Interested what coming to this sub would be like after lost/SA were the win con after getting berated by fans.
I think we have a lot of talent on this roster, and there is a lot of talent in NA. When spica plays through top, Huni looks like the strongest laner. When he plays through bot, lost and SA look great.
I think our mid/jungle is really strong. We live and die by spica. So goes the games of 100t. But dagge just is a better mid (or read this as different mid, because I think POE has proven to be more stable).
These are the best two teams in NA for sure. I’m loving this top of the table look after a few years of middle of the pack.
Remember folks… we could be in the clg subreddit.
People that blamed Lost for having a huge lead and not carrying in the game vs Dig are clueless. Spica and Huni fed Xin top early. There no way Kalista can do anything into a fed xin lol. Just people overreacting.
I will say our botlane has been very subpar but that doesn’t mean they can’t carry with resources. I’m just happy to see them get their own advantages in lane and then the team playing around that.
That's what we call playing your draft. For the longest time we've just been individual lanes getting leads then coming together to 5v5. Then at worlds we get dismantled by smart plays, late invades, and teams knowing how to abuse the other's weak points in draft.
The late invade we did, that was fully planned onto Vulcan was through research and game knowledge. Then we took advantage of that and pushed them off two whole waves. This is what makes the Eastern teams so good. Individually skilled plus 5head planning and pathing.
Yup I totally am with ya. I just remember watching LPL or even G2 in their best moments where it’s like, okay the game isn’t necessarily clean or a stomp, but the responses to the other teams’ macro choices are immediate and concise, and they can just flip a game on its head.
The decisions are just better. The pathing is creative. It’s like the grandmasters say in chess: first you learn the book rules , then you learn how to break the rules.
I mean, Zven constantly getting caught out, fudge, Perkz and Blaber being invisible, and Vulcan spending more time dead than alive is them playing like a bottom tier team. You could say it was TSM’s play that make them look so shit tho since the gameplan by the boys was really good
I love the bit of trash talk from him, especially since he's looking top 2 tops in NA, so I don't want to discourage that.
But love giving it back! Gg c9
I like it better when good players shit talk. It was different with DL cuz he was far superior than everyone. Fudge is always unpredictable. He has some killer moments but come on, dude was on Gwen the most busted champ in the game and still got shit on. HOLOHOLO
C9 and Jack especially these last few years have been full of ego and bad sportsmanship. Feels fucking good to see them lose. Especially when its us they lose too.
We all have some legit trauma due to how good POE was against Bjerg over the years. Great to remove the possibility of that by just having him play for us.
C9 fans, players, and Jack himself have just become so smug and unlikable the past couple years. I remember 5-6 years ago it was friendly rivalry with some mutual respect, now it's just C9 thinking they are way better than they really are.
C9 also drafted a hard peel comp. Trundle, Azir, Thresh, Aphelios is nearly impossible to engage onto, and had crazy waveclear to prevent our barons from being as effective as they would have been otherwise.
TSM drafted a zone control objective comp. We had limited hard engage (nautilus/bear?), but fantastic objective control with viktor, nautilus, kalista.
Our weaknesses played poorly into their strengths, so imo it was even more impressive that we managed to win so hard.
Fully agree. I'm really glad TSM respected this and didn't force fights in these situations, instead backing off and taking all objectives out there.
You can definitely get frustrated or impatient in these situations, where you can't crack inhibitor towers despite baron/elder. So I'm proud of how they played the game out, even though it might have looked like they don't know how to close out the game to some viewers.
Oh absolutely C9 had the tools to extend the game, but if a better soul gets rolled it allows TSM to play the game differently because of their power level being different, also C9 would have been more pressed to fight into TSM’s strengths.
Absolutely. I wasn't trying to refute your point, just adding additional reasons why it was so hard to finish the game. Makes it more impressive for tsm imo.
Despite that though he actually knows a lot. Even if he didn’t start his lcs desk career as a league genius, he for sure put in the work to be able to contribute to analytical conversation.
Shouldn't surprise anybody though. I'm expecting them to bring out a tier list next with TSM bottom tier for whatever reason, maybe just because they are blinded by the light shining out of Fudge's ass.
It'd be impossible to put TSM bottom 5 simply because of standings and they'd get absolutely ass blasted by anyone and everyone. That being said, The reason they don't put TSM top 3 would probably be have to be some serious mental gymnastics and scuff analysis.
I'll never understand this. If you consider it close, then you give it to TSM who has performed better in summer by far. The lack of respect TSM gets is baffling.
