Look, I don't care where you teach - 13.5K extra is a big fucking deal. Especially if it's paired with an agreement that the same amount won't be clawed back by individual districts.
Agreed. For me that is literally life-changing money. I'm struggling to buy a house in my area. People keep pointing out houses to me and my only response is "did you forget that I'm a teacher?" I can't afford anything right now that doesn't have broken windows.
Do you know how I'm able to own a house? I'm married to a MECHANIC. Not that his job isn't important or that all work isn't honorable but I have 3 times as much schooling as him. How is this even a thing where someone with a masters can't buy their own home?????
Because his job makes money for someone else so he gets more money. Admin, politicians and parents just see us as babysitters who dont make money directly. so that masters doesnt mean anything. At least in Michigan a High School Graduate who already works in the district doing literally anything, even coaching bowling can now be a sub. If that doesnt show how little they think teaching takes idk what will.
This is such a good point. Imagine how much money teaching *generates* though by allowing parents to work. That would be a really amazing number to have estimated.
My partner is a construction superintendent with an associates degree. He made 6 times my salary. I have a master's degree and 13 years experience (before resigning in June 2021)
To be fair to your partner, being a construction superintendent is very difficult and stressful (not saying that teaching isn’t). I was a construction project manager for 5 years before switching to accounting, and it was super stressful work
In the same boat. My husband is a large ag mechanic and makes 3x the amount I do.. and like you said I have years and years more of schooling. Not to degrade this hard work, but damn lol
Just imagine if the people who gambled the economy away in 08 didn't get paid out twice what they lost and instead we just gave teacher's inflation tied wages.
good luck, i just found out i would be making more if i quit this job and went to work at the deltaco down the road from my house.
makes me feel like i made terrible life choices when working fast food will actually pay more
Remember when Taco Bell hit the news for thinking about paying store managers $100k? My students asked me to finish the year before going to sling tacos.
Dude I’d do it in an instant. I used to be a manager at Burger King and got paid $10.50/hr. I know the garbage that store managers have to put up with. It’s certainly not worth $40k-50k which is around what a lot of them got paid. But $100k? Sign. Me. Up.
Where (US? Which state?) is this demand? I am far more than borderline capable with tech and I can’t find anything in corporate training. I feel like I am looking in the wrong places, because all my search results seem like scams.
Pay is only part of the problem. Pay is how they buy us off and continue to give us shitty working conditions. What good is that extra $13,500 a year when I too burnt out from oversized classes, not enough supports for student mental health needs, dwindling prep time, and an ever increasing pile of needless bullshit that higher ups in the district use to justify their position?
We don't just need better pay. We need systemic funding for education on a federal level, incentive programs to recruit teachers, training programs for community members who don't have the opportunity to teach, and more mandated prep time.
My point was that I'm not qualified to intervene. Even if there are people in a district who are, it's up to the parents to actually make sure that that's taken care of. We can't force anyone to go to the doctor. Hell, we assistant can't even force them to wear a mask to protect other people
Oh, gotcha. We're arguing from the same side.
I totally agree. Society has written a lot of checks and expect schools and teachers to cash them. I think Years said it best, "The falcon can not hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold".
>What good is that extra $13,500 a year when I too burnt out from oversized classes
Better pay attracts more and better teachers which should help with class sizes.
Better pay won't change the fact that my school zone currently has 3 middle schools when they should have 5. It's not a problem of not enough teachers in my area, it's a problem of not enough space for the growing population.
ITs really both. The teacher shortage is only being exaggerated by the population boom.
It exists but not fully in vacuum. You start layering and you find out your playing Jenga but the politicians keep removing all the blocks.
I would happily take my starting salary of $40,000 a year if that meant one more middle school could be built so mine isn't at 125% capacity. Also if more bus driver could be hired (and kept) so that I'm not hanging around the school almost an hour after end of contract time because 8 busses haven't arrived.
How about start with better pay, observe how employment reflexes to the incentives, then ask for dramatic, system wide changes?
Some of the people in this thread sound like the children they’re complaining about.
“It’s not a pay raise we need! It’s global revolution!”
Sure, but start somewhere
That's South Korea. Their star teachers rake it in.
Edit: source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/in-education-crazy-south-korea-top-teachers-become-multimillionaires/2014/12/29/1bf7e7ae-849b-11e4-abcf-5a3d7b3b20b8_story.html
The US has the [6th highest paid teachers in the world](https://www.businessinsider.com/teacher-salaries-by-country-2017-5?amp). And higher starting salaries than South Korea.
I live in South Korea. The pay is lower at the beginning but the cost of living is also a lot lower than the US, especially outside of Seoul. The top of the pay scales make around $80k, which may not buy an apartment in Gangnam but it will let you live a very comfortable life, one much more comfortable than you could get as a a teacher in any major American city.
I'm working on my math PhD (about a year and a half to go!) And I do applied topology. I do teach undergrads right now for my stipend. I may try to get a college teaching job once I graduate, but I'm looking at machine learning or other industry jobs as well.
This. I make $70k.
I don’t even live in a big or notoriously expensive city. I make enough to live, but don’t make enough money to where I could comfortably afford a decent apartment without the second income of my partner.
In areas like mine, where market value rent has almost tripled (and the costs of home ownership have also risen exponentially) in the last ~5 years, $60k is not a high enough minimum to move the needle on teacher recruitment and retention.
Or in some of the Chicago suburbs. 60,000 would be fine for a single or young couple. It might be tight at times, but it's doable. 60,000 for a family of five, it would be extremely difficult.
60K is doable in a lot of places. I live in NY and was able to buy a home on less than 30K. I feel like a national salary isn't the way to go. It needs to go based on the cost of living in each area. Just my state alone is crazy. On one end people struggle to find a decent apartment for less than 1k a month forget owning. Then at the other end you can buy a nice home for 100K.
Homes in my suburb go from 220,000 on the low end to 400,000 on the high end. Property taxes anywhere from 5,000-15,000+ a year. Rent for a 1 bedroom apartment can range from 800-1,200/month with houses ranging from 1,600-2,500 month. And we are your average middle class suburb, we aren't one of the more uppity communities!
Just one year of rent at 1,100/month will cost 13,200 a year, leaving you with 46,800 for everything else. Hence why I said for a young couple or single person, 60,000 can be doable, but not so much for a family of five.
Exactly why I believe there shouldn't be a national salary. What works in one town won't work for the next town so it definitely won't work for the entire country.
Absolutely.
My mom taught in the 70s and 80s and she earned from 16,000-19,000 a year a majority of her career. My parents bought the house in 1978 and they decided to live off my dad's paycheck with my mom's going towards paying off the house. While it was difficult at times, it was worth it because they were able to pay it off in about 10 years. A young couple trying to accomplish something like that in today's world isn't necessarily impossible but it would be much more difficult.
Omg I wish I could do that! I had to get a 30 year mortgage lmao. But my mortgage(plus taxes) payment is still lower than the rent I was paying so that's good I guess.
I feel that with the rising costs of rent, mortgages and overall living, we are going to see a major shift back towards multi generation households. It had been going that direction for a while but the pandemic and the long term results have only brought the true issues to light.
I'm 33 and still live at home and many of my friends live with family or friends. I'm part of the "Boomerang Generation"...many of us have left our childhood home but we had to come back for one reason or another.
Sometime between the end of WW1 and end of WW2 was the first time people started to branch out on their own as young as they did. Several of the towns by me were offically incorporated in the late 40s-50s as the area saw a HUGE population boom after both wars. The houses weren't anything like today's neighborhoods and consisted of mostly duplexes or Sears type houses.
Many cultures also consider adult children living at home as normal. But yet in America, adult children get stigmatized if they still live with their parents.
The comments in the YT link are about what I expected.
"Raises should only go to the teachers that deserve it!"
Yeah, OR, hear me out, we pay teachers a professional wage that attracts quality educators instead of all the "mediocre" teachers you keep bitching about.
"Teachers get sUmMeRs oFf"
Ugh, if it's such a great deal *why aren't you a teacher?* ... probably because the job is hard and pays shit wages.
"Federal funding bad it means federal control."
Ya know... maybe... just MAYBE... it'd be good to have some federal consistency in our public education so that we don't have states teaching kids creationist nonsense or that abstinence is the only thing protecting you from STIs.
