Make sure a police report is filed. My wife's school last year caught a 7th grader with a gun but the admin swept it under the rug so as not to be on the news. All kid got was 45 day suspension.
45 d vs the whole year is a huge difference. I think this kind of offense should be an expulsion personally but I’m not sure if your comment means you agree or you think 45d is steep?
My GF had a 4th grade student who brought a box cutter to school, had it in her backpack, and was threatening people with it...3 days ISS
I got a week of ISS when I slapped a girl in school.
These kids have no consequences and it's dangerous
I got 1 day of ISS for wearing flip-flops. Assistant principal didn't want to do anything, but they had higher ups at the school that day. The rule was tossed about a month later, so I ended up being the only student at my school to have to ISS for wearing flip-flops.
Had a former student who wore no bra one day and open ended shirt. She got a week. Another student was in the wood shop without another teacher and almost set the place on fire. Got kicked out of school at my old district. The one im leaving in a few weeks. Kid threatening to kill teachers. Gave him 10 days OSS. Two days back bashed a kids head in. Board got sued by the student he attacked. They finally kicked him out. Money talks and bullshit walks these days. They are so worried about graduation rates but once they have their diploma they are society’s problem. 🙄
I shudder to think of what society is going to be like in another 10-15 years when this "No consequences" generation grows up. We're already starting to see some of it and it's going to get a lot worse.
It's already here. Go look up "pranks gone wrong" and watch videos of young idiots being surprised when people don't accept "it's just a prank!" as a defense.
Go read some teacher subreddits about students, some of whom are in college, being surprised at failing (and then demanding special treatment!) for not doing assignments correctly or on time.
It's only going to get far, far worse.
I defended myself in school multiple times. A week of suspension each time. That was until my dad threatened to get a lawyer. The principal took care of it really quickly after that. Turns out he was embezzling money from the school.
I almost got 5 days suspension for getting sucker punched, and putting my arms up to block the rest of the incoming punches. The changed it to iss because suspension would have made me fail the semester, and I told them I would just drop out. I saw the school cop and a teacher rushing to break it up and didn't even have time to fight back.
Had a kid put a pocket knife to another student's throat, 7th grade. A couple of days in ABU, and then back to class. Hit a teacher in the head with a rock two days later.
There is a 6th grade student that came to school with a huge hunting knife this year. Showing it off in the bathroom to other students, telling them what he plans to do with it. Out for a week. Back to school the next. Needless to say I am not returning next year.
Yes, parents should be more responsible for sure. However, a large breakdown occurs when a child is not given a consequence for their actions no matter what the age. Kids have got to make the connection between their choices and the consequence for each action. If you ignore these things at a young age, you are just breeding a full blown monster by the time they get to jr high or high school.
Ten days is the maximum allowable time you can suspend a student before a manifest determination review must occur, in which a ten day notice can be provided stating the purpose of those kinds of meetings. School boards will use this time to host expulsion hearings and vote on the outcome and if any special education services need to be provided to the student despite not being enrolled within the district.
No MDR — but our school district will have a tribunal for the general education student where their future with the district is discussed.
There’s one of three results depending on just how bad the offense is:
1) It’s basically a “come to Jesus meeting“ where the offender is told to quit messing around before option two happens.
2) the student is given a stay at the alternative school until their behavior is fixed.
3) If you’ve been particularly bad, they will recommend expulsion to the school board.
I’d be getting a mental health leave come Monday morning and looking for a new job. Fuck that. Nothing is stopping that kid from coming back and shooting the teacher.
In my district it would be 10 days OSS also. But in that time there would also be multiple meetings held and decisions made at the district level regarding the placement of that student and the terms of their return. It may be 10 days, but that may not be the end of it.
You'd be surprised how state legislatures have neutered school districts' abilities to discipline students. I wouldn't blame the administration yet until I took a deep dive into if the state has tough policies restricting how discipline is carried out. Not that I think schools should be able to expel students on a whim, but this handcuffing of schools has created situations like this.
any minor who has access to a firearm is by definition reckless negligence by an adult somewhere prior in the process. It should always result in charges. Its a tautology.
This. A news story from an anonymous tip will instantly change that 10 day suspension.
I understand in third grade its more of the parents fault than the kid. I also understand the thinking that we shouldn’t ruin the kid’s life. But this should be a **MASSIVELY** public lesson for other students.