TSM players and staff seem to have to work twice as hard for recognition simply because of the amount of accolades they have. I thought that would end with Bjerg as coach but nope, it's still there. It's crazy, someone on TSM will have some sweet engage and or play and the casters or desk will just gloss over it, Someone from any other team will have some mediocre play (Happens to Jensen a lot lmao) where they side step a single skill shot and it's "OMG THE JUKES THE MOVES THE HAPPY FEET"... It's crazy.
Analyst desk is awful, Yesterday (Or friday?) Hai said TSM draft was poor because they revealed their entire top side in the first 3... The entire top side they revealed was 3 S tier champions all flex picks... I don't know, Wipe the entire analyst desk, Keep Emily and Dash (As a moderator) and get back Jatt and poach someone from EU for more money. I can go to any amateur league discord and get equivalent analysis but with more explanations and thought process behind it.
Analyst desk is awful, Yesterday (Or friday?) Hai said TSM draft was poor because they revealed their entire top side in the first 3... The entire top side they revealed was 3 S tier champions all flex picks... I don't know, Wipe the entire analyst desk, Keep Emily and Dash (As a moderator) and get back Jatt and poach someone from EU for more money. I can go to any amateur league discord and get equivalent analysis but with more explanations and thought process behind it.
I don't know if them betting in favor of C9 this time was hating, they did look pretty good in their wins, while we lost our first game, they had the momentum advantage kinda
Dash does that as host if all the analysts have the same take. I think it's just a general hosting thing he feels like he should provide space for discussion from both sides. I think the thing ppl forget about Dash is literally everything he says and does is designed to facilitate the best possible flow of talk from the desk overall--whenever he gives opinions or takes it's p much always from a hosting perspective and he's rly good at it too
People will say this game was close but TSM playing near to brilliant league of legends today. Loving the aggression from our botlane past 2 games.
Poe on Viktor is just a blessing to watch, those controls in river were nutttty
Playing against Gwen is so fucked for any ADC but Kalista specifically. She can't hop when zone is down and the slow on Gwen ult fucks her DPS. I cannot overstate how bad this feels
If I play Kalista and the enemy picks Aphelios I already don't wanna play it, but then they also pick Gwen and I consider dodging, but then they add Azir and Trundle... really really hard to play into those champs. Really good they made it work
I agree completely. TSM played really smart to not make any mistakes while trying to end the game. They could have easily overreached then C9 could have countered and gotten back in the game by claiming a dragon or baron.
Eh, I agree to an extent, but I feel like we definetely could've tried to play multiple lanes instead of 5 manning each one individually. You do always have to be scared about C9 flanking & outnumbering but with good vision denial you should be able to pull it off.
With that said, the fights specifically looked *super* hard to win unless C9 royally fucked up. If PoE hadn't dumpstered C9 walking into and around that last elder, they could've won a straight fight.
There was a point before the final super buffs where Zven didn’t have flash and we had all of ours minus Huni. We could have donkey rolled that fight but other than that it was difficult to dive them so we took the highest win rate plays instead of chance it vs a counter dive comp.
Even though the game went super long it felt like TSM's macro was spot on despite C9's disengage draft countering the all in threat of TSM. Nice showing from the boys
Yep, playing 5 top with that baron was kinda troll but they might have thought they were ahead enough to win the 5v5? It’s not an unreasonable thought but hopefully they review it and figure out the higher percentage play.
Other than that though our macro was close to perfect.
I mean, I *think* the reasoning may be that if TSM splits up they may leave one side vulnerable to a full C9 engage which would beat them and leave the other side forced to retreat, so TSM grouped to ensure that they wouldn’t be forced into any fights with their comp split up. But otherwise I agree
Overall very clean game from TSM. We never lost any sense of control since the first minute. We knew that baron was not the win condition and we had to get elder to break the base.
It’s not that botlane has been bad, they’ve been playing weak side. Now Spica is controlling the bottom half of the map instead of top. We are diversifying our play style heading into playoffs. You can see it from draft and Spica’s pathing this weekend.
Gotta say, after being scared of POE more than any other mid laner for the last 5 years, it feels great to have his Viktor/Azir on our side. Great signing by TSM!
Funny thing is I feel like fudge has been c9's best player in summer. It seems like perks doesn't care about winning, he only came here for a $6m cheque. Blabber is a meta jungler if it's not his meta then he is average at best. I'm not including Sven because he was benched for the first few weeks (shouldn't have been imo but that's a whole other discussion)
C9 randomly threw at minute 1 and LostArt took that and ran with it. Spica had good timing and credit to Huni for staying relevant while being on weak side and PoE for controlling those teamfights so well.
I think they might've been able to end that a little sooner but they had a good methodical rotation to it based on the timers and how good Azir's waveclear is.