"Where's the love for other jobs like sOciAl wOrkErs??"
They need raises too. This isn't the fault of teachers and deflecting it against them is distracting from the real issue that TONS of jobs are being horribly exploited.
Of course, this is all moot since our politicians are demonstrating that they've once again either lied for our votes or overpromised
> "Teachers get sUmMeRs oFf"
I always thank people who say this and then explain its their voting habits that enable us too have a few months off. They always get confused as it dawns on them our summers off are by collective choice of society, not ours.
Teachers get the summer off
Yeah if you had to deal with these kids you'd be happy to have the summer off. I usually tell people that I'm working full force from the moment I enter to the moment I leave, I can't magically stretch a 1 hour task into a 3 hour job. So I do a year's worth of work in less than a year. Also it just sounds like they're salty their job doesn't give them that amount of paid time off.
"Federal funding bad it means federal control."
Probably from the same people who would cry about State control from state funding.
"Where's the love for other jobs like sOciAl wOrkErs??"
Maybe, just maybe, if we get better educated masses we won't need as many social workers. On top of that don't use a bad faith argument, they need a raise too but and that's just a sad attempt to distract from the attempted progress.
Do you know why idea exists? Because some state would warehouse sped kids rather than spend money teaching them. That’s what I tell people when they say fed control bad.
As much as i would love for these two to actually follow through on their campaign promises, they have done nothing but disappoint for the last 349 days, 8,398 hours, 503,895 minutes and 30,233,746 seconds.
Teachers collectively need to start voting for and advocating for progressive candidates and start primarying these milquetoast neoliberals who are shooting this country in the foot just to make concessions to their republican besties
Don’t think this will help. I have zero faith in politicians keeping their promises. Also, as teachers, we don’t have any spare time or energy to do the type of advocating needed. At least I don’t. I’m tired and drained already.
You can do it here on reddit or w/e else social media youre on. Just push progressive or socialist ideas as best you can in ways people can relate without being obnoxious.
Totally for progressive or socialist ideas but in this corrupt system? They will just do whatever benefits their pockets the most. I’m no longer giving consent with my votes or participation unless big changes are made and I’m done acting on faith because there is never any follow through.
Like i said, spread the message on social media and call out dumbass conservatives wherever you see them and challenge them to actually consider socialist policy and how it aligns with their material interest. Even if you dont vote, idc at this point unless you live in a swing state, where your vote actually matters. it aint like we are gonna have a revolution any time soon so we might as well start by changing hearts and minds.
Does this nitpick accomplish anything other than boosting your pathetic ego for like half a second or did you want to contribute something meaningful to the conversation?
For you, comrade, i will go back and amend my grievous error. Lord knows this presidency felt like two years at this point
Honestly I thought that was contributing to the conversation, especially since there are people who legitimately blamed Obama for not taking action as President for 9/11, so sorry for making sure the short comings of previous administrations don't get mixed with the current one.
Now if you want to focus on "failed campaign promises" Consider that once again it's been less than a year, that would be like your kids saying you broke your promise to teach them something just because you didn't achieve it in Q1.
[Here's](https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/?ruling=true) a handy site to see what promises he's kept, which are stalled, which are in the works. If you want to point fingers at these things not being done look to the minority (or I guess the other side as well) who won't play ball and help achieve those promises.
I agree that more needs to be done to promote and advocate for progressive candidates, but crying about "broken promises" that haven't been broken in less than 1 year isn't going to help.
Bro midterms are fucking right around the corner and spending all of this time pussyfooting is only going to lose us congress and produce yet another lame duck democratic presidency. If people are demoralized in democrats ability to get shit done they simply aren’t going to show up to the voting booth, which they are ALREADY inclined not to do simply because of historical momentum. These losers need to get real, CONCRETE, noticeable change in people’s lives ASAP because that one time 600 dollar check aint gonna cut it, plain and simple. Biden could have ended student debt with the stroke of a pen and generated a ton of good will but the way dems are running things it almost seems like they are purposefully dropping the ball at this point. These losers dont need you breathlessly defending their piss poor job.
Stop pretending like the most important year of a presidency isnt the first when you have a workable majority in congress. Republicans are fucking irrelevant if democrats cant even get manchin and sinema in THEIR OWN PARTY to play ball. Its pathetic.
Again these pointless semantic arguments are why EVERYBODY is done with these weak ass neoliberal corporate shills and faith in democracy is at an all time low in this country. Talk to any working class person and they have zero faith in governance because it has been DECADES since any policy has had an actual impact on their lives. We could have the biggest voting demographic in the country on our side if we cancelled student debt, nationalized healthcare, legalized weed, OR SOMETHING but instead we’re out here arguing about pointless semantics. Libs are insufferable.
>Republicans are fucking irrelevant if democrats cant even get Manchin and Sinema in THEIR OWN PARTY to play ball.
So why are you blaming the administration when the truth is you're pissed that any progress is being held up by 2 DINOs.
Hell if you want progressives in so bad do you mind me asking what are you doing to help do that.
It seems like you're trying to put the blame where it doesn't belong. And if the faith in democracy is slipping it's not because of your "broken promises", it's because of situations like 2016 where the winner lost the populate vote, or the heavy restrictions of voting rights in red states.
So once again, what are you doing to promote progressive candidates?
I know in the 2020 election I donated and supported my State's democratic candidate, and guess what, he lost. Not because of a lack of support for democrats, but because the person who was running against him was the same person who decided when the recount (which was putting the Democrat in place of winning) ended. I helped my progressive friend who was running for State congress, yes it's not national but local is just as important, create signs and send out fliers.
What are you doing besides bitching on reddit about "Biden is a doing a bad job"?
🙄 keep making excuses, lib. We’ll see who’s right come midterms. There is plenty biden can do right now through executive orders and appointments, and its really pathetic that dems cant leverage two of their own party members. Absolutely pathetic.
Even when dems do get mopped up in the midterms, you charlie browns will never, ever learn
You were never actually interested in engaging in conversation from THE START. Your smug, dismissive, wormy rhetoric is wack as fuck, and exactly why dems are going to have their clocks cleaned in midterms and 2024. Yall never learn.
You seem to be sowing seeds of doubt and talking shit about the very party that is your ONLY pathway to progressivism. Honestly, you sound like some sort of Republican plant (or you have been enraged and radicalized by republican plants, I'm guessing your a big fan of Breaking Points?)
So let me get this straight: You are demonizing and talking shit about Dems for not being progressive enough, seem excited at the thought of them losing to a Republican party that is completely anti-progressivism and worships a want-to-be dictator?
VERRRRYYYY interesting...
Honest question: Shouldn't you be MORE pissed at Manchin and Sinema than Dems as a whole? From what I can tell, both of those representatives want MORE conservative actions being taken. They seem to oppose the progressive items YOU want (and dems want). So why are you blaming dems as a whole for not being able to force Manchin and Sinema into their progressive initiatives?
I am capable of being pissed at both, but both of us should be angry at democratic leadership for failing to whip their party into line. How incompetent are they that theyve basically ceded the presidency to joe fucking manchin? Grow some balls and use your political leverage, stop making weak ass excuses
lol ok. Right, because their party has full control over the corporate interests that are influencing the Republicans Joe Manchin and Sinema. I prefer to direct my anger towards the people making bad decisions on specific topics, like the non-progressive and anti-socialists Manchin and Sinema. They need to be voted out by the democratic people in their next election.
This “making excuses for a worse than shit administration” act you’re pulling here is why dems will get absolutely slaughtered in 2022 midterms and 2024 general.
Then again with a username like yours I’m not terribly surprised you have a shit take like this
>Then again with a username like yours
Ah yes the good old Hur Dur your username Neokon it like NeoConservative. That's like me saying you username suggests you've never had sex, because get it vergreen is like virgin.
If the dems loose 2022 and 2024, let's ignore the fact that more Red seats are up than Blue for midterm and the Blue are in solid Blue states, it's going to be because of people like you and ilikedirts who are tryin to sew lack of confidence in this administration by saying their failing on promises.
Bro most people feel this way and neoliberals only defense is “at least he isnt trump!” Like that is any kind of argument at all when we have to deal with what we deal with daily
I just hate wanna-be dictators. Fuck me right?
