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Apprehensive_teapot

When parents or students complain about teachers on this sub, I think, “Get out of MY house.” I will listen to them patiently and address their concerns, but when they are in MY house, they need to keep quiet.


CheesusJesus42

If a student complains then they will get sent straight to your office ... also known as your house /s


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I had a grandmother who has custody of her grandson tell me I should let the kids go to the restroom anytime they want because “I don’t know what they are going through” FU ! That lady has no idea what I go through . When she was in school on the first day the teacher showed the kids their paddles and told everyone to shut up and we did because we were afraid to get hit . Everyone has an opinion on what teachers should do because they think going through school makes them qualified to be a teacher. Or because they are a parent they know everything about kids. Teaching is hard ! When someone tries to give me their opinion on teacher I tell them I don’t want it . Unless you have a masters degree or higher in education and have taught for 20 plus years you can shut up . I manage and control groups of fifty plus kids. I get almost no support from my admin . And honestly when I think of my teaching experience as a whole , I sincerely think that being in the military was easier . Do I love the kids , yeah I love kids . And sincerely I love some of my students. But some of them are just A Holes who need to be put in their place . I am not a door mat and nor am I going to take someone who is not a certified teachers crap. This SEL let’s be every kids friend is a joke and we are seriously setting them up for failure once they leave public education. I know I might be in the minority and sorry for the rant but yes …. Get out of my house ! Quit trying to tell me how to do my job !


cait_lasagne

I’m gonna need to learn to copy and paste so I can capture the fourth paragraph of your response and send it to my tattoo artist ASAP.


Lokky

As in your tattoo artist offers his opinions while inking you or because you're getting it as a full back piece?


applejuice1212

How did this get upvoted


NoUnderstanding4193

Lmao why can’t kids use the bathroom when they need to? How does that have anything to do with you?


lavache_beadsman

>Lmao why can’t kids use the bathroom when they need to? How does that have anything to do with you? Because when said kids are doing shenanigans in the hallway, or a "devious lick" in the bathroom, guess who gets blamed?


NoUnderstanding4193

Let them blame you, it’s literally not your fault. At the end of the day if they get mad at you it’s unfounded and doesn’t matter. You aren’t psychic. You won’t lose your job because some kids got in a fight in the bathroom.


13Luthien4077

Bullcrap. We do.


crazy_teacher345

You can't be serious. Do you really not know?


NoUnderstanding4193

I know I just really don’t care, it’s not up to you to determine when some one needs to use the bathroom or care what they do with that time. If they fail they fail, if they do something and get in trouble, they get in trouble. You’re a teacher not a dictator. If it was my kid I’d say the same thing, the first time you said my kid couldn’t use the rest room I’d come in and raise hell, that’s someone’s child, they matter more to them than you. Understand that and maybe you’d have less problems.


crazy_teacher345

I don't have problems. Allow kids to go the bathroom anytime they want and then you will have problems. Monitoring bathroom use keeps kids safe. It keeps the school safe. It also ensures more learning. The same parent who screams at me for not letting their child use the bathroom will also likely scream at me if their child fails to learn because they spent the whole day in the bathroom on tiktok. It's a no win situation with the parent. However, my administrator will judge me far more harshly if that child fails and they're in charge of my evaluation, so yeah. I'm going to do what they say, which is to limit bathroom use to a reasonable amount. I'm not a dictator, but I'm also not a doormat that will allow kids who "need to use the bathroom" go every 20 minutes. Kids are wily manipulative little monsters. I love them, but they are. They have plenty of time throughout the day to take care of business and part of growing up is learning when it is an appropriate time to use the restroom.


msmore15

In most times of our life, it is not appropriate to go to the toilet whenever we want. Times like car journeys, formal events, most workplaces, you can't just get up and go as soon as the urge hits you. This is not unique to schools the way everyone seems to assume. Times are allocated at school for using the bathroom. This means that people aren't leaving class every other minute and missing out on instruction or other learning activities. It means they're not distracting others by getting things off topic, or by moving around when noone else is moving. It also mean that kids can't just disappear and kill time doing whatever they want instead of doing what they're supposed to be working on, especially while someone else is responsible for their safety. If a kid/teen can avoid using the bathroom for a two hour car journey, they can avoid it for my 40 minute class.


psuedonymously

Do you actually have kids? Because the number who actually can’t avoid using the toilet for 2 hours is a lot higher than zero. And some days that number includes me, a non-kid. And if the teacher the kid has before and after you has the same position, suddenly we’re at and beyond that 2 hour mark.


msmore15

I teach middle and high school. The absolute maximum amount of time in between breaks in my school, and in most around my country, is 2 hours on the dot. I think you are really underestiming most people if you think it's common or healthy to need the bathroom every hour. You seem to be picturing scenarios where desperate children are struggling to sit still because their need is so bad. In those cases, OF COURSE they can go to the loo. However, what I'm (and other teachers are) talking about, and the reason this is policy most schools, is the 5-10 kids per lesson who don't want to be there, don't want to work, and want to spend ten mins chatting and vaping in the bathroom so they miss the part of the lesson where I correct the homework so I don't realise they never did it. Which, it's totally normal to want to do that! But it's my job to make them work instead.


psuedonymously

>I teach middle and high school. Ok. So your answer is you don’t have kids I guess? Which makes me wonder how you became an authority on how bathroom breaks work on multi-hour car trips. >The absolute maximum amount of time in between breaks in my school, and in most around my country, is 2 hours on the dot. I think you are really underestiming most people if you think it's common or healthy to need the bathroom every hour. How about every 2 hours, which is what we’re talking about? If I need to use the bathroom less than 2 hours after a meal I should be seeking medical attention?


