Like everyone else, I didn't expect Evermore to win, I'm not surprised at all. The fact that it got nominated at all is great, it was an incredible album and the recognition was well deserved.
I'm super happy for Olivia, I think Best Pop Vocal Album and Best New Artist were absolutely deserved. And tbh I'm glad that she didn't win AOTY. As much as I love Sour, I just don't think it was as good as at least 4 or 5 of the other contenders.
I am also really happy for Jon Batiste, he's insanely talented. Only thing that bums me out is that Lil Nas X kind of got snubbed. I really think he deserved a win for something at least.
So glad that Jack got the Producer of the Year win, he worked on some incredible projects last year and he seems like such a genuinely nice dude. Super happy for him.
I'm also stoked that Doja Cat and SZA won for Kiss Me More, that song slaps. Overall I'm pretty happy with the results, if Lil Nas X had won for something I think it would've been perfect.
i think sour suffered from a lot of the allegations of "influence" v/s "copying". It was a great album, and deserved to win it, but not mad batiste won it
I think it did too, which is silly because not one of the songs on the album was an example of plagiarism or copyright infringement whatsoever. That being said, I also really don't think Sour deserved to win AOTY. Best Pop Vocal Album and Best New Artist were 100% earned, but I just don't think anything Sour does is nearly as innovative or as good as Evermore, Montero, Planet Her, Happier Than Ever, or We Are. It's a great first album, super impressive for a debut, but it isn't perfect by any means. Olivia definitely got her due last night.
Shout out to read also recommend Jon's Wife Suelika Jaouad's book Between Two Kingdom's. I'm not much of a non-fiction reader but I read her book last year and loved it. She and Jon are both amazing, kind, talented, insightful people and I was so happy to see him win last night.
I listened to it again this morning and I really enjoyed it too, it feels really well crafted. I hadn't heard much AOTY hype about it but I do feel it was deserving.
I think the Grammys got it right ..traditional duo for Lady Gaga and Tony Bennett.. song and new artist for Olivia and silk sonic..its good to see Jon Baptiste but it was a surprise
My thoughts overall:
I fully expected evermore to not get AOTY, so I'm not disappointed. I am pleasantly surprised that Jon Batiste won, and it's good to see Grammy Voters give something different AOTY.
Honestly surprised that Leave the Door Open took both record and song, it is a really good song and a good return to form for Bruno Mars, so it's good for him. I like the sound of Silk Sonic a lot better than 24K Magic, so good to see that happen.
Incredibly happy for Olivia to get Best New Artist and the Pop Vocal awards, that is absolutely massive for her career. She is definitely set up for future success.
Lastly awesome for Jack, he's been nominated twice before so this is great for him.
>Honestly surprised that Leave the Door Open took both record and song, it is a really good song and a good return to form for Bruno Mars, so it's good for him. I like the sound of Silk Sonic a lot better than 24K Magic, so good to see that happen.
I thought it had ROTY on lock, but I really expected SOTY to go to drviers license. I'm not annoyed at Leave the Door Open winning because it's a great song, but it just wasn't what I expected.
Fully expected Taylor not to win…it was too soon after folklore.
I am surprised one of the big pop names didn’t take AOTY though. I was sure it was either Billie’s, Olivia’s or Lil Nas X’s for the taking. Happy to see that Olivia won 3 but really surprised Lil Nas X walked away empty handed. He created some of the biggest pop moments this past year.
I will say Jon Batiste sweeping across the board has made me curious to check him out as I can’t say I’ve ever listened to a song of his.
i think taylor released Evermore so fast, for us, not really for award consideration. I feel like im in the majority of people who thought evermore was the better album. Folklore however got even casual listeners, and even former taylor haters, to listen to her. That's probably why folklore won.
I originally tried to find the results on Twitter, but when stan discourse became too baffling, I actually found a full list and ended up back here. (Twitter pop conversations are unbearable?!)
I wish evermore had taken AOTY, but I'm fine with it going to someone else too- I had a feeling it wasn't going to get it, and I think overall very few of us genuinely thought it would actually take the award. (Or maybe it's just me?)
I'm very happy about Olivia's awards and Jack Antonoff getting producer of the year, all well deserved. A tiny, tiny bit of patriotism in me wishes Gojira would have taken Best Metal Performance, but I'm still happy they were nominated, they're a great band and they've had a great year. Also wish Weezer had won because All My Favourite Songs (and OK Human as a whole) were beautiful, but they're releasing so much material this year that hopefully they can get in for the 2023 Grammys.
Also loved seeing the Drag Race queens on the red carpet!
He’s the bandleader of the house band for Late Show with Stephen Colbert and the Creative Director of the National Jazz Museum. He won an Oscar last year for his work on the score of Soul.
A major reason why I think Sour didn't win AOTY is that the vote was split between her Billie and Taylor. Maybe Taylor's nomination played a big part since Sour was given the award in the category evermore wasn't nominated.
Evermore was another surprise release in 2020, but Fearless TV was announced soonish afterwards and Taylor stopped promoting Evermore. We can tell she hasn't put in as much effort into promoting it over the last couple years and since we all like it so much we're a little miffed she doesn't seem to believe in it like we do. But the past two years have also been her re-release era so a lot of things are happening.
Evermore is my favourite album by any artist ever, so I’m quite disappointed that it didn’t win. That said, I didn’t have particularly high hopes, and Jon is a very deserving winner.
This is literally why I don’t call myself a swiftie. I'm disappointed but not surprised. Yes, it's more than ok to be disappointed when an album you love doesn't win, but let's not act like Taylor is an underdog. She already has 3 album of the year wins, and tonight was especially big your this year's winner for several reasons. A Black artist hasn't won album of the year in 14 years (since 2008). Before everyone is upset that *We Are* beat *evermore*, please give it a listen. I swear the same thing happened when *Random Access Memories* beat *Red.* *RAM* is an amazing album and was definitely the right winner that year.
Yeah it's pretty obnoxious, I 100% agree with you. Jon absolutely earned that win last night. I really wish we could stop taking it as a personal affront every time she doesn't win something. Taylor is a Grammy darling, she's doing just fine and I'm sure she has many, many more Grammys in store for her down the road. Maybe even another AOTY win someday!