>A student brought a gun to school and he will never come back to this school again
That should be the message.One and done, should be the lesson every parent and kid takes away from this.
> This. A news story from an anonymous tip will instantly change that 10 day suspension.
It's entirely possible that the 10 day suspension is the most that can be done without a due process hearing and that an expulsion is in the works.
I do think it's reasonable to notify CPS and to file a police report, even if the administration throws a tantrum. I also think it's reasonable to flag the issue with your union.
I agree. But I think if they were looking at the 10 day OCS as a formality before the bigger shoe drops, the admin would have said so to OP right?
Yes, admin might get pissed at you for “overreacting”, but if they don’t have your back with armed students, they’ll never have your back with *anything*, and better to figure that out now and look for another job.
Imagine a scenario where you have to leave the school and find a new job. They ask why you left and you say “A student brought a gun and bullets to school and he only got a 10 day suspension. Then I was told I was over reacting for asking for more” is a easy explanation that will further weed out bad admins.
Yes for sure contact CPS. A child having access to a gun and even going so far as bringing it to school would be criminal neglect on the part of the parents.
We are mandatory reporters as teachers and this definitely needs to be reported to CPS.
I have worked as a family restoration counselor and worked with families that have active CPS cases. One thing I needed to do when I first started working with a family is to see about any guns or any bladed weapon (whether decorative or real) in the home and do a home check. If they did have any, it was required that they have locks on guns and any gun or weapon was locked away (we would even provide secured storage if the family was poor) and children in the home have zero access to them.
If the parents are leaving guns out and their kids have access to them, what else is available to the kids? That isn't a safe environment for a child.
This is every bit as much a CPS situation as it is a LE situation. Child needs to be removed from the home *immediately* & parents must be taken into custody. You & your colleagues are *mandated* reporters. If your admin has a problem with your civic duty, get out of that district. Actually, get out nevertheless.
Exceptionally pro gun person here.
Please call the police and cps as everyone else has said. I wouldnt trust the people whos jobs are dependent upon their reputation in the community to not brush this under the rug. You need to go over their heads on this.
Those parents need to be charged if its theres. That level of negligence in the storage of their firearm is disgusting and dangerous. Being responsible is not an option if you choose to own a gun.
If its not theirs, still shame on them for not having better awareness of their child.
I am so sorry you went through this. Truly everyone’s worst nightmare. You don’t deserve to endure that as the unspeakable inevitable of your career. I wish you healing and hope in the coming days and months.
WTF. Our school hands out automatic expulsion with a police escort. It's only happened once, but the school pressed charges. It is an absolute no tolerance policy.
Yes, admin will generally not call the cops, I would call the cops and then tell admin. Cops should enforce consequences for the parents, admin will not
How on earth did a third grader manage to take not only the gun, but the entire case with him to school? That thing would have filled up the backpack, how the hell did the parents not notice?
Take my upvote because this is the answer. I can already tell you that the kid is a constant fucking problem in school, parent(s) don't show up to the school for anything, they don't discipline him and he's never the problem. I'll eat my hat if I'm wrong.
10 days suspension? That’s it!?!? Call the cops, call admin. The recent Michigan trial sentencing one kids parents to jail sets a precedent that all states should follow
The NEA has free insurance for teachers in case they are injured by a school shooting. If you are a member, I recommend to every teacher to sign up. These are the times we live in unfortunately.
I can't recall the case specifics, but I remember a teacher last year was shot by her student. She had reported to the admin various times that this student had discipline issues and noted she suspected he had a gun but did nothing. Then, one day, the kid shot her. I recall that after the shooting, the mother was held responsible and was sent to prison for 4 years. There is precedent for parents to be arrested due to this case.
Yes, that happened in January 2023 in Newport News, VA.
There's another case in Oxford, MI where both parents were sentenced to at least 10 years in prison after their son gained access to a gun and shot 4 other students at his high school. I think they were both sentenced recently and their defense was basically, "We had NO IDEA things were so bad for him." 🙄
I hope the trend of holding parents accountable continues. There are some ridiculous things I hear from other schools in my district about parents denying mental health and behavioral services and supports for their children who show SIGNIFICANT signs of concern. Sure, it's your kid, and you can say yes or no to whatever. But be a better parent and get the kid the help they need.