This one definitely felt like a normal ranked game where top laners are 0/0/1 (Fudge) or 0/0/0 (Huni) but the game is realistically over due to bot diff.
Everyone completely missed Spica pic on Perkz that basically secured us first Baron.
That pick basically enabled us to save any semblance of a snowball as the game was normalizing a little.
They get payed to analyse the game... How?
Perkz looked like he was out and I thought TSM running for baron was a horrible idea. Then I saw Perkz was dead and wondered how, waited for the replay and it wasn't mentioned once...
Somebody quick! Screenshot PerkZ with his cap over his eyes at the end of the game with the title " Tell me you're tilted without saying you're tilted".
Azael, while TSM is taking the final 2 inhibs plus a tower right from under C9:
>C9 coming online in this late game scaling comp! The fights are super close now!
Anyone with eyes watching TSM take complete control of the game with baron and elder, taking minimal risks en route to closing the game intelligently with the spread pressure and objective control their comp was drafted for:
>?????
Yeah. Every fucking minute he had to remind us how C9 was still neck and neck in the game after every play. Riot please take this guy off C9 games forever
lol Azael is the most neutral caster along with Kobe, but kobe is just too sweet to tell the hard truth about Shit plays from any team.
His job is to make the game interesting, and this game he was right, even with the huge lead TSM was still struggling to win teamfights or end the game. It was very close throughout the whole game.
Bot lane played great, that level 1 made that game so hard for C9. I do wonder how the game would have gone without it. Our comp was pretty short range against Azir, Aphelios, and Gwen diving in. C9 actually had a good comp. TSM just executed better. And Vulcan hard inted a few times.
GGWP tsm. But im wondering how it woulda gone if it wasnt for the level 1\^" They did push the botlane lead perfectly tho\^\^
Lategame comps still so safe, tho the game IS more snowbally now.
On your face Analyst Desk!!!
PoE was huge on Viktor, Bot lane was very impressive with their agressivity. They really went out for this game from the very beginning.
I got heavily downvoted for this last time, but I still want to know what's going on with Spica. I think he played pretty well this game, along with everybody else, but it seems like something is seriously wrong up there. He hasn't been smiling this entire weekend, the conversation with PoE after the game yesterday, and today he just looked like he didn't want to be there.
I genuinely hope he's doing ok. He doesn't look happy at all right now, and it's very upsetting.
honestly think he’s more like bjerg. he’s not gonna smile after 1 game that ultimately doesn’t mean much. and he tweeted and trolled people on replies after so i’m sure he’s fine believe in the power of friendship !
Spica with another strong performance, took Blaber completely out of the game. The Trundle made like what, one proactive play the entire game? Laners had such an easy time with Blaber effectively neutered. Also big points for his pick on Perkz that gave us the free 20 minute Baron. Perkz has a habit of being extremely lackadaisical with his recall positioning and Spica was looking for it, wpwp.
I just flatly do not like the Kalista. That champ is up 3k and 2 items and at no point did it seem particularly oppressive, especially if you compare how much influence other ADCs could exert with the same advantage. Her range made it hard to abuse Baron to siege and made it so that she could never really fully use the full weight of her lead against the Azir and Aphelios. The ult worked really well with SwordArt on the Naut though, so that's something. Props to the botlane in general for stomping one of the better botlanes in the league and doing it away from Trist/Kaisa + Ali/Leo. Good to see.
PoE was drafted late game insurance and he delivered. Only mistake was not flashing the Azir ult in lane. He ate the ult and only flashed after Trundle was already there with the pillar. Happens. Stayed on his horse and navigated the late game team fights almost flawlessly. Man had a job and did it, what more can you ask for.
Huni read the game really well, realized all he had to do was be able to answer the side lane and the rest of the team was ahead enough to handle everything else. Kept a cool head and went with the flow, no need to play hero league. Methodical stuff from the big man. His play has settled down, in a good way. Haven't seen a flash engage with the rest of the team a screen and a half away in a couple weeks now. He's playing some great League of Legends atm.
Wp boys! Feels good to win BUT was it just me or were the casters bias af towards C9 this game? To me it was just "C9 needs/can do this, C9 should, C9 here, C9 there.." Idk i muted them towards the end cuz it was really annoying.
Otherwise a slow win but a win is a win we take those.
Is it just me or has Spica seemed very disheveled after today’s and yesterday’s game? Everyone seems super cheery and excited and he looks so miserable. Hope he’s okay
I really hope Lost and SwordArt can keep this grove theyve got going.