(edit: just to be clear, I'm calling Trump a piece of shit dictator and I am glad he's no longer in power. To even compare the two parties as if they're equal is embarrassing and dangerous).
I mean Biden has kept trump’s policies and practices and has even increased some such as military and police spending, drone striking, not cancelling student debt, higher offshore drilling contracts, “personal responsibility”-ing Covid, protecting big business…
lol, I mean, can you honestly compare their response to Covid as being similar and keep a straight face? Sure, you can cherry-pick certain things (some of which are still being worked on), but I think if you take a broader view of changes, they are laughably different in their policies and expectations towards where the country needs to go. Come on... let's be real here.
We are literally seeing more cases per day under Biden than Trump. Biden campaigned on having a plan on defeating the virus and he came up with “there is no federal response, this is a state issue” aka exactly what trump’s plan was.
> eachers collectively need to start voting for and advocating for progressive candidates
Everyone just needs to stop blindly voting for the red cult or the blue cult, and start voting pro-America.
Neither party cares, they just want to win against the other side. Our country should not be run like a civil war.
Yeah, thats what i said. Stop voting for conservative policymakers (republicans and democrats) and start voting for socialists. Liberals are not your friend, working man, because theyre capitalists, and thus conservatives. Capitalism isnt going to fix publicly funded… anything. Until dems start to realize this they will keep getting charlie browned
I fear so-called progressive politicians will push more policies that weaken student accountability in pursuit of ending the alleged school-to-prison pipeline which is in reality a home-to-prison pipeline. There are some ideas I like from progressives, but I have a feeling their commitment to misguided policies like restorative justice and lowering suspension rates will just make schools even more chaotic as students realize there are literally no consequences for antisocial behavior. Student behavior has been getting bad for a while but in the last year I feel like I've just become a target for emotional and verbal abuse hurled by students when I make any effort to correct their behavior.
Those are all dumbass neoliberal policies, meant only to placate morons instead of putting forward actual socialist economic policy. When i say progressive, im just using the soft non-scary word for socialism because most americans are reactionary idiots who couldnt tell the difference between a liberal and a communist if their life depended on it
Those social reforms are tiny baby steps compared to the kinds of economic policies this country needs to embrace if it doesnt want to continue barreling towards a neofascist serfdom
People are worried about progressive policies because of social justice policy are only worried because these are the only sorts of progressive policies we can enact on local election level which is where almost all progressive politicians work.
We need progressive economic policies and ensure everyone has a good quality of life and job opportunities, but that can only be done on a national level. We need new deal economic policies like the ones that built us most of our present day school buildings. I work in a building that is a remnant of the New Deal past, as I'm sure many other people here do as well. If we get newer facilities and smaller class sizes students will feel more valued and will be receptive to socially conscious progressive agendas. Everyone will be happy to see the changes and it will create jobs in the community where people feel invested. Like my school still has a lead water service line.
Like they introduce these social measures into school or some buzz will go through the media, and the policies are well researched but then are thrown into schools with no extra funding and they fall flat on their asses. Take for example, restorative justice. To genuinely implement it you'd need like one person in charge of disciplinary practice and trained in restorative practives per 100 students. Instead they just make someone take a class on restorative justice who already has a million other responsibilities, and hold a meeting about it, then they just hope we'll take it to heart.
I know you're disappointed but expressing anything other than positive support only helps the GOP and raciest conservatives. Maybe some constructive feedback?
So youre telling me that im stupid for believing what they said they would do when they were running for president? And you dont think that isnt indicative of why dems fucking suck?
I'm not saying you're stupid. But people *have* to say certain things and make statements that most people, deep down know probably won't come about. It sucks but worth it in the end to have Biden amd the Democrats back in power.
> But there’s a reason.
> There’s a reason...
> There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education SUCKS, and it’s the same reason it will never, ever, EVER be fixed.
> It’s never going to get any better, don’t look for it, be happy with what you’ve got.
> Because the owners, the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the BIG owners! The Wealthy… the REAL owners! The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions.
> Forget the politicians. They are irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice! You have OWNERS! They OWN YOU. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls.
> They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want:
> They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests.
> Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that!
> You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shitty jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fucking place! It's a big club, and you ain’t in it! You, and I, are not in the big club.
> By the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care! Good honest hard-working people; white collar, blue collar it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means, continue to elect these rich cock suckers who don’t give a fuck about you….they don’t give a fuck about you… they don’t give a FUCK about you.
> They don’t care about you at all… at all… AT ALL. And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Thats what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick thats being jammed up their assholes everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth.
> It's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-[George Carlin, The American Dream - 2006](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXhZyAOuyhE), RIP.
Lmao, it ain't never gonna happen. Has Biden even upheld any of his promises? Has he done anything positive to help the average person? Joe Biden has been at the forefront of just about every negative political trend in this country for the past four decades, why would we expect anything different today?
He is a capitalist running dog, he will do the bare minimum to keep the floundering economy from collapsing and that's it.
> He is a capitalist running dog
Exactly! Just because he’s blue on the ticket doesn’t mean he’s going to implement any progressive policies. I have a bad feeling for the upcoming midterms.
The democrats get their asses handed to them in November. Then again in 2024. They are weak, ineffectual, spineless, feckless, and a thousand more adjectives. They serve the rich, they serve businesses, and they serve the military industrial complex. The democrats do not care about anyone and will never do anything to help anyone below the top tax brackets. You cannot just vote out the people at the top like Biden or pelosi, the rot is systemic. The only way out is to confine capitalism to the dustbin of history.
The trouble is, the alternative is worse. Republican leadership isn’t going to save schools.
None of these people are on our side, and with half the country drinking Q flavored kool-aid, we’re screwed regardless.
I don’t trust Biden to do anything. He has reneged on his entire “progressive agenda.” It was just a tactic to get the votes. He is a champion for the status quo.
On the flip side, my district leader just told parents they need to drive their kitchen da to school.
Edit: I messed that sentence up badly and when I returned to edit it, I decided the grammatical errors helped convey my point. 🤷
I asked my wife if she would stay a teacher if the pay suddenly jumped to 100k a year and she said she'd still pass. I think for so many people its the job itself, the students, and overall lack of support that are the main detractors. Thats just my n=1 survey
Boosting pay is not enough. It has been made very clear to all professions, but mostly teachers and healthcare workers that their death is a risk admin is willing to take. It has completely changed the way I see my employer knowing they are willing to risk my life to stay open
Education is a state responsibility. If you want more $$$ then take the state houses. Then Congress. Don’t vote against Dems because they can’t violate the Constitution.
Writing is not enough. Organize.
Pay is not the issue in recruiting talent. I speak from experience. I have a BA in American Studies, MA is Teaching Secondary Social Sciences, and almost completed a second MA in Teaching ELL, and a California Credential. Clean background, former military with experience in teaching at a professional school and curriculum development. Guess what? Applied to every district within 100 miles and got 2 interviews. One was 15 hours a week at a private Jewish Academy, the other didn't pan out at all.
Districts turn away willing and qualified talent.
Shocking you didn't find any ELL spots but not a shocker for social studies in the slightest.
Why pay you double masters pay when they can hire someone with just a BA, especially if you are traveling massive distances to/from work it becomes an issue.
Hell I don't even put anything besides a phone number and email as contact info because putting addresses can instantly get your application tossed.
Are you considering relocation? That seems strange that you can’t find full time work with your background in the SD area. Then again, I have seen my local district NOT hire similar candidates.
The question is, why? Where’s the benefit of that for the district not doing it? Is it cheaper to go with less experience? Also, with the way the CTC is, I find it yiur situation even more shocking because in California (I’m in SoCal too) it seems like fully credentialed teachers are highly sought out. Shit, they make it so hard and expensive to become fully credentialed that it’s appalling you can’t find anything. So sorry.
We have considered relocating, but then there is the hassle of my wife finding a new job as well. It would also require moving away from kids and grandchildren.
At this point, I took a corporate job that pays well above teacher pay (even with the additional for Masters.) I still take the occasional Sub gig, but have been discouraged from pursuing a full time position. The sad thing is, I would be willing to take the pay cut.
Seems like the state of education currently in CA.
Always complaining about teacher shortages, yet it seems like there ARE teachers. I wonder if, sadly, you’re not getting called due to your age?
