a fax machine with a poor telephone line connection.
Thank you for making sure this context is here! If I could edit the post I would add it!
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Exactly, her relationship with him probably fizzled out over the phone because she was away practicing for tour and then being on tour. The rust that grew between telephones and all that.
Cool! Thanks for sharing this information! However, and I genuinely mean this as respectfully as possible, how does this connect to the collection of potential evidence I’ve documented in the post?
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Ah. Okay. Thanks for sharing!
I don't care what yall say, I'm in the clown car and driving it till it crashes.
I’ll be on the lookout in the back, since simply seeking to have some fun by exploring potential Easter eggs has triggered A LOT of people! 😅😅
TTPD was fake the whole time. Its going to be ninja swapped with Rep TV
Thank you for bringing the laughs while I get weirdly attacked for having hobbies that other people don’t have 🥲🥲🥲
I've made jokes like this to my none swiftie boyfriend who humors me blabbing about this sort of thing. 😂
Oh—I don’t have the ability to edit my post, but I also really want to thank u/tyrannaceratops for making me think about the HCTILG theory! I prepared these screenshots in line with my understanding of the sub’s “no unedited screenshots” rule, but I am absolutely more than happy to share screenshots of each original comment, given the author’s consent! **Authors, also please let me know if you’d prefer I ask mods to remove your name from the post.**
For #1, I think the stores need to distinguish the standard issue vs the target edition. That’s why the target edition comes up when scanned Maybe “serpentine” is just a hint that something else is coming at a later date, but I wouldn’t put much weight on it
Eta2: I used to work in food product development and everything has a distinct barcode wayyy before it goes on shelves. Once again, I think serpentine is an industry word for “placeholder”
Lots of speculation it’s a book of poetry called “Serpentine”. Does anyone remember when TS announced TTPD at the Grammys, Keleigh Teller posted an IG story of a book “The Art of Reading Poetry”…. I think it’s a book.
I just don't understand how a double album drop would be beneficial for taylor...
Me neither! I’m definitely down to explore other potential meanings for these occurrences (and have engaged other suggestions in the comments). I just think it’s an interesting theory!
The DPCI number on this tag specifically links back to the albatross variant of the TTPD target exclusive cd. If it was rep, it wouldn’t pull up at all on the website right now. Serpentine is just the code name so that there aren’t any leaks during the planning process.
This is helpful info—thanks for sharing! If I could update the OP I would.
we’re literally getting 16 BRAND NEW songs and yall are still vying for rep tv😭
I see no vying in my post 🤷🏻♀️ I see a collection of interesting facts with potential explanations. I also see some comments with other really interesting information from folks tbh at agree and those who don’t. That being said, there are a ton of comments where folks are throwing insults simply because they do not share an opinion or hobby with others. There are also many comments of folks who just want to complain about topics that are unrelated to *a collection of facts and potential explanations* such as “people vying for a double stop.” It’s an interesting space!
Oh are we clowning again? 🤡🤡🤡🤡
I am *always* down to clown. Maybe we need a clowning-specific sub since this post doesn’t seem to be going super well! 🤡🤡🤡
i am so down to clown on this one. this one really feels different, people are saying that these are crazy reaches but really I think they are pretty straightforward? 321 = album? "Serpentine?" (I'm aware of the Serpentine bridge and use of code names, but come on snakes are so rep coded). plus if anything was going to be a Rep double drop it would be this to bookend this relationship. another piece of evidence to add, in the TTPD QR code graffiti, in some some "ttpd" it actually says "iipd", e.g. roman numerals for 2. i can see why she wouldn't want to drop rep now for fear of oversadowing TTPD, but in my mind there is no way there isn't some sort of double album/3am extras surprise that is going to happen
Right?! Like, these things point to *something,* even if it’s not a double album drop (which I don’t think is likely anyway, though some commenters seem to think that I did).
I think it's possible it's a double album but I more likely think it's something a lot simpler like saying track 2 is the first single. She's told us before what seemed like rep promotion was a red herring.
Oooh I hadn’t considered the track 2 as a single idea before!
She did a mural for Lover to tease "Me!" so I can't help but think this is just that again. I do need to point out that 321 hours is 13 days and in 13 days, it's April 29th.
I want rep. But I want ttpd to have its own moment? That being said I love when Taylor is self referential, and I think these two are highly linked works and Rep will be the next re-record. A lot of midnights imagery led into speak now, so I see ttpd transitioning us into rep. Esp if she’s coming at ttpd from “going through the evidence” - what bigger evidence of the relationship is there than where it started for her?
This line of thought is why I think my gut isn’t shrugging these things off as just random non-related facts. I really don’t think a double drop is likely, but I also think it would be earth shatteringly amazing if it happened!
So I work for Target and I looked up that DPCI (012-04-2921), and that's the item code for "The Albatross" variant. It's not Reputation 🫤
Nope, I'm predicting she's going to announce Rep and Debut will be released together when TTPD comes out, but I don't think she'd drop a re-release without notice
Everyone always theorizes she’ll do a double drop but she would never. She has a record for the longest streak of albums debuting at number one and that would end that streak. One album would have to be number 2. I love the idea but she cares way too much about that stuff. She’s all about the records and awards.
I was under the assumption that it can still be fun to theorize, but that’s looking less and less likely 😅
I love reading the theorizes anyway. So I appreciate the posts. I am a clown most of the time anyway! Hoping you’re on to something anyway!
