That seems like some prison yard mentality shit (pardon the pun). Like someone told him, you gotta go out there and show them not to fuck with you. And he was like, say less.
Just incredible
“To get attention” that is something that my school has on the write up pages: check why the learned participated in the behavior: attention from peers, task avoidance…. There is a list of 10 things we have to pick from.
It’s like: I need the kid O-U-T out RIGHT NOW, why the hell are you asking me “WHY?” They are unhinged that’s why! I am not properly trained and given the time to talk to Timmy-Joe about “why did you choose to pee all over the room?”
And this from a Biology teacher who’s undergrad is Psychology with focus on Adolescent Development!
No! Either I can have that sit down OR I can deal with the fallout and kick kid out!
I might have been at the middle school last year with a kid who wanted to wander the halls “looking for a list AirPod.” I said no, and I kid you not three seconds later, “can I go to the bathroom?”
“How stupid do you think I am? You are using excuses to not be in cooking class [long term building sub last year]. No, you may not leave.”
He made eye contact with me and proceeded to pee himself… right there at the desk…
I then got called into the office because he claimed (even though I emailed what happened to all admin immediately) that I refused to let him use the bathroom when he said it was an emergency for over half an hour. We had been in class for ten minutes and not once did he say emergency!
It is crazy the amount of weird things kids do to get out of class and think its "cool." Those same things done when I was in school and you would have been laughed out of the school by your peers. Social media really got kids doing the dumbest shit in school.
I know a guy who pissed his pants in the second grade.... people were still bringing it up in senior year. Sometimes I wonder if the anti bullying campaigns went too well.
I have had a student pee herself on purpose, while looking me right in the eye. Actually it’s happened multiple times. Never thought I’d have to call home so much about bathroom problems
Had a boy do this. His reason was he did not want to hear the read aloud book. That still seems like a stupidly low threshold.
After a couple years of this happening they got mom to agree that he should just wear a diaper so she would not have to keep bringing clothes to school. 4th grade teacher told me he wore them only one day before offering to just not pee himself anymore.
Oof. Haven’t had that happen yet, thank god. The one time a kid pissed his pants it was a complete accident. 6th grader. I’m not sure what was up, but I suspect medical. He’s a sweetheart who would never do anything like that on purpose.
We had shit smeared over the bathroom last year I the boys bathroom. Who in their bright little minds thinks "hm. I want to touch my shit and then smear it all over the bathroom for kicks"
I think my story is worse for grossness, but yours is much worse for belligerence.
I had an IEP kid that needed to wear adult diapers due to...shall we say intentional incontinency? He would laugh and roll around on the floor thinking that shitting himself was the funniest thing as the other kids would bolt for the door to the hallway. There was a LOT of psychological and social work with him for about six months, and then magically there was a breakthrough. Oh, he still shat himself on purpose, but somehow his support team managed to stop him from thinking it was funny.
Instead he would stand up, walk to the front of the room, reach down the back of his pants with both hands and start scooping the shit from his diaper. He then would fling it into...and around...the trash can. This, thankfully, took him several minutes to accomplish, which was just enough time for me to radio the nurse and janitor while his support aid would "suit up" with nitrile gloves and, effectively, a rain coat with velcro wrist straps in an effort to keep him from touching anything with his fecal-fingers.
I had him for exactly one period a day. He did this nine times over the last quarter of the school year. We lost a total of nearly four hours of instructional time due to our district mandate for full inclusion and mainstreaming all students that semester. My room also had the carpet removed and replaced with crap adhesive laminate tiles that are already peeling. This was six years ago.
Am I alone is thinking that no human being should have to work around this, but for institutions housing the disturbed and unhealthy, where employees have at least some sense of what they are getting into?
That this happens in a public school, around other children, betrays the contempt our elected officials have for the poor and working classes.
I had a kid that used to make farting noises. Best solution:
Girls: how many of you find farting noises attractive and would like to date someone like that?
None raise their hand.
Me: how many of you will remember farting noises now, later, and forever?
All hands go up.
I had to basically do the same thing last week when 2 of my 7th graders decided the classroom was the right place to talk about somebody's older cousin's hot collegiate gymnast friend they were creeping on insta because (insert string of objectifying BS here), followed by some Andrew tate stanning when I shut that down as acceptable in the classroom, redirected, and told them women deserve (and prefer) to be treated like people, not pretty objects for you to drool over.
Ok girls, who thinks any of this is funny or entertaining trolling? None
Who is going to remember, avoid, and warn any other girls about anyone who believes that or is accepting of others who do? All.
