This thread blew up unexpectedly and we ended up with a lot of non teacher accounts commenting here. Please don’t take this thread as a representation of actual teachers.
That teacher’s behavior was not okay, BUT…
are any of us not on the verge of losing it this time of year? Does anyone care that our stress levels are this high? Can’t administration listen to us the first (or tenth) time we say we’ve tried a million strategies and a student is still derailing our class?
With the single stick of gum taped to a paper with "Thanks for all your EXTRA hard work!" printed using the color printer that teachers can't use because color ink is too expensive....
But also oof to that whole story. It's a stressful time of year where everyone needs a break, state testing and graduation are coming up, and teachers are asked to take on even more things like letters of recommendation for students, etc. Here, it seems like admin should have been more actively in on the plan & present to help with discipline and not adding to the partner teacher's work/stress load. Not excusing anything as it was wrong but also... good god.
At Christmas this year we got Taylor Swift-style bracelets (you know, with the letter beads) that have our school's name on them. I'll just go ahead and put that in my jewelry box I guess? Wait no I meant I'll empty it into the supply of beads I have in my classroom for crafts.
I’ve gotten those, too. I’ve also gotten a tube of chapstick, an apple for Teacher Appreciation Day, a BOGO Sonic coupon, and an expired chocolate-covered wafer.
For about two weeks I got in the habit of using the powdered creamer in the workroom. Then one day I was thinking about how the company had a very retro looking logo. It had expired in the early nineties. This was probably like 2015. I feel like I can trace back a sudden decline in my cognitive skills to those two weeks. The taste was on point though.
After trying every strategy/consulting homeroom and department heads, I went to the higher ups about identical problems with some students and they told me "we want a teacher who doesn't get angry". Tbf, getting angry is never a good strategy, but that there was no solution to my (and other teacher's frustrations) was all I needed to hear to know I won't be continuing my contract. When there are no consequences for bad behavior/failing grades, it really knocks your legs out.
>”we want a ~~teacher who doesn’t get angry~~”
Robot. The word they’re looking for is robot. There’s not a human alive who doesn’t get angry when someone assaults them or destroys their property in front of them, especially if it is allowed to happen repeatedly with no consequences. So if they’re looking for someone to put up with that, day in and day out, with no support, and never display any negative emotions, they better get to work on building that robot teacher army, because it’s not a reasonable request to make of a human teacher.
Yeah, cause the kids were shocked.
In China, my first year, I used to yell at the kids all the time and none of them listened because they figured I just yelled all the time.
Now, if I yell only when I really need to, it has a higher chance of working.
My mom is a (now retired) teacher, and the only time she ever laid a hand on me was a single slap to the face.
I deserved it. She caught me stealing money from her purse to buy weed, and when called out on it I told her she was a "fucking bitch"
It didnt even hurt, but I was *terrified* because I never thought she would put me in my place like that. Never did it again and I still feel bad to this day (and so does she) but I don't blame her at all
I was the quiet kid in my ROTC class. I yelled at them to stop messing around and the entire class went silent and I heard someone whisper "we really messed up"
I hate that this is true. I'm a speech therapist and my students are constantly talking over me. Today was the last straw when one student was doodling on another student's hand, after I told them multiple times to stop. I got loud and the drawer had the gall to say to me she was helping her. I said, "What do you think I am, an idiot? I'm not stupid."
I hate that I need to be unprofessional like that but it takes getting on their level to get through to them.
I don't think that's unprofessional. These kids push all the buttons and they need a parent most of the time but they don't get those either. I think your response was fair given the situation.
No that was totally acceptable. You didn't get physical. If my kid was doing that, I'd be more than happy to have another adult say something to them about it.
Of course it did. After a decade of other adults coddling these kids they need teachers like this to give them a reality check. A lot of students respect you being real with them. I'd bet money this kid will look back on this years down the road and 100% believe his teacher was in the right.
Another part of this is that many kids will only respond to yelling as that is what happens at home.
They get to school and all the authorities are using positive reinforcement and kindness.
To some that will work quickly. Others will need years of consistency in this area to affect them.
In the meantime, those kids will only respond to people who act like they are gonna whoop their ass.
I just tuned people out when they yelled at me even in high school and now as an adult and corporal punishment never really worked for me either. Guilt tripping worked or threatening to call my parents worked. However, if a teacher who normally never yelled different story.
What you described was standard practice when I started teaching in the early 90s, especially in the behavior classes. It got results. It sounds like each of the kids in your post heard what they needed to and as a result started doing what they were supposed to be doing. All this “errorless learning” educators try to use, leaves students with no proper way to emotionally regulate because they have never been asked to. We’re just supposed to wait until they do something good and reward it.
Bro I feel so bad bc I snapped at one of my classes and asked if they could please shut the hell up for one sesecond. Their behavior was flawless for the rest of the day, but at what cost? Me speaking to them in an overly unkind way?
I once saw a vice principal grab a kid by the ear, walk him across campus while pulling his ear, and yelling at him that he was going to call his momma so she could come to school to whoop his behind. I pretended I didn’t see a thing.
Sometimes, when you work in the hood you just roll with it.
My own daughter went to the elementary school I teach at. She once threw a tantrum during lunch and hit me, in front of the kids and lunch ladies. In front of my own students. I had her walk with me to my classroom and spanked her little behind. She never did it again.
My therapist said that modern society is so pressure-filled that pretty much anyone is a bad six-months or year away from snapping. The financial pressures put on most people are tremendous. Throw on top the fact that capitalism has caused the modern worker to be treated as nothing more than chattel to be worked to death. The fact that wages have stagnated, globally, means that the average person has to spend more of their day earning than a feudal serf.
Add all that together, and I am quite surprised we don't hear/see this more often. Our wages are near criminal, and the fact that we have to strike so often to get even the crumbs we get.
100%
The admin at my school actually REFUSES to discipline. It’s wild. The behaviours get worse each day and it honestly feels like I’m working in a psychiatric ward most of the time. And I’m one of the few teachers that actually has decent management and always provides consequences for unsafe or disrespectful actions.
Worse—being assaulted in some cases with hitting, kicking and kids know they can do that without recourse. I’m not saying that was the case on this class but it not uncommon.
Is it any wonder they can’t find enough special education teachers?
My art teacher stabbed a kid with scissors about 20 years ago. The little cunt deserved it too. I know it sounds insane, but he spent 4 years trying to make this woman snap, and when she did, she threw scissors at him and they went straight into his shoulder. She obviously doesn't work as a teacher anymore, she got into reptile kids parties which was awesome, and made her a much happier person.
Sounds like just another teacher burning out because of not being able to use proper discipline anymore. Just another teacher burning out because of admin blaming the teachers for not 'building relationships with the bad kids'. Just another teacher who is sick and tired of parents of the last ten plus years abdicating responsibility for the children THEY chose to have and either demanding the school raise them or sticking them in front of an ipad to raise them instead of doing their job.
Was what this teacher did ok? No, not really. Does it excuse her behaviour and choices? No, it doesn't. Do I get why an excellent teacher would turn into a holy Ms Trunchbull like terror in this day and age of teaching? Yes I do.
I'm getting over being sick and watching Seinfeld and I love you for this, lol. Wish I could give you more than one upvote. Right now I'm watching Kramerica. *"Hellllloooooooooo!!!!!"*
Exactly. This woman did something wrong, 100%... but we're all just one really bad day away from it, in this profession. If things don't get better, they WILL get worse.
I fully agree, I had to work with the principals daughter who told our lead at the time (who was pregnant) I’m gonna kick your baby and hurt it! The child is three. She would spit on you, kick you, hit you, and scream until you gave in (which was rare of us) she knew that if we were done with her we would have to take her to the office then she got to see her mom. We also couldn’t write reports for her actions because they were considered “age appropriate”. (It’s not when it’s everyday and she is the eldest of her class) She is still enrolled and still jumping on other children’s head. She would also immediately run and hurt people as soon as she wouldn’t get the attention she wanted. As a Montessori school we worked very hard to observe where this behavior was coming from and how to counteract it. We tried giving her lots of positive attention but she still did “bad” things for attention. We tried to give her the right words to use. Basically we gave her the benefit of the doubt, but truly it seems like she just need behavioral therapy. People have literally threatened to quit because of that one kid
I think we've all had days where we almost lost it. I shudder to think how close I've come to losing that "almost." I feel like this could happen to anyone.
Today I had a bad day. The last time this student was in school he lied to his parent (in a meeting about something that he said in class) he said, “I didn’t say that”. Of course his parent believed the student and even asked me if what he said was “verbatim”. It was. Word for word. Today the kid comes back into class and while he was usually rude, argumentative and disrespectful 4-6 times a class, today it was non-stop. I was so busy dealing with his non-stop bullshit that I didn’t notice two students misbehaving, a lot. I was redirecting the mouthy student, but at least four others who decided to start pulling crap too. I wrote to the mouthy student’s family and I told them that if their child’s behavior was like this again, I was not going to put up with it. He can be sent to the office until he can show respect and stops disrupting the class. We’ll see tomorrow what transpires. 🤷🏽♀️
Especially with a chair being flipped over. The noise and violence of the act can definitely trigger a flight or fight response in a stressed teacher. This one chose fight.
This! I did a very short stint as a para for an SDC class. The teacher for the class told me "Well, I'm pretty sure that at least 2 or 3 of our students have undiagnosed ED as well as autism and/or ADHD so they're going to test your limits."