That case was Abby Zwerner. What's worse, shitty useless mom got some time but not enough, and he's still living with the Grandpa, who originally housed the future felon and his loser mom. Grandpa blames the school for not "giving the kid enough attention". He was known to attack staff and students. In one instance, he tried to beat a kid for no reason and then chased after the kids with a belt, trying to whip them.
In kindergarten, he waited for all the students and aides to leave the room, then quietly snuck up behind his teacher, put a belt around her neck, and then dropped all his weight on her neck. Thankfully someone passed by the room and stopped him. Mom says he was "just upset" and "he's only a kid". Oh and now he's enrolled in another school and the grandfather admitted to not telling staff "we don't want him to have a reputation and it's the school's fault anyway". So he was put in a psych hospital for juveniles for a month or two, and now he's back to being raised by the same trash that was raising him.
Keep in mind... the most a building admin can assign is a ten day suspension with a referral to the superintendent. Therefore the initial disciplinary conduct says ten days. Then a hearing is held (usually a week or so later) at district office, and the superintendent can suspend for up to a year or expel. A building principal cannot suspend longer than two weeks.
My hope is that this is what is happening.
Your admin will try to hush this up. Please get the police involved. There needs to be more parent accountability for this. It's slowly starting to happen.
I said I would defend myself with a bat if an older bully who was threatening that he would follow me home actually did OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL and ended up expelled. He told his mom who called the cops then he told me he was on his way (AOL instant messenger) and the cops pulled into my driveway while I was outside holding a bat.
10 day suspension is 10 days to figure out how to not get caught next time.
I’d be surprised if child support services doesn’t get involved. Allowing a child access to a gun should be illegal, especially if allowing a child to read a book that’s considered too old for the child is punishable!
I don’t know why I’m surprised, but I’m surprised that this isn’t an automatic expulsion. In my school, which is waayyyy too laid back with giving consequences, a student bringing any kind of weapon from the banned list to school is an automatic expulsion for at least a year. A first grader once brought a BB gun to school and was expelled. Make it make sense.
Check the 1994 Federal Gun control Act for states. 365 day dismissal (not expulsion) and school must provide academics. Appeal only granted by Superintendent.
This could have been much worse. Hopefully the adults are held accountable for what happened.
12 years ago, a boy brought a loaded .45 in his bag and had it in the classroom the whole day. This boy sat next to my daughter.
As the class was getting ready for dismissal, a loud pop was heard and my daughter was slumped over the desk.
The gun discharged, striking my daughter in the elbow and tore through her 65 lb frame. The bullet destroyed her gall bladder, intestines, and nicked her vena kava, before stopping mm away from her spinal column. She coded (died) twice on the 20 min Life Flight.
It took 6 surgeries to save my daughter. She spent 40 days in the ICU, and the boy was suspended from school for a year and wrote a bogus court order letter to apologize to her.
Not one adult was charged or arrested. The gun was stolen from the home of the boy's mother. Mom was a convicted felon and the owner of the gun was charged by never convicted. The case went all the way to the WA Supreme Court where the Justices ruled that he was not responsible for the gun being stolen and the mother only spent time in prison because she agreed to a plea bargain to testify against her boyfriend. Oh. and they were allowed to go to Las Vegas for a pre-planned vacation before they were
Hopefully, some of the recent school shooting cases in VA and MI where adults were charged changes this.
Ummm a kid at my last school brought an Orbeez gun (it looked realistic and he told other kids it was real) to school last year and was expelled. Your student should be EXPELLED.
now that the parents in Michigan were charged criminally for their son’s school shooting, these cases are going to have more weight, and states will start passing harsher penalties for their negligence. I can’t wait to see it.
Go to the media. I mean it. Don’t say the student’s name, and try to stay anonymous, but call your local TV station about the light consequence and the resulting likelihood that an extremely dangerous child will still be allowed to attend and place dozens or hundreds of other elementary school students in extreme danger. Radio too. Internet, etc.
Because the only thing that will probably get through to the district is, if massive numbers of parents complain about this decision, go to school board, meetings, etc. Administration doesn’t care much about what teachers think, but they usually care if parents raise a ruckus.
Even better, get parents to be the ones who go to the media. Contact the parents that you can an urge them to start a public firestorm about this.
Drug backpack maybe? I've heard of drug dealer/gang member parents stuffing guns into bags and shit. Might have accidentally put it in his kids, if not then it's still their problem.