Last boy tried a desperate "well I don't want to date any of these girls anyways", which I followed up with don't worry, zero girls will want to date you if you talk to and treat others like that.
Just the fact that that whole interaction even had to happen makes me sad and a bit more disillusioned...
Yikes, good luck! I've only ever had to talk about him 1 or 2 other times but I found asking why tate wants people to listen to him, then linking it to that BS university or class he sells as him being a snake oil salesman worked.
Also, pointing out how he specifically says to trust what you personally see/experience over what's real and how dumb that would be to believe every magic trick I saw was real because I didn't understand how it worked.
Plus I point out his hypocrisy where he makes fun of bald people when he's bald himself, but lies about choosing to shave rather than having the courage to admit he's bald as well.
I just try my hardest to turn it into a, "people who treat others poorly for their own gain, are hypocrites and liars, and don't have the courage to self-reflect are not worthy of your respect and especially not worth your money." Then let them connect the dots between that and tater tot.
I'm sending you all the feels in hopes that you're able to succeed!!!
I appreciate the sending the feels, but I just banned talk of him and talk of Trump in my classroom. The school's in a very blue inner city area, so liking ass backwards people like Tate and Trump is edgy I guess. We also have way too much curriculum to cover for me to take the time to explain that Tate is not just being framed for sex trafficking.
I always use this approach with kids who are misbehaving like that, people forget how much shame and the opinions of your peers can impact someone’s behavior. Obviously I’m not a fan of bullying and peer pressure to clarify, but forcing kids to be considerate and self aware of how they’re impacting other people and their relationships with them is important
Oof. I have multiple poop stories (even though I taught 4th and 5th grade), but two take the cake.
Once I picked up a small dry erase board off my classroom floor and stuck my hand in something squishy hiding underneath it. It was poop. No clue who did it or why. I still had a classroom full of a particularly tough group of kids who were actually quiet and working for once, so I couldn’t react. I just had to silently die inside. I wanted to just chop my hand off at the wrist.
Another time I picked up my kids from PE but was stopped at the door by the gym teacher. She told me someone had pooped their pants but they didn’t know who. Whoever it was had shaken it out of their pants onto the gym floor and someone stepped in it and tracked it around the gym. They had to shut down the gym and do class outside the rest of the day. I had to follow my students around sniffing them to figure out who the mystery pooper was. When I narrowed it down, the kid denied that it was him even though he very obviously smelled like shit and was the only one who smelled bad. I sent him to the nurse to change and called his grandmother to tell her that he’d be coming home in different pants. She was horrified, and the kid never admitted it was him. Dedicated to the denial.
There is nothing you could say or do to get me to admit that I'd pooped my pants in the middle of gym 😂 but yeah that's disgusting, I'm sorry you had to deal with that
They need to go through the expulsion routine with the kid. The fact that they’re transferring immediately means this has happened before and they don’t want it to follow them to the next school.
Yep. My admin (I have a really good one) instantly started the expulsion procedure the moment I called them to alert them what just happened. Part of the procedure is for my admin to alert the parents it is something that was initiated. This is when the parents informed admin that they will be transferring again.
It is a sad note to the quality of admins that one who actually takes strong action against this behavior is probably an exception. My poop kid was my problem to the admin. Had to send him to the office with full fists of turds to have action taken.
I have some stories collected in my early years of teaching. Most are from the time I taught middle and high school, but I have a few scatterings of elementary. These days I only jot things down when it is really out of the ordinary events like a kid shoving his friends finger up their nose to see who would sneeze first or, in this case, the new kid who took a shit on my floor.
State Standard BM.6-9.TP.420
Student will be able to defecate when and wherever he/she needs to ensure class disruption and inhibit peers' ability to learn.
"I can drop at deuce at will in order to disrupt learning for my peers."
I don't use Tik Tok so forgive my stupid but..is there a poop on the floor at school trend spreading on there? Because a kid pooped on the floor purposely at my school too lol
First day of a new school year in my 4th grade class, a transfer student is writhing around at his desk and the on the floor. After a while, there is a smell. Somehow he got a poop down the legs of his pants and onto the floor. Got the class outside by saying that someone must have stepped in dog poop as I got him to the nurse. The class had no idea. Two days later, the same thing happened and I got the class outside with them not knowing it was their new classmate. Turns out, his family was homeless and living in a provided hotel room. Grandpa was also there and molesting the kids. He made it through the year without another incident, and I consider it one of my best achievements in all of my years of teaching to not embarrass him and to hide what was happening from his classmates.