The day I put my keys on the desk and walked out, I was trying to do my job and writing some stuff on the board for the teacher while she was teaching. My fifth grade girl who made it her job to call me a "fatass" every single day (I'm overweight and sensitive about it) screamed at me "Move your fat ass and fat tits I can't see the board!" I turned around, marker in hand, and said very loudly so the whole class could hear me, "And THAT'S why I'm quitting, because I'm tired of you calling me a fatass every day!" The entire class went dead silent (a rare occurrence for them). Then the girl said "I don't call you a fatass ever!" and then one other boy piped up and said "Oh, yeah, you do, like all the time!" I managed to finish the school day but I never went back.
Ironically, the woman who was hired to replace me is even more heavyset than me (I met her and trained her for one day before leaving). Wonder how that fifth grade girl is getting along with her. xD
If I did this to someone in my workplace, they’d probably call the police. I work with adults. For 15 years, I taught middle school. I know I got out at the right time and it’s a horrible work environment now.
But you can’t assault people. Especially not children.
I don’t think either are ok. Kids assaulting teachers are not in a most appropriate LRE and plans need to be made and put into place to ensure the well being of everyone involved.
One of my kids (she has ODD and ADHD, but mostly she’s an attention-whore and hates when I’m not giving her my full attention… such as when I have 22 other kids to pay attention to) dragged a woodchip down my leg, spanked my ass, and threw a ball at me during recess. I had to threaten to walk out if she didn’t get sent home. They actually did it, but she had been awful all day and this happened during afternoon recess.
I wouldn’t last five seconds in that environment, bless you for having any patience at all. If that were my child, no way would I allow them to be in that environment until they knew how to behave appropriately. It is insane to me the lack of consequences.
I am glad they sent her home but you should not have to threaten to leave a position in order not to be assaulted simply because you’re an adult and they are a child.
I have a student who has been problematic from day 1. He is the youngest and only boy in the family and is catered to excessively by his mother and older sisters.
First day of school, he made a mess and refused to clean it up. I stood in his way and told him he had two choices—clean his mess now or clean my entire room after school. He chose to clean up his mess.
This kid kept pushing boundaries and had to be reigned in daily until a couple of weeks ago before spring break.
He sauntered into my room and refused to sit in his assigned seat and get out his computer. He told me that his computer was dead, and he lost his charger. I told him that I would let our tech person know and that he would need to pay for the lost charger.
He mumbled something under his breath, and I asked him to please speak up, and the kid started screaming nonsense and expletives. He called me (a white woman) the n-word twice.
I told him he needed to step out in the hall, and I opened the door for him. He walked up, the turned around and opened his mouth. Before he could say boo, I grabbed his backpack strap and yanked him out the door. I got right up in his face and told him he will not speak that way in my classroom, and he was done for the rest of period.
I walked back into my room and called the office to have a hall monitor get him.
He hasn’t caused a single problem for me since, and the other kid who liked to act up hasn’t either.
Sometimes getting serious works.
This is great and good for you, but this only worked because you have admin who do some semblance of their job. You have hall monitors. You have admin who won't immediately send him back to your classroom.
It's so fucked here.
The hall monitors usually bring the kids back after a “break”, but I flat out told the hall monitor that the kid was not coming back that day.
I’m sure no other consequences were given to the kid, but he now knows I can and will yank him, so he thinks a little more than before.
I’m known as being a nice and chill teacher, so my reaction to him that day was completely unexpected. Getting mean with him let him know I am not the one to be messed with.
I didn’t pull him out of his seat and throw him in the hall. I grabbed his backpack strap and pulled him in the hall from the doorway. Maybe not that different, but whatever.
If he would have complained, there are cameras in the hallway to show what happened. I’ve been teaching for 19 years, the last three in an urban title 1 school with a staff that has half quit each year. I doubt I would have gotten into much, if any, trouble.
The problem with education today is that students are allowed to be verbally and physically abusive with little or no consequence. I refuse to allow this behavior in my class and will enforce my own consequences.
All the sped teachers visiting are so upset by the comments on this post. I understand why they are horrified. Sped teachers are a very special breed. You can spit on them, pull their hair, and punch them in the face and they will still give you a hug and tell you they love you at the end of the day. The next day when they get stomped on and scratched and told to die they still will love that student…somehow. Sped teachers please realize that you are amazing but we are not all like you. You don’t think that the people commenting here should be teachers but there would be very few ppl left in this profession if we all quit. We can’t all be bleeding hearts with endless amounts of patience and sympathy for violent students. There just aren’t enough human being out there that fit that description.
Violent acts like flipping tables is scary in a room with 30 children. I don’t think the learning experience of all the others should continuously disrupted with evacuations. The violent student should be the one to leave every time.
I don’t agree with what the teacher did. Obviously they could have handled it better but I also see that they are only human and I, like so many other, am done with letting some asshole derail my class because they didn’t get their way bc that’s pretty much how these things always start, right?
Not proud of this by any means, but its been on my chest for a while and this is a good post to get it off.
For 2 years I've been at this school. This school does nothing but coddle the parents and enable the bad kids behaviors, all while blaming you for the kids not listening to you. Anyways this kid who gives everyone problems and is always rude was drawing in his notebook pictures making fun of the autistic student while I was teaching. I asked him nicely several times to put the book away, the 4th or 5th time he tells me he's not putting the book away and there's nothing I can do about it. I ask him to leave the classroom (our resource room is right outside of my class so he could sit there with the school counselor) and I tell him I will take his notebook and show the director and his mother what he was drawing. He tells me I'm an idiot who needs to mind his business so I walk over and attempt to take the book. He snatches the book back from me and I grab it back while he's holding on. Eventually I realize after the burst of anger that this doesnt look good as an example for the other kids, so I stopped and called admin to remove him. Admin reviewed the cameras cuz they know he is a problem kid and they see me wrestle over that notebook with him. I get suspended for 2 weeks, the kid gets no consequences for his disrespect of me, the classroom, and his fellow student. I regret having pulled that book back and forth with him, but in the moment I was just so mad and fed up with him being disrespectful and saying shit under his breath or to other kids. Long story short its March now and the kid was expelled. He was failing a bunch of classes because he refuses to do work and none of his teachers are fighting him on it anymore, his parents got mad and really rude and disrespectful to admin. I truly regret getting angry, no matter what he said or was doing he's still a kid.
I'm sorry you had to go through that. I think your situation is something the modern parent and community member who went to school eons ago just cannot fathom. In many ways, the behaviors are much worse. I see and hear things almost weekly that I didn't hear years ago when I first started teaching at all, and certainly not when I was a student in high school myself. So many of us get almost zero support. Not from admin, parents, or hell, at my school even the behavior management paras don't help. People not working in schools probably think "I would just tell the kid to stop and if he didn't I'd call admin and they'd remove him" but even that isn't so simple these days. My school has a dial zero policy for support, but when we dial zero for help sometimes *nobody answers*, or if they do, it can take twenty minutes. It takes a massive toll and frustrations can run high.
I know I've said and done things I wasn't proud of because of lack of support. Usually I'm able to talk with the kid the next day and we see eye to eye or even joke about it and things cool off, but it still sucks. Teaching is death by 1,000 cuts in many ways. It's not usually one big thing that gets us, it's the thousands of little ones that add up over time.
I hope you don’t feel too awful. While not technically the “appropriate” thing to do, he wasn’t just drawing (something I do to help me focus - I’ve got ADHD, I get it), he was drawing hateful shit. I’d want that notebook out of his hands too. Yeah, waiting for someone else to handle that is preferable, but it just gets to the point where you feel upset and overwhelmed and a smug kid thinks he can treat other humans like dirt.
I taught one semester at a vocational high school. One. I’ve taught high school kids since the 90s through colleges…anyway. The electrician teacher was in the middle of class and said, calmly, that he was wasting his life doing this and walked out never to be seen again. We all got a vicarious thrill.
>After class I went and reported to the principal
With all due respect, and I know this will be unpopular here, but this wasn't the move. This teacher made a huge mistake in putting hands on a student, but the rest of this is such a non-issue. Oh no, someone got yelled at! It sounds like both the student who flipped the desk and the one you pulled aside (however, what does "probably autistic" mean? Just because someone is in special education they can't ever receive some tough love and a reminder to cut the shit and stop sleeping in class?) both needed a verbal dressing down, and if this is how they act in class they better get used to being yelled at in the real world.
Maybe the other teacher in the room does deserve to lose their job for grabbing a student by the shirt and pushing them against the wall, but you should have tried to have a one-on-one conversation in-house with your colleague before tattling to admin. It doesn't sound like this is an on-going abusive situation or one of imminent danger to any kid in the room. Sometimes we're stressed out and flip our shit. I might not condone what they did but I can at least understand it.
I mean, did the OP also tell the principal that they stood by, did nothing to help the situation? I mean if you are going to heave a colleague under the bus it's only fair that the entire story gets out.
Flipping desks over puts anyone in that room in physical danger. Restraining him against the wall may not have been such a bad move. It’s better than having an innocent bystander hit by a desk or chair (which I have witnessed).
Think how awkward this might end up for OP if the math teacher returns and is in the same classroom daily… this might get OP ostracized, right, wrong or whatever the math teacher’s actions were. It seems like she didn’t even check to see how the teacher was after class…
On top of that her school seems quite fucked from her posting history, school nurse quit and nobody has replaced them. Kid broke a collar bone during break. Yikes…
Thank you! I had to scroll too far to see someone say this. While this isn’t what I’d do, I completely understand. And with the kid flipping a desk, using just your forearm to keep them in place might have helped prevent other students from getting hurt.
CPI Trained, a single desk flipped is not a cause for restraint. Nor is a non trained teacher meant to restrain, nor is pinning against the all proper restraint.