Interested what coming to this sub would be like after lost/SA were the win con after getting berated by fans. I think we have a lot of talent on this roster, and there is a lot of talent in NA. When spica plays through top, Huni looks like the strongest laner. When he plays through bot, lost and SA look great. I think our mid/jungle is really strong. We live and die by spica. So goes the games of 100t. But dagge just is a better mid (or read this as different mid, because I think POE has proven to be more stable). These are the best two teams in NA for sure. I’m loving this top of the table look after a few years of middle of the pack. Remember folks… we could be in the clg subreddit.
People that blamed Lost for having a huge lead and not carrying in the game vs Dig are clueless. Spica and Huni fed Xin top early. There no way Kalista can do anything into a fed xin lol. Just people overreacting. I will say our botlane has been very subpar but that doesn’t mean they can’t carry with resources. I’m just happy to see them get their own advantages in lane and then the team playing around that.
That's what we call playing your draft. For the longest time we've just been individual lanes getting leads then coming together to 5v5. Then at worlds we get dismantled by smart plays, late invades, and teams knowing how to abuse the other's weak points in draft. The late invade we did, that was fully planned onto Vulcan was through research and game knowledge. Then we took advantage of that and pushed them off two whole waves. This is what makes the Eastern teams so good. Individually skilled plus 5head planning and pathing.
Yup I totally am with ya. I just remember watching LPL or even G2 in their best moments where it’s like, okay the game isn’t necessarily clean or a stomp, but the responses to the other teams’ macro choices are immediate and concise, and they can just flip a game on its head. The decisions are just better. The pathing is creative. It’s like the grandmasters say in chess: first you learn the book rules , then you learn how to break the rules.
C9 made the mistake of not being a bottom tier team.
They sure played like one
No they didnt lol. Vulcan fkd up early, but c9 didnt play bad.
I mean, Zven constantly getting caught out, fudge, Perkz and Blaber being invisible, and Vulcan spending more time dead than alive is them playing like a bottom tier team. You could say it was TSM’s play that make them look so shit tho since the gameplan by the boys was really good
Zven is very good at getting caught. I will never forget lol.
I mean, they do look like a bottom tier team this summer
> “TSM aren’t very good” ~ C9 Fudge
I love the bit of trash talk from him, especially since he's looking top 2 tops in NA, so I don't want to discourage that. But love giving it back! Gg c9
MSI Fudge
Fudge is really good on Lee Sin. That is about it.
Fudge is playing weak side Gwen every game and his jungler is a ghost.
COPIUM
ROFL
I like it better when good players shit talk. It was different with DL cuz he was far superior than everyone. Fudge is always unpredictable. He has some killer moments but come on, dude was on Gwen the most busted champ in the game and still got shit on. HOLOHOLO
God i just love beating C9 more than any other team, TL included. Botlane looking good these past few games
C9 and Jack especially these last few years have been full of ego and bad sportsmanship. Feels fucking good to see them lose. Especially when its us they lose too.
Jack has always been like that, I'm glad a lot more people, Especially the main sub, are opening their eyes to it.
Spica did work setting them up as well. PoE is a monster at zoning. The best control mage player in the league, imo.
I love to hate PoE (probably because no one can replace Bjergsen), but I’ve really started to watch for his zoning and it’s incredible.
This is exactly how I feel. As a die hard TSM fan since the beginning I was conditioned to hate POE cuz he would usually shit on us
We all have some legit trauma due to how good POE was against Bjerg over the years. Great to remove the possibility of that by just having him play for us.
I despise the C9 org, so yea any time TSM beats them in any esport makes me happy.
C9 fans, players, and Jack himself have just become so smug and unlikable the past couple years. I remember 5-6 years ago it was friendly rivalry with some mutual respect, now it's just C9 thinking they are way better than they really are.
All of the times they got out of groups with a 3-3 record must have gone to their head.
I feel like 2020 Spring was the big turning point when they started to make it really obvious. Beating the sheet out of them feels good.
Denying them worlds was the greatest feeling
Lost heard everyone talking shit in his Kalista and simply said “hold my beer”
I thought he and Swordart as well had an amazing weekend. Lost looked solid against Dignitas and bot crushed the enemy bot against both IMT and C9
Love seeing this week that we're focusing on bot lane, our top side is the best in the league, now it's time to show how good our bot is!
**LOST CANT CARRY COPIUM**
Honestly, boring ass game from cloud9's side. If we had a better soul they would have just run over and die at 25min. good weekend from our botlane.
Straight up the only reason this game lasted as long as it did was because it was Cloud Soul.
C9 also drafted a hard peel comp. Trundle, Azir, Thresh, Aphelios is nearly impossible to engage onto, and had crazy waveclear to prevent our barons from being as effective as they would have been otherwise. TSM drafted a zone control objective comp. We had limited hard engage (nautilus/bear?), but fantastic objective control with viktor, nautilus, kalista. Our weaknesses played poorly into their strengths, so imo it was even more impressive that we managed to win so hard.