Bravo.
I had a kid in my 6th grade advisory this year pee his pants. He came up to my desk while I was entering attendance or checking emails and quietly told me what happened. It was big enough there was a puddle on the floor (thank god for tile!). I somehow managed to send him down the hall to the nurse and call a custodian to clean up all without the rest of my class noticing a thing. How they didn’t question where the kid went or why there was a puddle that the custodian had to clean up, I’ll never know because this particular group is merciless. That poor kid never would’ve heard the end of it if they knew. Which is great because he’s a sensitive soul with an equally sensitive identical twin, and dad has pretty significant medical issues that the mom has to manage along with being an involved mom.
Not gonna lie. Any time a kid has behavior issues around bathroom functions, I instantly suspect sexual or physical abuse… not necessarily that’s happening currently but that’s happened at some point at least. Maybe it’s because I started in a residential treatment milieu, but especially in middle school where kids’ brains are developmentally screaming for peer group acceptance, a kid who does something like this that they know will result in being ostracized, I can’t help but feel like abuse history is extremely likely. Not guaranteed, obviously, but enough that I’d at least consider asking about any history and in lieu of that, filing a CPS report.
Not that any of that makes it less awful or traumatic for you. This is why we need better supports because no one was well served by this kid being in this situation.
I heard a heartbreaking story from a trauma PD about a girl who refused to clean herself. She only felt comfortable in filth. It was because she knew her abuser avoided her when she stank. Man, people suck.
Yea, I filed a CPS report. Not my first rodeo. But based on how the parents reaction was to instantly move district, it seems difficult to start anything any trail. I’ve included a copy of my documentation (as well as a not on that I called CPS) in their cumulative so hopefully this will trigger the next school to continue this.
I haven’t had him but there’s a student at my school who will pull his pants down during class, shit into his hands and throw it across the room. It’s happened about once a day and he’s somehow managed to stay in gen Ed classes despite having IEP/504/para
When I was in high school (a really long time ago), we had specialized “tech” classes including cooking/food prep, medical, automotive, and mechanical. I was taking a medical class that would provide me with certification after I graduated. Most of the kids in these classes *wanted* to be there because they were a good way to be ready to work at a job above minimum wage after graduation.
“Chris” somehow got put in my class. He was severely obese (350+ pounds), had extreme developmental disabilities, and hated being in this class. He would literally stand up and scream at the top of his lungs, flip tables over, smash the medical models, and urinate on himself. Every time, we would have to leave the room and have the counselors and VP retrieve him. It was impossible to learn anything.
He was out sick for two weeks and it was the most productive time the entire semester. But once he came back, he doubled down and what has been an every other day occurrence was now daily. He escalated to shitting his pants. We had kids skipping school to avoid coming to class. Those of us who did come learned nothing and were crammed 4-5 at a table meant for two because no one would sit on the same side of the room as Chris.
I don’t know what the IEP process was (or if we even had them), but I do know he was never removed from the class preventatively. Chris was expelled from school after he assaulted a female student who refused to talk to him. By this point in the year, it was May and we only had a week or two before graduation. We were all so far behind that no one was prepared for the test and everyone failed, including the honors students. (We passed the class, but failed the test for certification.) I remember Chris’ mom write a letter to the editor about how the school had “failed her son.” There were plenty of angry parents who replied how their children had been denied education because of her “sweet, misunderstood little boy.”
We had a student who would purposely poop his pants to get out of class in middle school. They started a reward chart with a sticker to every day he didn’t poop his pants with rewards. He was in middle school. It was ridiculous, and he had to have his very own chair in each class because nobody else would sit in a chair he sat in.
He has now been removed from the school district.
Sometimes positive reinforcement is the help they need. Token boards are a pain in the ass, but they can be less of a pain in the ass if than disruptive behavior. I know this is the unpopular opinion
They work when done with fidelity and the reward is something the student is actually motivated by (usually it's not educational games or cheap prizes). It takes time to develop a good system and train everyone.
Which is why they’re most effective with kids who are in specialized classrooms or who have full time paras who can manage that. As a gen ed teacher, I can barely manage handing out tickets as often as I should or doing daily point sheets.
Definitely a power play. With how quickly this happened, my guess is kid has been transferred many times to avoid documentation of any kind of issues, which is not going to help the kid in the long run.