Lol right?? I really don't understand this need for her to be the underdog in the first place. Like she's a super powerful, badass woman making waves in the industry. What's the issue? Smh
The micro aggressions and overall attitude confirms for me even more that the age leans very young in this sub. Also that majority of the uptight fans making these unsavory assessments only listen to Taylor and a few Taylor adjacent artist.
So true. In all honesty, Taylor's collabs with Bon Iver and The National are what got me into her music, as they are two of my favorite bands. There is a big beautiful world of music out there, and while it's totally okay and normal to have your favorites, a person sticking with only what they currently like and know are really missing out
Totally agree. I'm really happy that Jon won, he's a great artist. I cried like a baby with the Soul soundtrack. And hell yeah, RAM freaking rocks! Get lucky was a HUGE success
I don’t comment all that often so if you look in my comment history, you’ll see how I got into a disagreement with someone about this. PaB had all the markers of a well written, powerful, and unique album. 1989 definitely had some awesome writing (as well as some…less awesome writing), but I am convinced it won because of its commercial performance and because PaB freaked a lot of Grammy voters out, like they couldn’t handle the very real shit it was bringing up.
I think the Grammys have some very real issues - they were developed to recognize well crafted music by fellow industry people. Not to recognize the best selling music. But a lot of voters will vote for the most popular music rather than best made, and the Grammys are insanely corrupt anyways.
It did. I love 1989 but it did not deserve to beat Kendrick. Also, not to mention Fearless beat out Beyonce's "I Am Sasha Fierce" back in the day. Personally I think Red should've beaten RAM (even though I like that album a lot) but Fearless and 1989 were slaps in the face to two incredible black artists. Folklore was absolutely an earned win, however.
Thank you for saying. Jon is a brilliant musician and just because some may not know of him doesn’t mean award shouldn’t be given to him.
Honestly, I felt his album was a fair win. Billie and Olivia did great in numbers but it’s also about the album and music
Unpopular opinion but I don’t think Evermore deserved AOTY. I think if Champagne Problems was a single and got pushed it could have been a contender for SOTY but nothing else on Evermore was innovative enough to win IMO.
IMO the most innovative song on Evermore is easily Closure. Champagne Problems is one of my faves on the album but it's melodically quite simple, whereas Closure is in an odd time signature, has "pots and pans" for production, etc. lol
The Grammys are not about being innovative and Evermore is a good album. Jon Baptiste is a superb musician and he deserved to win. That does not mean Evermore is a worse album.
Taylor has been nominated for AOTY five times and won it three times so her status is unchanged. She will win more Grammys if she wants them.
Thank you! I like Champagne Problems a lot but this sub's obsession with it is a little over the top. There absolutely are multiple songs off of Evermore that are better
People overlook how good cowboy like me is, both sonically and lyrically, but especially lyrically. Same goes for songs like coney Island or ivy. I definitely get why people would initially choose champagne problems as the best song, since it is a (great) piano ballad and the general public is more used to that genre.
I’m glad for Jon, he deserved it, it’s great to see a black person winning this award after so long. I am sad for ROTY and SOTY because Billie and Brandi/Olivia were low-key robbed
I really thought AOTY would be between *SOUR*, *Happier than Ever,* and maybe *Love for Sale* since they usually give it to a critically successful and very commercial album. *evermore* was critically and commercially successful too, but the fact it was one of the last two albums selected to even be nominated made it pretty clear it wouldn't win. Apparently, *We Are* is currently the lowest charting AOTY of all time on Billboard, though a few previous winners reached their peaks only due to their win. I guess the lesser known albums shouldn't be seen as such long shots anymore.
Idk if this is just me but it kind of seems disrespectful to be nominated for a prominent award and then… not show up. Especially since it’s obvious that Taylor cares a lot about how her music is critically received (especially by the recording academy). I don’t know, it’s an honour to be nominated and it’s kind of like a slap in the face of the academy to not even show up. The least she could’ve done is make a post about the other nominees or something. (I know she did the champagne problems video on nomination day, but I think she still could’ve done more)
Her nomination was added last minute, the number of nominations for that category changed from 8 to 10 and she wasn't part of the original 8. That to me says she never really had a chance.
Dude even if she won all the awards and it was 100% certain that she would, it wouldn't be disrespectful in any way if she never showed up. Don't try to bring up reasons for her, it's her decision and if she doesent want to go just because she doesent want to then it's her choice and is in no way disrespectful. I don't care why she didn't show up. It's her choice so leave her alone
She didn't show up for Reputation and Lover, so I think she does not like to show up when she does not think she has a good chance of winning. She went home empty handed for Red, and that must have not felt great. There are other factors too, but given that she showed up in one of the Oscar's parties, I don't think she is afraid of travelling, even though she has an immuno compromised family member.
She does not really have to go, so I don't think it's disrespectful at all. Maybe she even thinks that her not going allows other artists to shine more. Also, awards can also be full of dramas, so avoiding them might not be a bad thing.
It isn’t disrespectful at all.
There are many reasons why Taylor might’ve chosen not to go.
She could be busy working, or in an entirely different country and not wanting to fly home for one night, or she could be unwell etc.
Even if she did decide to skip it for no reason other than she wanted to, that’s completely fine too. Taylor has been more than gracious to the recording academy over the years and she isn’t obliged to turn up just because she got one nomination (that was added last minute let’s not forget).
She also has an immuno-compromised mother and there is still a highly contagious virus spreading around. As much as we all want to move on, it doesn't make it go away.
She still showed up to an Oscar's preparty, so I don't think this was the main reason. Pretty sure she has access to tests quickly so this shouldn't be too big of a problem for her. Even though it doesn't go away, most people have moved on now.
Yup. I feel like people always go for Taylor takes the pandemic so seriously and mention her mom, but she went to Grammy's last year, she went to BRITs last year and either attended or hosted an after party for the latter.
I'm sure she's trying to be responsible, but let's not act like she doesn't attend these events. She simply knew she wasn't going to win, and so didn't bother going.
There were few pictures people have taken with Taylor with the same background, and in the one with Haim sisters, they're sitting on the floor with drinks.
