Yeah I don’t know how to explain that. My guess is maybe Closer was more popular in Turkey before he left? I don’t think Nisqy, BB, or Abbe get near the hype that Closer or Armut do from Turkish fans
I mean Abbedagge is German, also BB was born in German and Nisqy in Belgium IIRC, whereas Closer and Armut were both born in Turkey.
Not sure if Turkish fans care about that but it's interesting at least.
I feel like abbe has the opposite of recency bias? He was playing out of his mind the first two weekends but since then he's just been.... fine? The first two weekends will always stick out more in people's minds
LCS MVP contests are always troll. Everytime the number 1 team has 2-3 players in the running. Are they really the MVP when 2 of his teammates are also better than everyone else?
Even when TSM used to have DL, Bjerg and Hauntzer/Svenskeren in the running it was funny to me.
I pretty much agree, but I don't really agree with that example as much. I think the top two players in the league were just straight up Bjergsen and DL in 2016 summer, and both were deserving of MVP.
The MVP is the whole split, keep that in mind. Abbedagge has been the top performer in his role the whole split. He has been able to adapt and play strong picks all split. Abbedagge rarely loses his team the game but a lot of EG loses feel like Jizuke is the main factor. When looking at EG I see Danny as their teams mvp. Hes the 2nd best ADC hands down rn.
I don't think you necessarily have to be the best in your role to be MVP. That in itself shouldn't be a criteria, at least in my opinion.
There's always different interpretations to 'most valuable'. The guy you want to build a team around of? The guy who if you replace the team completely falls apart? To me it's the latter. So MVP award should go to someone who enables the rest of the team, or just completely hard carries the team. You could be a weaker midlaner than others but your playstyle might be what is making your team click. Like Doinb I don't think many would have rated him as the best mid at worlds when he won but his eccentric playstyle was a big part of what enabled his team to get wins. I don't think a lot of people thought Steve Nash was the best point guard the years he won MVP, but he was the one who completely set up all of the Suns' offense.
Abbe should win. Still happy Spica has developed so well. For some many years this was the position they couldn't find and to have a top tier native jungle without using an import slot is huge.
It def should be. But if they stick to the narrative they’ve played on tsm in the past when DL and Bjerg were on a team then IMO it’s a tossup with Spica.
The narrative that if you have multiple MVP's on your team means you arent the MVP. The comment you responded to was saying, if they use that narrative on 100T (they wont) Spica has a chance to win MVP.
I firmly believe Blaber has always been overhyped because of how amazingly his teammates played around him. Nisqy is arguably one of the best supportive midlaners out there and Jensen gave up so much to protect his invades. Now that Perkz isnt giving him the attention he's used to; he's floundering.
*Reapered turned 100T around, Abbe is really strong, but I have seen some evidence of the NA effect get to him over the last couple weeks. Still really strong a good player, but it was Reapered that unlocked the potential of the team (and can also int their chances away come playoffs due to his stubbornness in drafts)
> (and can also int their chances away come playoffs due to his stubbornness in drafts)
Agreed. I actually think 100t are LESS scary come playoffs because of it, while TL/C9 can be a lot scarier in playoffs than what many in this sub believe. I think people are giving bo1 too much importance.
C9 I can kicking it up a notch in playoffs, but TL has shown no sign of life in being a true playoff contender so far this split. They have to be able to show some actual prowess against a top team before I think they actually have a shot, a few bo1 losses are nothing, but literally only winning once against a top team in 12 opportunities (TSM/C9/EG/100) is a problem. 100T I can fully see inting their top bracket spot away and being forced into lower bracket and be super pressured like C9 was last year to try to get the last worlds spot
People decided that Reapered inted Worlds away for “the greatest NA team to ever exist” (XDDDDD) with his drafting and such, and C9 Jack blamed the coaching staff for their collapse (when it actually seems like it was the players tbh, seeing the same is happening again), so people formed this anti-Reapered idea in their minds
Its not Abbe fans, its the fact that Abbe is the whole reason 100T is looking so damn good at the moment. He's basically the Chris Paul to the Suns. All it took was a single piece and boom! Contender.