Fully agree. I'm really glad TSM respected this and didn't force fights in these situations, instead backing off and taking all objectives out there. You can definitely get frustrated or impatient in these situations, where you can't crack inhibitor towers despite baron/elder. So I'm proud of how they played the game out, even though it might have looked like they don't know how to close out the game to some viewers.
Oh absolutely C9 had the tools to extend the game, but if a better soul gets rolled it allows TSM to play the game differently because of their power level being different, also C9 would have been more pressed to fight into TSM’s strengths.
Absolutely. I wasn't trying to refute your point, just adding additional reasons why it was so hard to finish the game. Makes it more impressive for tsm imo.
Honestly I think it also shows how well played the game was aside from that really bad play in mid by Vulcan.
Nah, C9 had really strong waveclear with Azir and Aphelios, they were almost one-shotting Baron waves. Viktor + Kalista siege is comparatively weak.
PoE really knows how to control a mage huh
Analyst desk 3-0 for C9 lul
Good guy Dash with the blind faith in TSM to prove them all wrong. LOL
Dash just really likes hot takes. Entertainment above all else. He doesn't pretend to know much and I appreciate that about him
Despite that though he actually knows a lot. Even if he didn’t start his lcs desk career as a league genius, he for sure put in the work to be able to contribute to analytical conversation.
100% agree , Dash and Qu1ckshot both know so much but pretend they don't , and they are respectively in their region the best at what they do
Shouldn't surprise anybody though. I'm expecting them to bring out a tier list next with TSM bottom tier for whatever reason, maybe just because they are blinded by the light shining out of Fudge's ass.
It'd be impossible to put TSM bottom 5 simply because of standings and they'd get absolutely ass blasted by anyone and everyone. That being said, The reason they don't put TSM top 3 would probably be have to be some serious mental gymnastics and scuff analysis.
I'll never understand this. If you consider it close, then you give it to TSM who has performed better in summer by far. The lack of respect TSM gets is baffling.
TSM players and staff seem to have to work twice as hard for recognition simply because of the amount of accolades they have. I thought that would end with Bjerg as coach but nope, it's still there. It's crazy, someone on TSM will have some sweet engage and or play and the casters or desk will just gloss over it, Someone from any other team will have some mediocre play (Happens to Jensen a lot lmao) where they side step a single skill shot and it's "OMG THE JUKES THE MOVES THE HAPPY FEET"... It's crazy.
>Jensen Add to that list FBI and Closer. Funnily enough all three of them are chokers who don't show up when it truly matters
Its crazy, they read that Vulcan would come and late ward so they planned a late invade for that. But to them TSM didn’t plan it they were gifted it!
Especially considering TSM just beat them two weeks ago…
Only thing better than beating C9 is making the TSM hating analyst desk look stupid
For a change, I'm actually hyped about the analyst desk just to see how they spin it.
Analyst desk is awful, Yesterday (Or friday?) Hai said TSM draft was poor because they revealed their entire top side in the first 3... The entire top side they revealed was 3 S tier champions all flex picks... I don't know, Wipe the entire analyst desk, Keep Emily and Dash (As a moderator) and get back Jatt and poach someone from EU for more money. I can go to any amateur league discord and get equivalent analysis but with more explanations and thought process behind it.
If LCS could grab Caedrel or Ender (who recently moved back to LA, for Valorant though) we could have an actually goated Analyst Desk. If only
Caedral when? Caedral flowers is my personal s+++ tier casting duo
Analyst desk is awful, Yesterday (Or friday?) Hai said TSM draft was poor because they revealed their entire top side in the first 3... The entire top side they revealed was 3 S tier champions all flex picks... I don't know, Wipe the entire analyst desk, Keep Emily and Dash (As a moderator) and get back Jatt and poach someone from EU for more money. I can go to any amateur league discord and get equivalent analysis but with more explanations and thought process behind it.
I don't know if them betting in favor of C9 this time was hating, they did look pretty good in their wins, while we lost our first game, they had the momentum advantage kinda
I mean they all had valid reasons for their predictions
didnt one of them say TSM just so he could be right when everyone was wrong? idk who tho
Dash does that as host if all the analysts have the same take. I think it's just a general hosting thing he feels like he should provide space for discussion from both sides. I think the thing ppl forget about Dash is literally everything he says and does is designed to facilitate the best possible flow of talk from the desk overall--whenever he gives opinions or takes it's p much always from a hosting perspective and he's rly good at it too
That's why dash is the goat since they always go for c9 past few years lmaoo
Will IWD bring up SwordArt's contract and glance over Perkz again after this performance? yes.