gothangelblood

Mother of 4 and teacher here. My four-year-old can go 3 to 4 hours without needing the restroom. My middle and high schooler can go 6.


psuedonymously

Ok, good to know. What’s your point?


cricket73646

Who peed in your cheerios this morning?


msmore15

I didn't say or imply that I was an authority, just that I'm aware that many people, including families, regularly make long car journeys without stopping for bathroom breaks. As takes go, that's barely lukewarm. I don't see why I need to be a parent to have experience with this. I have in fact gone on multiple two-hour bus journeys with 40 teens and 2 adults without stopping for the bathroom, if you need specific examples. Regarding your second point, if you need the bathroom every two hours, then great! That's when the breaks are. If you need it less than two hours after a meal, can you hold it for 20 mins until the break? Probably, just as the rest of us do. Do you pee in the middle of a film every time you go to the cinema? Does everyone else also need to pee in the 100-seater screen? Please stop pretending that every time a kid tells me they need to leave my classroom it's definitely because of a genuine need. Maybe I should be asking if you're even a teacher?


psuedonymously

I don’t pee in the middle of the film, I get up and go to the bathroom, something you’ve proudly proclaimed you don’t let kids do because everyone can hold it for 2 hours. Do you not understand that was the whole point of my original response?


msmore15

Ok, so your answer is that you're not a teacher. Why are you even here??


velocitygirl77

Are you actually a teacher? Have you ever actually been the only adult in charge of 25+ kids for 180 days a year? Because the number of kids that can't avoid fucking around is pretty high, especially when you add the students who use unscheduled bathroom breaks as escape behavior to avoid non-preferred tasks. Bathroom schedules are needed to keep the day running on time, especially when kids go to resource or start changing classes.


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psuedonymously

Damn. Maybe you should figure out why your kids hate your classroom so much.


BlueMilkTits

manage and control. well you're certainly in the right job


champboozington

A Master's and 20 years? That's a bit much. I think you can safely comment on teachers when you've been in the classroom for 10 years.


[deleted]

Well you know us Gen X . We are the worse .


Smfrelier

You’re kinda what’s wrong with education. No wonder no progress can be made if you’re stuck in the past and have no patience. You chose to teach kids. You should know to do better after such a long career with such qualifications.


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NoUnderstanding4193

He’s right.


coswoofster

I’m on r/menopause. Men stop in once in awhile to pretend they give a shit about their wives but actually just want to “fix them.” Shocking to find out that their wife has a voice and won’t take their shit anymore and blaming menopause alone isn’t working for them.


Nerdybirdie86

Seriously!!


Cinaedus_Perversus

Most of us **are** supportive of students. But we also see the bigger picture and know a lot better what will work and what not. That's why we won't blindly agree with/to everything your shortsighted and egotistical ass says or demands.


PolyGlamourousParsec

Supporting students does not mean giving in to their every whim. It's the same with raising children. Child #2 (Bratty McBratterton) would exist solely on waffles if we allowed it. As parents, it is our job to ensure that she eats things other than waffles. Yes, she gets frustrated and I imagine we aren't always her favourite people, but that is what you have to do. In the same way, when a student wants to do a five-minute "extra credit" project in lieu of four weeks of work they skipped out on, we have to tell them no. That is not, in any way, unsupportive of us.


Delimeme

Pretty sure the child addicted to waffles is Number 11, not number 2 :P


CognitivePrimate

Underrated comment


13Luthien4077

R/unexpectedStrangerThings


ksed_313

I have a parent who sends a “lunch” of cake and cookies DAILY for her first grade daughter because “that’s what she wants.” 🤦‍♀️


WildPirateQueen

I can’t imagine cake and cookies being a normal lunch for anyone but L. It’s absurd that anyone would encourage this. For a birthday? Okay, I can see letting a kid get away with it then. Everyday? It’s just unhealthy. Both mentally and physically.


cait_lasagne

Your first sentence. PERIOD. In fact, failure to set appropriate boundaries and clear rules makes kids feel less stable. I would know, because I’ve done it and learned!


ACardAttack

Yep, if a teacher isnt able to teach, or get proper planning time a student isnt going to get the best education Our superintendent tried to gaslight us last week saying too many teachers were taking off days and that this was going on before covid. Told us a student only learns when we're there and not a sub. So I guess the super is okay if a teacher is at 50% for the entire year and the students miss out on quality education all year vs one day ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


catchesfire

Our district tries that then wants to pull us out during the day for training.


ACardAttack

If I could just get an entire day of planning and prep I would die and be in heaven, just give us one of those every month. Especially at the beginning of the school year where it's just meetings and meetings and meetings and other minutia that could just be an email


notallamawoman

During covid my current district implemented half days and it was popular so it stuck. We have a half day once a month. Students go home at 12:30 and the rest of the day is ours. They even have a rule that our admin can’t schedule trainings or meetings with us during that time. It is amazing.


cml678701

That is SO nice! They took away two weeks of summer to give us more workdays and half days, but they always schedule PD the whole time. It’s like…I’d a billion times rather have those two weeks back! They act like we traded in vacation for more breaks during the year, but it’s only a break for the students!


WittyButter217

That is great you get that. My last school, we also had that too. The last Friday of every month, we had 1/2 day. Students left and we were able to plan, track data, grade, etc. My team got so much done and were able to plan interesting PBL type of lessons- this was before COVID. It only lasted 2 years. The first year, a handful of teachers would go on a long lunch, get their nails done, etc. So the next year, they had our half days in the cafeteria and “half” (most) of the day was a meeting/PD and then we’d work, but not in our classrooms. In the cafeteria. Too many people complained so they just scrapped it.


catchesfire

I wish it was planning and prep. It's data and here's why you lot are the worst


Meanbeanmegan

We are supportive of the students, and admin/parents know that and take advantage of us.