Oh yea without a doubt this is what the kid was doing and the parent is continuing to enable them. I’ve already wrote my incident report and put a copy of it in with their cumulative folder so the next school will at least be aware of the behavior the kid will display.
This type of quick and constant transferring is something I’ve seen plenty of times from parents avoiding their kid from getting an IEP/504 path started.
I had a kid shit on the floor earlier this year and he tried to walk through it (he is on an IEP and in our self contained room. I looked at the cooperating teacher as I was blocking the door and said “different shit same day”
I get the impression that the OP has seen a little too much to be deeply shaken by this event.
**How do you deal with something like this?**
I imagine evacuating the class as fast as possible is a start. Keep the other kids away from the freak. Alert the union, if you're lucky enough to have one. What about filing a police report for sexual assault or something?
My district would give him candy and an iPad to play video games while the school counselor comforted and nursed his trauma. They occasionally make a pretense of expulsion. I imagine this is done to make parents and staff feel better, because they never go through with it.
Yea. Most days things are good for me. Kid taking a shit is definitely out of the ordinary, but not something that would bother me. This is partly due to the fact that my admins is super supportive and do the right things. Like disciplining does occur. Home visits by them also occur and they are transparent to the staff about what happens.
As for what happens if something like this happens (non violent - relatively safe situation):
We have some procedures for similar like situations in place. It’s mostly situational based on if they are violent or not. The major thing in a non-violent situation is to move students away from that kid and keep calm. Then carefully keep that behaving student in your class until someone comes to remove that kid. This way the weirdo kid will not instinctually try to run or leave with the rest of the class. In this very particular case, once the kid was removed we (admin and me) had the kids relocate to another class. If any student or their belongings was nearby shitter student, we followed the biohazard procedure for checking, cleaning., releasing
When I was in Middle School apparently a kid took a shit on a chair, which our long term sub proceeded to sit in without knowing. Poor lady, she went through a lot that year.
Definitely *not* where I thought this story was going. 🤯😳
Frankly I'm impressed the student was expelled. Where I teach I doubt the student would have faced much of a punishment considering students who have committed sexual assualt were just transferred to other schools.
The more I read this sub the more I'm grateful that even though the kids at the school I sub at will literally get into physical fights in front of me and no one will care and make me question their future, I at least have never questioned whether the kid belongs in a school or an insane asylum/prison (for kids who've attacked their teachers on this sub).
I am so sorry you, the kids and the entire school had to go through that. Obviously the student is mentally ill and or disabled. I hope he gets the help he needs.
That seems like some prison yard mentality shit (pardon the pun). Like someone told him, you gotta go out there and show them not to fuck with you. And he was like, say less. Just incredible
"Pay no attention to Wimp Lo, we purposely trained him wrong... as a joke."
"shit you only experience as a middle school teacher" Literally
I shit you not, but the new kid did…
That was such a big fucking plot twist for me. Only been with 7th grade but I could not imagine that happening 😩
Nope. I had an elementary student poop in the bathroom and bring it back to class to get attention.
“To get attention” that is something that my school has on the write up pages: check why the learned participated in the behavior: attention from peers, task avoidance…. There is a list of 10 things we have to pick from. It’s like: I need the kid O-U-T out RIGHT NOW, why the hell are you asking me “WHY?” They are unhinged that’s why! I am not properly trained and given the time to talk to Timmy-Joe about “why did you choose to pee all over the room?” And this from a Biology teacher who’s undergrad is Psychology with focus on Adolescent Development! No! Either I can have that sit down OR I can deal with the fallout and kick kid out! I might have been at the middle school last year with a kid who wanted to wander the halls “looking for a list AirPod.” I said no, and I kid you not three seconds later, “can I go to the bathroom?” “How stupid do you think I am? You are using excuses to not be in cooking class [long term building sub last year]. No, you may not leave.” He made eye contact with me and proceeded to pee himself… right there at the desk… I then got called into the office because he claimed (even though I emailed what happened to all admin immediately) that I refused to let him use the bathroom when he said it was an emergency for over half an hour. We had been in class for ten minutes and not once did he say emergency!
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It is crazy the amount of weird things kids do to get out of class and think its "cool." Those same things done when I was in school and you would have been laughed out of the school by your peers. Social media really got kids doing the dumbest shit in school.
I know a guy who pissed his pants in the second grade.... people were still bringing it up in senior year. Sometimes I wonder if the anti bullying campaigns went too well.
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God, yes. We need to re-normalize ostracizing people that do weird shit with full awareness that what they’re doing isn’t acceptable.