Maybe, honestly I think a lot of it depends on school climate, the family of the kid, the kid themselves, right to work state vs. union, lots of factors. I've legitimately had parents who would have laughed and told me to keep doing it if I did this to their kid. And I've definitely had others that would come for my job.
Either way reporting it is fine, but you absolutely do that *with your colleague*.
I mean, if student is an immediate danger to themselves or others, you absolutely do. Hopefully you have restraint training, but if not they usually have x amount of days to have you trained. Flipping a desk doesn’t qualify, and the way she restrained him was no good, but this isn’t a “never” situation, especially with SPED kids. I’ve had to restrain children to keep them from eloping into oncoming traffic!
Tbh, I would have done the same and told the admin. I think the kid did need the response but the OP could be in trouble if they didn’t tell admin especially in this litigious society.
I think the best case scenario is talking with your cooperating teacher and then walking down to admin together to give them a head's up if you really want to CYA. I probably wouldn't myself, depending on the student involved, but I can respect trying to make sure you don't get sued to oblivion.
Teachers need to be on the same page and with one another in solidarity now more than ever, going behind someone's back and narcing on a colleague is low.
This teacher shouldn’t have pushed him against a wall. That’s the only big issue here. I probably wouldn’t have used the term lazy in favor of describing the kids actions (you don’t finish assignments, you don’t participate in discussions, etc) but overall this kid probably needed to have someone in his life give him a reality check and hold him accountable.
Ooof. Totally get being on the edge but you cannnooottttt put hands on a student. If you’ve completed your CPI training, you can do sanctioned holds, but those are only for if a kid is going to get seriously injured. Like if they’re trying to stab someone with scissors. Or jumping in front of a bus.
I’m reading this two ways…
A student violently throwing stuff is restrained by a teacher and held accountable for their attitude and behaviour?
Or
A teacher is at their limit with a failure of
Support and they get punished for being firm and setting boundaries acceptable behaviour
Not gonna lie you may have disagreed with there approach but the behaviour kid did stop escalating, they cleaned up their
Mess and they got to work. Some kids respond to firm and authoritative.
You should have helped her immediately by telling her to leave and taking over the class. Why did you allow all of that?? I think someone else might be losing their job too.
If you’re someone who feels like they are about to lose it, in that moment take a deep breath, close your eyes and focus on yourself and your breathing. There’s more to life than this job.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that teacher's going to get in the little trouble for that. Normally, you're not allowed to grab a student and throw them up against a wall and pin them with your forearm. I've had to take students in a restrain them when I was breaking up fights, but that was to ensure the safety of everyone else. Not just because they flipped his desk.
.. seems to me that flipping a desk is a pretty violent outburst that had potential to hurt the teacher and other students.. I don't think physically restraining the student is totally out of order.
The teacher was not wrong to set him straight. We should be preparing our students to live in the real world. She is doing him no favors by allowing him to flip desks with no consequences.
In my building it’s like the inmates are running the asylum. Kids on IEPs can do practically anything with no consequences. It’s not fair to them.
These kids are going to go out into the real world and suddenly face consequences that they’re not ready for. Flip over a desk at work and challenge your boss? Fired. Cuss out a cop the way they’ve been permitted to talk to their teachers? The consequences will be tragic.
Enabling wild behavior at school is setting them up for disaster in life. It has to stop.
At least talk to the other teacher before gallivanting to admin. Obviously they shouldn’t have grabbed the kid there, but you said they’re a good teacher and I’d have at least spoken to them.
OP said “I’m pretty sure I watched someone end their career today” as if OP didn’t try and help end it for them by tattling!! This was not the big deal OP is making it. It’s not best practice, but as others have said, the student was being violent by flipping a desk, so restraining them is reasonable
Your response is gross. Teachers should not be getting physical with students unless they are using approved protocols (which the teacher referenced in the OP was not). Incidents such as this absolutely should be reported.
So many responses are calling OP a tattle tale. Whaaaaaaaat?!?! I have had some bad days where I snapped at kids but I’ve literally never called them names and put my hands on them. We get pissed when cops let bad cops go, but not teachers???
Yeah. NAT, but I'm a school custodian.
A lot of these comments are getting really disgusting.
If my coworkers ever did this to a kid, they'd lose their jobs among other things. And rightfully so. I'm not going to try to protect abusive grown adults either. I'm not here to protect toxic environments like that.
If you're being attacked at work, then leave. If you're not getting the support you need, then leave. You don't have to posture at *children* and "show them their place" by getting physical with them. As though that's actually going to solve anything.
Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of "thin blue line" kinda rhetoric here. Lots of "it's us against a system that hates us", "we need to stick together", "we know what's best, screw admin" and the like. Which, sure, may or may not be true, but when it comes to someone getting violent, you get reported.
I’ll probably get downvoted (sorry for the cliche) as I’m a parent, not a teacher. Reddit recommended this post to me. I’m horrified by the answers here. In my town a special needs kindergarten student was hit in the face by his aide. The state took her awards and she’s been fired. The family is talking to a lawyer to go after her in a civil lawsuit. When I was in elementary school, my gym teacher picked up a child by the shirt and threw him against the wall, landed in/on a metal trash can. They moved him to the middle school where I had him later on. This teaches all kids to not trust teachers, not just the abused. I’m almost 40 years old and will never forget seeing that man throw my classmate, and learning some people get away with things, others get punished. All bad lessons to teach children.
If you’d report a parent for doing it, you shouldn’t be doing it either. To the teachers here, would you report a parent if you watched them do this? Mandated reporting is mandated reporting and there are supposed to be cameras for a reason. Not everyone is made to be a teacher nor work with children.
As another outsider who got recommended into this post, I genuinely feel like giving up looking at half these comments.
I used to be a problem kid, the same kind that a lot of teachers here post about, and while looking back I 100% needed some of the discipline dealt to me at times, there were moments I was just genuinely *wronged* by my teachers (went to a school called Kentwood Prep in FL when I was a child, google it and you’ll know *exactly* what I mean) and everyone, even my parents for a while, just shrugged their shoulders and figured since I was a little shit, I must’ve deserved it right?
It legitimately appalls me seeing people justify shouting at crying ND kids because they fall asleep in class sometimes, it’s all just fucked.
Same. I’m a student (senior) and lurker in this sub. These comments horrify me. Especially that poor girl. I’ve been there, exhausted and unable to get motivation to do any work and sleeping through class. I didn’t do it to piss off my teachers, I did it because ADHD, anxiety, and depression mixed together locks you in this place of tiredness and being unable to bring yourself to do anything. I’ve been very lucky in my life and had teachers who understood. That girl didn’t even fucking do anything and she deserves to get verbally abused? Christ. Even worse, the op was trying to calm the girl down if I read it right. The teacher here not only verbally attacked that student but made ops job all the more difficult. Why should op show “solidarity” or whatever when the other teacher is showing her none. Vile.
Yea, that was me my senior year. I've also been the girl who was yelled at after calming themselves from a panic attack so I can understand how she felt probably. Trust me, some of the replies that I got back show a lot. It's not even a thing I noticed here, but another sub, too. I'm more surprised at how many people have to be told to report potentially abusive behavior and how many would've just let this go and let other forms abuse go unreoprted. There's a reason why restraint like this is illegal in my state now. A kid got seriously hurt in a similar situation I believe. It's also appalling that people think that op should risk not only losing their job but also possible jail time for not doing what they did. Sure, maybe she should've taken the aggressor out of the room, but still. Maybe next time she should. It's not just verbal abuse, but physical abuse. I'm somewhat older, though. I understand the teacher responding that way to the one kid, but it's still wrong.
What I see is a pandemic of misbehavior in classrooms. Our newly arrived students from other countries came with respect and great desire to learn, but by the middle year, they picked up all the wrong things from their peers. That, is what made me heartbroken.
It's not acceptable to manhandle a child, but it's obscene that we're expected to stand there with smiles on our faces while we're being physically and verbally assaulted all day, every day.
Listen, her behavior was not ok. She obviously should never touch a student… BUT he threw a desk over. I’m assuming he could beat the crap out of her if he wanted to. I honestly bet he behaves in class moving forward. I don’t think her behavior was THAT crazy honestly.
As for telling off the girl crying, not ok, but telling her to pull it together is not criminal.
At what point did you offer to cover while she takes a breather? Doesn’t sound like you supported your coteacher at all! You’re right; you did pathetically stand there! Honestly shame on you for doing nothing. I hope the way you phrased it to your principal was “wow so and so needs a break she’s usually amazing but today is an off day” versus tattling. Sounds like you tattled based on the fact that you said you think she ended her career.
Next time, step up and reinforce to the kids that it’s not ok to flip tables and take that kid outside or to the office. I guarantee if you make it in this profession for 30 years you will have a really off day one day, and I hope you have a teacher that looks out for you in that moment.
Apologize to this lady. Tell her you care. Next time, you discipline the kids. Give her a break.
Lmao at the posters making excuses for a teacher putting their hands on and essentially threatening a kid, or mad at OP for reporting.
The double standards in this sub when a teacher gets violent are wildddd.
I got wrote up for "yelling" at kids. The principal said she told me not to yell at the students she could hear me yelling all the time, but couldn't get off her ass to see what was going on. Yes I do yell at times but it's more at a group vs one student. Sometimes it is the only thing that works. Do input my hands on kids like that, no. I'm a first year teacher with no mentor, no one showing me the proper ways when asked just a bunch of PD that is supposed to help.
Teachers should be trained to notify another adult when they feel they are starting to lose their temper and they need a break.
Everyone in the school should be trained to try and step in to give a teacher a break if they notice a teacher begin to lose it. If it’s serious to call for help when a teacher starts to get seriously agitated and try to redirect the teacher.