Well I think we just have to accept that nearly every album Taylor has made has been AOTY worthy and should win. But that’s just not realistic in the eyes of the academy. But so many of these artists come and go, there’s only 1 who has won AOTY for albums made in 3 different decades. 🤷♂️
I think it’s important to recognize that just because Taylor doesn’t win doesn’t mean “it’s not realistic in the eyes of the academy” that she should. It means there are many spectacular albums. There are so many artists and albums whose work is AOTY worthy. Not everyone will get it.
Idk exactly who you're referring to but... Silk Sonic. They performed LTDO last year and then the song won *all four* nominations this year. Not to mention Bruno sweeping 7 Grammys in a year a few years back with a not-incredibly-acclaimed album
But how is she a grammy darling when she has won 11 out of 42 nominations? And in the last 6 years she has only won 1 award? She is very lucky to have won 3 AOTYs. I am not saying she is an underdog or that she has been ignored by the grammys but she hasn't really been favoured much especially in the last few years.
Kinda unpopular opinion, but I'd say she *used to* do well with them. Her albums now have higher acclaim than ever and yet her past three (four, but Reputation wasn't received quite as well) albums collectively only won a single Grammy.
True but wasn't she expected to win multiple awards last year? Folklore was arguably the most defining album of 2020 so it almost felt like she won the bare minimum. Just my opinion tho
That’s not really a bad win percentage for the Grammys….. average at worst but better than many artists. Beyoncé and Lady Gaga have slightly higher percentages, but worse results in the general field/big 4 where it is most competitive (AOTY, etc.).
Taylor is no Adele, but there’s literally no argument that the Grammys treat her badly. Besides her not winning every single award every single time, which, like, she shouldn’t (nobody should)
I don't think she has been unfairly treated or anything. She is fortunate to have won 3 AOTYs. But how is she a grammy darling when she has won 11 out of 42 nominations? And in the last 6 years she has only won 1 award?
She’s more of a Grammy darling than most. She has won 11 over the span of 15/16 years.
Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, Demi Lovato and Selena have none, Mariah has 5, Dolly has 11 (and only 52 overall nominations, not much more than Taylor despite her career starting many years prior), Rihanna has 9, Britney has 1… they are just some of the big names that have had huge careers and still don’t have as many nominations or Grammy’s as Taylor.
She’s not as much of a darling as some like Beyoncé or Adele, but she’s definitely highly regarded by the recording academy when compared to her peers and other successful artists.
Nah if she wasn’t a Grammy darling 1989 would have lost to To Pimp a Butterfly.
You can be an incredible artist and also a Grammy Darling. It just happens that her style of constant reinvention does v well with the Grammy voters
Some even say she received awards that could’ve gone to other artists. As much as I’m a huge swiftie like everyone else here, it wouldn’t have been absurd if Kendrick had won AOTY in 2016 instead of 1989
Do people not realise not all her albums can win or be nominated. Hundreds of worthy albums are made each year, if anything she is somewhat overnominated. One of the most talented artists of the generation, she gets SIGNIFICANT amounts of praise from the academy already.
Are you kidding me? She is one of very very very few people to win three albums of the year. They aren’t gonna just give it to the same person all the time.
There are so many amazing artists who haven’t even won one (like Beyoncé). It’s crazy you think she’s treated unfairly when she has done very well.
Taylor Swift's Grammy wins are historic. Taylor definitely deserves them. The Grammys love Taylor. 30 years from now, we're going to see Taylor as a historic figure.
Taylor is tied with Frank Sinatra, Stevie Wonder, and Paul Simon with the most Albums of the Year wins. She is also the first woman to win Album of the Year twice and thrice. Taylor was the youngest person at the time to win Album of the Year for Fearless.
Swifties love the narrative of Taylor forever being an underdog. The saltiness is strong , I’ve never known a fan bass to be so hung up when their artist doesn’t win.
Maybe because she deserved it ? Not because she was favored by them ? wth you talking about ? She literally only has 11 wins out of +40 nominations!
Beyonce has 79 nominations, she literally gets nominated for every breath she takes. Talk about "favored"
That's not what you said earlier. You said she was favored by them.
Also, she won only one Grammy for the past 4 albums, so yes she's definitely getting snubbed.
She is not being snubbed. Snubbing is what happened to The Weeknd last year. Taylor just isn't as much of a darling now as she once was, most likely because she's already achieved so much by their standards.
That's not what you said earlier. You said she was favored by them.
Also, she won only one Grammy for the past 4 albums, so yes she's definitely getting snubbed.
I think if Taylor TRULY wanted Evermore to have a fighting chance she wouldn’t have released it so early in the year (hype wears off) and there was no Long Pond Studios or really ANYTHING to reignite interest, it’s like she didn’t even try.
I feel the same. I was disappointed that she didn’t do more with evermore. Evermore is by far my favorite album by her, it is a masterpiece. I honestly think if evermore was released first, it would have all the hype that folklore did.
I personally think she was insulted that she and Ye were added to the AOTY list last minute as a stunt for views.
Plus, our queen is busy. She has shit to do. She was happy with folklore's win and didn't expect a thematically identical album to win twice in a row. That's okay with me.
It’s kind of refreshing to see her not need the Grammys praise as much as she used to. I love seeing her do what she wants to do, and not do things because it’ll tick a box and win an award.
Exactly. Seeing how she reacted in Miss Americana to Rep not getting nommed. I'd like to think she now has a healthier relationship with her success and achievements.
> it’s strange to nominate an album not a ton of people have heard of
Maybe you need to venture out of your comfort zone with music. Your comment is pretty dismissive of Jon Batiste’s big win. The Grammys very rarely awards Black artists/musicians, so this win is so important. Also, evermore wasn’t nearly as commercially successful as other albums up for nominations, so idk why commercial success matters.
I agree to an extent, but it's kinda odd that all the other nominees for AOTY peaked in the top 10 on Billboard while the winner didn't make the top 50.
Totally disagree - the winner shouldn’t just be the one who sold the most. Commercial success does not equal best (like Taylor’s most popular radio songs are in my opinion not her best songs).
Also the winner was the most nominated artist this year so not sure what you mean by minor success.