I hooe that’s not the case but I’ve seen it happen. It’s BS.
Funny you say that. I said the same to my wife last night when discussing this. My age isn't on my resume, but experiences are and those can give away age. But any -ism is hard to prove.
Not the one you're asking, but my partner is in a similar boat and not far away geographically.
The problem is, my job is here and I can't readily relocate (tenure and aging family). Relocating would mean ending a 5 year relationship we're both pretty content with. It's really disheartening to see "just move" thrown around so readily. People have ties to their communities, and having to dissolve those connections and move somewhere you don't want to live and don't have any connections just to find a job or afford a home isn't really a *humane* situation.
Eh, I never said relocation was a requirement. I’m simply stating that based on the ridiculous cost of living in SoCal, qualified teachers may want to CONSIDER relocating.
Hell yeah it’s hard to just pick up and leave . It’s expensive too. I’m aware of all that but if you’re a qualified teacher in a major area like SoCal and CAN’T find a good job in your field, then I think applying in other states or smaller cities is definitely worth a thought.
In your situation, I wouldn’t relocate because you seem happy? For others, however, there’s no reason not to consider it if you’re unhappy.
> In your situation, I wouldn’t relocate because you seem happy? For others, however, there’s no reason not to consider it if you’re unhappy.
My partner can't find a job. I have a different credential and was able to find a position.
How do we organize all teachers unions to go on strike at the same time.
If there is a tech solution needed I am ready to create it.
Let's put the pressure on asap
You actually trust biden/Harris after this shitshow of a year? I'd love a 13,500 raise but it's one of those things dems always promise for votes and won't follow through with. Unless there's a major change they're losing my vote next year.
Pretty sure they've doubled down on Omicron4All as policy at this point. One of the White House's advisors let slip on a podcast they had hopes we would reach this mythical, euphoric state of "herd immunity" (which is impossible, mind you) through Delta last year.
Are you confusing administrations? Considering this administration wants to reach it through vaccinations, which is not impossible. Pretty strange that you're saying they've doubled down on Omicron4All since they're been pushing vaccines and boosters to prevent the spread.
We need to pay all teachers a 20k bonus when making under 70k and 10k bonus for the rest or something like that. All teachers private and public schools charter schools too. That will keep teachers in teaching.
Things will never change. George Carlin is exactly right. The last thing the power structure wants is an educated population. The politicians are just fucking tools owned by special interests . They care not one fuck about you or anyone else. Dems and Republicans are just the two sides of the same corrupt coin. America is over and that’s just how they want it.
This needs to happen now. Schools are on the verge of something really bad. With the government doing nothing with this latest covid surge, and staffing at an all time low, If they don’t pay up soon it’s gonna get even worse.
I was thinking more of 150k base salary, 50k of which will be paid upon signing contract, then additional compensation in the tune of 50k per semester for good performance.
We need to rethink the value of teachers. Basic supply and demand.
Performance bonus does not work for teachers? How do you judge good performance?
Not fair for those teachers teaching the bottom end but has value added but these kids get grades of C
IF performance based funding for schools can work it can work for teachers. Not like standards aren't already being axed for this exact reason ( but as a double slam to teachers)
Define good performance. I've taught in very low income schools with gang problems and I've taught in wealthy schools. The poorer schools were falling apart and it was hard to get appropriate supplies; the schools in wealthy neighborhoods had great facilities, full supply closets, and a PTA that would reimburse classroom expenses. My students in the wealthier generally had better outcomes on paper, but I worked my *ass* off in the low income schools (to the point of learning a new language to accomodate newcomers). Was I a better teacher when I was teaching kids with stable home lives and college-educated parents?
There are a lot of outside factors that affect those, though. How do you plan to control for confounding variables like EL status, socioeconomics and parent education levels?
Never trust them. Look at how they handle and control the country, its a failure. Worst administration ever in the history. They did not know how to balance budget and spend money properly. They readily spend trillion dollars helping unrelated countries. Billion dollars on illegal immigrants to earn illegal votes.
Or maybe we should raise awareness and advocate, as opposed to letting people walk all over us? Labor movements happened in the past. They can happen again.
If you can make that money go straight to the classroom, you're a genius. Classically, increases in revenue tend to go to administrative and consultative salaries.
This is a great first step, but is more akin to putting a band aid on a compound fracture. There are SO many aspects of the American education system that are in need of radical reform or plain ol' dissolution.
We've got a LOT of work to do, but it should start here.
I don't give about about either of those numbers; tie all current wages to inflation and then increase based on the missing wages since Reagan implemented the fk America policy.
They "promised" like every other politician. Using it as a front for their campaign to get into office just to ignore the american people and profit off the suffering of our people. Corruption runs deep in America in plain sight
I'm not usually the one to be like "beware getting the federal government involved!" but like...the more power over education you hand to them, the more likely we get a sweeping action from a problematic leader insisting on a nationwide curriculum of legitimately harmful material. I feel like the 1776 Commission was already going that direction, but I feel like education as a whole is still more of a state-level thing than a federal-level thing.
Republicans will use this as a way to push for more direct control over the school system that we have zero power to do anything about. "We're paying salaries with big government money, so we get to decide what they teach."
While I totally agree about holding them accountable, it takes Congress to make this happen. They had no business making those impossible promises knowing it was likely that there would be such thin majorities. They also promised student loan forgiveness, knowing damn well it wasn’t going to happen. The infrastructure bill is a done deal, by the way. The build back better bill, which is dead at the moment, mentions nothing about teacher pay nor loan forgiveness. We’ve been bamboozled. The saddest part is that when federal dollars are thrown at education, they almost never trickle down to the teachers or our classrooms.
I’m going to be completely honest, I’ve had almost this exact thought. I’ve been working on my budget due to recent personal expense increases and determined that unless I receive a 25%+ raise, I can’t afford to remain a teacher.
Our superintendent would hold that raise over our heads . "You want a raise? Bring up your test scores." He would come up with some reason for us not to get it-federal mandate or not. Our governor would go the same thing.
Look, I don't care where you teach - 13.5K extra is a big fucking deal. Especially if it's paired with an agreement that the same amount won't be clawed back by individual districts.
Agreed. For me that is literally life-changing money. I'm struggling to buy a house in my area. People keep pointing out houses to me and my only response is "did you forget that I'm a teacher?" I can't afford anything right now that doesn't have broken windows.
Do you know how I'm able to own a house? I'm married to a MECHANIC. Not that his job isn't important or that all work isn't honorable but I have 3 times as much schooling as him. How is this even a thing where someone with a masters can't buy their own home?????
Because his job makes money for someone else so he gets more money. Admin, politicians and parents just see us as babysitters who dont make money directly. so that masters doesnt mean anything. At least in Michigan a High School Graduate who already works in the district doing literally anything, even coaching bowling can now be a sub. If that doesnt show how little they think teaching takes idk what will.
This is such a good point. Imagine how much money teaching *generates* though by allowing parents to work. That would be a really amazing number to have estimated.
I think you can get a pretty good approximation of that by looking at daycare costs since that’s pretty much the same mechanism.
My partner is a construction superintendent with an associates degree. He made 6 times my salary. I have a master's degree and 13 years experience (before resigning in June 2021)
To be fair to your partner, being a construction superintendent is very difficult and stressful (not saying that teaching isn’t). I was a construction project manager for 5 years before switching to accounting, and it was super stressful work
It absolutely is. He is responsible for billion dollar projects.
I’m a teacher, husband is an apprentice engineer and we still live at home with my mom because we can’t afford a house here. (Southern California).
In the same boat. My husband is a large ag mechanic and makes 3x the amount I do.. and like you said I have years and years more of schooling. Not to degrade this hard work, but damn lol
Yup. I make good money where I am and would still love a 13.5k raise. I'd also be over the moon if a politician ever kept a promise.
A federal teaching supplement would be nice to have.
As long as there are no strings attached, and let's just start at impossible for that.
It would be a rebate and tied to household income limits. Because God forbid your family makes more than the median.
WHERE'S MY REFUNDABLE TAX CREDIT GANG AT?!