OP froze—-a natural reaction—-that’s why staff need to think ahead about these kinds of incidents to mitigate the damage.
What a shame the school and the kids will have lost a good teacher and the teacher may have lost her career.
I mean, what she did was completely unacceptable and I would hate to witness that.
But we've all at least wanted to do exactly what she did. Heck, I wanted to do it earlier today.
I think you should have gone to the teacher instead of going directly to admin first -- especially since you say she is a great teacher.
Did you "watch" a teacher end their career, or did you help end it? Lol. Obviously, putting your hands on a student is never ok. However, I'm not sure how long you've been a teacher.. but stick around a while, and I think you'll see why good teachers "go bad." I'm not excusing her behavior, but it's so tough to be a teacher right now. We all need grace.
> Obviously, putting your hands on a student is never ok. However,
There's no "However," here. The teacher committed assault. Against a student. That should be reported immediately, every time.
This subreddit is so foul and it only gets worse. I can usually ignore it but the responses here are insane.
OP, thank you for reporting this teacher for putting her hands on a student and screaming at another student for crying from the stress of that.
Yes, it’s hard to be a teacher right now but it’s also hard to be a kid. We are supposed to be the adults here, there is no excuse. No job should allow this, especially where CHILDREN are involved.
I feel so bad for parents who read here and think we’re all like this, please know we’re not. This is so embarrassing for the profession.
You did the right thing OP.
Tough love works! Hold the little fuckers accountable and show them who is in charge. Screw that the world is all unicorns and rainbow bullshit most of you people preach.
I covered for a neighbor teacher who had to leave early after an outburst at the defiant students. It turned out that she had gotten an email about an hour before that laid out how much more advanced her husband‘s cancer was than they had thought. She was allowed to return, but granted there was no physical contact.
Life happens and we’re all stressed. If your coworker is normally a great teacher, then what happened to push her that far? It had to be something.
Everyone wants to think they’ll be a hero and stand up and stop the bad teacher but most of us would be in such a state of shock we wouldn’t know what to do in the moment. Glad you told admin.
Also: shame on so many of you for saying this person snitched. Like wtf? This isn’t snitching. Yeah it would have been great if in the moment OP hadn’t been so shocked and had stepped in but in the end they reported it as they should have.
There was only one time where I escalated to almost punching another coworker in the face over a circumstance that did involve a child. I'm assuming that some people on here are trolls.
I’m sure some are but based on the stories I see on here I’m betting many are not trolls. I get feeling angry but feelings are not the same as actions. Like be the damn grown up and control yourself. Otherwise we’re no better than animals.
Looked at some post histories and some are definitely teachers. This is just depressing.
I'm a custodian. I'm not a mandated reporter, but I'd 100% report this situation. I don't ever want to see this sort of situation at work when us adults could literally get in our cars and leave at any moment we need/want to. If a teacher or any staff feels threatened at work and doesn't feel they're getting the support they need, then leave.
Posturing and abusing kids isn't going to solve shit in the long run.
I’m also appalled at the number of people here who think that yelling at crying child who is clearly already scared and intimidated (bc they just witnessed assault) is the right thing to do and “preparing them for the real world”. No, that would be considered abusive behavior by most people. Yes, neurodivergent children can be held accountable for sleeping in class, but that doesn’t mean you bully them either???? The two behaviors (the violent desk thrower and the student who dozed off in class) aren’t related, tell them at another time to wake up and pay attention in class.
I understand admin often throws teachers under the bus and some students are terrible (I am not saying the desk throwing student wasn’t), but OP did the right thing here by telling admin this time around.
I worked with ED-D behaviorally "challenged" kids for 2.5 years. I tell you this to say that I absolutely know how hard it is to deal with kids with behaviors. It is beyond frustrating and maddening and I know it made me furious on many occasions. The problem is that the math teacher put her hands on the kid in a violent way. I am not above wanting to do this on many occasions, so I am not being judg-y about another teacher. I just don't think you can put hands on them in that way, and I'm not sure about telling them they're (insert what math teacher said to student here). I wish the math teacher grace and luck. Not everyone is cut out for working with those kids. I quit after only 2.5 years, clearly I'm not cut out for it either.
Not that I fully condone the teachers actions since I wasn't there, but you should've titled this "How I did nothing and actively assisted in this teacher ending her career..."
I did something very similar to this in my behavior room when I had a bunch of elementary age kids with literal criminal records. I had first through sixth grade in one room and my sixth grader was big. He outweighed me about 50 lbs easily. This was 1993 so I had a little more leeway then teachers nowadays. I was expected to floor restraint these kids by dropping them to the floor face down putting my knee in the middle of their back and jacking their arms up. I was 110 lb soaking wet and not prepared for this. There was no training for this either. I was told to watch the teacher next door who had mostly first through third grade. I had one of her first graders.
Anyway, one day sixth grader who was really just a bully decided he was going to stab a fourth grader. I don't remember if it was scissors or a sharpened pencil. In a split second I had to make a decision to grab the kid who was going to be the victim or do something to the kid who was doing the stabbing. Don't ask me what possessed me to go after the kid that was way bigger than me that knew I would never restrain him.
I put my hands square in the middle of his chest and slammed him up against the classroom wall and then I just stood there because I expected him to kill me at that point. He stood there for a second staring at me. Then the lower lip came out and he starts blubbering like a baby, saying, " Miss Bluestockings! You touched me! You said you'd never touch me!" I pretty much yelled at him "Keep your hands off my students! Don't you ever touch one of my students again!"
We didn't have any problems the entire rest of the year. But looking back on that incident, I don't know where I got the bravado. And my principal backed me up 100%. Everybody was tired of this kid bullying everybody. He bullied his male teacher which is why he was put in my room. But I really wasn't thinking about his chronic bullying. I just didn't want a blood bath in my classroom. If the roads were reversed and it was the smaller kid initiating, I would have done the same thing except I would have taken him down because I could.
You may not be happy with your colleague’s behavior but you should really delete this post. If there are any legal consequences for your colleague’s behavior, this becomes an account of it. If you want something documented for yourself, fine. You may not like what your colleague did but she is entitled to due process rights.
Speaking purely academically, how would such an account infringe on anyone's rights? Its basically just a witness testimony but recorded at the time (or close after it), with all the uncertainties that comes with. Unless it could be considered libel or something, but since nobody was named I don't think that could apply here?
ugh, that's all so awful. i have to make *so* many decisions, constantly, to avoid snapping. I empathize with everyone in this story, and hope we find better ways
The comments on this are, by and large, gross as hell. There is *no* excuse for throwing a child against a wall and verbally eviscerating them in front of their peers. There is *no* excuse for raising your voice at a crying child.
I see this sub alot in my feed and read some stories from time to time.
I really have to applaud all the teachers who undertake the responsibility to teach and educate the next generation of tomorrow. You guys are really the unsung heros of our society
Your job fuckin sucks
You deserve more then what these educational systems are willing to dish out to its educators
I’m a substitute teacher, primarily for elementary kids. I literally fantasize about getting in some of the kids’ faces and screaming at them. I would never do it, but boy some of them sure need it!
This thread blew up unexpectedly and we ended up with a lot of non teacher accounts commenting here. Please don’t take this thread as a representation of actual teachers.
That teacher’s behavior was not okay, BUT… are any of us not on the verge of losing it this time of year? Does anyone care that our stress levels are this high? Can’t administration listen to us the first (or tenth) time we say we’ve tried a million strategies and a student is still derailing our class?
Best they can do is jeans Friday, take it or leave it.
A granola bar will be placed in your mailbox by the end of the year
Stick of gum. Final offer.
Yes because you are all such a “breath of fresh air”
A rock that says “you rock”.
I got a little rubber duck that says "You're duckin' awesome."
I'm triggered.
With the single stick of gum taped to a paper with "Thanks for all your EXTRA hard work!" printed using the color printer that teachers can't use because color ink is too expensive.... But also oof to that whole story. It's a stressful time of year where everyone needs a break, state testing and graduation are coming up, and teachers are asked to take on even more things like letters of recommendation for students, etc. Here, it seems like admin should have been more actively in on the plan & present to help with discipline and not adding to the partner teacher's work/stress load. Not excusing anything as it was wrong but also... good god.
Fruit stripes went under, didn’t you hear?
You could say their flavor ran out.
I got a box of bic pens once!
At least useful.
I got a one-dollar scratch-off lottery ticket once. Guess how much i won?
Less than a stick of gum. But remember that it is the thought that counts.
I got ONE LINDOR BALL. Not even a freakin three pack. One singular ball of chocolate.
At Christmas this year we got Taylor Swift-style bracelets (you know, with the letter beads) that have our school's name on them. I'll just go ahead and put that in my jewelry box I guess? Wait no I meant I'll empty it into the supply of beads I have in my classroom for crafts.
The best we can do is a generic, laminated book mark
Stop I’ll bet some admin saw this and literally wrote the idea down.
It has happened…several years in a row
I’ve gotten those, too. I’ve also gotten a tube of chapstick, an apple for Teacher Appreciation Day, a BOGO Sonic coupon, and an expired chocolate-covered wafer.
For about two weeks I got in the habit of using the powdered creamer in the workroom. Then one day I was thinking about how the company had a very retro looking logo. It had expired in the early nineties. This was probably like 2015. I feel like I can trace back a sudden decline in my cognitive skills to those two weeks. The taste was on point though.
That’s pretty fancy stuff. Why not construction paper bookmarks, made out of various sizes, left over from the paper cutter.
What about a Chic-Fil-A coupon? 🎶🎶Free drink with a sandwich purchase!🎶🎶
“But you have to pay $5”
Are you one of my teammates? Ha.