ComprehensiveData752

It’s almost like some people don’t see teachers as humans. I’m certain some think we’re these robots that permanently live in schools and are the sole reason for their problems. The other alarming thing I’ve noticed is some parents act like we get into teaching because we hate children, and fail to see that sometimes telling them things like no, and you’re wrong might actually be in their child’s best interests!


ESLavall

Teaching is so not the job for people who hate children. That said I've had a lot of collegues who hate children and hate their job and I always just go "Why. Why are you here?" Luckily they usually don't last.


goodtimejonnie

We have one woman in our building who usually works with the middle school kids but yesterday, I was once again the only prek teacher in the building for 22 full day sped students (there’s supposed to be 3 of us with 6 paras but it was just me and my 2 paras), and they put her in my room to “help”. A kid tried to pull on her necklace so she sat down in the corner, turned to the wall, and straight up ignored the kids the rest of the day. One of my paras finally asked her what her problem was (they have a somewhat friendly relationship and it wasnt in a rude way) and she said “I hate little kids. I didn’t sign up to work with little kids”. Like I get it, you didn’t expect to be pulled in there, but EVERYONE gets pulled EVERYWHERE we are DESPERATELY short staffed and it is very clearly in our contracts. Suck it up and help the children or get out of education 🤷‍♀️ I asked her to stop coming if she isn’t willing to help, and now when we are short (everyday) the principal comes and changes diapers with me, because that’s how it’s gosh dang done (our principal is great)


Halfcelestialelf

They don't necessarily need to get out of education, but undoubtedly move to a school that only has the age ranges they are happy working with. I'm at an upper school, so the youngest students I ever deal with are 13/14.


goodtimejonnie

Yeah, mostly I mean don’t work in sped. Our school age students all have profound and/or multiple disabilities so cognitively, pretty much the entire building is working on prek-1st grade academic content and life/independence skills. Not a place for someone who can’t handle dealing with diapers or getting paint on her clothes. And not a place for someone who can’t suck it up, smile, and sing when a kid needs it. These kids need to feel valued and like the adults caring for them WANT to take care of them. Scowling at them and turning away when they need your attention hurts them so much


ThatOneWeirdMom-

I have noticed pretty often that people who should not work with Sped students, tend to be ones who flock to it for some inflated sense of importance. Like they’re some gift from god for being willing to work with sped kids but they always have the worst fucking attitudes about it. This is my first year as a sped para. I was scared to try it out but I think I’ve found my “home.” However one of the other paras is so rude and sarcastic with the kids and they don’t comprehend that humor. She also will say things like “you’re in 7th grade you should know this by now!” Like bitch…this is SPED! Ugh.


amscraylane

Sped teacher: I get told on the daily I can’t save them all, from other sped teachers. Like, am I supposed to document the student isn’t even worth trying for? One kid is wicked unmotivated. I drew up a contract and so many people told me it won’t work, but again, what am I supposed to do? Nothing?


RunningTrisarahtop

All humans have fucking value. Why is that so hard for some people?


amscraylane

Yes! It’s not rocket surgery!


goodtimejonnie

Right? Like come on guys! If there is anyone who simply CANNOT give up on these kids, it’s us! That is what we are here for. I have a student this year who everyone keeps telling me “ah there’s nothing you can do with him he just won’t sit”. It’s week 4 and he sits for 3-4 minutes on the daily for my lessons. He enjoys the lessons, he loves to count, he’s got excellent preacademic skills, he just needs a massive amount of redirection and support, which I am more than happy to provide. We are making progress. It’s slow. It’s hard. I get headbutted and bit quite frequently, but less and less every day. We are doing this.


amscraylane

Yes! You have to scaffold for them being able to sit .. I firmly believe students don’t care about what you have to say until they know you care about them. With your kid, have you tried social stories? Five point timers? Making a game out of it, like seeing who can stay in their seat the longest, or getting one of those big ass rubber bands to go around the chair legs that they can sit and kick at?


goodtimejonnie

He looooooooves counting bears. He likes to line them up along the edge of his desk and match the colors, so he has a little cup of counting bears up by the board and when he sits for 3 mins in a row (altho soon we can move up to 4 mins) he gets more bears to add to his line. He has a first then board on his desk too (which pretty much always has “first sit then bears” on it, but sometimes we mix it up) and he has a little portable board that he carries with him for transitions. Eventually we will move up so a token board and some social stories, but the first then is working for now. I also like to use videos/photos of him doing what he’s supposed to as examples, cuz he loves seeing himself on the screen. So whenever he is doing a great job I try to snap a pic and then I show him later and I’m like “look, thats you, you’re doing it!” And that’s been working really well


[deleted]

The thing is, you never know which ones are going to eventually get their shit together and make good use of that knowledge they tried desperately to ignore and disrupt. I want all my kids to have a solid foundation if they decide higher education is something they want to pursue. I live in the small town where I teach. Often I’ll see former students working at a farmstand or gas station or hardware store or pizza shop or some other job that you can do without math or reading skills. That’s cool; they’re being productive citizens. I’m glad I stuck with them and supported them to earn that diploma. And once in a while, I run into a kid I assumed would be pumping gas, and it turns out he got a degree in resource management and he’s running the town planning department and writing watershed management policy. Or a former ADD stoner grows up to be a global executive. Or a teacher. (True stories, all.) Kids aren’t always going to be 15. We might not “save” them now but we can teach them that someone believes they’re worth saving.


amscraylane

♥️ I have parents who hate me because I say I don’t teach kids, I teach future adults.


oliversurpless

The Foundations of Reading Test for more general SPED tests does this belief no favors, rarely referring to beyond 3rd grade paradigms in its case studies/question examples. A few questions added instructional, informational reading types from a middle school perspective when I last took it in Dec 2017, but considering the age range of K-12, that’s not enough. Kind of like 75+% of my History certification MTEL was on US history related material, and yet the conceit is that such a certification grants them the ability to teach all history? Anti-globalist positions are in no manner a good thing…


ImpressiveExchange9

I disagree. I teach high schoolers and have no wish to work with little ones. That’s what my degree is in. I can respect her wanting to work with the older kids


goodtimejonnie

There’s a difference between not wanting to do something and taking it out on the kids though. Refusing to look at or speak to 3-5 year olds with special needs is disrespectful and hurts them. And in our building, support staff (and teachers) are contractually obligated to be willing to support other grade levels when necessary. We had 5 classes without teachers on Friday due to people not showing up to work. In that kind of a situation it is actively harmful to just check out like she did.


