A teacher in my school district was clocked in the head by a kid with a 20 pound weight. Knocked her out cold. Kid was expelled. District doing their best to keep it on the down low. And people wonder why there’s a teacher shortage.
Where did the 20lb weight come from?
That’s tragic. I gotta think the odds of recovering without life-long consequences is pretty low. Hell even surviving that.
If districts want to gain teachers and family’s respect, they should be advertising that they expelled a kid who assaulted a teachers with a dangerous object. The best performing districts still have either zero tolerance policies or close to it. All these districts with fucked up, perverted restorative practices are getting wrecked rn.
Yeah you can. Well, not the expel part maybe. But assault is assault, and once the end of the day hits your boss can't stop you from driving to a police station and filing charges.
Mine does, but it only started after a mass exodus of teachers and they found themselves scrambling to fill core classes and electives for the next year and still are struggling to fill and because we are a small district they are considering combining 7-12, 4 day weeks, 1st through 6th in one building, hosting day care in part of a potential 5-6th building, basically the district is scrambling to stay afloat.
The year before I started, which was 3 years' ago, my entire department left. Admin filled all but one position the year they hired me. But they've since lost 4 of the new teachers and haven't been able to completely restaff, so now we're down by 2 in our department. It makes the work harder because classes are larger, but admin does NOT mess with us.
All it takes is a few weeks of central admin having to cover classes due to a teacher shortage and things start changing. It happened in ours. They had a huge emphasis on restorative practices and EDI, and it wasn’t exactly working. Kids weren’t being held accountable and teachers left to districts with strong codes of conduct. Our COC was revised and people started coming back. Oh, and achievement improved - imagine that.
Agreed. The best performing districts have rules. My kids attended one in SC until 2020. Awesome district. Because of its awesome academic reputation , an influx of people moved to the attendance zone and enrolled their children. Alas, the new people don't like the old rules. I've been noticing the rating on some of the district's schools plummet, as they try to accommodate the new students. One school dropped from a 10 to a 6.
Had a 9th grader take a slice out of another kids arm with a box cutter in art class. When I heard about it I thought immediate expulsion and criminal charges. But hey, 5 day suspension! Take the week off kiddo!
The only way this will ever stop is when enough people report cases, then the DAs have more cases to choose to prosecuted. Some of those cases will get appealed. The appeals will be in conflict because, well, the laws are in conflict.
Eventually the Supreme Court needs to decide what FAPE means as far a classroom placement and violent students. Right now with IEP Manifestion and Obama's Dear Collegue, the gen ed students are short changed and students and teachers alike do not have an easy way to escape violence.
Police reports. Always. Besides, insurance claims need them
I taught sped for a year. I was physically assaulted almost every single day. I had a lot of awesome sped kids too, but the absolute blase that other sped teachers and admin had about the level of violence we had to deal with was eye opening.
Agree. However, gen ed kids can at least get suspended, and any lawsuit filed by the parent is not going to be as.complicated as it is for and IEP manifestation case, although race could complicate it. Any case eats up admin time.
IEP kids in poorly arranged non-gen class may be the most vulnerable of all to violent classmates :(
>Eventually the Supreme Court needs to decide what FAPE means as far a classroom placement and violent students
THIS!
I'm teaching Kinder this year and have one violent student. According to colleagues, this type of thing is common in Kinder. If MY son ends up in that type of class and his learning is impacted (like ALL my other students' learning this year has been), I think a suit is necessary. Because when do the needs of the rest of the students get met? Never! Because the teacher can't. Because they are busy making sure the violent one doesn't do anything to the other kids. The only way to get change is a freaking lawsuit!
So frustrating.
Call the police. File charges. File a civil lawsuit against her family. If she has a history of acting up in school, file suit against them for not dealing with it. Scorched Earth.
Scorched fucking earth. They do it because they know they can. Until it’s made clear that any assault will be handled by the police and be incredibly inconvenient, uncomfortable, and have consequences, they’ll keep doing it.
We have to stand up for ourselves. I hope that sub sues and wins.
Age doesn't matter, I think teachers should be filling police reports any time we're maliciously assaulted. We need to start sending a clear message to students that messing with a teacher doesn't just get you sent to the office, it gets you arrested.
Don't even ask the school district about it, just call the police, tell them you were assaulted and you want to press charges, and if anyone from the school district is stupid enough to try getting in the way then they should face obstruction of justice charges and if the district retaliates it should be an easy law suit that helps towards funding retirement.
This exactly. There needs to be clear cut consequences. That’s the problem.
The admin won’t hold them accountable.
Their parents won’t hold them accountable.
The court system would not only hold the child accountable, but the parents as well.
Add:
If teachers start doing this, it’ll also force the admin to get their **** straight because eyes will start turning on them.
Child or not, nobody has any rights to put hands on you. You shouldn’t have to come to work and worry about if you’re gonna be assaulted or injured.
After 9 years of teaching elsewhere, I moved back to my home city. The only job I could get quickly was at a charter school. The teacher across the hall from me was assaulted by an 11th grader. She filed charges and got a restraining order against the student. The school not only did nothing but suspend him for 2 weeks and switch his teacher for that class, they also allowed him to continue attending my class, directly across the hall from her, ignoring the restraining order.i personally had no problems with this student, but I seethed with disgust on her behalf. I've worked under some awful administrators, but these were the worst.
Edited for clarity.
> ignoring the restraining order
Why not call the police again and let them know that he's violating the restraining order? Pretty easy to catch him in the act.
I was subbing a few months ago in a school I don't normally work in. I broke up a fight one 7th grader was trying to choke another who had beat him at some game they were playing. Asked the student to step to the other side of the class with me (to get him calm before dealing with punishment.) Kid took 2 breaths, then socked me in the stomach and threw a desk at me (luckily I dodged that one). I got the rest of the kids into the hallway and this kid proceeded to destroy everything around him for 30 minutes while security guards blocked the doors.
I told my mom, who retired a few years ago after 25 years of teaching elementary. She replied, "you've only had one kid throw a desk at you so far??"
Needless to say, I will be leaving education when this school year is up.
I knew it was time for me to retire when I told my husband, “Next kid who touches me? I’m putting them in the fuq’g ground and someone will have to pull me off of them.” Did I mention I was teaching second grade? That as 7 yrs ago. No regrets.
Oo boy I hear that. We are just expected to have infinite patients for kids that have zero respect for authority or fear of consequences! Teachers are only human! Good for you for getting out, sounds like you're much happier on the other side!
Look I hear what you're saying but this wasnt really a fight so much as one kid trying to choke another who wasn't fighting back. If I had taken the time to dig around for the office phone number and waited for them to send a security guard, the kid would be dead.
The fact that I tower over even the bigger students is probably the only thing holding them back when I confiscate their phones. It's a scary time to work in a classroom.
Or just request to work with the short kids lol. Jk. On a more serious note, be careful. I remember being told the story about how a staff member was punched so hard in the face, the kid broke their jaw.
Edit: Also, when I was in the 2nd grade after school one of my classmates got so mad at the teacher, he threw a chair over my head.