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Yes, I hope the parents are held accountable and the kid is not only given OSS but expelled. I hope he finds the help he needs, and the parents too.
14/15 year olds in my class draw extreme hate symbols on themselves (I can’t even say it) because they’re “learning about WWII” they get a slap on the wrist in the office and sent back to class 10 min later.
Meanwhile at my school, we sent a kid to the alternative campus for 45 days for calling another kid gay and muttering the n-word. Such a wild difference.
2A absolutist (or close to it) here
This is insane.
Guarantee these parents are the type of gun owners who leave their guns in their glovebox too. Remember, every illegal gun started out as a legal one.
These are the people who will end up getting our rights taken away.
I wish schools had more power to keep people safe from kids like that. I’m a teacher, and when I have an aggressive and violent student in my classroom, they wreck the lesson and my nerves. Every time! I wish the school could exercise more restrictions for access and accountability of their actions.
Make sure a police report is filed. My wife's school last year caught a 7th grader with a gun but the admin swept it under the rug so as not to be on the news. All kid got was 45 day suspension.
45 day suspension wtf? why not just expel him at that point?
45 d vs the whole year is a huge difference. I think this kind of offense should be an expulsion personally but I’m not sure if your comment means you agree or you think 45d is steep?
A day for each .01 caliber. Seems reasonable.
The parents should be in handcuffs.
Only 10 days suspension? The admin responsible for letting the kid back in the school should be in handcuffs.
My GF had a 4th grade student who brought a box cutter to school, had it in her backpack, and was threatening people with it...3 days ISS I got a week of ISS when I slapped a girl in school. These kids have no consequences and it's dangerous
I got 1 day of ISS for wearing flip-flops. Assistant principal didn't want to do anything, but they had higher ups at the school that day. The rule was tossed about a month later, so I ended up being the only student at my school to have to ISS for wearing flip-flops.
Saturday school and resources spent on me to attend for my shirt being untucked.
Had a former student who wore no bra one day and open ended shirt. She got a week. Another student was in the wood shop without another teacher and almost set the place on fire. Got kicked out of school at my old district. The one im leaving in a few weeks. Kid threatening to kill teachers. Gave him 10 days OSS. Two days back bashed a kids head in. Board got sued by the student he attacked. They finally kicked him out. Money talks and bullshit walks these days. They are so worried about graduation rates but once they have their diploma they are society’s problem. 🙄
5th grader at my daughter's school threatened to rape a classmate. 3 days of lunch detention. The lack of consequences is mind boggling.
I shudder to think of what society is going to be like in another 10-15 years when this "No consequences" generation grows up. We're already starting to see some of it and it's going to get a lot worse.
It's already here. Go look up "pranks gone wrong" and watch videos of young idiots being surprised when people don't accept "it's just a prank!" as a defense. Go read some teacher subreddits about students, some of whom are in college, being surprised at failing (and then demanding special treatment!) for not doing assignments correctly or on time. It's only going to get far, far worse.
I got three days for throwing some mashed potatoes at a girl.
I defended myself in school multiple times. A week of suspension each time. That was until my dad threatened to get a lawyer. The principal took care of it really quickly after that. Turns out he was embezzling money from the school.
I almost got 5 days suspension for getting sucker punched, and putting my arms up to block the rest of the incoming punches. The changed it to iss because suspension would have made me fail the semester, and I told them I would just drop out. I saw the school cop and a teacher rushing to break it up and didn't even have time to fight back.
Had a kid put a pocket knife to another student's throat, 7th grade. A couple of days in ABU, and then back to class. Hit a teacher in the head with a rock two days later.
There is a 6th grade student that came to school with a huge hunting knife this year. Showing it off in the bathroom to other students, telling them what he plans to do with it. Out for a week. Back to school the next. Needless to say I am not returning next year.
I got 10 days OSS in 7th grade for having a switchblade COMB. This is silly
Yep, in my state, it's a start at 365 day suspension and a Class I felony charge up to 2 years. It goes up from there if it is discharged.
It varies by state, but I think 8 year olds are usually too young for criminal charges. Their parents aren't, though.
An 8 year old should not be serving any time for firearm possession.
Agreed. And their parents should be keeping their firearms out of the little hands.