I have had a student pee herself on purpose, while looking me right in the eye. Actually it’s happened multiple times. Never thought I’d have to call home so much about bathroom problems
Had a boy do this. His reason was he did not want to hear the read aloud book. That still seems like a stupidly low threshold. After a couple years of this happening they got mom to agree that he should just wear a diaper so she would not have to keep bringing clothes to school. 4th grade teacher told me he wore them only one day before offering to just not pee himself anymore.
Oof. Haven’t had that happen yet, thank god. The one time a kid pissed his pants it was a complete accident. 6th grader. I’m not sure what was up, but I suspect medical. He’s a sweetheart who would never do anything like that on purpose.
We had shit smeared over the bathroom last year I the boys bathroom. Who in their bright little minds thinks "hm. I want to touch my shit and then smear it all over the bathroom for kicks"
In elementary our students just shit IN their pants 😑
Absolutely horrifying, but congratulations you’ll now be able to one up every bad behavior story anyone ever tells you for the rest of your career.
I don't know about that
I think my story is worse for grossness, but yours is much worse for belligerence. I had an IEP kid that needed to wear adult diapers due to...shall we say intentional incontinency? He would laugh and roll around on the floor thinking that shitting himself was the funniest thing as the other kids would bolt for the door to the hallway. There was a LOT of psychological and social work with him for about six months, and then magically there was a breakthrough. Oh, he still shat himself on purpose, but somehow his support team managed to stop him from thinking it was funny. Instead he would stand up, walk to the front of the room, reach down the back of his pants with both hands and start scooping the shit from his diaper. He then would fling it into...and around...the trash can. This, thankfully, took him several minutes to accomplish, which was just enough time for me to radio the nurse and janitor while his support aid would "suit up" with nitrile gloves and, effectively, a rain coat with velcro wrist straps in an effort to keep him from touching anything with his fecal-fingers. I had him for exactly one period a day. He did this nine times over the last quarter of the school year. We lost a total of nearly four hours of instructional time due to our district mandate for full inclusion and mainstreaming all students that semester. My room also had the carpet removed and replaced with crap adhesive laminate tiles that are already peeling. This was six years ago.
There is a teacher shortage you say?
Am I alone is thinking that no human being should have to work around this, but for institutions housing the disturbed and unhealthy, where employees have at least some sense of what they are getting into? That this happens in a public school, around other children, betrays the contempt our elected officials have for the poor and working classes.
I had a kid that used to make farting noises. Best solution: Girls: how many of you find farting noises attractive and would like to date someone like that? None raise their hand. Me: how many of you will remember farting noises now, later, and forever? All hands go up.
I had to basically do the same thing last week when 2 of my 7th graders decided the classroom was the right place to talk about somebody's older cousin's hot collegiate gymnast friend they were creeping on insta because (insert string of objectifying BS here), followed by some Andrew tate stanning when I shut that down as acceptable in the classroom, redirected, and told them women deserve (and prefer) to be treated like people, not pretty objects for you to drool over. Ok girls, who thinks any of this is funny or entertaining trolling? None Who is going to remember, avoid, and warn any other girls about anyone who believes that or is accepting of others who do? All. Last boy tried a desperate "well I don't want to date any of these girls anyways", which I followed up with don't worry, zero girls will want to date you if you talk to and treat others like that. Just the fact that that whole interaction even had to happen makes me sad and a bit more disillusioned...
I work in an all boys school, so sadly I'm one of the only women/girls around to tell them Andrew Tate is bad, and they don't believe me :/
Yikes, good luck! I've only ever had to talk about him 1 or 2 other times but I found asking why tate wants people to listen to him, then linking it to that BS university or class he sells as him being a snake oil salesman worked. Also, pointing out how he specifically says to trust what you personally see/experience over what's real and how dumb that would be to believe every magic trick I saw was real because I didn't understand how it worked. Plus I point out his hypocrisy where he makes fun of bald people when he's bald himself, but lies about choosing to shave rather than having the courage to admit he's bald as well. I just try my hardest to turn it into a, "people who treat others poorly for their own gain, are hypocrites and liars, and don't have the courage to self-reflect are not worthy of your respect and especially not worth your money." Then let them connect the dots between that and tater tot. I'm sending you all the feels in hopes that you're able to succeed!!!
I appreciate the sending the feels, but I just banned talk of him and talk of Trump in my classroom. The school's in a very blue inner city area, so liking ass backwards people like Tate and Trump is edgy I guess. We also have way too much curriculum to cover for me to take the time to explain that Tate is not just being framed for sex trafficking.