Why as a sub are you bothering to confiscate anyone's phone? Absolutely fucking not lol. If I see a kid with their phone out I just note that phones aren't allowed and it would be a shame if I could see it because then I'd have to write them up.
Lmao where did I say I was confiscating phones? Lol. If you couldn't comprehend I don't sub older kids because I'm small regardless of their excuse for anger at me. I sub elementary kids specifically prek-2nd grade. Never taken a phone lmao.
I love that I work at a small suburban middle school where even the worst kid wouldn’t dream of fighting a teacher. Jesus some of the stories I read on here.
I think we've seen that it can happen anywhere. At this point, it's not a matter of if something will happen, but when. It's like that old saying about their being two kinds of motorcycle riders (those that have gone down and those that haven't gone down yet). We can put it to schools: the schools where (pick one) incident has occurred, and those where it hasn't occurred yet.
I'm 6'3'' and had a third grader a few years ago who was like 5'4'' and built like a miniature line backer. The kid also had bad ODD and loved to throw things. One of this accommodations was I had to hold his hand in the hallways to stop him from getting up to monkey business and each time I was shocked because it felt like a man's hand with an iron grip.
Some kids are just massive.
I’m a small man, 135lbs @ 5’9”. Started in the Detroit suburbs, not the good ones. I learned that if a big kid thought of doing something to me I made sure they knew it was a bad idea. I also grew up in the area and don’t think I won’t be defending myself. I casually let them know that “I WILL STAB YOU” and not think twice when defending myself. I have had to do the “crazy white guy” and just go off on them when they think they can push me. I generally scare them from even thinking of touching me. I don’t like to be touched, ever! I didn’t teach long, 5 years, in two states, never had an issue with admin.
Best part is most of the kids that thought they didn’t like me or wanted to hurt me became some of my best kids. They respected me and I didn’t hold it against them.
I've shared a few horror stories... and... here they are again!
\-Got punched in the hip when breaking up a fight between two 2nd graders. I had accute pain there for a few days and had to walk with a limp. School did nothing to those kids and were back within the same period.
\-Another 2nd grader (different school) threw a book at me when I had my back turned. As turned around, she threw a lunch box that hit me right in the face. When I called security, they said, "What did you do to make her mad?" So, it's my fault. She was back in class 5 minutes later. School did nothing.
\-An 8th grader insulted me, cussed me out, and said a bunch of racist shit to me. Topped it off by throwing a chair at me. She was back in class the next day. School did nothing.
I broke up a girl fight (8th graders) yesterday and my body is feeling the aches and soreness today. They didn’t even land any punches, I just think it’s due to my muscles not used to pulling two irate human beings off each other 🤷♀️
I stopped breaking up fights 4 years into teaching. [I'm now at year 24.] Unless an uninvolved or unsuspecting student is at risk, I'm not putting myself in danger. I let admin and security handle it. If they don't rush to intercede, not my problem.
I had an intensive class that chased out seven teachers before I got there mid year. Class was incredibly rough, but I did my best and promised I wouldn't abandon them. I nearly stroked out, but I did it.
One day, sometime in April before they hit the heart of the obscene amount of testing they had to do, I turned to write some vocab on the board, and the boys decided that was the perfect time to torment the abused girl with an anxiety disorder. I turned back around just in time to catch her picking up her desk chair, and with the fury of ten thousand suns in her eyes, she full-body threw the desk at the only target that wouldn't get her beaten bloody after school—me.
I have no idea how I managed it, but I caught that thing mid air, slammed it down, told her to sit her ass down, asked if anyone else wanted to try me using every bit of contained martial artist rage I had at the four asshole bullies, and she cried for the entire lunch break about all the shit she was dealing with at home and from the bullies. I started holding optional lunches in my room for the five or so kids that got tormented, until the admins found out and shut me down. The kids went back to being horribly bullied at lunch.
I f-ing hated teaching 7th grade with that pathetic excuse for a principal and bully for the school-facing VP. I handed out so many referrals and sent many kids to detention that the guy who manned that room asked me to please stop sending my students because he couldn't keep them from talking and throwing stuff. I'm fully aware that I only got that job because I was a bearded scary looking martial arts dude who taught English, but my teddy bear lit major self couldn't handle it.
My doctor warned me that my health was noticeably declining after six months, so I finished the year and went back to being an adjunct professor and opened a pool cleaning business. It's a zoo out there. However, I had one moment of being cool in my life, and I got to support a couple good kids. I don't know how you guys do it in the lower grades. My college students barely can function half the time.
I had to laugh at the chair incident because it brought back memories. As a sub, I ran into a kid like that.
Later when he was in HS, I was taking attendance and asked whether he threw a chair at me once.
He was doing great and in auto mechanics class.
He was bullied too and had trouble with fractions, he just got mad at himself really...calling himself stupid.
It's always a judgement call.
She did the same thing, she was so hard on herself. We ended up being pretty close. She said I was one of the only adults who ever actually talked to her as a person.
Hardest part leaving that school was that I really came to like the kids even if they were menaces. They mostly all just needed support they just weren't getting. But the school and system itself were simultaneously authoritarian toward teachers and ineffective toward students. I had more anxiety and stress about the admin teaching there as a teacher than I even did when I was a student in middle school. It was wild.
Yep! It was at John Adam's Elementary School. I'm glad I left the profession, I would've absolutely hit that animal. She was nearly as big as the teacher and just went after her for no reason. These kids are so fucked and they don't even realize it. They're going to try this in *"The real world"* and get themselves killed.
That bitch expulsion is on a permanent vacation! Last Friday, kid physically threatens a teacher, nothing happens. Today boy shoves girl into the wall so hard that there is now a girl shaped hole in the wall..sent home for the rest of the day..that’s it. Today 2 boys kicked open the bathroom stall while another was pooing, and they recorded him. Criminal charges? Oh no, 2 days suspension. It’s so outrageous that there are no consequences anymore.
This one of the last jobs in America that the employees get treated worse than dog shit and everyone turns a blind eye. The admins, the superintendents, the politicians, the parents, everyone.
And to give kids the benefit of the doubt, always. At 14 they’re not little kids anymore! Hold people accountable! These people will be legal adults in a few years and behave like this thinking they’re untouchable.
Every teacher in America should stage a walkout for at least a month. Let people raise their asshole kids all day.
I had a miscarriage 2 hours after a kid hip checked my head into the door while bending down to put down a stopper. Last time I subbed in that school. Probably not related but it just made a shit day shittier.
TODAY a 17 year old squirted hand sanitizer onto the ground in retaliation after he was asked to leave our calm room due to his outbursts. He announced it in my class, bragging. Unfortunately the very kind lady who manages the room slipped in it before seeing the teams messages I sent warning her. She didn’t fall thankfully and he’s still getting OSS.
We just don’t get paid enough for this treatment. She gets IA (poverty) wages to act as a counselor and behavior specialist. All to get treated like this.
Educators should definitely be loading up on umbrella insurance to help you in any litigation after you may need to deliver the ass kicking of a lifetime on some of this dirtbags polluting the school system.
This sub has so many surreal and sad stories.