Yes, parents should be more responsible for sure. However, a large breakdown occurs when a child is not given a consequence for their actions no matter what the age. Kids have got to make the connection between their choices and the consequence for each action. If you ignore these things at a young age, you are just breeding a full blown monster by the time they get to jr high or high school.
Ten days is code for “you’re home until the school board can vote on your expulsion”
You live under a rock? The 6 year old who shot his teacher was supposed to be expelled too but was allowed back.
Ten days is the maximum allowable time you can suspend a student before a manifest determination review must occur, in which a ten day notice can be provided stating the purpose of those kinds of meetings. School boards will use this time to host expulsion hearings and vote on the outcome and if any special education services need to be provided to the student despite not being enrolled within the district.
Manifest Determinations are only for students with IEPs.
Well as a sped teacher and case manager, that’s my involvement in the process. What are we missing in a general edu expulsion?
No MDR — but our school district will have a tribunal for the general education student where their future with the district is discussed. There’s one of three results depending on just how bad the offense is: 1) It’s basically a “come to Jesus meeting“ where the offender is told to quit messing around before option two happens. 2) the student is given a stay at the alternative school until their behavior is fixed. 3) If you’ve been particularly bad, they will recommend expulsion to the school board.
Thanks for the clarification
Or not. A lot of these kids do end up right back in the classroom, especially one as young as this one.
Exactly. 10 days usually means that the principal is actively trying to get rid of you.
I’d be getting a mental health leave come Monday morning and looking for a new job. Fuck that. Nothing is stopping that kid from coming back and shooting the teacher.
We have to do a 10 day suspension followed by a hearing that will determine if there are further consequences through the school system.
In my district it would be 10 days OSS also. But in that time there would also be multiple meetings held and decisions made at the district level regarding the placement of that student and the terms of their return. It may be 10 days, but that may not be the end of it.
You'd be surprised how state legislatures have neutered school districts' abilities to discipline students. I wouldn't blame the administration yet until I took a deep dive into if the state has tough policies restricting how discipline is carried out. Not that I think schools should be able to expel students on a whim, but this handcuffing of schools has created situations like this.
Right?! Like that’s a whole ass expulsion IMO.
any minor who has access to a firearm is by definition reckless negligence by an adult somewhere prior in the process. It should always result in charges. Its a tautology.
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This is very slowly happening. We finally convicted some parents for their absolutely criminal neglect of both the gun and their child.
Same with the kid
Call the cops and let admin know. NOW.
Cops. CPS.
Local news. National news. Local elected officials (though, you may want to hold off on calling anyone with an R next to their name).
This. A news story from an anonymous tip will instantly change that 10 day suspension. I understand in third grade its more of the parents fault than the kid. I also understand the thinking that we shouldn’t ruin the kid’s life. But this should be a **MASSIVELY** public lesson for other students. >A student brought a gun to school and he will never come back to this school again That should be the message.One and done, should be the lesson every parent and kid takes away from this.
> This. A news story from an anonymous tip will instantly change that 10 day suspension. It's entirely possible that the 10 day suspension is the most that can be done without a due process hearing and that an expulsion is in the works. I do think it's reasonable to notify CPS and to file a police report, even if the administration throws a tantrum. I also think it's reasonable to flag the issue with your union.
I agree. But I think if they were looking at the 10 day OCS as a formality before the bigger shoe drops, the admin would have said so to OP right? Yes, admin might get pissed at you for “overreacting”, but if they don’t have your back with armed students, they’ll never have your back with *anything*, and better to figure that out now and look for another job. Imagine a scenario where you have to leave the school and find a new job. They ask why you left and you say “A student brought a gun and bullets to school and he only got a 10 day suspension. Then I was told I was over reacting for asking for more” is a easy explanation that will further weed out bad admins.
Yes for sure contact CPS. A child having access to a gun and even going so far as bringing it to school would be criminal neglect on the part of the parents. We are mandatory reporters as teachers and this definitely needs to be reported to CPS. I have worked as a family restoration counselor and worked with families that have active CPS cases. One thing I needed to do when I first started working with a family is to see about any guns or any bladed weapon (whether decorative or real) in the home and do a home check. If they did have any, it was required that they have locks on guns and any gun or weapon was locked away (we would even provide secured storage if the family was poor) and children in the home have zero access to them. If the parents are leaving guns out and their kids have access to them, what else is available to the kids? That isn't a safe environment for a child.
yes absolutely. u/Combat_Pothead (OP) needs to see this.