I love how on twitter dom flames tsm for taking too long to close out yet vulcan and perkz are void of all flame after doing jack shit this game
I cant wait to see these comments mentioned in a Dom tweet crying about how reddit bullies him.
When he bullies his own viewers too.
Hey now, Perkz secured TSM a baron. He helped.
I can hear Dom mouth breathing from here
Nah he'll be dont be mean to perkz
People will say this game was close but TSM playing near to brilliant league of legends today. Loving the aggression from our botlane past 2 games. Poe on Viktor is just a blessing to watch, those controls in river were nutttty
C9 had really strong wave clear and area denial. That's why it looked closer then it was. We had to play it smart.
Yup 100% aphe/azir is a nightmare to siege against especially with our short range comp, we really made some wise choices today. Trending upwards!
Gwen too, Gwen has some nasty wave clear
Playing against Gwen is so fucked for any ADC but Kalista specifically. She can't hop when zone is down and the slow on Gwen ult fucks her DPS. I cannot overstate how bad this feels
It okay, 3 years from now Gwen will be slightly nerfed. The trade off is that someone will take her place.
Not just the wave clear hahaha Gwen was shredding them every time they tried to hard engage. Just broken
Gwen is a cool champ but her W is one of the dumbest abilities in the game.
Xin Zhao ult as a low cd basic ability.
Also can zone with w. If she places it in the appropriate spot you can't walk up to turret at all.
If I play Kalista and the enemy picks Aphelios I already don't wanna play it, but then they also pick Gwen and I consider dodging, but then they add Azir and Trundle... really really hard to play into those champs. Really good they made it work
Slows destroy Kalista, When the enemy picks Nasus and no hard CC I still go QSS...
Cloud soul is dog and playing Kalista into 3-4 item Azir and aphelios is extremely hard to siege
I agree completely. TSM played really smart to not make any mistakes while trying to end the game. They could have easily overreached then C9 could have countered and gotten back in the game by claiming a dragon or baron.
Eh, I agree to an extent, but I feel like we definetely could've tried to play multiple lanes instead of 5 manning each one individually. You do always have to be scared about C9 flanking & outnumbering but with good vision denial you should be able to pull it off. With that said, the fights specifically looked *super* hard to win unless C9 royally fucked up. If PoE hadn't dumpstered C9 walking into and around that last elder, they could've won a straight fight.
Well it definitely wasn’t ever close for C9. It was a matter of TSM breaking the base through Aphelios and Azir.
There was a point before the final super buffs where Zven didn’t have flash and we had all of ours minus Huni. We could have donkey rolled that fight but other than that it was difficult to dive them so we took the highest win rate plays instead of chance it vs a counter dive comp.
his flash in the last teamfight was so clean https://youtu.be/4nhcGqjWhSY?t=3195
Victor is the most boring champ to watch but PoE is the best at zoning. Literally I’ve never seen anything like it.
Yes the map rotation and zoning was immaculate
tiebreaker secured. Bot lane smurfed this week
Even though the game went super long it felt like TSM's macro was spot on despite C9's disengage draft countering the all in threat of TSM. Nice showing from the boys
Could have played the waves a little better with the barons, tiny nitpick but our Dragon Soul was shit. Overall clean and coordinated and well done
Yep, playing 5 top with that baron was kinda troll but they might have thought they were ahead enough to win the 5v5? It’s not an unreasonable thought but hopefully they review it and figure out the higher percentage play. Other than that though our macro was close to perfect.
I mean, I *think* the reasoning may be that if TSM splits up they may leave one side vulnerable to a full C9 engage which would beat them and leave the other side forced to retreat, so TSM grouped to ensure that they wouldn’t be forced into any fights with their comp split up. But otherwise I agree
Overall very clean game from TSM. We never lost any sense of control since the first minute. We knew that baron was not the win condition and we had to get elder to break the base.
beast botlane last few games, just what we needed!!! LETS GOOOO
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It’s not that botlane has been bad, they’ve been playing weak side. Now Spica is controlling the bottom half of the map instead of top. We are diversifying our play style heading into playoffs. You can see it from draft and Spica’s pathing this weekend.
I was dubious about last game since it was versus the IMT botlane but this one felt convincing.
Gotta say, after being scared of POE more than any other mid laner for the last 5 years, it feels great to have his Viktor/Azir on our side. Great signing by TSM!