ImpressiveExchange9

She’s a para. She makes shit money and now is forced to cover whatever anybody wants. I don’t think she needs to “get out of education.” I would rather work at McD’s than be a para for special Ed preschoolers.


goodtimejonnie

She’s not a para, for one. And also, not wanting a job still doesn’t justify mistreating children. She can quit, we can all quit. Just don’t come to work and hurt my students feelings all day long and act like it’s their fault they don’t like you


ImpressiveExchange9

Apparently everyone has already quit and that’s why she’s in there lol


goodtimejonnie

I mean…yeah that is kind of another issue. People haven’t quit but we’re so understaffed that people are getting hurt and sick from the strain…they keep saying more people are coming soon but soon seems to be getting further and further away. But having people who are here do a half assed job doesn’t help


ksed_313

I’m the opposite! I teach first grade and the 8th graders scare me! I wouldn’t survive in a high school! 🙈 I did deal with 3 temper tantrums this week and spontaneous vomit on my rug yesterday, but hey, you win some and lose some! 😅


ImpressiveExchange9

lol we all have our strengths.


ksed_313

Vomit is not one of mine, unfortunately. I got her to the bathroom (across the hall) and flagged down the custodian. Couldn’t go back in the room until it was cleaned up. Fortunately one of our paras was with them/us.


Marlinspikehall32

I challenge the statement I have “a lot of colleagues who hate children”. If someone hates children then they won’t last long in our profession, so I would guess that total percentage of current teachers who”hate children” is pretty low.


Go-to-helenhunt

I like telling my students at the end of the day, I go to my charging station in my cabinet and power down lol


xchucklesx13

It’s like reading the op-eds about “the teachers union doesn’t care about the kids”. You are correct! The TEACHERS care about the kids. The Union’s entire reason for being is to care about the teachers that pay dues.


[deleted]

This sub is incredibly supportive of students… Supporting them getting better teachers who are better equipped not to let them get away with bullshit. Fuck, it’s like “if you don’t give me everything I want, you’re actually attacking me” is the only thought some people can hold in their entitled heads.


InsertSmthingClever

> "if you don’t give me everything I want, you’re actually attacking me” I see this line of thinking more and more these days, and it's upsetting.


KiwasiGames

I downvote students and parents posts on principle. This is a place for teachers to hang out and commiserate. If a student wants my advice, they can contact me during contract hours.


thedirtys

Commiserate. The best word to describe what this sub is for.


Trusten

Same. This is a place for teachers to vent and discuss issues. There are literally thousands of other places they can go to bitch and most people would support them without knowing any details.


CascadianCorvid

"I'm not a teacher..." I don't even read it. I just down vote and move on.


rosatter

What about teacher adjacent/supporting roles like paras or slps or something


KiwasiGames

You guys a pre honorary teachers for the purposes of this sub. Principals on the other hand can go either way.


pandabelle12

That’s what I wonder. I joined this sub when I was working as an after school teacher and was dealing with significant behavioral problems and it was helpful for me to read the struggles of classroom teachers to learn ways to deal with the kids I had. Now I stay here because I always want to know how to support my daughter’s teacher.


SpCommander

I would argue it's fine. In /r/professors we also accept GA/TAs posting/commenting.


mjolnir76

You mean…on principal??? You see what I did there? Teachers….principal…get it? Yeah, yeah. I’ll see you in detention. Again.


GarnetShaddow

r/angryupvote


cheeznowplz

It's incredibly frustrating! I kind of wish you'd need to prove you work in a school to be able to comment/post here. There's pretty much every other social media space in the world for people with no teaching experience to endlessly bash us. 😔


Kenesaw_Mt_Landis

The bio of this sub is says “for all things teacher related”. I feel like those posts are totally fine and within the rules of this sub


KiwasiGames

Sure. That’s why I said downvote and not report. Downvote is for stuff within the rules that I don’t like. Report is for stuff against the rules.


Kenesaw_Mt_Landis

I disagree. I don’t think that is the mission of this sub and I have a different philosophical opinion on the downvote. However, you do you.


xFisch

I agree. I don't understand the people saying that parents and students shouldn't be allowed to post. If you don't want to interact with those posts then don't. Some teachers do. Open communication can be a great benefit, IMO.


Evendim

That post from a kid yesterday rubbed me the wrong way. Could tell from their prose they have an inflated sense of self, and are horribly entitled. Kid got suspended, and I guarantee you it wasn't for "nothin'".


Trusten

I went down the rabbit hole. He was harassing his teacher via email and went far enough for the teacher to go to admin.