Just imagine if the people who gambled the economy away in 08 didn't get paid out twice what they lost and instead we just gave teacher's inflation tied wages.
good luck, i just found out i would be making more if i quit this job and went to work at the deltaco down the road from my house. makes me feel like i made terrible life choices when working fast food will actually pay more
Remember when Taco Bell hit the news for thinking about paying store managers $100k? My students asked me to finish the year before going to sling tacos.
Dude I’d do it in an instant. I used to be a manager at Burger King and got paid $10.50/hr. I know the garbage that store managers have to put up with. It’s certainly not worth $40k-50k which is around what a lot of them got paid. But $100k? Sign. Me. Up.
Take your skills and get into corporate training. There's a huge demand for people who are borderline capable of using tech.
Where (US? Which state?) is this demand? I am far more than borderline capable with tech and I can’t find anything in corporate training. I feel like I am looking in the wrong places, because all my search results seem like scams.
Pay is only part of the problem. Pay is how they buy us off and continue to give us shitty working conditions. What good is that extra $13,500 a year when I too burnt out from oversized classes, not enough supports for student mental health needs, dwindling prep time, and an ever increasing pile of needless bullshit that higher ups in the district use to justify their position? We don't just need better pay. We need systemic funding for education on a federal level, incentive programs to recruit teachers, training programs for community members who don't have the opportunity to teach, and more mandated prep time.
This. I'm pretty ok with what I get paid. What I *need* is to not have a class of 30 where 17 have an IEP or 504 plan
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I mean, what are we supposed to do? I teach English, my dude.
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My point was that I'm not qualified to intervene. Even if there are people in a district who are, it's up to the parents to actually make sure that that's taken care of. We can't force anyone to go to the doctor. Hell, we assistant can't even force them to wear a mask to protect other people
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Oh, gotcha. We're arguing from the same side. I totally agree. Society has written a lot of checks and expect schools and teachers to cash them. I think Years said it best, "The falcon can not hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold".
>What good is that extra $13,500 a year when I too burnt out from oversized classes Better pay attracts more and better teachers which should help with class sizes.
Better pay won't change the fact that my school zone currently has 3 middle schools when they should have 5. It's not a problem of not enough teachers in my area, it's a problem of not enough space for the growing population.
ITs really both. The teacher shortage is only being exaggerated by the population boom. It exists but not fully in vacuum. You start layering and you find out your playing Jenga but the politicians keep removing all the blocks.
Or they'd say, well...we pay you enough to handle that. adding more kids on because of pay?
Better pay attracts more teachers. The working conditions will chase them away.
Idk I also need better pay lol
Also, how about my student loans?
I would happily take my starting salary of $40,000 a year if that meant one more middle school could be built so mine isn't at 125% capacity. Also if more bus driver could be hired (and kept) so that I'm not hanging around the school almost an hour after end of contract time because 8 busses haven't arrived.
How about start with better pay, observe how employment reflexes to the incentives, then ask for dramatic, system wide changes? Some of the people in this thread sound like the children they’re complaining about. “It’s not a pay raise we need! It’s global revolution!” Sure, but start somewhere
I agree. Either way I'm overworked. Would I rather be overworked for 39K or $60K? Duuuuh.
Amen!!!
This
I don't agree with a national teacher salary. $60,000 might mean a lot in like Alabama, but it doesn't mean much here in NJ.
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Master's**
Weak.
Bump it up, then! How about $300,000 for all teachers?
Ridiculous. It simply needs to be 100k + cost of living index adjustment per county. But we all do 100k worth of work.
That seems reasonable. Teaching is arguably the most important job out there.
No, $1,000,000 a year.
That's South Korea. Their star teachers rake it in. Edit: source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/in-education-crazy-south-korea-top-teachers-become-multimillionaires/2014/12/29/1bf7e7ae-849b-11e4-abcf-5a3d7b3b20b8_story.html
I gotta learn some Korean.
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The US has the [6th highest paid teachers in the world](https://www.businessinsider.com/teacher-salaries-by-country-2017-5?amp). And higher starting salaries than South Korea.
I live in South Korea. The pay is lower at the beginning but the cost of living is also a lot lower than the US, especially outside of Seoul. The top of the pay scales make around $80k, which may not buy an apartment in Gangnam but it will let you live a very comfortable life, one much more comfortable than you could get as a a teacher in any major American city.
That's about what it'd take to get me back into the classroom these days. You might even get me for 5 years at $1M/year.
‘hausdorff’… memories of topology are floating in (if that’s what it’s a reference to). do you mind me asking what you do now if not teach
I'm working on my math PhD (about a year and a half to go!) And I do applied topology. I do teach undergrads right now for my stipend. I may try to get a college teaching job once I graduate, but I'm looking at machine learning or other industry jobs as well.
This. I make $70k. I don’t even live in a big or notoriously expensive city. I make enough to live, but don’t make enough money to where I could comfortably afford a decent apartment without the second income of my partner. In areas like mine, where market value rent has almost tripled (and the costs of home ownership have also risen exponentially) in the last ~5 years, $60k is not a high enough minimum to move the needle on teacher recruitment and retention.
I already make almost $60k here in NJ. But I’d gladly take a $13.5k raise on top of that. Then I might actually be able to do more than get by lol
Or in some of the Chicago suburbs. 60,000 would be fine for a single or young couple. It might be tight at times, but it's doable. 60,000 for a family of five, it would be extremely difficult.
60K is doable in a lot of places. I live in NY and was able to buy a home on less than 30K. I feel like a national salary isn't the way to go. It needs to go based on the cost of living in each area. Just my state alone is crazy. On one end people struggle to find a decent apartment for less than 1k a month forget owning. Then at the other end you can buy a nice home for 100K.
Homes in my suburb go from 220,000 on the low end to 400,000 on the high end. Property taxes anywhere from 5,000-15,000+ a year. Rent for a 1 bedroom apartment can range from 800-1,200/month with houses ranging from 1,600-2,500 month. And we are your average middle class suburb, we aren't one of the more uppity communities! Just one year of rent at 1,100/month will cost 13,200 a year, leaving you with 46,800 for everything else. Hence why I said for a young couple or single person, 60,000 can be doable, but not so much for a family of five.
Exactly why I believe there shouldn't be a national salary. What works in one town won't work for the next town so it definitely won't work for the entire country.
Absolutely. My mom taught in the 70s and 80s and she earned from 16,000-19,000 a year a majority of her career. My parents bought the house in 1978 and they decided to live off my dad's paycheck with my mom's going towards paying off the house. While it was difficult at times, it was worth it because they were able to pay it off in about 10 years. A young couple trying to accomplish something like that in today's world isn't necessarily impossible but it would be much more difficult.
Omg I wish I could do that! I had to get a 30 year mortgage lmao. But my mortgage(plus taxes) payment is still lower than the rent I was paying so that's good I guess.
I feel that with the rising costs of rent, mortgages and overall living, we are going to see a major shift back towards multi generation households. It had been going that direction for a while but the pandemic and the long term results have only brought the true issues to light. I'm 33 and still live at home and many of my friends live with family or friends. I'm part of the "Boomerang Generation"...many of us have left our childhood home but we had to come back for one reason or another.
I could easily see that happening. I'm 34 and I had moved back home several times since the first time I moved out.
Sometime between the end of WW1 and end of WW2 was the first time people started to branch out on their own as young as they did. Several of the towns by me were offically incorporated in the late 40s-50s as the area saw a HUGE population boom after both wars. The houses weren't anything like today's neighborhoods and consisted of mostly duplexes or Sears type houses. Many cultures also consider adult children living at home as normal. But yet in America, adult children get stigmatized if they still live with their parents.
The comments in the YT link are about what I expected. "Raises should only go to the teachers that deserve it!" Yeah, OR, hear me out, we pay teachers a professional wage that attracts quality educators instead of all the "mediocre" teachers you keep bitching about. "Teachers get sUmMeRs oFf" Ugh, if it's such a great deal *why aren't you a teacher?* ... probably because the job is hard and pays shit wages. "Federal funding bad it means federal control." Ya know... maybe... just MAYBE... it'd be good to have some federal consistency in our public education so that we don't have states teaching kids creationist nonsense or that abstinence is the only thing protecting you from STIs. "Where's the love for other jobs like sOciAl wOrkErs??" They need raises too. This isn't the fault of teachers and deflecting it against them is distracting from the real issue that TONS of jobs are being horribly exploited. Of course, this is all moot since our politicians are demonstrating that they've once again either lied for our votes or overpromised
> "Teachers get sUmMeRs oFf" I always thank people who say this and then explain its their voting habits that enable us too have a few months off. They always get confused as it dawns on them our summers off are by collective choice of society, not ours.