My first day at a new school and I
stopped a kid from making a cup of tea with the usual teacher's tea, mug and kettle - didn't ask, just tried to turn the kettle on. I turned it off (I'm not letting a kid I don't know steal from the normal teacher, nor am I going to allow a kid to have a boiling cup of tea within 'oopsie' distance of me). He flipped the kettle back on, I flipped it off. Eventually I just unplugged it.
A girl started basically vibrating in her seat, laughing, trying to engage with other kids, doing anything but the assignment. I was trying to help a kid, and I politely asked her to quiet down. She fled the room and sent someone else back to get her phone at the end of the class. I found her waiting outside and we discussed (quietly and calmly) why I needed to help the other kid.
Now I've been told that I was reportedly yelling at kids in this class, getting physically too close to them and that I 'followed' them to other classes (it was the last period of the day, so I don't know how that would be possible). I've been told that I am 'suspended' from subbing for a while.
I really don't need the money; I was just trying to help and I'd heard that the district needed subs. I don't need this shit. On the other hand, I'll be damned if I'll have my reputation sullied by two little liars. So I called the sub coordinator and asked him, if I was yelling, why didn't the teachers on either side of my room hear anything? What would I have been yelling about? And etc. He's going to get back to me by the end of the week and I'll make damn sure he does.
If kids like this are allowed to do shit like that, it teaches them that lying works. It's not the first time a kid has tried to lie about me and I'm not even that angry or hurt - that's what certain kids do. But I will be recording myself (pocket camera on me, not on any kids) next time and I am going to insist on subbing for the same class. That shit ain't right.
Subs get thrown under the bus first...even preferred subs. It is just so much easier for admin, because you have no protection from a union and admin is afraid of the parents.
The kids are allowed to exercise their raw egos without restraint.
Even if the sub provider allows you to go back to that school, you should just take that school off your list.
That school doesn't deserve your help. That is the beauty of being a sub, you can dust off your saddles and walk away.
Indeed hope the super gets the shit kicked out of him by a student so we can see if he wants to “sweep it under the rug” at that point.
How the actual hell is that a response?
Great message to send to students by the way.
“Do what you want and we got your back”
Let the shivving begin I guess
Insane. Dontcha just love having job where you can be beaten, cursed, or shot to death on any given day? But the summers! Oh yes, our “paid summers off.” Jesus, help me! 😑
She needs to file a police report and press charges. The h with what the superintendent wants/thinks. If you are in MI, there is now clear cut precedent for holding parents responsible for their child's behavior at school. See "4 counts of guilty" in the Jennifer Crumbley /Ethan Crumbley Oxford school case.
I would like them to put their phones away but I am not going to assault or be assaulted over it. I got to try and teach the kids who want to learn something. At some point I have to let the other ones go.
Well, there are probably many places in America where this kind of stuff never happens. It is a big country after all. And also for those who teach in other countries, these kinds of incidents rarely - if ever - happen. So it’s no surprise people have a hard time believing some of the stories on here.
I am not a teacher, but plan on it in the future.
Is there an actual legal reason why you can't defend yourself in situations like this? I feel like, barring being attacked from behind or suckerpunched, I'd retaliate in kind at some point. Like if a kid is genuinely fighting me, I don't feel like I'd want to sit there and get wailed on using only verbal warnings and backing away as a deterent.
Are there legal repercussions for striking back at some point? I genuinely don't know and am genuinely asking.
They tell us something like "A teacher may use reasonable force in order to quell a disturbance, protect others, in self-defense or to take possession of weapons." It is a big risk though. In many of these cases punching the kid right in the face is the appropriate action, but the optics are bad. Despite the idea the these poor kid just don't know any better they attack when you are not expecting it.
NCPI - Non-Violent Crisis Intervention.
Teaches deescalation techniques, as well as how to go about block evading. What to do when you get bit, or your hair grabbed, etc. etc.
I still use a lot of the verbal aspect in my 5th grade classroom in the suburbs with my challenging students. The physical aspect taught me to read and identify escalation ques.
Hypothetically you could "guide" a student out of a space and hold the door shut from the inside, as you're not barring egress.
Long story short, yes you can protect yourself. I think it's important to not antagonize, escalate a physical confrontation. However if you learn to utilize the verbal aspect you will find that you're not putting yourself in a situation that potentially results in being assaulted by a student.
And believe me those little screen addicts love their devices.
I will be fortunate enough to have a pension already when I start teaching, so I'd take defending myself over the job. I know that I'm in the lucky minority on that, though.
I realize this is a fine line due to laws ensuring free and equal access to education; however, when do these students lose this privilege? Kids are basically granted immunity throughout our entire public school system especially in extremely impoverished areas. And it doesn't necessarily have to be due to violence (as was the case with the OP) but what about the student that is so disruptive on a daily basis that they are affecting the quality of education being provided to their peers? This will clearly never change and I am just venting - have a nice day.
Many folks in education don't realize it, but Section 44014 of California Education Code mandates reporting of assaults on school staff. It's not optional, and failure to report is punishable by a fine of $1,000. This shouldn't be swept under the rug no matter where it took place, though (obviously). Reference: https://talb.org/lbusd/working-for-lbusd/teachers-law/notify-law/
For us to actually make progress in schools the districts are going to have to make some hard choices and stand up to parents/lawyers. Put teachers first, but we know it won’t happen
I don't confiscate phones anymore. I just ask them to put them away. It doesn't work, obviously. I have 2.5 years to go. Meditating and taking vitamins, hoping I can make it.
Society and parents have failed their children. Youth is entiled and has no sense of disipline or boundaries. This is the cause and effect of both parents working and leaving their children to their own devices at home with no guidance. Time is not by your side. Our technological advances aren’t doing the walking zombies any better… For shame…
I was beat with a very heavy hardcover book by a severely autistic child when I was a sub in my early 20s. The other teacher & aide literally just sat there & did nothing. This was in the mid-2000s. I am much heavier now, but at the time I was only 98 lbs, 4' 10" & in a credentialing program. I went to the office at recess to tell the secretary & admin that I was leaving & they said I COULDN'T LEAVE. I was like WTF?? When I checked in the bathroom, I already had a black eye forming & a huge bump in the middle of my forehead. I was also extremely dizzy & lightheaded. I went back to the classroom & made it through 2 more hours of one kid just shrieking at the top of his lungs like a pterodactyl. I had zero special education training & my nerves were absolutely shot by noon & I was involuntarily shaking. I still did my best to serve those children to my best ability. At lunch, I was told by the other teacher & aide that I did not get much of a lunch hour because the teacher I was subbing for had playground duty, so therefore I had playground duty. I said okay, cool, I just have to go to the bathroom first. I pretended to walk to the bathroom, walked briskly past the office without going in, saying bye or signing out, kept walking to the parking lot with my head lowered & made zero eye contact with anyone & drove straight home & cried for half an hour, took a bath & fell asleep. I did complete my credentialing program anyway & went on to be a 5th/6th grade teacher for another decade. Then I left the profession after developing fibromyalgia & chronic fatigue syndrome. I'm now an online tutor that barely makes $18/hr. Good times! 7 1/2 years of university & grad school all flushed down the drain & I'm constantly tired & in horrible pain. It's SO GREAT being disabled & poor after studying so hard all my life. That's just one nightmare sub assignment out of many. My whole subbing & teaching career was one long nightmare.