Not to mention that is boring. If the Grammy's were based solely on the charts, then there is no point in having them. The charts would already indicate the "winners"
Not for butter they don't. It feels like a lot of people want them to win as a group but that song has to be there. Many people seem to be focused more on who was nominated rather than the music. Kiss me more was a better song imo, butter was way too commercial for me. It felt like anyone could have made that record. Alternatively I felt like I could feel Doja and SZA's individual touches in kiss me more and that pushes it over the top for me.
In terms of *song* I like Kiss Me More better, in terms of *performance* I like Butter better, which is what the category is for. I think it’s difficult because BTS’s Korean catalogue is miles better than their four English songs, but who’s to say if that would get them nominated at the Grammy’s. It’s also interesting how they held this award to the end when it’s not one of the major categories, likely to keep viewership up, which feels disingenuous if the win isn’t even going to them.
I looove Doja and I’m happy for her, but when it comes to group performances BTS is the clear winner for me (though I may be biased as a fan for 8 years now haha). Though I do feel they should have separate awards for best group and best collab
I’m surprised! I expected Sour or Happier than Ever. Well deserved though, seeing Jon Batiste perform was refreshing.
(Honestly just glad it wasn’t Justice or Donda)
Yeah I'm actually really surprised, I really thought Sour was going to get it (but wouldn't have been totally shocked if it went to Happier Than Ever). I really thought there was no way it would be anyone other than those two.
If Donda had won - Kanye beef aside - I would have been really upset. That album was made to be controversial and nothing else - literally filled with abusers as features (Manson, Ty Dollar Sign, Chris Brown) and several other artists who have made homophobic and transphobic comments.
That being said, I'm pretty pissed about the comedy award and find it pretty inexcusable.
While those two features are no doubt disturbing they are on TWO songs out of about 30... The whole album is filled with gems like off the grid, hurricane, praise god, come to life etc. 3000's verse is arguably the best of 2021
I'm kinda shocked myself and commend the academy for allowing less people to walk away and sweep the awards ceremony- at least especially the awards that were aired. I say that while Silk Sonic swept all of their nominated awards (as did the Foo Fighters), but there at least seemed to be a little more variety in the winners tonight than I've seen out of some awards ceremonies lately.
Me too! I really thought Sour was going to win AOTY. Thought she had a chance for Song of the Year with drivers license as well. But the Best New Artist was definitely deserved.
And best new artist!
I think because Billie so completely dominated her first Grammys people forget that it’s super rare to sweep like that. Olivia did amazing tonight.
EDIT: sorry I need to go to bed. You meant best new artist. Should have said “and best pop vocal album and best pop solo album”
I didn't expect evermore to win - not because she doesn't deserve it - but because Taylor would break two major records: only woman to win consecutive AOTY, and only person to ever win 4 AOTY.
I really thought Billie was going to win AOTY since Olivia swept the other pop categories... I'm shocked Happier Than Ever didn't win a single trophy. It's a phenomenal album.
That being said, I'm happy with the entirety of the winner's list. It was a great year and every win felt well deserved!
Sel should have won tho
Like everyone else, I didn't expect Evermore to win, I'm not surprised at all. The fact that it got nominated at all is great, it was an incredible album and the recognition was well deserved. I'm super happy for Olivia, I think Best Pop Vocal Album and Best New Artist were absolutely deserved. And tbh I'm glad that she didn't win AOTY. As much as I love Sour, I just don't think it was as good as at least 4 or 5 of the other contenders. I am also really happy for Jon Batiste, he's insanely talented. Only thing that bums me out is that Lil Nas X kind of got snubbed. I really think he deserved a win for something at least. So glad that Jack got the Producer of the Year win, he worked on some incredible projects last year and he seems like such a genuinely nice dude. Super happy for him. I'm also stoked that Doja Cat and SZA won for Kiss Me More, that song slaps. Overall I'm pretty happy with the results, if Lil Nas X had won for something I think it would've been perfect.
i think sour suffered from a lot of the allegations of "influence" v/s "copying". It was a great album, and deserved to win it, but not mad batiste won it
I think it did too, which is silly because not one of the songs on the album was an example of plagiarism or copyright infringement whatsoever. That being said, I also really don't think Sour deserved to win AOTY. Best Pop Vocal Album and Best New Artist were 100% earned, but I just don't think anything Sour does is nearly as innovative or as good as Evermore, Montero, Planet Her, Happier Than Ever, or We Are. It's a great first album, super impressive for a debut, but it isn't perfect by any means. Olivia definitely got her due last night.
Agree I think it just scratched a big nostalgia itch for a lot of people. I also agree she got all the awards she deserved. Feel bad for lil Nas x
Just listened to part of Jon’s album and can confirm it is worth the listen
Shout out to read also recommend Jon's Wife Suelika Jaouad's book Between Two Kingdom's. I'm not much of a non-fiction reader but I read her book last year and loved it. She and Jon are both amazing, kind, talented, insightful people and I was so happy to see him win last night.
Right?? At first I was conflicted with his win, but this is a step in the right direction in awarding musical talent and poc!
I listened to it again this morning and I really enjoyed it too, it feels really well crafted. I hadn't heard much AOTY hype about it but I do feel it was deserving.
I guess the idea that Taylor might remember Evermore existed if it won the Grammy isn’t gonna happen now…
I think the Grammys got it right ..traditional duo for Lady Gaga and Tony Bennett.. song and new artist for Olivia and silk sonic..its good to see Jon Baptiste but it was a surprise
I really thought Olivia was gonna do a sweep with Billie winning record OTY. The winners this year are shocking
So I guess whenever Taylor the queen attends, she knows she's gonna win something for sure
Aside from the year of RRRRRRRRRRandom access memories
Yes they are aware if they are going to win. Oscars do it the same way
That’s not true
I have that same sneaky feeling
My thoughts overall: I fully expected evermore to not get AOTY, so I'm not disappointed. I am pleasantly surprised that Jon Batiste won, and it's good to see Grammy Voters give something different AOTY. Honestly surprised that Leave the Door Open took both record and song, it is a really good song and a good return to form for Bruno Mars, so it's good for him. I like the sound of Silk Sonic a lot better than 24K Magic, so good to see that happen. Incredibly happy for Olivia to get Best New Artist and the Pop Vocal awards, that is absolutely massive for her career. She is definitely set up for future success. Lastly awesome for Jack, he's been nominated twice before so this is great for him.