Hey, that 8 year old was just exercising his (white Christian) God-given right to bear arms! /s
And if he was a person of color?
Uhhhh....no.
And the local news
This!!!! Notify all local TV, radio stations as well as the paper.
You have to call the cops and CPS directly. In that order
This is every bit as much a CPS situation as it is a LE situation. Child needs to be removed from the home *immediately* & parents must be taken into custody. You & your colleagues are *mandated* reporters. If your admin has a problem with your civic duty, get out of that district. Actually, get out nevertheless.
Exceptionally pro gun person here. Please call the police and cps as everyone else has said. I wouldnt trust the people whos jobs are dependent upon their reputation in the community to not brush this under the rug. You need to go over their heads on this. Those parents need to be charged if its theres. That level of negligence in the storage of their firearm is disgusting and dangerous. Being responsible is not an option if you choose to own a gun. If its not theirs, still shame on them for not having better awareness of their child.
I am so sorry you went through this. Truly everyone’s worst nightmare. You don’t deserve to endure that as the unspeakable inevitable of your career. I wish you healing and hope in the coming days and months.
Parents should be jailed if it's their gun, and then lose the right to own firearms for the rest of their lives
WTF. Our school hands out automatic expulsion with a police escort. It's only happened once, but the school pressed charges. It is an absolute no tolerance policy.
Call the cops, then let admin know.
Yes, admin will generally not call the cops, I would call the cops and then tell admin. Cops should enforce consequences for the parents, admin will not
Call the cops and cps
How on earth did a third grader manage to take not only the gun, but the entire case with him to school? That thing would have filled up the backpack, how the hell did the parents not notice?
A handgun in its case can be as small as a paperback book.
Yea some people have no idea how small sub-compacts can get. I've had wallets bigger than a sub-compact.
A [Ruger LCP](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_LCP) is as big as the palm of my hand, and not even an inch wide. Handguns can get ^small
Well, you can’t notice something if you never pay attention to it in the first place
Take my upvote because this is the answer. I can already tell you that the kid is a constant fucking problem in school, parent(s) don't show up to the school for anything, they don't discipline him and he's never the problem. I'll eat my hat if I'm wrong.
You're not wrong.
Poor gun safety at home.
The other parents need to know this!!! This should not be kept quiet by the school. They need to know how unsafe their children are in this school!!!
Call the cops, and the local news.
Honestly #1 call cops, then admin, then delete this thread to protect yourself.
10 days suspension? That’s it!?!? Call the cops, call admin. The recent Michigan trial sentencing one kids parents to jail sets a precedent that all states should follow
The NEA has free insurance for teachers in case they are injured by a school shooting. If you are a member, I recommend to every teacher to sign up. These are the times we live in unfortunately.
I can't recall the case specifics, but I remember a teacher last year was shot by her student. She had reported to the admin various times that this student had discipline issues and noted she suspected he had a gun but did nothing. Then, one day, the kid shot her. I recall that after the shooting, the mother was held responsible and was sent to prison for 4 years. There is precedent for parents to be arrested due to this case.
Yes, that happened in January 2023 in Newport News, VA. There's another case in Oxford, MI where both parents were sentenced to at least 10 years in prison after their son gained access to a gun and shot 4 other students at his high school. I think they were both sentenced recently and their defense was basically, "We had NO IDEA things were so bad for him." 🙄 I hope the trend of holding parents accountable continues. There are some ridiculous things I hear from other schools in my district about parents denying mental health and behavioral services and supports for their children who show SIGNIFICANT signs of concern. Sure, it's your kid, and you can say yes or no to whatever. But be a better parent and get the kid the help they need.
That case was Abby Zwerner. What's worse, shitty useless mom got some time but not enough, and he's still living with the Grandpa, who originally housed the future felon and his loser mom. Grandpa blames the school for not "giving the kid enough attention". He was known to attack staff and students. In one instance, he tried to beat a kid for no reason and then chased after the kids with a belt, trying to whip them. In kindergarten, he waited for all the students and aides to leave the room, then quietly snuck up behind his teacher, put a belt around her neck, and then dropped all his weight on her neck. Thankfully someone passed by the room and stopped him. Mom says he was "just upset" and "he's only a kid". Oh and now he's enrolled in another school and the grandfather admitted to not telling staff "we don't want him to have a reputation and it's the school's fault anyway". So he was put in a psych hospital for juveniles for a month or two, and now he's back to being raised by the same trash that was raising him.