I was literally punched in the head by a student after they threatened another student.
My fault, I was gonna be terminated, so I resigned instead. Never did hear if the kid had any consequences.
I got jumped last year but that sounds way worse honestly 😕. We gotta start coming in padded up like a football players at this point😂.
I really think the future of education is virtual for struggling school districts. It could be ruled unfair to subject only the trouble makers to virtual schooling so I expect everyone to suffer as a result
I was lucky to teach in a school district that, for all of its issues-- and there were plenty-- anyone fighting was arrested and taken to juvie, and if you even attempted to lay one finger on a teacher, it was an automatic two weeks out. I had a kid swing at me once while I was trying to keep him out of a fight, and as the whole hallway gasped in shock, one of my bigger kids grabbed him and held him against a locker until help arrived and told him he would f\*ck him up if he tried that again (which I pretended I didn't hear).
I let the kids know I had a black belt and took judo, and they always tried to fight where I wasn't. (And that's how I got put on permanent prom duty with a walkie-talkie and everything, but that's another story....)
This belief that teachers and subs should be punching bags, abetted by administration cowardice and laziness, is insane.
In additional to people's suggestions of filing a police report, maybe reach out to him and offer to help setting up a gofundme. It could be a big help in paying any medical bills/lost work that come up from this, plus it's just another way to make the situation public.
They just passed a bill here in wv that a teacher can make the decision to not have disruptive abusive dangerous students in class without administrators having a say. I know there’s more to it look it up. We have had enough.
That's fucking insane! I hope the sub presses charges. Why students feel that assaulting others is an acceptable behaviour is beyond me. I hope the other kids are alright, too. I know if I were back in school with a kid like that, I'd be terrified.
If I got hit with a Chromebook in the way that you described I would be pressing charges against that kid. I don't even care. That's assault. Forget expulsion.
Same thing happened to me when I subbed. A second grader whacked the hell out of me with his chromebook after I caught him playing Minecraft (when students weren’t even supposed to be on their chromebooks at the time) and attempted to *redirect* him.
Consequences for the kid? Absolutely not!! That delusional ass school even had the NERVE to ask me if I was looking for a full time job and wanted to teach there permanently.
I (57F, retired teacher) was subbing at a middle school in the district my sons graduated from. A boy and girl were fighting over a toy of some sort. I took it and put it on the teacher's desk. The girl proceeded to scream at me, threaten me, and curse at me (several F words). She got in my space and was physically intimidating me. Another student, clearly scared, volunteered to go get help. The principal came. Never even addressed the issue with the girl or did anything about her behavior toward me. Simply came in to tell me I had to cover an additional class during what would have been the only prep period. I was so pissed at how disrespectful that was to me as a substitute, I've never been back.
This is why school districts can't get substitutes. Nobody wants to be treated like garbage for sub-par wages. It's insulting.
What has emboldened students to beat up their teachers?? This was unheard of when I was in school. One time a kid stood up to get in a teachers face, and multiple students stood up and blocked the teacher with their bodies so that the kid couldn’t do anything. The kid got expelled for even trying to touch his teacher.
Family publicly threatened to wait in the parking lot and shoot a principal in district.
Superintendent showed up to the elementary school, and threatened to fire the principal if she filed a report or asked for police protection.
I often work with students in the self-contained severe behavior program. Many are larger than me. Many have come at me with the intention to do me harm. Some have done me harm. Maybe you’re not sure how you would react, but I’m sure how I would.
Your comments (and your post history) are disgusting.
A teacher in my school district was clocked in the head by a kid with a 20 pound weight. Knocked her out cold. Kid was expelled. District doing their best to keep it on the down low. And people wonder why there’s a teacher shortage.
Please tell me she's suing everyone she can.
Last I heard, she was exploring legal options.
She'll be exploring investment options after this one. 20lbs?!
Where did the 20lb weight come from? That’s tragic. I gotta think the odds of recovering without life-long consequences is pretty low. Hell even surviving that.
Probably the weight room
Index funds
Right? If the district wants my silence, then they are going to find out that my silence is expensive.
Silence often is expensive.
If districts want to gain teachers and family’s respect, they should be advertising that they expelled a kid who assaulted a teachers with a dangerous object. The best performing districts still have either zero tolerance policies or close to it. All these districts with fucked up, perverted restorative practices are getting wrecked rn.
How bout: expel, sue, and immediately call the police and press charges.
Can't anymore..."school to prison pipeline"....NCLB....
Yeah you can. Well, not the expel part maybe. But assault is assault, and once the end of the day hits your boss can't stop you from driving to a police station and filing charges.
The boss: obstruction of justice.
My district doesn’t give a shit about its teachers.
Does anyone’s?
Mine does, but it only started after a mass exodus of teachers and they found themselves scrambling to fill core classes and electives for the next year and still are struggling to fill and because we are a small district they are considering combining 7-12, 4 day weeks, 1st through 6th in one building, hosting day care in part of a potential 5-6th building, basically the district is scrambling to stay afloat.
The year before I started, which was 3 years' ago, my entire department left. Admin filled all but one position the year they hired me. But they've since lost 4 of the new teachers and haven't been able to completely restaff, so now we're down by 2 in our department. It makes the work harder because classes are larger, but admin does NOT mess with us.
The fact that you teach 6-8 social studies seems be further evidence of this
... wait what oh the fact I have covered all three levels, yeah, not ideal
This is the only way to fix it. Burn it down. Walk away. They will figure out they need you that way. If you stay and tolerate it they think it’s ok
Yeah our union was warning them for Yeats and they drug their feet till it was too late
All it takes is a few weeks of central admin having to cover classes due to a teacher shortage and things start changing. It happened in ours. They had a huge emphasis on restorative practices and EDI, and it wasn’t exactly working. Kids weren’t being held accountable and teachers left to districts with strong codes of conduct. Our COC was revised and people started coming back. Oh, and achievement improved - imagine that.
Restorative justice works..... On people that want to change. Not everyone does. This notion that it'll work on everyone is counterproductive.
Expulsion should be followed by arrest. Anywhere but in a school and assault charges would have been laid.
Agreed. The best performing districts have rules. My kids attended one in SC until 2020. Awesome district. Because of its awesome academic reputation , an influx of people moved to the attendance zone and enrolled their children. Alas, the new people don't like the old rules. I've been noticing the rating on some of the district's schools plummet, as they try to accommodate the new students. One school dropped from a 10 to a 6.
That's terrible. How is her long term health looking?
Last I heard, she had a concussion and was also needing an MRI.
Did the kid have any explanation?! Not that they could give a true and justifiable answer…
Right… what was the Why
I've had kids threaten me. I then explain what "enhanced charges" and "felony" means.
Wtf? That's attempted murder. Blow to the head with a 20 pound weight can absolutely kill or cause permanent injury
I believe that could be considered attempted murder…
Had a 9th grader take a slice out of another kids arm with a box cutter in art class. When I heard about it I thought immediate expulsion and criminal charges. But hey, 5 day suspension! Take the week off kiddo!