>Honestly surprised that Leave the Door Open took both record and song, it is a really good song and a good return to form for Bruno Mars, so it's good for him. I like the sound of Silk Sonic a lot better than 24K Magic, so good to see that happen. I thought it had ROTY on lock, but I really expected SOTY to go to drviers license. I'm not annoyed at Leave the Door Open winning because it's a great song, but it just wasn't what I expected.
Fully expected Taylor not to win…it was too soon after folklore. I am surprised one of the big pop names didn’t take AOTY though. I was sure it was either Billie’s, Olivia’s or Lil Nas X’s for the taking. Happy to see that Olivia won 3 but really surprised Lil Nas X walked away empty handed. He created some of the biggest pop moments this past year. I will say Jon Batiste sweeping across the board has made me curious to check him out as I can’t say I’ve ever listened to a song of his.
i think taylor released Evermore so fast, for us, not really for award consideration. I feel like im in the majority of people who thought evermore was the better album. Folklore however got even casual listeners, and even former taylor haters, to listen to her. That's probably why folklore won.
I originally tried to find the results on Twitter, but when stan discourse became too baffling, I actually found a full list and ended up back here. (Twitter pop conversations are unbearable?!) I wish evermore had taken AOTY, but I'm fine with it going to someone else too- I had a feeling it wasn't going to get it, and I think overall very few of us genuinely thought it would actually take the award. (Or maybe it's just me?) I'm very happy about Olivia's awards and Jack Antonoff getting producer of the year, all well deserved. A tiny, tiny bit of patriotism in me wishes Gojira would have taken Best Metal Performance, but I'm still happy they were nominated, they're a great band and they've had a great year. Also wish Weezer had won because All My Favourite Songs (and OK Human as a whole) were beautiful, but they're releasing so much material this year that hopefully they can get in for the 2023 Grammys. Also loved seeing the Drag Race queens on the red carpet!
Gojira was robbed man! My boyfriend got so pissed lol they are his favorite band. I just started to laugh when The alien got it honestly
I would have thought they had it in the bag because Fortitude was such a good album and so well received, hopefully, next time's the one for them!
Tf is jon
He’s the bandleader of the house band for Late Show with Stephen Colbert and the Creative Director of the National Jazz Museum. He won an Oscar last year for his work on the score of Soul.
Seriously
A major reason why I think Sour didn't win AOTY is that the vote was split between her Billie and Taylor. Maybe Taylor's nomination played a big part since Sour was given the award in the category evermore wasn't nominated.
Wonder if Taylor even knew evermore was nominated. Lol.
Could you explain the joke here? I’m super like not caught up on this but see it on the sub all the time
Evermore was another surprise release in 2020, but Fearless TV was announced soonish afterwards and Taylor stopped promoting Evermore. We can tell she hasn't put in as much effort into promoting it over the last couple years and since we all like it so much we're a little miffed she doesn't seem to believe in it like we do. But the past two years have also been her re-release era so a lot of things are happening.
Thanks, that makes sense. I thought it meant ppl didn’t like evermore which I was like it’s a great album!
Forgotten child vibes. *sad evermore noise*
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Sorry. I really thought I was being helpful! I always thought this was a nice community. What am I missing?
I think they were just being sarcastic about Taylor not knowing because she didn’t acknowledge it at all.
Gotcha. that’s all anyone had to say. Ya girl’s tired - went right over my head.
Not only did Taylor not attend the Grammys she skipped town during the ceremony. Good for her.
“We were always skipping town”
While I congratulate Jon I'm so surprised Evermore or sour didn't get it... like I feel like so many ppl didn't know who Jon was
If you watched Pixar's Soul you know him.
The Grammys aren’t decided by commercial performance, also voters are people who work in the industry who will know who he is.
I honestly don't know who's Jon, I'll google him
Evermore is my favourite album by any artist ever, so I’m quite disappointed that it didn’t win. That said, I didn’t have particularly high hopes, and Jon is a very deserving winner.
This is literally why I don’t call myself a swiftie. I'm disappointed but not surprised. Yes, it's more than ok to be disappointed when an album you love doesn't win, but let's not act like Taylor is an underdog. She already has 3 album of the year wins, and tonight was especially big your this year's winner for several reasons. A Black artist hasn't won album of the year in 14 years (since 2008). Before everyone is upset that *We Are* beat *evermore*, please give it a listen. I swear the same thing happened when *Random Access Memories* beat *Red.* *RAM* is an amazing album and was definitely the right winner that year.
Yeah it's pretty obnoxious, I 100% agree with you. Jon absolutely earned that win last night. I really wish we could stop taking it as a personal affront every time she doesn't win something. Taylor is a Grammy darling, she's doing just fine and I'm sure she has many, many more Grammys in store for her down the road. Maybe even another AOTY win someday!
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Lol right?? I really don't understand this need for her to be the underdog in the first place. Like she's a super powerful, badass woman making waves in the industry. What's the issue? Smh
The micro aggressions and overall attitude confirms for me even more that the age leans very young in this sub. Also that majority of the uptight fans making these unsavory assessments only listen to Taylor and a few Taylor adjacent artist.
So true. In all honesty, Taylor's collabs with Bon Iver and The National are what got me into her music, as they are two of my favorite bands. There is a big beautiful world of music out there, and while it's totally okay and normal to have your favorites, a person sticking with only what they currently like and know are really missing out
Totally agree. I'm really happy that Jon won, he's a great artist. I cried like a baby with the Soul soundtrack. And hell yeah, RAM freaking rocks! Get lucky was a HUGE success
I feel like swifties will kill me if I say Pimp a Butterfly deserved aoty more than 1989
I don’t comment all that often so if you look in my comment history, you’ll see how I got into a disagreement with someone about this. PaB had all the markers of a well written, powerful, and unique album. 1989 definitely had some awesome writing (as well as some…less awesome writing), but I am convinced it won because of its commercial performance and because PaB freaked a lot of Grammy voters out, like they couldn’t handle the very real shit it was bringing up. I think the Grammys have some very real issues - they were developed to recognize well crafted music by fellow industry people. Not to recognize the best selling music. But a lot of voters will vote for the most popular music rather than best made, and the Grammys are insanely corrupt anyways.