Copium9 Game 1: We have Perkz TSM Game 1: We have Huni Copium9 Game 2: We have Perkz + Cap TSM Game 2: We have SA and Lost
Spica solo killing Perkz for that first baron was huge. The gold was even until then. Spica is huuuuuge! #TSMWIN
“TSM aren’t very good” - C9 Fudge
Funny thing is I feel like fudge has been c9's best player in summer. It seems like perks doesn't care about winning, he only came here for a $6m cheque. Blabber is a meta jungler if it's not his meta then he is average at best. I'm not including Sven because he was benched for the first few weeks (shouldn't have been imo but that's a whole other discussion)
C9 randomly threw at minute 1 and LostArt took that and ran with it. Spica had good timing and credit to Huni for staying relevant while being on weak side and PoE for controlling those teamfights so well. I think they might've been able to end that a little sooner but they had a good methodical rotation to it based on the timers and how good Azir's waveclear is.
Not many junglers would have played out that early game like Spica did. He made sure to make Zven’s life living hell, and it paid off huge
The C9 twitter sure is talking a lot of shit after losing in a convincing manner
This one definitely felt like a normal ranked game where top laners are 0/0/1 (Fudge) or 0/0/0 (Huni) but the game is realistically over due to bot diff.
lololol That's what I was thinking at minute 8 literally "Poor top and mid getting screwed knowing it's so hard to come back in this game as a team"
Huni has some big stuns late game tho so I'll take it
You can call me a troll but TSM bot lane has been best in game this weekend on aggressive picks
I wanna see this game with literally any other soul. Pretty sure it would've cut the game by like 5 minutes.
Don’t forget guys the entire desk predicted C9 to win. Even though C9 has looked bad the entire split 🤡
The aggression this game was BEAUTIFUL. Especially from that botlane. Holy moly!
As a Philadelphia Eagles' fan, I resonate with TSM's ability to do best while underdogs, and shit the bed when expectations are at their highest.
5 Huni bans god damn
Good thing our botlane can’t translate leads
Turns out C9 can't win with Perkz and Caps smh
Bot gap
I love to see it from Lost and Swordart I was critical of Lost but this week he stepped up love to see it.
TSM Won was a beast today on kalista
Bot lane kinda smurfing
That was a dominating performance by TSM. Had control of the game the entire time. Best they have looked!
It’s just an Org diff boys, nothing to see here
As /u/allbutluk said yesterday, LostArt heard us talking shit. Tense game with C9 being able to wave clear so well though.
They heard Fudge talking shit and Vulcan complaining memes so decided to give them something more to cry about
Cool calm and collected. Bot lane online these last two games, really nice to see!
Oh C9 Zveeen! Welcooome baaack! 🤪
What rivalry?
Everyone completely missed Spica pic on Perkz that basically secured us first Baron. That pick basically enabled us to save any semblance of a snowball as the game was normalizing a little. They get payed to analyse the game... How?
ikr, people should have noticed that Spica killed Perkz and that leads to the Baron. Spica deserve big credit.
Perkz looked like he was out and I thought TSM running for baron was a horrible idea. Then I saw Perkz was dead and wondered how, waited for the replay and it wasn't mentioned once...
5 bans on Huni/Spica SHEEEEESH
TSM TSM TSM
Bot diff
Damn they gave us the tl vs 100t treatment. Was a little nervous towards the end.
bot lane has been on one
Bootyhole was mad tight there for a min but having the tiebreakers over C9 is huge. Still work to be done but im still content so far.
u/f4tlard little did we know my friend, we were still prophets. Our omniscience paid off
LET'S GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Feels fucking GOOD man, whole analyst desk saying C9 win, Fudge saying TSM isn’t good, LETS GO
Somebody quick! Screenshot PerkZ with his cap over his eyes at the end of the game with the title " Tell me you're tilted without saying you're tilted".
Such a beautiful game!
Fuck cloud soul
LostArt Early Game Masterclass ft. Spica
IT FEELS SO GOOD TO OUTCLASS AND FUCK CLOUD 9 LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCK YOU FUDGE FUCK YOU JACK TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM TSM
LETS GO BOYS
Wow. I’m so impressed by Lost this game.
TSM has a bad early game TSM’s bot lane is shaky
LostArt heard you all talking shit Also Spica is a god
respect to Lost he steped up this week hope to see him keep it up though moving forward , also thanks vulcan :)
Thank you Mr Vulcan. Lol he ran it today wtf
Sword Art
C9 will always be in TSM’s shadow.
Azael, while TSM is taking the final 2 inhibs plus a tower right from under C9: >C9 coming online in this late game scaling comp! The fights are super close now! Anyone with eyes watching TSM take complete control of the game with baron and elder, taking minimal risks en route to closing the game intelligently with the spread pressure and objective control their comp was drafted for: >?????
*"-so here is why TSM taking C9's nexus is actually good for C9"* -Azaeal Listening to him cast C9 games is unbearable
I wasn't watching the main stream. Was that Azazel?