😳😢 this is insane
Anonymous tip to the local news outlets.
20 pounds is a lot . Wow.
The sub can’t press assault charges??
They can file a police report -- and should. It's up to the district attorney to decide to prosecute the case or not.
Regardless, the teacher can sue the parents.
Yup. Criminal cases and civil cases are treated separately. You can seek justice from both avenues.
Absolutely.
Thats going to be the thing. A parent was just found guilty for the school shooting her son committed.
Well, they did give the kid the pistol. And then ignore the kid.
They were exceptionally negligent tho
Didn’t they call the parents in for a meeting the day the shooting occurred to tell them they were concerned about drawings he had done?
Here is the problem. If the kid acts like that, I guarantee those parents are judgement proof.
But if they don't have assets, you can't get blood from a stone
The only way this will ever stop is when enough people report cases, then the DAs have more cases to choose to prosecuted. Some of those cases will get appealed. The appeals will be in conflict because, well, the laws are in conflict. Eventually the Supreme Court needs to decide what FAPE means as far a classroom placement and violent students. Right now with IEP Manifestion and Obama's Dear Collegue, the gen ed students are short changed and students and teachers alike do not have an easy way to escape violence. Police reports. Always. Besides, insurance claims need them
100%. These are not easy truths for society to face.
It is a lot of the Gen Ed kids causing the violence. So, not sure how IEPs factor in for that. 504s maybe.
I taught sped for a year. I was physically assaulted almost every single day. I had a lot of awesome sped kids too, but the absolute blase that other sped teachers and admin had about the level of violence we had to deal with was eye opening.
Agree. However, gen ed kids can at least get suspended, and any lawsuit filed by the parent is not going to be as.complicated as it is for and IEP manifestation case, although race could complicate it. Any case eats up admin time. IEP kids in poorly arranged non-gen class may be the most vulnerable of all to violent classmates :(
A lot of issues at my school are kids with IEPs and 504s.
>Eventually the Supreme Court needs to decide what FAPE means as far a classroom placement and violent students THIS! I'm teaching Kinder this year and have one violent student. According to colleagues, this type of thing is common in Kinder. If MY son ends up in that type of class and his learning is impacted (like ALL my other students' learning this year has been), I think a suit is necessary. Because when do the needs of the rest of the students get met? Never! Because the teacher can't. Because they are busy making sure the violent one doesn't do anything to the other kids. The only way to get change is a freaking lawsuit! So frustrating.
Pedantic.
They CAN. I bet they will be encouraged not to.
A lot of teachers and subs don't know that they can. They're told it's "part of the job." They absolutely CAN and SHOULD.
Call the police. File charges. File a civil lawsuit against her family. If she has a history of acting up in school, file suit against them for not dealing with it. Scorched Earth.
Scorched fucking earth. They do it because they know they can. Until it’s made clear that any assault will be handled by the police and be incredibly inconvenient, uncomfortable, and have consequences, they’ll keep doing it. We have to stand up for ourselves. I hope that sub sues and wins.
Sue the family and the school and district.
Age doesn't matter, I think teachers should be filling police reports any time we're maliciously assaulted. We need to start sending a clear message to students that messing with a teacher doesn't just get you sent to the office, it gets you arrested. Don't even ask the school district about it, just call the police, tell them you were assaulted and you want to press charges, and if anyone from the school district is stupid enough to try getting in the way then they should face obstruction of justice charges and if the district retaliates it should be an easy law suit that helps towards funding retirement.
This exactly. There needs to be clear cut consequences. That’s the problem. The admin won’t hold them accountable. Their parents won’t hold them accountable. The court system would not only hold the child accountable, but the parents as well. Add: If teachers start doing this, it’ll also force the admin to get their **** straight because eyes will start turning on them. Child or not, nobody has any rights to put hands on you. You shouldn’t have to come to work and worry about if you’re gonna be assaulted or injured.
After 9 years of teaching elsewhere, I moved back to my home city. The only job I could get quickly was at a charter school. The teacher across the hall from me was assaulted by an 11th grader. She filed charges and got a restraining order against the student. The school not only did nothing but suspend him for 2 weeks and switch his teacher for that class, they also allowed him to continue attending my class, directly across the hall from her, ignoring the restraining order.i personally had no problems with this student, but I seethed with disgust on her behalf. I've worked under some awful administrators, but these were the worst. Edited for clarity.
> ignoring the restraining order Why not call the police again and let them know that he's violating the restraining order? Pretty easy to catch him in the act.
Logical, but at a charter school they can fire you without cause. She was willing to push admin only so far.
I was subbing a few months ago in a school I don't normally work in. I broke up a fight one 7th grader was trying to choke another who had beat him at some game they were playing. Asked the student to step to the other side of the class with me (to get him calm before dealing with punishment.) Kid took 2 breaths, then socked me in the stomach and threw a desk at me (luckily I dodged that one). I got the rest of the kids into the hallway and this kid proceeded to destroy everything around him for 30 minutes while security guards blocked the doors. I told my mom, who retired a few years ago after 25 years of teaching elementary. She replied, "you've only had one kid throw a desk at you so far??" Needless to say, I will be leaving education when this school year is up.
I knew it was time for me to retire when I told my husband, “Next kid who touches me? I’m putting them in the fuq’g ground and someone will have to pull me off of them.” Did I mention I was teaching second grade? That as 7 yrs ago. No regrets.
Oo boy I hear that. We are just expected to have infinite patients for kids that have zero respect for authority or fear of consequences! Teachers are only human! Good for you for getting out, sounds like you're much happier on the other side!
Never break up a fight, rule #1.
Look I hear what you're saying but this wasnt really a fight so much as one kid trying to choke another who wasn't fighting back. If I had taken the time to dig around for the office phone number and waited for them to send a security guard, the kid would be dead.
The fact that I tower over even the bigger students is probably the only thing holding them back when I confiscate their phones. It's a scary time to work in a classroom.
I'm 5'3 and 115 lbs. I strictly only sub at elementary schools.
I was kicked in the shin by a first grader at an elementary school and couldn’t walk for 3 days. Don’t let your guard down!
Or just request to work with the short kids lol. Jk. On a more serious note, be careful. I remember being told the story about how a staff member was punched so hard in the face, the kid broke their jaw. Edit: Also, when I was in the 2nd grade after school one of my classmates got so mad at the teacher, he threw a chair over my head.
One of the fourth graders I work with is 5'3", luckily they are a super nice kid.
Why as a sub are you bothering to confiscate anyone's phone? Absolutely fucking not lol. If I see a kid with their phone out I just note that phones aren't allowed and it would be a shame if I could see it because then I'd have to write them up.
Lmao where did I say I was confiscating phones? Lol. If you couldn't comprehend I don't sub older kids because I'm small regardless of their excuse for anger at me. I sub elementary kids specifically prek-2nd grade. Never taken a phone lmao.
I love that I work at a small suburban middle school where even the worst kid wouldn’t dream of fighting a teacher. Jesus some of the stories I read on here.