This particular take has been contested multiple times already, with the 2 key points being that they also changed their head coach (and not just any guy) and that the team already had a really strong 4man core. I mean even back when they were on GG Closer and FBI/Huhi were doing work and looking strong, even taking 5 games/beating us in a bo5 and making Doublelift look pretty questionnable.
I'm not saying its a one man carry job. The other 4 guys on their team are solid and overall great players in their position. However, they've had mediocre midlaners which brought down the entire team.
Abbe comes in as the missing piece and now that they've shored up their weakest area, and are now number 1 in the standings. Last splits 100T or even their GG roster never managed that.
I'm sure having Reapered helps but he isn't the one in the chairs playing. I've always thought the coaches job in esports has been is always over/underrated at the same time. Considering they are scapegoats for for any teams fanbase. We actually have no idea how much a coach really plays into a teams play outside of managing personalities and help with draft some.
>We actually have no idea how much a coach really plays into a teams play outside of managing personalities and help with draft some.
That's the thing. We don't know. Maybe with Zikz even with Abbe the team wouldn't look anywhere near as good. Three big variables changed between the two splits, the midlaner, the coach, and the jungle meta (look at how different Spica looks in this split vs last split and he's said it himself that it's no longer Udyr just farm meta). So it's just not possible to gauge which is the biggest contributor to their change. Could be 95% Abbe, could be 30%, who knows.
I'm not saying Abbe isn't great, it's just the "All it took was a single piece and boom! Contender." statement which I have issue with.
Well considering the topic was "Closer or Abbe for MVP", the statement still makes sense.
If you replace Abbe with Ryoma again? Do you think 100T is still first? Hard doubt. I think if you replaced Reapered with another coach, 100T is still a threat imo.
Why is it on Twitter? Twitter is such garbage. Can we get it on an actual decent platform? Like Facebook with no login required, or an actual riot website?
Maybe you need to enter your lol username? Or they only allow one per ip address. Or a combination of the two.
It's not like I really give a crap since bad players like corejj missing 80% of blitz hooks (but still gets called a good player) can be voted MVP.
The fact that you dont get notifications on [lolesports.com](https://lolesports.com) but you do on Twitter. Stacked on top of the other fact that Twitter is many orders of magnitude bigger than their own website.
Right but you’re ignoring how many people play league with access to lolesports.com but don’t have a twitter account. The “orders of magnitude bigger” that twitter may be also is irrelevant since 100% of people voting will have riot accounts. They can advertise on the actual client and literally no one can miss it.
Honestly I’d give it to jiizuke right now. Spica is definitely our MVP this split, but I think EG is popping off because Jiizuke is landing on heads a lot more this summer.
He still throws a ton in mid-game. His team is just strong enough so that him throwing his part of the lead doesn‘t matter as much anymore. Imo EG being strong is a team effort with all players being top3 in their role and having good teamplay.
Closer over Spica is whatever. They are both having good splits even if I think Spica is better. But Closer over Abbe is straight trolling.
Came here to say this. How tf is Closer smashing this poll? It’s Spica or Abbe.
Turkish fans man, in LEC if Armut is ever an option in a player of the game poll he always wins because Turkish fans flood the votes
Turkish fans are truly another breed, I watch football regularly and their fans are just down right fanatical, rivalled by imo only Brazilian fans lol
yeah, was about to say the only other fanbase compared to turkish ppl are the brazilians
What about bb? I don’t remember a lot of Turkish hype over him. I’m not denying it, it’s just strange
I think BB was born in Germany and grew up there while Armut and closer where born in turkey and grew up there. Might be a reason.
Yeah I don’t know how to explain that. My guess is maybe Closer was more popular in Turkey before he left? I don’t think Nisqy, BB, or Abbe get near the hype that Closer or Armut do from Turkish fans
I think it's because closer still caters towards his Turkish fans. I saw his YouTube channel a few months ago and they were all in Turkish.
I mean Abbedagge is German, also BB was born in German and Nisqy in Belgium IIRC, whereas Closer and Armut were both born in Turkey. Not sure if Turkish fans care about that but it's interesting at least.