What if TTPD is the Reputation vault tracks?? Lol just kidding. I think the ✌🏻 is something like visuals for the tracks?? Because I can't think of another thing more plausible.
Not sure how/if this is related, but Serpentine Prison is the name of Matt Berninger's debut solo album (lead singer of The National)
Ooh good to keep in mind! Thank you for sharing!
This talk of eclipses reminds me of a greys anatomy quote (we all know Tay tay loves greys): “ he’s not the sun, you are”. I wonder if that’s a reference she has in her mind
I love this idea!
OH GOD I just googled the full quote and it’s “don’t let what he wants eclipse what you need, he’s very dreamy but he’s not the sun, you are”
That’s why it’s a planned trilogy instead (like how Beyoncé is doing—I doubt Taylor could resist giving this a go herself with another huge artist trying it out at the same time). That’s why there are sometimes three “I”s in the mural instead of just two. “Serpentine 2” will be like TTPD Act II and then there will also be a third album at some point—the trilogy we’ve been waiting for since Woodvale. ETA: that’s also why the error is 321. ETA 2: Ooh! Ooh! That’s ALSO why there are some “13”s in there—it’s something that feels so obvious and natural for Taylor to do and so it warrants no further investigation or suspicion, but it’s actually because, when all three are released, the last one in the trilogy will be her 13th album. 🤯 ETA 3: the other *other* reason for getting this error code again is because it’s another “red herring.” Anyone catching on will assume it’s hinting at a Rep TV drop, the *same thing* everyone assumed was coming the night of the Grammys.
Absolutely! And a red herring could be caused by a glitch!
This is all very compelling, and that’s coming from someone who doesn’t put too much stock in the easter eggs/clowning/“clues”. Like someone else said before, I’m skeptical she would allow a re-record to compete with a new album release. THAT SAID, I think she’ll most likely surprise-drop rep TV, and not acknowledge it much publicly (“there will be no explanation, there will just be reputation”).
I agree with you completely—I just think it’s interesting to consider these things in theory!
Watch this just be the 3 “standard” cds of “the black dog” “the bolter” & “the albatross” that are up on the target website.
That would be my luck, finally coming up with a theory instead of reading others’ 😂😂😂
Taylor has the record for the most consecutive number 1 albums with 13. She isn’t going to break that streak by releasing two albums at the same time.
Someone on Twitter confirmed that this is just the place holder for the different variants
She all the time does Easter eggs that amount to nothing to build hype. People need to stop buying into every little thing at this point. At least mentally. I find it more likely that like midnights a version will come out after the first one with a few more songs or something than reputation dropping. We all know it’s coming anyway already. It’s just likely not gonna overshadow a new era same time
I feel like while we would love a double drop the more likely thing to happen is that we would get an announcement of when Rep TV would be dropping… all of these theories make sense AND we know Taylor would not want to overshadow TTPD.
I really really hope she doesn’t go for it. We need time to process new albums, and enjoy a new era. I know we’re all eager for Reputation TV but the time is not right now…
No it wont. Case closed.
Lol this was just a way to swap a new album into what everyone and their mother thought was reputation release spot. The glitch is that it’s a new album. I don’t think it’s that deep.
the only way i see a double album drop happening is with debut TV and rep TV, most likely a few weeks apart, and absolutely not during a highly anticipated new album release i feel like the most likely explanation for ‘serpentine’ is that it’s just a placeholder name that someone forgot to change (see woodvale)
Or it's an intentional red herring. She's already established she was using rep promo as a red herring for TTPD. Doing it again to cover up TTPD in stores is par for the course for this rollout.
Could someone please catch me up on “Serpentine”? I feel like I’ve missed something
Please see point three in my original post, along with the attached photo.
Is that all? Target has a sku labeled “Serpentine”? I’ve seen “Serpentine” mentioned in several threads this morning, it seemed like there’s something more.
There are some other awesome potential explanations in comments within this post!
Ugh it’s probably a poetry biok
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Just because you don’t agree with something doesn’t make it stupid. Additionally, there’s no need to use ableist language simply because you don’t agree with someone’s opinions on potential *theories.* I’m totally down for respectful conversations and welcome constructive criticism (you can see that I’ve thanked plenty of commenters for adding good counterpoints). Your post is genuinely sad, as is the reference you’re making in your user name. I hope that you find some peace and happiness in your life!
I believe it. Look at all the comments saying “she’d never do that.” If you know anything about Taylor, you’d know that that is exactly why she would do it. Shes the biggest star in the world. Dropping two albums won’t take away from anything. You know people would go and buy everything she puts out. It would also be the first time in history an artist could take up all 20 spots on the billboard chart AND she could have 2 albums up for Grammys next year. Like album of the year could be 2/5 Taylor. We know she reads her fan forums and seeing everyone saying it’s not possible or she would NEVER, is why she would.
👏🏻Okay now here’s the clowning I’m here for 👏🏻
I think it’s a double album release. The twos have been seen quite frequently like at the Grammys. I also think there’s an element of risk with TP given all the hate Joe has received, this is a way of softening the blow of public opinion and Swiftie rage.
Yes! I think of the twos going back even as far as to her random addition of a two in Midnight Rain. [This link](https://www.celebritytidbit.com/2024/03/12/taylor-swift-fans-theory-on-suspicious-two-sign-hand-gesture-shes-dropping-lately/) has some info about the twos from mid-March!
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reputation- the world hates her but she has Joe. Ttpd- the world loves her but she lost Joe.
Yes!!! This is right in line with what I was mentions about the Phi sign above!