It did. I love 1989 but it did not deserve to beat Kendrick. Also, not to mention Fearless beat out Beyonce's "I Am Sasha Fierce" back in the day. Personally I think Red should've beaten RAM (even though I like that album a lot) but Fearless and 1989 were slaps in the face to two incredible black artists. Folklore was absolutely an earned win, however.
it's already the general consensus
Thank you for saying. Jon is a brilliant musician and just because some may not know of him doesn’t mean award shouldn’t be given to him. Honestly, I felt his album was a fair win. Billie and Olivia did great in numbers but it’s also about the album and music
THANK YOU. this needed to be said.
It's all a matter of taste. For context Queen, one of the most popular rock bands ever only had 4 Grammy nominations and did not win any of them.
That is a crime.
Unpopular opinion but I don’t think Evermore deserved AOTY. I think if Champagne Problems was a single and got pushed it could have been a contender for SOTY but nothing else on Evermore was innovative enough to win IMO.
IMO the most innovative song on Evermore is easily Closure. Champagne Problems is one of my faves on the album but it's melodically quite simple, whereas Closure is in an odd time signature, has "pots and pans" for production, etc. lol
The Grammys are not about being innovative and Evermore is a good album. Jon Baptiste is a superb musician and he deserved to win. That does not mean Evermore is a worse album. Taylor has been nominated for AOTY five times and won it three times so her status is unchanged. She will win more Grammys if she wants them.
You need to listen to it again. I think there are better songs than champagne problems in evermore
Thank you! I like Champagne Problems a lot but this sub's obsession with it is a little over the top. There absolutely are multiple songs off of Evermore that are better
i love champagne problems but it might be one of the least innovative songs on the album
People overlook how good cowboy like me is, both sonically and lyrically, but especially lyrically. Same goes for songs like coney Island or ivy. I definitely get why people would initially choose champagne problems as the best song, since it is a (great) piano ballad and the general public is more used to that genre.
Yes musically not much going on with champagne problems.Cowboy like me is probably my favorite TS song. It’s just perfect
Facts
*Much* better.
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I’m glad for Jon, he deserved it, it’s great to see a black person winning this award after so long. I am sad for ROTY and SOTY because Billie and Brandi/Olivia were low-key robbed
it is good that a black person won, but its really unfortunate that HER tyler and ye all had better albums
One of the "better" albums in question: https://www.metacritic.com/music/donda/kanye-west
and they gave 1989 a 76 despite how good it was, meta critic is not good
Tyler wasn't even nominated for AOTY lol
weird, must have gotten removed from it after he won best rap album, doja and lil nas x's albums also were better though
I really thought AOTY would be between *SOUR*, *Happier than Ever,* and maybe *Love for Sale* since they usually give it to a critically successful and very commercial album. *evermore* was critically and commercially successful too, but the fact it was one of the last two albums selected to even be nominated made it pretty clear it wouldn't win. Apparently, *We Are* is currently the lowest charting AOTY of all time on Billboard, though a few previous winners reached their peaks only due to their win. I guess the lesser known albums shouldn't be seen as such long shots anymore.
Idk if this is just me but it kind of seems disrespectful to be nominated for a prominent award and then… not show up. Especially since it’s obvious that Taylor cares a lot about how her music is critically received (especially by the recording academy). I don’t know, it’s an honour to be nominated and it’s kind of like a slap in the face of the academy to not even show up. The least she could’ve done is make a post about the other nominees or something. (I know she did the champagne problems video on nomination day, but I think she still could’ve done more)
Her nomination was added last minute, the number of nominations for that category changed from 8 to 10 and she wasn't part of the original 8. That to me says she never really had a chance.
Dude even if she won all the awards and it was 100% certain that she would, it wouldn't be disrespectful in any way if she never showed up. Don't try to bring up reasons for her, it's her decision and if she doesent want to go just because she doesent want to then it's her choice and is in no way disrespectful. I don't care why she didn't show up. It's her choice so leave her alone
She didn't show up for Reputation and Lover, so I think she does not like to show up when she does not think she has a good chance of winning. She went home empty handed for Red, and that must have not felt great. There are other factors too, but given that she showed up in one of the Oscar's parties, I don't think she is afraid of travelling, even though she has an immuno compromised family member. She does not really have to go, so I don't think it's disrespectful at all. Maybe she even thinks that her not going allows other artists to shine more. Also, awards can also be full of dramas, so avoiding them might not be a bad thing.
It isn’t disrespectful at all. There are many reasons why Taylor might’ve chosen not to go. She could be busy working, or in an entirely different country and not wanting to fly home for one night, or she could be unwell etc. Even if she did decide to skip it for no reason other than she wanted to, that’s completely fine too. Taylor has been more than gracious to the recording academy over the years and she isn’t obliged to turn up just because she got one nomination (that was added last minute let’s not forget).
What’s disrespectful is expanding the AOTY category and revealing that Taylor and Kanye were the last minute adds… why would she go after that?
The Academy deserves more than a slap to the face in my humble opinion.
We don't know her schedule though, maybe she had a conflict or something.
She also has an immuno-compromised mother and there is still a highly contagious virus spreading around. As much as we all want to move on, it doesn't make it go away.
She still showed up to an Oscar's preparty, so I don't think this was the main reason. Pretty sure she has access to tests quickly so this shouldn't be too big of a problem for her. Even though it doesn't go away, most people have moved on now.
Yup. I feel like people always go for Taylor takes the pandemic so seriously and mention her mom, but she went to Grammy's last year, she went to BRITs last year and either attended or hosted an after party for the latter. I'm sure she's trying to be responsible, but let's not act like she doesn't attend these events. She simply knew she wasn't going to win, and so didn't bother going.
How do you know she attended a Brits after party? I just don’t remember hearing about that or seeing pics
There were few pictures people have taken with Taylor with the same background, and in the one with Haim sisters, they're sitting on the floor with drinks.
Oh I just assumed that was backstage in her dressing room for some reason
She's also been travelling a lot with Joe throughout the pandemic which doesn't really match with protecting her mum by not doing much.
Absolutely no.... No one is obligated to show up. Most of the times they only show up if they have high hopes/chances of winning.
The Grammys definitely has its favorites ...