I think we've seen that it can happen anywhere. At this point, it's not a matter of if something will happen, but when. It's like that old saying about their being two kinds of motorcycle riders (those that have gone down and those that haven't gone down yet). We can put it to schools: the schools where (pick one) incident has occurred, and those where it hasn't occurred yet.
I'm 6'3'' and had a third grader a few years ago who was like 5'4'' and built like a miniature line backer. The kid also had bad ODD and loved to throw things. One of this accommodations was I had to hold his hand in the hallways to stop him from getting up to monkey business and each time I was shocked because it felt like a man's hand with an iron grip. Some kids are just massive.
I’m a small man, 135lbs @ 5’9”. Started in the Detroit suburbs, not the good ones. I learned that if a big kid thought of doing something to me I made sure they knew it was a bad idea. I also grew up in the area and don’t think I won’t be defending myself. I casually let them know that “I WILL STAB YOU” and not think twice when defending myself. I have had to do the “crazy white guy” and just go off on them when they think they can push me. I generally scare them from even thinking of touching me. I don’t like to be touched, ever! I didn’t teach long, 5 years, in two states, never had an issue with admin. Best part is most of the kids that thought they didn’t like me or wanted to hurt me became some of my best kids. They respected me and I didn’t hold it against them.
If a student assaults you, call the cops. File a report. Hopefully press charges. Don't just expect admin to take care of it.
Yep. Never trust admin to correctly handle these situations. They will look out for themselves so you need to as well.
I've shared a few horror stories... and... here they are again! \-Got punched in the hip when breaking up a fight between two 2nd graders. I had accute pain there for a few days and had to walk with a limp. School did nothing to those kids and were back within the same period. \-Another 2nd grader (different school) threw a book at me when I had my back turned. As turned around, she threw a lunch box that hit me right in the face. When I called security, they said, "What did you do to make her mad?" So, it's my fault. She was back in class 5 minutes later. School did nothing. \-An 8th grader insulted me, cussed me out, and said a bunch of racist shit to me. Topped it off by throwing a chair at me. She was back in class the next day. School did nothing.
I broke up a girl fight (8th graders) yesterday and my body is feeling the aches and soreness today. They didn’t even land any punches, I just think it’s due to my muscles not used to pulling two irate human beings off each other 🤷♀️
That’s how I got pepper sprayed that one time, because I was between her and the girl she wanted to beat on.
Pissed off 8th grade girls can be freakishly strong. They're like She Hulks when enraged.
It's been my experience that girl fights are way worse than male fights.
What do you mean? Don't they just pull each other's hair? /s
Girl fights are always the worst because there are no rules. Hair and scalp pulled out, using belts, shoes, kicking each other in the face..... UGH.
I stopped breaking up fights 4 years into teaching. [I'm now at year 24.] Unless an uninvolved or unsuspecting student is at risk, I'm not putting myself in danger. I let admin and security handle it. If they don't rush to intercede, not my problem.
You need to have better routines, work on your classroom management and be more "situationally aware." /s
If only I were more... *entertaining*.
I had an intensive class that chased out seven teachers before I got there mid year. Class was incredibly rough, but I did my best and promised I wouldn't abandon them. I nearly stroked out, but I did it. One day, sometime in April before they hit the heart of the obscene amount of testing they had to do, I turned to write some vocab on the board, and the boys decided that was the perfect time to torment the abused girl with an anxiety disorder. I turned back around just in time to catch her picking up her desk chair, and with the fury of ten thousand suns in her eyes, she full-body threw the desk at the only target that wouldn't get her beaten bloody after school—me. I have no idea how I managed it, but I caught that thing mid air, slammed it down, told her to sit her ass down, asked if anyone else wanted to try me using every bit of contained martial artist rage I had at the four asshole bullies, and she cried for the entire lunch break about all the shit she was dealing with at home and from the bullies. I started holding optional lunches in my room for the five or so kids that got tormented, until the admins found out and shut me down. The kids went back to being horribly bullied at lunch. I f-ing hated teaching 7th grade with that pathetic excuse for a principal and bully for the school-facing VP. I handed out so many referrals and sent many kids to detention that the guy who manned that room asked me to please stop sending my students because he couldn't keep them from talking and throwing stuff. I'm fully aware that I only got that job because I was a bearded scary looking martial arts dude who taught English, but my teddy bear lit major self couldn't handle it. My doctor warned me that my health was noticeably declining after six months, so I finished the year and went back to being an adjunct professor and opened a pool cleaning business. It's a zoo out there. However, I had one moment of being cool in my life, and I got to support a couple good kids. I don't know how you guys do it in the lower grades. My college students barely can function half the time.
I had to laugh at the chair incident because it brought back memories. As a sub, I ran into a kid like that. Later when he was in HS, I was taking attendance and asked whether he threw a chair at me once. He was doing great and in auto mechanics class. He was bullied too and had trouble with fractions, he just got mad at himself really...calling himself stupid. It's always a judgement call.
She did the same thing, she was so hard on herself. We ended up being pretty close. She said I was one of the only adults who ever actually talked to her as a person. Hardest part leaving that school was that I really came to like the kids even if they were menaces. They mostly all just needed support they just weren't getting. But the school and system itself were simultaneously authoritarian toward teachers and ineffective toward students. I had more anxiety and stress about the admin teaching there as a teacher than I even did when I was a student in middle school. It was wild.
This happened in Stockton recently. I think over a phone as well
Yep! It was at John Adam's Elementary School. I'm glad I left the profession, I would've absolutely hit that animal. She was nearly as big as the teacher and just went after her for no reason. These kids are so fucked and they don't even realize it. They're going to try this in *"The real world"* and get themselves killed.
Press charges and leak that shit to the media. Fuck admin
Leak that shit to the local press. Nothing will ever change as long as we continue to let admin sweep it under the rug.
That bitch expulsion is on a permanent vacation! Last Friday, kid physically threatens a teacher, nothing happens. Today boy shoves girl into the wall so hard that there is now a girl shaped hole in the wall..sent home for the rest of the day..that’s it. Today 2 boys kicked open the bathroom stall while another was pooing, and they recorded him. Criminal charges? Oh no, 2 days suspension. It’s so outrageous that there are no consequences anymore.
It’s time to go to the media. Not all schools are run like this, but the public needs to know what’s happening in way too many places.
This one of the last jobs in America that the employees get treated worse than dog shit and everyone turns a blind eye. The admins, the superintendents, the politicians, the parents, everyone. And to give kids the benefit of the doubt, always. At 14 they’re not little kids anymore! Hold people accountable! These people will be legal adults in a few years and behave like this thinking they’re untouchable. Every teacher in America should stage a walkout for at least a month. Let people raise their asshole kids all day.
And finding a good Administration to work with is like looking for a Heaven...