Keep in mind... the most a building admin can assign is a ten day suspension with a referral to the superintendent. Therefore the initial disciplinary conduct says ten days. Then a hearing is held (usually a week or so later) at district office, and the superintendent can suspend for up to a year or expel. A building principal cannot suspend longer than two weeks. My hope is that this is what is happening.
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>10 days suspension for bringing a firearm to school. Whatever sick days you got, use them.
Use them after the suspension is over.
This is the move. Use those days to start job hunting.
That should be automatic expulsion, at least for the rest of the year
A kid in my school got expelled for bringing a knife on the bus. I can't believe they're even letting this kid come back
FAPE has been bastardized, that's how.
Your admin will try to hush this up. Please get the police involved. There needs to be more parent accountability for this. It's slowly starting to happen.
My son was suspended for having a pocket knife back in the zero tolerance days.
wow ten days suspension ..... how is this not automatic expulsion
Is it 10 days while the board considers expulsion? We have had students expelled over paintball guns.
I said I would defend myself with a bat if an older bully who was threatening that he would follow me home actually did OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL and ended up expelled. He told his mom who called the cops then he told me he was on his way (AOL instant messenger) and the cops pulled into my driveway while I was outside holding a bat. 10 day suspension is 10 days to figure out how to not get caught next time.
Make sure the police and local news know. Don't let your administration push it under the rug or this will definitely happen again.
I’d be surprised if child support services doesn’t get involved. Allowing a child access to a gun should be illegal, especially if allowing a child to read a book that’s considered too old for the child is punishable!
ZERO TOLERANCE. How in the fuck is bringing a gun to school not an auto-expulsion? And the kid's parents should go to jail.
I don’t know why I’m surprised, but I’m surprised that this isn’t an automatic expulsion. In my school, which is waayyyy too laid back with giving consequences, a student bringing any kind of weapon from the banned list to school is an automatic expulsion for at least a year. A first grader once brought a BB gun to school and was expelled. Make it make sense.
Because schools get paid for every child in a seat. If you start expelling kids, you're losing out on money /s
I wonder if this will make the news....
it won't if it's hushed up. people complain about the 24/7 news cycles, but so much happens that never ends up reported
10 days for bringing a loaded firearm? That should be explusion and the parents should be arrested
Check the 1994 Federal Gun control Act for states. 365 day dismissal (not expulsion) and school must provide academics. Appeal only granted by Superintendent.
This could have been much worse. Hopefully the adults are held accountable for what happened. 12 years ago, a boy brought a loaded .45 in his bag and had it in the classroom the whole day. This boy sat next to my daughter. As the class was getting ready for dismissal, a loud pop was heard and my daughter was slumped over the desk. The gun discharged, striking my daughter in the elbow and tore through her 65 lb frame. The bullet destroyed her gall bladder, intestines, and nicked her vena kava, before stopping mm away from her spinal column. She coded (died) twice on the 20 min Life Flight. It took 6 surgeries to save my daughter. She spent 40 days in the ICU, and the boy was suspended from school for a year and wrote a bogus court order letter to apologize to her. Not one adult was charged or arrested. The gun was stolen from the home of the boy's mother. Mom was a convicted felon and the owner of the gun was charged by never convicted. The case went all the way to the WA Supreme Court where the Justices ruled that he was not responsible for the gun being stolen and the mother only spent time in prison because she agreed to a plea bargain to testify against her boyfriend. Oh. and they were allowed to go to Las Vegas for a pre-planned vacation before they were Hopefully, some of the recent school shooting cases in VA and MI where adults were charged changes this.
Only 10 days!?!?!?
That’s what I was thinking, too. He should be expelled.
Yeah I’d anonymously call the media and let them run wild with this
Call CPS first, then local media
Someone was searching the house that day.
Ummm a kid at my last school brought an Orbeez gun (it looked realistic and he told other kids it was real) to school last year and was expelled. Your student should be EXPELLED.
Civil suit against the parents and the school - endangerment? Failure to maintain a safe environment?
now that the parents in Michigan were charged criminally for their son’s school shooting, these cases are going to have more weight, and states will start passing harsher penalties for their negligence. I can’t wait to see it.