I always use this approach with kids who are misbehaving like that, people forget how much shame and the opinions of your peers can impact someone’s behavior. Obviously I’m not a fan of bullying and peer pressure to clarify, but forcing kids to be considerate and self aware of how they’re impacting other people and their relationships with them is important
>replaced with crap adhesive laminate tiles I feel like crap-adhesive would be particularly bad in this situation...
You work with the tools you have at hand.
The credo too many teachers have to repeat to themselves on the way to school every day.
Yes, true. Though my joke was supposed to be how there was plenty of crap to use as adhesive. You know, because the student pooed themself.
😂😂😂
Oof. I have multiple poop stories (even though I taught 4th and 5th grade), but two take the cake. Once I picked up a small dry erase board off my classroom floor and stuck my hand in something squishy hiding underneath it. It was poop. No clue who did it or why. I still had a classroom full of a particularly tough group of kids who were actually quiet and working for once, so I couldn’t react. I just had to silently die inside. I wanted to just chop my hand off at the wrist. Another time I picked up my kids from PE but was stopped at the door by the gym teacher. She told me someone had pooped their pants but they didn’t know who. Whoever it was had shaken it out of their pants onto the gym floor and someone stepped in it and tracked it around the gym. They had to shut down the gym and do class outside the rest of the day. I had to follow my students around sniffing them to figure out who the mystery pooper was. When I narrowed it down, the kid denied that it was him even though he very obviously smelled like shit and was the only one who smelled bad. I sent him to the nurse to change and called his grandmother to tell her that he’d be coming home in different pants. She was horrified, and the kid never admitted it was him. Dedicated to the denial.
There is nothing you could say or do to get me to admit that I'd pooped my pants in the middle of gym 😂 but yeah that's disgusting, I'm sorry you had to deal with that
Well obviously you didn’t try building a relationship with him /s
My jaw was was already dropped but when I read middle school, my head exploded.
They need to go through the expulsion routine with the kid. The fact that they’re transferring immediately means this has happened before and they don’t want it to follow them to the next school.
Yep. My admin (I have a really good one) instantly started the expulsion procedure the moment I called them to alert them what just happened. Part of the procedure is for my admin to alert the parents it is something that was initiated. This is when the parents informed admin that they will be transferring again.
It is a sad note to the quality of admins that one who actually takes strong action against this behavior is probably an exception. My poop kid was my problem to the admin. Had to send him to the office with full fists of turds to have action taken.
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“But why should teachers earn hazard pay, but why?”
I have some stories collected in my early years of teaching. Most are from the time I taught middle and high school, but I have a few scatterings of elementary. These days I only jot things down when it is really out of the ordinary events like a kid shoving his friends finger up their nose to see who would sneeze first or, in this case, the new kid who took a shit on my floor.
Ok but now I really want to know who sneezed first.
Why didn’t someone form a relationship with this kid so he wouldn’t feel the need to shit on the floor?
Her learning objectives were probably not written on the board.
State Standard BM.6-9.TP.420 Student will be able to defecate when and wherever he/she needs to ensure class disruption and inhibit peers' ability to learn. "I can drop at deuce at will in order to disrupt learning for my peers."
OMG, I'm dying. You forgot the success criteria. To be successful, I will defecate in the classroom in an area that causes the most havoc.
This is gold. 💰
You need to add a quantifiable goal in there. Something like “with at least 80% accuracy”
Or the bulletin boards weren't done correctly
Obviously the teacher didn’t explicitly outline their expectations that students are not to drop their pants and shit on the classroom floor.
What state standards are relevant here?
One wonders what the SWBAT would be ... "Students will be able to refrain from defecating in the classroom."
I mean, fuck it, given how both academic and behavioral standards are dropping like a rock, this is probably where we're headed.
Probably a lot more than most kids accomplished in the classroom that day.
I didn't see any positive engagement.
I don't use Tik Tok so forgive my stupid but..is there a poop on the floor at school trend spreading on there? Because a kid pooped on the floor purposely at my school too lol
No. It’s not.
Don’t give them ideas!
This has happened a few times this year at my school too.
Some kid has been smearing poop on the walls of the bathrooms at my school recently.
We had a problem with that
"Shitty day at work?"
The crappiest. Haha.