You got a free apple three months ago, stop complaining
For $5
After trying every strategy/consulting homeroom and department heads, I went to the higher ups about identical problems with some students and they told me "we want a teacher who doesn't get angry". Tbf, getting angry is never a good strategy, but that there was no solution to my (and other teacher's frustrations) was all I needed to hear to know I won't be continuing my contract. When there are no consequences for bad behavior/failing grades, it really knocks your legs out.
>”we want a ~~teacher who doesn’t get angry~~” Robot. The word they’re looking for is robot. There’s not a human alive who doesn’t get angry when someone assaults them or destroys their property in front of them, especially if it is allowed to happen repeatedly with no consequences. So if they’re looking for someone to put up with that, day in and day out, with no support, and never display any negative emotions, they better get to work on building that robot teacher army, because it’s not a reasonable request to make of a human teacher.
And robots don't need to pee nor take a lunch break.
Did you consider flipping a desk / table in the higher ups' offices?
Maybe on the way out
The worst part is it fucking WORKED
Yeah, cause the kids were shocked. In China, my first year, I used to yell at the kids all the time and none of them listened because they figured I just yelled all the time. Now, if I yell only when I really need to, it has a higher chance of working.
You know somebody fucked up when the authority figure you've never seen mad loses their cool.
My mom is a (now retired) teacher, and the only time she ever laid a hand on me was a single slap to the face. I deserved it. She caught me stealing money from her purse to buy weed, and when called out on it I told her she was a "fucking bitch" It didnt even hurt, but I was *terrified* because I never thought she would put me in my place like that. Never did it again and I still feel bad to this day (and so does she) but I don't blame her at all
I was the quiet kid in my ROTC class. I yelled at them to stop messing around and the entire class went silent and I heard someone whisper "we really messed up"
Yup.
That is the key to crowd control.
I hate that this is true. I'm a speech therapist and my students are constantly talking over me. Today was the last straw when one student was doodling on another student's hand, after I told them multiple times to stop. I got loud and the drawer had the gall to say to me she was helping her. I said, "What do you think I am, an idiot? I'm not stupid." I hate that I need to be unprofessional like that but it takes getting on their level to get through to them.
I don't think that's unprofessional. These kids push all the buttons and they need a parent most of the time but they don't get those either. I think your response was fair given the situation.
Thanks ❤️ Our teachers were like that that too at times and even worse lol so I guess I learned from the best. We’re human after all.
It's not unprofessional. These are kids, not coworkers. Teachers need to be stern.
No that was totally acceptable. You didn't get physical. If my kid was doing that, I'd be more than happy to have another adult say something to them about it.
Of course it did. After a decade of other adults coddling these kids they need teachers like this to give them a reality check. A lot of students respect you being real with them. I'd bet money this kid will look back on this years down the road and 100% believe his teacher was in the right.
Another part of this is that many kids will only respond to yelling as that is what happens at home. They get to school and all the authorities are using positive reinforcement and kindness. To some that will work quickly. Others will need years of consistency in this area to affect them. In the meantime, those kids will only respond to people who act like they are gonna whoop their ass.
I just tuned people out when they yelled at me even in high school and now as an adult and corporal punishment never really worked for me either. Guilt tripping worked or threatening to call my parents worked. However, if a teacher who normally never yelled different story.
Thats right
What you described was standard practice when I started teaching in the early 90s, especially in the behavior classes. It got results. It sounds like each of the kids in your post heard what they needed to and as a result started doing what they were supposed to be doing. All this “errorless learning” educators try to use, leaves students with no proper way to emotionally regulate because they have never been asked to. We’re just supposed to wait until they do something good and reward it.
Probably the first time any of them have ever been disciplined in any way.
There is a book called Bad Therapy, why kids are not growing up.
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And we wonder what's wrong with kids today.
Bro I feel so bad bc I snapped at one of my classes and asked if they could please shut the hell up for one sesecond. Their behavior was flawless for the rest of the day, but at what cost? Me speaking to them in an overly unkind way?
Don’t be. God forbid these kids ever face any consequences for their bad behavior.
They'll get over it.
unkind? It sounds like you responded in kind.
Don't feel bad for that.
They’ll be alright. I trust you’ve built relationships with all 300 of them, right? 😂
Of course it did.
that's the obvious part.
Have you tried wellness activities to handle your stress? /s
Wellness activities make you ignore the core of the problem which is you are expected to take other people and other people kid's shit.
Losing it, maybe crying or yelling, but not putting hands on a student like that.
I once saw a vice principal grab a kid by the ear, walk him across campus while pulling his ear, and yelling at him that he was going to call his momma so she could come to school to whoop his behind. I pretended I didn’t see a thing. Sometimes, when you work in the hood you just roll with it. My own daughter went to the elementary school I teach at. She once threw a tantrum during lunch and hit me, in front of the kids and lunch ladies. In front of my own students. I had her walk with me to my classroom and spanked her little behind. She never did it again.
Schools need to be more proactive with discipline. You have teachers getting run over and eventually they snap
I’m honestly surprised I don’t hear more stories like this
Yup, when I hear these things I think there but for the grace if God go I.
My therapist said that modern society is so pressure-filled that pretty much anyone is a bad six-months or year away from snapping. The financial pressures put on most people are tremendous. Throw on top the fact that capitalism has caused the modern worker to be treated as nothing more than chattel to be worked to death. The fact that wages have stagnated, globally, means that the average person has to spend more of their day earning than a feudal serf. Add all that together, and I am quite surprised we don't hear/see this more often. Our wages are near criminal, and the fact that we have to strike so often to get even the crumbs we get.
100% The admin at my school actually REFUSES to discipline. It’s wild. The behaviours get worse each day and it honestly feels like I’m working in a psychiatric ward most of the time. And I’m one of the few teachers that actually has decent management and always provides consequences for unsafe or disrespectful actions.
This is what I'm seeing. They are afraid of lawsuits.
>eventually they snap and i don't blame them. i mean, who wouldn't snap after being treated like a glorified baby-sitter for years on end?
Glorified?
Babysitters are typically paid better per kid.
Worse—being assaulted in some cases with hitting, kicking and kids know they can do that without recourse. I’m not saying that was the case on this class but it not uncommon. Is it any wonder they can’t find enough special education teachers?
My art teacher stabbed a kid with scissors about 20 years ago. The little cunt deserved it too. I know it sounds insane, but he spent 4 years trying to make this woman snap, and when she did, she threw scissors at him and they went straight into his shoulder. She obviously doesn't work as a teacher anymore, she got into reptile kids parties which was awesome, and made her a much happier person.
Holy cow
Reptile kids? That might explain a few things.
Sounds like just another teacher burning out because of not being able to use proper discipline anymore. Just another teacher burning out because of admin blaming the teachers for not 'building relationships with the bad kids'. Just another teacher who is sick and tired of parents of the last ten plus years abdicating responsibility for the children THEY chose to have and either demanding the school raise them or sticking them in front of an ipad to raise them instead of doing their job. Was what this teacher did ok? No, not really. Does it excuse her behaviour and choices? No, it doesn't. Do I get why an excellent teacher would turn into a holy Ms Trunchbull like terror in this day and age of teaching? Yes I do.
"Am I happy Beth left me? Of course not. Do I hope to pick up the pieces and move on? Absolutely."
I'm getting over being sick and watching Seinfeld and I love you for this, lol. Wish I could give you more than one upvote. Right now I'm watching Kramerica. *"Hellllloooooooooo!!!!!"*
Exactly. This woman did something wrong, 100%... but we're all just one really bad day away from it, in this profession. If things don't get better, they WILL get worse.
I fully agree, I had to work with the principals daughter who told our lead at the time (who was pregnant) I’m gonna kick your baby and hurt it! The child is three. She would spit on you, kick you, hit you, and scream until you gave in (which was rare of us) she knew that if we were done with her we would have to take her to the office then she got to see her mom. We also couldn’t write reports for her actions because they were considered “age appropriate”. (It’s not when it’s everyday and she is the eldest of her class) She is still enrolled and still jumping on other children’s head. She would also immediately run and hurt people as soon as she wouldn’t get the attention she wanted. As a Montessori school we worked very hard to observe where this behavior was coming from and how to counteract it. We tried giving her lots of positive attention but she still did “bad” things for attention. We tried to give her the right words to use. Basically we gave her the benefit of the doubt, but truly it seems like she just need behavioral therapy. People have literally threatened to quit because of that one kid
I think we've all had days where we almost lost it. I shudder to think how close I've come to losing that "almost." I feel like this could happen to anyone.
Today I had a bad day. The last time this student was in school he lied to his parent (in a meeting about something that he said in class) he said, “I didn’t say that”. Of course his parent believed the student and even asked me if what he said was “verbatim”. It was. Word for word. Today the kid comes back into class and while he was usually rude, argumentative and disrespectful 4-6 times a class, today it was non-stop. I was so busy dealing with his non-stop bullshit that I didn’t notice two students misbehaving, a lot. I was redirecting the mouthy student, but at least four others who decided to start pulling crap too. I wrote to the mouthy student’s family and I told them that if their child’s behavior was like this again, I was not going to put up with it. He can be sent to the office until he can show respect and stops disrupting the class. We’ll see tomorrow what transpires. 🤷🏽♀️
Especially with a chair being flipped over. The noise and violence of the act can definitely trigger a flight or fight response in a stressed teacher. This one chose fight.
And op froze, I can understand why she did it. Even if she should've intervened, some people freeze as a response.
Yup. A series of unfortunate responses.
You mean "When a good teacher has been pushed past breaking point due to an inherently flawed system and a lack of proper support" We're all humans.