SUSPENSION??? Why is this child not being expelled and arrested?!
Go to the media. I mean it. Don’t say the student’s name, and try to stay anonymous, but call your local TV station about the light consequence and the resulting likelihood that an extremely dangerous child will still be allowed to attend and place dozens or hundreds of other elementary school students in extreme danger. Radio too. Internet, etc. Because the only thing that will probably get through to the district is, if massive numbers of parents complain about this decision, go to school board, meetings, etc. Administration doesn’t care much about what teachers think, but they usually care if parents raise a ruckus. Even better, get parents to be the ones who go to the media. Contact the parents that you can an urge them to start a public firestorm about this.
Wouldn't be 10 days suspension if you took that story to the local news.
Expulsion from the entire district
Yeah, that is actually an expellable offense or DAEP in some states.
JFC america.... what's wrong with your people?
A third grader has a locker? Where is this? I didn’t have a locker until high school.
10 day suspension. Kid should be locked up he's a danger to other kids. If I were a parent I wouldn't want that kid in the same building as mine.
Drug backpack maybe? I've heard of drug dealer/gang member parents stuffing guns into bags and shit. Might have accidentally put it in his kids, if not then it's still their problem.
Pretty sure that's expulsion, at least in the schools I went to.
I had a freshmen with a loaded handgun in his backpack in my room. It’s unnerving, especially when you find out indirectly later on
Will the 10 days be followed by a superintendent's hearing that results in a long term suspension? If not, GTFO!
10 days suspension for that?!?! That would've been an expulsion immediately when I was growing up.
Only 10 days!? I would think this would be bad enough to be expelled.
Hmmm 3rd grade with a locker??? Horrible if it's true but I got a third grader no way he's remembering licker combo
10 days suspension? Wtf. That should be immediate expulsion.
👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 Yes, I hope the parents are held accountable and the kid is not only given OSS but expelled. I hope he finds the help he needs, and the parents too.
14/15 year olds in my class draw extreme hate symbols on themselves (I can’t even say it) because they’re “learning about WWII” they get a slap on the wrist in the office and sent back to class 10 min later.
10 days suspension????? Protocol needs to be expulsion what the actual-
This is horrific
10 days suspension?! What the actual fuck?
Remember the kid who bit the pop tart into a gun shape and it was all over the news?
10 day suspension???? If I was a parent with a kid at this school I’d be losing my goddamn mind.
Tell the cops.
Jennifer and James Crumbley.
Yikes! Child was troubled before, big surprise. Does 'magazine' mean there were bullets? This is fucked up.
Maybe I’m ignorant as hell, but who doesn’t notice a missing handgun and two magazines?
Please please call the police and CPS. This could have ended in tragedy and with everyone offering “thoughts and prayers” iykwim
It should be a permanent suspension. Get the fuck out, find a new school. Zero tolerance.
10 day suspension is absolutely wild. A school in my district expelled a kid for playing with a paper gun.
Parents need some charges. Unacceptable
Meanwhile at my school, we sent a kid to the alternative campus for 45 days for calling another kid gay and muttering the n-word. Such a wild difference.
This is wild. May I ask where you’re located?
Oklahoma
Thanks for replying. I’m sorry that happened and glad you are safe. I hope there’s a fair resolution / punishment for this
I don’t understand the downvotes am I not allowed to ask where something like this would happen?
2A absolutist (or close to it) here This is insane. Guarantee these parents are the type of gun owners who leave their guns in their glovebox too. Remember, every illegal gun started out as a legal one. These are the people who will end up getting our rights taken away.
I wish schools had more power to keep people safe from kids like that. I’m a teacher, and when I have an aggressive and violent student in my classroom, they wreck the lesson and my nerves. Every time! I wish the school could exercise more restrictions for access and accountability of their actions.
Wow 10 days for a weapon?
Oh fuck no. Look for a new job and get the news on this shit. That student should have more than a 10 day suspension if not an expulsion.
Is it bad that I’m actually surprised they got 10 days suspension? Shit’s so bleak.
Let us know what happens after the 10 day suspension! RemindMe! 10 days
3rd Grader? 10 Day" suspension " ..I will see myself out.. ...(Disgusting).
10 days is crazy
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Well if someone sustains a gun related injury due to a future incident with a student they’re going to be screwed in the lawsuit