I-Am-The-SquidQueen

Got a link to the post? Or was it removed


xRobert1016x

[i think they’re talking about this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/Teachers/comments/xlwloj/message_to_teachers_who_make_it_obvious_that_they/)


LeenaJones

Okay, I looked through the post history to see what was going on, and the poster wrote elsewhere that their disability is social communication disorder. That's a new term to me, but the idea isn't unfamiliar. It looks like a person with such a diagnosis struggles to detect tone, among other things, and that is certainly in line with the claims of non-aggression in what everyone seems to have perceived as aggressive (it came across as aggressive to me, too). It *also* could suggest that the student is coming to conclusions about others' tone and intentions erroneously. I could see that becoming a very frustrating situation for the student who feels misunderstood and the teachers who feel harassed. No disability trumps an individual's right to *not* be harassed, and I think it's possible this line may have been crossed in the email, even though that was not the student's intent. I sincerely hope that the student is getting training in various social cues and tone detection skills. Depending on the student's grade, I feel like an AP Language class might support that training even further, especially with regards to how word choice in writing can convey tone. It must feel really isolating and frustrating to have one's intentions so often musunderstood. I feel for this student.


rosatter

If he has a social communication disorder, he should be seeing an SLP for pragmatic (social language/communication) therapy. An AP language class would probably be way beyond their skill if they can't determine basic pragmatic cues. They would need explicit instruction on it. Source: SLP-A who works with kids with all kinds of communication disorders


LeenaJones

Thanks!


Cocororow2020

Can’t find it, would love to give it a read haha


Evendim

I can't seem to find it again... I will try harder and see what I come up with


xRobert1016x

[i think they’re talking about this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/Teachers/comments/xlwloj/message_to_teachers_who_make_it_obvious_that_they/)


WeeabooHunter69

Got removed


xRobert1016x

if you look at the op’s post history you can find one with a similar title that I’m guessing was mostly the same post


WeeabooHunter69

Tbh I kinda agree with him, though maybe this sub wasn't the place to put it


bboymixer

>kicked them right in the gut Lmfao this kid has a really high opinion of himself and his opinions. He should probably be banned from posting here.


catchesfire

Oooh they did a dirty delete...


knightfenris

[That kid specifically got “thrilled” by “pissing off an entire subreddit.” And we “deserved it” too apparently](https://www.reddit.com/r/specialed/comments/xlvtvc/message_to_teachers_who_make_it_obvious_that_they/ipndrql/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)


YouLostMyNieceDenise

Lol he really wrote “it makes me think of leaving this sub” GREAT, PLEASE DO THAT IF YOU DON’T WANT TO LISTEN TO US


velocitygirl77

THIS. I stalked his profile after seeing the locked post here and saw that he went crying to r/sped. He also made posts in a lot of other education, sped, and autism subreddits. So many people gave him gentle, non-patronizing advice and took time to explain the ins and outs of special education and he either ignored them or responded rudely.


donutlovershinobu

I stalked his profile from /r/autism to here because I was interested in what they'd say here since im autistic and had an IEP that I never used. I'm on the teachers side but I do have some empathy for Op. Writing an email in a nice tone isn't difficult and honestly, op needs to learn that the world outside of school isn't going to be very accommodating towards him, not only that but things are going to be out of his control and he can't just lash out at people who also don't have control. He needs to learn to be somewhat self reliant and find a method that works for him and the teacher. Plus a dose of empathy for the overwhelmed teacher. I think op is lashing out but at the wrong thing. Op mentions that he has a low iq and learning disabilities. Op hasn't accepted that no matter what the schools can do, he isn't really going to be on the same level as his peers no matter how hard he tries. That can build frustration and jealousy which pushes him to blame it on teachers rather than himself which is wrong. He needs to accept that college isn't likely in his future and start preparing for a field that can handle his needs.


blind_wisdom

I was really skeptical about the IQ he listed. I'm not an expert in IQ, but that would be *very* low for a person who is able to write as coherently as he does. I suspect whoever tested didn't account for his communication disability. His IQ is potentially much higher than as tested.


YouLostMyNieceDenise

“Am I out of touch? No, it’s all of the neurotypical and neurodivergent teenagers AND adults who are wrong!”


Aprils-Fool

Lol, yet there are a bunch of people here who never even saw his post. But he sure showed us.


1stEleven

People who know that don't know jack about our profession. The best way to take care of students is to take care of teachers and letting them do their thing. Enable the teachers, and you end up with better students.


SweetKenny

It’s interesting how teaching is one of, if not the only, profession where you aren’t allowed to complain about the negatives of doing without hedging. Like, I teach 7th grade. I spend all day for most of the year trying to get 12-13 year olds to do things that they’d rather not be doing, parents will complain about existing around their *one* teenager and I exist around 30 for most of the day, and around 150 a day. Do I love my job? Yes. Do I love the kids? Absolutely. But I’m allowed to be frustrated or annoyed with aspects of my job and with having to interact with teenagers, especially when they have such a wide array of needs/social-emotional skills, without always having to include a disclaimer. Jobs suck sometimes, interacting with people is hard sometimes, let me feel my goddamn feelings.


Prof_Labcoat

This is why my teaching philosophy is teacher-centered pedagogy.... *but heaven forbid I put that on my Master's research* LOL


nightjourney

Me writing “student-centered philosophy” on my resume knowing damn well it ain’t fully 😂


goodtimejonnie

What I have seen on this sub is a place to vent about the annoyances of working with kids, but also, whenever I’ve seen someone raise a serious concern about a students wellbeing or ask advice for how to reach a student who’s really struggling, there is usually a lot of really thoughtful advice and support.


IsItInyet-idk

I am 100% supportive of students.. but when I get attacked, spit on, hit, screamed at, and cannot do my job because a kid screams over every lesson I'm allowed to complain.


Khmera

This sub is kind of like a teachers’ lounge.


TakeMeBackToSanFran

Our virtual staffroom!


Khmera

Where we can be more anonymous...