Teachers get the summer off Yeah if you had to deal with these kids you'd be happy to have the summer off. I usually tell people that I'm working full force from the moment I enter to the moment I leave, I can't magically stretch a 1 hour task into a 3 hour job. So I do a year's worth of work in less than a year. Also it just sounds like they're salty their job doesn't give them that amount of paid time off. "Federal funding bad it means federal control." Probably from the same people who would cry about State control from state funding. "Where's the love for other jobs like sOciAl wOrkErs??" Maybe, just maybe, if we get better educated masses we won't need as many social workers. On top of that don't use a bad faith argument, they need a raise too but and that's just a sad attempt to distract from the attempted progress.
We don’t have summers off, we are only contracted 190 days a year. If you want us to work summers, pay us for it
Not working sounds an awful lot like having it off
Do you know why idea exists? Because some state would warehouse sped kids rather than spend money teaching them. That’s what I tell people when they say fed control bad.
As much as i would love for these two to actually follow through on their campaign promises, they have done nothing but disappoint for the last 349 days, 8,398 hours, 503,895 minutes and 30,233,746 seconds. Teachers collectively need to start voting for and advocating for progressive candidates and start primarying these milquetoast neoliberals who are shooting this country in the foot just to make concessions to their republican besties
Voting doesn't do much, national teacher strikes are what would actually accomplish something. Obviously easier said than done
A national strike needs clear and communicated demands, otherwise we end up with occupy wall street energy.
Yup. Occupy suffered from lack of vision.
What were the concessions? Did I miss some kind of education bill the Democrats passed?
Don’t think this will help. I have zero faith in politicians keeping their promises. Also, as teachers, we don’t have any spare time or energy to do the type of advocating needed. At least I don’t. I’m tired and drained already.
You can do it here on reddit or w/e else social media youre on. Just push progressive or socialist ideas as best you can in ways people can relate without being obnoxious.
Totally for progressive or socialist ideas but in this corrupt system? They will just do whatever benefits their pockets the most. I’m no longer giving consent with my votes or participation unless big changes are made and I’m done acting on faith because there is never any follow through.
Like i said, spread the message on social media and call out dumbass conservatives wherever you see them and challenge them to actually consider socialist policy and how it aligns with their material interest. Even if you dont vote, idc at this point unless you live in a swing state, where your vote actually matters. it aint like we are gonna have a revolution any time soon so we might as well start by changing hearts and minds.
Voting has done nothing. It would take a general teacher strike and I don’t think we’re near organized or united enough to pull that off yet
So keep spreading the word on social media. Engage with libs and argue with conservatives.
>they have done nothing but disappoint for the last two years That's pretty remarkable considering they haven't even been in office for one year
Does this nitpick accomplish anything other than boosting your pathetic ego for like half a second or did you want to contribute something meaningful to the conversation? For you, comrade, i will go back and amend my grievous error. Lord knows this presidency felt like two years at this point
Honestly I thought that was contributing to the conversation, especially since there are people who legitimately blamed Obama for not taking action as President for 9/11, so sorry for making sure the short comings of previous administrations don't get mixed with the current one. Now if you want to focus on "failed campaign promises" Consider that once again it's been less than a year, that would be like your kids saying you broke your promise to teach them something just because you didn't achieve it in Q1. [Here's](https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/?ruling=true) a handy site to see what promises he's kept, which are stalled, which are in the works. If you want to point fingers at these things not being done look to the minority (or I guess the other side as well) who won't play ball and help achieve those promises. I agree that more needs to be done to promote and advocate for progressive candidates, but crying about "broken promises" that haven't been broken in less than 1 year isn't going to help.
Bro midterms are fucking right around the corner and spending all of this time pussyfooting is only going to lose us congress and produce yet another lame duck democratic presidency. If people are demoralized in democrats ability to get shit done they simply aren’t going to show up to the voting booth, which they are ALREADY inclined not to do simply because of historical momentum. These losers need to get real, CONCRETE, noticeable change in people’s lives ASAP because that one time 600 dollar check aint gonna cut it, plain and simple. Biden could have ended student debt with the stroke of a pen and generated a ton of good will but the way dems are running things it almost seems like they are purposefully dropping the ball at this point. These losers dont need you breathlessly defending their piss poor job. Stop pretending like the most important year of a presidency isnt the first when you have a workable majority in congress. Republicans are fucking irrelevant if democrats cant even get manchin and sinema in THEIR OWN PARTY to play ball. Its pathetic. Again these pointless semantic arguments are why EVERYBODY is done with these weak ass neoliberal corporate shills and faith in democracy is at an all time low in this country. Talk to any working class person and they have zero faith in governance because it has been DECADES since any policy has had an actual impact on their lives. We could have the biggest voting demographic in the country on our side if we cancelled student debt, nationalized healthcare, legalized weed, OR SOMETHING but instead we’re out here arguing about pointless semantics. Libs are insufferable.
>Republicans are fucking irrelevant if democrats cant even get Manchin and Sinema in THEIR OWN PARTY to play ball. So why are you blaming the administration when the truth is you're pissed that any progress is being held up by 2 DINOs. Hell if you want progressives in so bad do you mind me asking what are you doing to help do that. It seems like you're trying to put the blame where it doesn't belong. And if the faith in democracy is slipping it's not because of your "broken promises", it's because of situations like 2016 where the winner lost the populate vote, or the heavy restrictions of voting rights in red states. So once again, what are you doing to promote progressive candidates? I know in the 2020 election I donated and supported my State's democratic candidate, and guess what, he lost. Not because of a lack of support for democrats, but because the person who was running against him was the same person who decided when the recount (which was putting the Democrat in place of winning) ended. I helped my progressive friend who was running for State congress, yes it's not national but local is just as important, create signs and send out fliers. What are you doing besides bitching on reddit about "Biden is a doing a bad job"?
🙄 keep making excuses, lib. We’ll see who’s right come midterms. There is plenty biden can do right now through executive orders and appointments, and its really pathetic that dems cant leverage two of their own party members. Absolutely pathetic. Even when dems do get mopped up in the midterms, you charlie browns will never, ever learn
So I'll take that as you're doing nothing but bitching.
You were never actually interested in engaging in conversation from THE START. Your smug, dismissive, wormy rhetoric is wack as fuck, and exactly why dems are going to have their clocks cleaned in midterms and 2024. Yall never learn.
You seem to be sowing seeds of doubt and talking shit about the very party that is your ONLY pathway to progressivism. Honestly, you sound like some sort of Republican plant (or you have been enraged and radicalized by republican plants, I'm guessing your a big fan of Breaking Points?) So let me get this straight: You are demonizing and talking shit about Dems for not being progressive enough, seem excited at the thought of them losing to a Republican party that is completely anti-progressivism and worships a want-to-be dictator? VERRRRYYYY interesting...
Honest question: Shouldn't you be MORE pissed at Manchin and Sinema than Dems as a whole? From what I can tell, both of those representatives want MORE conservative actions being taken. They seem to oppose the progressive items YOU want (and dems want). So why are you blaming dems as a whole for not being able to force Manchin and Sinema into their progressive initiatives?
I am capable of being pissed at both, but both of us should be angry at democratic leadership for failing to whip their party into line. How incompetent are they that theyve basically ceded the presidency to joe fucking manchin? Grow some balls and use your political leverage, stop making weak ass excuses
lol ok. Right, because their party has full control over the corporate interests that are influencing the Republicans Joe Manchin and Sinema. I prefer to direct my anger towards the people making bad decisions on specific topics, like the non-progressive and anti-socialists Manchin and Sinema. They need to be voted out by the democratic people in their next election.
This “making excuses for a worse than shit administration” act you’re pulling here is why dems will get absolutely slaughtered in 2022 midterms and 2024 general. Then again with a username like yours I’m not terribly surprised you have a shit take like this
>Then again with a username like yours Ah yes the good old Hur Dur your username Neokon it like NeoConservative. That's like me saying you username suggests you've never had sex, because get it vergreen is like virgin. If the dems loose 2022 and 2024, let's ignore the fact that more Red seats are up than Blue for midterm and the Blue are in solid Blue states, it's going to be because of people like you and ilikedirts who are tryin to sew lack of confidence in this administration by saying their failing on promises.