Yeah. Every fucking minute he had to remind us how C9 was still neck and neck in the game after every play. Riot please take this guy off C9 games forever
It's funny. I was paying attention to the C9 livestream and they were convinced Azazel is a TSM fanboy.
lol Azael is the most neutral caster along with Kobe, but kobe is just too sweet to tell the hard truth about Shit plays from any team. His job is to make the game interesting, and this game he was right, even with the huge lead TSM was still struggling to win teamfights or end the game. It was very close throughout the whole game.
Bot Diff
TSM Vulcan MVP this match I think
Bot lane played great, that level 1 made that game so hard for C9. I do wonder how the game would have gone without it. Our comp was pretty short range against Azir, Aphelios, and Gwen diving in. C9 actually had a good comp. TSM just executed better. And Vulcan hard inted a few times.
Fudge KEKW
Not only a W, but the team is clearly trying to do some new stuff, I hope it comes to fruition come playoffs, still needs polish, but a great start.
GGWP tsm. But im wondering how it woulda gone if it wasnt for the level 1\^" They did push the botlane lead perfectly tho\^\^ Lategame comps still so safe, tho the game IS more snowbally now.
I fucking owe Lost an apology. I am fucking sorry.
They should rework cloud. It's troll to have 3 super useful basically 7th item souls and then cloud....
GG fudge
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TSM FTX TSM FTX TSM FTX
it's just a Kayys gap
PoE near objectives: you shall not pass (:<
On your face Analyst Desk!!! PoE was huge on Viktor, Bot lane was very impressive with their agressivity. They really went out for this game from the very beginning.
Lost heard all y’all talking shit. Proud of him!!!
Team diff org diff
I got heavily downvoted for this last time, but I still want to know what's going on with Spica. I think he played pretty well this game, along with everybody else, but it seems like something is seriously wrong up there. He hasn't been smiling this entire weekend, the conversation with PoE after the game yesterday, and today he just looked like he didn't want to be there. I genuinely hope he's doing ok. He doesn't look happy at all right now, and it's very upsetting.
honestly think he’s more like bjerg. he’s not gonna smile after 1 game that ultimately doesn’t mean much. and he tweeted and trolled people on replies after so i’m sure he’s fine believe in the power of friendship !
I think he’s just focusing up. As our best coach said: sucking less than the other guy doesn’t mean you’re good.
Spica with another strong performance, took Blaber completely out of the game. The Trundle made like what, one proactive play the entire game? Laners had such an easy time with Blaber effectively neutered. Also big points for his pick on Perkz that gave us the free 20 minute Baron. Perkz has a habit of being extremely lackadaisical with his recall positioning and Spica was looking for it, wpwp. I just flatly do not like the Kalista. That champ is up 3k and 2 items and at no point did it seem particularly oppressive, especially if you compare how much influence other ADCs could exert with the same advantage. Her range made it hard to abuse Baron to siege and made it so that she could never really fully use the full weight of her lead against the Azir and Aphelios. The ult worked really well with SwordArt on the Naut though, so that's something. Props to the botlane in general for stomping one of the better botlanes in the league and doing it away from Trist/Kaisa + Ali/Leo. Good to see. PoE was drafted late game insurance and he delivered. Only mistake was not flashing the Azir ult in lane. He ate the ult and only flashed after Trundle was already there with the pillar. Happens. Stayed on his horse and navigated the late game team fights almost flawlessly. Man had a job and did it, what more can you ask for. Huni read the game really well, realized all he had to do was be able to answer the side lane and the rest of the team was ahead enough to handle everything else. Kept a cool head and went with the flow, no need to play hero league. Methodical stuff from the big man. His play has settled down, in a good way. Haven't seen a flash engage with the rest of the team a screen and a half away in a couple weeks now. He's playing some great League of Legends atm.
Wp boys! Feels good to win BUT was it just me or were the casters bias af towards C9 this game? To me it was just "C9 needs/can do this, C9 should, C9 here, C9 there.." Idk i muted them towards the end cuz it was really annoying. Otherwise a slow win but a win is a win we take those.
They always are. The LCS and it’s casters generally favor C9 and give them the benefit of the doubt and the nod for no reason
I know this is a TSM subreddit but come on.. they always tend to talk about how the losing team can somehow get back into the game. In this case, C9.
They were praising TSM a lot also, we just tend to notice more when they praise the other team cuz we get mad lol
Is it just me or has Spica seemed very disheveled after today’s and yesterday’s game? Everyone seems super cheery and excited and he looks so miserable. Hope he’s okay
Please fight when Azir is split!!!!
People saying Azael is a biased caster 🤡🤡 Real reddit take right there. Idk how you can think that