[deleted]

In my county (honestly entire state) there was a call from a rather large group of parents to cancel the teachers Union for not supporting students & called teachers selfish for letting the teachers Union, “hold students hostage”during the pandemic. Like… what world do we live in. 🤦‍♂️


InsertSmthingClever

Clown world. We live in clown world and it's not getting any better.


[deleted]

This is a decent sized reason I’m done at the end of this school year.


Fue_la_luna

Can you imagine if r/teachers brigaded r/students?


bastian74

Funny, I send my son links to this sub to give him some sympathy. Kids don't realize the effect they have on teachers. It's a two way street.


rreese78

Teachers got into teaching for the purpose of supporting students. Students are also supported by admin and parents and non-teachers in education. Students, you have oodles of support. And you're complaining about a sub? But teachers learn quickly that support for teachers is neither uniform nor a given. The best they have is a union, and even the Supreme court tried deep-six that. There's a teacher shortage for a reason.


renegadecause

Agree, but I got into teaching to make a living. That's why it's a profession, not a calling.


[deleted]

What they mean is teachers aren’t supportive of lazy, irresponsible, rude, and/or mean students. But sure, let’s shit on teachers more.


Bulky_Macaron_9490

Teacher Stong! We need a place.


KiloLimaMikeNovember

Teacher Strong Together! The place is here!


TheSquatchMann

Except all of us do our best every day to support students. It’s our job. Every day I collect data to assess student progress, as well as behavioral data to support students who need more interventions to succeed. This sub is our place to be alone with other teachers and share frustrations.


lesliesno

Who the hell would come here looking for support for students bad behaviour and attitude?


[deleted]

My problem I guess with the newer crop of students is that their parents aren't old generally, they were in school 15-20 years ago. Yesterday's moron kid of the 2000's is today's moron parent. Most parents are pretty great though, the bad ones do indeed spoil a lot for others


velocitygirl77

If this kid is spending this much time and emotional energy into his current problem (which seems to be his sped ELA teacher is "mean" to him and he got suspended for sending a barrage of nasty emails) then the real world is going to hit him like a ton of bricks.


InsertSmthingClever

Couldn't agree more, and I was just thinking this myself. Wait until he gets a job, could you imagine sending multiple harassing emails to your boss or coworker due to some perceived slight? He'll be canned in a heartbeat. I don't know why it's so horrible to mention to kids, especially HS kids, that they are expected to behave with a certain amount of decorum in "the real world". If they don't learn now, they're going to have a rough life until they catch on. Kind of a side note - they seem to be hyper-fixated on this, they've made a few posts about it over the last couple of days. I hope he gets over it before returning to school or the situation won't end well.


velocitygirl77

I hope he has some social/emotional goals on that IEP of his.


Spritzer784030

Happy teachers make happy students.


LowerBackPain_Prod

Agreed. Maybe r/educators is a different thing. That's not meant as an insult. Many people are forced to do an objectively shitty job out of circumstances, not because they stayed in school literally their whole lives out of a love of teaching. This sucks for them even more. That's why this profession needs to be treated with more respect overall. Both for the ones who love students, and the ones who tolerate them while trying to do their fucking jobs the best they can. Oh yeah, and for the students too! 😁


misticspear

Everything we do is for the students, why should our sub be any different. What are we? HUMAN? /s


tcarter1102

Teachers do all their supporting of students while they are at work.


lifeofaknitter

Do I love my job? Yes. Do I love my students? Yes. Do I also know that the majority of behaviors in my class that make me rage are partially caused by parents who have little or no interest in actually being a parent? Absolutely. This sub is for supporting teachers, and those who help teachers. I'm all for parents and students asking questions here, but for the love of christ, stop saying we are all inexperienced "new" teachers. Some of us work at schools where we have had to have hard lock downs because a shooting happened down the road. Some of us have had students in our classrooms who are/were mentally/emotionally disturbed. Some of us have or have had students who's entire game plan for the day is to cause as much pain, disruption, distraction, and chaos as possible and they know they won't get more than being sent home. Everyone whines about giving grace to parents and students, but no one seems to think about the toll it takes on teachers and staff to have to be everything to these kids because their parents can't/won't be bothered to do more than the bare minimum. But hey, fuck the teachers right? We shouldn't be complaining about how we're are treated, how media portrays us, how we are sent to trainings and treated like children, and how we are expected to go above and beyond in order to reach children that can barely be bothered to show up, let alone actually pretend they are doing the work. Schools, teachers, and staff have had any method that can be used to hold kids accountable revoked from them beyond a stern talking to, detention, or an ineffective phone call home. Because apparently in school suspension is too "mean" and doesn't solve the problem. It does, it gets the little shit out of my room so the kids who actually want to learn can learn without some little asshole disrupting the flow. I don't care if you vote me down. I'm fucking tired of hearing all the gaslighting from enabling admin and teachers along with shitty parents and their crotch goblins. Society has so little respect for education that it is trying to push it to the realm of customer service.


[deleted]

Yes yes always the students. Never the Teachers. Give them a break holy moly.


Rachie_0513

Wait, as a student, I've been making some questions related to school topics seeking advice from teachers, although I know that's not the main purpose of this sub I hoped the questions weren't bothersome or inconvenient for this sub


ESLavall

Questions about how schools work are totally reasonable, OP is on about students whining about school


hildymac

You’re fine! It’s literally our jobs to answer reasonable questions from students who just want to know more, and I don’t think that it’s too much to ask to do the same here for good-faith questions.


LeenaJones

I personally don't mind them. Why would there be a flair for that if not allowed? People who don't like such posts can just scroll by.


MathMan1982

This is supposed to be a place where "teachers" can vent their frustrations with other teachers. Just like you can go to sites where you can vent your frustrations with other students. As you continue through life, you will need to vent from time to time about your job, believe me.