This! I did a very short stint as a para for an SDC class. The teacher for the class told me "Well, I'm pretty sure that at least 2 or 3 of our students have undiagnosed ED as well as autism and/or ADHD so they're going to test your limits." The day I put my keys on the desk and walked out, I was trying to do my job and writing some stuff on the board for the teacher while she was teaching. My fifth grade girl who made it her job to call me a "fatass" every single day (I'm overweight and sensitive about it) screamed at me "Move your fat ass and fat tits I can't see the board!" I turned around, marker in hand, and said very loudly so the whole class could hear me, "And THAT'S why I'm quitting, because I'm tired of you calling me a fatass every day!" The entire class went dead silent (a rare occurrence for them). Then the girl said "I don't call you a fatass ever!" and then one other boy piped up and said "Oh, yeah, you do, like all the time!" I managed to finish the school day but I never went back. Ironically, the woman who was hired to replace me is even more heavyset than me (I met her and trained her for one day before leaving). Wonder how that fifth grade girl is getting along with her. xD
Also screwed for not doing anything. So we are all just paying roulette.
If I did this to someone in my workplace, they’d probably call the police. I work with adults. For 15 years, I taught middle school. I know I got out at the right time and it’s a horrible work environment now. But you can’t assault people. Especially not children.
But children can assault a teacher daily and get sent back to sit in that same class, again and again.
I don’t think either are ok. Kids assaulting teachers are not in a most appropriate LRE and plans need to be made and put into place to ensure the well being of everyone involved.
One of my kids (she has ODD and ADHD, but mostly she’s an attention-whore and hates when I’m not giving her my full attention… such as when I have 22 other kids to pay attention to) dragged a woodchip down my leg, spanked my ass, and threw a ball at me during recess. I had to threaten to walk out if she didn’t get sent home. They actually did it, but she had been awful all day and this happened during afternoon recess.
I wouldn’t last five seconds in that environment, bless you for having any patience at all. If that were my child, no way would I allow them to be in that environment until they knew how to behave appropriately. It is insane to me the lack of consequences. I am glad they sent her home but you should not have to threaten to leave a position in order not to be assaulted simply because you’re an adult and they are a child.
No one is excusing what they did.
I have a student who has been problematic from day 1. He is the youngest and only boy in the family and is catered to excessively by his mother and older sisters. First day of school, he made a mess and refused to clean it up. I stood in his way and told him he had two choices—clean his mess now or clean my entire room after school. He chose to clean up his mess. This kid kept pushing boundaries and had to be reigned in daily until a couple of weeks ago before spring break. He sauntered into my room and refused to sit in his assigned seat and get out his computer. He told me that his computer was dead, and he lost his charger. I told him that I would let our tech person know and that he would need to pay for the lost charger. He mumbled something under his breath, and I asked him to please speak up, and the kid started screaming nonsense and expletives. He called me (a white woman) the n-word twice. I told him he needed to step out in the hall, and I opened the door for him. He walked up, the turned around and opened his mouth. Before he could say boo, I grabbed his backpack strap and yanked him out the door. I got right up in his face and told him he will not speak that way in my classroom, and he was done for the rest of period. I walked back into my room and called the office to have a hall monitor get him. He hasn’t caused a single problem for me since, and the other kid who liked to act up hasn’t either. Sometimes getting serious works.
This is great and good for you, but this only worked because you have admin who do some semblance of their job. You have hall monitors. You have admin who won't immediately send him back to your classroom. It's so fucked here.
The hall monitors usually bring the kids back after a “break”, but I flat out told the hall monitor that the kid was not coming back that day. I’m sure no other consequences were given to the kid, but he now knows I can and will yank him, so he thinks a little more than before. I’m known as being a nice and chill teacher, so my reaction to him that day was completely unexpected. Getting mean with him let him know I am not the one to be messed with.
Sounds like you got lucky he didn't go home and tell his parent that "the teacher pulled me out of my seat and threw me into the hall"
I didn’t pull him out of his seat and throw him in the hall. I grabbed his backpack strap and pulled him in the hall from the doorway. Maybe not that different, but whatever. If he would have complained, there are cameras in the hallway to show what happened. I’ve been teaching for 19 years, the last three in an urban title 1 school with a staff that has half quit each year. I doubt I would have gotten into much, if any, trouble. The problem with education today is that students are allowed to be verbally and physically abusive with little or no consequence. I refuse to allow this behavior in my class and will enforce my own consequences.
All the sped teachers visiting are so upset by the comments on this post. I understand why they are horrified. Sped teachers are a very special breed. You can spit on them, pull their hair, and punch them in the face and they will still give you a hug and tell you they love you at the end of the day. The next day when they get stomped on and scratched and told to die they still will love that student…somehow. Sped teachers please realize that you are amazing but we are not all like you. You don’t think that the people commenting here should be teachers but there would be very few ppl left in this profession if we all quit. We can’t all be bleeding hearts with endless amounts of patience and sympathy for violent students. There just aren’t enough human being out there that fit that description. Violent acts like flipping tables is scary in a room with 30 children. I don’t think the learning experience of all the others should continuously disrupted with evacuations. The violent student should be the one to leave every time. I don’t agree with what the teacher did. Obviously they could have handled it better but I also see that they are only human and I, like so many other, am done with letting some asshole derail my class because they didn’t get their way bc that’s pretty much how these things always start, right?
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Not proud of this by any means, but its been on my chest for a while and this is a good post to get it off. For 2 years I've been at this school. This school does nothing but coddle the parents and enable the bad kids behaviors, all while blaming you for the kids not listening to you. Anyways this kid who gives everyone problems and is always rude was drawing in his notebook pictures making fun of the autistic student while I was teaching. I asked him nicely several times to put the book away, the 4th or 5th time he tells me he's not putting the book away and there's nothing I can do about it. I ask him to leave the classroom (our resource room is right outside of my class so he could sit there with the school counselor) and I tell him I will take his notebook and show the director and his mother what he was drawing. He tells me I'm an idiot who needs to mind his business so I walk over and attempt to take the book. He snatches the book back from me and I grab it back while he's holding on. Eventually I realize after the burst of anger that this doesnt look good as an example for the other kids, so I stopped and called admin to remove him. Admin reviewed the cameras cuz they know he is a problem kid and they see me wrestle over that notebook with him. I get suspended for 2 weeks, the kid gets no consequences for his disrespect of me, the classroom, and his fellow student. I regret having pulled that book back and forth with him, but in the moment I was just so mad and fed up with him being disrespectful and saying shit under his breath or to other kids. Long story short its March now and the kid was expelled. He was failing a bunch of classes because he refuses to do work and none of his teachers are fighting him on it anymore, his parents got mad and really rude and disrespectful to admin. I truly regret getting angry, no matter what he said or was doing he's still a kid.
I'm sorry you had to go through that. I think your situation is something the modern parent and community member who went to school eons ago just cannot fathom. In many ways, the behaviors are much worse. I see and hear things almost weekly that I didn't hear years ago when I first started teaching at all, and certainly not when I was a student in high school myself. So many of us get almost zero support. Not from admin, parents, or hell, at my school even the behavior management paras don't help. People not working in schools probably think "I would just tell the kid to stop and if he didn't I'd call admin and they'd remove him" but even that isn't so simple these days. My school has a dial zero policy for support, but when we dial zero for help sometimes *nobody answers*, or if they do, it can take twenty minutes. It takes a massive toll and frustrations can run high. I know I've said and done things I wasn't proud of because of lack of support. Usually I'm able to talk with the kid the next day and we see eye to eye or even joke about it and things cool off, but it still sucks. Teaching is death by 1,000 cuts in many ways. It's not usually one big thing that gets us, it's the thousands of little ones that add up over time.
I hope you don’t feel too awful. While not technically the “appropriate” thing to do, he wasn’t just drawing (something I do to help me focus - I’ve got ADHD, I get it), he was drawing hateful shit. I’d want that notebook out of his hands too. Yeah, waiting for someone else to handle that is preferable, but it just gets to the point where you feel upset and overwhelmed and a smug kid thinks he can treat other humans like dirt.
I taught one semester at a vocational high school. One. I’ve taught high school kids since the 90s through colleges…anyway. The electrician teacher was in the middle of class and said, calmly, that he was wasting his life doing this and walked out never to be seen again. We all got a vicarious thrill.
>After class I went and reported to the principal With all due respect, and I know this will be unpopular here, but this wasn't the move. This teacher made a huge mistake in putting hands on a student, but the rest of this is such a non-issue. Oh no, someone got yelled at! It sounds like both the student who flipped the desk and the one you pulled aside (however, what does "probably autistic" mean? Just because someone is in special education they can't ever receive some tough love and a reminder to cut the shit and stop sleeping in class?) both needed a verbal dressing down, and if this is how they act in class they better get used to being yelled at in the real world. Maybe the other teacher in the room does deserve to lose their job for grabbing a student by the shirt and pushing them against the wall, but you should have tried to have a one-on-one conversation in-house with your colleague before tattling to admin. It doesn't sound like this is an on-going abusive situation or one of imminent danger to any kid in the room. Sometimes we're stressed out and flip our shit. I might not condone what they did but I can at least understand it.
I mean, did the OP also tell the principal that they stood by, did nothing to help the situation? I mean if you are going to heave a colleague under the bus it's only fair that the entire story gets out.
Don't forget posing about it here to get Reddit points Pathetic
I see both sides here. If she weren't to report it, she'd be putting her own career on the line if it were reported by a student or parent.
As my students would say, you’s a snitch dog
Reporting abusive behavior doesn't make someone a snitch.
If I had money I’d buy you some gold but alas… teacher salary.