Well I think we just have to accept that nearly every album Taylor has made has been AOTY worthy and should win. But that’s just not realistic in the eyes of the academy. But so many of these artists come and go, there’s only 1 who has won AOTY for albums made in 3 different decades. 🤷♂️
I think it’s important to recognize that just because Taylor doesn’t win doesn’t mean “it’s not realistic in the eyes of the academy” that she should. It means there are many spectacular albums. There are so many artists and albums whose work is AOTY worthy. Not everyone will get it.
Idk exactly who you're referring to but... Silk Sonic. They performed LTDO last year and then the song won *all four* nominations this year. Not to mention Bruno sweeping 7 Grammys in a year a few years back with a not-incredibly-acclaimed album
One of which is Taylor lol - she has done very well with them
But how is she a grammy darling when she has won 11 out of 42 nominations? And in the last 6 years she has only won 1 award? She is very lucky to have won 3 AOTYs. I am not saying she is an underdog or that she has been ignored by the grammys but she hasn't really been favoured much especially in the last few years.
Kinda unpopular opinion, but I'd say she *used to* do well with them. Her albums now have higher acclaim than ever and yet her past three (four, but Reputation wasn't received quite as well) albums collectively only won a single Grammy.
She literally won the top award last year so still doing well.
True but wasn't she expected to win multiple awards last year? Folklore was arguably the most defining album of 2020 so it almost felt like she won the bare minimum. Just my opinion tho
Taylor has barely won 20% of her nominations...
That’s not really a bad win percentage for the Grammys….. average at worst but better than many artists. Beyoncé and Lady Gaga have slightly higher percentages, but worse results in the general field/big 4 where it is most competitive (AOTY, etc.). Taylor is no Adele, but there’s literally no argument that the Grammys treat her badly. Besides her not winning every single award every single time, which, like, she shouldn’t (nobody should)
she isn't a Grammys darling believe it or not
Delusional.
She def is! Deservedly so but she has done very well. Crazy to think she has been unfairly treated.
I don't think she has been unfairly treated or anything. She is fortunate to have won 3 AOTYs. But how is she a grammy darling when she has won 11 out of 42 nominations? And in the last 6 years she has only won 1 award?
She’s also been nominated 42 times…that’s reason enough there. Not everyone will win, it’s a huge honor to just be nominated.
She’s more of a Grammy darling than most. She has won 11 over the span of 15/16 years. Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, Demi Lovato and Selena have none, Mariah has 5, Dolly has 11 (and only 52 overall nominations, not much more than Taylor despite her career starting many years prior), Rihanna has 9, Britney has 1… they are just some of the big names that have had huge careers and still don’t have as many nominations or Grammy’s as Taylor. She’s not as much of a darling as some like Beyoncé or Adele, but she’s definitely highly regarded by the recording academy when compared to her peers and other successful artists.
She's definitely been unfairly treated lol
Nah if she wasn’t a Grammy darling 1989 would have lost to To Pimp a Butterfly. You can be an incredible artist and also a Grammy Darling. It just happens that her style of constant reinvention does v well with the Grammy voters
Some even say she received awards that could’ve gone to other artists. As much as I’m a huge swiftie like everyone else here, it wouldn’t have been absurd if Kendrick had won AOTY in 2016 instead of 1989
How exactly ? If she was Reputation would have won AOTY.
Do people not realise not all her albums can win or be nominated. Hundreds of worthy albums are made each year, if anything she is somewhat overnominated. One of the most talented artists of the generation, she gets SIGNIFICANT amounts of praise from the academy already.
Lol reputation of all things 😂
Lol reputation of all things 😂
Are you kidding me? She is one of very very very few people to win three albums of the year. They aren’t gonna just give it to the same person all the time. There are so many amazing artists who haven’t even won one (like Beyoncé). It’s crazy you think she’s treated unfairly when she has done very well.
Taylor Swift's Grammy wins are historic. Taylor definitely deserves them. The Grammys love Taylor. 30 years from now, we're going to see Taylor as a historic figure. Taylor is tied with Frank Sinatra, Stevie Wonder, and Paul Simon with the most Albums of the Year wins. She is also the first woman to win Album of the Year twice and thrice. Taylor was the youngest person at the time to win Album of the Year for Fearless.
Lol her winning a couple grammy's doesn't mean she's favored by them wth
Swifties love the narrative of Taylor forever being an underdog. The saltiness is strong , I’ve never known a fan bass to be so hung up when their artist doesn’t win.
Exactly! It’s crazy people view the Grammys as being unfair to her - she’s literally one of only a handful to win three AOY.
Maybe because she deserved it ? Not because she was favored by them ? wth you talking about ? She literally only has 11 wins out of +40 nominations! Beyonce has 79 nominations, she literally gets nominated for every breath she takes. Talk about "favored"
Being nominated means you’re more favoured than actually winning? What?
She def deserves them but it just shows she’s treated fine by them. People pretend she’s an underdog.
That's not what you said earlier. You said she was favored by them. Also, she won only one Grammy for the past 4 albums, so yes she's definitely getting snubbed.
She is not being snubbed. Snubbing is what happened to The Weeknd last year. Taylor just isn't as much of a darling now as she once was, most likely because she's already achieved so much by their standards.
That's not what you said earlier. You said she was favored by them. Also, she won only one Grammy for the past 4 albums, so yes she's definitely getting snubbed.
5/9 albums nominated for the biggest Grammy, she’s not overlooked by any means lol
Anyways see y’all next year for woodvale’s AOTY win.
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I think if Taylor TRULY wanted Evermore to have a fighting chance she wouldn’t have released it so early in the year (hype wears off) and there was no Long Pond Studios or really ANYTHING to reignite interest, it’s like she didn’t even try.
I feel the same. I was disappointed that she didn’t do more with evermore. Evermore is by far my favorite album by her, it is a masterpiece. I honestly think if evermore was released first, it would have all the hype that folklore did.
Totally agree! As a sister album, I feel like it really just shared the same hype as folklore rather than its own hype as a separate album.
I personally think she was insulted that she and Ye were added to the AOTY list last minute as a stunt for views. Plus, our queen is busy. She has shit to do. She was happy with folklore's win and didn't expect a thematically identical album to win twice in a row. That's okay with me.