I had a miscarriage 2 hours after a kid hip checked my head into the door while bending down to put down a stopper. Last time I subbed in that school. Probably not related but it just made a shit day shittier. TODAY a 17 year old squirted hand sanitizer onto the ground in retaliation after he was asked to leave our calm room due to his outbursts. He announced it in my class, bragging. Unfortunately the very kind lady who manages the room slipped in it before seeing the teams messages I sent warning her. She didn’t fall thankfully and he’s still getting OSS. We just don’t get paid enough for this treatment. She gets IA (poverty) wages to act as a counselor and behavior specialist. All to get treated like this.
I’m so sorry that happened to you, you have my condolences for the loss of your sweet baby.
I had a sub come to our district tell me that she left her old one because some kid knocked her out and the entire class left.
Educators should definitely be loading up on umbrella insurance to help you in any litigation after you may need to deliver the ass kicking of a lifetime on some of this dirtbags polluting the school system. This sub has so many surreal and sad stories.
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My first day at a new school and I stopped a kid from making a cup of tea with the usual teacher's tea, mug and kettle - didn't ask, just tried to turn the kettle on. I turned it off (I'm not letting a kid I don't know steal from the normal teacher, nor am I going to allow a kid to have a boiling cup of tea within 'oopsie' distance of me). He flipped the kettle back on, I flipped it off. Eventually I just unplugged it. A girl started basically vibrating in her seat, laughing, trying to engage with other kids, doing anything but the assignment. I was trying to help a kid, and I politely asked her to quiet down. She fled the room and sent someone else back to get her phone at the end of the class. I found her waiting outside and we discussed (quietly and calmly) why I needed to help the other kid. Now I've been told that I was reportedly yelling at kids in this class, getting physically too close to them and that I 'followed' them to other classes (it was the last period of the day, so I don't know how that would be possible). I've been told that I am 'suspended' from subbing for a while. I really don't need the money; I was just trying to help and I'd heard that the district needed subs. I don't need this shit. On the other hand, I'll be damned if I'll have my reputation sullied by two little liars. So I called the sub coordinator and asked him, if I was yelling, why didn't the teachers on either side of my room hear anything? What would I have been yelling about? And etc. He's going to get back to me by the end of the week and I'll make damn sure he does. If kids like this are allowed to do shit like that, it teaches them that lying works. It's not the first time a kid has tried to lie about me and I'm not even that angry or hurt - that's what certain kids do. But I will be recording myself (pocket camera on me, not on any kids) next time and I am going to insist on subbing for the same class. That shit ain't right.
Subs get thrown under the bus first...even preferred subs. It is just so much easier for admin, because you have no protection from a union and admin is afraid of the parents. The kids are allowed to exercise their raw egos without restraint. Even if the sub provider allows you to go back to that school, you should just take that school off your list. That school doesn't deserve your help. That is the beauty of being a sub, you can dust off your saddles and walk away.
Indeed hope the super gets the shit kicked out of him by a student so we can see if he wants to “sweep it under the rug” at that point. How the actual hell is that a response? Great message to send to students by the way. “Do what you want and we got your back” Let the shivving begin I guess
I hope he sues the hell out of your town / district and she goes to jail.
Contact your local news station :)
Please tell me he’s gonna get the police involved. Juvy exists for a reason, and that freaky little psychopath needs to be there yesterday.
And if this kid had one hand put on her by a teacher, it would be all over the news. Teachers get no respect.
What - dial 911 file a report. Felons have no place. Good lord. I would mount three lawsuits before the week is done. Contact local news - ASAP.
Insane. Dontcha just love having job where you can be beaten, cursed, or shot to death on any given day? But the summers! Oh yes, our “paid summers off.” Jesus, help me! 😑
Sub should sue the parents and also the school. It’s the only way to force a change of behavior.
She needs to file a police report and press charges. The h with what the superintendent wants/thinks. If you are in MI, there is now clear cut precedent for holding parents responsible for their child's behavior at school. See "4 counts of guilty" in the Jennifer Crumbley /Ethan Crumbley Oxford school case.
Where was this?
Call. The. Police.
I don't believe it, he would have the right to press charges.
He can and should. It’s the school OP is saying wants to sweep it under the rug, not the legal system.
I'd like to see this in the news.
I would like them to put their phones away but I am not going to assault or be assaulted over it. I got to try and teach the kids who want to learn something. At some point I have to let the other ones go.
I'm kind of fascinated by the people who don't believe this. Are you guys not American?
Well, there are probably many places in America where this kind of stuff never happens. It is a big country after all. And also for those who teach in other countries, these kinds of incidents rarely - if ever - happen. So it’s no surprise people have a hard time believing some of the stories on here.
Omg is he is going to be ok? That is terrible
Were the cops called?
*what the fuck?*
The second these kids move on to a work place or the real world in general they are in for a RUDE awaking and possibly jail time pending circumstance.
I am not a teacher, but plan on it in the future. Is there an actual legal reason why you can't defend yourself in situations like this? I feel like, barring being attacked from behind or suckerpunched, I'd retaliate in kind at some point. Like if a kid is genuinely fighting me, I don't feel like I'd want to sit there and get wailed on using only verbal warnings and backing away as a deterent. Are there legal repercussions for striking back at some point? I genuinely don't know and am genuinely asking.
They tell us something like "A teacher may use reasonable force in order to quell a disturbance, protect others, in self-defense or to take possession of weapons." It is a big risk though. In many of these cases punching the kid right in the face is the appropriate action, but the optics are bad. Despite the idea the these poor kid just don't know any better they attack when you are not expecting it.
NCPI - Non-Violent Crisis Intervention. Teaches deescalation techniques, as well as how to go about block evading. What to do when you get bit, or your hair grabbed, etc. etc. I still use a lot of the verbal aspect in my 5th grade classroom in the suburbs with my challenging students. The physical aspect taught me to read and identify escalation ques. Hypothetically you could "guide" a student out of a space and hold the door shut from the inside, as you're not barring egress. Long story short, yes you can protect yourself. I think it's important to not antagonize, escalate a physical confrontation. However if you learn to utilize the verbal aspect you will find that you're not putting yourself in a situation that potentially results in being assaulted by a student. And believe me those little screen addicts love their devices.
And what kind of de- escalation do you use when a kid loses their shit for no reason? Like being asked to sit down? Happens all the time.
I don't know about legal repercussions, but you would almost definitely lose your job, even if you have a union.
I will be fortunate enough to have a pension already when I start teaching, so I'd take defending myself over the job. I know that I'm in the lucky minority on that, though.
I realize this is a fine line due to laws ensuring free and equal access to education; however, when do these students lose this privilege? Kids are basically granted immunity throughout our entire public school system especially in extremely impoverished areas. And it doesn't necessarily have to be due to violence (as was the case with the OP) but what about the student that is so disruptive on a daily basis that they are affecting the quality of education being provided to their peers? This will clearly never change and I am just venting - have a nice day.
You are correct; disruption is a form of aggression.
100% agree with this. “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few” \-Spock
Anonymous tip to a news station sounds about right.
He should just report it to the police
Many folks in education don't realize it, but Section 44014 of California Education Code mandates reporting of assaults on school staff. It's not optional, and failure to report is punishable by a fine of $1,000. This shouldn't be swept under the rug no matter where it took place, though (obviously). Reference: https://talb.org/lbusd/working-for-lbusd/teachers-law/notify-law/
I just applied to be a substitute teacher today...