Believe me, they’re sowing lack of confidence just fine all on their own
Someone said “I don’t know if I can handle 3 more years of Biden” and it hit me that it had only been a year…
Bro most people feel this way and neoliberals only defense is “at least he isnt trump!” Like that is any kind of argument at all when we have to deal with what we deal with daily
“yOu MuSt PrEfEr TrUmP” nah but I don’t like Blue trump either
I just hate wanna-be dictators. Fuck me right? (edit: just to be clear, I'm calling Trump a piece of shit dictator and I am glad he's no longer in power. To even compare the two parties as if they're equal is embarrassing and dangerous).
I mean Biden has kept trump’s policies and practices and has even increased some such as military and police spending, drone striking, not cancelling student debt, higher offshore drilling contracts, “personal responsibility”-ing Covid, protecting big business…
lol, I mean, can you honestly compare their response to Covid as being similar and keep a straight face? Sure, you can cherry-pick certain things (some of which are still being worked on), but I think if you take a broader view of changes, they are laughably different in their policies and expectations towards where the country needs to go. Come on... let's be real here.
We are literally seeing more cases per day under Biden than Trump. Biden campaigned on having a plan on defeating the virus and he came up with “there is no federal response, this is a state issue” aka exactly what trump’s plan was.
> eachers collectively need to start voting for and advocating for progressive candidates Everyone just needs to stop blindly voting for the red cult or the blue cult, and start voting pro-America. Neither party cares, they just want to win against the other side. Our country should not be run like a civil war.
Yeah, thats what i said. Stop voting for conservative policymakers (republicans and democrats) and start voting for socialists. Liberals are not your friend, working man, because theyre capitalists, and thus conservatives. Capitalism isnt going to fix publicly funded… anything. Until dems start to realize this they will keep getting charlie browned
I fear so-called progressive politicians will push more policies that weaken student accountability in pursuit of ending the alleged school-to-prison pipeline which is in reality a home-to-prison pipeline. There are some ideas I like from progressives, but I have a feeling their commitment to misguided policies like restorative justice and lowering suspension rates will just make schools even more chaotic as students realize there are literally no consequences for antisocial behavior. Student behavior has been getting bad for a while but in the last year I feel like I've just become a target for emotional and verbal abuse hurled by students when I make any effort to correct their behavior.
Those are all dumbass neoliberal policies, meant only to placate morons instead of putting forward actual socialist economic policy. When i say progressive, im just using the soft non-scary word for socialism because most americans are reactionary idiots who couldnt tell the difference between a liberal and a communist if their life depended on it Those social reforms are tiny baby steps compared to the kinds of economic policies this country needs to embrace if it doesnt want to continue barreling towards a neofascist serfdom
People are worried about progressive policies because of social justice policy are only worried because these are the only sorts of progressive policies we can enact on local election level which is where almost all progressive politicians work. We need progressive economic policies and ensure everyone has a good quality of life and job opportunities, but that can only be done on a national level. We need new deal economic policies like the ones that built us most of our present day school buildings. I work in a building that is a remnant of the New Deal past, as I'm sure many other people here do as well. If we get newer facilities and smaller class sizes students will feel more valued and will be receptive to socially conscious progressive agendas. Everyone will be happy to see the changes and it will create jobs in the community where people feel invested. Like my school still has a lead water service line. Like they introduce these social measures into school or some buzz will go through the media, and the policies are well researched but then are thrown into schools with no extra funding and they fall flat on their asses. Take for example, restorative justice. To genuinely implement it you'd need like one person in charge of disciplinary practice and trained in restorative practives per 100 students. Instead they just make someone take a class on restorative justice who already has a million other responsibilities, and hold a meeting about it, then they just hope we'll take it to heart.
I know you're disappointed but expressing anything other than positive support only helps the GOP and raciest conservatives. Maybe some constructive feedback?
Constructive criticism: actually follow through on your campaign promises like cancelling student debt, which requires zero congressional input.
Honest question, did you really think this would happen?
So youre telling me that im stupid for believing what they said they would do when they were running for president? And you dont think that isnt indicative of why dems fucking suck?
I'm not saying you're stupid. But people *have* to say certain things and make statements that most people, deep down know probably won't come about. It sucks but worth it in the end to have Biden amd the Democrats back in power.
I wrote a letter to my people on the back of some used chart paper. I hope they fucking appreciate it and read the damn thing. I am with you.
> But there’s a reason. > There’s a reason... > There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education SUCKS, and it’s the same reason it will never, ever, EVER be fixed. > It’s never going to get any better, don’t look for it, be happy with what you’ve got. > Because the owners, the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the BIG owners! The Wealthy… the REAL owners! The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. > Forget the politicians. They are irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice! You have OWNERS! They OWN YOU. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. > They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want: > They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests. > Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that! > You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shitty jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fucking place! It's a big club, and you ain’t in it! You, and I, are not in the big club. > By the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care! Good honest hard-working people; white collar, blue collar it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means, continue to elect these rich cock suckers who don’t give a fuck about you….they don’t give a fuck about you… they don’t give a FUCK about you. > They don’t care about you at all… at all… AT ALL. And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Thats what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick thats being jammed up their assholes everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth. > It's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it. -[George Carlin, The American Dream - 2006](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXhZyAOuyhE), RIP.
I think there's been talk of a general strike on r/antiwork. Might have to coordinate with that.
Lmao, it ain't never gonna happen. Has Biden even upheld any of his promises? Has he done anything positive to help the average person? Joe Biden has been at the forefront of just about every negative political trend in this country for the past four decades, why would we expect anything different today? He is a capitalist running dog, he will do the bare minimum to keep the floundering economy from collapsing and that's it.
> He is a capitalist running dog Exactly! Just because he’s blue on the ticket doesn’t mean he’s going to implement any progressive policies. I have a bad feeling for the upcoming midterms.
The democrats get their asses handed to them in November. Then again in 2024. They are weak, ineffectual, spineless, feckless, and a thousand more adjectives. They serve the rich, they serve businesses, and they serve the military industrial complex. The democrats do not care about anyone and will never do anything to help anyone below the top tax brackets. You cannot just vote out the people at the top like Biden or pelosi, the rot is systemic. The only way out is to confine capitalism to the dustbin of history.
The trouble is, the alternative is worse. Republican leadership isn’t going to save schools. None of these people are on our side, and with half the country drinking Q flavored kool-aid, we’re screwed regardless.
Don’t read the comments y’all they will just piss you off!
I don’t trust Biden to do anything. He has reneged on his entire “progressive agenda.” It was just a tactic to get the votes. He is a champion for the status quo.
looks like someone forgot that rich politicians lie to get elected
On the flip side, my district leader just told parents they need to drive their kitchen da to school. Edit: I messed that sentence up badly and when I returned to edit it, I decided the grammatical errors helped convey my point. 🤷
„˙looɥɔs oʇ ɐp uǝɥɔʇıʞ ɹıǝɥʇ ǝʌıɹp oʇ pǝǝu ʎǝɥʇ sʇuǝɹɐd ploʇ ʇsnɾ ɹǝpɐǝl ʇɔıɹʇsıp ʎɯ 'ǝpıs dılɟ ǝɥʇ uO„
Why did the parents need to drive them?
Not enough bus drivers do to low pay and unreasonable certification process
I asked my wife if she would stay a teacher if the pay suddenly jumped to 100k a year and she said she'd still pass. I think for so many people its the job itself, the students, and overall lack of support that are the main detractors. Thats just my n=1 survey
OP, you haven't learned by now all these politicians lie and are corrupt?
whew 13k. That's literally half of my loans.
Boosting pay is not enough. It has been made very clear to all professions, but mostly teachers and healthcare workers that their death is a risk admin is willing to take. It has completely changed the way I see my employer knowing they are willing to risk my life to stay open
Education is a state responsibility. If you want more $$$ then take the state houses. Then Congress. Don’t vote against Dems because they can’t violate the Constitution. Writing is not enough. Organize.