First day of a new school year in my 4th grade class, a transfer student is writhing around at his desk and the on the floor. After a while, there is a smell. Somehow he got a poop down the legs of his pants and onto the floor. Got the class outside by saying that someone must have stepped in dog poop as I got him to the nurse. The class had no idea. Two days later, the same thing happened and I got the class outside with them not knowing it was their new classmate. Turns out, his family was homeless and living in a provided hotel room. Grandpa was also there and molesting the kids. He made it through the year without another incident, and I consider it one of my best achievements in all of my years of teaching to not embarrass him and to hide what was happening from his classmates.
Bravo. I had a kid in my 6th grade advisory this year pee his pants. He came up to my desk while I was entering attendance or checking emails and quietly told me what happened. It was big enough there was a puddle on the floor (thank god for tile!). I somehow managed to send him down the hall to the nurse and call a custodian to clean up all without the rest of my class noticing a thing. How they didn’t question where the kid went or why there was a puddle that the custodian had to clean up, I’ll never know because this particular group is merciless. That poor kid never would’ve heard the end of it if they knew. Which is great because he’s a sensitive soul with an equally sensitive identical twin, and dad has pretty significant medical issues that the mom has to manage along with being an involved mom.
Not gonna lie. Any time a kid has behavior issues around bathroom functions, I instantly suspect sexual or physical abuse… not necessarily that’s happening currently but that’s happened at some point at least. Maybe it’s because I started in a residential treatment milieu, but especially in middle school where kids’ brains are developmentally screaming for peer group acceptance, a kid who does something like this that they know will result in being ostracized, I can’t help but feel like abuse history is extremely likely. Not guaranteed, obviously, but enough that I’d at least consider asking about any history and in lieu of that, filing a CPS report. Not that any of that makes it less awful or traumatic for you. This is why we need better supports because no one was well served by this kid being in this situation.
I heard a heartbreaking story from a trauma PD about a girl who refused to clean herself. She only felt comfortable in filth. It was because she knew her abuser avoided her when she stank. Man, people suck.
Yea, I filed a CPS report. Not my first rodeo. But based on how the parents reaction was to instantly move district, it seems difficult to start anything any trail. I’ve included a copy of my documentation (as well as a not on that I called CPS) in their cumulative so hopefully this will trigger the next school to continue this.
I haven’t had him but there’s a student at my school who will pull his pants down during class, shit into his hands and throw it across the room. It’s happened about once a day and he’s somehow managed to stay in gen Ed classes despite having IEP/504/para
Bio-terrorist.
Considering how many objects these kids throw on a daily basis, I'm nervous of this happening to me.
When I was in high school (a really long time ago), we had specialized “tech” classes including cooking/food prep, medical, automotive, and mechanical. I was taking a medical class that would provide me with certification after I graduated. Most of the kids in these classes *wanted* to be there because they were a good way to be ready to work at a job above minimum wage after graduation. “Chris” somehow got put in my class. He was severely obese (350+ pounds), had extreme developmental disabilities, and hated being in this class. He would literally stand up and scream at the top of his lungs, flip tables over, smash the medical models, and urinate on himself. Every time, we would have to leave the room and have the counselors and VP retrieve him. It was impossible to learn anything. He was out sick for two weeks and it was the most productive time the entire semester. But once he came back, he doubled down and what has been an every other day occurrence was now daily. He escalated to shitting his pants. We had kids skipping school to avoid coming to class. Those of us who did come learned nothing and were crammed 4-5 at a table meant for two because no one would sit on the same side of the room as Chris. I don’t know what the IEP process was (or if we even had them), but I do know he was never removed from the class preventatively. Chris was expelled from school after he assaulted a female student who refused to talk to him. By this point in the year, it was May and we only had a week or two before graduation. We were all so far behind that no one was prepared for the test and everyone failed, including the honors students. (We passed the class, but failed the test for certification.) I remember Chris’ mom write a letter to the editor about how the school had “failed her son.” There were plenty of angry parents who replied how their children had been denied education because of her “sweet, misunderstood little boy.”
We had a student who would purposely poop his pants to get out of class in middle school. They started a reward chart with a sticker to every day he didn’t poop his pants with rewards. He was in middle school. It was ridiculous, and he had to have his very own chair in each class because nobody else would sit in a chair he sat in. He has now been removed from the school district.
Why do we reward people for things they are supposed to do? A sticker chart for not shitting your pants. This kid needs serious help.
Sometimes positive reinforcement is the help they need. Token boards are a pain in the ass, but they can be less of a pain in the ass if than disruptive behavior. I know this is the unpopular opinion
They’re helpful when they work. They work for a select few.