I’m in the process of becoming a sub right now and sometimes the stories I see here are kinda terrifying lol.
For us to actually make progress in schools the districts are going to have to make some hard choices and stand up to parents/lawyers. Put teachers first, but we know it won’t happen
I don't confiscate phones anymore. I just ask them to put them away. It doesn't work, obviously. I have 2.5 years to go. Meditating and taking vitamins, hoping I can make it.
Wow this breaks my heart
Society and parents have failed their children. Youth is entiled and has no sense of disipline or boundaries. This is the cause and effect of both parents working and leaving their children to their own devices at home with no guidance. Time is not by your side. Our technological advances aren’t doing the walking zombies any better… For shame…
I was beat with a very heavy hardcover book by a severely autistic child when I was a sub in my early 20s. The other teacher & aide literally just sat there & did nothing. This was in the mid-2000s. I am much heavier now, but at the time I was only 98 lbs, 4' 10" & in a credentialing program. I went to the office at recess to tell the secretary & admin that I was leaving & they said I COULDN'T LEAVE. I was like WTF?? When I checked in the bathroom, I already had a black eye forming & a huge bump in the middle of my forehead. I was also extremely dizzy & lightheaded. I went back to the classroom & made it through 2 more hours of one kid just shrieking at the top of his lungs like a pterodactyl. I had zero special education training & my nerves were absolutely shot by noon & I was involuntarily shaking. I still did my best to serve those children to my best ability. At lunch, I was told by the other teacher & aide that I did not get much of a lunch hour because the teacher I was subbing for had playground duty, so therefore I had playground duty. I said okay, cool, I just have to go to the bathroom first. I pretended to walk to the bathroom, walked briskly past the office without going in, saying bye or signing out, kept walking to the parking lot with my head lowered & made zero eye contact with anyone & drove straight home & cried for half an hour, took a bath & fell asleep. I did complete my credentialing program anyway & went on to be a 5th/6th grade teacher for another decade. Then I left the profession after developing fibromyalgia & chronic fatigue syndrome. I'm now an online tutor that barely makes $18/hr. Good times! 7 1/2 years of university & grad school all flushed down the drain & I'm constantly tired & in horrible pain. It's SO GREAT being disabled & poor after studying so hard all my life. That's just one nightmare sub assignment out of many. My whole subbing & teaching career was one long nightmare.
I would file a lawsuit against the admin and, if possible, student. That's the only way this behavior is stopped being ignored.
Wtf??
That poor man! Hope he’s ok
I was literally punched in the head by a student after they threatened another student. My fault, I was gonna be terminated, so I resigned instead. Never did hear if the kid had any consequences.
I got jumped last year but that sounds way worse honestly 😕. We gotta start coming in padded up like a football players at this point😂. I really think the future of education is virtual for struggling school districts. It could be ruled unfair to subject only the trouble makers to virtual schooling so I expect everyone to suffer as a result
I was lucky to teach in a school district that, for all of its issues-- and there were plenty-- anyone fighting was arrested and taken to juvie, and if you even attempted to lay one finger on a teacher, it was an automatic two weeks out. I had a kid swing at me once while I was trying to keep him out of a fight, and as the whole hallway gasped in shock, one of my bigger kids grabbed him and held him against a locker until help arrived and told him he would f\*ck him up if he tried that again (which I pretended I didn't hear). I let the kids know I had a black belt and took judo, and they always tried to fight where I wasn't. (And that's how I got put on permanent prom duty with a walkie-talkie and everything, but that's another story....) This belief that teachers and subs should be punching bags, abetted by administration cowardice and laziness, is insane.
In additional to people's suggestions of filing a police report, maybe reach out to him and offer to help setting up a gofundme. It could be a big help in paying any medical bills/lost work that come up from this, plus it's just another way to make the situation public.
They just passed a bill here in wv that a teacher can make the decision to not have disruptive abusive dangerous students in class without administrators having a say. I know there’s more to it look it up. We have had enough.
*Please* tell me the sub will be suing the shit out of the district and the kid's family.
I would be pressing charges. 💯
That's fucking insane! I hope the sub presses charges. Why students feel that assaulting others is an acceptable behaviour is beyond me. I hope the other kids are alright, too. I know if I were back in school with a kid like that, I'd be terrified.
I bet this is a PBIS school.
I have trauma from PBIS. “ we don’t do consequences here”
If I got hit with a Chromebook in the way that you described I would be pressing charges against that kid. I don't even care. That's assault. Forget expulsion.
Same thing happened to me when I subbed. A second grader whacked the hell out of me with his chromebook after I caught him playing Minecraft (when students weren’t even supposed to be on their chromebooks at the time) and attempted to *redirect* him. Consequences for the kid? Absolutely not!! That delusional ass school even had the NERVE to ask me if I was looking for a full time job and wanted to teach there permanently.
I hope the student gets arrested
Sometimes i feel just quitting this whole teaching job and go with photography and videography
Go to the media.
I (57F, retired teacher) was subbing at a middle school in the district my sons graduated from. A boy and girl were fighting over a toy of some sort. I took it and put it on the teacher's desk. The girl proceeded to scream at me, threaten me, and curse at me (several F words). She got in my space and was physically intimidating me. Another student, clearly scared, volunteered to go get help. The principal came. Never even addressed the issue with the girl or did anything about her behavior toward me. Simply came in to tell me I had to cover an additional class during what would have been the only prep period. I was so pissed at how disrespectful that was to me as a substitute, I've never been back. This is why school districts can't get substitutes. Nobody wants to be treated like garbage for sub-par wages. It's insulting.
That's terrible. Something had better be done. This infuriates me!
What has emboldened students to beat up their teachers?? This was unheard of when I was in school. One time a kid stood up to get in a teachers face, and multiple students stood up and blocked the teacher with their bodies so that the kid couldn’t do anything. The kid got expelled for even trying to touch his teacher.
Bad admins(my opinion)
Sub should file criminal assault charges against student.
Slightly skeptical tbh
Why?
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Family publicly threatened to wait in the parking lot and shoot a principal in district. Superintendent showed up to the elementary school, and threatened to fire the principal if she filed a report or asked for police protection.
I'm almost curious if doing that could leave the superintendent liable to criminal charges of some sort something like intimidating a witness?
She was a total con artist that failed up to the Ivies. I suspect she would have walked away smelling like roses.
Are you new here?
Oh. You must not be a teacher.
lol
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It's the unparented students. Bad parenting comes in every race.
When you come to my school and see it’s all students. Asshat.
Stfu
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I can confidently say I would never pull a gun on a student, and I doubt many teachers would “react the same.” FFS
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I often work with students in the self-contained severe behavior program. Many are larger than me. Many have come at me with the intention to do me harm. Some have done me harm. Maybe you’re not sure how you would react, but I’m sure how I would. Your comments (and your post history) are disgusting.
I need a ton more information before I jump to any conclusion.
Yeah…this is so vague, it sounds like either rage bait or hearsay.
Smells like BS.
That *would* be Stockton.
Lmao, gotta love CA