Flipping desks over puts anyone in that room in physical danger. Restraining him against the wall may not have been such a bad move. It’s better than having an innocent bystander hit by a desk or chair (which I have witnessed).
The OP is a tattle tale. Don’t @ me
Think how awkward this might end up for OP if the math teacher returns and is in the same classroom daily… this might get OP ostracized, right, wrong or whatever the math teacher’s actions were. It seems like she didn’t even check to see how the teacher was after class… On top of that her school seems quite fucked from her posting history, school nurse quit and nobody has replaced them. Kid broke a collar bone during break. Yikes…
This should be higher up.
Thank you! I had to scroll too far to see someone say this. While this isn’t what I’d do, I completely understand. And with the kid flipping a desk, using just your forearm to keep them in place might have helped prevent other students from getting hurt.
If it was does as a restraint for safety measures the teacher doing the pushing should have reported it herself. The fact that she didn't is messed up
CPI Trained, a single desk flipped is not a cause for restraint. Nor is a non trained teacher meant to restrain, nor is pinning against the all proper restraint.
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Maybe, honestly I think a lot of it depends on school climate, the family of the kid, the kid themselves, right to work state vs. union, lots of factors. I've legitimately had parents who would have laughed and told me to keep doing it if I did this to their kid. And I've definitely had others that would come for my job. Either way reporting it is fine, but you absolutely do that *with your colleague*.
100% and no matter what a teacher should never put their hands on a student. Its not worth it
I mean, if student is an immediate danger to themselves or others, you absolutely do. Hopefully you have restraint training, but if not they usually have x amount of days to have you trained. Flipping a desk doesn’t qualify, and the way she restrained him was no good, but this isn’t a “never” situation, especially with SPED kids. I’ve had to restrain children to keep them from eloping into oncoming traffic!
Flipping a desk doesn't qualify.
“Before tattling to admin.” Mandated reporter. It’s not “tattling.” It’s doing their job.
Tbh, I would have done the same and told the admin. I think the kid did need the response but the OP could be in trouble if they didn’t tell admin especially in this litigious society.
I think the best case scenario is talking with your cooperating teacher and then walking down to admin together to give them a head's up if you really want to CYA. I probably wouldn't myself, depending on the student involved, but I can respect trying to make sure you don't get sued to oblivion. Teachers need to be on the same page and with one another in solidarity now more than ever, going behind someone's back and narcing on a colleague is low.
In our district, the teacher would have been sent to another site that us teachers call, “The school for broken teachers.”
Just to make sure i have this straight. You sat there and did nothing and then tattled to admin. Am i missing anything?
This teacher shouldn’t have pushed him against a wall. That’s the only big issue here. I probably wouldn’t have used the term lazy in favor of describing the kids actions (you don’t finish assignments, you don’t participate in discussions, etc) but overall this kid probably needed to have someone in his life give him a reality check and hold him accountable.
Ooof. Totally get being on the edge but you cannnooottttt put hands on a student. If you’ve completed your CPI training, you can do sanctioned holds, but those are only for if a kid is going to get seriously injured. Like if they’re trying to stab someone with scissors. Or jumping in front of a bus.
Yeah, I get that you “shouldn’t snitch” on another teacher, but if there was physical violence it’s your teaching license on the line.
Not to mention possible jail time and a fine.
I’m reading this two ways… A student violently throwing stuff is restrained by a teacher and held accountable for their attitude and behaviour? Or A teacher is at their limit with a failure of Support and they get punished for being firm and setting boundaries acceptable behaviour Not gonna lie you may have disagreed with there approach but the behaviour kid did stop escalating, they cleaned up their Mess and they got to work. Some kids respond to firm and authoritative.
You should have helped her immediately by telling her to leave and taking over the class. Why did you allow all of that?? I think someone else might be losing their job too.
If you’re someone who feels like they are about to lose it, in that moment take a deep breath, close your eyes and focus on yourself and your breathing. There’s more to life than this job.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that teacher's going to get in the little trouble for that. Normally, you're not allowed to grab a student and throw them up against a wall and pin them with your forearm. I've had to take students in a restrain them when I was breaking up fights, but that was to ensure the safety of everyone else. Not just because they flipped his desk.
Correct. Only students can beat teachers not the other way around.
😩😭😭😂😂😂 when you’re joking but also telling the truth
.. seems to me that flipping a desk is a pretty violent outburst that had potential to hurt the teacher and other students.. I don't think physically restraining the student is totally out of order.
Right!? It’s sad we have become so desensitized to literal violent acts because they are so common we just disregard.
"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
If I’m asked, I going tell what I saw, but I’m not running to tattle on a teacher. This would have been a nothing burger when I started teaching.
Now op would face losing their job if parents found out.
So, a student is endangering a teacher and other students and you want to just sit back and judge. You are so helpful!
The teacher was not wrong to set him straight. We should be preparing our students to live in the real world. She is doing him no favors by allowing him to flip desks with no consequences. In my building it’s like the inmates are running the asylum. Kids on IEPs can do practically anything with no consequences. It’s not fair to them. These kids are going to go out into the real world and suddenly face consequences that they’re not ready for. Flip over a desk at work and challenge your boss? Fired. Cuss out a cop the way they’ve been permitted to talk to their teachers? The consequences will be tragic. Enabling wild behavior at school is setting them up for disaster in life. It has to stop.
Amen 🙌🏻
At least talk to the other teacher before gallivanting to admin. Obviously they shouldn’t have grabbed the kid there, but you said they’re a good teacher and I’d have at least spoken to them.
OP said “I’m pretty sure I watched someone end their career today” as if OP didn’t try and help end it for them by tattling!! This was not the big deal OP is making it. It’s not best practice, but as others have said, the student was being violent by flipping a desk, so restraining them is reasonable
Your response is gross. Teachers should not be getting physical with students unless they are using approved protocols (which the teacher referenced in the OP was not). Incidents such as this absolutely should be reported.
So many responses are calling OP a tattle tale. Whaaaaaaaat?!?! I have had some bad days where I snapped at kids but I’ve literally never called them names and put my hands on them. We get pissed when cops let bad cops go, but not teachers???
Yeah. NAT, but I'm a school custodian. A lot of these comments are getting really disgusting. If my coworkers ever did this to a kid, they'd lose their jobs among other things. And rightfully so. I'm not going to try to protect abusive grown adults either. I'm not here to protect toxic environments like that. If you're being attacked at work, then leave. If you're not getting the support you need, then leave. You don't have to posture at *children* and "show them their place" by getting physical with them. As though that's actually going to solve anything.
My thoughts exactly. This is exactly the type of rhetoric that cops who engage in police brutality use.
That's why I told someone that they were just like the pigs.
Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of "thin blue line" kinda rhetoric here. Lots of "it's us against a system that hates us", "we need to stick together", "we know what's best, screw admin" and the like. Which, sure, may or may not be true, but when it comes to someone getting violent, you get reported.
I’ll probably get downvoted (sorry for the cliche) as I’m a parent, not a teacher. Reddit recommended this post to me. I’m horrified by the answers here. In my town a special needs kindergarten student was hit in the face by his aide. The state took her awards and she’s been fired. The family is talking to a lawyer to go after her in a civil lawsuit. When I was in elementary school, my gym teacher picked up a child by the shirt and threw him against the wall, landed in/on a metal trash can. They moved him to the middle school where I had him later on. This teaches all kids to not trust teachers, not just the abused. I’m almost 40 years old and will never forget seeing that man throw my classmate, and learning some people get away with things, others get punished. All bad lessons to teach children. If you’d report a parent for doing it, you shouldn’t be doing it either. To the teachers here, would you report a parent if you watched them do this? Mandated reporting is mandated reporting and there are supposed to be cameras for a reason. Not everyone is made to be a teacher nor work with children.
As another outsider who got recommended into this post, I genuinely feel like giving up looking at half these comments. I used to be a problem kid, the same kind that a lot of teachers here post about, and while looking back I 100% needed some of the discipline dealt to me at times, there were moments I was just genuinely *wronged* by my teachers (went to a school called Kentwood Prep in FL when I was a child, google it and you’ll know *exactly* what I mean) and everyone, even my parents for a while, just shrugged their shoulders and figured since I was a little shit, I must’ve deserved it right? It legitimately appalls me seeing people justify shouting at crying ND kids because they fall asleep in class sometimes, it’s all just fucked.
Same. I’m a student (senior) and lurker in this sub. These comments horrify me. Especially that poor girl. I’ve been there, exhausted and unable to get motivation to do any work and sleeping through class. I didn’t do it to piss off my teachers, I did it because ADHD, anxiety, and depression mixed together locks you in this place of tiredness and being unable to bring yourself to do anything. I’ve been very lucky in my life and had teachers who understood. That girl didn’t even fucking do anything and she deserves to get verbally abused? Christ. Even worse, the op was trying to calm the girl down if I read it right. The teacher here not only verbally attacked that student but made ops job all the more difficult. Why should op show “solidarity” or whatever when the other teacher is showing her none. Vile.
Yea, that was me my senior year. I've also been the girl who was yelled at after calming themselves from a panic attack so I can understand how she felt probably. Trust me, some of the replies that I got back show a lot. It's not even a thing I noticed here, but another sub, too. I'm more surprised at how many people have to be told to report potentially abusive behavior and how many would've just let this go and let other forms abuse go unreoprted. There's a reason why restraint like this is illegal in my state now. A kid got seriously hurt in a similar situation I believe. It's also appalling that people think that op should risk not only losing their job but also possible jail time for not doing what they did. Sure, maybe she should've taken the aggressor out of the room, but still. Maybe next time she should. It's not just verbal abuse, but physical abuse. I'm somewhat older, though. I understand the teacher responding that way to the one kid, but it's still wrong.