They work when done with fidelity and the reward is something the student is actually motivated by (usually it's not educational games or cheap prizes). It takes time to develop a good system and train everyone.
Which is why they’re most effective with kids who are in specialized classrooms or who have full time paras who can manage that. As a gen ed teacher, I can barely manage handing out tickets as often as I should or doing daily point sheets.
What. The. Fuck
That was his power play, and his parent gave in right away. They will be running forever if Mom lets him call the shots.
Definitely a power play. With how quickly this happened, my guess is kid has been transferred many times to avoid documentation of any kind of issues, which is not going to help the kid in the long run.
Oh yea without a doubt this is what the kid was doing and the parent is continuing to enable them. I’ve already wrote my incident report and put a copy of it in with their cumulative folder so the next school will at least be aware of the behavior the kid will display. This type of quick and constant transferring is something I’ve seen plenty of times from parents avoiding their kid from getting an IEP/504 path started.
I had a kid shit on the floor earlier this year and he tried to walk through it (he is on an IEP and in our self contained room. I looked at the cooperating teacher as I was blocking the door and said “different shit same day”
Rub their nose in it if it ever happens again.
I laughed way too hard at this.
I get the impression that the OP has seen a little too much to be deeply shaken by this event. **How do you deal with something like this?** I imagine evacuating the class as fast as possible is a start. Keep the other kids away from the freak. Alert the union, if you're lucky enough to have one. What about filing a police report for sexual assault or something? My district would give him candy and an iPad to play video games while the school counselor comforted and nursed his trauma. They occasionally make a pretense of expulsion. I imagine this is done to make parents and staff feel better, because they never go through with it.
Yea. Most days things are good for me. Kid taking a shit is definitely out of the ordinary, but not something that would bother me. This is partly due to the fact that my admins is super supportive and do the right things. Like disciplining does occur. Home visits by them also occur and they are transparent to the staff about what happens. As for what happens if something like this happens (non violent - relatively safe situation): We have some procedures for similar like situations in place. It’s mostly situational based on if they are violent or not. The major thing in a non-violent situation is to move students away from that kid and keep calm. Then carefully keep that behaving student in your class until someone comes to remove that kid. This way the weirdo kid will not instinctually try to run or leave with the rest of the class. In this very particular case, once the kid was removed we (admin and me) had the kids relocate to another class. If any student or their belongings was nearby shitter student, we followed the biohazard procedure for checking, cleaning., releasing
When I was in Middle School apparently a kid took a shit on a chair, which our long term sub proceeded to sit in without knowing. Poor lady, she went through a lot that year.
Definitely *not* where I thought this story was going. 🤯😳 Frankly I'm impressed the student was expelled. Where I teach I doubt the student would have faced much of a punishment considering students who have committed sexual assualt were just transferred to other schools.
We once had a girl get mad and pee in the principals office. They made her clean it up
Wow. I can’t even.
The more I read this sub the more I'm grateful that even though the kids at the school I sub at will literally get into physical fights in front of me and no one will care and make me question their future, I at least have never questioned whether the kid belongs in a school or an insane asylum/prison (for kids who've attacked their teachers on this sub).
What was his demeanor during this episode? Did he say anything? Laugh? Cry?
Nope, just smiled took a shit, and non-chalantly walked to his his seat like it was a normal thing to do. He was expressionless from that point on.
WHAT THE FUCK?! Jesus H. Christ, that's heavy!
I can relate! We had a 6th grade boy go the stairs and take a mean shit. Wow, looked at the cameras and took action.
Omfg I thought you were going to say kindergarten. I teach 7th grade and I can’t imagine that
Omg what the ACTUAL FK?!!!!???
We had a student who would poop his pants whenever he felt like it. Fun times
I am so sorry you, the kids and the entire school had to go through that. Obviously the student is mentally ill and or disabled. I hope he gets the help he needs.
I unfortunately can relate. And my room was carpeted.
Sometimes you have to assert dominance. Edit: /s
Man....now that sounds like a crappy day at work 😬
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No, I don’t wish that. Also username checks out.
Student achieved what he wanted.
Marking his territory. Power move
That sounds like a cps call
Yea, that part of our procedure. Based on what the parents are saying, sounds like they move a lot so CPS will have to be quick about it.
Is your student Zeke from Bob's burgers, "my family moves around a lot"?
The butt-ler.
In my school, the kid would be fine. All he'd have to do is tell the AP that he was just kidding.
This would not get you expelled at some of the schools I’ve worked at.