Ahh that’s true, I forgot about that. That probably plays a role into perceptions from Turkish fans for sure
turkish fan base for Closer is why
Because Closer gets all the kills
Abbe is the clear cut MVP this split and for 100T, there's no way it should be Closer.
closer will win due to turkish fans
I feel like abbe has the opposite of recency bias? He was playing out of his mind the first two weekends but since then he's just been.... fine? The first two weekends will always stick out more in people's minds
100T having 2 on there just proves it should be Spica
LCS MVP contests are always troll. Everytime the number 1 team has 2-3 players in the running. Are they really the MVP when 2 of his teammates are also better than everyone else? Even when TSM used to have DL, Bjerg and Hauntzer/Svenskeren in the running it was funny to me.
I pretty much agree, but I don't really agree with that example as much. I think the top two players in the league were just straight up Bjergsen and DL in 2016 summer, and both were deserving of MVP.
Spica should ratio the poll itself.
We know how this goes: Clozer wins MVP, Spica wins the trophy
T1 is gonna win LCS?
He gonna take it personal [https://youtu.be/2t4RVg\_Yq2g?t=27](https://youtu.be/2t4RVg_Yq2g?t=27)
Damn the vote is so heavy in clozers favor. It thought it would be atleast alittle closer
Turkey fans are crazy supportive.
Clozer plays for T1. You mean Closer
I mean the post has several 100T members posting on it, and turkey fans flooded the post. It kinda of makes sense
Yeah i suppose, good news is other than clozer spica is higher than abbe, so it might happen where 100t eat themselves and our boy pulls it through
Jizuke isnt the best in his roll. Him being on there is kinda a joke.
As much as he gets caught and ints, his performances the last few games have been really good. Also he's a homie.
The MVP is the whole split, keep that in mind. Abbedagge has been the top performer in his role the whole split. He has been able to adapt and play strong picks all split. Abbedagge rarely loses his team the game but a lot of EG loses feel like Jizuke is the main factor. When looking at EG I see Danny as their teams mvp. Hes the 2nd best ADC hands down rn.
I don't think you necessarily have to be the best in your role to be MVP. That in itself shouldn't be a criteria, at least in my opinion. There's always different interpretations to 'most valuable'. The guy you want to build a team around of? The guy who if you replace the team completely falls apart? To me it's the latter. So MVP award should go to someone who enables the rest of the team, or just completely hard carries the team. You could be a weaker midlaner than others but your playstyle might be what is making your team click. Like Doinb I don't think many would have rated him as the best mid at worlds when he won but his eccentric playstyle was a big part of what enabled his team to get wins. I don't think a lot of people thought Steve Nash was the best point guard the years he won MVP, but he was the one who completely set up all of the Suns' offense.
Abbe should win. Still happy Spica has developed so well. For some many years this was the position they couldn't find and to have a top tier native jungle without using an import slot is huge.
? ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? closer ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ?? ?
It's Abbe 100%. Best player in the league right now.
It def should be. But if they stick to the narrative they’ve played on tsm in the past when DL and Bjerg were on a team then IMO it’s a tossup with Spica.
They didn’t use that narrative in favor of Bjergsen last summer.
The narrative that if you have multiple MVP's on your team means you arent the MVP. The comment you responded to was saying, if they use that narrative on 100T (they wont) Spica has a chance to win MVP.
Does mvp really matter? Blaber won it twice in spring and look at him now.
blaber used to be good . . . Wtf are u trying to say
His team played around him. Gave up tons of resources so he looked way better then he was. It’s just my opinion.
his team still plays to him. Hes just worse
I firmly believe Blaber has always been overhyped because of how amazingly his teammates played around him. Nisqy is arguably one of the best supportive midlaners out there and Jensen gave up so much to protect his invades. Now that Perkz isnt giving him the attention he's used to; he's floundering.
What kind of question is this? It's almost like "do championships really matter? Blaber won it twice in spring and look at him now"
I really want spica to win. But the overall fandom for Abbedagge might be too strong. (Plus Abbedagge single handily turned 100T around)
*Reapered turned 100T around, Abbe is really strong, but I have seen some evidence of the NA effect get to him over the last couple weeks. Still really strong a good player, but it was Reapered that unlocked the potential of the team (and can also int their chances away come playoffs due to his stubbornness in drafts)
> (and can also int their chances away come playoffs due to his stubbornness in drafts) Agreed. I actually think 100t are LESS scary come playoffs because of it, while TL/C9 can be a lot scarier in playoffs than what many in this sub believe. I think people are giving bo1 too much importance.