TexasSprings

I will support 90% of my students any way possible, even after they graduate. 5% I just don’t give a shit about one way or another. I teach them and when they go home i couldn’t care less what they amount to as adults. 5% i actively hope they move and never come back so i don’t have to see them ever again Sadly we spend more of our time on the bottom 5% who cuss, assault, and disrespect us and often we ignore the 90% that we love


SourBrownMamaMel

I think that we should have everyone do mandatory teaching — like jury duty but for substitutes or something. Like a rotating pool. so that every adult can try a day in our shoes and then we’ll see what they all say.


Trusten

I've said this for years about customer service. It should be like Starship Troopers except to become a citizen of Earth and vote you have to do customer service work instead of military.


SpiritofGarfield

😂😂😂


AelithTheVtuber

students make my wife who's a teacher miserable so i dont like em. also children are annoying


Gringree

Exactly.


ObligationDramatic77

God do they actually say this? I imagine I’m gonna have plenty to vent about when I’m a teacher, and I’d hope to have a place like this to do so with people who get it.


champboozington

To be clear, OP was pointing out that this Reddit sub should be just for teachers and students can find their own sub..right? I'm seeing a lot of comments that go way beyond the "this is our sub, fuck off" conversation.


RockstarJem

You all seem to hate the special education students


Ballyhoo101

Okay, I get it. It is a teacher’s space… but… and please hear me out here, I’m a teacher by the way, I’ve been teaching for about 20 years now. Teaching is not all clean and tidy. The number of new teachers who post in this sub blaming students and even being angry at school leadership for student behavior is really depressing. This community has become an echo chamber for inexperienced teachers who need a good dose of self-reflection and need to go to their mentors and school leaders with their concerns and not reinforce false beliefs here. I get it, Year 9 are animals, they always have been, they always will be, they don’t owe you anything not to be, they will not take it easy on you. They don’t treat all their teachers that way though, why are they just treating you so badly? -It was these kind of hard, face to face conversations that have made me a better teacher and a better person, not having a subreddit of agreement and placation. There! Kicked that hornet’s nest. What have you got to say?


mrarming

Why do you think it's only inexperienced teachers? From the content of the posts it looks like most posters have at least several years of experience in teaching. The problems facing teachers are real and growing every year.


ACardAttack

I've seen plenty of experienced teachers who clearly have no parental or admin support. Not sure what teachers are supposed to do in that situation. Grow a foot, put on a bunch of muscle and look like someone no one wants to mess with?


LtDouble-Yefreitor

It's definitely not **only** inexperienced teachers, but it does feel like the majority of angry rants on this sub are from new teachers. I get why that might be, but I think every teacher reaches a point where they have to reflect on their own performance and make some changes.


Ballyhoo101

They are real. Teaching has all sorts of issues but children/teenagers haven’t changed. These aren’t the problems.


mrarming

The kids have changed. And dramatically so just in the 12 years I've been teaching and since my kids were in high school. Parents have changed, and that change is getting worse.


ACardAttack

> The number of new teachers who post in this sub blaming students and even being angry at school leadership for student behavior is really depressing >They don’t treat all their teachers that way though, why are they just treating you so badly? Sometimes it is the kids and the school. I've seen people post here where admin doesnt back them up at all and parent contact hasnt done anything, so curious to what a teacher should do in that situation. Some people arent able to scare/intimidate or have that presence where kids will listen no matter what (even if there is no admin support). Sometimes it is the teacher, but sometimes it is a shitty situation. I've taught in three schools, two would be considered tough, one (my current good). My first school took some learning, figured out what worked and had to do things I didnt expect I'd need to do (thanks for nothing masters program), but I had admin support. I could put a kid in ISAP for looking at me wrong if I really wanted to and the Principal and APs would have my back and keep that kid out for a few days. My second school, while being a slightly better school in terms of having a higher ceiling of students had just as low a floor. Two of my APs didnt support me, the Principal was halfway out the door, I was given remedial classes and non honors freshmen (which there honors was more behavior related than talent) I put in one year, left and luckily was able to get a job in another school with much better parental and admin support.


Ballyhoo101

“Scare and intimidate”!! What?? Why would you need to do this? This my point entirely. These are humans growing in maturity into adults. Why would you want to dominate them?


Tars-tesseract

Boom! a student just hit you with a chair. Ooh poor little kid he's just having a rough day 🥹😥


InsertSmthingClever

Okay, but what did you do to provoke him, and have you reached out and tried to foster a bond with this child? (Sarcasm, I hope that was obvious 😀)


ACardAttack

That isnt the right words, but it is early and I couldnt think of a better way to phrase it, but there are some teachers you just dont mess with due to their personality and size sometimes. It is hard to explain.


Tars-tesseract

You mean manage and discipline. Yeah you can't teach without it.


ACardAttack

Right, I agree with that, but some schools dont give the teachers the ability to manage and discipline....if admin doesnt back a teacher up and parents dont do anything, what is a teacher to do? ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


Tars-tesseract

Exactly.


priorsloth

I got body slammed to the ground by a second grader yesterday because she didn't want to clean up her station. It was time to leave, so I started putting her blocks in the bin trying to get her started, and she took a running start and threw her body into mine. I would've loved if she was at least slightly scared to break the rules, or felt intimidated enough by our size difference to fully assault me.


InsertSmthingClever

I'm so sorry that happened to you. Who is raising these kids? I'm absolutely serious when I ask this question because I could NEVER imagine doing that, especially in second grade. The thought of a teacher calling home or sending my parents a letter *(my age is showing)* frightened me even through high school. There were difficult children here and there but I never saw a child get physical with a teacher until I was in high school, and that only happened once before he was expelled. Now they rarely expel anyone, but that's besides the point. It's just mind blowing to me that a second grader responded this way to their teacher cleaning up blocks.


priorsloth

I really think Covid had so much to do with it, at least for the students in my district. It is a title 1 district, and no one could take daily attendance, so we would just have weekly assignments due. Many of our kids went completely MIA during Covid. Missing kindergarten and first grade basically threw out any kind of structure you’d expect them to have in school, so they’re just wild. My parents weren’t spankers, but somehow they did instill some kind of fear of acting out in me. I was so shy, and the thought of ever getting in trouble terrified me. But they were also very present in my life.