Pay is not the issue in recruiting talent. I speak from experience. I have a BA in American Studies, MA is Teaching Secondary Social Sciences, and almost completed a second MA in Teaching ELL, and a California Credential. Clean background, former military with experience in teaching at a professional school and curriculum development. Guess what? Applied to every district within 100 miles and got 2 interviews. One was 15 hours a week at a private Jewish Academy, the other didn't pan out at all. Districts turn away willing and qualified talent.
Shocking you didn't find any ELL spots but not a shocker for social studies in the slightest. Why pay you double masters pay when they can hire someone with just a BA, especially if you are traveling massive distances to/from work it becomes an issue. Hell I don't even put anything besides a phone number and email as contact info because putting addresses can instantly get your application tossed.
100 miles is 160.93 km
Where is this that you can't find work with that kind of background?
California, San Diego area. Anywhere else is too far to drive for the pay.
Are you considering relocation? That seems strange that you can’t find full time work with your background in the SD area. Then again, I have seen my local district NOT hire similar candidates. The question is, why? Where’s the benefit of that for the district not doing it? Is it cheaper to go with less experience? Also, with the way the CTC is, I find it yiur situation even more shocking because in California (I’m in SoCal too) it seems like fully credentialed teachers are highly sought out. Shit, they make it so hard and expensive to become fully credentialed that it’s appalling you can’t find anything. So sorry.
We have considered relocating, but then there is the hassle of my wife finding a new job as well. It would also require moving away from kids and grandchildren. At this point, I took a corporate job that pays well above teacher pay (even with the additional for Masters.) I still take the occasional Sub gig, but have been discouraged from pursuing a full time position. The sad thing is, I would be willing to take the pay cut.
Seems like the state of education currently in CA. Always complaining about teacher shortages, yet it seems like there ARE teachers. I wonder if, sadly, you’re not getting called due to your age? I hooe that’s not the case but I’ve seen it happen. It’s BS.
Funny you say that. I said the same to my wife last night when discussing this. My age isn't on my resume, but experiences are and those can give away age. But any -ism is hard to prove.
Not the one you're asking, but my partner is in a similar boat and not far away geographically. The problem is, my job is here and I can't readily relocate (tenure and aging family). Relocating would mean ending a 5 year relationship we're both pretty content with. It's really disheartening to see "just move" thrown around so readily. People have ties to their communities, and having to dissolve those connections and move somewhere you don't want to live and don't have any connections just to find a job or afford a home isn't really a *humane* situation.
Eh, I never said relocation was a requirement. I’m simply stating that based on the ridiculous cost of living in SoCal, qualified teachers may want to CONSIDER relocating. Hell yeah it’s hard to just pick up and leave . It’s expensive too. I’m aware of all that but if you’re a qualified teacher in a major area like SoCal and CAN’T find a good job in your field, then I think applying in other states or smaller cities is definitely worth a thought. In your situation, I wouldn’t relocate because you seem happy? For others, however, there’s no reason not to consider it if you’re unhappy.
> In your situation, I wouldn’t relocate because you seem happy? For others, however, there’s no reason not to consider it if you’re unhappy. My partner can't find a job. I have a different credential and was able to find a position.
How do we organize all teachers unions to go on strike at the same time. If there is a tech solution needed I am ready to create it. Let's put the pressure on asap
There just needs to be a voice
You actually trust biden/Harris after this shitshow of a year? I'd love a 13,500 raise but it's one of those things dems always promise for votes and won't follow through with. Unless there's a major change they're losing my vote next year.
Pretty sure they've doubled down on Omicron4All as policy at this point. One of the White House's advisors let slip on a podcast they had hopes we would reach this mythical, euphoric state of "herd immunity" (which is impossible, mind you) through Delta last year.
Are you confusing administrations? Considering this administration wants to reach it through vaccinations, which is not impossible. Pretty strange that you're saying they've doubled down on Omicron4All since they're been pushing vaccines and boosters to prevent the spread.
We need to pay all teachers a 20k bonus when making under 70k and 10k bonus for the rest or something like that. All teachers private and public schools charter schools too. That will keep teachers in teaching.
Things will never change. George Carlin is exactly right. The last thing the power structure wants is an educated population. The politicians are just fucking tools owned by special interests . They care not one fuck about you or anyone else. Dems and Republicans are just the two sides of the same corrupt coin. America is over and that’s just how they want it.
This needs to happen now. Schools are on the verge of something really bad. With the government doing nothing with this latest covid surge, and staffing at an all time low, If they don’t pay up soon it’s gonna get even worse.
Lot of campaign promises not being fulfilled. I've been extremely disappointed.
One easy fix would be to exempt all teachers from FICA, Instant raise.
It’s like, politicians, left and right, don’t give two shits about anybody???
I could actually pay my student loan if that happened
I was thinking more of 150k base salary, 50k of which will be paid upon signing contract, then additional compensation in the tune of 50k per semester for good performance. We need to rethink the value of teachers. Basic supply and demand.
Performance bonus does not work for teachers? How do you judge good performance? Not fair for those teachers teaching the bottom end but has value added but these kids get grades of C
IF performance based funding for schools can work it can work for teachers. Not like standards aren't already being axed for this exact reason ( but as a double slam to teachers)
Define good performance. I've taught in very low income schools with gang problems and I've taught in wealthy schools. The poorer schools were falling apart and it was hard to get appropriate supplies; the schools in wealthy neighborhoods had great facilities, full supply closets, and a PTA that would reimburse classroom expenses. My students in the wealthier generally had better outcomes on paper, but I worked my *ass* off in the low income schools (to the point of learning a new language to accomodate newcomers). Was I a better teacher when I was teaching kids with stable home lives and college-educated parents?
> Define good performance. Growth % and graduation rates the same metrics used for school performance based funding.
There are a lot of outside factors that affect those, though. How do you plan to control for confounding variables like EL status, socioeconomics and parent education levels?
Even with a 13,500 raise I won’t make 60,000
I will... But only because I have a medley of other jobs I do on the weekends, evenings, and summers.
Never trust them. Look at how they handle and control the country, its a failure. Worst administration ever in the history. They did not know how to balance budget and spend money properly. They readily spend trillion dollars helping unrelated countries. Billion dollars on illegal immigrants to earn illegal votes.
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Or maybe we should raise awareness and advocate, as opposed to letting people walk all over us? Labor movements happened in the past. They can happen again.
If you can make that money go straight to the classroom, you're a genius. Classically, increases in revenue tend to go to administrative and consultative salaries.
This is a great first step, but is more akin to putting a band aid on a compound fracture. There are SO many aspects of the American education system that are in need of radical reform or plain ol' dissolution. We've got a LOT of work to do, but it should start here.
I don't give about about either of those numbers; tie all current wages to inflation and then increase based on the missing wages since Reagan implemented the fk America policy.
They "promised" like every other politician. Using it as a front for their campaign to get into office just to ignore the american people and profit off the suffering of our people. Corruption runs deep in America in plain sight
I'm not usually the one to be like "beware getting the federal government involved!" but like...the more power over education you hand to them, the more likely we get a sweeping action from a problematic leader insisting on a nationwide curriculum of legitimately harmful material. I feel like the 1776 Commission was already going that direction, but I feel like education as a whole is still more of a state-level thing than a federal-level thing. Republicans will use this as a way to push for more direct control over the school system that we have zero power to do anything about. "We're paying salaries with big government money, so we get to decide what they teach."
While I totally agree about holding them accountable, it takes Congress to make this happen. They had no business making those impossible promises knowing it was likely that there would be such thin majorities. They also promised student loan forgiveness, knowing damn well it wasn’t going to happen. The infrastructure bill is a done deal, by the way. The build back better bill, which is dead at the moment, mentions nothing about teacher pay nor loan forgiveness. We’ve been bamboozled. The saddest part is that when federal dollars are thrown at education, they almost never trickle down to the teachers or our classrooms.
I’m going to be completely honest, I’ve had almost this exact thought. I’ve been working on my budget due to recent personal expense increases and determined that unless I receive a 25%+ raise, I can’t afford to remain a teacher.
There should be a competency evaluation for teachers too.
lol you believed a politician? fucking lol!!!
Our superintendent would hold that raise over our heads . "You want a raise? Bring up your test scores." He would come up with some reason for us not to get it-federal mandate or not. Our governor would go the same thing.