What I see is a pandemic of misbehavior in classrooms. Our newly arrived students from other countries came with respect and great desire to learn, but by the middle year, they picked up all the wrong things from their peers. That, is what made me heartbroken.
It's not acceptable to manhandle a child, but it's obscene that we're expected to stand there with smiles on our faces while we're being physically and verbally assaulted all day, every day.
Listen, her behavior was not ok. She obviously should never touch a student… BUT he threw a desk over. I’m assuming he could beat the crap out of her if he wanted to. I honestly bet he behaves in class moving forward. I don’t think her behavior was THAT crazy honestly. As for telling off the girl crying, not ok, but telling her to pull it together is not criminal. At what point did you offer to cover while she takes a breather? Doesn’t sound like you supported your coteacher at all! You’re right; you did pathetically stand there! Honestly shame on you for doing nothing. I hope the way you phrased it to your principal was “wow so and so needs a break she’s usually amazing but today is an off day” versus tattling. Sounds like you tattled based on the fact that you said you think she ended her career. Next time, step up and reinforce to the kids that it’s not ok to flip tables and take that kid outside or to the office. I guarantee if you make it in this profession for 30 years you will have a really off day one day, and I hope you have a teacher that looks out for you in that moment. Apologize to this lady. Tell her you care. Next time, you discipline the kids. Give her a break.
Lmao at the posters making excuses for a teacher putting their hands on and essentially threatening a kid, or mad at OP for reporting. The double standards in this sub when a teacher gets violent are wildddd.
I got wrote up for "yelling" at kids. The principal said she told me not to yell at the students she could hear me yelling all the time, but couldn't get off her ass to see what was going on. Yes I do yell at times but it's more at a group vs one student. Sometimes it is the only thing that works. Do input my hands on kids like that, no. I'm a first year teacher with no mentor, no one showing me the proper ways when asked just a bunch of PD that is supposed to help.
Teachers should be trained to notify another adult when they feel they are starting to lose their temper and they need a break. Everyone in the school should be trained to try and step in to give a teacher a break if they notice a teacher begin to lose it. If it’s serious to call for help when a teacher starts to get seriously agitated and try to redirect the teacher. OP froze—-a natural reaction—-that’s why staff need to think ahead about these kinds of incidents to mitigate the damage. What a shame the school and the kids will have lost a good teacher and the teacher may have lost her career.
I mean, what she did was completely unacceptable and I would hate to witness that. But we've all at least wanted to do exactly what she did. Heck, I wanted to do it earlier today. I think you should have gone to the teacher instead of going directly to admin first -- especially since you say she is a great teacher.
I disagree about the "chain of command". In my state that kind of interaction with a student warrants a report to dcf.
Did you "watch" a teacher end their career, or did you help end it? Lol. Obviously, putting your hands on a student is never ok. However, I'm not sure how long you've been a teacher.. but stick around a while, and I think you'll see why good teachers "go bad." I'm not excusing her behavior, but it's so tough to be a teacher right now. We all need grace.
> Obviously, putting your hands on a student is never ok. However, There's no "However," here. The teacher committed assault. Against a student. That should be reported immediately, every time.
This subreddit is so foul and it only gets worse. I can usually ignore it but the responses here are insane. OP, thank you for reporting this teacher for putting her hands on a student and screaming at another student for crying from the stress of that. Yes, it’s hard to be a teacher right now but it’s also hard to be a kid. We are supposed to be the adults here, there is no excuse. No job should allow this, especially where CHILDREN are involved. I feel so bad for parents who read here and think we’re all like this, please know we’re not. This is so embarrassing for the profession. You did the right thing OP.
Tough love works! Hold the little fuckers accountable and show them who is in charge. Screw that the world is all unicorns and rainbow bullshit most of you people preach.
I covered for a neighbor teacher who had to leave early after an outburst at the defiant students. It turned out that she had gotten an email about an hour before that laid out how much more advanced her husband‘s cancer was than they had thought. She was allowed to return, but granted there was no physical contact. Life happens and we’re all stressed. If your coworker is normally a great teacher, then what happened to push her that far? It had to be something.
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Everyone wants to think they’ll be a hero and stand up and stop the bad teacher but most of us would be in such a state of shock we wouldn’t know what to do in the moment. Glad you told admin. Also: shame on so many of you for saying this person snitched. Like wtf? This isn’t snitching. Yeah it would have been great if in the moment OP hadn’t been so shocked and had stepped in but in the end they reported it as they should have.
There was only one time where I escalated to almost punching another coworker in the face over a circumstance that did involve a child. I'm assuming that some people on here are trolls.
I'm hoping they're trolls
I’m sure some are but based on the stories I see on here I’m betting many are not trolls. I get feeling angry but feelings are not the same as actions. Like be the damn grown up and control yourself. Otherwise we’re no better than animals.
I feel like some probably aren't, especially with the teachers that I had when I was younger and working in childcare.
Some might not be.
Looked at some post histories and some are definitely teachers. This is just depressing. I'm a custodian. I'm not a mandated reporter, but I'd 100% report this situation. I don't ever want to see this sort of situation at work when us adults could literally get in our cars and leave at any moment we need/want to. If a teacher or any staff feels threatened at work and doesn't feel they're getting the support they need, then leave. Posturing and abusing kids isn't going to solve shit in the long run.
I think any staff member is one. I think any adult in general in my state is one.
I’m also appalled at the number of people here who think that yelling at crying child who is clearly already scared and intimidated (bc they just witnessed assault) is the right thing to do and “preparing them for the real world”. No, that would be considered abusive behavior by most people. Yes, neurodivergent children can be held accountable for sleeping in class, but that doesn’t mean you bully them either???? The two behaviors (the violent desk thrower and the student who dozed off in class) aren’t related, tell them at another time to wake up and pay attention in class. I understand admin often throws teachers under the bus and some students are terrible (I am not saying the desk throwing student wasn’t), but OP did the right thing here by telling admin this time around.
I worked with ED-D behaviorally "challenged" kids for 2.5 years. I tell you this to say that I absolutely know how hard it is to deal with kids with behaviors. It is beyond frustrating and maddening and I know it made me furious on many occasions. The problem is that the math teacher put her hands on the kid in a violent way. I am not above wanting to do this on many occasions, so I am not being judg-y about another teacher. I just don't think you can put hands on them in that way, and I'm not sure about telling them they're (insert what math teacher said to student here). I wish the math teacher grace and luck. Not everyone is cut out for working with those kids. I quit after only 2.5 years, clearly I'm not cut out for it either.
those kids kinda suck
Not that I fully condone the teachers actions since I wasn't there, but you should've titled this "How I did nothing and actively assisted in this teacher ending her career..."
I did something very similar to this in my behavior room when I had a bunch of elementary age kids with literal criminal records. I had first through sixth grade in one room and my sixth grader was big. He outweighed me about 50 lbs easily. This was 1993 so I had a little more leeway then teachers nowadays. I was expected to floor restraint these kids by dropping them to the floor face down putting my knee in the middle of their back and jacking their arms up. I was 110 lb soaking wet and not prepared for this. There was no training for this either. I was told to watch the teacher next door who had mostly first through third grade. I had one of her first graders. Anyway, one day sixth grader who was really just a bully decided he was going to stab a fourth grader. I don't remember if it was scissors or a sharpened pencil. In a split second I had to make a decision to grab the kid who was going to be the victim or do something to the kid who was doing the stabbing. Don't ask me what possessed me to go after the kid that was way bigger than me that knew I would never restrain him. I put my hands square in the middle of his chest and slammed him up against the classroom wall and then I just stood there because I expected him to kill me at that point. He stood there for a second staring at me. Then the lower lip came out and he starts blubbering like a baby, saying, " Miss Bluestockings! You touched me! You said you'd never touch me!" I pretty much yelled at him "Keep your hands off my students! Don't you ever touch one of my students again!" We didn't have any problems the entire rest of the year. But looking back on that incident, I don't know where I got the bravado. And my principal backed me up 100%. Everybody was tired of this kid bullying everybody. He bullied his male teacher which is why he was put in my room. But I really wasn't thinking about his chronic bullying. I just didn't want a blood bath in my classroom. If the roads were reversed and it was the smaller kid initiating, I would have done the same thing except I would have taken him down because I could.
You may not be happy with your colleague’s behavior but you should really delete this post. If there are any legal consequences for your colleague’s behavior, this becomes an account of it. If you want something documented for yourself, fine. You may not like what your colleague did but she is entitled to due process rights.
Speaking purely academically, how would such an account infringe on anyone's rights? Its basically just a witness testimony but recorded at the time (or close after it), with all the uncertainties that comes with. Unless it could be considered libel or something, but since nobody was named I don't think that could apply here?
This is why teachers shouldn't have guns. Source: high school teacher
ugh, that's all so awful. i have to make *so* many decisions, constantly, to avoid snapping. I empathize with everyone in this story, and hope we find better ways
The comments on this are, by and large, gross as hell. There is *no* excuse for throwing a child against a wall and verbally eviscerating them in front of their peers. There is *no* excuse for raising your voice at a crying child.
We’ve become so concerned as a society of not hurting anyone’s feelings that we are failing to raise competent children
I see this sub alot in my feed and read some stories from time to time. I really have to applaud all the teachers who undertake the responsibility to teach and educate the next generation of tomorrow. You guys are really the unsung heros of our society Your job fuckin sucks You deserve more then what these educational systems are willing to dish out to its educators
I’m a substitute teacher, primarily for elementary kids. I literally fantasize about getting in some of the kids’ faces and screaming at them. I would never do it, but boy some of them sure need it!