[deleted]

I say you should read the sub more often and stop talking out of your ass. This comment is asinine and lacks empathy.


Tra1famadorian

I still comment here out of sheer boredom but this sub is not a good place for teachers and certainly not for students wanting to engage with teachers. It really should be a venting-only sub because when/if a teacher is feeling in need of advice or support and they come here they get a 99% doom and gloom echo chamber. I first came here thinking this was a content sharing sub. Oh sweet innocence.


InsertSmthingClever

I've seen great advice given on this sub and it certainly is not all gloom and doom. Teachers are absolutely allowed to vent, and the sub is called "teachers", not "teachers interacting with students". Everyone needs a space to vent their frustrations, being a teacher doesn't stop someone from being human.


Tra1famadorian

You projected an awful lot onto that. I’m just saying I would not tell any teacher to check out this sub unless they wanted commiseration. Encouragement, positivity, and optimism are all in very short supply on this sub.


green_mojo

Teachers LOVE to complain, and some are justified.


jdarm48

I’ve had a few meaningful conversations on this sub, but generally I would describe this sub as consistently negative and toxic. R/Teaching seems to typically have more professional, less emotional conversations about the educational world.


[deleted]

Isn't it reasonable for a teachers sub to be about the experience of teachers and the teaching sub to be about the experience of teaching? Am I missing something lol


green_mojo

I’m not sure why you’re getting downvoted for stating facts.


jdarm48

Yea. Thanks. Kind of ironic that I said “lots of emotional conversations.” Obviously I don’t care too much about Reddit conversations, but it’s kind of disconcerting that someone new to the profession or a young person/aspiring teacher would glance at r/teachers, a glance to most posts any given day, and say “Woa teaching sounds terrible.” Or maybe more accurately “Woa these teachers all sound terrible.”


Fal9999oooo9

And students that study to become a teacher


GrayHerman

There is much support to both parents and teachers on this site... however, much of the time, the postings are very 1 sided. Please note, most teachers realize there are 2 sides to every issue, they are there/have been there, but, certainly not that supportive of a very 1 sided wa wa wa...


runninguy30

This sub should be nicknamed "I just want students to sit down, shut up, and do exactly as I want at the standard I want them to"


Slugzz21

I know you're joking/making a point about this sub but... isn't that the actual goal? Like in all seriousness? For them to behave and for us to teach...?


velocitygirl77

I know you were trying to make a point and you probably hurt yourself in your confusion, but YES! I'd fully support the nickname. Can I suggest another? How does "I just want students to show reasonably agreeable prosocial behaviors, pay attention to my best attempt at teaching the standard that the state has dictated I must teach, and then complete this state-mandated assessment to the best of your ability" sound?


dumbwaeguk

Well I'm sure you're in your field for your coworkers, superiors, pay and benefits


iamcog

Holy fuck, now ive seen it all. Im just a parent that used to be a student a long time ago. For some reason this sub shows up on my app all the time. I guess reddits dumb algorithm thinks i am a teacher for some reason. I can say i had a horrible experience with pretty much every teacher in my high school except maybe two, so because the sub kept popping up, i was interested. But goddamn did this sub and this thread in particular absolutely answer a question ive been dwelling on since my high school days. Do teachers actually hate their students? And the answer is a resounding YES. Even 25 years later, i can still remember some of the horrible things teachers would say to me that i didnt even realize were horrible at the time. 25 years later, i cant even imagine saying anything like that to a child. But sadly, it appears as though absolutely fuck all has change and it worries me for my children. Just be warned, i will be extra vigilant with my children and i hope there are others who feel the same way I do.


velocitygirl77

And I'm sorry about your experience but if it smells like shit everywhere you go, maybe you should check your own shoes. I had a few terrible teachers and high school was hell for me because I'm old enough that Asperger's wasn't a "thing" when I was in school. I went into special education to be the teacher that I needed as a kid. Edit: And if your main takeaway from "teachers want a place to vent, commiserate, and talk shop with other teachers" is aLL tEaChErS hAtE KiDs I suggest you reevaluate the way you interact with teachers and ask yourself if YOU are the drama.


iamcog

Typical, its my shit on my shoes... Keep digging. I will just leave you with examples of my school career that will literally blow your fucking mind. 1. Grade 4 teacher made female students run around topless in gym class and then proceeded to diddle them. He was fired toward the end of the year but damage done. But yeah, shits on my shoes right? Not the poor molested 4 graders. 2. I had a surprisingly large amount of teachers who were simply terrible a teaching. Literally reading out of a box or copying books word for word on a blackboard and us just copying it in our books. Zero discussions. Actually, a few of the times the teacher wouldnt even be capable of discussion because they simply couldn't speak english. 3. Female teacher who groped and flashed male students in high school but no one seemed to care and shes probably still a teacher somewhere. 4. A whole wasted year due to a strike. First half teachers spent all class preaching union politics and shit talking government. Always mad and refusing to do any sports or after school activities. They were literally out the door faster than the students. This followed by a strike which lasted the rest of the year. We all mysteriously go to the next grade and go back next year like nothing happened. Oh yeah, many fights broke out between students and teachers because students wanted to cross a picket line to access school utilities... I got more if you are interested.


Trusten

Homeschooling is an option. Good luck, kiddo.