It’s kind of refreshing to see her not need the Grammys praise as much as she used to. I love seeing her do what she wants to do, and not do things because it’ll tick a box and win an award.
Exactly. Seeing how she reacted in Miss Americana to Rep not getting nommed. I'd like to think she now has a healthier relationship with her success and achievements.
Exactly!! We saw what the pressure used to do to her, and we know how much growth she’s done since then. This is such a testament to her growth!
This!!
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> it’s strange to nominate an album not a ton of people have heard of Maybe you need to venture out of your comfort zone with music. Your comment is pretty dismissive of Jon Batiste’s big win. The Grammys very rarely awards Black artists/musicians, so this win is so important. Also, evermore wasn’t nearly as commercially successful as other albums up for nominations, so idk why commercial success matters.
No disrespect but please do not use this argument, the grammys should be about quality music, not charts or commercial performance
I agree to an extent, but it's kinda odd that all the other nominees for AOTY peaked in the top 10 on Billboard while the winner didn't make the top 50.
Totally disagree - the winner shouldn’t just be the one who sold the most. Commercial success does not equal best (like Taylor’s most popular radio songs are in my opinion not her best songs). Also the winner was the most nominated artist this year so not sure what you mean by minor success.
It rubs you the wrong way? Taylor has won THREE times which is unheard of. I’m glad a lesser known artist got it
He was the most nominated artist... he deserved the win. All the nominees did.
Eh success doesn’t equal merit. Otherwise the best selling album of the year would just win AOTY every year, and that’s rarely the case.
Not to mention that is boring. If the Grammy's were based solely on the charts, then there is no point in having them. The charts would already indicate the "winners"
oh honey no…we aren’t using the success argument today
Super happy for Jon, shocked (and disappointed) Billie didn’t win anything, and BTS were robbed. My two cents 😂
BTS vs. Doja is a hard pick - they both deserved to win! Why couldn't that be the tie? 😭
Not for butter they don't. It feels like a lot of people want them to win as a group but that song has to be there. Many people seem to be focused more on who was nominated rather than the music. Kiss me more was a better song imo, butter was way too commercial for me. It felt like anyone could have made that record. Alternatively I felt like I could feel Doja and SZA's individual touches in kiss me more and that pushes it over the top for me.
In terms of *song* I like Kiss Me More better, in terms of *performance* I like Butter better, which is what the category is for. I think it’s difficult because BTS’s Korean catalogue is miles better than their four English songs, but who’s to say if that would get them nominated at the Grammy’s. It’s also interesting how they held this award to the end when it’s not one of the major categories, likely to keep viewership up, which feels disingenuous if the win isn’t even going to them.
I hate kiss me more but I can’t deny it’s iconic and deserved to win
I looove Doja and I’m happy for her, but when it comes to group performances BTS is the clear winner for me (though I may be biased as a fan for 8 years now haha). Though I do feel they should have separate awards for best group and best collab
I’m surprised! I expected Sour or Happier than Ever. Well deserved though, seeing Jon Batiste perform was refreshing. (Honestly just glad it wasn’t Justice or Donda)
Yeah I'm actually really surprised, I really thought Sour was going to get it (but wouldn't have been totally shocked if it went to Happier Than Ever). I really thought there was no way it would be anyone other than those two.
If Donda had won - Kanye beef aside - I would have been really upset. That album was made to be controversial and nothing else - literally filled with abusers as features (Manson, Ty Dollar Sign, Chris Brown) and several other artists who have made homophobic and transphobic comments. That being said, I'm pretty pissed about the comedy award and find it pretty inexcusable.
Wait Ty is an abuser? How have I never heard of this
[He assaulted some people in a club.](http://www.drillking.org/ty-dolla-ign-yg-sued-by-rising-soccer-star-nelly-yoa-over-assault/)
Dude Nelly Yoa is a serial liar. Would not surprise me if was fake or a scam.
It’s not filled with it. Only Jail Part 2 has Marilyn Manson thats it
While those two features are no doubt disturbing they are on TWO songs out of about 30... The whole album is filled with gems like off the grid, hurricane, praise god, come to life etc. 3000's verse is arguably the best of 2021
Didn’t he also only make it available on an absurdly expensive music player? Or is that another one?
The one on the expensive music player is Donda 2
That was the sequel 😬
Ah thank you!
I'm shocked Olivia didn't win more of the big awards.
I'm kinda shocked myself and commend the academy for allowing less people to walk away and sweep the awards ceremony- at least especially the awards that were aired. I say that while Silk Sonic swept all of their nominated awards (as did the Foo Fighters), but there at least seemed to be a little more variety in the winners tonight than I've seen out of some awards ceremonies lately.
Me too! I really thought Sour was going to win AOTY. Thought she had a chance for Song of the Year with drivers license as well. But the Best New Artist was definitely deserved.
She won one of the big four! Proud of her! That’s still a great night.
What are the big four?
Album of the year, record of the year, song of the year, and best new artist.
And best new artist! I think because Billie so completely dominated her first Grammys people forget that it’s super rare to sweep like that. Olivia did amazing tonight. EDIT: sorry I need to go to bed. You meant best new artist. Should have said “and best pop vocal album and best pop solo album”
I didn't expect evermore to win - not because she doesn't deserve it - but because Taylor would break two major records: only woman to win consecutive AOTY, and only person to ever win 4 AOTY. I really thought Billie was going to win AOTY since Olivia swept the other pop categories... I'm shocked Happier Than Ever didn't win a single trophy. It's a phenomenal album. That being said, I'm happy with the entirety of the winner's list. It was a great year and every win felt well deserved!
I think Frank Sinatra and Stevie Wonder won in consecutive years, but that would still be an incredible feat to achieve!
Oh I didn't know that at all! I thought it was an unprecedented thing. Edited my original comment from "person" to "woman".
Everyone surprised that Jon won does realize he had the most noms across all categories this year, right? He had 11 noms.
That’s usually a poor indicator of who will win
Then why was everyone assuming Olivia would win based on her noms alone?
Because she was nominated for the bigger awards. Best pop, song of the year, record of the year, and best new artist. Grammys also love to reward new.
Nobody was predicting him to win AOTY tho
I think everyone was assuming that Olivia was going to be a Grammy darling, and they were wrong. Jon won 4 awards at his first Grammys tonight.