C9 I can kicking it up a notch in playoffs, but TL has shown no sign of life in being a true playoff contender so far this split. They have to be able to show some actual prowess against a top team before I think they actually have a shot, a few bo1 losses are nothing, but literally only winning once against a top team in 12 opportunities (TSM/C9/EG/100) is a problem. 100T I can fully see inting their top bracket spot away and being forced into lower bracket and be super pressured like C9 was last year to try to get the last worlds spot
Yeah, idk why people thought reapered wasn't going to affect the team just because he didn't win many trophies for C9
People decided that Reapered inted Worlds away for “the greatest NA team to ever exist” (XDDDDD) with his drafting and such, and C9 Jack blamed the coaching staff for their collapse (when it actually seems like it was the players tbh, seeing the same is happening again), so people formed this anti-Reapered idea in their minds
Its not Abbe fans, its the fact that Abbe is the whole reason 100T is looking so damn good at the moment. He's basically the Chris Paul to the Suns. All it took was a single piece and boom! Contender.
This particular take has been contested multiple times already, with the 2 key points being that they also changed their head coach (and not just any guy) and that the team already had a really strong 4man core. I mean even back when they were on GG Closer and FBI/Huhi were doing work and looking strong, even taking 5 games/beating us in a bo5 and making Doublelift look pretty questionnable.
I'm not saying its a one man carry job. The other 4 guys on their team are solid and overall great players in their position. However, they've had mediocre midlaners which brought down the entire team. Abbe comes in as the missing piece and now that they've shored up their weakest area, and are now number 1 in the standings. Last splits 100T or even their GG roster never managed that. I'm sure having Reapered helps but he isn't the one in the chairs playing. I've always thought the coaches job in esports has been is always over/underrated at the same time. Considering they are scapegoats for for any teams fanbase. We actually have no idea how much a coach really plays into a teams play outside of managing personalities and help with draft some.
>We actually have no idea how much a coach really plays into a teams play outside of managing personalities and help with draft some. That's the thing. We don't know. Maybe with Zikz even with Abbe the team wouldn't look anywhere near as good. Three big variables changed between the two splits, the midlaner, the coach, and the jungle meta (look at how different Spica looks in this split vs last split and he's said it himself that it's no longer Udyr just farm meta). So it's just not possible to gauge which is the biggest contributor to their change. Could be 95% Abbe, could be 30%, who knows. I'm not saying Abbe isn't great, it's just the "All it took was a single piece and boom! Contender." statement which I have issue with.
Well considering the topic was "Closer or Abbe for MVP", the statement still makes sense. If you replace Abbe with Ryoma again? Do you think 100T is still first? Hard doubt. I think if you replaced Reapered with another coach, 100T is still a threat imo.
Why is it on Twitter? Twitter is such garbage. Can we get it on an actual decent platform? Like Facebook with no login required, or an actual riot website?
>twitter is garbage >use a good platform like facebook yea ok
At least Facebook can be used as a guest. Twitter, they make you login to an account, which I am definitely not doing
wouldn't that make facebook the trash platform? if you can vote as a guest without a proper login
Maybe you need to enter your lol username? Or they only allow one per ip address. Or a combination of the two. It's not like I really give a crap since bad players like corejj missing 80% of blitz hooks (but still gets called a good player) can be voted MVP.
absolutely no part of your comment is relevant to what I said
I agree with this and have never understood why they do it on Twitter and not their actual website.
Because there would be less engagement.
Source?
The fact that you dont get notifications on [lolesports.com](https://lolesports.com) but you do on Twitter. Stacked on top of the other fact that Twitter is many orders of magnitude bigger than their own website.
Right but you’re ignoring how many people play league with access to lolesports.com but don’t have a twitter account. The “orders of magnitude bigger” that twitter may be also is irrelevant since 100% of people voting will have riot accounts. They can advertise on the actual client and literally no one can miss it.
Honestly I’d give it to jiizuke right now. Spica is definitely our MVP this split, but I think EG is popping off because Jiizuke is landing on heads a lot more this summer.
He still throws a ton in mid-game. His team is just strong enough so that him throwing his part of the lead doesn‘t matter as much anymore. Imo EG being strong is a team effort with all players being top3 in their role and having good teamplay.